Navigating the Bible: 2 Peter/Jude

In view of all this, make every effort In view of all this, make every effort to [music] respond to God's promises. to [music] respond to God's promises. to [music] respond to God's promises. Supplement your faith with a generous Supplement your faith with a generous Supplement your faith with a generous provision [music] of moral excellence provision [music] of moral excellence provision [music] of moral excellence and moral excellence with knowledge and and moral excellence with knowledge and and moral excellence with knowledge and [music] knowledge with self-control and [music] knowledge with self-control and [music] knowledge with self-control and self-control with patient endurance and self-control with patient endurance and self-control with patient endurance and patient endurance with godliness and patient endurance with godliness and patient endurance with godliness and godliness [music] godliness [music] godliness [music] with brotherly affection with brotherly affection with brotherly affection and brotherly affection [music] with and brotherly affection [music] with and brotherly affection [music] with love for everyone. love for everyone. love for everyone. The more you grow like this, the more The more you grow like this, the more The more you grow like this, the more [music] [music] [music] productive and useful you will be in productive and useful you will be in productive and useful you will be in your knowledge [music] of our Lord Jesus your knowledge [music] of our Lord Jesus your knowledge [music] of our Lord Jesus Christ. Christ. Christ. Second Peter 1:es 5-8. [music] I'm going to start with something I'm going to start with something obvious. obvious. obvious. Second Peter and Jude aren't [music] Second Peter and Jude aren't [music] Second Peter and Jude aren't [music] next to each other in the biblical next to each other in the biblical next to each other in the biblical order. So, order. So, order. So, why then are these [music] books so why then are these [music] books so why then are these [music] books so often linked? Wouldn't it make more often linked? Wouldn't it make more often linked? Wouldn't it make more sense to do First Peter and Second Peter sense to do First Peter and Second Peter sense to do First Peter and Second Peter together? These might be questions that together? These might be questions that together? These might be questions that you've been asking when you saw the you've been asking when you saw the you've been asking when you saw the title of this episode. But our guest title of this episode. But our guest title of this episode. But our guest today does [music] well to explain why today does [music] well to explain why today does [music] well to explain why these letters, second Peter and Jude, these letters, second Peter and Jude, these letters, second Peter and Jude, [music] are linked. But I I'll spoil a [music] are linked. But I I'll spoil a [music] are linked. But I I'll spoil a little of it here because these letters little of it here because these letters little of it here because these letters hit hard on a similar theme.

hit hard on a similar theme. hit hard on a similar theme. pursuing virtue. pursuing virtue. pursuing virtue. These are letters of encouragement, These are letters of encouragement, These are letters of encouragement, reminders to readers to be aware of reminders to readers to be aware of reminders to readers to be aware of false teachers and the trappings of the false teachers and the trappings of the false teachers and the trappings of the world and to focus steadfastly on the world and to focus steadfastly on the world and to focus steadfastly on the virtuous way of Christ. virtuous way of Christ. virtuous way of Christ. These letters are beautiful reminders of These letters are beautiful reminders of These letters are beautiful reminders of God's love for you [music] God's love for you [music] God's love for you [music] as you continue to as you continue to as you continue to quoting Peter here make every effort to quoting Peter here make every effort to quoting Peter here make every effort to be found living [music] peaceful lives be found living [music] peaceful lives be found living [music] peaceful lives that are pure and blameless blameless in that are pure and blameless blameless in that are pure and blameless blameless in his sight. his sight. his sight. So to help us navigate this second Peter So to help us navigate this second Peter So to help us navigate this second Peter [music] and Jude is Peter Davids, [music] and Jude is Peter Davids, [music] and Jude is Peter Davids, retired professor of Christianity at retired professor of Christianity at retired professor of Christianity at Houston Baptist University while also Houston Baptist University while also Houston Baptist University while also having taught at Regent College, Trinity having taught at Regent College, Trinity having taught at Regent College, Trinity School, [music] School, [music] School, [music] and the Canadian Theological Seminary. and the Canadian Theological Seminary. and the Canadian Theological Seminary. And Peter is also the author of a And Peter is also the author of a And Peter is also the author of a commentary on [music] second Peter and commentary on [music] second Peter and commentary on [music] second Peter and Jude. Now before we dive in with Peter, Jude. Now before we dive in with Peter, Jude. Now before we dive in with Peter, I just wanted to give a quick note. When I just wanted to give a quick note. When I just wanted to give a quick note. When we [music] recorded, Peter was midmove, we [music] recorded, Peter was midmove, we [music] recorded, Peter was midmove, so his internet connection was a little so his internet connection was a little so his internet connection was a little spotty. I did my best to edit out lags, spotty. I did my best to edit out lags, spotty. I did my best to edit out lags, [music] but you'll notice a few lags [music] but you'll notice a few lags [music] but you'll notice a few lags remaining here and there. Still, this remaining here and there. Still, this remaining here and there. Still, this was a wonderful conversation and and was a wonderful conversation and and was a wonderful conversation and and [music] [music] [music] primer on these books. So, I hope you primer on these books. So, I hope you primer on these books. So, I hope you enjoy this conversation [music] on enjoy this conversation [music] on enjoy this conversation [music] on second Peter and Jude.

second Peter and Jude. second Peter and Jude. My name is Jason [music] Wland and this My name is Jason [music] Wland and this My name is Jason [music] Wland and this is dual disciplehip. Navigating the is dual disciplehip. Navigating the is dual disciplehip. Navigating the Bible, second Peter and Jude. All right. I get to be here today with All right. I get to be here today with Peter Davids talking about Second Peter Peter Davids talking about Second Peter Peter Davids talking about Second Peter and Jude. Peter, it's great to be with and Jude. Peter, it's great to be with and Jude. Peter, it's great to be with you. Thank you for joining us. you. Thank you for joining us. you. Thank you for joining us. >> Most welcome. Glad to be here. >> Most welcome. Glad to be here. >> Most welcome. Glad to be here. >> Yeah, it's going to be so much fun. So, >> Yeah, it's going to be so much fun. So, >> Yeah, it's going to be so much fun. So, so this is our first iteration I think so this is our first iteration I think so this is our first iteration I think of looking at two books not by the same of looking at two books not by the same of looking at two books not by the same author. So, so can you um as as author. So, so can you um as as author. So, so can you um as as everybody who's listening has read the everybody who's listening has read the everybody who's listening has read the title for the episode, I'm assuming you title for the episode, I'm assuming you title for the episode, I'm assuming you clicked on it and you saw it says second clicked on it and you saw it says second clicked on it and you saw it says second Peter and Jude. When you look at Peter and Jude. When you look at Peter and Jude. When you look at commentaries through books of the Bible, commentaries through books of the Bible, commentaries through books of the Bible, you see second Peter and Jude tied you see second Peter and Jude tied you see second Peter and Jude tied together so often. So, let's start with together so often. So, let's start with together so often. So, let's start with this and then we'll get into authorship this and then we'll get into authorship this and then we'll get into authorship and kind of dates and all the fun stuff and kind of dates and all the fun stuff and kind of dates and all the fun stuff that we kind of set the table with. But that we kind of set the table with. But that we kind of set the table with. But why are second Peter and Jude so often why are second Peter and Jude so often why are second Peter and Jude so often tied together.

