E462 Knowing God Through the Old Testament with Christopher Wright

As a part of the Navigating the Bible As a part of the Navigating the Bible series, one of the questions I always series, one of the questions I always series, one of the questions I always ask is, "What does this book teach us ask is, "What does this book teach us ask is, "What does this book teach us about God?" Now, the answer is almost about God?" Now, the answer is almost about God?" Now, the answer is almost always, well, a lot. always, well, a lot. always, well, a lot. And that's because the Old Testament is And that's because the Old Testament is And that's because the Old Testament is an invitation to look at the biggest an invitation to look at the biggest an invitation to look at the biggest question of the universe. question of the universe. question of the universe. Who? That's right. The biggest question Who? That's right. The biggest question Who? That's right. The biggest question is not why, it's who. is not why, it's who. is not why, it's who. As we read and study scripture, we learn As we read and study scripture, we learn As we read and study scripture, we learn that the who is God. And he exists in that the who is God. And he exists in that the who is God. And he exists in three persons. God the Father, God the three persons. God the Father, God the three persons. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit. Son, and God the Spirit. Son, and God the Spirit. So, as I was thinking about how to put a So, as I was thinking about how to put a So, as I was thinking about how to put a bow on our time together, navigating bow on our time together, navigating bow on our time together, navigating through the Old Testament, I thought through the Old Testament, I thought through the Old Testament, I thought about a trilogy of books about a trilogy of books about a trilogy of books by Dr. Christopher Wright. by Dr. Christopher Wright. by Dr. Christopher Wright. They are knowing God the Father through They are knowing God the Father through They are knowing God the Father through the Old Testament, knowing Jesus through the Old Testament, knowing Jesus through the Old Testament, knowing Jesus through the Old Testament, and knowing the Holy the Old Testament, and knowing the Holy the Old Testament, and knowing the Holy Spirit through the Old Testament.

Spirit through the Old Testament. Spirit through the Old Testament. These three books are now presented in a These three books are now presented in a These three books are now presented in a single volume called Knowing God through single volume called Knowing God through single volume called Knowing God through the Old Testament. And so I thought, the Old Testament. And so I thought, the Old Testament. And so I thought, well, what a perfect way to capstone well, what a perfect way to capstone well, what a perfect way to capstone this series by focusing on how we can this series by focusing on how we can this series by focusing on how we can know God through the Old Testament. know God through the Old Testament. know God through the Old Testament. So my guest today is Dr. So my guest today is Dr. So my guest today is Dr. Christopher Wright, international Christopher Wright, international Christopher Wright, international ministries director for the Langum ministries director for the Langum ministries director for the Langum Partnership and author of many books and Partnership and author of many books and Partnership and author of many books and commentaries. commentaries. commentaries. I honestly had considered asking Chris I honestly had considered asking Chris I honestly had considered asking Chris like throughout this whole Old Testament like throughout this whole Old Testament like throughout this whole Old Testament series to speak on a number of different series to speak on a number of different series to speak on a number of different books uh because he's written on so many books uh because he's written on so many books uh because he's written on so many of them. But I wanted to save him to of them. But I wanted to save him to of them. But I wanted to save him to recap the Old Testament. So here we are recap the Old Testament. So here we are recap the Old Testament. So here we are today. My name is Jason Wheelen and this today. My name is Jason Wheelen and this today. My name is Jason Wheelen and this is Dable Disciplehip. Navigating the is Dable Disciplehip. Navigating the is Dable Disciplehip. Navigating the Bible, Bible, Bible, knowing God through the Old Testament.

All right. I'm joined today by All right. I'm joined today by Chris Wright. Chris, thanks for being Chris Wright. Chris, thanks for being Chris Wright. Chris, thanks for being here today. I'm so thrilled to get to here today. I'm so thrilled to get to here today. I'm so thrilled to get to talk with you. We have just gone through talk with you. We have just gone through talk with you. We have just gone through every book of the Old Testament. It was every book of the Old Testament. It was every book of the Old Testament. It was quite the undertaking, but I'm thrilled quite the undertaking, but I'm thrilled quite the undertaking, but I'm thrilled that we're here and I I'm excited to get that we're here and I I'm excited to get that we're here and I I'm excited to get to put kind of a capstone on this today to put kind of a capstone on this today to put kind of a capstone on this today and talking with you about the grand a and talking with you about the grand a and talking with you about the grand a narrative of the Old Testament about narrative of the Old Testament about narrative of the Old Testament about knowing Jesus, God the Father, and the knowing Jesus, God the Father, and the knowing Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit through the Old Testament Holy Spirit through the Old Testament Holy Spirit through the Old Testament and everything else that we're going to and everything else that we're going to and everything else that we're going to get into today. So, thanks for being get into today. So, thanks for being get into today. So, thanks for being here. here. here. >> Yeah, thank you, Jason. It's good to be >> Yeah, thank you, Jason. It's good to be >> Yeah, thank you, Jason. It's good to be with you. And it's amazing to think of with you. And it's amazing to think of with you. And it's amazing to think of people thinking about and listening to people thinking about and listening to people thinking about and listening to every book of the Old Testament. Well, every book of the Old Testament. Well, every book of the Old Testament. Well, of the whole Bible, but of the Old of the whole Bible, but of the Old of the whole Bible, but of the Old Testament especially. Yeah, that's a Testament especially. Yeah, that's a Testament especially. Yeah, that's a good thing. Yes, it's it's been so fun good thing. Yes, it's it's been so fun good thing. Yes, it's it's been so fun to get to talk with different scholars to get to talk with different scholars to get to talk with different scholars who've just spent their careers, spent who've just spent their careers, spent who've just spent their careers, spent decades studying these books and getting decades studying these books and getting decades studying these books and getting to write about it and pour into it. And to write about it and pour into it. And to write about it and pour into it. And you are one of those who likes to take you are one of those who likes to take you are one of those who likes to take the Old Testament specifically as as a the Old Testament specifically as as a the Old Testament specifically as as a whole here too and put some grand whole here too and put some grand whole here too and put some grand thought into it. So I wanted to ask how thought into it. So I wanted to ask how thought into it. So I wanted to ask how would you describe the grand narrative would you describe the grand narrative would you describe the grand narrative of the Old Testament and and why should of the Old Testament and and why should of the Old Testament and and why should people particularly Christians but open people particularly Christians but open people particularly Christians but open it up beyond why should people continue it up beyond why should people continue it up beyond why should people continue reading the Old Testament today?

reading the Old Testament today? reading the Old Testament today? >> Well that's a great question and even >> Well that's a great question and even >> Well that's a great question and even the very fact of asking it um shows in the very fact of asking it um shows in the very fact of asking it um shows in some ways how far we have gone from what some ways how far we have gone from what some ways how far we have gone from what the early church had. Uh I mean we you the early church had. Uh I mean we you the early church had. Uh I mean we you you know we asked that question. Is the you know we asked that question. Is the you know we asked that question. Is the Old Testament relevant for Christians? Old Testament relevant for Christians? Old Testament relevant for Christians? That wasn't a question that the early That wasn't a question that the early That wasn't a question that the early Christians asked. Their question was are Christians asked. Their question was are Christians asked. Their question was are we being biblical? Are we being we being biblical? Are we being we being biblical? Are we being scriptural? Because for them the Old scriptural? Because for them the Old scriptural? Because for them the Old Testament was the scriptures. It was the Testament was the scriptures. It was the Testament was the scriptures. It was the scriptures of Jesus. It was the scriptures of Jesus. It was the scriptures of Jesus. It was the scriptures of the apostles. Uh Jesus scriptures of the apostles. Uh Jesus scriptures of the apostles. Uh Jesus never read the New Testament. I like to never read the New Testament. I like to never read the New Testament. I like to remind people. Um so the Old Testament remind people. Um so the Old Testament remind people. Um so the Old Testament is is is vitally important for the is is is vitally important for the is is is vitally important for the Christian faith. And a reason for that Christian faith. And a reason for that Christian faith. And a reason for that is that basically it tells about half or is that basically it tells about half or is that basically it tells about half or threequarters of the true story of the threequarters of the true story of the threequarters of the true story of the universe, which is what the whole Bible universe, which is what the whole Bible universe, which is what the whole Bible is. The Bible is the narrative, God's is. The Bible is the narrative, God's is. The Bible is the narrative, God's revelation of the story from creation revelation of the story from creation revelation of the story from creation through to new creation when Christ through to new creation when Christ through to new creation when Christ returns. Uh and if we don't read the Old returns. Uh and if we don't read the Old returns. Uh and if we don't read the Old Testament, then we basically lose the Testament, then we basically lose the Testament, then we basically lose the plot. plot. plot. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh we we aren't aware of where the story >> Uh we we aren't aware of where the story >> Uh we we aren't aware of where the story has come from. Uh we've lost its its has come from. Uh we've lost its its has come from. Uh we've lost its its beginning and creation, the the the beginning and creation, the the the beginning and creation, the the the fall. we also lose the great promises of fall. we also lose the great promises of fall. we also lose the great promises of God uh and his self-revelation as the God uh and his self-revelation as the God uh and his self-revelation as the God of the people of Old Testament God of the people of Old Testament God of the people of Old Testament Israel and all that he then works Israel and all that he then works Israel and all that he then works through them. So the the great acts of through them. So the the great acts of through them. So the the great acts of the biblical drama um start in the Old the biblical drama um start in the Old the biblical drama um start in the Old Testament and without the Old Testament Testament and without the Old Testament Testament and without the Old Testament we really do not understand Jesus well.

we really do not understand Jesus well. we really do not understand Jesus well. I mean we can obviously relate to him. I mean we can obviously relate to him. I mean we can obviously relate to him. We can enter into his salvation. We can We can enter into his salvation. We can We can enter into his salvation. We can believe in him for forgiveness and so believe in him for forgiveness and so believe in him for forgiveness and so on. But if you really want to know who on. But if you really want to know who on. But if you really want to know who he is, uh know who he thought he was he is, uh know who he thought he was he is, uh know who he thought he was himself. himself. himself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh and who the apostles knew that he was >> Uh and who the apostles knew that he was >> Uh and who the apostles knew that he was or came to believe that he was, we need or came to believe that he was, we need or came to believe that he was, we need the scriptures. So uh it's that great the scriptures. So uh it's that great the scriptures. So uh it's that great part of the overarching biblical part of the overarching biblical part of the overarching biblical narrative from creation to new creation narrative from creation to new creation narrative from creation to new creation of which what we now call the old of which what we now call the old of which what we now call the old testament uh is the first great testament uh is the first great testament uh is the first great installment of God's self-revelation. installment of God's self-revelation. installment of God's self-revelation. >> Yeah. I think what was a a a really fun >> Yeah. I think what was a a a really fun >> Yeah. I think what was a a a really fun and important point of having done the and important point of having done the and important point of having done the exercise of going through each book is exercise of going through each book is exercise of going through each book is to make it clear and aware that these to make it clear and aware that these to make it clear and aware that these books that there is so much to learn to books that there is so much to learn to books that there is so much to learn to glean of not just the narrative of why glean of not just the narrative of why glean of not just the narrative of why but also the focus on who on who God and but also the focus on who on who God and but also the focus on who on who God and so so it's we all wrestle with the so so it's we all wrestle with the so so it's we all wrestle with the question of why and if you want to know question of why and if you want to know question of why and if you want to know like why God decided to make everything like why God decided to make everything like why God decided to make everything great. Like you can read through the Old great. Like you can read through the Old great. Like you can read through the Old Testament and you can see this coming to Testament and you can see this coming to Testament and you can see this coming to light. But the more important question light. But the more important question light. But the more important question is that who who God is and how he is that who who God is and how he is that who who God is and how he reveals himself. And what the Old reveals himself. And what the Old reveals himself. And what the Old Testament makes so abundantly clear is Testament makes so abundantly clear is Testament makes so abundantly clear is God desired a relationship with people.

