Roe Was Overturned—So Why Are Babies Still Dying?

I think it's okay to celebrate the I think it's okay to celebrate the overturning of Roe v. Wade, but I viewed overturning of Roe v. Wade, but I viewed overturning of Roe v. Wade, but I viewed that as the beginning of the pro-life that as the beginning of the pro-life that as the beginning of the pro-life movement, not the end of the pro-life movement, not the end of the pro-life movement, not the end of the pro-life movement. Cuz now states are not movement. Cuz now states are not movement. Cuz now states are not hamstrung, right? Their their hands hamstrung, right? Their their hands hamstrung, right? Their their hands aren't tied behind their back. We aren't tied behind their back. We aren't tied behind their back. We effectless Republicans used to be able effectless Republicans used to be able effectless Republicans used to be able to get away with doing nothing by to get away with doing nothing by to get away with doing nothing by saying, "My hands are tied. Roe v. Wade, saying, "My hands are tied. Roe v. Wade, saying, "My hands are tied. Roe v. Wade, federal decision. I have no control." federal decision. I have no control." federal decision. I have no control." Well, now Yeah, now states can do Well, now Yeah, now states can do Well, now Yeah, now states can do whatever they want. So, some states are whatever they want. So, some states are whatever they want. So, some states are moving to codify abortion to point of moving to codify abortion to point of moving to codify abortion to point of birth into their state constitution. And birth into their state constitution. And birth into their state constitution. And we're fighting these amendment fights we're fighting these amendment fights we're fighting these amendment fights around the country, by the way. And around the country, by the way. And around the country, by the way. And other states have shut down the surgical other states have shut down the surgical other states have shut down the surgical abortion mills. For example, uh Idaho, abortion mills. For example, uh Idaho, abortion mills. For example, uh Idaho, Ten nessee, Texas, um Arkansas, um Ten nessee, Texas, um Arkansas, um Ten nessee, Texas, um Arkansas, um uh Alabama, um South Carolina, you go uh Alabama, um South Carolina, you go uh Alabama, um South Carolina, you go down the list. Um uh Oklahoma. Um but, down the list. Um uh Oklahoma. Um but, down the list. Um uh Oklahoma. Um but, the abortion pill is being shipped in the abortion pill is being shipped in the abortion pill is being shipped in against the law, by the way, which is against the law, by the way, which is against the law, by the way, which is kind of crazy. Technically, on paper, kind of crazy. Technically, on paper, kind of crazy. Technically, on paper, it's against the law. And the abortion it's against the law. And the abortion it's against the law. And the abortion pills are RU486, Roussel Uclaf, the pills are RU486, Roussel Uclaf, the pills are RU486, Roussel Uclaf, the French pharmaceutical company that French pharmaceutical company that French pharmaceutical company that created the abortion pill. And like created the abortion pill. And like created the abortion pill. And like coming across the border illegally is coming across the border illegally is coming across the border illegally is against the law, but we're against the law, but we're against the law, but we're compassionate, so we let it happen 40 compassionate, so we let it happen 40 compassionate, so we let it happen 40 million times, and we don't think that's million times, and we don't think that's million times, and we don't think that's a problem, either. a problem, either. a problem, either. >> Right. Well, I mean, I heard someone >> Right. Well, I mean, I heard someone >> Right. Well, I mean, I heard someone once say there's a problem with uh once say there's a problem with uh once say there's a problem with uh with uh like What what was the big with uh like What what was the big with uh like What what was the big problem in America? Oh, college-educated problem in America? Oh, college-educated problem in America? Oh, college-educated white Christian women.

