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All right. All right. Join the Journey All right. All right. Join the Journey family, friends, and guests. You're family, friends, and guests. You're family, friends, and guests. You're listening to Join [music] the Journey listening to Join [music] the Journey listening to Join [music] the Journey podcast with your host, Emma Daughter. podcast with your host, Emma Daughter. podcast with your host, Emma Daughter. >> Thanks for joining. This week, we are >> Thanks for joining. This week, we are >> Thanks for joining. This week, we are reading Acts 191 11-20, [music] reading Acts 191 11-20, [music] reading Acts 191 11-20, [music] answering the questions, what is an answering the questions, what is an answering the questions, what is an exorcism, and how should we think about exorcism, and how should we think about exorcism, and how should we think about them today? But here with me in the them today? But here with me in the them today? But here with me in the studio, he's back. It's Watermark's studio, he's back. It's Watermark's studio, he's back. It's Watermark's executive director of the porch, Kylin executive director of the porch, Kylin executive director of the porch, Kylin Perry. Perry. Perry. >> I am back. Man, I have been looking >> I am back. Man, I have been looking >> I am back. Man, I have been looking forward to this one. It's been a minute. forward to this one. It's been a minute. forward to this one. It's been a minute. Last time y'all had me, we talked about Last time y'all had me, we talked about Last time y'all had me, we talked about the Holy Spirit. Today, we're talking the Holy Spirit. Today, we're talking the Holy Spirit. Today, we're talking about demons. about demons. about demons. >> I'm not saying there's a trend to all of >> I'm not saying there's a trend to all of >> I'm not saying there's a trend to all of this, but maybe there is. I'm the guy this, but maybe there is. I'm the guy this, but maybe there is. I'm the guy you bring in for the weird ones. That's you bring in for the weird ones. That's you bring in for the weird ones. That's what it sounds like. what it sounds like. what it sounds like. >> Before we get there, let's let's talk >> Before we get there, let's let's talk >> Before we get there, let's let's talk about the text. What's happening in this about the text. What's happening in this about the text. What's happening in this passage briefly? passage briefly? passage briefly? >> Yeah, there's a lot that's happening in >> Yeah, there's a lot that's happening in >> Yeah, there's a lot that's happening in this passage. And I love that this is this passage. And I love that this is this passage. And I love that this is just one moment over the course of your just one moment over the course of your just one moment over the course of your reading through the text and you reading through the text and you reading through the text and you rhythmically considering what God is rhythmically considering what God is rhythmically considering what God is actually doing in this passage. But actually doing in this passage. But actually doing in this passage. But something that I think is important for something that I think is important for something that I think is important for us and it's going to transition us well us and it's going to transition us well us and it's going to transition us well to the topic that we're discussing today to the topic that we're discussing today to the topic that we're discussing today is really Acts 19 11-20 is trying to is really Acts 19 11-20 is trying to is really Acts 19 11-20 is trying to help us understand that borrowed faith help us understand that borrowed faith help us understand that borrowed faith or spiritual technique cannot defeat or spiritual technique cannot defeat or spiritual technique cannot defeat darkness.

darkness. darkness. >> So ultimately say that again. >> So ultimately say that again. >> So ultimately say that again. >> Yeah. So, borrowed fa borrowed faith >> Yeah. So, borrowed fa borrowed faith >> Yeah. So, borrowed fa borrowed faith >> or spiritual technique cannot defeat >> or spiritual technique cannot defeat >> or spiritual technique cannot defeat darkness. darkness. darkness. >> I think you're going to see in this >> I think you're going to see in this >> I think you're going to see in this passage, uh, demons recognize legitimate passage, uh, demons recognize legitimate passage, uh, demons recognize legitimate authority authority authority >> in the sense that these sons ofKeva, >> in the sense that these sons ofKeva, >> in the sense that these sons ofKeva, they show up and they have no legitimate they show up and they have no legitimate they show up and they have no legitimate authority, authority, authority, >> but Jesus does. >> but Jesus does. >> but Jesus does. >> That's right. And so what they're trying >> That's right. And so what they're trying >> That's right. And so what they're trying to do is they're trying to bind evil to do is they're trying to bind evil to do is they're trying to bind evil spirits or renounce the works of the spirits or renounce the works of the spirits or renounce the works of the enemy through the name of Jesus, though enemy through the name of Jesus, though enemy through the name of Jesus, though they do not know the person of Jesus they do not know the person of Jesus they do not know the person of Jesus himself. They've seen what Paul has done himself. They've seen what Paul has done himself. They've seen what Paul has done and they want a little bit of that and they want a little bit of that and they want a little bit of that action. And yet, because they're action. And yet, because they're action. And yet, because they're operating in their own authority, operating in their own authority, operating in their own authority, they're not operating in the authority they're not operating in the authority they're not operating in the authority of Christ, uh, spoiler alert, uh, they of Christ, uh, spoiler alert, uh, they of Christ, uh, spoiler alert, uh, they get whipped into shape to the point that get whipped into shape to the point that get whipped into shape to the point that they get beat naked. Like, it's a crazy they get beat naked. Like, it's a crazy they get beat naked. Like, it's a crazy story. wild. Yet it does show us story. wild. Yet it does show us story. wild. Yet it does show us something really important. It tells us something really important. It tells us something really important. It tells us this idea that hell knows the difference this idea that hell knows the difference this idea that hell knows the difference between religion and relationship. That between religion and relationship. That between religion and relationship. That religion will try to manipulate God, but religion will try to manipulate God, but religion will try to manipulate God, but a genuine relationship surrenders to a genuine relationship surrenders to a genuine relationship surrenders to God. And through that surrender to God, God. And through that surrender to God, God. And through that surrender to God, to Christ as Lord overall, you have to Christ as Lord overall, you have to Christ as Lord overall, you have nothing than to fear.

