What America's Founders Actually Believed About God

How can we be laboring in the dark for How can we be laboring in the dark for decades not understanding that this is decades not understanding that this is decades not understanding that this is the founding of the nation? the founding of the nation? the founding of the nation? >> There was a consequence for standing up >> There was a consequence for standing up >> There was a consequence for standing up and it had to do with comfort and and it had to do with comfort and and it had to do with comfort and convenience. It wasn't just principle. convenience. It wasn't just principle. convenience. It wasn't just principle. >> How do I live in a free nation? How do I >> How do I live in a free nation? How do I >> How do I live in a free nation? How do I keep freedom? How do we govern keep freedom? How do we govern keep freedom? How do we govern ourselves? How does that work? Well, you ourselves? How does that work? Well, you ourselves? How does that work? Well, you know, the ultimate instruction book is know, the ultimate instruction book is know, the ultimate instruction book is the Bible. Where did all the ideas of the Bible. Where did all the ideas of the Bible. Where did all the ideas of the revolution come from? The Bible. And the revolution come from? The Bible. And the revolution come from? The Bible. And if you want to know why we're losing our if you want to know why we're losing our if you want to know why we're losing our liberties or you want to know why things liberties or you want to know why things liberties or you want to know why things are crazy, why we're on this kind of are crazy, why we're on this kind of are crazy, why we're on this kind of crazy war with the insane left, it is crazy war with the insane left, it is crazy war with the insane left, it is because we have forgotten this. Let's go because we have forgotten this. Let's go because we have forgotten this. Let's go back and let's become a nation that back and let's become a nation that back and let's become a nation that celebrates this history. Welcome to Culture and Christianity. Welcome to Culture and Christianity. Uh we have a treat today. I have my Uh we have a treat today. I have my Uh we have a treat today. I have my friend Eric Mataxis with us. Uh welcome friend Eric Mataxis with us. Uh welcome friend Eric Mataxis with us. Uh welcome back to Tennessee, Eric.

back to Tennessee, Eric. back to Tennessee, Eric. >> Thrilled to be here. >> Thrilled to be here. >> Thrilled to be here. >> You know, I was I was trying to remember >> You know, I was I was trying to remember >> You know, I was I was trying to remember we met the first time I remember meeting we met the first time I remember meeting we met the first time I remember meeting um you were doing your tour promoting um you were doing your tour promoting um you were doing your tour promoting Bonhaofer. Bonhaofer. Bonhaofer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I um how the world has changed, how >> And I um how the world has changed, how >> And I um how the world has changed, how God has blessed our lives. I mean, so God has blessed our lives. I mean, so God has blessed our lives. I mean, so there's more than water under that there's more than water under that there's more than water under that bridge. bridge. bridge. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But you have a new tome. >> But you have a new tome. >> But you have a new tome. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I love the tiny books you write. This >> I love the tiny books you write. This >> I love the tiny books you write. This one is Revolution. one is Revolution. one is Revolution. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Um, you need to see this part of the >> Um, you need to see this part of the >> Um, you need to see this part of the book, too. book, too. book, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I have read it. It's It's doable. >> I have read it. It's It's doable. >> I have read it. It's It's doable. >> Well, listen. I'm telling you, Alan, I >> Well, listen. I'm telling you, Alan, I >> Well, listen. I'm telling you, Alan, I have to say this upfront because people have to say this upfront because people have to say this upfront because people don't believe it. I cannot tell you how don't believe it. I cannot tell you how don't believe it. I cannot tell you how many people have said to me, "I couldn't many people have said to me, "I couldn't many people have said to me, "I couldn't put it down. It's a page turner. It put it down. It's a page turner. It put it down. It's a page turner. It reads like a novel." that as a writer, reads like a novel." that as a writer, reads like a novel." that as a writer, that's the greatest thing you could that's the greatest thing you could that's the greatest thing you could hear. But I've heard that with it, even hear. But I've heard that with it, even hear. But I've heard that with it, even if you just read the Amazon reviews, I if you just read the Amazon reviews, I if you just read the Amazon reviews, I mean, I'm not soliciting them. So, I I mean, I'm not soliciting them. So, I I mean, I'm not soliciting them. So, I I listen, I I'll say this up front, too. listen, I I'll say this up front, too. listen, I I'll say this up front, too. It's an amazing true story. It's It's an amazing true story. It's It's an amazing true story. It's inspiring. It's encouraging. So, I I inspiring. It's encouraging. So, I I inspiring. It's encouraging. So, I I would encourage people uh to to read it.

would encourage people uh to to read it. would encourage people uh to to read it. And then I will bully them into reading And then I will bully them into reading And then I will bully them into reading it cuz it's our we have to read it. I it cuz it's our we have to read it. I it cuz it's our we have to read it. I mean, we have to know we have to know mean, we have to know we have to know mean, we have to know we have to know our history. I say this emphatically, our history. I say this emphatically, our history. I say this emphatically, but whatever. Yeah. but whatever. Yeah. but whatever. Yeah. >> Can we send a copy to the lady at the >> Can we send a copy to the lady at the >> Can we send a copy to the lady at the the um Smithsonian? the um Smithsonian? the um Smithsonian? >> Oh, clearly having a little trouble >> Oh, clearly having a little trouble >> Oh, clearly having a little trouble interpreting our history. interpreting our history. interpreting our history. >> I said lady I was being very generous to >> I said lady I was being very generous to >> I said lady I was being very generous to that woman. that woman. that woman. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's directing the >> That's directing the >> That's directing the >> Now listen the these people are they're >> Now listen the these people are they're >> Now listen the these people are they're crazy. They have bought into the crazy. They have bought into the crazy. They have bought into the propaganda over decades. Basically, it's propaganda over decades. Basically, it's propaganda over decades. Basically, it's why I wrote the book. I said we need a why I wrote the book. I said we need a why I wrote the book. I said we need a true accounting of the story. We haven't true accounting of the story. We haven't true accounting of the story. We haven't been getting that. In our lifetime, been getting that. In our lifetime, been getting that. In our lifetime, we've gotten a lot of crazy negativity we've gotten a lot of crazy negativity we've gotten a lot of crazy negativity and a lot and the true story is and a lot and the true story is and a lot and the true story is beautiful. It beautiful. It beautiful. It >> is. >> is. >> is. >> So, I just wanted to tell that story >> So, I just wanted to tell that story >> So, I just wanted to tell that story >> and I want to get to the story, but it's >> and I want to get to the story, but it's >> and I want to get to the story, but it's it's more than that. They're not crazy. it's more than that. They're not crazy. it's more than that. They're not crazy. They're intellectually dishonest. They're intellectually dishonest. They're intellectually dishonest. >> They're they're every it's a spectrum. >> They're they're every it's a spectrum. >> They're they're every it's a spectrum. Some of them are are are intellectually Some of them are are are intellectually Some of them are are are intellectually dishonest. You're absolutely right. Some dishonest. You're absolutely right. Some dishonest. You're absolutely right. Some people are just deceived. people are just deceived. people are just deceived. >> Um it's a it's a spectrum. It's just a >> Um it's a it's a spectrum. It's just a >> Um it's a it's a spectrum. It's just a spectrum. It's a spectrum of crazy.

spectrum. It's a spectrum of crazy. spectrum. It's a spectrum of crazy. you're kind. you're kind. you're kind. >> Well, but no, but I mean it really >> Well, but no, but I mean it really >> Well, but no, but I mean it really depends because you talk to some people depends because you talk to some people depends because you talk to some people and you and I have had this conversation and you and I have had this conversation and you and I have had this conversation that some people do not understand that some people do not understand that some people do not understand certain things and so even if it's in certain things and so even if it's in certain things and so even if it's in front of them, they don't they can't front of them, they don't they can't front of them, they don't they can't read it. It's like reading Chinese. When read it. It's like reading Chinese. When read it. It's like reading Chinese. When they see the language of faith doesn't they see the language of faith doesn't they see the language of faith doesn't compute. Now, there are some people that compute. Now, there are some people that compute. Now, there are some people that just hate the language of faith. But just hate the language of faith. But just hate the language of faith. But there are other people that genuinely there are other people that genuinely there are other people that genuinely don't get it. They just don't get it. don't get it. They just don't get it. don't get it. They just don't get it. And so, they kind of ignore it and, you And so, they kind of ignore it and, you And so, they kind of ignore it and, you know, talk about what they understand. know, talk about what they understand. know, talk about what they understand. >> I believe that. But you know, if you >> I believe that. But you know, if you >> I believe that. But you know, if you dabbled in the occult, whether you do it dabbled in the occult, whether you do it dabbled in the occult, whether you do it intentionally or not, I think you get um intentionally or not, I think you get um intentionally or not, I think you get um spiritual impediments that make it spiritual impediments that make it spiritual impediments that make it almost impossible to understand it. almost impossible to understand it. almost impossible to understand it. >> You're, you know, I agree. >> You're, you know, I agree. >> You're, you know, I agree. >> But that's another podcast. We'll do >> But that's another podcast. We'll do >> But that's another podcast. We'll do that another day. So, the revolution, that another day. So, the revolution, that another day. So, the revolution, this is readable. I started out to do this is readable. I started out to do this is readable. I started out to do the cheat like I do when I have lots of the cheat like I do when I have lots of the cheat like I do when I have lots of books to read and I was going to read books to read and I was going to read books to read and I was going to read every fourth chapter. every fourth chapter. every fourth chapter. >> And I got up and I thought, the heck >> And I got up and I thought, the heck >> And I got up and I thought, the heck with this. I want the I want the rest of with this. I want the I want the rest of with this. I want the I want the rest of the story. the story. the story. >> You're missing all the good jokes. All >> You're missing all the good jokes. All >> You're missing all the good jokes. All the good jokes are in the second and the good jokes are in the second and the good jokes are in the second and third chapters. third chapters. third chapters. >> It pulls you in. And it's a narrative >> It pulls you in. And it's a narrative >> It pulls you in. And it's a narrative that pulls you through. And you get to that pulls you through. And you get to that pulls you through. And you get to you get to know the people. you get to know the people. you get to know the people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> By the time you get to the end, there's >> By the time you get to the end, there's >> By the time you get to the end, there's not a lot of history books I read that not a lot of history books I read that not a lot of history books I read that bring tears to my eyes. And I know the bring tears to my eyes. And I know the bring tears to my eyes. And I know the story of Washington's farewell speech story of Washington's farewell speech story of Washington's farewell speech when he pulls his glasses out of his when he pulls his glasses out of his when he pulls his glasses out of his pocket. But when you're telling that pocket. But when you're telling that pocket. But when you're telling that story again, I'm I've got tears running story again, I'm I've got tears running story again, I'm I've got tears running down my face and I'm thinking, "Okay, down my face and I'm thinking, "Okay, down my face and I'm thinking, "Okay, Eric made me cry. I will confess when Eric made me cry. I will confess when Eric made me cry. I will confess when the camera's running." But the camera's running." But the camera's running." But >> well, listen, this is this is all true.