white Christian women. white Christian women. Um so, toxic empathy treated as sort of Um so, toxic empathy treated as sort of Um so, toxic empathy treated as sort of some sort of like federal virtue that we some sort of like federal virtue that we some sort of like federal virtue that we all need to bow down to. all need to bow down to. all need to bow down to. Um well, babies are being murdered, and Um well, babies are being murdered, and Um well, babies are being murdered, and the abortion pill's being shipped into the abortion pill's being shipped into the abortion pill's being shipped into Tennessee here, Pastor Allen, and every Tennessee here, Pastor Allen, and every Tennessee here, Pastor Allen, and every other red state that that has shut down other red state that that has shut down other red state that that has shut down their surgical mills. their surgical mills. their surgical mills. And Guttmacher Institute, Planned And Guttmacher Institute, Planned And Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood's statistical research Parenthood's statistical research Parenthood's statistical research branch, um they're reporting, this was 2 branch, um they're reporting, this was 2 branch, um they're reporting, this was 2 and 1/2 years ago, that 60% of the and 1/2 years ago, that 60% of the and 1/2 years ago, that 60% of the babies being killed are being killed by babies being killed are being killed by babies being killed are being killed by the RU486 abortion pill. the RU486 abortion pill. the RU486 abortion pill. Um well, that was 2 years ago. So, now Um well, that was 2 years ago. So, now Um well, that was 2 years ago. So, now it's 70% or more. So, you're talking it's 70% or more. So, you're talking it's 70% or more. So, you're talking over a million babies are being killed over a million babies are being killed over a million babies are being killed every year in America right now. Land of every year in America right now. Land of every year in America right now. Land of the free and home of the brave. 250th. the free and home of the brave. 250th. the free and home of the brave. 250th. God bless America. Yeah, I'm not sure if God bless America. Yeah, I'm not sure if God bless America. Yeah, I'm not sure if he's going to bless America when the he's going to bless America when the he's going to bless America when the sewers of our country run red with the sewers of our country run red with the sewers of our country run red with the blood of our children, and the pulpits blood of our children, and the pulpits blood of our children, and the pulpits are largely largely silent. are largely largely silent. are largely largely silent. And so, how are we going to end a uncomfortable answer that I have to a uncomfortable answer that I have to say on the program, and this will make say on the program, and this will make say on the program, and this will make people upset but you need to know the people upset but you need to know the people upset but you need to know the truth. Um, Republican lawmakers often at truth. Um, Republican lawmakers often at truth. Um, Republican lawmakers often at the behest of pro-life organizations, the behest of pro-life organizations, the behest of pro-life organizations, very big ones in in America, who and I very big ones in in America, who and I very big ones in in America, who and I have the letters. This is not hearsay. I have the letters. This is not hearsay. I have the letters. This is not hearsay. I don't just say stuff. When I say stuff I don't just say stuff. When I say stuff I don't just say stuff. When I say stuff I have all the receipts and these pro-life have all the receipts and these pro-life have all the receipts and these pro-life organizations will write letters and organizations will write letters and organizations will write letters and make phone calls and they'll pressure make phone calls and they'll pressure make phone calls and they'll pressure Republican lawmakers in red states Republican lawmakers in red states Republican lawmakers in red states to not support bills that would to not support bills that would to not support bills that would criminalize abortion. So So like I'll criminalize abortion. So So like I'll criminalize abortion. So So like I'll just name some uh Susan B. Anthony List, just name some uh Susan B. Anthony List, just name some uh Susan B. Anthony List, Concerned Women for America, National Concerned Women for America, National Concerned Women for America, National Right to Life, Students for Life.

Right to Life, Students for Life. Right to Life, Students for Life. Um, Um, Um, um, um, um, what's the other one? Um, what's the other one? Um, what's the other one? Um, So yeah, anyways, several of these large So yeah, anyways, several of these large So yeah, anyways, several of these large ones and they will actively work against ones and they will actively work against ones and they will actively work against legislators, often godly men, like legislators, often godly men, like legislators, often godly men, like Christian men, who don't have a big Christian men, who don't have a big Christian men, who don't have a big podcast or following cuz they're just podcast or following cuz they're just podcast or following cuz they're just state lawmakers. And these state state lawmakers. And these state state lawmakers. And these state lawmakers, they're just trying to end lawmakers, they're just trying to end lawmakers, they're just trying to end abortion. So four, five months ago in abortion. So four, five months ago in abortion. So four, five months ago in the Tennessee, there was a bill, we had the Tennessee, there was a bill, we had the Tennessee, there was a bill, we had enough votes to get it out of assembly enough votes to get it out of assembly enough votes to get it out of assembly and it would have given preborn babies and it would have given preborn babies and it would have given preborn babies legal protection. Because as it stands, legal protection. Because as it stands, legal protection. Because as it stands, the mother, the aborting mother has the mother, the aborting mother has the mother, the aborting mother has legal immunity. She has like a shield legal immunity. She has like a shield legal immunity. She has like a shield almost and it's written into the almost and it's written into the almost and it's written into the pro-life law that shut down the abortion pro-life law that shut down the abortion pro-life law that shut down the abortion bills in Tennessee. It was written into bills in Tennessee. It was written into bills in Tennessee. It was written into that law where if she takes that that law where if she takes