nothing than to fear. nothing than to fear. >> So good. >> So good. >> So good. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> this is a great setup, Kylin. Let's >> this is a great setup, Kylin. Let's >> this is a great setup, Kylin. Let's let's dive in. So, I'm going to I'm let's dive in. So, I'm going to I'm let's dive in. So, I'm going to I'm going to give you some questions. going to give you some questions. going to give you some questions. They're going to get progressively more They're going to get progressively more They're going to get progressively more complicated. Okay, let's do it. complicated. Okay, let's do it. complicated. Okay, let's do it. >> Starting with who or what are demons? >> Starting with who or what are demons? >> Starting with who or what are demons? >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> what do we do with that? I think that's >> what do we do with that? I think that's >> what do we do with that? I think that's a good starting point for everybody. a good starting point for everybody. a good starting point for everybody. >> Yes, for sure. Okay. Well, let me can I >> Yes, for sure. Okay. Well, let me can I >> Yes, for sure. Okay. Well, let me can I back up and give one thought before back up and give one thought before back up and give one thought before answering that question because there answering that question because there answering that question because there there's a few things that we do need to there's a few things that we do need to there's a few things that we do need to talk about when it comes to talk about when it comes to talk about when it comes to >> who or what is a demon? But I think it's >> who or what is a demon? But I think it's >> who or what is a demon? But I think it's important for us to understand that important for us to understand that important for us to understand that demons do in fact exist. Uh, I think demons do in fact exist. Uh, I think demons do in fact exist. Uh, I think that believers have a really common that believers have a really common that believers have a really common acceptance that angels exist acceptance that angels exist acceptance that angels exist >> certainly, >> certainly, >> certainly, >> but because they're the good guys, >> but because they're the good guys, >> but because they're the good guys, they're easier to embrace. Whereas they're easier to embrace. Whereas they're easier to embrace. Whereas demons or evil spirits, they feel harder demons or evil spirits, they feel harder demons or evil spirits, they feel harder to recognize for some people because, to recognize for some people because, to recognize for some people because, well, they're the bad guys and that well, they're the bad guys and that well, they're the bad guys and that makes me uncomfortable. Uh, I was makes me uncomfortable. Uh, I was makes me uncomfortable. Uh, I was thinking in prep for this talk of a thinking in prep for this talk of a thinking in prep for this talk of a famous quote. Uh it was originally famous quote. Uh it was originally famous quote. Uh it was originally spoken by a French poet named uh Charles spoken by a French poet named uh Charles spoken by a French poet named uh Charles Bautilair but it was made famous by Bautilair but it was made famous by Bautilair but it was made famous by Kevin Spacy and the usual suspects but Kevin Spacy and the usual suspects but Kevin Spacy and the usual suspects but he's talking about Kaiser So he said the he's talking about Kaiser So he said the he's talking about Kaiser So he said the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was greatest trick the devil ever pulled was greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist convincing the world he doesn't exist convincing the world he doesn't exist but we as believers know he does exist.

but we as believers know he does exist. but we as believers know he does exist. That's right. That's right. That's right. >> So we just need to avoid the pitfall. >> So we just need to avoid the pitfall. >> So we just need to avoid the pitfall. Like some people they'll underplay that Like some people they'll underplay that Like some people they'll underplay that >> demonic activity is real. And it's >> demonic activity is real. And it's >> demonic activity is real. And it's because in the western world, we're because in the western world, we're because in the western world, we're technologically oriented, but we need to technologically oriented, but we need to technologically oriented, but we need to remember as believers, we're spiritually remember as believers, we're spiritually remember as believers, we're spiritually oriented. And then other people, they're oriented. And then other people, they're oriented. And then other people, they're over they'll overplay it. Uh I think over they'll overplay it. Uh I think over they'll overplay it. Uh I think >> this is why some people particularly in >> this is why some people particularly in >> this is why some people particularly in our context can feel a little bit of a our context can feel a little bit of a our context can feel a little bit of a Heisman or stiff arm towards this topic Heisman or stiff arm towards this topic Heisman or stiff arm towards this topic because they've just Yes. It's because because they've just Yes. It's because because they've just Yes. It's because they've seen people abuse others they've seen people abuse others they've seen people abuse others >> in the pursuit of >> in the pursuit of >> in the pursuit of deliverance ministry and exercising deliverance ministry and exercising deliverance ministry and exercising demonic forces. demonic forces. demonic forces. >> Uh when you start throwing water on >> Uh when you start throwing water on >> Uh when you start throwing water on people and chanting and pressing people and chanting and pressing people and chanting and pressing crucifixes against their foreheads, it crucifixes against their foreheads, it crucifixes against their foreheads, it can cause people to just sort of weird can cause people to just sort of weird can cause people to just sort of weird out. So, let me just say, which is out. So, let me just say, which is out. So, let me just say, which is understandable. understandable. understandable. >> Totally understandable. So, that's why >> Totally understandable. So, that's why >> Totally understandable. So, that's why I'm like, wherever it is you fall, I'm like, wherever it is you fall, I'm like, wherever it is you fall, >> uh there I love the way Joby Martin says >> uh there I love the way Joby Martin says >> uh there I love the way Joby Martin says it. He's like, for every mile of the it. He's like, for every mile of the it. He's like, for every mile of the road, there's two miles of ditch. You road, there's two miles of ditch. You road, there's two miles of ditch. You can fall into one side of the ditch or can fall into one side of the ditch or can fall into one side of the ditch or the other, but we want to get back on the other, but we want to get back on the other, but we want to get back on the road which says both angels and the road which says both angels and the road which says both angels and demons do exist. Now, what is a demon?

demons do exist. Now, what is a demon? demons do exist. Now, what is a demon? To answer your question, sorry, that To answer your question, sorry, that To answer your question, sorry, that just feels like a necessary setup. just feels like a necessary setup. just feels like a necessary setup. >> That's an incredible >> That's an incredible >> That's an incredible >> because I just want you to know you need >> because I just want you to know you need >> because I just want you to know you need to identify where you're at before we to identify where you're at before we to identify where you're at before we really get into this because we all need really get into this because we all need really get into this because we all need to move towards the the center which is to move towards the the center which is to move towards the the center which is the truth of Christ's word. Demons the truth of Christ's word. Demons the truth of Christ's word. Demons fundamentally are created beings. So you fundamentally are created beings. So you fundamentally are created beings. So you need to know they are not equal in any need to know they are not equal in any need to know they are not equal in any way, shape or form to God. Uh they are way, shape or form to God. Uh they are way, shape or form to God. Uh they are created beings. Now what is the origin created beings. Now what is the origin created beings. Now what is the origin of demons? There's a lot of debate of demons? There's a lot of debate of demons? There's a lot of debate around that. They could be fallen around that. They could be fallen around that. They could be fallen angels. I think that more than likely angels. I think that more than likely angels. I think that more than likely that is the case. We see that as Satan that is the case. We see that as Satan that is the case. We see that as Satan or Lucifer fell, so too did he entice or Lucifer fell, so too did he entice or Lucifer fell, so too did he entice other angels to come with them. But other angels to come with them. But other angels to come with them. But there's also argument around the thought there's also argument around the thought there's also argument around the thought that uh some demons if not all demons that uh some demons if not all demons that uh some demons if not all demons are the disembodied spirits of the are the disembodied spirits of the are the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, right? Like you would read Nephilim, right? Like you would read Nephilim, right? Like you would read that through extra biblical sources. that through extra biblical sources. that through extra biblical sources. >> At the end of the day, the thing that we >> At the end of the day, the thing that we >> At the end of the day, the thing that we can agree on is we don't necessarily can agree on is we don't necessarily can agree on is we don't necessarily know what the origin of demons are. More know what the origin of demons are. More know what the origin of demons are. More than likely, they fell as we see Lucifer than likely, they fell as we see Lucifer than likely, they fell as we see Lucifer or Satan himself fall.