God desired a relationship with people. God desired a relationship with people. He he decided he he he desired a family. He he decided he he he desired a family. He he decided he he he desired a family. And it's and the whole story is And it's and the whole story is And it's and the whole story is basically a long scale family drama that basically a long scale family drama that basically a long scale family drama that is unfolding is unfolding is unfolding throughout. throughout. throughout. >> Exactly. Abs. Absolutely. And I think >> Exactly. Abs. Absolutely. And I think >> Exactly. Abs. Absolutely. And I think the way you put it there that it's not the way you put it there that it's not the way you put it there that it's not just a Y, it's a who. Um is very just a Y, it's a who. Um is very just a Y, it's a who. Um is very important because you know in English we important because you know in English we important because you know in English we just use this word God d. And we think just use this word God d. And we think just use this word God d. And we think we know what it what it refers to. But we know what it what it refers to. But we know what it what it refers to. But of course it's just an Anglo-Saxon mono of course it's just an Anglo-Saxon mono of course it's just an Anglo-Saxon mono syllable. It doesn't really have any syllable. It doesn't really have any syllable. It doesn't really have any meaning until you uh dig into who what meaning until you uh dig into who what meaning until you uh dig into who what what do we mean? I mean in ancient what do we mean? I mean in ancient what do we mean? I mean in ancient Europe the gods were just you know the Europe the gods were just you know the Europe the gods were just you know the gods of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, gods of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, gods of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, sun and the moon and Thursday, Friday, sun and the moon and Thursday, Friday, sun and the moon and everything else. Uh and so God is is everything else. Uh and so God is is everything else. Uh and so God is is meaningless unless it's interpreted in meaningless unless it's interpreted in meaningless unless it's interpreted in terms of the who the person the identity terms of the who the person the identity terms of the who the person the identity >> and so and that it's quite important >> and so and that it's quite important >> and so and that it's quite important even when you come to the person of even when you come to the person of even when you come to the person of Jesus because if you ask somebody do you Jesus because if you ask somebody do you Jesus because if you ask somebody do you believe that Jesus was God you're you're believe that Jesus was God you're you're believe that Jesus was God you're you're asking them a question that really is asking them a question that really is asking them a question that really is unanswerable unless you have defined unanswerable unless you have defined unanswerable unless you have defined what you mean by God. Who is the God what you mean by God. Who is the God what you mean by God. Who is the God that we're saying Jesus is? Yeah. Uh and that we're saying Jesus is? Yeah. Uh and that we're saying Jesus is? Yeah. Uh and in fact the Bible never quite puts it in fact the Bible never quite puts it in fact the Bible never quite puts it like that that just Jesus is God. No, like that that just Jesus is God. No, like that that just Jesus is God. No, what it says is the God, the God who what it says is the God, the God who what it says is the God, the God who reveals himself in the scriptures of reveals himself in the scriptures of reveals himself in the scriptures of Israel, the God whose name was known, Israel, the God whose name was known, Israel, the God whose name was known, the God who is the God of Abraham and of the God who is the God of Abraham and of the God who is the God of Abraham and of Moses and of the Exodus and of Moses and of the Exodus and of Moses and of the Exodus and of salvation. The God of justice and salvation. The God of justice and salvation. The God of justice and compassion. This God, the who God, compassion. This God, the who God, compassion. This God, the who God, >> this is the God who has walked among us >> this is the God who has walked among us >> this is the God who has walked among us in the flesh in the person of Jesus. Uh in the flesh in the person of Jesus. Uh in the flesh in the person of Jesus. Uh so it's identifying God in the in the so it's identifying God in the in the so it's identifying God in the in the terms of the scriptures where he reveals terms of the scriptures where he reveals terms of the scriptures where he reveals himself, his character, his name, his

himself, his character, his name, his himself, his character, his name, his person, his purposes and plans, what person, his purposes and plans, what person, his purposes and plans, what he's about, what is his mission, what's he's about, what is his mission, what's he's about, what is his mission, what's he trying to achieve. Once we get hold he trying to achieve. Once we get hold he trying to achieve. Once we get hold of who the God is, then the incredible of who the God is, then the incredible of who the God is, then the incredible thing is to fit Jesus into that picture. thing is to fit Jesus into that picture. thing is to fit Jesus into that picture. I mean, that's that was the struggle of I mean, that's that was the struggle of I mean, that's that was the struggle of the earliest followers of Jesus. How who the earliest followers of Jesus. How who the earliest followers of Jesus. How who is this guy? Who who is this Jesus of is this guy? Who who is this Jesus of is this guy? Who who is this Jesus of Nazareth? How come the wind and the Nazareth? How come the wind and the Nazareth? How come the wind and the waves obey him? Only only Yahweh, the waves obey him? Only only Yahweh, the waves obey him? Only only Yahweh, the God of Israel, you know, controls the God of Israel, you know, controls the God of Israel, you know, controls the weather. Um, who is this who claims to weather. Um, who is this who claims to weather. Um, who is this who claims to forgive sins? Only God forgives sins. forgive sins? Only God forgives sins. forgive sins? Only God forgives sins. Yeah, exactly. You know, Yeah, exactly. You know, Yeah, exactly. You know, >> bingo. Spot on. Yeah. So, but it was a >> bingo. Spot on. Yeah. So, but it was a >> bingo. Spot on. Yeah. So, but it was a long time before that bingo dropped, you long time before that bingo dropped, you long time before that bingo dropped, you know, because their concept, their know, because their concept, their know, because their concept, their knowledge of the living God was so rich knowledge of the living God was so rich knowledge of the living God was so rich and so powerful, and so powerful, and so powerful, >> the who of the God they worshiped uh >> the who of the God they worshiped uh >> the who of the God they worshiped uh that to somehow see this God embodied uh that to somehow see this God embodied uh that to somehow see this God embodied uh in Jesus, the son of Joseph and Mary, in Jesus, the son of Joseph and Mary, in Jesus, the son of Joseph and Mary, whom they had known and seen grew up as whom they had known and seen grew up as whom they had known and seen grew up as a boy, you know, there he was. He you a boy, you know, there he was. He you a boy, you know, there he was. He you mean this is the Lord? mean this is the Lord? mean this is the Lord? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, it took a while. Um, so that's why >> So, it took a while. Um, so that's why >> So, it took a while. Um, so that's why it's not it's not, you know, just to say it's not it's not, you know, just to say it's not it's not, you know, just to say was Jesus God, was he not God? That's was Jesus God, was he not God? That's was Jesus God, was he not God? That's too easy a question. And really it it's too easy a question. And really it it's too easy a question. And really it it's the wrong question because it it assumes the wrong question because it it assumes the wrong question because it it assumes that we know what we mean by the word that we know what we mean by the word that we know what we mean by the word go, God. Well, and that's really the go, God. Well, and that's really the go, God. Well, and that's really the heart of what we want to talk about heart of what we want to talk about heart of what we want to talk about today. You had written a trilogy of today. You had written a trilogy of today. You had written a trilogy of books called Knowing God through the Old books called Knowing God through the Old books called Knowing God through the Old Testament. And that looks at knowing God Testament. And that looks at knowing God Testament. And that looks at knowing God the Father, knowing the Holy Spirit, and the Father, knowing the Holy Spirit, and the Father, knowing the Holy Spirit, and knowing Jesus through the Old Testament.

knowing Jesus through the Old Testament. knowing Jesus through the Old Testament. And so what I'm excited about today is And so what I'm excited about today is And so what I'm excited about today is to unpack to unpack to unpack uh how we see those. In every uh how we see those. In every uh how we see those. In every conversation that we've done through the conversation that we've done through the conversation that we've done through the Old Testament, we always ask the Old Testament, we always ask the Old Testament, we always ask the question um what does this book teach us question um what does this book teach us question um what does this book teach us about God and what does this book teach about God and what does this book teach about God and what does this book teach us about ourselves? And a big part of us about ourselves? And a big part of us about ourselves? And a big part of that is to help people, you know, there that is to help people, you know, there that is to help people, you know, there are a lot of Old Testament books that are a lot of Old Testament books that are a lot of Old Testament books that people end up skipping. that that's just people end up skipping. that that's just people end up skipping. that that's just kind of the reality is people kind of kind of the reality is people kind of kind of the reality is people kind of either breeze through or they're like, either breeze through or they're like, either breeze through or they're like, "Yeah, you know, I've never quite gotten "Yeah, you know, I've never quite gotten "Yeah, you know, I've never quite gotten to Micah or or yeah, I kind of just to Micah or or yeah, I kind of just to Micah or or yeah, I kind of just skipped over Leviticus cuz everybody skipped over Leviticus cuz everybody skipped over Leviticus cuz everybody tells me it's hard or whatever." But tells me it's hard or whatever." But tells me it's hard or whatever." But what we were trying to do through this what we were trying to do through this what we were trying to do through this series is to see, no, there are jewels series is to see, no, there are jewels series is to see, no, there are jewels in each of these books. And each of in each of these books. And each of in each of these books. And each of these books plays a part in the grand these books plays a part in the grand these books plays a part in the grand mosaic of helping us see who God is mosaic of helping us see who God is mosaic of helping us see who God is because this is how he reveals himself. because this is how he reveals himself. because this is how he reveals himself. So, let's start taking these members of So, let's start taking these members of So, let's start taking these members of the Trinity, if you will, one by one a the Trinity, if you will, one by one a the Trinity, if you will, one by one a little bit, right? little bit, right? little bit, right? >> So, how does the Old Testament help us >> So, how does the Old Testament help us >> So, how does the Old Testament help us know God the Father?

know God the Father? know God the Father? >> Good. Thank you. Good question. Um, and >> Good. Thank you. Good question. Um, and >> Good. Thank you. Good question. Um, and yes, just to say to your earlier yes, just to say to your earlier yes, just to say to your earlier comments, you know, yes, of course, uh, comments, you know, yes, of course, uh, comments, you know, yes, of course, uh, the Old Testament is a very complex the Old Testament is a very complex the Old Testament is a very complex library of books and and I don't want to library of books and and I don't want to library of books and and I don't want to make it sound like it's kind of easy. make it sound like it's kind of easy. make it sound like it's kind of easy. You're absolutely right. And some parts You're absolutely right. And some parts You're absolutely right. And some parts are are really, you know, quite are are really, you know, quite are are really, you know, quite difficult to get our heads around. But difficult to get our heads around. But difficult to get our heads around. But um even the New Testament seems to sort um even the New Testament seems to sort um even the New Testament seems to sort of recognize that there are, how can I of recognize that there are, how can I of recognize that there are, how can I put it? All the Bible is God's word. put it? All the Bible is God's word. put it? All the Bible is God's word. Paul tells us that clearly all Paul tells us that clearly all Paul tells us that clearly all scriptures breathed out by God. But scriptures breathed out by God. But scriptures breathed out by God. But there are some parts of the Old there are some parts of the Old there are some parts of the Old Testament scripture which do get more Testament scripture which do get more Testament scripture which do get more quoted in the New Testament as if to say quoted in the New Testament as if to say quoted in the New Testament as if to say and and those books are particularly and and those books are particularly and and those books are particularly Genesis and Deuteronomy and Isaiah and Genesis and Deuteronomy and Isaiah and Genesis and Deuteronomy and Isaiah and the Psalms and to a degree Jeremiah and the Psalms and to a degree Jeremiah and the Psalms and to a degree Jeremiah and and they are ones which in which people and they are ones which in which people and they are ones which in which people seem to here is where God really is seem to here is where God really is seem to here is where God really is speaking the narrative you know creation speaking the narrative you know creation speaking the narrative you know creation redemption covenant prophecy worship redemption covenant prophecy worship redemption covenant prophecy worship ethic. Uh, and so I I wouldn't I ethic. Uh, and so I I wouldn't I ethic. Uh, and so I I wouldn't I wouldn't down on people too much if they wouldn't down on people too much if they wouldn't down on people too much if they happen to have just missed out Micah or happen to have just missed out Micah or happen to have just missed out Micah or Esther. Esther. Esther. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> let's get round to them, but but let's >> let's get round to them, but but let's >> let's get round to them, but but let's see the the the skeleton, the backbone, see the the the skeleton, the backbone, see the the the skeleton, the backbone, the main thrust of the books as well.

the main thrust of the books as well. the main thrust of the books as well. So, just as just for people's So, just as just for people's So, just as just for people's encouragement, encouragement, encouragement, >> don't don't feel guilty if you haven't >> don't don't feel guilty if you haven't >> don't don't feel guilty if you haven't really yet read Habac, although you really yet read Habac, although you really yet read Habac, although you should have done because I've written a should have done because I've written a should have done because I've written a book on it. book on it. book on it. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Right. So, well, now God the Father. >> Right. So, well, now God the Father. >> Right. So, well, now God the Father. Well, of course, the interesting is that Well, of course, the interesting is that Well, of course, the interesting is that God is only rarely called God the father God is only rarely called God the father God is only rarely called God the father or the father in the Old Testament. Much or the father in the Old Testament. Much or the father in the Old Testament. Much more common he is king uh or he is lord more common he is king uh or he is lord more common he is king uh or he is lord uh or other neither other ways in which uh or other neither other ways in which uh or other neither other ways in which God is described. However, um when Jesus God is described. However, um when Jesus God is described. However, um when Jesus speaks to his father um he uses the word speaks to his father um he uses the word speaks to his father um he uses the word abba which means father and he's abba which means father and he's abba which means father and he's speaking to the god he worships as a speaking to the god he worships as a speaking to the god he worships as a human being the human Jesus. So who is human being the human Jesus. So who is human being the human Jesus. So who is the God whom Jesus is in relationship the God whom Jesus is in relationship the God whom Jesus is in relationship with when he's praying and when he's with when he's praying and when he's with when he's praying and when he's reading the scriptures in the synagogue? reading the scriptures in the synagogue? reading the scriptures in the synagogue? And the answer has to be he is thinking And the answer has to be he is thinking And the answer has to be he is thinking of he is conscious of the God whom he of he is conscious of the God whom he of he is conscious of the God whom he knows through the scriptures. The God knows through the scriptures. The God knows through the scriptures. The God whom we know through the scriptures. In whom we know through the scriptures. In whom we know through the scriptures. In other words, the so-called Old Testament other words, the so-called Old Testament other words, the so-called Old Testament God, which a lot of people mistakenly God, which a lot of people mistakenly God, which a lot of people mistakenly don't like, which is a great shame don't like, which is a great shame don't like, which is a great shame because he was no problem to Jesus. uh because he was no problem to Jesus. uh because he was no problem to Jesus. uh the God revealed in in the Old Testament the God revealed in in the Old Testament the God revealed in in the Old Testament of the scriptures is the God whom Jesus of the scriptures is the God whom Jesus of the scriptures is the God whom Jesus knew as father. So that's that's one knew as father. So that's that's one knew as father. So that's that's one reason why I say that when we read God reason why I say that when we read God reason why I say that when we read God acting in the scriptures of the Old acting in the scriptures of the Old acting in the scriptures of the Old Testament, we probably ought to think um Testament, we probably ought to think um Testament, we probably ought to think um if we're thinking of the Trinity at all if we're thinking of the Trinity at all if we're thinking of the Trinity at all >> uh of God as God the Father, although of >> uh of God as God the Father, although of >> uh of God as God the Father, although of course the Trinity has existed even