that that law where if she takes that abortion pill, murders her baby, it's it abortion pill, murders her baby, it's it abortion pill, murders her baby, it's it poisons the baby, it starves the baby to poisons the baby, it starves the baby to poisons the baby, it starves the baby to death and the second pill forces her death and the second pill forces her death and the second pill forces her uterus to have contractions and she uterus to have contractions and she uterus to have contractions and she flushes the baby down the toilet and now flushes the baby down the toilet and now flushes the baby down the toilet and now they're finding trace elements of they're finding trace elements of they're finding trace elements of mifepristone, the first abortion pill, mifepristone, the first abortion pill, mifepristone, the first abortion pill, in our drinking water. Hohoho, yeah, in our drinking water. Hohoho, yeah, in our drinking water. Hohoho, yeah, there's consequences to murdering babies there's consequences to murdering babies there's consequences to murdering babies and flushing their body down the sewer and flushing their body down the sewer and flushing their body down the sewer system. Um, so if we want to remove system. Um, so if we want to remove system. Um, so if we want to remove those shield laws so that it's actually those shield laws so that it's actually those shield laws so that it's actually a crime. It's not about hating women. a crime. It's not about hating women. a crime. It's not about hating women. It's not about like wanting to throw It's not about like wanting to throw It's not about like wanting to throw mothers in jail. We just want to make mothers in jail. We just want to make mothers in jail. We just want to make the statement it should be illegal for the statement it should be illegal for the statement it should be illegal for um everyone to kill anyone. It should It um everyone to kill anyone. It should It um everyone to kill anyone. It should It should be a crime. If the boyfriend should be a crime. If the boyfriend should be a crime. If the boyfriend slips the abortion pill in his slips the abortion pill in his slips the abortion pill in his girlfriend's drink without telling her, girlfriend's drink without telling her, girlfriend's drink without telling her, that should be a crime. If the If the that should be a crime. If the If the that should be a crime. If the If the grandma draws her drives her teenage grandma draws her drives her teenage grandma draws her drives her teenage daughter to go get abortion, that should daughter to go get abortion, that should daughter to go get abortion, that should be a crime. If the If the father drives be a crime. If the If the father drives be a crime. If the If the father drives his daughter and forces her, that should his daughter and forces her, that should his daughter and forces her, that should be a crime. If she takes it willfully, be a crime. If she takes it willfully, be a crime. If she takes it willfully, of her own volition, intentionally to of her own volition, intentionally to of her own volition, intentionally to kill her baby, that should be a crime.

kill her baby, that should be a crime. kill her baby, that should be a crime. We just want that baby to be protected We just want that baby to be protected We just want that baby to be protected in law. in law. in law. And so here was a bill earlier in 2026 And so here was a bill earlier in 2026 And so here was a bill earlier in 2026 in Tennessee. It like America at its in Tennessee. It like America at its in Tennessee. It like America at its best. This was a great opportunity to best. This was a great opportunity to best. This was a great opportunity to show America at her best. Like what if show America at her best. Like what if show America at her best. Like what if Tennessee was the first state Pastor Tennessee was the first state Pastor Tennessee was the first state Pastor Allen to end abortion? We can save the Allen to end abortion? We can save the Allen to end abortion? We can save the babies. babies. babies. And then and then Tennessee Right to And then and then Tennessee Right to And then and then Tennessee Right to Life and other pro-life organizations came in and other pro-life organizations came in and started promising to pull and started promising to pull and started promising to pull endorsements endorsements endorsements of Republican pro-life lawmakers in the of Republican pro-life lawmakers in the of Republican pro-life lawmakers in the next session next session next session and promising to replace them with new and promising to replace them with new and promising to replace them with new incumbents incumbents incumbents if they voted for an anti-abortion bill if they voted for an anti-abortion bill if they voted for an anti-abortion bill that would have ended abortion in that would have ended abortion in that would have ended abortion in Tennessee. It wasn't Planned Parenthood Tennessee. It wasn't Planned Parenthood Tennessee. It wasn't Planned Parenthood sending down drag queens to pressure sending down drag queens to pressure sending down drag queens to pressure lawmakers. It was Christian pro-life lawmakers. It was Christian pro-life lawmakers. It was Christian pro-life organizations organizations organizations betraying the unborn and their donors betraying the unborn and their donors betraying the unborn and their donors who think those donors think they're who think those donors think they're who think those donors think they're giving to end abortion giving to end abortion giving to end abortion that led to a the killing of a bill in that led to a the killing of a bill in that led to a the killing of a bill in Tennessee Tennessee Tennessee that could have ended abortion. that could have ended abortion. that could have ended abortion. >> So this is the fight before us. >> So this is the fight before us. >> So this is the fight before us. >> It is. >> It is. >> It is. >> And and if we remember what the church >> And and if we remember what the church >> And and if we remember what the church has always been fighting has always been fighting has always been fighting >> And all the patristics by the way, all >> And all the patristics by the way, all >> And all the patristics by the way, all the church fathers called to treat the church fathers called to treat the church fathers called to treat abortion as a crime. They called to abortion as a crime. They called to abortion as a crime. They called to treat it as murder. So and in the years treat it as murder. So and in the years treat it as murder. So and in the years after Roe v. Wade, people forget this.