or Satan himself fall. or Satan himself fall. >> Yep. So we need to realize they are evil >> Yep. So we need to realize they are evil >> Yep. So we need to realize they are evil spirits that exist in our present spirits that exist in our present spirits that exist in our present reality and they are against the plans reality and they are against the plans reality and they are against the plans of God. They do not recognize him as of God. They do not recognize him as of God. They do not recognize him as good though they do as we see in the good though they do as we see in the good though they do as we see in the text and we read through the scripture text and we read through the scripture text and we read through the scripture they do recognize him as Lord. They see they do recognize him as Lord. They see they do recognize him as Lord. They see him as authoritative in their life. him as authoritative in their life. him as authoritative in their life. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How how would this happen then? So >> How how would this happen then? So >> How how would this happen then? So regardless of where they've come from, y regardless of where they've come from, y regardless of where they've come from, y >> fallen angels or not, y >> fallen angels or not, y >> fallen angels or not, y >> how does someone find themselves in the >> how does someone find themselves in the >> how does someone find themselves in the situation where they are in need of an situation where they are in need of an situation where they are in need of an exorcism? exorcism? exorcism? >> Okay. Yeah. So again, a lot of this is >> Okay. Yeah. So again, a lot of this is >> Okay. Yeah. So again, a lot of this is subject to debate. So I just want to subject to debate. So I just want to subject to debate. So I just want to lead with that. Like we're engaging in a lead with that. Like we're engaging in a lead with that. Like we're engaging in a topic of conversation that is argued topic of conversation that is argued topic of conversation that is argued from different positions. from different positions. from different positions. >> Faithful believers have very views. >> Faithful believers have very views. >> Faithful believers have very views. >> Exly. That's exactly right. And so I >> Exly. That's exactly right. And so I >> Exly. That's exactly right. And so I just want to say like, hey, uh, we're just want to say like, hey, uh, we're just want to say like, hey, uh, we're here to just try and present what we here to just try and present what we here to just try and present what we have seen to be the information as the have seen to be the information as the have seen to be the information as the scripture has spoken to it.

scripture has spoken to it. scripture has spoken to it. >> Obviously, there's a lot of experience >> Obviously, there's a lot of experience >> Obviously, there's a lot of experience that people have. And that experience that people have. And that experience that people have. And that experience matters, but our theology shapes our matters, but our theology shapes our matters, but our theology shapes our experience. Our experience does not experience. Our experience does not experience. Our experience does not shape our theology shape our theology shape our theology >> or it shouldn't experience >> or it shouldn't experience >> or it shouldn't experience >> shouldn't shape our That's right. >> shouldn't shape our That's right. >> shouldn't shape our That's right. >> So here's what I would say from the >> So here's what I would say from the >> So here's what I would say from the scripture. What we realize by way of the scripture. What we realize by way of the scripture. What we realize by way of the text is typical demonization happens text is typical demonization happens text is typical demonization happens through either voluntary or involuntary through either voluntary or involuntary through either voluntary or involuntary means. So let's start with voluntary. Um means. So let's start with voluntary. Um means. So let's start with voluntary. Um you could voluntarily find yourself you could voluntarily find yourself you could voluntarily find yourself demonized demonized demonized >> if there is persistent or unrepentant >> if there is persistent or unrepentant >> if there is persistent or unrepentant failure in your life. failure in your life. failure in your life. >> A failure or a refusal to resist the >> A failure or a refusal to resist the >> A failure or a refusal to resist the devil. We know that Satan will flee. But devil. We know that Satan will flee. But devil. We know that Satan will flee. But that doesn't mean he is required to less that doesn't mean he is required to less that doesn't mean he is required to less we resist him. Mh. we resist him. Mh. we resist him. Mh. >> Failure to wear the armor of God, which >> Failure to wear the armor of God, which >> Failure to wear the armor of God, which we read about in Ephesians 6. Failure or we read about in Ephesians 6. Failure or we read about in Ephesians 6. Failure or refusal to put on Christ refusal to put on Christ refusal to put on Christ >> as Paul would instruct in Romans 13, or >> as Paul would instruct in Romans 13, or >> as Paul would instruct in Romans 13, or a failure to pray for protection against a failure to pray for protection against a failure to pray for protection against temptation. Jesus himself, when he temptation. Jesus himself, when he temptation. Jesus himself, when he teaches the Lord's prayer, teaches us teaches the Lord's prayer, teaches us teaches the Lord's prayer, teaches us that we should pray that we would be that we should pray that we would be that we should pray that we would be delivered from temptation.

delivered from temptation. delivered from temptation. So that's one. You can voluntarily So that's one. You can voluntarily So that's one. You can voluntarily subject yourself to demonization through subject yourself to demonization through subject yourself to demonization through blatant sin. So this would be like blatant sin. So this would be like blatant sin. So this would be like occultic activity, occultic activity, occultic activity, >> seeking out, which it sounds like, oh >> seeking out, which it sounds like, oh >> seeking out, which it sounds like, oh man, that's crazy. But our world is man, that's crazy. But our world is man, that's crazy. But our world is doing this like astrology, palm reading, doing this like astrology, palm reading, doing this like astrology, palm reading, fortuneelling, tea leaves, crystals, fortuneelling, tea leaves, crystals, fortuneelling, tea leaves, crystals, manifestation, Ouija boards, manifestation, Ouija boards, manifestation, Ouija boards, >> table lifting and seances. And I could >> table lifting and seances. And I could >> table lifting and seances. And I could go on like this is a present reality. go on like this is a present reality. go on like this is a present reality. It's it's interesting. There's magic It's it's interesting. There's magic It's it's interesting. There's magic arts discussed in Acts 19, but we have arts discussed in Acts 19, but we have arts discussed in Acts 19, but we have our own today that people are subjecting our own today that people are subjecting our own today that people are subjecting themselves to themselves to themselves to >> um other Yeah, go ahead. >> um other Yeah, go ahead. >> um other Yeah, go ahead. >> Summarizing what you've said so far, >> Summarizing what you've said so far, >> Summarizing what you've said so far, there can be a invol I think this would there can be a invol I think this would there can be a invol I think this would fall under involuntary. These would all fall under involuntary. These would all fall under involuntary. These would all be voluntary. These are all voluntary. be voluntary. These are all voluntary. be voluntary. These are all voluntary. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like so you're subjecting >> Yeah. Yeah. Like so you're subjecting >> Yeah. Yeah. Like so you're subjecting yourself to an occultic practice or yourself to an occultic practice or yourself to an occultic practice or you're you're you're >> refusing to flee temptation or >> refusing to flee temptation or >> refusing to flee temptation or >> repent. Yeah. Repent of sin. Yeah. >> repent. Yeah. Repent of sin. Yeah. >> repent. Yeah. Repent of sin. Yeah. That's right. That's right. That's right. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> And then Okay. So, and the last one I >> And then Okay. So, and the last one I >> And then Okay. So, and the last one I would say on this is uh if you would say on this is uh if you would say on this is uh if you uh if you subject yourself to idolatry, uh if you subject yourself to idolatry, uh if you subject yourself to idolatry, >> um this is a long rabbit hole we can get >> um this is a long rabbit hole we can get >> um this is a long rabbit hole we can get into, so we'll avoid it. But I do think into, so we'll avoid it. But I do think into, so we'll avoid it. But I do think it's important for you to know idols in it's important for you to know idols in it's important for you to know idols in the Old Testament are not just wooden the Old Testament are not just wooden the Old Testament are not just wooden figurines figurines figurines >> that are empty.