tied together. tied together. >> Well, as you read them, you it becomes >> Well, as you read them, you it becomes >> Well, as you read them, you it becomes fairly obvious. fairly obvious. fairly obvious. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That um second Peter has used Jude. >> That um second Peter has used Jude. >> That um second Peter has used Jude. >> Uh at least I would I would put it in >> Uh at least I would I would put it in >> Uh at least I would I would put it in that order. uh that he knew the content that order. uh that he knew the content that order. uh that he knew the content and is adapting the content to a new to and is adapting the content to a new to and is adapting the content to a new to a situation. So that's um uh really ties a situation. So that's um uh really ties a situation. So that's um uh really ties them together. Some people, you know, them together. Some people, you know, them together. Some people, you know, think, well, why can't you toss one out think, well, why can't you toss one out think, well, why can't you toss one out or toss the other out? Well, the fact is or toss the other out? Well, the fact is or toss the other out? Well, the fact is um you have uh these two just like uh um you have uh these two just like uh um you have uh these two just like uh because they have different approaches because they have different approaches because they have different approaches to the same uh uh topic. But um uh you to the same uh uh topic. But um uh you to the same uh uh topic. But um uh you know they [clears throat] borrow from know they [clears throat] borrow from know they [clears throat] borrow from one another just as you look at uh say one another just as you look at uh say one another just as you look at uh say uh Kings and Chronicles you find uh Kings and Chronicles you find uh Kings and Chronicles you find [snorts] them overlapping in the Old [snorts] them overlapping in the Old [snorts] them overlapping in the Old Testament. Testament. Testament. >> Okay. So that's helpful context for us >> Okay. So that's helpful context for us >> Okay. So that's helpful context for us is we're dealing with some of the same is we're dealing with some of the same is we're dealing with some of the same themes. They're really talking about the themes. They're really talking about the themes. They're really talking about the same topics and and as you iterated it same topics and and as you iterated it same topics and and as you iterated it seems kind of clear that Peter had read seems kind of clear that Peter had read seems kind of clear that Peter had read Jew had had seen this and wanted to kind Jew had had seen this and wanted to kind Jew had had seen this and wanted to kind of use it in his letter that he's of use it in his letter that he's of use it in his letter that he's talking about. So, let's then talk about talking about. So, let's then talk about talking about. So, let's then talk about these authors. We talked a little bit these authors. We talked a little bit these authors. We talked a little bit last week about Peter in our first Peter last week about Peter in our first Peter last week about Peter in our first Peter um episode, but but what would you like um episode, but but what would you like um episode, but but what would you like to say to us about Peter? And then can to say to us about Peter? And then can to say to us about Peter? And then can you introduce us to Jude as well?

you introduce us to Jude as well? you introduce us to Jude as well? >> Well, the problems with the um with uh >> Well, the problems with the um with uh >> Well, the problems with the um with uh second Peter and Jude uh is really when second Peter and Jude uh is really when second Peter and Jude uh is really when you start saying what do you mean by an you start saying what do you mean by an you start saying what do you mean by an author? [laughter] author? [laughter] author? [laughter] Uh fair point Uh fair point Uh fair point >> because um what we know about Peter um >> because um what we know about Peter um >> because um what we know about Peter um from the Bible of course is that he was from the Bible of course is that he was from the Bible of course is that he was a Galilean. He was uh shall I say a less a Galilean. He was uh shall I say a less a Galilean. He was uh shall I say a less educated gall from a less educated glass educated gall from a less educated glass educated gall from a less educated glass as was Jesus. Uh and um but that um uh as was Jesus. Uh and um but that um uh as was Jesus. Uh and um but that um uh he did not have the uh have a lot of he did not have the uh have a lot of he did not have the uh have a lot of linguistic skills. He seems to have um linguistic skills. He seems to have um linguistic skills. He seems to have um he would have had some working knowledge he would have had some working knowledge he would have had some working knowledge at least for trades purposes of Greek. at least for trades purposes of Greek. at least for trades purposes of Greek. But we later learn of course that he But we later learn of course that he But we later learn of course that he goes all the way to Rome is um uh uh goes all the way to Rome is um uh uh goes all the way to Rome is um uh uh executed executed executed in Rome. But um uh it you wonder where in Rome. But um uh it you wonder where in Rome. But um uh it you wonder where does uh the writing come from? Well, um, does uh the writing come from? Well, um, does uh the writing come from? Well, um, Papius tells us that he had Mark with Papius tells us that he had Mark with Papius tells us that he had Mark with him him him >> and that, um, Mark was, um, his, uh, his >> and that, um, Mark was, um, his, uh, his >> and that, um, Mark was, um, his, uh, his writer. In fact, it says after his writer. In fact, it says after his writer. In fact, it says after his death, the church asked Mark to write death, the church asked Mark to write death, the church asked Mark to write down what Peter had been saying. Now, down what Peter had been saying. Now, down what Peter had been saying. Now, just as I working for a a pastor at one just as I working for a a pastor at one just as I working for a a pastor at one point, um, and hearing him do the same

point, um, and hearing him do the same point, um, and hearing him do the same seminar over and over again, uh, was seminar over and over again, uh, was seminar over and over again, uh, was able to, um, uh, script it or pretty able to, um, uh, script it or pretty able to, um, uh, script it or pretty well script it, put in some of my own well script it, put in some of my own well script it, put in some of my own stuff because he wanted me to. Sure. stuff because he wanted me to. Sure. stuff because he wanted me to. Sure. >> Uh, but, uh, using even the same >> Uh, but, uh, using even the same >> Uh, but, uh, using even the same examples because I'd heard them so many examples because I'd heard them so many examples because I'd heard them so many times. [laughter] times. [laughter] times. [laughter] And um [snorts] uh uh so Mark was able And um [snorts] uh uh so Mark was able And um [snorts] uh uh so Mark was able to do that with Peter. If he it said to do that with Peter. If he it said to do that with Peter. If he it said Mark had been Peter's translator. Mark had been Peter's translator. Mark had been Peter's translator. >> So he needed a translator into Greek or >> So he needed a translator into Greek or >> So he needed a translator into Greek or possibly Latin. In those days they said possibly Latin. In those days they said possibly Latin. In those days they said you could hear you would hear Greek you could hear you would hear Greek you could hear you would hear Greek spoken as much in Rome as Latin. spoken as much in Rome as Latin. spoken as much in Rome as Latin. >> But um so we don't really know uh which. >> But um so we don't really know uh which. >> But um so we don't really know uh which. But here he is there, you know, and uh But here he is there, you know, and uh But here he is there, you know, and uh hey, you you worked with him. You that hey, you you worked with him. You that hey, you you worked with him. You that stuff so many times. Get it down on stuff so many times. Get it down on stuff so many times. Get it down on parchment for us. parchment for us. parchment for us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's what he does. >> And that's what he does. >> And that's what he does. >> Uh that's what he does. Well, okay. We >> Uh that's what he does. Well, okay. We >> Uh that's what he does. Well, okay. We move here. We see in second Peter a very move here. We see in second Peter a very move here. We see in second Peter a very different Greek than say First Peter.

different Greek than say First Peter. different Greek than say First Peter. First Peter is what's called Addi. Uh uh First Peter is what's called Addi. Uh uh First Peter is what's called Addi. Uh uh second Peter is what's called um Asiatic second Peter is what's called um Asiatic second Peter is what's called um Asiatic and uh Asiatic means that it's from Asia and uh Asiatic means that it's from Asia and uh Asiatic means that it's from Asia Minor. Uh Peter seems to have ministered Minor. Uh Peter seems to have ministered Minor. Uh Peter seems to have ministered there and of course if you're writing to there and of course if you're writing to there and of course if you're writing to them and it's it's a more bombastic them and it's it's a more bombastic them and it's it's a more bombastic u you know u you know u you know a little bit different. a little bit different. a little bit different. So Jesus uh there you there you have So Jesus uh there you there you have So Jesus uh there you there you have you have I wanted to say you have I wanted to say you have I wanted to say >> the scribe whether it was Mark or >> the scribe whether it was Mark or >> the scribe whether it was Mark or somebody else who was given a lot of somebody else who was given a lot of somebody else who was given a lot of were these letters being written what I were these letters being written what I were these letters being written what I wanted to say in first Peter it makes it wanted to say in first Peter it makes it wanted to say in first Peter it makes it very clear he's saying I'm writing to very clear he's saying I'm writing to very clear he's saying I'm writing to these people are in jail at the time these people are in jail at the time these people are in jail at the time second Peter and Jude both just kind of second Peter and Jude both just kind of second Peter and Jude both just kind of say I'm writing to all who have been say I'm writing to all who have been say I'm writing to all who have been called by God.