>> well, listen, this is this is all true. >> well, listen, this is this is all true. This is not a novel I wrote. This is all This is not a novel I wrote. This is all This is not a novel I wrote. This is all true. I just found what I think is the true. I just found what I think is the true. I just found what I think is the most exciting, important, humorous, you most exciting, important, humorous, you most exciting, important, humorous, you know, stories and and just put it all know, stories and and just put it all know, stories and and just put it all together. But I think that we're I keep together. But I think that we're I keep together. But I think that we're I keep saying this, we're responsible for this saying this, we're responsible for this saying this, we're responsible for this information. This is not extra credit. I information. This is not extra credit. I information. This is not extra credit. I didn't write this book for history didn't write this book for history didn't write this book for history buffs. I wrote the book for Americans. buffs. I wrote the book for Americans. buffs. I wrote the book for Americans. If you're an American, you need to know If you're an American, you need to know If you're an American, you need to know this stuff. If you if you can get this this stuff. If you if you can get this this stuff. If you if you can get this information better in a better place information better in a better place information better in a better place than this book, go for it. But I I I than this book, go for it. But I I I than this book, go for it. But I I I just said I want to put everything in just said I want to put everything in just said I want to put everything in one book so that everybody in the in the one book so that everybody in the in the one book so that everybody in the in the year of our super centennial 250th can year of our super centennial 250th can year of our super centennial 250th can refamiliarize themselves. And I listen I refamiliarize themselves. And I listen I refamiliarize themselves. And I listen I think it it's a it's an encouragement to think it it's a it's an encouragement to think it it's a it's an encouragement to us at this season which frankly we need. us at this season which frankly we need. us at this season which frankly we need. >> We do. So why the revolution? You >> We do. So why the revolution? You >> We do. So why the revolution? You mentioned that um in your seven men book mentioned that um in your seven men book mentioned that um in your seven men book you had a chapter on Washington. you had a chapter on Washington. you had a chapter on Washington. >> Well it was just a weird I I never in my >> Well it was just a weird I I never in my >> Well it was just a weird I I never in my life ever thought I would write about life ever thought I would write about life ever thought I would write about the American Revolution. never never the American Revolution. never never the American Revolution. never never even crossed my mind once. And then even crossed my mind once. And then even crossed my mind once. And then about a little bit over two years ago, a about a little bit over two years ago, a about a little bit over two years ago, a friend of mine, very close friend, I friend of mine, very close friend, I friend of mine, very close friend, I mentioned him in the acknowledgements mentioned him in the acknowledgements mentioned him in the acknowledgements page, page, page, said to me that he had just read my said to me that he had just read my said to me that he had just read my chapter on George Washington in my book, chapter on George Washington in my book, chapter on George Washington in my book, Seven Men. And he said he was so moved Seven Men. And he said he was so moved Seven Men. And he said he was so moved by it, he says, "Eric, you need to write by it, he says, "Eric, you need to write by it, he says, "Eric, you need to write the whole story of the revolution." Now, the whole story of the revolution." Now, the whole story of the revolution." Now, this friend Seth Ward, when he talks, I this friend Seth Ward, when he talks, I this friend Seth Ward, when he talks, I listen. He's a very, very dear soul listen. He's a very, very dear soul listen. He's a very, very dear soul >> as opposed to like your friend Alan >> as opposed to like your friend Alan >> as opposed to like your friend Alan Jackson. Well, no, cuz I I cuz I have Jackson. Well, no, cuz I I cuz I have Jackson. Well, no, cuz I I cuz I have friends I have friends, millions of

friends I have friends, millions of friends I have friends, millions of friends that they have ideas for books friends that they have ideas for books friends that they have ideas for books or but there's something about Seth, if or but there's something about Seth, if or but there's something about Seth, if you know him. you know him. you know him. >> He doesn't just say like when he said >> He doesn't just say like when he said >> He doesn't just say like when he said it, it kind of hit me like is this the it, it kind of hit me like is this the it, it kind of hit me like is this the Lord speaking, right? It was like one of Lord speaking, right? It was like one of Lord speaking, right? It was like one of those things those things those things >> because normally I just go nah. But this >> because normally I just go nah. But this >> because normally I just go nah. But this this really kind of stopped me as I this really kind of stopped me as I this really kind of stopped me as I thought about it and thought about it thought about it and thought about it thought about it and thought about it and it was one of those things where and it was one of those things where and it was one of those things where the scope of it I thought The revolution the scope of it I thought The revolution the scope of it I thought The revolution first of all what is the revolution? first of all what is the revolution? first of all what is the revolution? What does that even mean? Do you know it What does that even mean? Do you know it What does that even mean? Do you know it it's like who's given me this it's like who's given me this it's like who's given me this assignment? Is this the Lord giving me assignment? Is this the Lord giving me assignment? Is this the Lord giving me an assignment to write the American an assignment to write the American an assignment to write the American revol who I got to think about this what revol who I got to think about this what revol who I got to think about this what what this going to be about? And then I what this going to be about? And then I what this going to be about? And then I realized okay the American Revolution we realized okay the American Revolution we realized okay the American Revolution we think of starts Lexington and conquered think of starts Lexington and conquered think of starts Lexington and conquered you know the shot heard around the world you know the shot heard around the world you know the shot heard around the world bunker hill and the war and it ends you bunker hill and the war and it ends you bunker hill and the war and it ends you know basically in Yorktown 1781. That's know basically in Yorktown 1781. That's know basically in Yorktown 1781. That's the re that's the American Revolution. the re that's the American Revolution. the re that's the American Revolution. But John Adams said there was a But John Adams said there was a But John Adams said there was a revolution before the revolution. That revolution before the revolution. That revolution before the revolution. That is very interesting. That's when you is very interesting. That's when you is very interesting. That's when you start realizing what led up to Lexington start realizing what led up to Lexington start realizing what led up to Lexington and conquered. And I keep saying in and conquered. And I keep saying in and conquered. And I keep saying in 1960, if you went around with a 1960, if you went around with a 1960, if you went around with a microphone, Main Street America, microphone, Main Street America, microphone, Main Street America, everybody knew this stuff. Everybody everybody knew this stuff. Everybody everybody knew this stuff. Everybody knew everything that's in that book.

knew everything that's in that book. knew everything that's in that book. They knew it all. They knew the names, They knew it all. They knew the names, They knew it all. They knew the names, whatever. We have drifted away. And if whatever. We have drifted away. And if whatever. We have drifted away. And if you want to know why we're losing our you want to know why we're losing our you want to know why we're losing our liberties or you want to know why things liberties or you want to know why things liberties or you want to know why things are crazy, why we're on this kind of are crazy, why we're on this kind of are crazy, why we're on this kind of crazy war with the insane left or why crazy war with the insane left or why crazy war with the insane left or why the insane left even exists in America, the insane left even exists in America, the insane left even exists in America, it is because we have forgotten this. it is because we have forgotten this. it is because we have forgotten this. And so I said, I need to put it in a And so I said, I need to put it in a And so I said, I need to put it in a book. I need to make it readable. I need book. I need to make it readable. I need book. I need to make it readable. I need to get it out there. I need to get to get it out there. I need to get to get it out there. I need to get people excited about we need to know our people excited about we need to know our people excited about we need to know our history. And I and I've said to people, history. And I and I've said to people, history. And I and I've said to people, you know, the I I am as usual half you know, the I I am as usual half you know, the I I am as usual half joking. I said, "This is like mandatory joking. I said, "This is like mandatory joking. I said, "This is like mandatory beach reading. This is like if you're an beach reading. This is like if you're an beach reading. This is like if you're an American, you you you got to like suck American, you you you got to like suck American, you you you got to like suck it up and read this. You got you need to it up and read this. You got you need to it up and read this. You got you need to know this. You will be blessed." I know this. You will be blessed." I know this. You will be blessed." I believe that. believe that. believe that. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> But it's not I think it's too late for >> But it's not I think it's too late for >> But it's not I think it's too late for us to to say, "Well, it doesn't matter us to to say, "Well, it doesn't matter us to to say, "Well, it doesn't matter what we need to know this. We cannot get what we need to know this. We cannot get what we need to know this. We cannot get through what we're going through now through what we're going through now through what we're going through now unless we understand that that because unless we understand that that because unless we understand that that because that's our DNA. That's who we are. And that's our DNA. That's who we are. And that's our DNA. That's who we are. And to get through what we're going through to get through what we're going through to get through what we're going through now, we need to be armed with this now, we need to be armed with this now, we need to be armed with this history and this uh encouragement, you history and this uh encouragement, you history and this uh encouragement, you know, of the truth.

know, of the truth. know, of the truth. >> Well, it reminded me in a way, you know, >> Well, it reminded me in a way, you know, >> Well, it reminded me in a way, you know, the book of Acts doesn't have a the book of Acts doesn't have a the book of Acts doesn't have a conclusion. And I've always said it's conclusion. And I've always said it's conclusion. And I've always said it's because we're the 21st century edition. because we're the 21st century edition. because we're the 21st century edition. The story is still unfolding. The story is still unfolding. The story is still unfolding. >> And one of the things I took away from >> And one of the things I took away from >> And one of the things I took away from this is this story is still unfolding this is this story is still unfolding this is this story is still unfolding >> as it's supposed to. >> as it's supposed to. >> as it's supposed to. >> Don't read this like we're reading a >> Don't read this like we're reading a >> Don't read this like we're reading a history lesson. read this to inform our history lesson. read this to inform our history lesson. read this to inform our decisions, not to go take up arms and decisions, not to go take up arms and decisions, not to go take up arms and shoot our adversaries. shoot our adversaries. shoot our adversaries. >> Well, it's kind of like this this book >> Well, it's kind of like this this book >> Well, it's kind of like this this book to me is kind of like the instruction to me is kind of like the instruction to me is kind of like the instruction booklet for, you know, h how do I live booklet for, you know, h how do I live booklet for, you know, h how do I live in a free nation? How do I keep in a free nation? How do I keep in a free nation? How do I keep >> freedom? How do we how do we govern >> freedom? How do we how do we govern >> freedom? How do we how do we govern ourselves? How does that work? Well, ourselves? How does that work? Well, ourselves? How does that work? Well, where's the instruction? You know, the where's the instruction? You know, the where's the instruction? You know, the ultimate instruction book is the Bible. ultimate instruction book is the Bible. ultimate instruction book is the Bible. Where did all the ideas of the Where did all the ideas of the Where did all the ideas of the revolution come from? the Bible, which revolution come from? the Bible, which revolution come from? the Bible, which is the main takeaway of my research on is the main takeaway of my research on is the main takeaway of my research on this thing is that th this was all this thing is that th this was all this thing is that th this was all Christians doing Christian stuff. This Christians doing Christian stuff. This Christians doing Christian stuff. This is not this is not compatible with is not this is not compatible with is not this is not compatible with Christianity. This is Christianity Christianity. This is Christianity Christianity. This is Christianity poured into political life and into the poured into political life and into the poured into political life and into the form of a new uh nation. That that's form of a new uh nation. That that's form of a new uh nation. That that's what this is. And every American needs what this is. And every American needs what this is. And every American needs to know that. Every Christian certainly to know that. Every Christian certainly to know that. Every Christian certainly needs to know that because it's true.

needs to know that because it's true. needs to know that because it's true. But most of us didn't really know that. But most of us didn't really know that. But most of us didn't really know that. I didn't really know that. People People I didn't really know that. People People I didn't really know that. People People always think like, "Oh, Eric, you must always think like, "Oh, Eric, you must always think like, "Oh, Eric, you must know all this stuff. Oh, you're smart. know all this stuff. Oh, you're smart. know all this stuff. Oh, you're smart. You went to Yale. You know the guy." I You went to Yale. You know the guy." I You went to Yale. You know the guy." I know nothing. I know this much. I just know nothing. I know this much. I just know nothing. I know this much. I just know enough that I'm going to do the know enough that I'm going to do the know enough that I'm going to do the research. And then when I do the research. And then when I do the research. And then when I do the research and I see this stuff, I'm research and I see this stuff, I'm research and I see this stuff, I'm embarrassed that I didn't know it. And embarrassed that I didn't know it. And embarrassed that I didn't know it. And then I feel this zeal. I got to tell the then I feel this zeal. I got to tell the then I feel this zeal. I got to tell the world this is like we're we're late to world this is like we're we're late to world this is like we're we're late to the party. We got to we got to get on the party. We got to we got to get on the party. We got to we got to get on this, you know, we got to get on the this, you know, we got to get on the this, you know, we got to get on the stick. You know, this podcast is made possible You know, this podcast is made possible because of sponsors. And one of our because of sponsors. And one of our because of sponsors. And one of our sponsors is Preserve Gold, and I sponsors is Preserve Gold, and I sponsors is Preserve Gold, and I appreciate their partnership with us, appreciate their partnership with us, appreciate their partnership with us, and I pray it's a blessing to you. You and I pray it's a blessing to you. You and I pray it's a blessing to you. You know, one of the things that I hear most know, one of the things that I hear most know, one of the things that I hear most often right now is this, that people are often right now is this, that people are often right now is this, that people are doing their best to plan for the future, doing their best to plan for the future, doing their best to plan for the future, but they're not sure what to trust but they're not sure what to trust but they're not sure what to trust anymore. You know, the headlines, they anymore. You know, the headlines, they anymore. You know, the headlines, they change every day. In the economy, it change every day. In the economy, it change every day. In the economy, it feels pretty unpredictable. And that feels pretty unpredictable. And that feels pretty unpredictable. And that uncertainty, it's unsettling to all of uncertainty, it's unsettling to all of uncertainty, it's unsettling to all of us. But as people of faith, we're not us. But as people of faith, we're not us. But as people of faith, we're not called to live in fear. We're called to called to live in fear. We're called to called to live in fear. We're called to live with wisdom, with discernment, and live with wisdom, with discernment, and live with wisdom, with discernment, and with peace. Well, part of that is simply with peace. Well, part of that is simply with peace. Well, part of that is simply taking practical steps to protect what taking practical steps to protect what taking practical steps to protect what you've worked so hard to build and you've worked so hard to build and you've worked so hard to build and establish for yourself and your family.