>> that are empty. >> that are empty. >> That's right. They are actually indwelt >> That's right. They are actually indwelt >> That's right. They are actually indwelt by demons. Uh Paul even speaks of this by demons. Uh Paul even speaks of this by demons. Uh Paul even speaks of this when we read in 1 Corinthians chapter when we read in 1 Corinthians chapter when we read in 1 Corinthians chapter 10. I think I was actually just reading 10. I think I was actually just reading 10. I think I was actually just reading this in my own personal time. He tells this in my own personal time. He tells this in my own personal time. He tells the church of Corinth, "Hey, do not eat the church of Corinth, "Hey, do not eat the church of Corinth, "Hey, do not eat of any food sacrificed to idols because of any food sacrificed to idols because of any food sacrificed to idols because it was in worship of an evil spirit." So it was in worship of an evil spirit." So it was in worship of an evil spirit." So we know like idolatry even in our modern we know like idolatry even in our modern we know like idolatry even in our modern moment there's something consistent to a moment there's something consistent to a moment there's something consistent to a worship of that which is not of God. worship of that which is not of God. worship of that which is not of God. >> There's a but it's opposition to >> There's a but it's opposition to >> There's a but it's opposition to >> evil force or spirit behind that's >> evil force or spirit behind that's >> evil force or spirit behind that's exactly right whatever that idol is. exactly right whatever that idol is. exactly right whatever that idol is. >> That's right. So yeah. So these are >> That's right. So yeah. So these are >> That's right. So yeah. So these are areas of voluntary. Let me get into the areas of voluntary. Let me get into the areas of voluntary. Let me get into the involuntary stuff. I'll be quick on involuntary stuff. I'll be quick on involuntary stuff. I'll be quick on this. Sorry this is taking longer than this. Sorry this is taking longer than this. Sorry this is taking longer than you wanted. But great some of the areas you wanted. But great some of the areas you wanted. But great some of the areas of involuntary demonization and there's of involuntary demonization and there's of involuntary demonization and there's some some some some some some >> there's a longer conversation here >> there's a longer conversation here >> there's a longer conversation here around the thought of ancestral sin. around the thought of ancestral sin. around the thought of ancestral sin. >> You get this in Exodus 20, >> You get this in Exodus 20, >> You get this in Exodus 20, >> but particularly important to know about >> but particularly important to know about >> but particularly important to know about this thought and within Exodus 20 is this thought and within Exodus 20 is this thought and within Exodus 20 is that ancestral sin seems to only be that ancestral sin seems to only be that ancestral sin seems to only be consistent to those that hate God. The consistent to those that hate God. The consistent to those that hate God. The threat of ancestral sin is not threat of ancestral sin is not threat of ancestral sin is not applicable to those that claim to love applicable to those that claim to love applicable to those that claim to love him. Um, and then the other one would be him. Um, and then the other one would be him. Um, and then the other one would be curses. Um, and what is a curse? A curse curses. Um, and what is a curse? A curse curses. Um, and what is a curse? A curse is to call down or to send forth from a is to call down or to send forth from a is to call down or to send forth from a supernatural source a calamity or supernatural source a calamity or supernatural source a calamity or adversity upon another person adversity upon another person adversity upon another person >> like voodoo.

>> like voodoo. >> like voodoo. >> Yeah, that's right. So, the best uh >> Yeah, that's right. So, the best uh >> Yeah, that's right. So, the best uh scriptural reference we have to a scriptural reference we have to a scriptural reference we have to a demonic cursing demonic cursing demonic cursing >> is from the Moabitete king Balo when he >> is from the Moabitete king Balo when he >> is from the Moabitete king Balo when he asked asked asked >> Baling Bum >> Baling Bum >> Baling Bum >> to curse Israel. Yeah. As they were >> to curse Israel. Yeah. As they were >> to curse Israel. Yeah. As they were wandering. So, that's these are a couple wandering. So, that's these are a couple wandering. So, that's these are a couple of examples of involuntary of examples of involuntary of examples of involuntary >> demonizations. So, somebody finds >> demonizations. So, somebody finds >> demonizations. So, somebody finds themsself in this situation, whether themsself in this situation, whether themsself in this situation, whether voluntary or involuntary. voluntary or involuntary. voluntary or involuntary. >> Then we get into, all right, they got a >> Then we get into, all right, they got a >> Then we get into, all right, they got a problem, problem, problem, >> they've got a demon. >> they've got a demon. >> they've got a demon. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What is an exorcism? How does how does >> What is an exorcism? How does how does >> What is an exorcism? How does how does this this this >> situation change? And I I pulled two >> situation change? And I I pulled two >> situation change? And I I pulled two definitions, definitions, definitions, >> please. >> please. >> please. >> One came from the Baker Encyclopedia of >> One came from the Baker Encyclopedia of >> One came from the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible. says the art it an exorcism the Bible. says the art it an exorcism the Bible. says the art it an exorcism is the art of expelling demons and evil is the art of expelling demons and evil is the art of expelling demons and evil spirits and the practitioner of this spirits and the practitioner of this spirits and the practitioner of this art. The other definition reads exorcism art. The other definition reads exorcism art. The other definition reads exorcism is the practice of expelling demons by is the practice of expelling demons by is the practice of expelling demons by means of some ritual act but this act is means of some ritual act but this act is means of some ritual act but this act is not mentioned in the old testament. It not mentioned in the old testament. It not mentioned in the old testament. It is demonstrated by Jesus in the gospels is demonstrated by Jesus in the gospels is demonstrated by Jesus in the gospels as one of the many miracles Jesus did in as one of the many miracles Jesus did in as one of the many miracles Jesus did in his time on earth.