course the Trinity has existed even course the Trinity has existed even before creation um and before Israel or before creation um and before Israel or before creation um and before Israel or before the Old Testament. So the God before the Old Testament. So the God before the Old Testament. So the God who's be who is in the Old Testament is who's be who is in the Old Testament is who's be who is in the Old Testament is the God who is father, son, and holy the God who is father, son, and holy the God who is father, son, and holy spirit all the way through. We now know spirit all the way through. We now know spirit all the way through. We now know that. that. that. >> Um so that's the first thing to say. Um >> Um so that's the first thing to say. Um >> Um so that's the first thing to say. Um it's the father of Jesus. it's the father of Jesus. it's the father of Jesus. >> The other two ways in which the Old >> The other two ways in which the Old >> The other two ways in which the Old Testament speaks quite prominently about Testament speaks quite prominently about Testament speaks quite prominently about God as father. First of all, he's the God as father. First of all, he's the God as father. First of all, he's the father of Israel. He's the father of his father of Israel. He's the father of his father of Israel. He's the father of his people. people. people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh he's Moses is told by God to say to >> Uh he's Moses is told by God to say to >> Uh he's Moses is told by God to say to Pharaoh, "Israel is my firstborn son. So Pharaoh, "Israel is my firstborn son. So Pharaoh, "Israel is my firstborn son. So let my son go that he may worship and let my son go that he may worship and let my son go that he may worship and serve me. Uh what's my son doing as a serve me. Uh what's my son doing as a serve me. Uh what's my son doing as a slave to Pharaoh? You know the son of slave to Pharaoh? You know the son of slave to Pharaoh? You know the son of the living God uh should not be a slave the living God uh should not be a slave the living God uh should not be a slave to Pharaoh. So Israel then is conscious to Pharaoh. So Israel then is conscious to Pharaoh. So Israel then is conscious that God is the father of them as a that God is the father of them as a that God is the father of them as a nation. That comes through a few times. nation. That comes through a few times. nation. That comes through a few times. Um in Isaiah for example when the people Um in Isaiah for example when the people Um in Isaiah for example when the people are are struggling with suffering and are are struggling with suffering and are are struggling with suffering and you know why everything's going wrong. you know why everything's going wrong. you know why everything's going wrong. Uh they say it's in Isaiah 63 I think. Uh they say it's in Isaiah 63 I think. Uh they say it's in Isaiah 63 I think. Are you not our father? they say to God. Are you not our father? they say to God. Are you not our father? they say to God. Uh, and it goes even back to Deuteronomy Uh, and it goes even back to Deuteronomy Uh, and it goes even back to Deuteronomy 32 where God accuses Israel of 32 where God accuses Israel of 32 where God accuses Israel of neglecting the one who fathered you.

neglecting the one who fathered you. neglecting the one who fathered you. >> Um, Isaiah in Isaiah chapter 1 says, you >> Um, Isaiah in Isaiah chapter 1 says, you >> Um, Isaiah in Isaiah chapter 1 says, you know, even an ox knows its own manger. know, even an ox knows its own manger. know, even an ox knows its own manger. Even a, you know, a donkey comes back to Even a, you know, a donkey comes back to Even a, you know, a donkey comes back to its master. Uh, so I've raised sons and its master. Uh, so I've raised sons and its master. Uh, so I've raised sons and why are my sons not being honoring their why are my sons not being honoring their why are my sons not being honoring their father? So God is the father of the father? So God is the father of the father? So God is the father of the whole nation is one way of thinking whole nation is one way of thinking whole nation is one way of thinking about God as father and that's actually about God as father and that's actually about God as father and that's actually quite important because it also means quite important because it also means quite important because it also means that when we pray our father in the that when we pray our father in the that when we pray our father in the Lord's prayer Lord's prayer Lord's prayer >> yes he is my heavenly father but it is a >> yes he is my heavenly father but it is a >> yes he is my heavenly father but it is a corporate term as well. The second way corporate term as well. The second way corporate term as well. The second way in which the language of God as father in which the language of God as father in which the language of God as father is used is also he is the father of the is used is also he is the father of the is used is also he is the father of the king king king >> uh king David and then king David's sons >> uh king David and then king David's sons >> uh king David and then king David's sons and god says that explicitly uh in 1st and god says that explicitly uh in 1st and god says that explicitly uh in 1st Samuel chapter 7 um 2 Samuel 7 sorry Samuel chapter 7 um 2 Samuel 7 sorry Samuel chapter 7 um 2 Samuel 7 sorry when god is making his promise to David when god is making his promise to David when god is making his promise to David uh and says that when you know you you uh and says that when you know you you uh and says that when you know you you have a son I will be to him as a father have a son I will be to him as a father have a son I will be to him as a father he will be to me as a son uh and that he will be to me as a son uh and that he will be to me as a son uh and that will mean a relationship of authority will mean a relationship of authority will mean a relationship of authority and obedience and obedience and obedience A son is to obey the father, but it's A son is to obey the father, but it's A son is to obey the father, but it's also a relationship of love and also a relationship of love and also a relationship of love and protection. Um, and so God can say to protection. Um, and so God can say to protection. Um, and so God can say to David and David's uh heirs in Psalm 2 um David and David's uh heirs in Psalm 2 um David and David's uh heirs in Psalm 2 um you are I've God says today I have you are I've God says today I have you are I've God says today I have begotten you. You are my son. I am your begotten you. You are my son. I am your begotten you. You are my son. I am your father there in Psalm 2:7. Um, and so father there in Psalm 2:7. Um, and so father there in Psalm 2:7. Um, and so fatherhood of God in relation to Israel, fatherhood of God in relation to Israel, fatherhood of God in relation to Israel, in relation to the king, which means in relation to the king, which means in relation to the king, which means that when Jesus comes along and is

that when Jesus comes along and is that when Jesus comes along and is described as son of David, son of God, described as son of David, son of God, described as son of David, son of God, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> son of God was not yet quite a title >> son of God was not yet quite a title >> son of God was not yet quite a title that referred to what we now speak of that referred to what we now speak of that referred to what we now speak of the second person of the trinity. the second person of the trinity. the second person of the trinity. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It was a term which um for an average >> It was a term which um for an average >> It was a term which um for an average Israelite or Jew at that time would have Israelite or Jew at that time would have Israelite or Jew at that time would have had some resonance of a son of God can had some resonance of a son of God can had some resonance of a son of God can be a king. he he can be described as a be a king. he he can be described as a be a king. he he can be described as a son of god uh and Israel is a son of son of god uh and Israel is a son of son of god uh and Israel is a son of god. So it's not necessarily a term god. So it's not necessarily a term god. So it's not necessarily a term which was uh to a term of divinity which was uh to a term of divinity which was uh to a term of divinity completely although we now know because completely although we now know because completely although we now know because we know who Jesus was as the son of god we know who Jesus was as the son of god we know who Jesus was as the son of god uh that his father is the father who is uh that his father is the father who is uh that his father is the father who is the god we meet in the old testament the god we meet in the old testament the god we meet in the old testament that god reveals himself through the that god reveals himself through the that god reveals himself through the scriptures. Does that help? Yeah, it it scriptures. Does that help? Yeah, it it scriptures. Does that help? Yeah, it it helps to paint this picture of helps to paint this picture of helps to paint this picture of understanding what we're talking about understanding what we're talking about understanding what we're talking about as we see God the Father and we get as we see God the Father and we get as we see God the Father and we get these p it is it is interesting that as these p it is it is interesting that as these p it is it is interesting that as we as we as you look through the Old we as we as you look through the Old we as we as you look through the Old Testament is you can get these little Testament is you can get these little Testament is you can get these little glimpses of this language of God glimpses of this language of God glimpses of this language of God referring to Israel a as his children or referring to Israel a as his children or referring to Israel a as his children or or he makes a lot of illusions to the or he makes a lot of illusions to the or he makes a lot of illusions to the the the the >> or the relationship between a father and >> or the relationship between a father and >> or the relationship between a father and a child that comes up a lot especially a child that comes up a lot especially a child that comes up a lot especially in the prophets. We just talked about in the prophets. We just talked about in the prophets. We just talked about that with Malachi how there is a little that with Malachi how there is a little that with Malachi how there is a little picture of that in there.

picture of that in there. picture of that in there. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> And so we carry that through like into >> And so we carry that through like into >> And so we carry that through like into the New Testament with us when we really the New Testament with us when we really the New Testament with us when we really get an outline picture of this adoption get an outline picture of this adoption get an outline picture of this adoption theology too that comes into play. So it theology too that comes into play. So it theology too that comes into play. So it really uh it helps to it helps us as we really uh it helps to it helps us as we really uh it helps to it helps us as we bridge our understanding of our rightful bridge our understanding of our rightful bridge our understanding of our rightful relationship with God, relationship with God, relationship with God, >> right? And and that relationship by >> right? And and that relationship by >> right? And and that relationship by being in the Old Testament framed under being in the Old Testament framed under being in the Old Testament framed under the metaphor of father and child or the metaphor of father and child or the metaphor of father and child or children, sons or children children, sons or children children, sons or children has those dimensions which are has those dimensions which are has those dimensions which are associated with parenthood. associated with parenthood. associated with parenthood. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Namely um the the love uh you know you >> Namely um the the love uh you know you >> Namely um the the love uh you know you love and you protect your children but love and you protect your children but love and you protect your children but also authority. You expect obedience and also authority. You expect obedience and also authority. You expect obedience and love in return. And so it's it's a very love in return. And so it's it's a very love in return. And so it's it's a very relational thing um even more than relational thing um even more than relational thing um even more than kingship. although kings also were kingship. although kings also were kingship. although kings also were expected to provide and protect and so expected to provide and protect and so expected to provide and protect and so on. So I I think it in the Old Testament on. So I I think it in the Old Testament on. So I I think it in the Old Testament it is a metaphor and it's used very it is a metaphor and it's used very it is a metaphor and it's used very powerfully but it's not as prominent as powerfully but it's not as prominent as powerfully but it's not as prominent as other ways of speaking of God. Um it's other ways of speaking of God. Um it's other ways of speaking of God. Um it's also I think I say in my book that the also I think I say in my book that the also I think I say in my book that the book knowing knowing God the father book knowing knowing God the father book knowing knowing God the father through the old testament which is part through the old testament which is part through the old testament which is part of the trilogy. I do point out al of the trilogy. I do point out al of the trilogy. I do point out al although the word god as father is not although the word god as father is not although the word god as father is not he's not often referred to as father in he's not often referred to as father in he's not often referred to as father in the text they were aware of it simply by the text they were aware of it simply by the text they were aware of it simply by the fact that they could use names the fact that they could use names the fact that they could use names personal names for for for people personal names for for for people personal names for for for people which included the Hebrew word for which included the Hebrew word for which included the Hebrew word for father father father >> which is a or ab in English abijah

>> which is a or ab in English abijah >> which is a or ab in English abijah or abijah simply means yahweh is my or abijah simply means yahweh is my or abijah simply means yahweh is my father father father >> so any name that begins with ai or ends >> so any name that begins with ai or ends >> so any name that begins with ai or ends in yav uh a at the end like Jonadab or in yav uh a at the end like Jonadab or in yav uh a at the end like Jonadab or Eliab Eliab Eliab >> um those names are including the idea of >> um those names are including the idea of >> um those names are including the idea of father in it. So Eliab means um my God father in it. So Eliab means um my God father in it. So Eliab means um my God is father. is father. is father. >> So you know a man walking around with >> So you know a man walking around with >> So you know a man walking around with that name. that name. that name. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is saying something about God and and >> Is saying something about God and and >> Is saying something about God and and about his relationship with God. Uh so about his relationship with God. Uh so about his relationship with God. Uh so it's it's it wasn't obviously as as it's it's it wasn't obviously as as it's it's it wasn't obviously as as unknown as we might imagine. uh even unknown as we might imagine. uh even unknown as we might imagine. uh even though they're not I don't think they though they're not I don't think they though they're not I don't think they were thinking of God, father, son, and were thinking of God, father, son, and were thinking of God, father, son, and holy spirit in the way we do when holy spirit in the way we do when holy spirit in the way we do when because through the the deeper because through the the deeper because through the the deeper revelation of God in the New Testament, revelation of God in the New Testament, revelation of God in the New Testament, we know of the trinity, what we now call we know of the trinity, what we now call we know of the trinity, what we now call the trinity. Um but the the Israelites the trinity. Um but the the Israelites the trinity. Um but the the Israelites had that concept, too. had that concept, too. had that concept, too. >> Okay. So, I think that people can get a >> Okay. So, I think that people can get a >> Okay. So, I think that people can get a a a decent picture of how they can see a a decent picture of how they can see a a decent picture of how they can see God the Father through the Old God the Father through the Old God the Father through the Old Testament. I don't think that's probably Testament. I don't think that's probably Testament. I don't think that's probably uh hard for people as they're thinking uh hard for people as they're thinking uh hard for people as they're thinking through it. the Holy Spirit one that through it. the Holy Spirit one that through it. the Holy Spirit one that might be a little bit more of a huh like might be a little bit more of a huh like might be a little bit more of a huh like how am I how am I seeing the Holy Spirit how am I how am I seeing the Holy Spirit how am I how am I seeing the Holy Spirit through the Old Testament? So help walk through the Old Testament? So help walk through the Old Testament? So help walk help us walk through that.