after Roe v. Wade, people forget this. after Roe v. Wade, people forget this. So people are now calling me like a wild So people are now calling me like a wild So people are now calling me like a wild abolitionist or something like this. abolitionist or something like this. abolitionist or something like this. Which I mean William Wilberforce, he was Which I mean William Wilberforce, he was Which I mean William Wilberforce, he was a wild abolitionist. So I guess I'm fine a wild abolitionist. So I guess I'm fine a wild abolitionist. So I guess I'm fine with that. But with that. But with that. But >> enthusiastic and believe. >> enthusiastic and believe. >> enthusiastic and believe. >> But there's an abolitionist kind of sect >> But there's an abolitionist kind of sect >> But there's an abolitionist kind of sect in the pro-life space that believes that in the pro-life space that believes that in the pro-life space that believes that immediate action is the So like it has immediate action is the So like it has immediate action is the So like it has to be completely banned and to be completely banned and to be completely banned and criminalized. Anything short of criminalized. Anything short of criminalized. Anything short of immediate action is sin. I'm not in that immediate action is sin. I'm not in that immediate action is sin. I'm not in that camp because like camp because like camp because like in Oregon, I would love to see a bill in Oregon, I would love to see a bill in Oregon, I would love to see a bill passed that would end second and third passed that would end second and third passed that would end second and third trimester abortions. trimester abortions. trimester abortions. And I would support that because there's And I would support that because there's And I would support that because there's no way you're going to get a ban in 2026 no way you're going to get a ban in 2026 no way you're going to get a ban in 2026 in Oregon. So I'll take some righteous in Oregon. So I'll take some righteous in Oregon. So I'll take some righteous like saving of lives. So I'm not a like saving of lives. So I'm not a like saving of lives. So I'm not a full-blown abolitionist in the way that full-blown abolitionist in the way that full-blown abolitionist in the way that that is used in the pro-life space. But that is used in the pro-life space. But that is used in the pro-life space. But in a red state where we have Republican in a red state where we have Republican in a red state where we have Republican super majorities super majorities super majorities yes, we should push for a full yes, we should push for a full yes, we should push for a full criminalization bill that would just end criminalization bill that would just end criminalization bill that would just end abortion. abortion. abortion. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And so So I just released an equal >> And so So I just released an equal >> And so So I just released an equal protection statement recently. It was protection statement recently. It was protection statement recently. It was covered by the New York Times. It was covered by the New York Times. It was covered by the New York Times. It was very very interesting. It was like very very interesting. It was like very very interesting. It was like growing movement on the right calls for growing movement on the right calls for growing movement on the right calls for criminalizing women. criminalizing women. criminalizing women. Um it's really no.