his time on earth. his time on earth. >> Yeah, that's great. I think those are >> Yeah, that's great. I think those are >> Yeah, that's great. I think those are both really helpful. Like both really helpful. Like both really helpful. Like it's interesting. The concept we get in it's interesting. The concept we get in it's interesting. The concept we get in our current cultural context around our current cultural context around our current cultural context around exorcism isn't inherently wrong. It's exorcism isn't inherently wrong. It's exorcism isn't inherently wrong. It's the idea of expelling a demon or an evil the idea of expelling a demon or an evil the idea of expelling a demon or an evil spirit. But I do think whenever we hear spirit. But I do think whenever we hear spirit. But I do think whenever we hear the word exorcism, our mind leaps to the word exorcism, our mind leaps to the word exorcism, our mind leaps to spinning heads and uh someone spraying spinning heads and uh someone spraying spinning heads and uh someone spraying pea soup, you know, like that's what pea soup, you know, like that's what pea soup, you know, like that's what happens in the movie. It's I think happens in the movie. It's I think happens in the movie. It's I think that's what people think. And yet I that's what people think. And yet I that's what people think. And yet I think it's important for us to think it's important for us to think it's important for us to understand that word exorcist only understand that word exorcist only understand that word exorcist only appears in this passage in Acts 19. It appears in this passage in Acts 19. It appears in this passage in Acts 19. It doesn't appear in any other place in the doesn't appear in any other place in the doesn't appear in any other place in the scripture. It was interesting about scripture. It was interesting about scripture. It was interesting about exorcism is that it is used of Jewish exorcism is that it is used of Jewish exorcism is that it is used of Jewish exorcists exorcists exorcists >> that are ultimately whipped around and >> that are ultimately whipped around and >> that are ultimately whipped around and beat up. beat up. beat up. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Meaning it's not likely inherently >> Meaning it's not likely inherently >> Meaning it's not likely inherently consistent with Christ. It's probably consistent with Christ. It's probably consistent with Christ. It's probably actually in this passage actually in this passage actually in this passage more correlated to a magical more correlated to a magical more correlated to a magical connotation. connotation. connotation. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> So what's interesting is uh we would be >> So what's interesting is uh we would be >> So what's interesting is uh we would be more familiar with the idea of more familiar with the idea of more familiar with the idea of deliverance which what Christ has done deliverance which what Christ has done deliverance which what Christ has done for us. He has delivered us from where?

for us. He has delivered us from where? for us. He has delivered us from where? From the domain of darkness. And so as From the domain of darkness. And so as From the domain of darkness. And so as believers we should be prepared to believers we should be prepared to believers we should be prepared to exercise deliverance should ever we exercise deliverance should ever we exercise deliverance should ever we encounter a supernatural evil. And we encounter a supernatural evil. And we encounter a supernatural evil. And we know very clearly from the scripture know very clearly from the scripture know very clearly from the scripture that spiritual warfare is real and we that spiritual warfare is real and we that spiritual warfare is real and we must be discerning when it comes to the must be discerning when it comes to the must be discerning when it comes to the schemes of the devil. And we should take schemes of the devil. And we should take schemes of the devil. And we should take seriously what Paul says in Ephesians seriously what Paul says in Ephesians seriously what Paul says in Ephesians chapter 6. He says we don't wrestle chapter 6. He says we don't wrestle chapter 6. He says we don't wrestle against flesh or blood but against the against flesh or blood but against the against flesh or blood but against the rulers, the authorities, cosmic powers rulers, the authorities, cosmic powers rulers, the authorities, cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the over this present darkness, against the over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. We know that this is the world places. We know that this is the world places. We know that this is the world in which we live. Doesn't mean we in which we live. Doesn't mean we in which we live. Doesn't mean we necessarily go seeking it out, but it necessarily go seeking it out, but it necessarily go seeking it out, but it does mean we should be prepared to does mean we should be prepared to does mean we should be prepared to deliver people deliver people deliver people >> to follow in Christ's example. >> to follow in Christ's example. >> to follow in Christ's example. >> Exactly. Now, we also learned from this >> Exactly. Now, we also learned from this >> Exactly. Now, we also learned from this text, you don't do it by way of your own text, you don't do it by way of your own text, you don't do it by way of your own authority. You do it under the authority authority. You do it under the authority authority. You do it under the authority of Jesus. I think it's imperative we can of Jesus. I think it's imperative we can of Jesus. I think it's imperative we can talk about like, well, what's the right talk about like, well, what's the right talk about like, well, what's the right method? method? method? >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Before we even talk about methodology >> Before we even talk about methodology >> Before we even talk about methodology because again, there's so many questions because again, there's so many questions because again, there's so many questions around that. around that. around that. >> It matters less how you do it and more >> It matters less how you do it and more >> It matters less how you do it and more through whom you do it.

through whom you do it. through whom you do it. >> We do it through >> We do it through >> We do it through the shed blood and the broken body of the shed blood and the broken body of the shed blood and the broken body of Christ, a resurrected Lord and Savior. Christ, a resurrected Lord and Savior. Christ, a resurrected Lord and Savior. It's through Christ's authority that we It's through Christ's authority that we It's through Christ's authority that we have authority to trample on serpents have authority to trample on serpents have authority to trample on serpents and scorpions. That's what he says to and scorpions. That's what he says to and scorpions. That's what he says to his disciples in Luke. And they come his disciples in Luke. And they come his disciples in Luke. And they come back and they're like, "Even the demons back and they're like, "Even the demons back and they're like, "Even the demons flee." And he's like, "Exactly flee." And he's like, "Exactly flee." And he's like, "Exactly >> because I have >> because I have >> because I have >> I have given you the authority by way of >> I have given you the authority by way of >> I have given you the authority by way of my name to do everything you have my name to do everything you have my name to do everything you have yourself seen." I love that passage yourself seen." I love that passage yourself seen." I love that passage because it's not a group of apostles or because it's not a group of apostles or because it's not a group of apostles or seminary grads or pastors that he sends seminary grads or pastors that he sends seminary grads or pastors that he sends out. They're unnamed average disciples, out. They're unnamed average disciples, out. They're unnamed average disciples, 72 of them. So it means, man, it was 72 of them. So it means, man, it was 72 of them. So it means, man, it was true for them, it's true for us. true for them, it's true for us. true for them, it's true for us. >> And the reason it's true today is >> And the reason it's true today is >> And the reason it's true today is because the same God yesterday today is because the same God yesterday today is because the same God yesterday today is the same God that was there yesterday is the same God that was there yesterday is the same God that was there yesterday is the same God here today. And he is the the same God here today. And he is the the same God here today. And he is the same God forever and his authority same God forever and his authority same God forever and his authority reigns reigns reigns >> at all times. >> at all times. >> at all times. >> I I imagine there's people who who hear >> I I imagine there's people who who hear >> I I imagine there's people who who hear you and I say that and they think, wait, you and I say that and they think, wait, you and I say that and they think, wait, what? Yeah. Like did did Kylin just say what? Yeah. Like did did Kylin just say what? Yeah. Like did did Kylin just say on the Join the Journey podcast that on the Join the Journey podcast that on the Join the Journey podcast that Lehan cast out demons? [laughter] Lehan cast out demons? [laughter] Lehan cast out demons? [laughter] And again, believers have varying views And again, believers have varying views And again, believers have varying views on this. But I do think what sometimes on this. But I do think what sometimes on this. But I do think what sometimes happens is happens is happens is >> believers who are in more conservative >> believers who are in more conservative >> believers who are in more conservative camps. For example, when it comes to camps. For example, when it comes to camps. For example, when it comes to spiritual gifts, sessationism, they spiritual gifts, sessationism, they spiritual gifts, sessationism, they don't believe that the miraculous gifts don't believe that the miraculous gifts don't believe that the miraculous gifts are continuing today are continuing today are continuing today >> will >> will >> will >> on accident take that theology that's >> on accident take that theology that's >> on accident take that theology that's around spiritual gifts and start to around spiritual gifts and start to around spiritual gifts and start to apply it to other areas.