called by God. called by God. So who would you say that these the So who would you say that these the So who would you say that these the audiences for these letters were at the audiences for these letters were at the audiences for these letters were at the time jails time jails time jails and so on through them anyway Christians and so on through them anyway Christians and so on through them anyway Christians in the asatic area just um you know you in the asatic area just um you know you in the asatic area just um you know you know the same way know the same way know the same way here's the way you know here's the way you know here's the way you know and uh maybe he knew that the problem and uh maybe he knew that the problem and uh maybe he knew that the problem was adapted to this situation knew that was adapted to this situation knew that was adapted to this situation knew that the problem got okay so so that's the problem got okay so so that's the problem got okay so so that's helpful as we think helpful as we think helpful as we think this letter this letter this letter and just putting it into the historical and just putting it into the historical and just putting it into the historical context too of of what was probably context too of of what was probably context too of of what was probably happening at the time. So then let's happening at the time. So then let's happening at the time. So then let's then look at who is Jude. We haven't then look at who is Jude. We haven't then look at who is Jude. We haven't talked much about Jude on this podcast talked much about Jude on this podcast talked much about Jude on this podcast that area. that area. that area. >> Um >> Um >> Um an interesting character because of an interesting character because of an interesting character because of course he identifies his area though course he identifies his area though course he identifies his area though Petra has a lot of um news flip over. Petra has a lot of um news flip over. Petra has a lot of um news flip over. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> That's true. Uh [snorts] he he says >> That's true. Uh [snorts] he he says >> That's true. Uh [snorts] he he says >> what do we know about the timeline about >> what do we know about the timeline about >> what do we know about the timeline about when these letters were written when these letters were written when these letters were written >> mother of James now the church is >> mother of James now the church is >> mother of James now the church is develment Jesus or church you don't know sometimes Jesus or church you don't know sometimes you've had convers ations in someone and you've had convers ations in someone and you've had convers ations in someone and not really brother not really brother not really brother >> a while after the death church says what

>> a while after the death church says what >> a while after the death church says what did Peter say about this did Peter say about this did Peter say about this >> he was you know will you put it down for >> he was you know will you put it down for >> he was you know will you put it down for us us us >> sure >> sure >> sure >> you know you know so >> whether it's >> whether it's remembrances of what Peter had said remembrances of what Peter had said remembrances of what Peter had said about these types of things or whether about these types of things or whether about these types of things or whether it is um uh you know be in the 60 it is um uh you know be in the 60 it is um uh you know be in the 60 because in the mid60s He's uh before 64 because in the mid60s He's uh before 64 because in the mid60s He's uh before 64 uh Peter was um 64 [snorts] uh Peter was um 64 [snorts] uh Peter was um 64 [snorts] approximately he was executed. approximately he was executed. approximately he was executed. >> Okay. I'm going to give you a choice >> Okay. I'm going to give you a choice >> Okay. I'm going to give you a choice here Peter. I'm going to have so so here Peter. I'm going to have so so here Peter. I'm going to have so so usually I ask the question how would you usually I ask the question how would you usually I ask the question how would you describe this book in one sentence? I'm describe this book in one sentence? I'm describe this book in one sentence? I'm going to give you the choice because going to give you the choice because going to give you the choice because there is so many similarities with these there is so many similarities with these there is so many similarities with these books. You can either describe them books. You can either describe them books. You can either describe them together in one sentence or if you want together in one sentence or if you want together in one sentence or if you want you can take each one individually. >> Yeah. Um in one sentence I think I would >> Yeah. Um in one sentence I think I would say uh pursue say uh pursue say uh pursue uh pursue virtue.

uh pursue virtue. uh pursue virtue. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh because there are people around you because there are people around you because there are people around you leading Christians into vice. um leading Christians into vice. um leading Christians into vice. um >> leaders around you >> leaders around you >> leaders around you >> preserve virtue because there are people >> preserve virtue because there are people >> preserve virtue because there are people around you who are leading others into around you who are leading others into around you who are leading others into vice. vice. vice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So yeah, >> So yeah, >> So yeah, >> it's not it's not saying rant against >> it's not it's not saying rant against >> it's not it's not saying rant against vice [laughter] vice [laughter] vice [laughter] >> or >> or >> or you know tell those guys they're going you know tell those guys they're going you know tell those guys they're going to hell. to hell. to hell. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um though there's some warnings in here. >> Um though there's some warnings in here. >> Um though there's some warnings in here. uh but rather you pursue uh but rather you pursue uh but rather you pursue >> the good that just push harder in the >> the good that just push harder in the >> the good that just push harder in the right direction. right direction. right direction. >> That's good pastoral advice. By the way, >> That's good pastoral advice. By the way, >> That's good pastoral advice. By the way, >> I was just going to say I like that >> I was just going to say I like that >> I was just going to say I like that message quite a lot. [laughter] message quite a lot. [laughter] message quite a lot. [laughter] Okay. Okay. Okay. >> If a person if a person tells me they're >> If a person if a person tells me they're >> If a person if a person tells me they're trying to get over uh some problem in trying to get over uh some problem in trying to get over uh some problem in their life, you know, I say, "Well, their life, you know, I say, "Well, their life, you know, I say, "Well, okay, what can you do than the other okay, what can you do than the other okay, what can you do than the other direction?" Whenever you feel tempted, direction?" Whenever you feel tempted, direction?" Whenever you feel tempted, work uh go in the opposite direction. Go work uh go in the opposite direction. Go work uh go in the opposite direction. Go in the direction of the good.

in the direction of the good. in the direction of the good. >> Yeah. Momentum in the good is not just >> Yeah. Momentum in the good is not just >> Yeah. Momentum in the good is not just it won't just keep you from the nature it won't just keep you from the nature it won't just keep you from the nature of the vice that you are running from. of the vice that you are running from. of the vice that you are running from. It's cuz you have the moment. You are It's cuz you have the moment. You are It's cuz you have the moment. You are being forwardly pushed elsewhere. But it being forwardly pushed elsewhere. But it being forwardly pushed elsewhere. But it also is a more winsome witness about the also is a more winsome witness about the also is a more winsome witness about the nature of the good and away from vi than nature of the good and away from vi than nature of the good and away from vi than just going and actively saying don't do just going and actively saying don't do just going and actively saying don't do this, don't do this, don't do this, this, don't do this, don't do this, this, don't do this, don't do this, don't do this. Instead, it's presenting don't do this. Instead, it's presenting don't do this. Instead, it's presenting a picture of what the good what a good a picture of what the good what a good a picture of what the good what a good what the life is like when in pursuit of what the life is like when in pursuit of what the life is like when in pursuit of the good. the good. the good. >> Right. And some decades ago, I learned >> Right. And some decades ago, I learned >> Right. And some decades ago, I learned in psychology, in psychology, in psychology, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> at Weeden, uh that um negative >> at Weeden, uh that um negative >> at Weeden, uh that um negative reinforcement, that is punishment and uh reinforcement, that is punishment and uh reinforcement, that is punishment and uh your your negative is not as effective your your negative is not as effective your your negative is not as effective as positive reinforcement of what you as positive reinforcement of what you as positive reinforcement of what you want, say, a child to do. want, say, a child to do. want, say, a child to do. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. and um pushing filling the space with and um pushing filling the space with and um pushing filling the space with the good and so pushing the bad out.