These pro-life works who hate me and These pro-life works who hate me and White Rose Resistance have passed around White Rose Resistance have passed around White Rose Resistance have passed around because they're saying Seth wants to because they're saying Seth wants to because they're saying Seth wants to criminalize women. I don't I don't I criminalize women. I don't I don't I criminalize women. I don't I don't I thought we wanted to criminalize thought we wanted to criminalize thought we wanted to criminalize abortion. I don't know what that means abortion. I don't know what that means abortion. I don't know what that means to criminalize women. Um and and that's to criminalize women. Um and and that's to criminalize women. Um and and that's not nice. When in reality, if you ask not nice. When in reality, if you ask not nice. When in reality, if you ask post-abortive women, post-abortive women, post-abortive women, "When you got an abortion, "When you got an abortion, "When you got an abortion, would you have done it if it was a would you have done it if it was a would you have done it if it was a crime?" crime?" crime?" 100% 100% 100% of the women who have had abortions, who of the women who have had abortions, who of the women who have had abortions, who are healed now and they're fighting for are healed now and they're fighting for are healed now and they're fighting for life that I've asked that question to, life that I've asked that question to, life that I've asked that question to, have said no. There's no way I would have said no. There's no way I would have said no. There's no way I would have ever gotten an abortion. have ever gotten an abortion. have ever gotten an abortion. Beautiful. So, you're saying that the Beautiful. So, you're saying that the Beautiful. So, you're saying that the law can be used We can do this in red states, bro. All We can do this in red states, bro. All we need to do is educate enough we need to do is educate enough we need to do is educate enough Christians to get involved in the Christians to get involved in the Christians to get involved in the political sweat work, and that means political sweat work, and that means political sweat work, and that means phone calling, that means calling your phone calling, that means calling your phone calling, that means calling your state that means calling your state state that means calling your state state that means calling your state legislator, that means showing up at his legislator, that means showing up at his legislator, that means showing up at his office, that means door knocking office, that means door knocking office, that means door knocking to fight for these babies like the gun to fight for these babies like the gun to fight for these babies like the gun lobby fought for guns. Do you know lobby fought for guns. Do you know lobby fought for guns. Do you know constitution You remember this, right? constitution You remember this, right? constitution You remember this, right? Constitutional carry used to be Constitutional carry used to be Constitutional carry used to be radically unpopular.

radically unpopular. radically unpopular. And so, and this is the argument we hear And so, and this is the argument we hear And so, and this is the argument we hear from pro-life establishment groups. They from pro-life establishment groups. They from pro-life establishment groups. They say, "Seth, the culture is not with us. say, "Seth, the culture is not with us. say, "Seth, the culture is not with us. We have to wait to get the culture. We We have to wait to get the culture. We We have to wait to get the culture. We can't push for criminalizing abortion can't push for criminalizing abortion can't push for criminalizing abortion when the culture is not with us." when the culture is not with us." when the culture is not with us." The culture wasn't with constitutional The culture wasn't with constitutional The culture wasn't with constitutional carry when that when they were NRA and carry when that when they were NRA and carry when that when they were NRA and the whole gun lobby is pushing for that. the whole gun lobby is pushing for that. the whole gun lobby is pushing for that. But, political power and cultural But, political power and cultural But, political power and cultural influence doesn't go to the majority influence doesn't go to the majority influence doesn't go to the majority that represents 51%. It goes to the that represents 51%. It goes to the that represents 51%. It goes to the minority of people who are willing to minority of people who are willing to minority of people who are willing to mobilize politically and apply political mobilize politically and apply political mobilize politically and apply political pressure on the lawmakers to get stuff pressure on the lawmakers to get stuff pressure on the lawmakers to get stuff done. And then as constitutional carry done. And then as constitutional carry done. And then as constitutional carry started getting passed by what? A started getting passed by what? A started getting passed by what? A patriotic group of gun-toting Americans patriotic group of gun-toting Americans patriotic group of gun-toting Americans who are willing to do the political who are willing to do the political who are willing to do the political sweat work to get stuff done. sweat work to get stuff done. sweat work to get stuff done. After those laws started getting passed, After those laws started getting passed, After those laws started getting passed, fascinating story, we can tell it fascinating story, we can tell it fascinating story, we can tell it another time, but the short version is another time, but the short version is another time, but the short version is constitutional carry got more popular it constitutional carry got more popular it constitutional carry got more popular it got passed. So, yes, Andrew Breitbart, got passed. So, yes, Andrew Breitbart, got passed. So, yes, Andrew Breitbart, you know, culture politics is downstream you know, culture politics is downstream you know, culture politics is downstream of culture, but culture is also of culture, but culture is also of culture, but culture is also downstream of politics. It's a two-way downstream of politics. It's a two-way downstream of politics. It's a two-way street. Politics looks like and what kind of culture is looks like and what kind of culture is allowed to be built or not be built. And allowed to be built or not be built. And allowed to be built or not be built. And we do that legislatively. When sodomy we do that legislatively. When sodomy we do that legislatively. When sodomy used to be banned, guess what? Gay stuff used to be banned, guess what? Gay stuff used to be banned, guess what? Gay stuff wasn't a part of our culture. Why? Cuz wasn't a part of our culture. Why? Cuz wasn't a part of our culture. Why? Cuz the scaffolding called politics the scaffolding called politics the scaffolding called politics determine what kind of culture was determine what kind of culture was determine what kind of culture was allowed to be built or not. We could allowed to be built or not. We could allowed to be built or not. We could give this with a 15 other examples.