apply it to other areas. apply it to other areas. >> And that is not what sensationism is >> And that is not what sensationism is >> And that is not what sensationism is about. Yeah. about. Yeah. about. Yeah. >> It's about the miraculous gift of >> It's about the miraculous gift of >> It's about the miraculous gift of healing. Yeah. healing. Yeah. healing. Yeah. >> Or prophecy or tongues, not >> Or prophecy or tongues, not >> Or prophecy or tongues, not >> demons. >> demons. >> demons. >> Yes. Totally. >> Yes. Totally. >> Yes. Totally. >> In Christ's victory over them. >> In Christ's victory over them. >> In Christ's victory over them. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think people they can >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think people they can >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think people they can get the the two confused because get the the two confused because get the the two confused because deliverance there's a lot of debate deliverance there's a lot of debate deliverance there's a lot of debate around is that a spiritual gift? around is that a spiritual gift? around is that a spiritual gift? >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> And really what we recognize is it's >> And really what we recognize is it's >> And really what we recognize is it's actually a work of ministry. Now, actually a work of ministry. Now, actually a work of ministry. Now, doesn't mean you need to go and set up a doesn't mean you need to go and set up a doesn't mean you need to go and set up a deliverance ministry, but you need to be deliverance ministry, but you need to be deliverance ministry, but you need to be prepared to minister prepared to minister prepared to minister >> the act of deliverance should ever you >> the act of deliverance should ever you >> the act of deliverance should ever you find yourself in that situation. That's find yourself in that situation. That's find yourself in that situation. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um do you right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um do you right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um do you want me to tell us how to do this? want me to tell us how to do this? want me to tell us how to do this? >> Yeah. Let's get into the methods. What >> Yeah. Let's get into the methods. What >> Yeah. Let's get into the methods. What What is this? Cuz cuz I I'm like I'm I'm What is this? Cuz cuz I I'm like I'm I'm What is this? Cuz cuz I I'm like I'm I'm certain people are hearing this and certain people are hearing this and certain people are hearing this and like, "Okay, I should be prepared. like, "Okay, I should be prepared. like, "Okay, I should be prepared. >> What does that even mean?" >> What does that even mean?" >> What does that even mean?" >> Okay. And again, I just think it's >> Okay. And again, I just think it's >> Okay. And again, I just think it's important. It's it's less how you do it. important. It's it's less how you do it. important. It's it's less how you do it. It's more through whom you do it. you do It's more through whom you do it. you do It's more through whom you do it. you do it through Christ. And the method that it through Christ. And the method that it through Christ. And the method that I'm going to give you that I feel like I'm going to give you that I feel like I'm going to give you that I feel like man, okay, if we're going to look at man, okay, if we're going to look at man, okay, if we're going to look at anyone's anyone's example, let's look at anyone's anyone's example, let's look at anyone's anyone's example, let's look at Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. >> Certainly. >> Certainly. >> Certainly. >> So, what we see is uh as Jesus interacts >> So, what we see is uh as Jesus interacts >> So, what we see is uh as Jesus interacts with uh those that suffer from with uh those that suffer from with uh those that suffer from demonization. So, indwelling evil demonization. So, indwelling evil demonization. So, indwelling evil spirits, spirits, spirits, >> what we see is uh he does a few things.

>> what we see is uh he does a few things. >> what we see is uh he does a few things. Number one, he always identifies the Number one, he always identifies the Number one, he always identifies the demon's name. He always binds that demon's name. He always binds that demon's name. He always binds that spirit. He always rebukes that spirit. spirit. He always rebukes that spirit. spirit. He always rebukes that spirit. He always silences that spirit. He casts He always silences that spirit. He casts He always silences that spirit. He casts that spirit out. that spirit out. that spirit out. >> Yep. He persists if the spirit is >> Yep. He persists if the spirit is >> Yep. He persists if the spirit is uncooperative. uncooperative. uncooperative. He ref he refuses the spirit's return. He ref he refuses the spirit's return. He ref he refuses the spirit's return. And then he always sends the spirit into And then he always sends the spirit into And then he always sends the spirit into the abyss. So, the abyss. So, the abyss. So, >> uh, if I could just give you three words >> uh, if I could just give you three words >> uh, if I could just give you three words for how to do this, just to summarize for how to do this, just to summarize for how to do this, just to summarize all of that, all of that, all of that, >> you expose the spirit. So, you confront >> you expose the spirit. So, you confront >> you expose the spirit. So, you confront the demon directly. the demon directly. the demon directly. >> Recognize the evil. >> Recognize the evil. >> Recognize the evil. >> That's right. You engage the spirit. You >> That's right. You engage the spirit. You >> That's right. You engage the spirit. You verbally command that it identify verbally command that it identify verbally command that it identify itself. What's your name? What's your itself. What's your name? What's your itself. What's your name? What's your function? What's your point of entry? function? What's your point of entry? function? What's your point of entry? And then you expel it. You cast it out. And then you expel it. You cast it out. And then you expel it. You cast it out. And again, it seems so simple. And I And again, it seems so simple. And I And again, it seems so simple. And I want to be clear. This is not something want to be clear. This is not something want to be clear. This is not something that we should be intimidated by that we should be intimidated by that we should be intimidated by >> because >> because >> because >> we're scared of. >> we're scared of. >> we're scared of. >> We know what the source of our power is. >> We know what the source of our power is. >> We know what the source of our power is. >> The source of our power is one that is >> The source of our power is one that is >> The source of our power is one that is within you, greater than he that is within you, greater than he that is within you, greater than he that is without you. For he that is within you without you. For he that is within you without you. For he that is within you is greater than he that is in the world.