help us walk through that. help us walk through that. >> Well, first of all, the the phrase Holy >> Well, first of all, the the phrase Holy >> Well, first of all, the the phrase Holy Spirit is only used in a few places uh Spirit is only used in a few places uh Spirit is only used in a few places uh in the Old Testament. Take not your holy in the Old Testament. Take not your holy in the Old Testament. Take not your holy spirit from your spirit of holiness. spirit from your spirit of holiness. spirit from your spirit of holiness. um um whether that's got the article in um um whether that's got the article in um um whether that's got the article in front of it as the Holy Spirit as as we front of it as the Holy Spirit as as we front of it as the Holy Spirit as as we think of since the day of Pentecost. think of since the day of Pentecost. think of since the day of Pentecost. However, what we do need to say is that However, what we do need to say is that However, what we do need to say is that the spirit of God is present in the Old the spirit of God is present in the Old the spirit of God is present in the Old Testament throughout in all kinds of Testament throughout in all kinds of Testament throughout in all kinds of ways. Um and many people are scarcely ways. Um and many people are scarcely ways. Um and many people are scarcely aware of it even though he turns up in aware of it even though he turns up in aware of it even though he turns up in the second verse of the Bible. the second verse of the Bible. the second verse of the Bible. >> Yeah, that's true. >> Yeah, that's true. >> Yeah, that's true. >> He's there in creation. The spirit of >> He's there in creation. The spirit of >> He's there in creation. The spirit of God is hovering over the waters. um you God is hovering over the waters. um you God is hovering over the waters. um you know the spirit is active in creation know the spirit is active in creation know the spirit is active in creation and that even that way that in the and that even that way that in the and that even that way that in the beginning God created the heavens and beginning God created the heavens and beginning God created the heavens and the earth and the spirit of God is there the earth and the spirit of God is there the earth and the spirit of God is there and God speaks and people have often and God speaks and people have often and God speaks and people have often said you know here's the uh God and the said you know here's the uh God and the said you know here's the uh God and the spirit and the word it's mysterious um spirit and the word it's mysterious um spirit and the word it's mysterious um and it sort of points towards the fuller and it sort of points towards the fuller and it sort of points towards the fuller understanding of God as trinity but understanding of God as trinity but understanding of God as trinity but certainly the spirit is there and then certainly the spirit is there and then certainly the spirit is there and then that that language of God is the that that language of God is the that that language of God is the creating spirit in my book by the way creating spirit in my book by the way creating spirit in my book by the way knowing the holy spirit there are five knowing the holy spirit there are five knowing the holy spirit there are five chapters There's five ways that I talk chapters There's five ways that I talk chapters There's five ways that I talk about the spirit and that's the first about the spirit and that's the first about the spirit and that's the first the creating spirit the creating spirit the creating spirit >> because then the the the first I don't >> because then the the the first I don't >> because then the the the first I don't know if I were to ask your listeners how know if I were to ask your listeners how know if I were to ask your listeners how well they've read the book of Exodus uh well they've read the book of Exodus uh well they've read the book of Exodus uh who are the first people in the Bible who are the first people in the Bible who are the first people in the Bible who are filled with the spirit.

who are filled with the spirit. who are filled with the spirit. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um and there are two gentlemen called >> Um and there are two gentlemen called >> Um and there are two gentlemen called Bezale and a Holab. Bezale and a Holab. Bezale and a Holab. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh and they are referred to in the in >> Uh and they are referred to in the in >> Uh and they are referred to in the in the crafting of the tabernacle because the crafting of the tabernacle because the crafting of the tabernacle because these were craftsmen. They were skilled these were craftsmen. They were skilled these were craftsmen. They were skilled in working in precious stones and metals in working in precious stones and metals in working in precious stones and metals and wood and all of that. And they're and wood and all of that. And they're and wood and all of that. And they're explicitly said to be filled with the explicitly said to be filled with the explicitly said to be filled with the spirit of the Lord for that work and in spirit of the Lord for that work and in spirit of the Lord for that work and in order to teach others to do that work. order to teach others to do that work. order to teach others to do that work. And I think it's wonderful because so And I think it's wonderful because so And I think it's wonderful because so much of the tabernacle is a reflection much of the tabernacle is a reflection much of the tabernacle is a reflection of creation. of creation. of creation. >> Uh it's filled with beauty and color and >> Uh it's filled with beauty and color and >> Uh it's filled with beauty and color and and and lovely scents and everything and and lovely scents and everything and and lovely scents and everything else and light. Um so here here is a a else and light. Um so here here is a a else and light. Um so here here is a a habitation for God in the in the habitation for God in the in the habitation for God in the in the tabernacle which is built by people who tabernacle which is built by people who tabernacle which is built by people who are filled with the spirit. The spirit are filled with the spirit. The spirit are filled with the spirit. The spirit of the lord is gives them that of the lord is gives them that of the lord is gives them that creativity. The next place where the creativity. The next place where the creativity. The next place where the spirit comes a lot is in the stories of spirit comes a lot is in the stories of spirit comes a lot is in the stories of the judges uh and indeed of the early the judges uh and indeed of the early the judges uh and indeed of the early kings that the spirit of the lord comes kings that the spirit of the lord comes kings that the spirit of the lord comes on these men and it seems to be a spirit on these men and it seems to be a spirit on these men and it seems to be a spirit of power um uh a spirit which enables of power um uh a spirit which enables of power um uh a spirit which enables people to do people to do people to do >> not necessarily supernatural things but >> not necessarily supernatural things but >> not necessarily supernatural things but very powerful things you know to win very powerful things you know to win very powerful things you know to win battles or to exercise justice and battles or to exercise justice and battles or to exercise justice and sometimes that's wonderful and good and sometimes that's wonderful and good and sometimes that's wonderful and good and wonderful things that are happen that wonderful things that are happen that wonderful things that are happen that are good. Sometimes it gets mixed up are good. Sometimes it gets mixed up are good. Sometimes it gets mixed up with human greed and arrogance and you with human greed and arrogance and you with human greed and arrogance and you know what might call toxic masculinity know what might call toxic masculinity know what might call toxic masculinity like with Samson you know like with Samson you know like with Samson you know >> spirit of God comes on does all sorts of >> spirit of God comes on does all sorts of >> spirit of God comes on does all sorts of things what you know so sure but the

things what you know so sure but the things what you know so sure but the point is it is the spirit who with point is it is the spirit who with point is it is the spirit who with Gideon for example I think the Hebrew Gideon for example I think the Hebrew Gideon for example I think the Hebrew literally says the spirit of God spirit literally says the spirit of God spirit literally says the spirit of God spirit of the lord clothed himself with Gideon of the lord clothed himself with Gideon of the lord clothed himself with Gideon >> as if God comes down and puts Gideon on >> as if God comes down and puts Gideon on >> as if God comes down and puts Gideon on you know so what Gideon does is then God you know so what Gideon does is then God you know so what Gideon does is then God is doing um so the spirit of of power is doing um so the spirit of of power is doing um so the spirit of of power and then um there's the spirit of the and then um there's the spirit of the and then um there's the spirit of the prophets uh Micah who we referred to prophets uh Micah who we referred to prophets uh Micah who we referred to earlier actually says that the spirit of earlier actually says that the spirit of earlier actually says that the spirit of God you know here I am with the spirit God you know here I am with the spirit God you know here I am with the spirit uh Isaiah talks about the spirit of the uh Isaiah talks about the spirit of the uh Isaiah talks about the spirit of the lord uh being upon him that probably lord uh being upon him that probably lord uh being upon him that probably initially refers to the prophet although initially refers to the prophet although initially refers to the prophet although of course it's taken prophetically to of course it's taken prophetically to of course it's taken prophetically to refer to the servant and Jesus applies refer to the servant and Jesus applies refer to the servant and Jesus applies it to himself but uh the spirit of the it to himself but uh the spirit of the it to himself but uh the spirit of the lord is contrasted in some of the lord is contrasted in some of the lord is contrasted in some of the narratives with false spirits or evil narratives with false spirits or evil narratives with false spirits or evil spirits spirits spirits >> or lying spirits who or even they are >> or lying spirits who or even they are >> or lying spirits who or even they are under the control of God at one point. under the control of God at one point. under the control of God at one point. Uh but these false prophets they speak Uh but these false prophets they speak Uh but these false prophets they speak for themselves and they speak their for themselves and they speak their for themselves and they speak their dreams and so on. Whereas says Jeremiah dreams and so on. Whereas says Jeremiah dreams and so on. Whereas says Jeremiah uh the true prophet who is knows the uh the true prophet who is knows the uh the true prophet who is knows the spirit of God and through whom the spirit of God and through whom the spirit of God and through whom the spirit of God speaks uh speaks the truth spirit of God speaks uh speaks the truth spirit of God speaks uh speaks the truth and seeks justice. So the spirit is and seeks justice. So the spirit is and seeks justice. So the spirit is there in the prophets. spirit is there there in the prophets. spirit is there there in the prophets. spirit is there in the anointing of the kings.

in the anointing of the kings. in the anointing of the kings. >> So anointing was really a kind of >> So anointing was really a kind of >> So anointing was really a kind of symbolic oil which represented the symbolic oil which represented the symbolic oil which represented the spirit of Yahweh. And then when you look spirit of Yahweh. And then when you look spirit of Yahweh. And then when you look at what the kings do, they are anointed at what the kings do, they are anointed at what the kings do, they are anointed to do justice uh to care for the poor to do justice uh to care for the poor to do justice uh to care for the poor and the needy uh to be those who and the needy uh to be those who and the needy uh to be those who represent God's presence among their represent God's presence among their represent God's presence among their people. people. people. >> And then of course finally the book um >> And then of course finally the book um >> And then of course finally the book um knowing the Holy Spirit through the Old knowing the Holy Spirit through the Old knowing the Holy Spirit through the Old Testament comes to the promises. Uh, Testament comes to the promises. Uh, Testament comes to the promises. Uh, it's called the the coming spirit. I I it's called the the coming spirit. I I it's called the the coming spirit. I I use that just instead of the use that just instead of the use that just instead of the esqueological spirit, esqueological spirit, esqueological spirit, >> more theological word. But, you know, >> more theological word. But, you know, >> more theological word. But, you know, um, you you get these verses in Isaiah um, you you get these verses in Isaiah um, you you get these verses in Isaiah where God says, "I'm going to pour out where God says, "I'm going to pour out where God says, "I'm going to pour out my spirit." my spirit." my spirit." >> It's not that people didn't know about >> It's not that people didn't know about >> It's not that people didn't know about the spirit, but the spirit went on the spirit, but the spirit went on the spirit, but the spirit went on individuals like Moses, like David, like individuals like Moses, like David, like individuals like Moses, like David, like the judges. The spirit comes as it were the judges. The spirit comes as it were the judges. The spirit comes as it were um periodically and at specific times um periodically and at specific times um periodically and at specific times and moments. But now God says uh in that and moments. But now God says uh in that and moments. But now God says uh in that day I will pour out my spirit on day I will pour out my spirit on day I will pour out my spirit on everybody on all my people men and women everybody on all my people men and women everybody on all my people men and women old and young. And you get that prophecy old and young. And you get that prophecy old and young. And you get that prophecy there in Joel. You've also have it in there in Joel. You've also have it in there in Joel. You've also have it in Isaiah uh 32 that the spirit of Isaiah uh 32 that the spirit of Isaiah uh 32 that the spirit of righteousness will come and flow. And righteousness will come and flow. And righteousness will come and flow. And then it's those prophecies which are then it's those prophecies which are then it's those prophecies which are picked up u in the New Testament of picked up u in the New Testament of picked up u in the New Testament of course in the in Acts chapter 2 in the course in the in Acts chapter 2 in the course in the in Acts chapter 2 in the day of Pentecost when Peter uh this day of Pentecost when Peter uh this day of Pentecost when Peter uh this great experience of in the probably in great experience of in the probably in great experience of in the probably in the courts of the temple. I think that's the courts of the temple. I think that's the courts of the temple. I think that's probably what is referred to as the probably what is referred to as the probably what is referred to as the house. I think it's happening in the house. I think it's happening in the house. I think it's happening in the temple courts. And there's this noise of temple courts. And there's this noise of temple courts. And there's this noise of a rushing wind and there's flames of a rushing wind and there's flames of a rushing wind and there's flames of fire. And then Peter says this is God

fire. And then Peter says this is God fire. And then Peter says this is God arriving. God has come into his temple. arriving. God has come into his temple. arriving. God has come into his temple. But the God who has become flesh, the But the God who has become flesh, the But the God who has become flesh, the second person of the trinity, God has second person of the trinity, God has second person of the trinity, God has come in the flesh in the gospels. Now come in the flesh in the gospels. Now come in the flesh in the gospels. Now God comes in the spirit in the book of God comes in the spirit in the book of God comes in the spirit in the book of Acts to empower the church for mission. Acts to empower the church for mission. Acts to empower the church for mission. Uh but that's all in fulfillment of the Uh but that's all in fulfillment of the Uh but that's all in fulfillment of the Old Testament. Uh so that's why Peter Old Testament. Uh so that's why Peter Old Testament. Uh so that's why Peter will quotes Joel to explain what's will quotes Joel to explain what's will quotes Joel to explain what's happening on the day of Pentecost. This happening on the day of Pentecost. This happening on the day of Pentecost. This is this he says is that this is what the is this he says is that this is what the is this he says is that this is what the prophecy was was all about. So there's prophecy was was all about. So there's prophecy was was all about. So there's Yeah, it it was a whole book full there. Yeah, it it was a whole book full there. Yeah, it it was a whole book full there. Five chapters. Five chapters. Five chapters. knowing the Holy Spirit through the Old knowing the Holy Spirit through the Old knowing the Holy Spirit through the Old Testament. Testament. Testament. >> No, it's helpful to see that the Old >> No, it's helpful to see that the Old >> No, it's helpful to see that the Old Testament really is is flush with the Testament really is is flush with the Testament really is is flush with the Holy Spirit. And a as you were going Holy Spirit. And a as you were going Holy Spirit. And a as you were going through all those different elements and through all those different elements and through all those different elements and ways that we see the spirit's work ways that we see the spirit's work ways that we see the spirit's work through the Old Testament, what really through the Old Testament, what really through the Old Testament, what really stood out to me is is the spirit is stood out to me is is the spirit is stood out to me is is the spirit is acting as acting as acting as as the causal agency of what God is as the causal agency of what God is as the causal agency of what God is doing of you know for example coming doing of you know for example coming doing of you know for example coming upon the craftsman filling them up so upon the craftsman filling them up so upon the craftsman filling them up so that they can do the thing that God is that they can do the thing that God is that they can do the thing that God is wanting them to do. Uh wanting them to do. Uh wanting them to do. Uh same thing with the prophets, right? Is same thing with the prophets, right? Is same thing with the prophets, right? Is coming upon and and giving that message coming upon and and giving that message coming upon and and giving that message >> so that the prophets can give the >> so that the prophets can give the >> so that the prophets can give the message that God is giving is giving to message that God is giving is giving to message that God is giving is giving to them. Everything that we're talking them. Everything that we're talking them. Everything that we're talking about with the Holy Spirit here or at about with the Holy Spirit here or at about with the Holy Spirit here or at least the majority of it is coming in least the majority of it is coming in least the majority of it is coming in this sense of God wanting to cause this sense of God wanting to cause this sense of God wanting to cause something to happen in people something to happen in people something to happen in people >> and he uses his spirit to do that.