the good and so pushing the bad out. the good and so pushing the bad out. >> Yep. For sure. Okay. So, let's talk >> Yep. For sure. Okay. So, let's talk >> Yep. For sure. Okay. So, let's talk about the flow of these books. What are about the flow of these books. What are about the flow of these books. What are what are we being taken through over the what are we being taken through over the what are we being taken through over the course of these letters? Now, this it's course of these letters? Now, this it's course of these letters? Now, this it's not like they're long letters. Second not like they're long letters. Second not like they're long letters. Second Peter is broken into three chapters. Peter is broken into three chapters. Peter is broken into three chapters. Jude is just the one. But what what is Jude is just the one. But what what is Jude is just the one. But what what is what are the authors here being um what are the authors here being um what are the authors here being um taking the readers through? taking the readers through? taking the readers through? >> Well, they're they're first of course um >> Well, they're they're first of course um >> Well, they're they're first of course um uh greeting them and uh I I think that's uh greeting them and uh I I think that's uh greeting them and uh I I think that's uh important because they identify the uh important because they identify the uh important because they identify the father and kept for Christ Jesus Christ. father and kept for Christ Jesus Christ. father and kept for Christ Jesus Christ. Um Um Um here he's you know that's um he starts here he's you know that's um he starts here he's you know that's um he starts off on the positive but then in Jude he off on the positive but then in Jude he off on the positive but then in Jude he quickly gets into the negative quickly gets into the negative quickly gets into the negative >> uh the uh the people who in uh Jude have >> uh the uh the people who in uh Jude have >> uh the uh the people who in uh Jude have uh risen I think it's Jude has risen up uh risen I think it's Jude has risen up uh risen I think it's Jude has risen up within the community.

within the community. within the community. >> Yeah. uh whereas >> Yeah. uh whereas >> Yeah. uh whereas uh second Peter, they've come in from uh second Peter, they've come in from uh second Peter, they've come in from outside the community outside the community outside the community and then he ends up on what they're and then he ends up on what they're and then he ends up on what they're supposed to do in their lives supposed to do in their lives supposed to do in their lives >> uh at the end. So that's the sort of the >> uh at the end. So that's the sort of the >> uh at the end. So that's the sort of the the flow. Second Peter is uh is a little the flow. Second Peter is uh is a little the flow. Second Peter is uh is a little bit different because he spends more bit different because he spends more bit different because he spends more time on the wonderful things God has time on the wonderful things God has time on the wonderful things God has done for them and how to go deeper in done for them and how to go deeper in done for them and how to go deeper in and further out to quote Alan. and further out to quote Alan. and further out to quote Alan. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh uh and uh in um uh the Chronicles of >> Uh uh and uh in um uh the Chronicles of >> Uh uh and uh in um uh the Chronicles of Narnia, Narnia, Narnia, >> which I find a very poignant picture for >> which I find a very poignant picture for >> which I find a very poignant picture for me. uh you know pursuing virtue. Yeah. me. uh you know pursuing virtue. Yeah. me. uh you know pursuing virtue. Yeah. And only then does he transition into And only then does he transition into And only then does he transition into these uh guys that have uh come in and these uh guys that have uh come in and these uh guys that have uh come in and um are spreading all sorts of junk um are spreading all sorts of junk um are spreading all sorts of junk >> and but then uh then he uh >> and but then uh then he uh >> and but then uh then he uh has a esqueological section we might say has a esqueological section we might say has a esqueological section we might say at the end where he talks about um yes at the end where he talks about um yes at the end where he talks about um yes don't worry God's going to take care of don't worry God's going to take care of don't worry God's going to take care of it all.

it all. it all. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And uh and that that's the way he ends. >> And uh and that that's the way he ends. >> And uh and that that's the way he ends. >> Um yeah, I'm excited to come back to >> Um yeah, I'm excited to come back to >> Um yeah, I'm excited to come back to that part in a minute, too, because I I that part in a minute, too, because I I that part in a minute, too, because I I think I think there's a there's a beauty think I think there's a there's a beauty think I think there's a there's a beauty in how and how that letter chooses to to in how and how that letter chooses to to in how and how that letter chooses to to to end. But but but let's talk about to end. But but but let's talk about to end. But but but let's talk about some of the major themes that we see some of the major themes that we see some of the major themes that we see throughout these uh two letters. What throughout these uh two letters. What throughout these uh two letters. What are the major themes that they're are the major themes that they're are the major themes that they're tackling here? Uh well um tackling here? Uh well um tackling here? Uh well um and whether to separate them or not but and whether to separate them or not but and whether to separate them or not but [laughter] um I I'll just essentially [laughter] um I I'll just essentially [laughter] um I I'll just essentially Jude will come in in the second major Jude will come in in the second major Jude will come in in the second major theme of of uh first Peter. The uh in theme of of uh first Peter. The uh in theme of of uh first Peter. The uh in first Peter first Peter first Peter uh his first theme is what I call uh his first theme is what I call uh his first theme is what I call epicnostic salvation. M epicnostic salvation. M epicnostic salvation. M >> epicnosis is is coming is knowing. It's >> epicnosis is is coming is knowing. It's >> epicnosis is is coming is knowing. It's knowledge. But uh it's knowledge like of knowledge. But uh it's knowledge like of knowledge. But uh it's knowledge like of a person.

a person. a person. >> Like um uh I might have known about you >> Like um uh I might have known about you >> Like um uh I might have known about you if I had read your biography. if I had read your biography. if I had read your biography. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> But interacting with you in this >> But interacting with you in this >> But interacting with you in this podcast, I know you in a different way podcast, I know you in a different way podcast, I know you in a different way than I'd ever get out of your biography. than I'd ever get out of your biography. than I'd ever get out of your biography. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. So um uh but this is epic uh we Okay. So um uh but this is epic uh we Okay. So um uh but this is epic uh we get coming to know to experience to uh get coming to know to experience to uh get coming to know to experience to uh um Jesus is his term for salvation. It's um Jesus is his term for salvation. It's um Jesus is his term for salvation. It's unique to second Peter unique to second Peter unique to second Peter >> and how you move deeper into it is >> and how you move deeper into it is >> and how you move deeper into it is through uh growing in virtue. M through uh growing in virtue. M through uh growing in virtue. M >> and so there you have his virtue list. >> and so there you have his virtue list. >> and so there you have his virtue list. Uh uh Uh uh Uh uh um whereas for Jude that's what they are um whereas for Jude that's what they are um whereas for Jude that's what they are in Christ is very shortly uh very in Christ is very shortly uh very in Christ is very shortly uh very succinctly presented. Moving on, uh the succinctly presented. Moving on, uh the succinctly presented. Moving on, uh the second major theme is uh these guys that second major theme is uh these guys that second major theme is uh these guys that either have risen up within the either have risen up within the either have risen up within the community or come into the community community or come into the community community or come into the community depending on which work you're you're depending on which work you're you're depending on which work you're you're talking about. Um they are um teachers.

talking about. Um they are um teachers. talking about. Um they are um teachers. Um for first Peter, Um for first Peter, Um for first Peter, he transitions he transitions he transitions through the prophetic word of um that through the prophetic word of um that through the prophetic word of um that he's seen fulfill in the um uh in the he's seen fulfill in the um uh in the he's seen fulfill in the um uh in the transfiguration of Jesus, which for him transfiguration of Jesus, which for him transfiguration of Jesus, which for him seems to be his inauguration as king. seems to be his inauguration as king. seems to be his inauguration as king. um whether he sees himself looking into um whether he sees himself looking into um whether he sees himself looking into the timeless world then or um how he the timeless world then or um how he the timeless world then or um how he considers whether he considers the considers whether he considers the considers whether he considers the transfiguration in time as being um the transfiguration in time as being um the transfiguration in time as being um the time he that Jesus is inaugurated as time he that Jesus is inaugurated as time he that Jesus is inaugurated as king. And he says well all this was what king. And he says well all this was what king. And he says well all this was what the prophet spoke about noting the unity the prophet spoke about noting the unity the prophet spoke about noting the unity of scripture there. And as he he moves of scripture there. And as he he moves of scripture there. And as he he moves um right on to say, "Ah, yes, but there um right on to say, "Ah, yes, but there um right on to say, "Ah, yes, but there are there were false prophets back are there were false prophets back are there were false prophets back there. Now there's false prophets among there. Now there's false prophets among there. Now there's false prophets among you, you, you, >> false teachers among you that have come >> false teachers among you that have come >> false teachers among you that have come in." And then he goes on. Now the theme in." And then he goes on. Now the theme in." And then he goes on. Now the theme there is um is uh that they're they've there is um is uh that they're they've there is um is uh that they're they've let their passions their desires let their passions their desires let their passions their desires um run a muck and they are somehow um run a muck and they are somehow um run a muck and they are somehow justifying that justifying that justifying that >> and um uh by the way that's also a major >> and um uh by the way that's also a major >> and um uh by the way that's also a major theme of James.