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I wasn't thinking of a guilded >> You know, I wasn't thinking of a guilded >> You know, I wasn't thinking of a guilded age before the guilded age. age before the guilded age. age before the guilded age. >> Yeah. And you highlight that so well and >> Yeah. And you highlight that so well and >> Yeah. And you highlight that so well and I think it's a relevant story for us I think it's a relevant story for us I think it's a relevant story for us because there was a consequence for because there was a consequence for because there was a consequence for standing up standing up standing up >> and it had to do with comfort and >> and it had to do with comfort and >> and it had to do with comfort and convenience. It wasn't just principle. convenience. It wasn't just principle. convenience. It wasn't just principle. >> Well, let's put it this way. The reason >> Well, let's put it this way. The reason >> Well, let's put it this way. The reason that and again I'm not going to pretend that and again I'm not going to pretend that and again I'm not going to pretend like I knew this beforehand. This is as like I knew this beforehand. This is as like I knew this beforehand. This is as I'm doing the research. I knew very I'm doing the research. I knew very I'm doing the research. I knew very little. I just knew my assignment is I little. I just knew my assignment is I little. I just knew my assignment is I want to tell the whole story. So want to tell the whole story. So want to tell the whole story. So starting with the end of the French and starting with the end of the French and starting with the end of the French and Indian War kind of starts off the Indian War kind of starts off the Indian War kind of starts off the conflict between Great Britain and the conflict between Great Britain and the conflict between Great Britain and the colonists which leads to all the crazy colonists which leads to all the crazy colonists which leads to all the crazy stuff the Stamp Act and the Boston stuff the Stamp Act and the Boston stuff the Stamp Act and the Boston Massacre and the Boston Tea Party and Massacre and the Boston Tea Party and Massacre and the Boston Tea Party and Lex and Chicago all that stuff and then Lex and Chicago all that stuff and then Lex and Chicago all that stuff and then the war. I just want to tell the story the war. I just want to tell the story the war. I just want to tell the story but in the course of doing the research. but in the course of doing the research. but in the course of doing the research. I mean I kid you not. I was not I mean I kid you not. I was not I mean I kid you not. I was not expecting any of this. I saw expecting any of this. I saw expecting any of this. I saw what I had never seen and never really what I had never seen and never really what I had never seen and never really heard ever heard ever heard ever >> that this was a culture war that the >> that this was a culture war that the >> that this was a culture war that the British elites were like the Hollywood British elites were like the Hollywood British elites were like the Hollywood elites. If you think of the Hollywood elites. If you think of the Hollywood elites. If you think of the Hollywood elites or the elites of the New York elites or the elites of the New York elites or the elites of the New York Times running Times running Times running governing a a town of homeschoolers in governing a a town of homeschoolers in governing a a town of homeschoolers in Oklahoma, the cultural divide was was Oklahoma, the cultural divide was was Oklahoma, the cultural divide was was infinite. They spoke the same language.

infinite. They spoke the same language. infinite. They spoke the same language. They they're in the same country, but They they're in the same country, but They they're in the same country, but they could not be more opposite. And they could not be more opposite. And they could not be more opposite. And everywhere I looked, I saw more and more everywhere I looked, I saw more and more everywhere I looked, I saw more and more evidence of this. And I thought, how evidence of this. And I thought, how evidence of this. And I thought, how come I've not heard this before? The come I've not heard this before? The come I've not heard this before? The British were decadent. The British British were decadent. The British British were decadent. The British elites were decadent, cynical, corrupt, elites were decadent, cynical, corrupt, elites were decadent, cynical, corrupt, sneering at the Christian faith of the sneering at the Christian faith of the sneering at the Christian faith of the American colonists. Not just not sharing American colonists. Not just not sharing American colonists. Not just not sharing the faith, sneering at it, mocking it. the faith, sneering at it, mocking it. the faith, sneering at it, mocking it. That's kind of where we are today. You That's kind of where we are today. You That's kind of where we are today. You have, you know, you have the you have have, you know, you have the you have have, you know, you have the you have the elites, the cultural elites. They the elites, the cultural elites. They the elites, the cultural elites. They don't speak the language that we do. And don't speak the language that we do. And don't speak the language that we do. And they think we're the bad guys. They they think we're the bad guys. They they think we're the bad guys. They think, "Oh, you're just a hypocrite. think, "Oh, you're just a hypocrite. think, "Oh, you're just a hypocrite. You're just nothing but a religious You're just nothing but a religious You're just nothing but a religious hypocrite cuz nobody really believes hypocrite cuz nobody really believes hypocrite cuz nobody really believes that. We all know nobody really believes that. We all know nobody really believes that. We all know nobody really believes that." Well, yes, we do really believe that." Well, yes, we do really believe that." Well, yes, we do really believe that. And the colonists really believed that. And the colonists really believed that. And the colonists really believed it. The colonists, when I say the it. The colonists, when I say the it. The colonists, when I say the colonists, most of the folks in the 13 colonists, most of the folks in the 13 colonists, most of the folks in the 13 colonies were colonies were colonies were steeped in the Bible. The whole culture steeped in the Bible. The whole culture steeped in the Bible. The whole culture was Christian. Again, how come most was Christian. Again, how come most was Christian. Again, how come most people don't know that? Cuz that's true. people don't know that? Cuz that's true. people don't know that? Cuz that's true. I'm not I'm not This is not a Christian I'm not I'm not This is not a Christian I'm not I'm not This is not a Christian version version version >> of this history. This is the history.

>> of this history. This is the history. >> of this history. This is the history. >> Well, in fact, I I I thought you were um >> Well, in fact, I I I thought you were um >> Well, in fact, I I I thought you were um You didn't go out of your way, You didn't go out of your way, You didn't go out of your way, >> but it was a very fair mind. You told >> but it was a very fair mind. You told >> but it was a very fair mind. You told the story in a way that you're not the story in a way that you're not the story in a way that you're not always selling Christianity. No, always selling Christianity. No, always selling Christianity. No, >> no, because I I want everybody to read >> no, because I I want everybody to read >> no, because I I want everybody to read this book. This is not a book for this book. This is not a book for this book. This is not a book for Christians. This is a book for anybody Christians. This is a book for anybody Christians. This is a book for anybody who's an American. And it's like I want who's an American. And it's like I want who's an American. And it's like I want people to get This is the true story. people to get This is the true story. people to get This is the true story. This is not my version of the story. This is not my version of the story. This is not my version of the story. Believe me, I I I'm not, you know, I I Believe me, I I I'm not, you know, I I Believe me, I I I'm not, you know, I I said a as I did the research, it became said a as I did the research, it became said a as I did the research, it became clear and clear and clear to me that clear and clear and clear to me that clear and clear and clear to me that even I had I just had not heard this and even I had I just had not heard this and even I had I just had not heard this and and I thought, how can we be laboring in and I thought, how can we be laboring in and I thought, how can we be laboring in the dark for decades, not understanding the dark for decades, not understanding the dark for decades, not understanding that this is the founding of the nation? that this is the founding of the nation? that this is the founding of the nation? This was this was profound Christians. This was this was profound Christians. This was this was profound Christians. You know, the lie they were deists the You know, the lie they were deists the You know, the lie they were deists the lie that oh, just a few of them were lie that oh, just a few of them were lie that oh, just a few of them were Christian. That is such a lie. But Christian. That is such a lie. But Christian. That is such a lie. But again, it's only in doing the research again, it's only in doing the research again, it's only in doing the research that I realized the magnitude of this that I realized the magnitude of this that I realized the magnitude of this lie that's been sold to us. I mean, if lie that's been sold to us. I mean, if lie that's been sold to us. I mean, if you turned on, God forbid, you watch uh, you turned on, God forbid, you watch uh, you turned on, God forbid, you watch uh, you know, Ken Burns's PBS series 12 you know, Ken Burns's PBS series 12 you know, Ken Burns's PBS series 12 Hours on the Revolution, Hours on the Revolution, Hours on the Revolution, you would think that faith had nothing you would think that faith had nothing you would think that faith had nothing to do with it. And I'm here to tell you to do with it. And I'm here to tell you to do with it. And I'm here to tell you faith had everything, not a not a big faith had everything, not a not a big faith had everything, not a not a big part, everything came out of the part, everything came out of the part, everything came out of the scripture and Christian faith. That's scripture and Christian faith. That's scripture and Christian faith. That's not debatable.

not debatable. not debatable. uh once you once you do the research and uh once you once you do the research and uh once you once you do the research and then you think but but people aren't then you think but but people aren't then you think but but people aren't talking about it people act like you talking about it people act like you talking about it people act like you could get liberty in America without the could get liberty in America without the could get liberty in America without the Christian faith. None of the founders Christian faith. None of the founders Christian faith. None of the founders believe that. Now, I mean, there's not believe that. Now, I mean, there's not believe that. Now, I mean, there's not one, including Jefferson and Franklin. one, including Jefferson and Franklin. one, including Jefferson and Franklin. Why don't we all know that? Because Why don't we all know that? Because Why don't we all know that? Because that's that's true, you know. So, I put that's that's true, you know. So, I put that's that's true, you know. So, I put it in the book, but but the book is not it in the book, but but the book is not it in the book, but but the book is not about that. The book is just the about that. The book is just the about that. The book is just the stories. But when you when you read the stories. But when you when you read the stories. But when you when you read the stories, you just say, "Well, there it stories, you just say, "Well, there it stories, you just say, "Well, there it is, you know. I'm I'm not I don't need is, you know. I'm I'm not I don't need is, you know. I'm I'm not I don't need to read a book about that. I just need to read a book about that. I just need to read a book about that. I just need to read the facts and it kind of comes to read the facts and it kind of comes to read the facts and it kind of comes out." So, yeah. I and you highlighted out." So, yeah. I and you highlighted out." So, yeah. I and you highlighted beyond the history which I want to come beyond the history which I want to come beyond the history which I want to come back to some of the characters but that back to some of the characters but that back to some of the characters but that even the birth of this nation coming even the birth of this nation coming even the birth of this nation coming forth on this continent prior to the forth on this continent prior to the forth on this continent prior to the reformation reformation reformation >> was was from this vantage point you can >> was was from this vantage point you can >> was was from this vantage point you can see the hand of God see the hand of God see the hand of God >> well you see that's the thing is we >> well you see that's the thing is we >> well you see that's the thing is we could see it they could see it but could see it they could see it but could see it they could see it but modern historians never talk about it modern historians never talk about it modern historians never talk about it they act like that's just crazy talk they act like that's just crazy talk they act like that's just crazy talk >> everybody involved at the time including >> everybody involved at the time including >> everybody involved at the time including Thomas Payne who was not some big Thomas Payne who was not some big Thomas Payne who was not some big Christian. They all saw the hand of God Christian. They all saw the hand of God Christian. They all saw the hand of God in the reformation.

in the reformation. in the reformation. They saw the hand of God in the They saw the hand of God in the They saw the hand of God in the discovery by Europeans of this new discovery by Europeans of this new discovery by Europeans of this new continent where dissident where people continent where dissident where people continent where dissident where people who suddenly discover the God of the who suddenly discover the God of the who suddenly discover the God of the Bible. They want to read the Bible. They Bible. They want to read the Bible. They Bible. They want to read the Bible. They want the Bible translated their own want the Bible translated their own want the Bible translated their own language. They're being persecuted in language. They're being persecuted in language. They're being persecuted in their countries in Europe. Now there's a their countries in Europe. Now there's a their countries in Europe. Now there's a place they can go. Where would they go place they can go. Where would they go place they can go. Where would they go before? before? before? >> It's like let the nut jobs go there. let >> It's like let the nut jobs go there. let >> It's like let the nut jobs go there. let the nut jobs go across the ocean and the nut jobs go across the ocean and the nut jobs go across the ocean and they can form their little Christian they can form their little Christian they can form their little Christian communities and see how they do. Well, communities and see how they do. Well, communities and see how they do. Well, that's what happened. And everybody that's what happened. And everybody that's what happened. And everybody involved saw it as providential history involved saw it as providential history involved saw it as providential history that this is God has done this. He's that this is God has done this. He's that this is God has done this. He's preparing us for a new era. And once you preparing us for a new era. And once you preparing us for a new era. And once you get to the 1760s and 1770s, get to the 1760s and 1770s, get to the 1760s and 1770s, the men of the revolution, they start the men of the revolution, they start the men of the revolution, they start putting it together like, you know what, putting it together like, you know what, putting it together like, you know what, we may have an opportunity now for these we may have an opportunity now for these we may have an opportunity now for these 13 colonies because we're being 13 colonies because we're being 13 colonies because we're being persecuted together by Great Britain persecuted together by Great Britain persecuted together by Great Britain that we could unify and create a nation that we could unify and create a nation that we could unify and create a nation based on this. Not just a colony in based on this. Not just a colony in based on this. Not just a colony in Massachusetts or a colony, an entire Massachusetts or a colony, an entire Massachusetts or a colony, an entire nation based on these ideas.