>> and he uses his spirit to do that. >> and he uses his spirit to do that. >> It's God's agency in some ways. Um yeah, >> It's God's agency in some ways. Um yeah, >> It's God's agency in some ways. Um yeah, in many ways the the Old Testament in many ways the the Old Testament in many ways the the Old Testament speaks in this way. It uses the Lord speaks in this way. It uses the Lord speaks in this way. It uses the Lord himself, but it also speaks of the himself, but it also speaks of the himself, but it also speaks of the spirit of the Lord, the word of the spirit of the Lord, the word of the spirit of the Lord, the word of the Lord, uh the angel of the Lord. Um you Lord, uh the angel of the Lord. Um you Lord, uh the angel of the Lord. Um you know, there are ways in which the these know, there are ways in which the these know, there are ways in which the these terms seem at one level to be sort of terms seem at one level to be sort of terms seem at one level to be sort of separate from God. Um there and yet at separate from God. Um there and yet at separate from God. Um there and yet at the same time they're identified with the same time they're identified with the same time they're identified with God that they're God in action, God God that they're God in action, God God that they're God in action, God agent in agency doing something through agent in agency doing something through agent in agency doing something through his word. These things are powerful. his word. These things are powerful. his word. These things are powerful. They are personal. They are operative. They are personal. They are operative. They are personal. They are operative. Um as you say, they are causitive. Um as you say, they are causitive. Um as you say, they are causitive. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh they generate action and of course >> Uh they generate action and of course >> Uh they generate action and of course also response. also response. also response. >> Um and so God can say to Moses, for >> Um and so God can say to Moses, for >> Um and so God can say to Moses, for example, in the book of numbers that I example, in the book of numbers that I example, in the book of numbers that I will take some of the spirit that I have will take some of the spirit that I have will take some of the spirit that I have put on you and put it on these 70 elders put on you and put it on these 70 elders put on you and put it on these 70 elders uh so that they can do what they need to uh so that they can do what they need to uh so that they can do what they need to do. And as a as evidence of that, they do. And as a as evidence of that, they do. And as a as evidence of that, they prophesy, speak in whatever way they prophesy, speak in whatever way they prophesy, speak in whatever way they speak as prophetic. Um, and then there's speak as prophetic. Um, and then there's speak as prophetic. Um, and then there's that wonderful fact that two guys uh that wonderful fact that two guys uh that wonderful fact that two guys uh missed out on that occasion. They were missed out on that occasion. They were missed out on that occasion. They were they were somewhere else and they start they were somewhere else and they start they were somewhere else and they start prophesying, but they're not at the prophesying, but they're not at the prophesying, but they're not at the official plate, you know. Yeah. This is official plate, you know. Yeah. This is official plate, you know. Yeah. This is an unscripted charismatic activity, you an unscripted charismatic activity, you an unscripted charismatic activity, you know, and you remember Joshua gets know, and you remember Joshua gets know, and you remember Joshua gets upset. He says, you know, Moses, you upset. He says, you know, Moses, you upset. He says, you know, Moses, you should stop them. Yeah.

should stop them. Yeah. should stop them. Yeah. >> And Moses says, what are you jealous for >> And Moses says, what are you jealous for >> And Moses says, what are you jealous for my sake? You know, I wish all the Lord's my sake? You know, I wish all the Lord's my sake? You know, I wish all the Lord's people were prophets. people were prophets. people were prophets. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which probably means, you know, then >> Which probably means, you know, then >> Which probably means, you know, then they wouldn't all be bothering me if they wouldn't all be bothering me if they wouldn't all be bothering me if everybody everybody everybody And you can hear God saying, "Yeah, And you can hear God saying, "Yeah, And you can hear God saying, "Yeah, yeah, they will be, but not yet." yeah, they will be, but not yet." yeah, they will be, but not yet." >> That that's that's for a future date. >> That that's that's for a future date. >> That that's that's for a future date. But so yeah, the spirit of God uh in But so yeah, the spirit of God uh in But so yeah, the spirit of God uh in power in agency is I think the main power in agency is I think the main power in agency is I think the main message of of the Old Testament. And of message of of the Old Testament. And of message of of the Old Testament. And of course, that's what happens in the New course, that's what happens in the New course, that's what happens in the New as well. Uh Luke tells us repeatedly as well. Uh Luke tells us repeatedly as well. Uh Luke tells us repeatedly that what Jesus does. that what Jesus does. that what Jesus does. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The human person of God in the person of >> The human person of God in the person of >> The human person of God in the person of Jesus, he is doing because he's filled Jesus, he is doing because he's filled Jesus, he is doing because he's filled with the spirit. with the spirit. with the spirit. >> He's filled with the spirit in his >> He's filled with the spirit in his >> He's filled with the spirit in his baptism. The spirit is even there in his baptism. The spirit is even there in his baptism. The spirit is even there in his conception and birth. Um you know that conception and birth. Um you know that conception and birth. Um you know that which is conceived in Mary the virgin is which is conceived in Mary the virgin is which is conceived in Mary the virgin is by the power of the spirit and then he by the power of the spirit and then he by the power of the spirit and then he goes into the wilderness in the spirit. goes into the wilderness in the spirit. goes into the wilderness in the spirit. He comes back in the power of the He comes back in the power of the He comes back in the power of the spirit. Um so the the spirit is that spirit. Um so the the spirit is that spirit. Um so the the spirit is that which is active in and through uh the which is active in and through uh the which is active in and through uh the second person of the trinity. And even second person of the trinity. And even second person of the trinity. And even Hebrews says that it was by the eternal Hebrews says that it was by the eternal Hebrews says that it was by the eternal spirit spirit spirit >> that Jesus offered himself uh at the >> that Jesus offered himself uh at the >> that Jesus offered himself uh at the cross in sacrifice. So, Father, Son, and cross in sacrifice. So, Father, Son, and cross in sacrifice. So, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all working together um in Holy Spirit all working together um in Holy Spirit all working together um in in in the death of Christ.

in in the death of Christ. in in the death of Christ. >> Yeah. Well, let's take on that third >> Yeah. Well, let's take on that third >> Yeah. Well, let's take on that third member then. Where do we or how do we member then. Where do we or how do we member then. Where do we or how do we know Jesus through the Old Testament? know Jesus through the Old Testament? know Jesus through the Old Testament? >> Well, that little word through uh in the >> Well, that little word through uh in the >> Well, that little word through uh in the title of the book is actually title of the book is actually title of the book is actually significant. Um because I'm I'm not significant. Um because I'm I'm not significant. Um because I'm I'm not trying to say that, you know, we know or trying to say that, you know, we know or trying to say that, you know, we know or see Jesus in the Old Testament. uh see Jesus in the Old Testament. uh see Jesus in the Old Testament. uh although there is a sense in which I do although there is a sense in which I do although there is a sense in which I do want to say that cuz I want to say that want to say that cuz I want to say that want to say that cuz I want to say that >> uh obviously >> uh obviously >> uh obviously the second person of the trinity the son the second person of the trinity the son the second person of the trinity the son of god the one who became flesh in Jesus of god the one who became flesh in Jesus of god the one who became flesh in Jesus of Nazareth the messiah Jesus that of Nazareth the messiah Jesus that of Nazareth the messiah Jesus that person of god was present all the way person of god was present all the way person of god was present all the way through the old testament we we when we through the old testament we we when we through the old testament we we when we see god at work we're also seeing Christ see god at work we're also seeing Christ see god at work we're also seeing Christ at work uh because father son and holy at work uh because father son and holy at work uh because father son and holy spirit are one god and so that's quite spirit are one god and so that's quite spirit are one god and so that's quite important to say But there are those who important to say But there are those who important to say But there are those who want to say that because the Old want to say that because the Old want to say that because the Old Testament is where points to Christ and Testament is where points to Christ and Testament is where points to Christ and bears witness to Christ as the bears witness to Christ as the bears witness to Christ as the scriptures say that therefore we must scriptures say that therefore we must scriptures say that therefore we must somehow find Jesus in every chapter or somehow find Jesus in every chapter or somehow find Jesus in every chapter or every bit of the Old Testament. I want every bit of the Old Testament. I want every bit of the Old Testament. I want to say that that leads to quite a to say that that leads to quite a to say that that leads to quite a distorted way sometimes of you know you distorted way sometimes of you know you distorted way sometimes of you know you read something at Amos about read something at Amos about read something at Amos about righteousness and then you say well the righteousness and then you say well the righteousness and then you say well the only righteousness we can have is only righteousness we can have is only righteousness we can have is righteousness in Christ and then then righteousness in Christ and then then righteousness in Christ and then then you talk about Jesus. Well, that's not you talk about Jesus. Well, that's not you talk about Jesus. Well, that's not what Amos is talking about. That that's what Amos is talking about. That that's what Amos is talking about. That that's not the way to interpret the scripture.

not the way to interpret the scripture. not the way to interpret the scripture. >> It also tends to flatten the whole Bible >> It also tends to flatten the whole Bible >> It also tends to flatten the whole Bible uh and remove the uniqueness of the uh and remove the uniqueness of the uh and remove the uniqueness of the incarnation. incarnation. incarnation. >> But when John says the word became >> But when John says the word became >> But when John says the word became flesh, he's talking about something that flesh, he's talking about something that flesh, he's talking about something that had never happened before. had never happened before. had never happened before. >> This is unprecedented. >> This is unprecedented. >> This is unprecedented. Um God obviously appears to human beings Um God obviously appears to human beings Um God obviously appears to human beings in the past. He appears and I believe in in the past. He appears and I believe in in the past. He appears and I believe in human form to Abraham, to Moses, to human form to Abraham, to Moses, to human form to Abraham, to Moses, to David and so on. So God can appear. Um, David and so on. So God can appear. Um, David and so on. So God can appear. Um, and some people say those are, you know, and some people say those are, you know, and some people say those are, you know, appearances of this of the pre-incarnate appearances of this of the pre-incarnate appearances of this of the pre-incarnate Christ. Christ. Christ. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Um, that's okay. I I don't want to sort >> Um, that's okay. I I don't want to sort >> Um, that's okay. I I don't want to sort of knock that too much, but I want to of knock that too much, but I want to of knock that too much, but I want to say, yeah, but it's not Jesus. say, yeah, but it's not Jesus. say, yeah, but it's not Jesus. >> Jesus is the human personal name of the >> Jesus is the human personal name of the >> Jesus is the human personal name of the son of God who was born of the Virgin son of God who was born of the Virgin son of God who was born of the Virgin Mary and who lived on this earth as the Mary and who lived on this earth as the Mary and who lived on this earth as the word made flesh. Um, and so let's word made flesh. Um, and so let's word made flesh. Um, and so let's preserve that uniqueness. Now, Coming preserve that uniqueness. Now, Coming preserve that uniqueness. Now, Coming then to your question, how do we then then to your question, how do we then then to your question, how do we then know Jesus God through the Old know Jesus God through the Old know Jesus God through the Old Testament? And in my book, uh I I start Testament? And in my book, uh I I start Testament? And in my book, uh I I start with Matthew chapter 1, the genealogy of with Matthew chapter 1, the genealogy of with Matthew chapter 1, the genealogy of Jesus to say it's the Old Testament Jesus to say it's the Old Testament Jesus to say it's the Old Testament which tells the story which leads us to which tells the story which leads us to which tells the story which leads us to Christ. It's it's like a journey with a Christ. It's it's like a journey with a Christ. It's it's like a journey with a destination. Uh and all the way through destination. Uh and all the way through destination. Uh and all the way through this journey, we are eventually this journey, we are eventually this journey, we are eventually anticipating that we will arrive at anticipating that we will arrive at anticipating that we will arrive at Christ. Um it doesn't mean that on the Christ. Um it doesn't mean that on the Christ. Um it doesn't mean that on the journey every time we look out the journey every time we look out the journey every time we look out the window we're seeing Jesus. No, we are window we're seeing Jesus. No, we are window we're seeing Jesus. No, we are seeing the scenery, the actions of God seeing the scenery, the actions of God seeing the scenery, the actions of God who ultimately will lead us to Christ.