theme of James. theme of James. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which I've of course worked in. >> Which I've of course worked in. >> Which I've of course worked in. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And that's how I got into it. [laughter] >> And that's how I got into it. [laughter] >> And that's how I got into it. [laughter] uh you you write on one of these books uh you you write on one of these books uh you you write on one of these books and they say, "Oh, somebody is willing and they say, "Oh, somebody is willing and they say, "Oh, somebody is willing to write on these books and uh then I to write on these books and uh then I to write on these books and uh then I wasn't quite finished with James when wasn't quite finished with James when wasn't quite finished with James when somebody asked me to write on first somebody asked me to write on first somebody asked me to write on first Peter." [laughter] Well, if Bruce Peter." [laughter] Well, if Bruce Peter." [laughter] Well, if Bruce actually said, "Now that you were actually said, "Now that you were actually said, "Now that you were finished, well, I wasn't quite finished, well, I wasn't quite finished, well, I wasn't quite finished." finished." finished." >> Yeah, I wasn't quite there. [laughter] I >> Yeah, I wasn't quite there. [laughter] I >> Yeah, I wasn't quite there. [laughter] I was um I had just gotten from um uh I was um I had just gotten from um uh I was um I had just gotten from um uh I Howard Marshall had gotten a list of Howard Marshall had gotten a list of Howard Marshall had gotten a list of uh well would you do this? Would you add uh well would you do this? Would you add uh well would you do this? Would you add this? And would you Oh, by the way, this this? And would you Oh, by the way, this this? And would you Oh, by the way, this new commentary has come out. Please uh new commentary has come out. Please uh new commentary has come out. Please uh integrate uh observations in. integrate uh observations in. integrate uh observations in. >> And anyway, um yeah, >> And anyway, um yeah, >> And anyway, um yeah, >> but I I said yes to FF Bruce because I'd >> but I I said yes to FF Bruce because I'd >> but I I said yes to FF Bruce because I'd always say yes always say yes always say yes >> because it's FF Bruce. Yeah, exactly. >> because it's FF Bruce. Yeah, exactly. >> because it's FF Bruce. Yeah, exactly. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] I mean he was he was the Ryland's I mean he was he was the Ryland's I mean he was he was the Ryland's professor when I was studying in professor when I was studying in professor when I was studying in Manchester. So Manchester. So Manchester. So >> Wow.

>> Wow. >> Wow. >> Uh and then um first Peter came out and >> Uh and then um first Peter came out and >> Uh and then um first Peter came out and uh I was asked to do second Peter 2. uh I was asked to do second Peter 2. uh I was asked to do second Peter 2. >> So >> So >> So >> and here you are today. [laughter] >> and here you are today. [laughter] >> and here you are today. [laughter] >> Here I am today. So uh you you >> Here I am today. So uh you you >> Here I am today. So uh you you I say that because seeing connections I say that because seeing connections I say that because seeing connections thematic connections thematic connections thematic connections >> uh is I don't think is accidental. >> uh is I don't think is accidental. >> uh is I don't think is accidental. >> I don't think it's just my brain fog. >> I don't think it's just my brain fog. >> I don't think it's just my brain fog. >> But um uh yeah these these people have >> But um uh yeah these these people have >> But um uh yeah these these people have um are uh letting their passions run um are uh letting their passions run um are uh letting their passions run free. M free. M free. M >> and that'll be a major theme right down >> and that'll be a major theme right down >> and that'll be a major theme right down church history had been a major thing church history had been a major thing church history had been a major thing for Jews. for Jews. for Jews. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The Jews didn't know much uh didn't >> The Jews didn't know much uh didn't >> The Jews didn't know much uh didn't think that they could ultimately control think that they could ultimately control think that they could ultimately control their passions. M their passions. M their passions. M >> um they what they would call the sirer. >> um they what they would call the sirer. >> um they what they would call the sirer. >> Um >> Um >> Um but um uh Christians but um uh Christians but um uh Christians believe they could through the power of believe they could through the power of believe they could through the power of the Holy Spirit working in them. So So the Holy Spirit working in them. So So the Holy Spirit working in them. So So that's the there that's the there that's the there your third um theme in uh Jude is um is your third um theme in uh Jude is um is your third um theme in uh Jude is um is to rescue these folks. You know, first to rescue these folks. You know, first to rescue these folks. You know, first thing, keep your your nose clean. And thing, keep your your nose clean. And thing, keep your your nose clean. And second thing, uh a a theme of cleanness second thing, uh a a theme of cleanness second thing, uh a a theme of cleanness that withdraws you from concern. It's uh

that withdraws you from concern. It's uh that withdraws you from concern. It's uh prayer restore and so on uh type of prayer restore and so on uh type of prayer restore and so on uh type of approach. In approach. In approach. In uh second Peter, it's the theme that uh second Peter, it's the theme that uh second Peter, it's the theme that Jesus is coming again. And yet these Jesus is coming again. And yet these Jesus is coming again. And yet these guys are saying, "Nah, he's not coming guys are saying, "Nah, he's not coming guys are saying, "Nah, he's not coming back." You know, you know, you know that back." You know, you know, you know that back." You know, you know, you know that that they thought that, but you know, so that they thought that, but you know, so that they thought that, but you know, so it's eat, drink, and be merry uh for it's eat, drink, and be merry uh for it's eat, drink, and be merry uh for tomorrow you die and that's it, folks. tomorrow you die and that's it, folks. tomorrow you die and that's it, folks. Or something. It must have been Or something. It must have been Or something. It must have been something like that. I don't know. something like that. I don't know. something like that. I don't know. >> Uh but certainly they were eating, >> Uh but certainly they were eating, >> Uh but certainly they were eating, drinking, and being married. drinking, and being married. drinking, and being married. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And uh doing some other things uh wrong. >> And uh doing some other things uh wrong. >> And uh doing some other things uh wrong. But um and they were denying the um the But um and they were denying the um the But um and they were denying the um the return of Christ. return of Christ. return of Christ. >> And Peter says, "Uh-uh. >> And Peter says, "Uh-uh. >> And Peter says, "Uh-uh. >> Christ wants everyone to come to >> Christ wants everyone to come to >> Christ wants everyone to come to salvation." So he is waiting until he salvation." So he is waiting until he salvation." So he is waiting until he hits his, shall I say, Max uh Max hits his, shall I say, Max uh Max hits his, shall I say, Max uh Max brought into the kingdom uh um point.