is greater than he that is in the world. is greater than he that is in the world. So you have the power not by way of you, So you have the power not by way of you, So you have the power not by way of you, but by way of him. And so walk in the but by way of him. And so walk in the but by way of him. And so walk in the confidence that these things they will confidence that these things they will confidence that these things they will be effective so long as you're faithful be effective so long as you're faithful be effective so long as you're faithful to exercise them. to exercise them. to exercise them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm thinking of what's the the >> Yeah. I'm thinking of what's the the >> Yeah. I'm thinking of what's the the story where the disciples are trying to story where the disciples are trying to story where the disciples are trying to do this and they come back to Jesus and do this and they come back to Jesus and do this and they come back to Jesus and they're like, "Hey, it's not working." they're like, "Hey, it's not working." they're like, "Hey, it's not working." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And he says, "This kind can only be cast >> And he says, "This kind can only be cast >> And he says, "This kind can only be cast out by prayer and fasting." out by prayer and fasting." out by prayer and fasting." >> Yeah, man. That's a really interesting >> Yeah, man. That's a really interesting >> Yeah, man. That's a really interesting example and I'm really glad you brought example and I'm really glad you brought example and I'm really glad you brought it up because uh what we see in that it up because uh what we see in that it up because uh what we see in that story as Jesus's disciples are story as Jesus's disciples are story as Jesus's disciples are confronted by a deaf mute spirit is this confronted by a deaf mute spirit is this confronted by a deaf mute spirit is this modern method that I just shared with modern method that I just shared with modern method that I just shared with you is confronted because the demon you is confronted because the demon you is confronted because the demon can't speak can't speak can't speak >> its name. Uh they know that they're >> its name. Uh they know that they're >> its name. Uh they know that they're unable to understand its point of entry unable to understand its point of entry unable to understand its point of entry because it cannot articulate these because it cannot articulate these because it cannot articulate these things to them. And so, and neither can things to them. And so, and neither can things to them. And so, and neither can the boy that is possessed or demonized the boy that is possessed or demonized the boy that is possessed or demonized by the spirit because he is equally deaf by the spirit because he is equally deaf by the spirit because he is equally deaf and mute. and mute. and mute. >> Right?

>> Right? >> Right? >> And yet, I love this. According to >> And yet, I love this. According to >> And yet, I love this. According to ancient Jewish tradition, there were ancient Jewish tradition, there were ancient Jewish tradition, there were three signs that would be um that would three signs that would be um that would three signs that would be um that would be characteristically true of the be characteristically true of the be characteristically true of the Messiah upon arrival. And one of those Messiah upon arrival. And one of those Messiah upon arrival. And one of those messianic signs was the exorcism or the messianic signs was the exorcism or the messianic signs was the exorcism or the casting out of a mute deaf spirit. casting out of a mute deaf spirit. casting out of a mute deaf spirit. >> Because what Jesus does is he does not >> Because what Jesus does is he does not >> Because what Jesus does is he does not require its name require its name require its name >> because the demon already knows his. We >> because the demon already knows his. We >> because the demon already knows his. We see this in other stories where I think see this in other stories where I think see this in other stories where I think it was the demoniac that showed up. Yes. it was the demoniac that showed up. Yes. it was the demoniac that showed up. Yes. >> And almost exercised clairvoyance like >> And almost exercised clairvoyance like >> And almost exercised clairvoyance like didn't even need to ask Jesus who he didn't even need to ask Jesus who he didn't even need to ask Jesus who he was. Knew that he was the son of God. So was. Knew that he was the son of God. So was. Knew that he was the son of God. So there is a recognition of his lordship, there is a recognition of his lordship, there is a recognition of his lordship, his supremacy is a better word for it. his supremacy is a better word for it. his supremacy is a better word for it. >> And so in this story they realize like >> And so in this story they realize like >> And so in this story they realize like shoot like our method doesn't work. And shoot like our method doesn't work. And shoot like our method doesn't work. And yet Jesus looks at him and says it's by yet Jesus looks at him and says it's by yet Jesus looks at him and says it's by prayer and fasting. Like even when your prayer and fasting. Like even when your prayer and fasting. Like even when your method doesn't seem to be working, you method doesn't seem to be working, you method doesn't seem to be working, you should continue to persist should continue to persist should continue to persist through the means of an increased through the means of an increased through the means of an increased dependence upon the one through whom the dependence upon the one through whom the dependence upon the one through whom the power flows. So Jesus like, "Hey, just power flows. So Jesus like, "Hey, just power flows. So Jesus like, "Hey, just keep praying. like keep praying, keep keep praying. like keep praying, keep keep praying. like keep praying, keep seeking, keeping on me.

seeking, keeping on me. seeking, keeping on me. >> And I I this is maybe not the moment. >> And I I this is maybe not the moment. >> And I I this is maybe not the moment. You can tell me, we can share later. I You can tell me, we can share later. I You can tell me, we can share later. I have had personal experience with this. have had personal experience with this. have had personal experience with this. My most recent encounter where we My most recent encounter where we My most recent encounter where we actually engaged with a young lady here actually engaged with a young lady here actually engaged with a young lady here at the church that was that was at the church that was that was at the church that was that was demonized. It was an incredibly demonized. It was an incredibly demonized. It was an incredibly uncooperative evil spirit. uncooperative evil spirit. uncooperative evil spirit. >> Uh I've had instances where I've shown >> Uh I've had instances where I've shown >> Uh I've had instances where I've shown up and it's been like that. up and it's been like that. up and it's been like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> An easy expulsion. But this was one >> An easy expulsion. But this was one >> An easy expulsion. But this was one where it felt like the demon was digging where it felt like the demon was digging where it felt like the demon was digging its heels in. And so we dug our hills in its heels in. And so we dug our hills in its heels in. And so we dug our hills in too. And we continued to pray, not in too. And we continued to pray, not in too. And we continued to pray, not in any kind of fear, any kind of fear, any kind of fear, but out of a faith that if we continue but out of a faith that if we continue but out of a faith that if we continue in the work of this, if we pray and we in the work of this, if we pray and we in the work of this, if we pray and we lean further into the power of God, we lean further into the power of God, we lean further into the power of God, we will in fact see this girl delivered. will in fact see this girl delivered. will in fact see this girl delivered. And we did. And we did. And we did. >> Yeah. It was amazing. >> Yeah. It was amazing. >> Yeah. It was amazing. >> Praise God. >> Praise God. >> Praise God. >> I know. It's crazy. It's like, man, this >> I know. It's crazy. It's like, man, this >> I know. It's crazy. It's like, man, this stuff is real. It's not just theory, you stuff is real. It's not just theory, you stuff is real. It's not just theory, you know? know? know? >> It's real. Yeah. So, I as we wrap up, >> It's real. Yeah. So, I as we wrap up, >> It's real. Yeah. So, I as we wrap up, there's there's probably some some there's there's probably some some there's there's probably some some people listening to this people listening to this people listening to this >> and they're like, "Hey, Kylin, I I hear >> and they're like, "Hey, Kylin, I I hear >> and they're like, "Hey, Kylin, I I hear you. I I see the scripture references you. I I see the scripture references you. I I see the scripture references you're using to support these ideas, but you're using to support these ideas, but you're using to support these ideas, but honestly, that scares me.