nation based on these ideas. nation based on these ideas. They they were kind of aware that this They they were kind of aware that this They they were kind of aware that this looks like God's plan. Is God opening a looks like God's plan. Is God opening a looks like God's plan. Is God opening a door? And they all believed that this is door? And they all believed that this is door? And they all believed that this is a a rep a reprisal of um the Israelites a a rep a reprisal of um the Israelites a a rep a reprisal of um the Israelites leaving Pharaoh and bondage in Egypt leaving Pharaoh and bondage in Egypt leaving Pharaoh and bondage in Egypt coming out into the wilderness to look coming out into the wilderness to look coming out into the wilderness to look directly to God to govern themselves to directly to God to govern themselves to directly to God to govern themselves to make a covenant with God. They that's make a covenant with God. They that's make a covenant with God. They that's how they all saw it. And again, even if how they all saw it. And again, even if how they all saw it. And again, even if you don't see it that way, you need to you don't see it that way, you need to you don't see it that way, you need to know that's how they saw it. Right. So know that's how they saw it. Right. So know that's how they saw it. Right. So if you have a secular historian today if you have a secular historian today if you have a secular historian today says, "Well, I don't believe that." You says, "Well, I don't believe that." You says, "Well, I don't believe that." You don't have to believe it, but you need don't have to believe it, but you need don't have to believe it, but you need to be aware that that's how they read to be aware that that's how they read to be aware that that's how they read read the tea leaves, so to speak. Yeah. read the tea leaves, so to speak. Yeah. read the tea leaves, so to speak. Yeah. >> And you do you do a nice job. It's not >> And you do you do a nice job. It's not >> And you do you do a nice job. It's not like everybody involved were church like everybody involved were church like everybody involved were church mice. You know, the Sons of Liberty were mice. You know, the Sons of Liberty were mice. You know, the Sons of Liberty were >> Oh, on the edge of scoundrel. >> Oh, on the edge of scoundrel. >> Oh, on the edge of scoundrel. >> I was going to say you get some >> I was going to say you get some >> I was going to say you get some >> and they use the mobs. I mean, and which >> and they use the mobs. I mean, and which >> and they use the mobs. I mean, and which you're very candid about. So, you're very candid about. So, you're very candid about. So, >> but they still had a sense of faith and >> but they still had a sense of faith and >> but they still had a sense of faith and destiny and all of that woven into their destiny and all of that woven into their destiny and all of that woven into their carnal.

carnal. carnal. >> Well, I mean, again, you like like >> Well, I mean, again, you like like >> Well, I mean, again, you like like anything, there's going to be a anything, there's going to be a anything, there's going to be a spectrum, spectrum, spectrum, >> but the leaders the leaders um they did >> but the leaders the leaders um they did >> but the leaders the leaders um they did get this stuff right that the leader get this stuff right that the leader get this stuff right that the leader they were the ones that uh I mean, they were the ones that uh I mean, they were the ones that uh I mean, especially John Adams, but but they were especially John Adams, but but they were especially John Adams, but but they were aware of the fact that we we need to aware of the fact that we we need to aware of the fact that we we need to play this right. This is not about play this right. This is not about play this right. This is not about winning. This is about are is this God's winning. This is about are is this God's winning. This is about are is this God's idea? If this is God's idea, we better idea? If this is God's idea, we better idea? If this is God's idea, we better behave correctly. So we can't have mob behave correctly. So we can't have mob behave correctly. So we can't have mob violence. We can't have, you know, so violence. We can't have, you know, so violence. We can't have, you know, so that you get some of that but that does that you get some of that but that does that you get some of that but that does not continue. That's, you know, they not continue. That's, you know, they not continue. That's, you know, they they're aware of the fact that we could they're aware of the fact that we could they're aware of the fact that we could that's not the path forward. This is not that's not the path forward. This is not that's not the path forward. This is not the French Revolution, the French Revolution, the French Revolution, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> This is something else. >> This is something else. >> This is something else. >> Yeah. It very much stands in contrast to >> Yeah. It very much stands in contrast to >> Yeah. It very much stands in contrast to that. I al you um Well, you tell me you that. I al you um Well, you tell me you that. I al you um Well, you tell me you did the research. You have favorites. did the research. You have favorites. did the research. You have favorites. Did you come out with some surprises? Did you come out with some surprises? Did you come out with some surprises? Somebody you really enjoyed as you did Somebody you really enjoyed as you did Somebody you really enjoyed as you did the work? the work? the work? >> Yes. The number one is probably John >> Yes. The number one is probably John >> Yes. The number one is probably John Adams. John Adams should be a thousand Adams. John Adams should be a thousand Adams. John Adams should be a thousand times more famous than Thomas Jefferson. times more famous than Thomas Jefferson. times more famous than Thomas Jefferson. John Adams was an amazing man of God uh John Adams was an amazing man of God uh John Adams was an amazing man of God uh and very humble and very funny, very and very humble and very funny, very and very humble and very funny, very asserbic and he like any of these great asserbic and he like any of these great asserbic and he like any of these great figures in history, they cared more figures in history, they cared more figures in history, they cared more about the cause than about their own about the cause than about their own about the cause than about their own glory. And because of that, in some glory. And because of that, in some glory. And because of that, in some cases, we don't know them so well cases, we don't know them so well cases, we don't know them so well because they said, "Well, it's not about because they said, "Well, it's not about because they said, "Well, it's not about me. It's about we want to win." So me. It's about we want to win." So me. It's about we want to win." So Samuel Adams, second cousin to John Samuel Adams, second cousin to John Samuel Adams, second cousin to John Adams, John Adams, John Hancock, Paul Adams, John Adams, John Hancock, Paul Adams, John Adams, John Hancock, Paul Rivere, Rivere, Rivere, uh all the figures,

uh all the figures, uh all the figures, you know, the Sons of Liberty in the you know, the Sons of Liberty in the you know, the Sons of Liberty in the 1760s while this is developing, 1760s while this is developing, 1760s while this is developing, they were, you know, engaged in they were, you know, engaged in they were, you know, engaged in something. They thought we can't stick something. They thought we can't stick something. They thought we can't stick our necks out too much here because the our necks out too much here because the our necks out too much here because the British are going to they're going to British are going to they're going to British are going to they're going to hang us, right? So we we have to work hang us, right? So we we have to work hang us, right? So we we have to work behind the scenes. But if you work behind the scenes. But if you work behind the scenes. But if you work behind the scenes, you know, you're not behind the scenes, you know, you're not behind the scenes, you know, you're not going to get the glory. But if you care going to get the glory. But if you care going to get the glory. But if you care about the cause, you don't care about about the cause, you don't care about about the cause, you don't care about the getting the glory. But John Adams is the getting the glory. But John Adams is the getting the glory. But John Adams is kind of like that. He He should be a kind of like that. He He should be a kind of like that. He He should be a Mount Rushmore. Uh John Adams is a Mount Rushmore. Uh John Adams is a Mount Rushmore. Uh John Adams is a giant. And as I say, this is not to giant. And as I say, this is not to giant. And as I say, this is not to denigrate Jefferson, but Jefferson denigrate Jefferson, but Jefferson denigrate Jefferson, but Jefferson cannot hold a candle to John Adams. I I cannot hold a candle to John Adams. I I cannot hold a candle to John Adams. I I I'm just amazed. Uh I'm just amazed. Uh I'm just amazed. Uh >> but he made a tremendous sacrifice. I >> but he made a tremendous sacrifice. I >> but he made a tremendous sacrifice. I mean the time he spent overseas working mean the time he spent overseas working mean the time he spent overseas working on all the things that had on all the things that had on all the things that had >> Well, there's a ton of things you could >> Well, there's a ton of things you could >> Well, there's a ton of things you could say about John Adams, but I'll I'll tell say about John Adams, but I'll I'll tell say about John Adams, but I'll I'll tell just to since I mentioned Jefferson, the just to since I mentioned Jefferson, the just to since I mentioned Jefferson, the reason I think Jefferson is so well reason I think Jefferson is so well reason I think Jefferson is so well known is because I think the people who known is because I think the people who known is because I think the people who don't like the God side of the story, don't like the God side of the story, don't like the God side of the story, they kind of pick Jefferson as like he's they kind of pick Jefferson as like he's they kind of pick Jefferson as like he's our guy. He's the French Enlightenment our guy. He's the French Enlightenment our guy. He's the French Enlightenment rationalist guy and we're going to go rationalist guy and we're going to go rationalist guy and we're going to go with him. We're going to push him. Now, with him. We're going to push him. Now, with him. We're going to push him. Now, that's not even that true of Jefferson, that's not even that true of Jefferson, that's not even that true of Jefferson, but the point is that they kind of but the point is that they kind of but the point is that they kind of created that the Jefferson in their own created that the Jefferson in their own created that the Jefferson in their own image that he he was this French image that he he was this French image that he he was this French enlightenment guy. He was, you know, for enlightenment guy. He was, you know, for enlightenment guy. He was, you know, for the French Revolution, blah blah blah the French Revolution, blah blah blah the French Revolution, blah blah blah blah blah. So, that's that lie that you blah blah. So, that's that lie that you blah blah. So, that's that lie that you could get liberty and equality without could get liberty and equality without could get liberty and equality without God. That that's a lie. And the the the God. That that's a lie. And the the the God. That that's a lie. And the the the contrast, the reason the book is called contrast, the reason the book is called contrast, the reason the book is called Revolution, not the American Revolution, Revolution, not the American Revolution, Revolution, not the American Revolution, is because there has been only one

is because there has been only one is because there has been only one revolution in world history that revolution in world history that revolution in world history that succeeded in doing what it wanted to do. succeeded in doing what it wanted to do. succeeded in doing what it wanted to do. That's the American Revolution. Why? That's the American Revolution. Why? That's the American Revolution. Why? because they replaced an earthly king because they replaced an earthly king because they replaced an earthly king with God as king. And they knew that the with God as king. And they knew that the with God as king. And they knew that the French Revolution said, "We're going to French Revolution said, "We're going to French Revolution said, "We're going to get we're going to kill the king and get we're going to kill the king and get we're going to kill the king and queen, then we're going to start killing queen, then we're going to start killing queen, then we're going to start killing the priests and nuns. We don't want God the priests and nuns. We don't want God the priests and nuns. We don't want God to have anything to do with this. This to have anything to do with this. This to have anything to do with this. This is a secular utopia. This like a is a secular utopia. This like a is a secular utopia. This like a protoarxist view, protoarxist view, protoarxist view, >> right? How does that end? How does it go >> right? How does that end? How does it go >> right? How does that end? How does it go for the French? Can you get those for the French? Can you get those for the French? Can you get those things?" They don't. They get a things?" They don't. They get a things?" They don't. They get a bloodbath. They get a nightmare bloodbath. They get a nightmare bloodbath. They get a nightmare bloodbath. bloodbath. bloodbath. And then they trade the king and queen And then they trade the king and queen And then they trade the king and queen for an emperor dictator named Napoleon. for an emperor dictator named Napoleon. for an emperor dictator named Napoleon. That is a very bad trade. It it totally That is a very bad trade. It it totally That is a very bad trade. It it totally fails. So the lie that the secularists fails. So the lie that the secularists fails. So the lie that the secularists many secular historians in our lifetime many secular historians in our lifetime many secular historians in our lifetime that kind of act like well this all came that kind of act like well this all came that kind of act like well this all came out of the French enlightenment and it out of the French enlightenment and it out of the French enlightenment and it came out of the that that's they have came out of the that that's they have came out of the that that's they have really muddied the waters and confused really muddied the waters and confused really muddied the waters and confused it. I mean some of the some of it comes it. I mean some of the some of it comes it. I mean some of the some of it comes out of the Scottish Enlightenment out of the Scottish Enlightenment out of the Scottish Enlightenment whatever but the point is where where do whatever but the point is where where do whatever but the point is where where do the ideas where did all these ideas come the ideas where did all these ideas come the ideas where did all these ideas come from? they only come from the Bible.