give this with a 15 other examples. give this with a 15 other examples. >> Maybe tomato and tomato, but I think the >> Maybe tomato and tomato, but I think the >> Maybe tomato and tomato, but I think the scaffolding is worldview. scaffolding is worldview. scaffolding is worldview. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, ultimately upstream culture is religion ultimately upstream culture is religion ultimately upstream culture is religion externalized. >> Well, the question we always ask in as a >> Well, the question we always ask in as a part of this podcast is so what can we part of this podcast is so what can we part of this podcast is so what can we do? do? do? >> Yeah, amen. >> Yeah, amen. >> Yeah, amen. >> And as I'm listening to this, it seems >> And as I'm listening to this, it seems >> And as I'm listening to this, it seems to me from my seat, and I I'll limit it to me from my seat, and I I'll limit it to me from my seat, and I I'll limit it to that. to that. to that. See, I don't I don't have the See, I don't I don't have the See, I don't I don't have the imagination that politics will save us. imagination that politics will save us. imagination that politics will save us. I think we have to have a transformation I think we have to have a transformation I think we have to have a transformation of hearts. prayer prayer >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> It's it's taking a biblical worldview >> It's it's taking a biblical worldview >> It's it's taking a biblical worldview and living that out in your home with and living that out in your home with and living that out in your home with your friends, in those expanding spheres your friends, in those expanding spheres your friends, in those expanding spheres of influence that God entrusts to all of of influence that God entrusts to all of of influence that God entrusts to all of us. us. us. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> I believe if we do that, then politics >> I believe if we do that, then politics >> I believe if we do that, then politics reflects that. reflects that. reflects that. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um I think if we want politics to do >> Um I think if we want politics to do >> Um I think if we want politics to do something we're not willing to do something we're not willing to do something we're not willing to do ourselves, ourselves, ourselves, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> we're hypocrites of the first order. >> we're hypocrites of the first order. >> we're hypocrites of the first order. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> We want politicians to be more bold or >> We want politicians to be more bold or >> We want politicians to be more bold or more courageous.

We are hiding from the reality. We are hiding from the reality. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> So, I I think the simple answer is we >> So, I I think the simple answer is we >> So, I I think the simple answer is we become advocates, we become pro-life become advocates, we become pro-life become advocates, we become pro-life voices in our homes, at our kitchen voices in our homes, at our kitchen voices in our homes, at our kitchen tables, at our holiday tables, when we tables, at our holiday tables, when we tables, at our holiday tables, when we gather with our friends groups. gather with our friends groups. gather with our friends groups. >> At school boards? >> At school boards? >> At school boards? >> Where >> Where >> Where >> but if you won't do it in those other >> but if you won't do it in those other >> but if you won't do it in those other places, I don't want you going to the places, I don't want you going to the places, I don't want you going to the school board. school board. school board. >> right. That's right. No, it's great. >> right. That's right. No, it's great. >> right. That's right. No, it's great. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. >> Don't step out beyond what If you're not >> Don't step out beyond what If you're not >> Don't step out beyond what If you're not willing to have it around your table, willing to have it around your table, willing to have it around your table, >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> I don't want to visit you on the school >> I don't want to visit you on the school >> I don't want to visit you on the school board. board. board. >> I do think that there is a a theological >> I do think that there is a a theological >> I do think that there is a a theological problem though in the church, Pastor problem though in the church, Pastor problem though in the church, Pastor Allen, because I Allen, because I Allen, because I I I I >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Just put Truth thing that's ever been >> Just put Truth thing that's ever been >> Just put Truth thing that's ever been said on the podcast today. That I have said on the podcast today. That I have said on the podcast today. That I have met so many miss dinner, miss dinner, but they don't think that what they but they don't think that what they but they don't think that what they believe about those things and how they believe about those things and how they believe about those things and how they disciple their children to live out disciple their children to live out disciple their children to live out God's design for their life and be God's design for their life and be God's design for their life and be courageous.