honestly, that scares me. honestly, that scares me. >> Like, if I was there instead of you and >> Like, if I was there instead of you and >> Like, if I was there instead of you and encountered that girl, I would be really encountered that girl, I would be really encountered that girl, I would be really terrified terrified terrified >> or I'm [clears throat] this feels >> or I'm [clears throat] this feels >> or I'm [clears throat] this feels uncomfortable because my whole life uncomfortable because my whole life uncomfortable because my whole life nobody's ever taught me about this." nobody's ever taught me about this." nobody's ever taught me about this." Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> What would you say to that person? >> What would you say to that person? >> What would you say to that person? >> Those are all normal feelings. >> Those are all normal feelings. >> Those are all normal feelings. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To have this stuff, I think, can feel >> To have this stuff, I think, can feel >> To have this stuff, I think, can feel because we don't have a really common because we don't have a really common because we don't have a really common category for it. category for it. category for it. >> It can feel so intimidating. >> It can feel so intimidating. >> It can feel so intimidating. >> And yet I again, we've already said >> And yet I again, we've already said >> And yet I again, we've already said this. I want I want my theology to this. I want I want my theology to this. I want I want my theology to inform my experience. inform my experience. inform my experience. >> Not my experience inform my theology. >> Not my experience inform my theology. >> Not my experience inform my theology. And what I want is I want to line my And what I want is I want to line my And what I want is I want to line my life up with everything the word speaks life up with everything the word speaks life up with everything the word speaks of. This is not rumor. This is reality. of. This is not rumor. This is reality. of. This is not rumor. This is reality. And so knowing this is true, I should And so knowing this is true, I should And so knowing this is true, I should not be caught off guard whenever what not be caught off guard whenever what not be caught off guard whenever what was once spoken of is now actually was once spoken of is now actually was once spoken of is now actually experienced firsthand. What I would say experienced firsthand. What I would say experienced firsthand. What I would say to you is this, and this is where I take to you is this, and this is where I take to you is this, and this is where I take a lot of comfort. Number one, you need a lot of comfort. Number one, you need a lot of comfort. Number one, you need to we've said this, but you need to to we've said this, but you need to to we've said this, but you need to recognize like uh 1 John 5 says the recognize like uh 1 John 5 says the recognize like uh 1 John 5 says the whole world lies in the power of the whole world lies in the power of the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. Like he is the he is the evil one. Like he is the he is the evil one. Like he is the he is the >> the prince of the power of the >> the prince of the power of the >> the prince of the power of the >> that's exactly >> that's exactly >> that's exactly >> present. And yet though that is true, >> present. And yet though that is true, >> present. And yet though that is true, Colossians 2:15 tells us he talking Colossians 2:15 tells us he talking Colossians 2:15 tells us he talking about Christ disarmed the rulers and about Christ disarmed the rulers and about Christ disarmed the rulers and authorities and he put them to open authorities and he put them to open authorities and he put them to open shame by triumphing over them in him.

shame by triumphing over them in him. shame by triumphing over them in him. And so for me, we fight a defeated foe. And so for me, we fight a defeated foe. And so for me, we fight a defeated foe. >> Like 1 John 3 says actually right before >> Like 1 John 3 says actually right before >> Like 1 John 3 says actually right before that passage about the power of the evil that passage about the power of the evil that passage about the power of the evil one that the son of God appeared to one that the son of God appeared to one that the son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil and he destroy the works of the devil and he destroy the works of the devil and he has done so. Mhm. has done so. Mhm. has done so. Mhm. >> And so we are engaged in a war but we >> And so we are engaged in a war but we >> And so we are engaged in a war but we already know the outcome of which that already know the outcome of which that already know the outcome of which that war will end and it is in our favor. So war will end and it is in our favor. So war will end and it is in our favor. So we fight from victory not for it. So at we fight from victory not for it. So at we fight from victory not for it. So at some level this should be empowering to some level this should be empowering to some level this should be empowering to you not intimidating to you. you not intimidating to you. you not intimidating to you. >> So I would tell you again >> So I would tell you again >> So I would tell you again you continue to walk with Christ. You you continue to walk with Christ. You you continue to walk with Christ. You trust in God and as you move with him, trust in God and as you move with him, trust in God and as you move with him, you'll find yourself engaging people you'll find yourself engaging people you'll find yourself engaging people like he engaged and you be prepared as like he engaged and you be prepared as like he engaged and you be prepared as you do because they need you for Christ you do because they need you for Christ you do because they need you for Christ is in you and he has come for them. is in you and he has come for them. is in you and he has come for them. >> Amen. Kylin, that feels like a great >> Amen. Kylin, that feels like a great >> Amen. Kylin, that feels like a great place to end. Great reminders. Thank you place to end. Great reminders. Thank you place to end. Great reminders. Thank you for saying yes to coming on tackling a for saying yes to coming on tackling a for saying yes to coming on tackling a hard topic, a debated topic. I just hard topic, a debated topic. I just hard topic, a debated topic. I just anytime I get an email from Join the anytime I get an email from Join the anytime I get an email from Join the Journey, I know it's going to take some Journey, I know it's going to take some Journey, I know it's going to take some prep. [laughter] I'm like, "Oh man, this prep. [laughter] I'm like, "Oh man, this prep. [laughter] I'm like, "Oh man, this one's going to be tough." But it is my one's going to be tough." But it is my one's going to be tough." But it is my honor. I'm so glad to be here.

honor. I'm so glad to be here. honor. I'm so glad to be here. >> I'm glad you said yes. And as always, >> I'm glad you said yes. And as always, >> I'm glad you said yes. And as always, I'm so glad we're all on [music] this I'm so glad we're all on [music] this I'm so glad we're all on [music] this journey abiding in Jesus together.