who ultimately will lead us to Christ. who ultimately will lead us to Christ. So we need that story. We need the So we need that story. We need the So we need that story. We need the background. background. background. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um otherwise, you know, Jesus, it's not >> Um otherwise, you know, Jesus, it's not >> Um otherwise, you know, Jesus, it's not that just Jesus drops in from heaven, that just Jesus drops in from heaven, that just Jesus drops in from heaven, you know. you know. you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> ET, you know, like Superman or >> ET, you know, like Superman or >> ET, you know, like Superman or something. No, Jesus is born of Mary uh something. No, Jesus is born of Mary uh something. No, Jesus is born of Mary uh with, you know, human father is Joseph. with, you know, human father is Joseph. with, you know, human father is Joseph. He has a genealogy. He's born into a He has a genealogy. He's born into a He has a genealogy. He's born into a people, a family, a nation, the people people, a family, a nation, the people people, a family, a nation, the people of Israel. Uh, and so we need to know of Israel. Uh, and so we need to know of Israel. Uh, and so we need to know who are these people, Israel. How has who are these people, Israel. How has who are these people, Israel. How has God called them and chosen them? And God called them and chosen them? And God called them and chosen them? And that unique relationship between God and that unique relationship between God and that unique relationship between God and Israel is now embodied in the Messiah, Israel is now embodied in the Messiah, Israel is now embodied in the Messiah, Jesus himself, and so on. So, we need Jesus himself, and so on. So, we need Jesus himself, and so on. So, we need the story. the story. the story. >> But then also, Matthew keeps on saying >> But then also, Matthew keeps on saying >> But then also, Matthew keeps on saying that in the infancy of Jesus, things that in the infancy of Jesus, things that in the infancy of Jesus, things happened so that it would be fulfilled happened so that it would be fulfilled happened so that it would be fulfilled what the prophet said. And so Jesus is what the prophet said. And so Jesus is what the prophet said. And so Jesus is not the Old Testament doesn't just tell not the Old Testament doesn't just tell not the Old Testament doesn't just tell a story. It also makes a promise. Uh it a story. It also makes a promise. Uh it a story. It also makes a promise. Uh it it's pointing to something which God is it's pointing to something which God is it's pointing to something which God is going to do and a promise that God is going to do and a promise that God is going to do and a promise that God is going to keep and Jesus fulfills that going to keep and Jesus fulfills that going to keep and Jesus fulfills that promise. But that's not just a tickbox promise. But that's not just a tickbox promise. But that's not just a tickbox exercise, you know. It's not that, oh exercise, you know. It's not that, oh exercise, you know. It's not that, oh yeah, Bethlehem, you know, Jesus is born yeah, Bethlehem, you know, Jesus is born yeah, Bethlehem, you know, Jesus is born in Bethlehem. Micah tick, you know, in Bethlehem. Micah tick, you know, in Bethlehem. Micah tick, you know, Jesus goes to live in Nazareth, tick, Jesus goes to live in Nazareth, tick, Jesus goes to live in Nazareth, tick, you know, or whatever it is.

you know, or whatever it is. you know, or whatever it is. >> No, it's not just that sort of >> No, it's not just that sort of >> No, it's not just that sort of prediction. It's seeing the whole Old prediction. It's seeing the whole Old prediction. It's seeing the whole Old Testament as bearing witness to God's Testament as bearing witness to God's Testament as bearing witness to God's covenant faithfulness. Here's the God covenant faithfulness. Here's the God covenant faithfulness. Here's the God who makes a promise to the world, to all who makes a promise to the world, to all who makes a promise to the world, to all nations through the people of Israel nations through the people of Israel nations through the people of Israel that through them ultimately the savior that through them ultimately the savior that through them ultimately the savior of the world will come. And in so many of the world will come. And in so many of the world will come. And in so many ways, we see that promise in the Old ways, we see that promise in the Old ways, we see that promise in the Old Testament, not just a prediction, Testament, not just a prediction, Testament, not just a prediction, >> but a promise and then it is fulfilled >> but a promise and then it is fulfilled >> but a promise and then it is fulfilled in Christ. Uh and fulfilled often in in Christ. Uh and fulfilled often in in Christ. Uh and fulfilled often in ways that go beyond what the original ways that go beyond what the original ways that go beyond what the original the language of the original promise. the language of the original promise. the language of the original promise. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> simply because the New Testament adds so >> simply because the New Testament adds so >> simply because the New Testament adds so much to the person of Jesus. But then much to the person of Jesus. But then much to the person of Jesus. But then also the Old Testament I think shapes also the Old Testament I think shapes also the Old Testament I think shapes the identity of Jesus. the identity of Jesus. the identity of Jesus. >> Who did Jesus think he was? Well, of >> Who did Jesus think he was? Well, of >> Who did Jesus think he was? Well, of course I mean as he grew up he came to course I mean as he grew up he came to course I mean as he grew up he came to understand himself and his father and understand himself and his father and understand himself and his father and that unique relationship with God. But that unique relationship with God. But that unique relationship with God. But um Luke tells us that Jesus he wasn't an um Luke tells us that Jesus he wasn't an um Luke tells us that Jesus he wasn't an omnisient baby. you know, he he grew in omnisient baby. you know, he he grew in omnisient baby. you know, he he grew in intelligence as well as in physical intelligence as well as in physical intelligence as well as in physical stature. Luke tells us that twice that stature. Luke tells us that twice that stature. Luke tells us that twice that he grew in wisdom and stature. So he he he grew in wisdom and stature. So he he he grew in wisdom and stature. So he he grew up to learn how to read and think grew up to learn how to read and think grew up to learn how to read and think and read the scriptures. So that even by and read the scriptures. So that even by and read the scriptures. So that even by the age of 12, he was able to go to the the age of 12, he was able to go to the the age of 12, he was able to go to the temple and enter into argument and temple and enter into argument and temple and enter into argument and discussion with the rabbis on the discussion with the rabbis on the discussion with the rabbis on the scriptures. So he was learning from the scriptures. So he was learning from the scriptures. So he was learning from the scriptures and in the scriptures he scriptures and in the scriptures he scriptures and in the scriptures he finds uh the identity of the one who is finds uh the identity of the one who is finds uh the identity of the one who is to be the servant of the lord uh to be to be the servant of the lord uh to be to be the servant of the lord uh to be the messiah to be the anointed one to be the messiah to be the anointed one to be the messiah to be the anointed one to be um the son of David um to be the one to

um the son of David um to be the one to um the son of David um to be the one to whom god say this is my beloved son all whom god say this is my beloved son all whom god say this is my beloved son all all that language of who Jesus is all all that language of who Jesus is all all that language of who Jesus is all comes from the old testament comes from the old testament comes from the old testament >> and Jesus adopts it for himself and >> and Jesus adopts it for himself and >> and Jesus adopts it for himself and takes it into himself son of man son of takes it into himself son of man son of takes it into himself son of man son of god son of David great priest prophet, god son of David great priest prophet, god son of David great priest prophet, Lord and so on. So the identity of Lord and so on. So the identity of Lord and so on. So the identity of Jesus, who he was, it's all shaped not Jesus, who he was, it's all shaped not Jesus, who he was, it's all shaped not in a photographic sense. I mean, if it in a photographic sense. I mean, if it in a photographic sense. I mean, if it had been a photograph, you know, the had been a photograph, you know, the had been a photograph, you know, the disciples could have looked at their disciples could have looked at their disciples could have looked at their photograph album and said, "Oh, yeah, photograph album and said, "Oh, yeah, photograph album and said, "Oh, yeah, now we see here Jesus." But it it was now we see here Jesus." But it it was now we see here Jesus." But it it was more in a way more like the threads of a more in a way more like the threads of a more in a way more like the threads of a tapestry, you know, that there's a tapestry, you know, that there's a tapestry, you know, that there's a weaving together. weaving together. weaving together. >> Yeah. uh of images and and >> Yeah. uh of images and and >> Yeah. uh of images and and understandings of who God would send understandings of who God would send understandings of who God would send when he would send himself that God when he would send himself that God when he would send himself that God would come. would come. would come. >> And then there's the sense in which the >> And then there's the sense in which the >> And then there's the sense in which the Old Testament also programs the mission Old Testament also programs the mission Old Testament also programs the mission that Jesus is going to accomplish. that Jesus is going to accomplish. that Jesus is going to accomplish. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Jesus, the the gospels have Jesus quite >> Jesus, the the gospels have Jesus quite >> Jesus, the the gospels have Jesus quite often saying that he was sent. often saying that he was sent. often saying that he was sent. >> You know, for this purpose, I was sent >> You know, for this purpose, I was sent >> You know, for this purpose, I was sent uh the father sent. He didn't just uh the father sent. He didn't just uh the father sent. He didn't just arrive. He had this driving sense of arrive. He had this driving sense of arrive. He had this driving sense of purposefulness of having a mission to purposefulness of having a mission to purposefulness of having a mission to accomplish. Uh and where does that sense accomplish. Uh and where does that sense accomplish. Uh and where does that sense of mission comes from? It comes from the of mission comes from? It comes from the of mission comes from? It comes from the scriptures because God had promised that scriptures because God had promised that scriptures because God had promised that through the Messiah, through Israel, all through the Messiah, through Israel, all through the Messiah, through Israel, all nations would be blessed. God had nations would be blessed. God had nations would be blessed. God had promised that through this servant, he promised that through this servant, he promised that through this servant, he would bring Israel back to himself and would bring Israel back to himself and would bring Israel back to himself and bring the name and glory and salvation bring the name and glory and salvation bring the name and glory and salvation of God to the ends of the earth. Jesus of God to the ends of the earth. Jesus of God to the ends of the earth. Jesus and also the uh the Old Testament had and also the uh the Old Testament had and also the uh the Old Testament had prophesied that God would come as king.

prophesied that God would come as king. prophesied that God would come as king. the kingdom of God would come, the reign the kingdom of God would come, the reign the kingdom of God would come, the reign of God would begin. And when God would of God would begin. And when God would of God would begin. And when God would become king, then there would be become king, then there would be become king, then there would be justice. The whole, you know, things justice. The whole, you know, things justice. The whole, you know, things would turn upside down. So Jesus comes would turn upside down. So Jesus comes would turn upside down. So Jesus comes announcing these things. He's calling announcing these things. He's calling announcing these things. He's calling Israel back to him. He's calling for Israel back to him. He's calling for Israel back to him. He's calling for repentance and faith. He's he's speaking repentance and faith. He's he's speaking repentance and faith. He's he's speaking about those who will go to the nations. about those who will go to the nations. about those who will go to the nations. And so it's the Old Testament which has And so it's the Old Testament which has And so it's the Old Testament which has shaped the whole purpose and point and shaped the whole purpose and point and shaped the whole purpose and point and mission of Jesus' life. M mission of Jesus' life. M mission of Jesus' life. M >> and the last thing I try to say in the >> and the last thing I try to say in the >> and the last thing I try to say in the book of course is that I'm going back to book of course is that I'm going back to book of course is that I'm going back to where we started is that it's the Old where we started is that it's the Old where we started is that it's the Old Testament that shows us the God whom Testament that shows us the God whom Testament that shows us the God whom Jesus embodied. Jesus embodied. Jesus embodied. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> As I say, we shouldn't just say Jesus >> As I say, we shouldn't just say Jesus >> As I say, we shouldn't just say Jesus was God. What we should be saying is the was God. What we should be saying is the was God. What we should be saying is the God who reveals himself in the God who reveals himself in the God who reveals himself in the scriptures of Israel is the God who scriptures of Israel is the God who scriptures of Israel is the God who became flesh and walked among us as became flesh and walked among us as became flesh and walked among us as Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus of Nazareth. >> Uh the Lord God of Israel, the Holy One >> Uh the Lord God of Israel, the Holy One >> Uh the Lord God of Israel, the Holy One of Israel, the God of the Exodus and of Israel, the God of the Exodus and of Israel, the God of the Exodus and Abraham. This is the God who now can Abraham. This is the God who now can Abraham. This is the God who now can stand on the mount of ascension. stand on the mount of ascension. stand on the mount of ascension. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> As he does the crucified risen Christ >> As he does the crucified risen Christ >> As he does the crucified risen Christ and he says to his disciples, "All and he says to his disciples, "All and he says to his disciples, "All authority in heaven and on earth has authority in heaven and on earth has authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."

been given to me." been given to me." Deep in prank of breath. No human being Deep in prank of breath. No human being Deep in prank of breath. No human being should ever say those kind of words should ever say those kind of words should ever say those kind of words unless they're true. unless they're true. unless they're true. >> Uh and of course what the disciples >> Uh and of course what the disciples >> Uh and of course what the disciples would have heard was the echo of would have heard was the echo of would have heard was the echo of Deuteronomy because that's what Moses Deuteronomy because that's what Moses Deuteronomy because that's what Moses says about God. The Lord your God is God says about God. The Lord your God is God says about God. The Lord your God is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath in heaven above and on the earth beneath in heaven above and on the earth beneath and there is no other. He's the God of and there is no other. He's the God of and there is no other. He's the God of all creation, heaven and earth. And here all creation, heaven and earth. And here all creation, heaven and earth. And here is Jesus of Nazareth, the crucified is Jesus of Nazareth, the crucified is Jesus of Nazareth, the crucified carpenter standing in front of them. And carpenter standing in front of them. And carpenter standing in front of them. And he say, "That's who I am, guys. The Lord he say, "That's who I am, guys. The Lord he say, "That's who I am, guys. The Lord of heaven and earth." of heaven and earth." of heaven and earth." >> Um, by the way, it's quite important >> Um, by the way, it's quite important >> Um, by the way, it's quite important that he's not just God in heaven. He's that he's not just God in heaven. He's that he's not just God in heaven. He's also God on earth. All authority on also God on earth. All authority on also God on earth. All authority on earth is given to him as well. So the earth is given to him as well. So the earth is given to him as well. So the earth belongs to Christ. earth belongs to Christ. earth belongs to Christ. >> It's his property. So what we do with >> It's his property. So what we do with >> It's his property. So what we do with the earth matters, which is another area the earth matters, which is another area the earth matters, which is another area that we might go into um of our that we might go into um of our that we might go into um of our ecological responsibility because Jesus ecological responsibility because Jesus ecological responsibility because Jesus is Lord of heaven and earth, but that's is Lord of heaven and earth, but that's is Lord of heaven and earth, but that's another issue. another issue. another issue. Well, it's helpful as as we're about to Well, it's helpful as as we're about to Well, it's helpful as as we're about to enter into talking through the the New enter into talking through the the New enter into talking through the the New Testament, it's it's helpful to keep in Testament, it's it's helpful to keep in Testament, it's it's helpful to keep in mind everything that we've been through mind everything that we've been through mind everything that we've been through through the Old Testament because you through the Old Testament because you through the Old Testament because you because you see the clear bridges into because you see the clear bridges into because you see the clear bridges into especially through the gospels into into especially through the gospels into into especially through the gospels into into the person of Christ. We talked a lot the person of Christ. We talked a lot the person of Christ. We talked a lot about how the Old Testament revealed the about how the Old Testament revealed the about how the Old Testament revealed the person of God and and we we were we person of God and and we we were we person of God and and we we were we mentioned that earlier how it is very mentioned that earlier how it is very mentioned that earlier how it is very relational and in the question of who relational and in the question of who relational and in the question of who and that question continues on because and that question continues on because and that question continues on because we see that incarnate in flesh now in we see that incarnate in flesh now in we see that incarnate in flesh now in Jesus. So all that question of who that Jesus. So all that question of who that Jesus. So all that question of who that we had been talking about through the