from? they only come from the Bible. from? they only come from the Bible. That's the only place these ideas come. That's the only place these ideas come. That's the only place these ideas come. So if you push the God of the Bible out, So if you push the God of the Bible out, So if you push the God of the Bible out, you're it's not going to end well. And you're it's not going to end well. And you're it's not going to end well. And so that's part of why I think they keep so that's part of why I think they keep so that's part of why I think they keep pushing Jefferson as opposed to Adams pushing Jefferson as opposed to Adams pushing Jefferson as opposed to Adams because they he's he's like, you know, because they he's he's like, you know, because they he's he's like, you know, he's our he's their guy. They act like he's our he's their guy. They act like he's our he's their guy. They act like they can have a cake and eat it too. But they can have a cake and eat it too. But they can have a cake and eat it too. But it it just doesn't work. it it just doesn't work. it it just doesn't work. >> No, it really doesn't. And I it was the >> No, it really doesn't. And I it was the >> No, it really doesn't. And I it was the the reminders about Washington were the reminders about Washington were the reminders about Washington were really helpful to me that on more than really helpful to me that on more than really helpful to me that on more than one occasion he declined the opportunity one occasion he declined the opportunity one occasion he declined the opportunity to have been the ruler. to have been the ruler. to have been the ruler. >> He he's so he's so godly he just >> He he's so he's so godly he just >> He he's so he's so godly he just embarrasses all of us, doesn't he? Like embarrasses all of us, doesn't he? Like embarrasses all of us, doesn't he? Like you just realize this is a man of such you just realize this is a man of such you just realize this is a man of such character. character. character. >> That's the truth >> That's the truth >> That's the truth >> that it that you just think was he real? >> that it that you just think was he real? >> that it that you just think was he real? And it's like yeah, God created someone And it's like yeah, God created someone And it's like yeah, God created someone uh who had stellar character. And I'll uh who had stellar character. And I'll uh who had stellar character. And I'll tell you, Allan, it's interesting. It tell you, Allan, it's interesting. It tell you, Allan, it's interesting. It made me realize, I've been thinking this made me realize, I've been thinking this made me realize, I've been thinking this for years, but I haven't really said it. for years, but I haven't really said it. for years, but I haven't really said it. I I I was getting there with my book, I I I was getting there with my book, I I I was getting there with my book, Letter to the American Church, whatever. Letter to the American Church, whatever. Letter to the American Church, whatever. We don't talk about character enough. We We don't talk about character enough. We We don't talk about character enough. We talk about theology. Oh, you're saved by talk about theology. Oh, you're saved by talk about theology. Oh, you're saved by grace. It's all Jesus, Jesus. Jesus.

grace. It's all Jesus, Jesus. Jesus. grace. It's all Jesus, Jesus. Jesus. It's like, okay, and then what? You're It's like, okay, and then what? You're It's like, okay, and then what? You're saved. You believe. Now, saved. You believe. Now, saved. You believe. Now, you It's supposed to be reflected in you It's supposed to be reflected in you It's supposed to be reflected in your character. We've kind of forgotten. your character. We've kind of forgotten. your character. We've kind of forgotten. We kind of act like, well, that doesn't We kind of act like, well, that doesn't We kind of act like, well, that doesn't matter. That's works righteousness. No, matter. That's works righteousness. No, matter. That's works righteousness. No, it's not works righteousness. It's it is it's not works righteousness. It's it is it's not works righteousness. It's it is obedience to God. The the men of the obedience to God. The the men of the obedience to God. The the men of the revolution, they got that. Washington revolution, they got that. Washington revolution, they got that. Washington got that. That virtue, character, you got that. That virtue, character, you got that. That virtue, character, you got to work on this stuff. Uh it's not got to work on this stuff. Uh it's not got to work on this stuff. Uh it's not easy, right? And I really believe that easy, right? And I really believe that easy, right? And I really believe that the only path forward for us in America the only path forward for us in America the only path forward for us in America today is we we have to get back to that today is we we have to get back to that today is we we have to get back to that talking about character, talking about talking about character, talking about talking about character, talking about your character. your character. your character. >> But it started young. They were young >> But it started young. They were young >> But it started young. They were young men when they stepped into this. men when they stepped into this. men when they stepped into this. >> Oh, yeah. And the the pressure of it >> Oh, yeah. And the the pressure of it >> Oh, yeah. And the the pressure of it revealed their character. revealed their character. revealed their character. >> You know, I think we have this imagine >> You know, I think we have this imagine >> You know, I think we have this imagine I'm going to get some character when I'm I'm going to get some character when I'm I'm going to get some character when I'm through sewing my wild oats and having through sewing my wild oats and having through sewing my wild oats and having my fun and my fun and my fun and >> oh gosh, >> oh gosh, >> oh gosh, >> and then I'm going to go find some >> and then I'm going to go find some >> and then I'm going to go find some character at Walmart character at Walmart character at Walmart >> or order some from Amazon or something. >> or order some from Amazon or something. >> or order some from Amazon or something. And And And >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> it seems to me that we either start to >> it seems to me that we either start to >> it seems to me that we either start to build that in when we're young or it's build that in when we're young or it's build that in when we're young or it's really difficult really difficult really difficult >> to sort that out. Well, it we have to >> to sort that out. Well, it we have to >> to sort that out. Well, it we have to talk about it in it has to become part talk about it in it has to become part talk about it in it has to become part of the cultural conversation that are of the cultural conversation that are of the cultural conversation that are you a man of character because think you a man of character because think you a man of character because think about this. We focus so much this I'm about this. We focus so much this I'm about this. We focus so much this I'm speaking about, you know, we speaking about, you know, we speaking about, you know, we evangelicals, we always talk about faith evangelicals, we always talk about faith evangelicals, we always talk about faith and theology. We talk about that. What and theology. We talk about that. What and theology. We talk about that. What about character? Because I know a lot of about character? Because I know a lot of about character? Because I know a lot of people they can talk a good theological people they can talk a good theological people they can talk a good theological game. Uh they they get they but their game. Uh they they get they but their game. Uh they they get they but their character is character is character is >> if we get really honest, you get more >> if we get really honest, you get more >> if we get really honest, you get more clicks if you'll be a character.

clicks if you'll be a character. clicks if you'll be a character. >> Having character is kind of boring. >> Having character is kind of boring. >> Having character is kind of boring. Well, look, I'm not I'm not Well, look, I'm not I'm not Well, look, I'm not I'm not >> what I what I really mean, I guess, is >> what I what I really mean, I guess, is >> what I what I really mean, I guess, is >> the reason I think a lot of Christians >> the reason I think a lot of Christians >> the reason I think a lot of Christians are uncomfortable talking about are uncomfortable talking about are uncomfortable talking about character is they're worried character is they're worried character is they're worried that that that they're more worried about somebody they're more worried about somebody they're more worried about somebody getting the theology. Like, do you getting the theology. Like, do you getting the theology. Like, do you understand Jesus died for your sins? D understand Jesus died for your sins? D understand Jesus died for your sins? D like they act like that that's the only like they act like that that's the only like they act like that that's the only thing that matters. And I think that thing that matters. And I think that thing that matters. And I think that if you're talking about character, if you're talking about character, if you're talking about character, right, uh even somebody that doesn't right, uh even somebody that doesn't right, uh even somebody that doesn't understand the gospel, understand the gospel, understand the gospel, because we're created in God's image, we because we're created in God's image, we because we're created in God's image, we can get the right and wrong in the can get the right and wrong in the can get the right and wrong in the character issue. If you tell a young character issue. If you tell a young character issue. If you tell a young man, you know, hey, this is how you man, you know, hey, this is how you man, you know, hey, this is how you behave. This is how you talk to your behave. This is how you talk to your behave. This is how you talk to your mother. This is what you something mother. This is what you something mother. This is what you something inside us responds to that even if we inside us responds to that even if we inside us responds to that even if we don't get the theological background. don't get the theological background. don't get the theological background. And I think we need more of that. Uh, And I think we need more of that. Uh, And I think we need more of that. Uh, and we don't always have to dress it up and we don't always have to dress it up and we don't always have to dress it up in religious language. That can come in religious language. That can come in religious language. That can come with it. That can follow. I agree. with it. That can follow. I agree. with it. That can follow. I agree. >> But I think we we need that because I >> But I think we we need that because I >> But I think we we need that because I think there are people, I mean, I've think there are people, I mean, I've think there are people, I mean, I've seen this in the last few years. People seen this in the last few years. People seen this in the last few years. People that are just patriotic Americans that I that are just patriotic Americans that I that are just patriotic Americans that I know they don't get the theology, but know they don't get the theology, but know they don't get the theology, but they get right and wrong. They get they get right and wrong. They get they get right and wrong. They get sacrificing for what is right. They get sacrificing for what is right. They get sacrificing for what is right. They get standing up against lies. If if you get standing up against lies. If if you get standing up against lies. If if you get that, you're you're you're you're that, you're you're you're you're that, you're you're you're you're leaning to the kingdom there. You're not leaning to the kingdom there. You're not leaning to the kingdom there. You're not that you can't have that in a vacuum.

that you can't have that in a vacuum. that you can't have that in a vacuum. And I think that there And I think that there And I think that there that the the men of the revolution got that the the men of the revolution got that the the men of the revolution got that more. They understood that being a that more. They understood that being a that more. They understood that being a man of character man of character man of character um um um matters. Uh and uh I think somehow we matters. Uh and uh I think somehow we matters. Uh and uh I think somehow we just haven't talked about that as much just haven't talked about that as much just haven't talked about that as much as we need to. We we have to get back to as we need to. We we have to get back to as we need to. We we have to get back to talking about character because to me talking about character because to me talking about character because to me Washington is the ultimate example of Washington is the ultimate example of Washington is the ultimate example of character. And what I find funny and character. And what I find funny and character. And what I find funny and again when I was doing the research I again when I was doing the research I again when I was doing the research I had no clue but the two figures that had no clue but the two figures that had no clue but the two figures that were more qualified than Washington were more qualified than Washington were more qualified than Washington on paper. Okay so General Charles Lee on paper. Okay so General Charles Lee on paper. Okay so General Charles Lee >> and General Horatio Gates right they >> and General Horatio Gates right they >> and General Horatio Gates right they were the ones that they're thinking were the ones that they're thinking were the ones that they're thinking Congress is going to pick me to run the Congress is going to pick me to run the Congress is going to pick me to run the Continental Congress. They're not going Continental Congress. They're not going Continental Congress. They're not going to pick George Washington. I have more to pick George Washington. I have more to pick George Washington. I have more experience than George Washington. experience than George Washington. experience than George Washington. Right. Well, Congress picks Washington Right. Well, Congress picks Washington Right. Well, Congress picks Washington and then Washington proves himself to be and then Washington proves himself to be and then Washington proves himself to be the man for the job mainly because of the man for the job mainly because of the man for the job mainly because of his character. In other words, the his character. In other words, the his character. In other words, the military stuff ends up being less military stuff ends up being less military stuff ends up being less important than the character because he important than the character because he important than the character because he he had this ability to withstand he had this ability to withstand he had this ability to withstand suffering and and and and whatever. And suffering and and and and whatever. And suffering and and and and whatever. And the two guys that I just mentioned, they the two guys that I just mentioned, they the two guys that I just mentioned, they you realize their character was not so you realize their character was not so you realize their character was not so good. They were they were gunning for good. They were they were gunning for good. They were they were gunning for his job. They were undermining him.

his job. They were undermining him. his job. They were undermining him. They wanted the glory. They wanted the They wanted the glory. They wanted the They wanted the glory. They wanted the glory for themselves. They they were glory for themselves. They they were glory for themselves. They they were caring about their reputation and and caring about their reputation and and caring about their reputation and and and about their careers. and about their careers. and about their careers. Washington was he cared about the cause. Washington was he cared about the cause. Washington was he cared about the cause. He had a sense I I I don't know if it He had a sense I I I don't know if it He had a sense I I I don't know if it was a sense from God. Uh but but it was a sense from God. Uh but but it was a sense from God. Uh but but it seems like he had a sense of destiny seems like he had a sense of destiny seems like he had a sense of destiny that this is my assignment and I have to that this is my assignment and I have to that this is my assignment and I have to do this even if I suffer, even if you do this even if I suffer, even if you do this even if I suffer, even if you know whatever. Uh, so I just see that know whatever. Uh, so I just see that know whatever. Uh, so I just see that play played out in those those two play played out in those those two play played out in those those two characters. I mean, both of them get characters. I mean, both of them get characters. I mean, both of them get their comeuppants. I mean, you read the their comeuppants. I mean, you read the their comeuppants. I mean, you read the book. So like book. So like book. So like >> they totally they get humiliated because >> they totally they get humiliated because >> they totally they get humiliated because pursuing their own glory pursuing their own glory pursuing their own glory >> that, you know, it's like a movie. You >> that, you know, it's like a movie. You >> that, you know, it's like a movie. You you just think like, well, that guy, you just think like, well, that guy, you just think like, well, that guy, it's not going to end well for that guy. it's not going to end well for that guy. it's not going to end well for that guy. Um, and then of course there's the Um, and then of course there's the Um, and then of course there's the tragic story of Benedict Arnold, which tragic story of Benedict Arnold, which tragic story of Benedict Arnold, which is one of the most is one of the most is one of the most >> But I didn't know the heroic parts you >> But I didn't know the heroic parts you >> But I didn't know the heroic parts you told. I learned I learned something. told. I learned I learned something. told. I learned I learned something. >> Well, which is what makes it so tragic, >> Well, which is what makes it so tragic, >> Well, which is what makes it so tragic, right? right? right? >> It's kind It's kind of like Lucifer, you >> It's kind It's kind of like Lucifer, you >> It's kind It's kind of like Lucifer, you know? It's like, yeah, you're so know? It's like, yeah, you're so know? It's like, yeah, you're so wonderful and then you think like, yeah, wonderful and then you think like, yeah, wonderful and then you think like, yeah, I'm wonderful. I'm really wonderful. I I'm wonderful. I'm really wonderful. I I'm wonderful. I'm really wonderful. I deserve more credit. I deserve, you deserve more credit. I deserve, you deserve more credit. I deserve, you know, you start know, you start know, you start >> very much so.