are cowards in the public square because are cowards in the public square because they're cowards at their dinner table they're cowards at their dinner table they're cowards at their dinner table and they're not discipling their and they're not discipling their and they're not discipling their children and their family to live out children and their family to live out children and their family to live out God's design. But there's also I I cuz I God's design. But there's also I I cuz I God's design. But there's also I I cuz I talked to way too many of these talked to way too many of these talked to way too many of these Christians Christians Christians who catechize their kids, Bible study, who catechize their kids, Bible study, who catechize their kids, Bible study, God's design for your life, be God's design for your life, be God's design for your life, be courageous, uh bring up truth at the courageous, uh bring up truth at the courageous, uh bring up truth at the family dinner table even when gay Uncle family dinner table even when gay Uncle family dinner table even when gay Uncle Bob is over for Super Bowl Sunday, but Bob is over for Super Bowl Sunday, but Bob is over for Super Bowl Sunday, but they don't think that there is a role they don't think that there is a role they don't think that there is a role for the church in the public and for the church in the public and for the church in the public and political sphere to run godly men in political sphere to run godly men in political sphere to run godly men in local elections, to doorknock, to apply local elections, to doorknock, to apply local elections, to doorknock, to apply political pressure about what God has political pressure about what God has political pressure about what God has said about children, about marriage and said about children, about marriage and said about children, about marriage and say that this should be reflected say that this should be reflected say that this should be reflected legislatively to honor God and to legislatively to honor God and to legislatively to honor God and to protect babies from being raised by two protect babies from being raised by two protect babies from being raised by two dads, to protect children in the womb dads, to protect children in the womb dads, to protect children in the womb from abortion instruments. They'll say from abortion instruments. They'll say from abortion instruments. They'll say that's political. I don't We're not that's political. I don't We're not that's political. I don't We're not called into that arena, but it was called into that arena, but it was called into that arena, but it was politics that legalized abortion and led politics that legalized abortion and led politics that legalized abortion and led to the slaughter of 55, 65 million to the slaughter of 55, 65 million to the slaughter of 55, 65 million babies in 53 years. So, I've been I babies in 53 years. So, I've been I babies in 53 years. So, I've been I think that it's what you're saying is think that it's what you're saying is think that it's what you're saying is absolutely true, but I've also just seen absolutely true, but I've also just seen absolutely true, but I've also just seen a mindset with too many millions of a mindset with too many millions of a mindset with too many millions of Christians who would say amen to the Christians who would say amen to the Christians who would say amen to the boldness in the home, but they don't boldness in the home, but they don't boldness in the home, but they don't think that there's a role for the church think that there's a role for the church think that there's a role for the church to fight evil in the public square and to fight evil in the public square and to fight evil in the public square and restore legislative protections to restore legislative protections to restore legislative protections to babies that we've declared open season babies that we've declared open season babies that we've declared open season on. And that's part of the reason I on. And that's part of the reason I on. And that's part of the reason I wrote the wrote wrote the book.

wrote the wrote wrote the book. wrote the wrote wrote the book. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Anyways, I don't know. What do you think >> Anyways, I don't know. What do you think >> Anyways, I don't know. What do you think about about about >> I think the book is good. >> I think the book is good. >> I think the book is good. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I >> I >> I Marriage is not a political issue. Marriage is not a political issue. Marriage is not a political issue. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Human sexuality is not a political >> Human sexuality is not a political >> Human sexuality is not a political issue. Those are biblical issues. The issue. Those are biblical issues. The issue. Those are biblical issues. The definition of a nuclear family is not a definition of a nuclear family is not a definition of a nuclear family is not a political issue. political issue. political issue. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> It's a biblical issue. >> It's a biblical issue. >> It's a biblical issue. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> And we without any question have a >> And we without any question have a >> And we without any question have a responsibility