we had been talking about through the we had been talking about through the Old Testament, well here he is on the Old Testament, well here he is on the Old Testament, well here he is on the scene now in in the gospels. And that's scene now in in the gospels. And that's scene now in in the gospels. And that's the amazing thing and that's why to to the amazing thing and that's why to to the amazing thing and that's why to to speak of we just speak of Jesus Christ speak of we just speak of Jesus Christ speak of we just speak of Jesus Christ as if Christ was his surname but as if Christ was his surname but as if Christ was his surname but actually is Jesus the Christ the Messiah actually is Jesus the Christ the Messiah actually is Jesus the Christ the Messiah the Lord and and that's you know in the the Lord and and that's you know in the the Lord and and that's you know in the day of Pentecost Peter is very insistent day of Pentecost Peter is very insistent day of Pentecost Peter is very insistent on saying what this proves guys that the on saying what this proves guys that the on saying what this proves guys that the Holy Spirit has come is that this Jesus Holy Spirit has come is that this Jesus Holy Spirit has come is that this Jesus whom you crucified and you're all whom you crucified and you're all whom you crucified and you're all standing here in front of me all these standing here in front of me all these standing here in front of me all these crowds many of them would have been crowds many of them would have been crowds many of them would have been there on the day of crucifixion because there on the day of crucifixion because there on the day of crucifixion because they'd have stayed over from Passover to they'd have stayed over from Passover to they'd have stayed over from Passover to Pentecost in Jerusalem and he says you Pentecost in Jerusalem and he says you Pentecost in Jerusalem and he says you crucified him, but God has raised him crucified him, but God has raised him crucified him, but God has raised him from the dead. Well, that's horrors. You from the dead. Well, that's horrors. You from the dead. Well, that's horrors. You know, that crowd on the day of Pentecost know, that crowd on the day of Pentecost know, that crowd on the day of Pentecost weren't cheering. They weren't, "Oh, weren't cheering. They weren't, "Oh, weren't cheering. They weren't, "Oh, good for Jesus. Loved you to have you good for Jesus. Loved you to have you good for Jesus. Loved you to have you back. You know, I'm so glad to hear he's back. You know, I'm so glad to hear he's back. You know, I'm so glad to hear he's risen again." They would have been risen again." They would have been risen again." They would have been scared stiff scared stiff scared stiff >> because the only reason a murdered man >> because the only reason a murdered man >> because the only reason a murdered man comes back to life is for vengeance. So, comes back to life is for vengeance. So, comes back to life is for vengeance. So, this Jesus is now raised again. You this Jesus is now raised again. You this Jesus is now raised again. You know, what's he going to do to us? But know, what's he going to do to us? But know, what's he going to do to us? But no, says Peter, this Jesus whom you no, says Peter, this Jesus whom you no, says Peter, this Jesus whom you crucified, God has made him Lord and crucified, God has made him Lord and crucified, God has made him Lord and Christ.

Christ. Christ. >> Very significant words. He He's the Lord >> Very significant words. He He's the Lord >> Very significant words. He He's the Lord God himself and he's the Messiah, the God himself and he's the Messiah, the God himself and he's the Messiah, the King and the ruler of the of of the King and the ruler of the of of the King and the ruler of the of of the kings of the earth as as Revelation kings of the earth as as Revelation kings of the earth as as Revelation says. And now he's offering you says. And now he's offering you says. And now he's offering you forgiveness. forgiveness. forgiveness. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you will repent, if you'll turn back >> If you will repent, if you'll turn back >> If you will repent, if you'll turn back from what you did to him and repent. So from what you did to him and repent. So from what you did to him and repent. So the whoess the who aspect of who Jesus the whoess the who aspect of who Jesus the whoess the who aspect of who Jesus is and where that he's not just, you is and where that he's not just, you is and where that he's not just, you know, because the crowds might have said know, because the crowds might have said know, because the crowds might have said to Jes to Peter, well, okay then, Peter, to Jes to Peter, well, okay then, Peter, to Jes to Peter, well, okay then, Peter, if you're telling us that Jesus is risen if you're telling us that Jesus is risen if you're telling us that Jesus is risen from the dead, why isn't he here? Yeah. from the dead, why isn't he here? Yeah. from the dead, why isn't he here? Yeah. Why are you telling us all this? You Why are you telling us all this? You Why are you telling us all this? You know, where is he? Well, because he's know, where is he? Well, because he's know, where is he? Well, because he's now raised to the right hand of God. now raised to the right hand of God. now raised to the right hand of God. That's the next verse. He He's Lord. That's the next verse. He He's Lord. That's the next verse. He He's Lord. He's Christ. And he's now the ruler and He's Christ. And he's now the ruler and He's Christ. And he's now the ruler and the King. And you see that that the King. And you see that that the King. And you see that that narrative sense of moving through the narrative sense of moving through the narrative sense of moving through the Old Testament to see the New Testament. Old Testament to see the New Testament. Old Testament to see the New Testament. That comes out again and again and again That comes out again and again and again That comes out again and again and again in the Apostle Paul, not just in the in the Apostle Paul, not just in the in the Apostle Paul, not just in the Gospels. Uh gospels of course are full Gospels. Uh gospels of course are full Gospels. Uh gospels of course are full of it because they are saying all that of it because they are saying all that of it because they are saying all that the Old Testament said, it's all now the Old Testament said, it's all now the Old Testament said, it's all now being fulfilled in Jesus. That's why you being fulfilled in Jesus. That's why you being fulfilled in Jesus. That's why you get so many quotations from Old get so many quotations from Old get so many quotations from Old Testament texts.

Testament texts. Testament texts. >> But you see Paul also thinks in this >> But you see Paul also thinks in this >> But you see Paul also thinks in this way. Paul Paul is thinking of I mean way. Paul Paul is thinking of I mean way. Paul Paul is thinking of I mean even take Romans. He he begins with even take Romans. He he begins with even take Romans. He he begins with creation. Yeah. creation. Yeah. creation. Yeah. >> You know this is a God who's revealed >> You know this is a God who's revealed >> You know this is a God who's revealed himself in creation. So we got no himself in creation. So we got no himself in creation. So we got no excuse. We should know him. But then he excuse. We should know him. But then he excuse. We should know him. But then he moves to the fall. We've rebelled moves to the fall. We've rebelled moves to the fall. We've rebelled against him and and and sinned and and against him and and and sinned and and against him and and and sinned and and exchanged his glory for idols. The great exchanged his glory for idols. The great exchanged his glory for idols. The great sin of idolatry. But then what has God sin of idolatry. But then what has God sin of idolatry. But then what has God done? Well, God has called Abraham and done? Well, God has called Abraham and done? Well, God has called Abraham and he moves over to Abraham uh in chapter 4 he moves over to Abraham uh in chapter 4 he moves over to Abraham uh in chapter 4 and and through Abraham, God has made a and and through Abraham, God has made a and and through Abraham, God has made a promise to all the nations. promise to all the nations. promise to all the nations. >> And then through that, he moves on to >> And then through that, he moves on to >> And then through that, he moves on to Exodus to the to the redemption, out of Exodus to the to the redemption, out of Exodus to the to the redemption, out of slavery because he's called us out of slavery because he's called us out of slavery because he's called us out of slavery, out of darkness to sin. Uh and slavery, out of darkness to sin. Uh and slavery, out of darkness to sin. Uh and then given us the law, but the law then given us the law, but the law then given us the law, but the law itself couldn't save us. Yeah. itself couldn't save us. Yeah. itself couldn't save us. Yeah. >> Uh because of our sin. The law just >> Uh because of our sin. The law just >> Uh because of our sin. The law just arised sin in us. But now God has dealt arised sin in us. But now God has dealt arised sin in us. But now God has dealt with that through the coming of the with that through the coming of the with that through the coming of the Messiah by condemning sin in the flesh Messiah by condemning sin in the flesh Messiah by condemning sin in the flesh in Romans 8. But then what does that in Romans 8. But then what does that in Romans 8. But then what does that mean for Israel? Well, God hasn't mean for Israel? Well, God hasn't mean for Israel? Well, God hasn't finished with them yet. Romans 9:11. Uh, finished with them yet. Romans 9:11. Uh, finished with them yet. Romans 9:11. Uh, and therefore, you come right through to and therefore, you come right through to and therefore, you come right through to the end of the book to chapter 15 where the end of the book to chapter 15 where the end of the book to chapter 15 where he says, "So therefore, God's ultimate he says, "So therefore, God's ultimate he says, "So therefore, God's ultimate purpose is that the nations will glory purpose is that the nations will glory purpose is that the nations will glory and praise God." And he quotes four Old and praise God." And he quotes four Old and praise God." And he quotes four Old Testament texts in which the Gentiles Testament texts in which the Gentiles Testament texts in which the Gentiles occur, the nations, because Jesus become occur, the nations, because Jesus become occur, the nations, because Jesus become the servant of the Jews, the Christ, the the servant of the Jews, the Christ, the the servant of the Jews, the Christ, the Messiah for the sake of Israel, so that Messiah for the sake of Israel, so that Messiah for the sake of Israel, so that the promise to Abraham can be fulfilled.

the promise to Abraham can be fulfilled. the promise to Abraham can be fulfilled. The whole of Romans in a sense is the The whole of Romans in a sense is the The whole of Romans in a sense is the story of the Old Testament now narrated story of the Old Testament now narrated story of the Old Testament now narrated in terms of what God has done in Christ in terms of what God has done in Christ in terms of what God has done in Christ for the salvation of the nations. for the salvation of the nations. for the salvation of the nations. Especially since Jesus of Nazareth is Especially since Jesus of Nazareth is Especially since Jesus of Nazareth is the son of David and David is the one the son of David and David is the one the son of David and David is the one whom God raised up ultimately be the whom God raised up ultimately be the whom God raised up ultimately be the ruler of the nations. But now that was ruler of the nations. But now that was ruler of the nations. But now that was exercised through the son of Jesse exercised through the son of Jesse exercised through the son of Jesse through Jesus. So uh that's why you know through Jesus. So uh that's why you know through Jesus. So uh that's why you know when people say well we don't need the when people say well we don't need the when people say well we don't need the Old Testament. Old Testament. Old Testament. >> I want to say you're just missing so >> I want to say you're just missing so >> I want to say you're just missing so much. you you your your your much. you you your your your much. you you your your your understanding of Jesus and the New understanding of Jesus and the New understanding of Jesus and the New Testament is going to be so thin. It's Testament is going to be so thin. It's Testament is going to be so thin. It's going to lack roots and stability. It going to lack roots and stability. It going to lack roots and stability. It sort of becomes just therapeutic. It's sort of becomes just therapeutic. It's sort of becomes just therapeutic. It's just something gives you a bit of just something gives you a bit of just something gives you a bit of comfort and you got a swipe card for comfort and you got a swipe card for comfort and you got a swipe card for heaven when you die or something. heaven when you die or something. heaven when you die or something. >> But you're not really entering in to the >> But you're not really entering in to the >> But you're not really entering in to the fullness of what the God of creation has fullness of what the God of creation has fullness of what the God of creation has done through the people of Israel, done through the people of Israel, done through the people of Israel, through the Messiah, through his coming through the Messiah, through his coming through the Messiah, through his coming again, and through the new creation at again, and through the new creation at again, and through the new creation at the end of history. M well if you would the end of history. M well if you would the end of history. M well if you would like a primer through the Old Testament, like a primer through the Old Testament, like a primer through the Old Testament, one that I can recommend is a book that one that I can recommend is a book that one that I can recommend is a book that you wrote called the Old Testament in you wrote called the Old Testament in you wrote called the Old Testament in seven sentences. Uh it's a helpful seven sentences. Uh it's a helpful seven sentences. Uh it's a helpful little series of books that IVP has done little series of books that IVP has done little series of books that IVP has done that kind of gives you a primer on a that kind of gives you a primer on a that kind of gives you a primer on a topic. In this case, the Old Testament.

topic. In this case, the Old Testament. topic. In this case, the Old Testament. Um, so as we start to wrap up our Um, so as we start to wrap up our Um, so as we start to wrap up our conversation here today, Chris, and and conversation here today, Chris, and and conversation here today, Chris, and and we start to put kind of that cap on the we start to put kind of that cap on the we start to put kind of that cap on the on our Old Testament series, next week, on our Old Testament series, next week, on our Old Testament series, next week, we'll be talking about the inner we'll be talking about the inner we'll be talking about the inner testamental period, uh, too. But but for testamental period, uh, too. But but for testamental period, uh, too. But but for right now, as we as as we close on the right now, as we as as we close on the right now, as we as as we close on the Old Testament, what picture are you Old Testament, what picture are you Old Testament, what picture are you painting with the sentences that you painting with the sentences that you painting with the sentences that you chose for for this book? How do you want chose for for this book? How do you want chose for for this book? How do you want to leave our listeners today thinking to leave our listeners today thinking to leave our listeners today thinking about this picture of the Old Testament? about this picture of the Old Testament? about this picture of the Old Testament? >> Thank you. Well, the title wasn't from >> Thank you. Well, the title wasn't from >> Thank you. Well, the title wasn't from me. The title was because as you say, me. The title was because as you say, me. The title was because as you say, it's a little series of books with IVP, it's a little series of books with IVP, it's a little series of books with IVP, something in seven sentences. The New something in seven sentences. The New something in seven sentences. The New Testament, philosophy, and so on. Um, Testament, philosophy, and so on. Um, Testament, philosophy, and so on. Um, and so when I was asked to do it, I and so when I was asked to do it, I and so when I was asked to do it, I thought, well, that's that's that's thought, well, that's that's that's thought, well, that's that's that's interesting. Okay. Um I thought, you interesting. Okay. Um I thought, you interesting. Okay. Um I thought, you know, um Deuteronomy gets it down to know, um Deuteronomy gets it down to know, um Deuteronomy gets it down to five things. Just love, fear, walk obey, five things. Just love, fear, walk obey, five things. Just love, fear, walk obey, you know. Um you know. Um you know. Um >> Jesus gets it down to two, you know, >> Jesus gets it down to two, you know, >> Jesus gets it down to two, you know, love God, love your neighbor. Um and so love God, love your neighbor. Um and so love God, love your neighbor. Um and so it should be easy enough to do it in it should be easy enough to do it in it should be easy enough to do it in seven.