>> very much so. >> very much so. >> Pride goeth before a fall. But the >> Pride goeth before a fall. But the >> Pride goeth before a fall. But the classic case is Benedict Arnold because classic case is Benedict Arnold because classic case is Benedict Arnold because he was outrageously talented and he knew he was outrageously talented and he knew he was outrageously talented and he knew it and it went to his head. it and it went to his head. it and it went to his head. >> Warning. >> Warning. >> Warning. >> And he Oh, no. I tell you, it's to me >> And he Oh, no. I tell you, it's to me >> And he Oh, no. I tell you, it's to me that that's a character study. Like I that that's a character study. Like I that that's a character study. Like I just said, I got to tell that story just said, I got to tell that story just said, I got to tell that story because it's so Yeah, it's it's because it's so Yeah, it's it's because it's so Yeah, it's it's sobering. Let's put it that way. God designed our bodies to heal. When I God designed our bodies to heal. When I came to that awareness, it changed my came to that awareness, it changed my came to that awareness, it changed my whole attitudes towards prayer, but it whole attitudes towards prayer, but it whole attitudes towards prayer, but it also changed my attitude towards health. also changed my attitude towards health. also changed my attitude towards health. We've got a responsibility to do We've got a responsibility to do We've got a responsibility to do everything we can to promote our own everything we can to promote our own everything we can to promote our own health. That means what we eat matters. health. That means what we eat matters. health. That means what we eat matters. Well, in our busy lives and all the Well, in our busy lives and all the Well, in our busy lives and all the things going on, I have found I need a things going on, I have found I need a things going on, I have found I need a little help with that. So, supplements little help with that. So, supplements little help with that. So, supplements and vitamins, uh, nutrients have become and vitamins, uh, nutrients have become and vitamins, uh, nutrients have become an important part of my own lifestyle. an important part of my own lifestyle. an important part of my own lifestyle. Jordan Rubin's a friend, so ancient Jordan Rubin's a friend, so ancient Jordan Rubin's a friend, so ancient nutrition.com has become a part of my nutrition.com has become a part of my nutrition.com has become a part of my daily routine. They're a sponsor of this daily routine. They're a sponsor of this daily routine. They're a sponsor of this podcast, not just because we needed a podcast, not just because we needed a podcast, not just because we needed a sponsor, but because I actually use the sponsor, but because I actually use the sponsor, but because I actually use the products and I believe in them. They products and I believe in them. They products and I believe in them. They have given us an opportunity for you.

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culture. culture. >> Well, I mean, I I really do believe >> Well, I mean, I I really do believe >> Well, I mean, I I really do believe that's why the Lord called me to write that's why the Lord called me to write that's why the Lord called me to write the book. And I do believe the Lord the book. And I do believe the Lord the book. And I do believe the Lord called me to write the book. I I thought called me to write the book. I I thought called me to write the book. I I thought that, you know, when you for me, if if I that, you know, when you for me, if if I that, you know, when you for me, if if I get an idea, like I think I'm writing a get an idea, like I think I'm writing a get an idea, like I think I'm writing a book, I got to think, well, are there book, I got to think, well, are there book, I got to think, well, are there books out there already? Do we need books out there already? Do we need books out there already? Do we need another book? you know, and I realized another book? you know, and I realized another book? you know, and I realized there's tons of books on the revolution, there's tons of books on the revolution, there's tons of books on the revolution, but there isn't one that tells but there isn't one that tells but there isn't one that tells everything in one book. I said, I there everything in one book. I said, I there everything in one book. I said, I there needs to be a book that tells the whole needs to be a book that tells the whole needs to be a book that tells the whole story, and that does not skew it in this story, and that does not skew it in this story, and that does not skew it in this secular direction as though, well, yeah, secular direction as though, well, yeah, secular direction as though, well, yeah, it happened. It's like, no, the the men it happened. It's like, no, the the men it happened. It's like, no, the the men of the revolution believed this was of the revolution believed this was of the revolution believed this was God's will. They called it the sacred God's will. They called it the sacred God's will. They called it the sacred cause and they believed that if we don't cause and they believed that if we don't cause and they believed that if we don't behave worthy of God in how we fight, behave worthy of God in how we fight, behave worthy of God in how we fight, we will not win. In other words, they we will not win. In other words, they we will not win. In other words, they didn't think like it's about tactics and didn't think like it's about tactics and didn't think like it's about tactics and about having the bigger army. They knew about having the bigger army. They knew about having the bigger army. They knew they didn't have the bigger army. they didn't have the bigger army. they didn't have the bigger army. They depended on God. They knew and and They depended on God. They knew and and They depended on God. They knew and and they I write about it. I mean, I use they I write about it. I mean, I use they I write about it. I mean, I use their own words over and over. All of their own words over and over. All of their own words over and over. All of them said it. Washington said it. Samuel them said it. Washington said it. Samuel them said it. Washington said it. Samuel Adams said it. John Adams, they all knew Adams said it. John Adams, they all knew Adams said it. John Adams, they all knew that if we repent and and look to the that if we repent and and look to the that if we repent and and look to the Lord, that's the only way we could win.

Lord, that's the only way we could win. Lord, that's the only way we could win. Why aren't we teaching that in schools? Why aren't we teaching that in schools? Why aren't we teaching that in schools? That's American history. Again, even if That's American history. Again, even if That's American history. Again, even if you don't agree with it, that's American you don't agree with it, that's American you don't agree with it, that's American history. That's how they looked at this history. That's how they looked at this history. That's how they looked at this war. And so, we need to know that that's war. And so, we need to know that that's war. And so, we need to know that that's how this nation began with a covenant how this nation began with a covenant how this nation began with a covenant relationship that they said we we can relationship that they said we we can relationship that they said we we can only win. We can only succeed if we look only win. We can only succeed if we look only win. We can only succeed if we look to the Lord and if the Lord blesses us. to the Lord and if the Lord blesses us. to the Lord and if the Lord blesses us. That's that is our history. We need to That's that is our history. We need to That's that is our history. We need to we simply need to know that. And I think we simply need to know that. And I think we simply need to know that. And I think that it's the only way forward for us that it's the only way forward for us that it's the only way forward for us right now. You know, we we need to be right now. You know, we we need to be right now. You know, we we need to be inspired by knowing that story. And I inspired by knowing that story. And I inspired by knowing that story. And I think that's part of the way the enemy think that's part of the way the enemy think that's part of the way the enemy works, right? If we can just get people works, right? If we can just get people works, right? If we can just get people to forget their history, to forget their history, to forget their history, uh then we can tell them anything. uh then we can tell them anything. uh then we can tell them anything. They'll buy any lie. They'll buy They'll buy any lie. They'll buy They'll buy any lie. They'll buy socialism or Marxism or they'll they'll socialism or Marxism or they'll they'll socialism or Marxism or they'll they'll buy that because they don't know the buy that because they don't know the buy that because they don't know the history. They don't know that that's history. They don't know that that's history. They don't know that that's that's not how you get uh you get that's not how you get uh you get that's not how you get uh you get self-government and liberty. They don't self-government and liberty. They don't self-government and liberty. They don't you know so we we all used to know this you know so we we all used to know this you know so we we all used to know this as I said and I think we have generally as I said and I think we have generally as I said and I think we have generally forgotten it and then the versions were forgotten it and then the versions were forgotten it and then the versions were getting like I mentioned Ken Burns's PBS getting like I mentioned Ken Burns's PBS getting like I mentioned Ken Burns's PBS series series series that's not going to inspire anybody. I that's not going to inspire anybody. I that's not going to inspire anybody. I mean I was amazed that was like if you mean I was amazed that was like if you mean I was amazed that was like if you make a remake of the Rocky movie and you make a remake of the Rocky movie and you make a remake of the Rocky movie and you come out and you're like so who was the come out and you're like so who was the come out and you're like so who was the hero in that? That was kind of like hero in that? That was kind of like hero in that? That was kind of like there there were two sides to that there there were two sides to that there there were two sides to that story. I don't really I don't really story. I don't really I don't really story. I don't really I don't really know who to root for. That's that's what know who to root for. That's that's what know who to root for. That's that's what the Ken Burns PBS was. I was blown away.

the Ken Burns PBS was. I was blown away. the Ken Burns PBS was. I was blown away. My wife and I kept looking at each other My wife and I kept looking at each other My wife and I kept looking at each other like, "Wow." And and then the heroic like, "Wow." And and then the heroic like, "Wow." And and then the heroic stories like like um one of the stories like like um one of the stories like like um one of the chapters, one of my favorites you asked, chapters, one of my favorites you asked, chapters, one of my favorites you asked, you know, Nathan Hail, oh my gosh, you know, Nathan Hail, oh my gosh, you know, Nathan Hail, oh my gosh, >> one of the greatest heroes in the >> one of the greatest heroes in the >> one of the greatest heroes in the history of this nation. Every single history of this nation. Every single history of this nation. Every single person needs to know the story of this person needs to know the story of this person needs to know the story of this extraordinary young man of God. What an extraordinary young man of God. What an extraordinary young man of God. What an amazing story. We need to have uh every amazing story. We need to have uh every amazing story. We need to have uh every everybody everybody everybody needs to know his story. And in in the needs to know his story. And in in the needs to know his story. And in in the PBS thing, they gave him 10 seconds. PBS thing, they gave him 10 seconds. PBS thing, they gave him 10 seconds. They dealt hours talking about the They dealt hours talking about the They dealt hours talking about the Native American tribes who allied with Native American tribes who allied with Native American tribes who allied with the British and and all this bizarre the British and and all this bizarre the British and and all this bizarre peripheral stuff and then one of these peripheral stuff and then one of these peripheral stuff and then one of these figures, one of the greatest figures uh figures, one of the greatest figures uh figures, one of the greatest figures uh of our history barely mentioned. You you of our history barely mentioned. You you of our history barely mentioned. You you gave you had some quotes from speeches gave you had some quotes from speeches gave you had some quotes from speeches and things written by people who weren't and things written by people who weren't and things written by people who weren't ready to join the revolution and they ready to join the revolution and they ready to join the revolution and they were pretty well reasoned why they would were pretty well reasoned why they would were pretty well reasoned why they would not encourage the Sons of Liberty to do not encourage the Sons of Liberty to do not encourage the Sons of Liberty to do what they were doing. what they were doing. what they were doing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I'm reading that and I think it >> And I'm reading that and I think it >> And I'm reading that and I think it sounds like the current conversations sounds like the current conversations sounds like the current conversations today.