brought into the kingdom uh um point. brought into the kingdom uh um point. And there they come in. Um he says and And there they come in. Um he says and And there they come in. Um he says and but there'll be a day he says okay folks but there'll be a day he says okay folks but there'll be a day he says okay folks that's it. that's it. that's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then you'll see uh sort of the >> And then you'll see uh sort of the >> And then you'll see uh sort of the fireworks and you'll see the judgment. fireworks and you'll see the judgment. fireworks and you'll see the judgment. >> Um and not the well I call destruction >> Um and not the well I call destruction >> Um and not the well I call destruction of the earth so much as the restoration of the earth so much as the restoration of the earth so much as the restoration of the earth. of the earth. of the earth. >> Yeah. Uh because um we have uh we have a >> Yeah. Uh because um we have uh we have a >> Yeah. Uh because um we have uh we have a a future a future a future uh as Revelation will say with the city uh as Revelation will say with the city uh as Revelation will say with the city of God coming down to earth to the new of God coming down to earth to the new of God coming down to earth to the new earth. earth. earth. >> Yeah. Yeah. That that ending theme here >> Yeah. Yeah. That that ending theme here >> Yeah. Yeah. That that ending theme here to me is is to me is is to me is is such a nice little bow on this message such a nice little bow on this message such a nice little bow on this message that Peter is is giving and and from that Peter is is giving and and from that Peter is is giving and and from what we see in Jude because it's this I what we see in Jude because it's this I what we see in Jude because it's this I it's this call to live this virtuous it's this call to live this virtuous it's this call to live this virtuous life. It's it's the be wary of what you life. It's it's the be wary of what you life. It's it's the be wary of what you see other people doing of vices or of see other people doing of vices or of see other people doing of vices or of false teachers trying to lead you false teachers trying to lead you false teachers trying to lead you astray. It's almost so it's it's this astray. It's almost so it's it's this astray. It's almost so it's it's this encouragement to keep your eyes focused encouragement to keep your eyes focused encouragement to keep your eyes focused on the virtuous life as we've seen on the virtuous life as we've seen on the virtuous life as we've seen through Christ.

through Christ. through Christ. >> Um and knowing that the end and what >> Um and knowing that the end and what >> Um and knowing that the end and what stood out to me on this reread was that stood out to me on this reread was that stood out to me on this reread was that reminder that Peter gives us about reminder that Peter gives us about reminder that Peter gives us about patience about saying about saying God patience about saying about saying God patience about saying about saying God it's not that God has forgott it's it's it's not that God has forgott it's it's it's not that God has forgott it's it's that he is being he is patient because that he is being he is patient because that he is being he is patient because time works differently in God's eyes. So time works differently in God's eyes. So time works differently in God's eyes. So you continue, your job is to continue on you continue, your job is to continue on you continue, your job is to continue on this path and keep your eyes focused on this path and keep your eyes focused on this path and keep your eyes focused on Christ and knowing that Christ and knowing that Christ and knowing that >> at one time he will come. It'll be like >> at one time he will come. It'll be like >> at one time he will come. It'll be like a thief in the night. He says, "You a thief in the night. He says, "You a thief in the night. He says, "You don't know." But it's about being don't know." But it's about being don't know." But it's about being steadfast patience in moving forward steadfast patience in moving forward steadfast patience in moving forward with Christ and pointing to the with Christ and pointing to the with Christ and pointing to the restoration of all things and knowing restoration of all things and knowing restoration of all things and knowing that all these vices, all these things that all these vices, all these things that all these vices, all these things are going to fade. They will be gone. are going to fade. They will be gone. are going to fade. They will be gone. instead, God will make all things new instead, God will make all things new instead, God will make all things new again, the new heaven, the new earth, as again, the new heaven, the new earth, as again, the new heaven, the new earth, as he's talk as he talks about in 3:13 he's talk as he talks about in 3:13 he's talk as he talks about in 3:13 here. And um so I I I just love how they here. And um so I I I just love how they here. And um so I I I just love how they end that letter with this with this end that letter with this with this end that letter with this with this hopeful piece of what happens when you hopeful piece of what happens when you hopeful piece of what happens when you keep walking, what happens when you keep keep walking, what happens when you keep keep walking, what happens when you keep your eyes forward. Uh to me, that's such your eyes forward. Uh to me, that's such your eyes forward. Uh to me, that's such it's it's such an encouragement.

it's it's such an encouragement. it's it's such an encouragement. Uh because yes, the world can be Uh because yes, the world can be Uh because yes, the world can be distracting. False teachers can be distracting. False teachers can be distracting. False teachers can be distracting. And I love this distracting. And I love this distracting. And I love this admonishment that he's giving to say admonishment that he's giving to say admonishment that he's giving to say just keep your eyes focused, be just keep your eyes focused, be just keep your eyes focused, be steadfast, pursue, as you said at the steadfast, pursue, as you said at the steadfast, pursue, as you said at the very beginning, pursue virtue. And um so very beginning, pursue virtue. And um so very beginning, pursue virtue. And um so yeah, to to me it's it's this great it's yeah, to to me it's it's this great it's yeah, to to me it's it's this great it's is this picture of this reminder of Jude is this picture of this reminder of Jude is this picture of this reminder of Jude writing this letter to writing this letter to writing this letter to the people that he had been caring for the people that he had been caring for the people that he had been caring for to encourage them in this. Peter then to encourage them in this. Peter then to encourage them in this. Peter then wanting to add and say and say this is a wanting to add and say and say this is a wanting to add and say and say this is a great reminder. I want I want the people great reminder. I want I want the people great reminder. I want I want the people who I've been corresponding with to also who I've been corresponding with to also who I've been corresponding with to also have the same encouragement and to and have the same encouragement and to and have the same encouragement and to and to keep this message alive for them. And to keep this message alive for them. And to keep this message alive for them. And then God deciding, you know, through the then God deciding, you know, through the then God deciding, you know, through the course of putting scripture together course of putting scripture together course of putting scripture together and being the carrier of scripture, and being the carrier of scripture, and being the carrier of scripture, saying, I want to include both of these saying, I want to include both of these saying, I want to include both of these because they're important. I want I want because they're important. I want I want because they're important. I want I want both of these to stand in in in their both of these to stand in in in their both of these to stand in in in their places because they tell that this is a places because they tell that this is a places because they tell that this is a message I want to get to everybody. I message I want to get to everybody. I message I want to get to everybody. I want out there to multiple people.

want out there to multiple people. want out there to multiple people. >> I want everybody to see this. Um so to >> I want everybody to see this. Um so to >> I want everybody to see this. Um so to me that's such a strong encouragement. me that's such a strong encouragement. me that's such a strong encouragement. >> Um and it's helpful that these aren't >> Um and it's helpful that these aren't >> Um and it's helpful that these aren't long letters. I think it's helpful that long letters. I think it's helpful that long letters. I think it's helpful that these are shorter letters that just these are shorter letters that just these are shorter letters that just stick with a central point and you can stick with a central point and you can stick with a central point and you can see it through the course of the see it through the course of the see it through the course of the letters. It's well, as much as we love letters. It's well, as much as we love letters. It's well, as much as we love Paul's letters, no doubt, he's answering Paul's letters, no doubt, he's answering Paul's letters, no doubt, he's answering to lots of different issues. Uh Paul is to lots of different issues. Uh Paul is to lots of different issues. Uh Paul is hitting lots of different issues and hitting lots of different issues and hitting lots of different issues and he's writing to different churches to he's writing to different churches to he's writing to different churches to answer their issues. answer their issues. answer their issues. >> And and here we get that just these just >> And and here we get that just these just >> And and here we get that just these just these pointed encouragements of just these pointed encouragements of just these pointed encouragements of just saying keep at it, keep focused, keep saying keep at it, keep focused, keep saying keep at it, keep focused, keep going. And um going. And um going. And um >> yeah, to me that these kind of stand out >> yeah, to me that these kind of stand out >> yeah, to me that these kind of stand out in that way. in that way. in that way. >> Yeah. And they fit today very well. >> Yeah. And they fit today very well. >> Yeah. And they fit today very well. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Because um at least what I've been >> Because um at least what I've been >> Because um at least what I've been hearing is around the church um there hearing is around the church um there hearing is around the church um there have been leaders in the church, some of have been leaders in the church, some of have been leaders in the church, some of them you know pastors, some of them them you know pastors, some of them them you know pastors, some of them other places in the church who um shall other places in the church who um shall other places in the church who um shall we say have not stuck to the way of we say have not stuck to the way of we say have not stuck to the way of virtue.