seven. seven. >> Um what I tried to do was, as you might >> Um what I tried to do was, as you might >> Um what I tried to do was, as you might expect from what I've been saying expect from what I've been saying expect from what I've been saying earlier, is to trace the Old Testament earlier, is to trace the Old Testament earlier, is to trace the Old Testament narrative through. So the first sentence narrative through. So the first sentence narrative through. So the first sentence is in the beginning, God created the is in the beginning, God created the is in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So we start there heavens and the earth. So we start there heavens and the earth. So we start there and we then uh say well we look from the and we then uh say well we look from the and we then uh say well we look from the story of creation all that that teaches story of creation all that that teaches story of creation all that that teaches us but then we move on to uh Abraham all us but then we move on to uh Abraham all us but then we move on to uh Abraham all peoples on earth will be blessed through peoples on earth will be blessed through peoples on earth will be blessed through you is the second one because of God's you is the second one because of God's you is the second one because of God's purpose of bringing blessing to the purpose of bringing blessing to the purpose of bringing blessing to the world in spite of the fall. Um but then world in spite of the fall. Um but then world in spite of the fall. Um but then uh the third sentence is that the people uh the third sentence is that the people uh the third sentence is that the people of Israel themselves are in slavery in of Israel themselves are in slavery in of Israel themselves are in slavery in Egypt and they are also sinful so they Egypt and they are also sinful so they Egypt and they are also sinful so they need to be rescued. And so my third need to be rescued. And so my third need to be rescued. And so my third sentence is I am the Lord your God who sentence is I am the Lord your God who sentence is I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt out of the land brought you out of Egypt out of the land brought you out of Egypt out of the land of slavery and use that as a sentence to of slavery and use that as a sentence to of slavery and use that as a sentence to introduce the whole story of Exodus and introduce the whole story of Exodus and introduce the whole story of Exodus and Sinai and the giving of the law and the Sinai and the giving of the law and the Sinai and the giving of the law and the covenant and so on. Um but then you sort covenant and so on. Um but then you sort covenant and so on. Um but then you sort of jump because you've only got seven. I of jump because you've only got seven. I of jump because you've only got seven. I skip through I I I do tell the story but skip through I I I do tell the story but skip through I I I do tell the story but skip through from Joshua and Judges and skip through from Joshua and Judges and skip through from Joshua and Judges and the taking of the land to the kings and the taking of the land to the kings and the taking of the land to the kings and to David. And so the the fourth is uh to David. And so the the fourth is uh to David. And so the the fourth is uh the Lord has sought a man after his own the Lord has sought a man after his own the Lord has sought a man after his own heart and appointed him ruler over his heart and appointed him ruler over his heart and appointed him ruler over his people. And so we talk about the kings people. And so we talk about the kings people. And so we talk about the kings and the kingdom and all that God and the kingdom and all that God and the kingdom and all that God revealed through that. Um and then we revealed through that. Um and then we revealed through that. Um and then we move on to the prophets. Um and I chose move on to the prophets. Um and I chose move on to the prophets. Um and I chose a sentence which many people do know a sentence which many people do know a sentence which many people do know from Micah we referring to earlier. What from Micah we referring to earlier. What from Micah we referring to earlier. What does the Lord your God require of you?

does the Lord your God require of you? does the Lord your God require of you? But to do justice, love kindness, and But to do justice, love kindness, and But to do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly with your God. And I make walk humbly with your God. And I make walk humbly with your God. And I make that the sort of the key text for a that the sort of the key text for a that the sort of the key text for a whole study of what the prophets are whole study of what the prophets are whole study of what the prophets are talking about. Um, but then I wanted talking about. Um, but then I wanted talking about. Um, but then I wanted also to say that the Old Testament does also to say that the Old Testament does also to say that the Old Testament does point us towards the gospel. Uh, in point us towards the gospel. Uh, in point us towards the gospel. Uh, in fact, it's the Old Testament first uses fact, it's the Old Testament first uses fact, it's the Old Testament first uses the language of gospel and good news. the language of gospel and good news. the language of gospel and good news. Preaching good news comes from Isaiah. Preaching good news comes from Isaiah. Preaching good news comes from Isaiah. And so I have the verse, how beautiful And so I have the verse, how beautiful And so I have the verse, how beautiful on the mountains are the feet of the one on the mountains are the feet of the one on the mountains are the feet of the one who brings good news. in Isaiah 52 and who brings good news. in Isaiah 52 and who brings good news. in Isaiah 52 and so show how the Old Testament points so show how the Old Testament points so show how the Old Testament points towards this good news of the God who is towards this good news of the God who is towards this good news of the God who is a savior God which we ultimately see in a savior God which we ultimately see in a savior God which we ultimately see in Christ. But I couldn't leave out the Christ. But I couldn't leave out the Christ. But I couldn't leave out the Psalms and the wisdom. So my last Psalms and the wisdom. So my last Psalms and the wisdom. So my last sentence was simply the Lord is my sentence was simply the Lord is my sentence was simply the Lord is my shepherd because it's maybe the most shepherd because it's maybe the most shepherd because it's maybe the most famous verse uh in the Psalms and then I famous verse uh in the Psalms and then I famous verse uh in the Psalms and then I have a final chapter which talks about have a final chapter which talks about have a final chapter which talks about the worship of Israel and the wisdom the worship of Israel and the wisdom the worship of Israel and the wisdom literature and some of the other uh literature and some of the other uh literature and some of the other uh books. So, those are the seven sentences books. So, those are the seven sentences books. So, those are the seven sentences from creation through to the Psalms, but from creation through to the Psalms, but from creation through to the Psalms, but going through Abraham, Exodus, David, going through Abraham, Exodus, David, going through Abraham, Exodus, David, and the prophets. Uh, it's a short book. and the prophets. Uh, it's a short book. and the prophets. Uh, it's a short book. It's um It's um It's um >> it's it's got more than seven sentences, >> it's it's got more than seven sentences, >> it's it's got more than seven sentences, but it really it's trying to give a sort but it really it's trying to give a sort but it really it's trying to give a sort of overview and a survey. And, you know, of overview and a survey. And, you know, of overview and a survey. And, you know, >> it's just 184 pages what I see. Not too >> it's just 184 pages what I see. Not too >> it's just 184 pages what I see. Not too big. Yeah.

big. Yeah. big. Yeah. >> Not too big. So, people do find it >> Not too big. So, people do find it >> Not too big. So, people do find it helpful just to get their heads around helpful just to get their heads around helpful just to get their heads around it. You know, I'm a great believer in it. You know, I'm a great believer in it. You know, I'm a great believer in trying to get our heads around the big trying to get our heads around the big trying to get our heads around the big picture for something picture for something picture for something >> before we dive into the detail. Exactly >> before we dive into the detail. Exactly >> before we dive into the detail. Exactly right. So, I would encourage everybody right. So, I would encourage everybody right. So, I would encourage everybody to pick up this book along with the to pick up this book along with the to pick up this book along with the Knowing God through the Old Testament Knowing God through the Old Testament Knowing God through the Old Testament series and really just dive in, really series and really just dive in, really series and really just dive in, really get your feet wet, get your hands dirty get your feet wet, get your hands dirty get your feet wet, get your hands dirty through the Old Testament because as through the Old Testament because as through the Old Testament because as we've been talking about through this we've been talking about through this we've been talking about through this whole episode today, it will not only just benefit your it will not only just benefit your relationship with God to know his grand relationship with God to know his grand relationship with God to know his grand picture through his word and and picture through his word and and picture through his word and and everything that he reveals about everything that he reveals about everything that he reveals about himself. But as we then dig into the the himself. But as we then dig into the the himself. But as we then dig into the the New Testament, you're standing on this New Testament, you're standing on this New Testament, you're standing on this firmer foundation of what you know to be firmer foundation of what you know to be firmer foundation of what you know to be true of God as he has revealed himself true of God as he has revealed himself true of God as he has revealed himself through the Old Testament and the the through the Old Testament and the the through the Old Testament and the the what, the why, the how, but most what, the why, the how, but most what, the why, the how, but most importantly, like we talked about the importantly, like we talked about the importantly, like we talked about the who and that's what's going to and so as who and that's what's going to and so as who and that's what's going to and so as we enter into we enter into we enter into the New Testament and as most people and the New Testament and as most people and the New Testament and as most people and churches spend a good chunk of their churches spend a good chunk of their churches spend a good chunk of their time in the New Testament, Having that time in the New Testament, Having that time in the New Testament, Having that firm foundation is just going to firm foundation is just going to firm foundation is just going to continue to build continue to build continue to build you're going to continue to build your you're going to continue to build your you're going to continue to build your faith upon a solid ground with a deeper faith upon a solid ground with a deeper faith upon a solid ground with a deeper understanding and knowledge and understanding and knowledge and understanding and knowledge and wrestling with through of the Old wrestling with through of the Old wrestling with through of the Old Testament. So that's my encouragement to Testament. So that's my encouragement to Testament. So that's my encouragement to you Chris. Thank you so much for being you Chris. Thank you so much for being you Chris. Thank you so much for being with us today and helping us put this

with us today and helping us put this with us today and helping us put this capstone like I said on the Old capstone like I said on the Old capstone like I said on the Old Testament. I've really appreciated it Testament. I've really appreciated it Testament. I've really appreciated it and I'm sure our listeners have as well. and I'm sure our listeners have as well. and I'm sure our listeners have as well. Would you mind closing us in prayer? Would you mind closing us in prayer? Would you mind closing us in prayer? Specifically praying for people as they Specifically praying for people as they Specifically praying for people as they sit with this as as they think back on sit with this as as they think back on sit with this as as they think back on the Old Testament, as they look forward the Old Testament, as they look forward the Old Testament, as they look forward into into into the new and uh and as we want to spend the new and uh and as we want to spend the new and uh and as we want to spend more time and diving in and appreciation more time and diving in and appreciation more time and diving in and appreciation into God's word. into God's word. into God's word. >> Yeah, very happy to do that, Jason. >> Yeah, very happy to do that, Jason. >> Yeah, very happy to do that, Jason. Thank you. Yes. Our loving heavenly Thank you. Yes. Our loving heavenly Thank you. Yes. Our loving heavenly father, we thank you that we are able to father, we thank you that we are able to father, we thank you that we are able to know you as our heavenly father through know you as our heavenly father through know you as our heavenly father through your son Jesus Christ and through the your son Jesus Christ and through the your son Jesus Christ and through the power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you for power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you for power of the Holy Spirit. Thank you for the full revelation of yourself that the full revelation of yourself that the full revelation of yourself that you've given to us in the whole of your you've given to us in the whole of your you've given to us in the whole of your word. This wonderful cannon of scripture word. This wonderful cannon of scripture word. This wonderful cannon of scripture from Genesis to Revelation. But we from Genesis to Revelation. But we from Genesis to Revelation. But we particularly thank you for the richness particularly thank you for the richness particularly thank you for the richness and depth uh that we have in what we and depth uh that we have in what we and depth uh that we have in what we call the Old Testament, the the Bible of call the Old Testament, the the Bible of call the Old Testament, the the Bible of Jesus, the scripture of the apostles. Jesus, the scripture of the apostles. Jesus, the scripture of the apostles. And I thank you Lord for these men and And I thank you Lord for these men and And I thank you Lord for these men and women who are seeking to understand it women who are seeking to understand it women who are seeking to understand it better. I pray for them. I pray that better. I pray for them. I pray that better. I pray for them. I pray that they will be able to through the help of they will be able to through the help of they will be able to through the help of your Holy Spirit and uh all that Jason your Holy Spirit and uh all that Jason your Holy Spirit and uh all that Jason is putting into these uh these podcasts is putting into these uh these podcasts is putting into these uh these podcasts and programs to understand it better.

and programs to understand it better. and programs to understand it better. That your Holy Spirit will give That your Holy Spirit will give That your Holy Spirit will give illumination that they may be uh able to illumination that they may be uh able to illumination that they may be uh able to avoid um false and mistaken and avoid um false and mistaken and avoid um false and mistaken and misleading interpretations and to be misleading interpretations and to be misleading interpretations and to be able to find out what it is that you are able to find out what it is that you are able to find out what it is that you are seeking to say still through your word. seeking to say still through your word. seeking to say still through your word. Thank you, Lord, for the way the Psalms Thank you, Lord, for the way the Psalms Thank you, Lord, for the way the Psalms speak of your word as a word of light speak of your word as a word of light speak of your word as a word of light and of life and of truth. And we pray and of life and of truth. And we pray and of life and of truth. And we pray that these may be the things that that these may be the things that that these may be the things that through the Lord Jesus Christ and the through the Lord Jesus Christ and the through the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit uh all of us may lean on and Holy Spirit uh all of us may lean on and Holy Spirit uh all of us may lean on and grow into and ultimately know you better grow into and ultimately know you better grow into and ultimately know you better through knowing your word better. For we through knowing your word better. For we through knowing your word better. For we ask it in Jesus' name. Amen.