today. today. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it and there's a segment of the >> And it and there's a segment of the >> And it and there's a segment of the evangelical community then that won't evangelical community then that won't evangelical community then that won't engage. engage. engage. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because they hear those voices saying, >> Because they hear those voices saying, >> Because they hear those voices saying, "No, you know, we should just go hug the "No, you know, we should just go hug the "No, you know, we should just go hug the British." British." British." >> Yeah. And you know, one I'd rather serve >> Yeah. And you know, one I'd rather serve >> Yeah. And you know, one I'd rather serve the tyrant I know than the tyrant I the tyrant I know than the tyrant I the tyrant I know than the tyrant I don't know. don't know. don't know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I'm thinking, "Oh, I've heard that >> And I'm thinking, "Oh, I've heard that >> And I'm thinking, "Oh, I've heard that speech lately." speech lately." speech lately." >> Well, you know what I what I find funny >> Well, you know what I what I find funny >> Well, you know what I what I find funny is like in the end, you'll find out who is like in the end, you'll find out who is like in the end, you'll find out who was right and who was wrong. And and as was right and who was wrong. And and as was right and who was wrong. And and as as I was telling this story, you see a as I was telling this story, you see a as I was telling this story, you see a couple of times these people who have a couple of times these people who have a couple of times these people who have a prophetic voice, Patrick Henry, prophetic voice, Patrick Henry, prophetic voice, Patrick Henry, >> most people when he said what he said, >> most people when he said what he said, >> most people when he said what he said, they're looking at him like, "What is he they're looking at him like, "What is he they're looking at him like, "What is he nuts?" Whoa. Like, slow down. back back nuts?" Whoa. Like, slow down. back back nuts?" Whoa. Like, slow down. back back it down like you're you're you're going it down like you're you're you're going it down like you're you're you're going too fast. He was exactly correct. He too fast. He was exactly correct. He too fast. He was exactly correct. He knew and and you can't help but think knew and and you can't help but think knew and and you can't help but think like he's hearing from God. He's saying like he's hearing from God. He's saying like he's hearing from God. He's saying this stuff and the you know the common this stuff and the you know the common this stuff and the you know the common wisdom says, "Oh, no, no, slow, you wisdom says, "Oh, no, no, slow, you wisdom says, "Oh, no, no, slow, you know, slow down. You're you're a know, slow down. You're you're a know, slow down. You're you're a hotthead." Same thing with um well, hotthead." Same thing with um well, hotthead." Same thing with um well, there were a few figures like that. John there were a few figures like that. John there were a few figures like that. John Adams is like that. That a lot of people Adams is like that. That a lot of people Adams is like that. That a lot of people they just weren't there yet.

they just weren't there yet. they just weren't there yet. But those, you know what we we call But those, you know what we we call But those, you know what we we call those people? We call those people those people? We call those people those people? We call those people leaders. leaders. leaders. >> We call those people leaders. They see >> We call those people leaders. They see >> We call those people leaders. They see what other people don't see and then what other people don't see and then what other people don't see and then they rally people to to to begin to see they rally people to to to begin to see they rally people to to to begin to see what they see. They're painting a what they see. They're painting a what they see. They're painting a picture and they're saying, "Do you see picture and they're saying, "Do you see picture and they're saying, "Do you see this? Do you see this?" And some people this? Do you see this?" And some people this? Do you see this?" And some people will see it and some people won't. And will see it and some people won't. And will see it and some people won't. And that's that's that story. You you Samuel that's that's that story. You you Samuel that's that's that story. You you Samuel Adams is definitely one of those. What a Adams is definitely one of those. What a Adams is definitely one of those. What a what a hero. What a hero. I mean, uh, what a hero. What a hero. I mean, uh, what a hero. What a hero. I mean, uh, but yeah, there there are a number of but yeah, there there are a number of but yeah, there there are a number of them that they see this stuff and then them that they see this stuff and then them that they see this stuff and then you get the quote unquote moderate you get the quote unquote moderate you get the quote unquote moderate voices like John Dickinson of voices like John Dickinson of voices like John Dickinson of Pennsylvania, you know, I mean, on July Pennsylvania, you know, I mean, on July Pennsylvania, you know, I mean, on July 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 1776 1776 1776 or is it July 1st? I think it's July or is it July 1st? I think it's July or is it July 1st? I think it's July 1st, 76, he's arguing against 1st, 76, he's arguing against 1st, 76, he's arguing against independence, independence, independence, you know, strongly arguing against you know, strongly arguing against you know, strongly arguing against independence at that late moment. I independence at that late moment. I independence at that late moment. I mean, they already the war had already mean, they already the war had already mean, they already the war had already been going on for uh what 14 months.

been going on for uh what 14 months. been going on for uh what 14 months. They already been fighting and bleeding They already been fighting and bleeding They already been fighting and bleeding and dying and and he's still thinking, and dying and and he's still thinking, and dying and and he's still thinking, "No, no, I think we can we can patch it "No, no, I think we can we can patch it "No, no, I think we can we can patch it up." Turns out he was wrong, right? And up." Turns out he was wrong, right? And up." Turns out he was wrong, right? And then there are people like John Adams then there are people like John Adams then there are people like John Adams and others who they saw the situation. and others who they saw the situation. and others who they saw the situation. They called and thank God they got the They called and thank God they got the They called and thank God they got the votes and thank God people like John votes and thank God people like John votes and thank God people like John Dickinson had the wisdom and the Dickinson had the wisdom and the Dickinson had the wisdom and the humility to go along with the majority humility to go along with the majority humility to go along with the majority even though they didn't. even though they didn't. even though they didn't. >> But that's I think it's really important >> But that's I think it's really important >> But that's I think it's really important because you know when we read our Bibles because you know when we read our Bibles because you know when we read our Bibles we like to think if I was in the middle we like to think if I was in the middle we like to think if I was in the middle of that I'd have been with Moses of that I'd have been with Moses of that I'd have been with Moses >> every day right? >> every day right? >> every day right? >> I'd have been right there. I'm with >> I'd have been right there. I'm with >> I'd have been right there. I'm with Moses. I got your back. Moses. I got your back. Moses. I got your back. >> Right. But the reality is the whole >> Right. But the reality is the whole >> Right. But the reality is the whole community grumbled their way through community grumbled their way through community grumbled their way through that to the point that the overwhelming that to the point that the overwhelming that to the point that the overwhelming majority of them didn't get the they majority of them didn't get the they majority of them didn't get the they didn't get the payoff for the whole didn't get the payoff for the whole didn't get the payoff for the whole Exodus drama. Exodus drama. Exodus drama. And I think we've got to recognize And I think we've got to recognize And I think we've got to recognize because I I think many of the people because I I think many of the people because I I think many of the people around me are like, well, you know, I'll around me are like, well, you know, I'll around me are like, well, you know, I'll get in when it's abundantly clear what get in when it's abundantly clear what get in when it's abundantly clear what the outcome's going to be and nobody the outcome's going to be and nobody the outcome's going to be and nobody could understand anything except God is could understand anything except God is could understand anything except God is doing this. I pretty think when the Red doing this. I pretty think when the Red doing this. I pretty think when the Red Sea parts, you could vote God's doing Sea parts, you could vote God's doing Sea parts, you could vote God's doing this. But 72 hours later, they're all this. But 72 hours later, they're all this. But 72 hours later, they're all grumbling when they get tomorrow.

grumbling when they get tomorrow. grumbling when they get tomorrow. And I I see so much of that in here. I And I I see so much of that in here. I And I I see so much of that in here. I see that in here. see that in here. see that in here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like, you know, I'm all in for God >> Like, you know, I'm all in for God >> Like, you know, I'm all in for God today, but on Tuesday. today, but on Tuesday. today, but on Tuesday. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that we need one another. I need you >> And that we need one another. I need you >> And that we need one another. I need you to write a book and remind me of stuff to write a book and remind me of stuff to write a book and remind me of stuff that I have read much of before. that I have read much of before. that I have read much of before. >> And we have to have those voices because >> And we have to have those voices because >> And we have to have those voices because there's another voice in us that tells there's another voice in us that tells there's another voice in us that tells us just be chill, take a cruise. You us just be chill, take a cruise. You us just be chill, take a cruise. You don't want to be one of those. And don't want to be one of those. And don't want to be one of those. And listen, let's be clear. That's that's listen, let's be clear. That's that's listen, let's be clear. That's that's the voice of the devil. The devil can be the voice of the devil. The devil can be the voice of the devil. The devil can be moderate when it suits him, right? You moderate when it suits him, right? You moderate when it suits him, right? You know, uh it is that's why we we need to, know, uh it is that's why we we need to, know, uh it is that's why we we need to, you know, hear hear a sermon at least you know, hear hear a sermon at least you know, hear hear a sermon at least once a week or hear we we need to be once a week or hear we we need to be once a week or hear we we need to be reminded of what we should know, but we reminded of what we should know, but we reminded of what we should know, but we forget. We forget. We forget. We need to forget. We forget. We forget. We need to forget. We forget. We forget. We need to be reminded and encouraged. That to me be reminded and encouraged. That to me be reminded and encouraged. That to me is uh you know, it's a spiritual truth. is uh you know, it's a spiritual truth. is uh you know, it's a spiritual truth. But then when it comes to the story of But then when it comes to the story of But then when it comes to the story of the American Revolution, as a nation, we the American Revolution, as a nation, we the American Revolution, as a nation, we all we have to know this stuff. And and all we have to know this stuff. And and all we have to know this stuff. And and we're we're late. This is like somebody we're we're late. This is like somebody we're we're late. This is like somebody who hasn't heard a sermon in a year, who hasn't heard a sermon in a year, who hasn't heard a sermon in a year, it's like, listen, pretty soon you're it's like, listen, pretty soon you're it's like, listen, pretty soon you're going to slide off the edge here. You going to slide off the edge here. You going to slide off the edge here. You you got to get back to understanding the you got to get back to understanding the you got to get back to understanding the basics that you have. You've drifted.

basics that you have. You've drifted. basics that you have. You've drifted. America, American culture, we have America, American culture, we have America, American culture, we have drifted. We all used to be pretty much drifted. We all used to be pretty much drifted. We all used to be pretty much on this page. And so I feel like, you on this page. And so I feel like, you on this page. And so I feel like, you know, this is our time to uh to revisit know, this is our time to uh to revisit know, this is our time to uh to revisit it. This is the 250th. I call it the it. This is the 250th. I call it the it. This is the 250th. I call it the super centennial. It's an exciting super centennial. It's an exciting super centennial. It's an exciting moment to to revisit what happened 250 moment to to revisit what happened 250 moment to to revisit what happened 250 years ago. And I say that it's kind of years ago. And I say that it's kind of years ago. And I say that it's kind of like I say we're in the third like I say we're in the third like I say we're in the third existential crisis of our history. The existential crisis of our history. The existential crisis of our history. The first is the revolution. The second is first is the revolution. The second is first is the revolution. The second is Civil War and the third is now. Civil War and the third is now. Civil War and the third is now. And in the second existential crisis and And in the second existential crisis and And in the second existential crisis and the Civil War, Henry Wsworth Longfellow the Civil War, Henry Wsworth Longfellow the Civil War, Henry Wsworth Longfellow writes Paul River's ride. He writes this writes Paul River's ride. He writes this writes Paul River's ride. He writes this beautiful poem to remind people listen beautiful poem to remind people listen beautiful poem to remind people listen my children. And I mean, you know, to to my children. And I mean, you know, to to my children. And I mean, you know, to to to to say, let's go back to the spirit to to say, let's go back to the spirit to to say, let's go back to the spirit of 76, actually, spirit of 75. And and of 76, actually, spirit of 75. And and of 76, actually, spirit of 75. And and we need to we need to go back to we need to we need to go back to we need to we need to go back to remember remember remember what happened then for now. And that was what happened then for now. And that was what happened then for now. And that was 1860. 1860. 1860. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And that's where I think we are now. >> And that's where I think we are now. >> And that's where I think we are now. >> But both of those crisis >> But both of those crisis >> But both of those crisis were butressed, preceded by a real were butressed, preceded by a real were butressed, preceded by a real period of renewal, awakening.