virtue. virtue. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh they have um there's been sexual >> Uh they have um there's been sexual >> Uh they have um there's been sexual abuse. There's been, it seems like a day abuse. There's been, it seems like a day abuse. There's been, it seems like a day doesn't go by that I don't see something doesn't go by that I don't see something doesn't go by that I don't see something flip through my email. flip through my email. flip through my email. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's about as long as I look at >> And that's about as long as I look at >> And that's about as long as I look at it. It's a flip through. Um it. It's a flip through. Um it. It's a flip through. Um uh unless it's somebody I know. uh unless it's somebody I know. uh unless it's somebody I know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But um but um or somebody who's gone >> But um but um or somebody who's gone >> But um but um or somebody who's gone after money, somebody who's gone after, after money, somebody who's gone after, after money, somebody who's gone after, you know, power, abuse their power in you know, power, abuse their power in you know, power, abuse their power in the church and so on. And you know it's the church and so on. And you know it's the church and so on. And you know it's Oh, nothing's changed since the first Oh, nothing's changed since the first Oh, nothing's changed since the first century. century. century. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Well, I guess I better look up these >> Well, I guess I better look up these >> Well, I guess I better look up these books and do what they say. books and do what they say. books and do what they say. >> These reminders are still entirely >> These reminders are still entirely >> These reminders are still entirely important and relevant today. No doubt. important and relevant today. No doubt. important and relevant today. No doubt. >> What do these books teach us about God? >> What do these books teach us about God? >> What do these books teach us about God? Um Um Um well well well first thing that he uh loves us and first thing that he uh loves us and first thing that he uh loves us and wants to make us one with him.

wants to make us one with him. wants to make us one with him. uh we want to he he's drawing us into a uh we want to he he's drawing us into a uh we want to he he's drawing us into a love relationship that is clearest in uh love relationship that is clearest in uh love relationship that is clearest in uh um in f second Peter in second Peter um in f second Peter in second Peter um in f second Peter in second Peter there um where he talks about nature of there um where he talks about nature of there um where he talks about nature of God God God >> uh you know he would be drawn in and of >> uh you know he would be drawn in and of >> uh you know he would be drawn in and of course we've heard that before uh maybe course we've heard that before uh maybe course we've heard that before uh maybe not heard it as clearly when and say one not heard it as clearly when and say one not heard it as clearly when and say one Peter talks about being born again. Peter talks about being born again. Peter talks about being born again. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh which is of course the really the >> Uh which is of course the really the >> Uh which is of course the really the only place we find uh that born again only place we find uh that born again only place we find uh that born again emphasis John 3:16 is better translated emphasis John 3:16 is better translated emphasis John 3:16 is better translated I think born from above but anyway I I think born from above but anyway I I think born from above but anyway I mean John 3 is born from above mean John 3 is born from above mean John 3 is born from above >> but um um [clears throat] I know the >> but um um [clears throat] I know the >> but um um [clears throat] I know the word means both but uh there's a play on word means both but uh there's a play on word means both but uh there's a play on where it's going there but uh born where it's going there but uh born where it's going there but uh born again. Well, what are you born of? again. Well, what are you born of? again. Well, what are you born of? You're born of a, you know, a a sort of You're born of a, you know, a a sort of You're born of a, you know, a a sort of divine nature.

divine nature. divine nature. >> And um there's other ways of expressing >> And um there's other ways of expressing >> And um there's other ways of expressing it, but here you find this which would it, but here you find this which would it, but here you find this which would be picked up in the Eastern Church as be picked up in the Eastern Church as be picked up in the Eastern Church as theosis, which is um uh becoming uh theosis, which is um uh becoming uh theosis, which is um uh becoming uh become participating in the nature of become participating in the nature of become participating in the nature of God. God. God. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or uh divonization in the western >> Or uh divonization in the western >> Or uh divonization in the western church. wants the the Latin version, church. wants the the Latin version, church. wants the the Latin version, one's the uh Greek version of it. one's the uh Greek version of it. one's the uh Greek version of it. >> But I mean, that's how much God loves >> But I mean, that's how much God loves >> But I mean, that's how much God loves you. You know, he wants us in that you. You know, he wants us in that you. You know, he wants us in that embrace of the Father, Son, and Holy embrace of the Father, Son, and Holy embrace of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Spirit. Spirit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh you know, looking like them, >> Uh you know, looking like them, >> Uh you know, looking like them, >> thinking like them. what friendship was >> thinking like them. what friendship was >> thinking like them. what friendship was in the um in the first centuries that in the um in the first centuries that in the um in the first centuries that you you thought and uh you know you you thought and uh you know you you thought and uh you know had that type of oneness with your your had that type of oneness with your your had that type of oneness with your your your friend. Now that's the one thing. your friend. Now that's the one thing. your friend. Now that's the one thing. The second thing about God that we we The second thing about God that we we The second thing about God that we we learn is that God really uh isn't into learn is that God really uh isn't into learn is that God really uh isn't into daming anyone.

daming anyone. daming anyone. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's not what he wants. Mhm. >> That's not what he wants. Mhm. >> That's not what he wants. Mhm. >> Uh he's willing to delay, put up with a >> Uh he's willing to delay, put up with a >> Uh he's willing to delay, put up with a lot of our junk uh for a lot of years, lot of our junk uh for a lot of years, lot of our junk uh for a lot of years, like millennia. like millennia. like millennia. >> Yeah. uh you know, so far and because >> Yeah. uh you know, so far and because >> Yeah. uh you know, so far and because uh not because he likes watching us um uh not because he likes watching us um uh not because he likes watching us um mess up uh on each other for all that mess up uh on each other for all that mess up uh on each other for all that time, but because he wants everyone to time, but because he wants everyone to time, but because he wants everyone to come into his Now, it doesn't say come into his Now, it doesn't say come into his Now, it doesn't say everyone will. everyone will. everyone will. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It says if in the mystery of free will, >> It says if in the mystery of free will, >> It says if in the mystery of free will, he's allowed us to, you know, say he's allowed us to, you know, say he's allowed us to, you know, say fuanui. fuanui. fuanui. I know I prefer hell and uh but um still I know I prefer hell and uh but um still I know I prefer hell and uh but um still he has um brought in he he's doing the he has um brought in he he's doing the he has um brought in he he's doing the what he knows will be the maximum what he knows will be the maximum what he knows will be the maximum um uh salvation we could say of people.

>> Yeah. They I I I love that that that >> Yeah. They I I I love that that that reminder of who God is. that God is reminder of who God is. that God is reminder of who God is. that God is somebody who somebody who somebody who >> made you not just to watch, you know, >> made you not just to watch, you know, >> made you not just to watch, you know, you live your little life, but instead you live your little life, but instead you live your little life, but instead to have a personal relationship with to have a personal relationship with to have a personal relationship with you, to love you, and to love you so you, to love you, and to love you so you, to love you, and to love you so much that he desperately wants to live much that he desperately wants to live much that he desperately wants to live with you for eternity, like for Yeah. with you for eternity, like for Yeah. with you for eternity, like for Yeah. And that's just a a beautiful picture And that's just a a beautiful picture And that's just a a beautiful picture and that reminder that we're given. And and that reminder that we're given. And and that reminder that we're given. And this kind of goes into the next question this kind of goes into the next question this kind of goes into the next question of what this book teaches us about of what this book teaches us about of what this book teaches us about ourselves is that there are many things ourselves is that there are many things ourselves is that there are many things that make it easy for us to to miss that that make it easy for us to to miss that that make it easy for us to to miss that to forget that. So So by way of starting to forget that. So So by way of starting to forget that. So So by way of starting to answer the question for you, what to answer the question for you, what to answer the question for you, what does this book teach us about ourselves? does this book teach us about ourselves? does this book teach us about ourselves? Um, first, Um, first, Um, first, um, I can say as a senior citizen that um, I can say as a senior citizen that um, I can say as a senior citizen that we're all forgetful, [laughter] but, uh, uh, it's easier to say as you but, uh, uh, it's easier to say as you get older because you've seen uh, um, get older because you've seen uh, um, get older because you've seen uh, um, you know, you've seen people have very you know, you've seen people have very you know, you've seen people have very serious memory problems, serious memory problems, serious memory problems, >> but we all tend to have tend to lapse >> but we all tend to have tend to lapse >> but we all tend to have tend to lapse into amnesia. Amnesia.