period of renewal, awakening. period of renewal, awakening. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Spiritual renewal. >> Spiritual renewal. >> Spiritual renewal. >> Yes. Yes. And I think if we're going to >> Yes. Yes. And I think if we're going to >> Yes. Yes. And I think if we're going to have an outcome that extends liberty and have an outcome that extends liberty and have an outcome that extends liberty and freedom, we'll have to have a similar freedom, we'll have to have a similar freedom, we'll have to have a similar >> There's no doubt. There's no >> There's no doubt. There's no >> There's no doubt. There's no >> there is no doubt. And I we haven't >> there is no doubt. And I we haven't >> there is no doubt. And I we haven't talked about George Whitfield, but you talked about George Whitfield, but you talked about George Whitfield, but you you see I mean that's just what you're you see I mean that's just what you're you see I mean that's just what you're referring to is the great awakening referring to is the great awakening referring to is the great awakening before the revolution. And I think I before the revolution. And I think I before the revolution. And I think I think we're in the middle of that right think we're in the middle of that right think we're in the middle of that right now. I think it's beginning. I think now. I think it's beginning. I think now. I think it's beginning. I think that there are people I see cultural that there are people I see cultural that there are people I see cultural evidence constantly, you know, such and evidence constantly, you know, such and evidence constantly, you know, such and such a pop star and such whatever, you such a pop star and such whatever, you such a pop star and such whatever, you know, give the life to Jesus or being know, give the life to Jesus or being know, give the life to Jesus or being baptized, right? 10 years ago that was baptized, right? 10 years ago that was baptized, right? 10 years ago that was not happening. I don't know if you not happening. I don't know if you not happening. I don't know if you remember, but I remember remember, but I remember remember, but I remember >> this is this is new. This is in the last >> this is this is new. This is in the last >> this is this is new. This is in the last five or so years. We're we're seeing five or so years. We're we're seeing five or so years. We're we're seeing something something something >> cooking. I've learned as a pastor there's a I've learned as a pastor there's a tremendous difference in a crowd and a tremendous difference in a crowd and a tremendous difference in a crowd and a community of faith. When people decide community of faith. When people decide community of faith. When people decide to step out of the crowd and invest to step out of the crowd and invest to step out of the crowd and invest their time and their resources, they their time and their resources, they their time and their resources, they become a part of a community and it become a part of a community and it become a part of a community and it changes their lives. Well, I want to changes their lives. Well, I want to changes their lives. Well, I want to give you that invitation. I'm grateful give you that invitation. I'm grateful give you that invitation. I'm grateful you're a part of the crowd who watch the you're a part of the crowd who watch the you're a part of the crowd who watch the ministry. I want to ask you to consider ministry. I want to ask you to consider ministry. I want to ask you to consider becoming a monthly ministry partner. I becoming a monthly ministry partner. I becoming a monthly ministry partner. I believe if you'll make that regular believe if you'll make that regular believe if you'll make that regular commitment to what God is doing through commitment to what God is doing through commitment to what God is doing through this ministry, it'll bring momentum to this ministry, it'll bring momentum to this ministry, it'll bring momentum to your spiritual life and it will help us your spiritual life and it will help us your spiritual life and it will help us reach more people than we've ever reach more people than we've ever reach more people than we've ever reached with the gospel before. Thank reached with the gospel before. Thank reached with the gospel before. Thank you. Ministry partners are at the heart you. Ministry partners are at the heart you. Ministry partners are at the heart of everything we do. Through their of everything we do. Through their of everything we do. Through their faithful monthly support, we're able to faithful monthly support, we're able to faithful monthly support, we're able to share biblical truth, encourage share biblical truth, encourage share biblical truth, encourage believers, and provide resources that believers, and provide resources that believers, and provide resources that help people become more fully devoted

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something we need to marinate in this. something we need to marinate in this. We need to know more and more. This is We need to know more and more. This is We need to know more and more. This is just the beginning. I think I hope just the beginning. I think I hope just the beginning. I think I hope people who read this book will want more people who read this book will want more people who read this book will want more um and will start getting excited about um and will start getting excited about um and will start getting excited about visiting historic sites and and learning visiting historic sites and and learning visiting historic sites and and learning about it. You can't you you know once about it. You can't you you know once about it. You can't you you know once you once you start getting into it you you once you start getting into it you you once you start getting into it you say man this is uh this is my history say man this is uh this is my history say man this is uh this is my history this is our history and this is part of this is our history and this is part of this is our history and this is part of our story. You said it before. It's like our story. You said it before. It's like our story. You said it before. It's like it's it's the next chapter of Acts. This it's it's the next chapter of Acts. This it's it's the next chapter of Acts. This is we're supposed to be is we're supposed to be is we're supposed to be living the new chapter of keeping the living the new chapter of keeping the living the new chapter of keeping the republic and and you know we uh we we republic and and you know we uh we we republic and and you know we uh we we have work to do. Like this is this is have work to do. Like this is this is have work to do. Like this is this is you can't live in a free country and do you can't live in a free country and do you can't live in a free country and do nothing. If you do nothing you you won't nothing. If you do nothing you you won't nothing. If you do nothing you you won't be free for long. And I really so I be free for long. And I really so I be free for long. And I really so I think we've been drifting for about as think we've been drifting for about as think we've been drifting for about as long as we can drift. So, I want to get long as we can drift. So, I want to get long as we can drift. So, I want to get people excited to to to to, people excited to to to to, people excited to to to to, you know, to to ask God, "What can I you know, to to ask God, "What can I you know, to to ask God, "What can I do?" do?" do?" >> Somebody sent me a video of Paul Harvey, >> Somebody sent me a video of Paul Harvey, >> Somebody sent me a video of Paul Harvey, this way friend, and he was telling the this way friend, and he was telling the this way friend, and he was telling the story of the signers of the declaration story of the signers of the declaration story of the signers of the declaration and the outcomes of their lives and the outcomes of their lives and the outcomes of their lives following those events. And it really following those events. And it really following those events. And it really does not line, you know, we were told does not line, you know, we were told does not line, you know, we were told they all did it because they were greedy they all did it because they were greedy they all did it because they were greedy and selfish and and selfish and and selfish and >> Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Not so much. That's another lie. There >> Not so much. That's another lie. There >> Not so much. That's another lie. There were some real sacrifices. Oh my gosh. were some real sacrifices. Oh my gosh. were some real sacrifices. Oh my gosh. These so many of these men were men of These so many of these men were men of These so many of these men were men of most of them were men of profound faith, most of them were men of profound faith, most of them were men of profound faith, incredible men of principle, honor. Um, incredible men of principle, honor. Um, incredible men of principle, honor. Um, we owe them a debt. And that's why I say we owe them a debt. And that's why I say we owe them a debt. And that's why I say like just knowing their names, knowing like just knowing their names, knowing like just knowing their names, knowing their stories, we owe them that at least their stories, we owe them that at least their stories, we owe them that at least to know that. And to forget it is to know that. And to forget it is to know that. And to forget it is criminal and sinful. So I I keep saying criminal and sinful. So I I keep saying criminal and sinful. So I I keep saying in our 250th year, this is the year like in our 250th year, this is the year like in our 250th year, this is the year like let's let's go back and let's become a let's let's go back and let's become a let's let's go back and let's become a nation that celebrates this history. nation that celebrates this history. nation that celebrates this history. Well, your your book, A Letter to the Well, your your book, A Letter to the Well, your your book, A Letter to the American Church, was a very timely American Church, was a very timely American Church, was a very timely message. And this feels like the logical message. And this feels like the logical message. And this feels like the logical next step, you know, to to accept that next step, you know, to to accept that next step, you know, to to accept that letter. If you make that personal, you letter. If you make that personal, you letter. If you make that personal, you need this. need this. need this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To give you the background to understand >> To give you the background to understand >> To give you the background to understand because now you're plotting points because now you're plotting points because now you're plotting points >> and we we can get a trajectory for where >> and we we can get a trajectory for where >> and we we can get a trajectory for where we could become what we could become. we could become what we could become. we could become what we could become. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so, thank you. It's an enormous >> And so, thank you. It's an enormous >> And so, thank you. It's an enormous amount of work to do something like amount of work to do something like amount of work to do something like that. that. that. >> Yeah. and thank you for investing the >> Yeah. and thank you for investing the >> Yeah. and thank you for investing the time and then getting on the road to go time and then getting on the road to go time and then getting on the road to go talk to people like me to tell this talk to people like me to tell this talk to people like me to tell this story over and over again.

story over and over again. story over and over again. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh I I trust the seeds you're planting >> Uh I I trust the seeds you're planting >> Uh I I trust the seeds you're planting God will honor and we will all get to God will honor and we will all get to God will honor and we will all get to reap the benefits. reap the benefits. reap the benefits. >> Uh well, listen, you know, it's a >> Uh well, listen, you know, it's a >> Uh well, listen, you know, it's a battle. The left is not, you know, battle. The left is not, you know, battle. The left is not, you know, promoting this book. Now, this is not promoting this book. Now, this is not promoting this book. Now, this is not some right-wing screed. This is just a some right-wing screed. This is just a some right-wing screed. This is just a book of our history, but if you want to book of our history, but if you want to book of our history, but if you want to know, know, know, you know, there there's not piles of you know, there there's not piles of you know, there there's not piles of this uh in every bookstore. So Barnes & this uh in every bookstore. So Barnes & this uh in every bookstore. So Barnes & Noble is not doing this. Noble is not doing this. Noble is not doing this. >> Most Barnes & Noble for some reason >> Most Barnes & Noble for some reason >> Most Barnes & Noble for some reason do not seem to have this book. And this do not seem to have this book. And this do not seem to have this book. And this book has been number two on the New York book has been number two on the New York book has been number two on the New York Times list twice. It has been on the New Times list twice. It has been on the New Times list twice. It has been on the New York Times list near the top six weeks York Times list near the top six weeks York Times list near the top six weeks so far. so far. so far. Why are they not prom every other Why are they not prom every other Why are they not prom every other bestseller? There's piles when you walk bestseller? There's piles when you walk bestseller? There's piles when you walk into the store. into the store. into the store. >> If you have a bookstore, you want to >> If you have a bookstore, you want to >> If you have a bookstore, you want to sell popular books, sell popular books, sell popular books, >> you would think. So, that's that's >> you would think. So, that's that's >> you would think. So, that's that's another piece of evidence that we are another piece of evidence that we are another piece of evidence that we are we're in a we're in a war with people we're in a we're in a war with people we're in a we're in a war with people that don't that don't like this country, that don't that don't like this country, that don't that don't like this country, that don't understand that don't understand that don't understand what this country is all about. And so, what this country is all about. And so, what this country is all about. And so, we need to be aware. we need to be aware. we need to be aware. >> So, where are you sending people to find >> So, where are you sending people to find >> So, where are you sending people to find this?

this? this? >> Well, I mean, mostly Amazon, but you >> Well, I mean, mostly Amazon, but you >> Well, I mean, mostly Amazon, but you know, pretty much anywhere you can you know, pretty much anywhere you can you know, pretty much anywhere you can you can get a copy. Uh, but mostly Amazon is can get a copy. Uh, but mostly Amazon is can get a copy. Uh, but mostly Amazon is probably the easiest at this point. probably the easiest at this point. probably the easiest at this point. >> It's a great book to carry around. It >> It's a great book to carry around. It >> It's a great book to carry around. It impresses your friends. you know, this impresses your friends. you know, this impresses your friends. you know, this is not like a comic book. So, you know, is not like a comic book. So, you know, is not like a comic book. So, you know, yeah, this is a little bit of my light yeah, this is a little bit of my light yeah, this is a little bit of my light summer reading. So, thank you, Eric. summer reading. So, thank you, Eric. summer reading. So, thank you, Eric. >> My privilege to be here. Thanks for >> My privilege to be here. Thanks for >> My privilege to be here. Thanks for having me. having me. having me. >> We have an assignment. We can't just >> We have an assignment. We can't just >> We have an assignment. We can't just read history. We have to live it. Uh read history. We have to live it. Uh read history. We have to live it. Uh I've lived long enough. Somebody thinks I've lived long enough. Somebody thinks I've lived long enough. Somebody thinks you are history. And so, let's decide you are history. And so, let's decide you are history. And so, let's decide we're going to make an impact for the we're going to make an impact for the we're going to make an impact for the kingdom of God. Culture and Christianity kingdom of God. Culture and Christianity kingdom of God. Culture and Christianity not optional. If your faith doesn't live not optional. If your faith doesn't live not optional. If your faith doesn't live outside the church, you don't have one. outside the church, you don't have one. outside the church, you don't have one. Enjoy the book. Enjoy the book. Enjoy the book. Thanks for joining me today. Before you Thanks for joining me today. Before you Thanks for joining me today. Before you go, please like the podcast and leave a go, please like the podcast and leave a go, please like the podcast and leave a comment so more people can hear about comment so more people can hear about comment so more people can hear about this topic, too. If you haven't yet, be this topic, too. If you haven't yet, be this topic, too. If you haven't yet, be sure and subscribe to Allen Jackson sure and subscribe to Allen Jackson sure and subscribe to Allen Jackson Ministries YouTube channel and follow Ministries YouTube channel and follow Ministries YouTube channel and follow the Culture and Christianity podcast. the Culture and Christianity podcast. the Culture and Christianity podcast. You can do that on Spotify, Apple You can do that on Spotify, Apple You can do that on Spotify, Apple Podcast, wherever you get your podcast.

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