into amnesia. Amnesia. into amnesia. Amnesia. >> Yeah. and uh forget to move towards and >> Yeah. and uh forget to move towards and >> Yeah. and uh forget to move towards and move towards and move towards them. move towards and move towards them. move towards and move towards them. >> And um so that's forget are good >> And um so that's forget are good >> And um so that's forget are good examples as well. Um and the second examples as well. Um and the second examples as well. Um and the second thing is that we have passions within us thing is that we have passions within us thing is that we have passions within us that these false teachers can stir up. that these false teachers can stir up. that these false teachers can stir up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um the the Jews would say, well, what um >> Um the the Jews would say, well, what um >> Um the the Jews would say, well, what um uh this is probably roughly first uh this is probably roughly first uh this is probably roughly first century um what it's coming from. um you century um what it's coming from. um you century um what it's coming from. um you know why do we have these uh the this know why do we have these uh the this know why do we have these uh the this this Yates or this um these passions this Yates or this um these passions this Yates or this um these passions within us or these desires um later uh within us or these desires um later uh within us or these desires um later uh Freud would term it the id uh and so on. Freud would term it the id uh and so on. Freud would term it the id uh and so on. enemy uh they're there and we know well enemy uh they're there and we know well enemy uh they're there and we know well said the Jews because they are very said the Jews because they are very said the Jews because they are very useful without it no one would plant a useful without it no one would plant a useful without it no one would plant a field if you didn't get hungry and you field if you didn't get hungry and you field if you didn't get hungry and you know uh you wouldn't plant a field uh no know uh you wouldn't plant a field uh no know uh you wouldn't plant a field uh no one would build a house to keep them one would build a house to keep them one would build a house to keep them warm and no one would um beget children warm and no one would um beget children warm and no one would um beget children >> uh you know so the sex drive is um of of >> uh you know so the sex drive is um of of >> uh you know so the sex drive is um of of course goes back to Genesis really course goes back to Genesis really course goes back to Genesis really Genesis chapter 1, you know, that's what Genesis chapter 1, you know, that's what Genesis chapter 1, you know, that's what part of the fulfilling God's purpose is part of the fulfilling God's purpose is part of the fulfilling God's purpose is for us. So yeah, that um [clears throat] for us. So yeah, that um [clears throat] for us. So yeah, that um [clears throat] but they're out of control since the but they're out of control since the but they're out of control since the fall. So, um I got to recognize that um

fall. So, um I got to recognize that um fall. So, um I got to recognize that um I am controlling those passions I am controlling those passions I am controlling those passions um and therefore am susceptible to the um and therefore am susceptible to the um and therefore am susceptible to the uh temptations of um false teachers. >> Yeah, I think >> Yeah, I think I think it's helpful. I I think I think I think it's helpful. I I think I think I think it's helpful. I I think I think Peter speaks to it very directly. He Peter speaks to it very directly. He Peter speaks to it very directly. He says in chapter 2 verse 19, for you are says in chapter 2 verse 19, for you are says in chapter 2 verse 19, for you are a slave to whatever controls you, a slave to whatever controls you, a slave to whatever controls you, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And right there [clears throat] kind of >> And right there [clears throat] kind of >> And right there [clears throat] kind of explains the human situation a little explains the human situation a little explains the human situation a little bit where it's like saying it's it's bit where it's like saying it's it's bit where it's like saying it's it's saying what you put at the center of saying what you put at the center of saying what you put at the center of your life is what controls you and you your life is what controls you and you your life is what controls you and you become a slave to it. And this whole the become a slave to it. And this whole the become a slave to it. And this whole the whole beginning of the book is Peter's whole beginning of the book is Peter's whole beginning of the book is Peter's encouragement. And we see in Jude 2 is encouragement. And we see in Jude 2 is encouragement. And we see in Jude 2 is this encouragement to make Christ the this encouragement to make Christ the this encouragement to make Christ the center of your life to let the virtuous center of your life to let the virtuous center of your life to let the virtuous way u as dictated by Christ and in him way u as dictated by Christ and in him way u as dictated by Christ and in him be what what controls you what motivates be what what controls you what motivates be what what controls you what motivates you. Anything else that you that starts you. Anything else that you that starts you. Anything else that you that starts to take that place you will become a to take that place you will become a to take that place you will become a slave to. And he's and that's he's he's slave to. And he's and that's he's he's slave to. And he's and that's he's he's explaining the human condition right explaining the human condition right explaining the human condition right there [laughter] there [laughter] there [laughter] >> in just one sentence.

>> in just one sentence. >> in just one sentence. >> Um which is >> Um which is >> Um which is >> so easy. >> so easy. >> so easy. >> Yeah. And it's so and that and it's it's >> Yeah. And it's so and that and it's it's >> Yeah. And it's so and that and it's it's true. And it's it's so easy to be true. And it's it's so easy to be true. And it's it's so easy to be swayed. It's so it's it can be easy to swayed. It's so it's it can be easy to swayed. It's so it's it can be easy to be manipulated. It can be easy to to be manipulated. It can be easy to to be manipulated. It can be easy to to start to miss the forest for the trees a start to miss the forest for the trees a start to miss the forest for the trees a little bit and to start to see things in little bit and to start to see things in little bit and to start to see things in a different way. And as you said, those a different way. And as you said, those a different way. And as you said, those false teachers can stir up these false teachers can stir up these false teachers can stir up these passions because they're in us. There's passions because they're in us. There's passions because they're in us. There's nothing wrong with being a passionate nothing wrong with being a passionate nothing wrong with being a passionate creature. That's how God made us with creature. That's how God made us with creature. That's how God made us with passions. But passions. But passions. But being honed and directed in a virtuous being honed and directed in a virtuous being honed and directed in a virtuous way to keep using that word that we've way to keep using that word that we've way to keep using that word that we've been using. Um, been using. Um, been using. Um, there's a new book out that I'll there's a new book out that I'll there's a new book out that I'll mention. I'll put it in the show notes mention. I'll put it in the show notes mention. I'll put it in the show notes as well because it it t it it deals a as well because it it t it it deals a as well because it it t it it deals a lot with what we've been talking about. lot with what we've been talking about. lot with what we've been talking about. It's it's a book by Alan Noble called to It's it's a book by Alan Noble called to It's it's a book by Alan Noble called to live well and it's about virtues and live well and it's about virtues and live well and it's about virtues and it's a reminder of these virtues and how it's a reminder of these virtues and how it's a reminder of these virtues and how to put those in the center. So I I'll to put those in the center. So I I'll to put those in the center. So I I'll put those in the show notes as well too. put those in the show notes as well too. put those in the show notes as well too. Um, okay. So, are there any sticky parts Um, okay. So, are there any sticky parts Um, okay. So, are there any sticky parts in either of these books, Peter? And I in either of these books, Peter? And I in either of these books, Peter? And I define sticky as things that are define sticky as things that are define sticky as things that are confusing, controversial, things that a confusing, controversial, things that a confusing, controversial, things that a new reader to these books, you might new reader to these books, you might new reader to these books, you might say, "Hey, you might read this, just so say, "Hey, you might read this, just so say, "Hey, you might read this, just so you know, might be a little difficult to you know, might be a little difficult to you know, might be a little difficult to understand."

understand." understand." >> Yeah. Yeah. I um >> Yeah. Yeah. I um >> Yeah. Yeah. I um Yeah, there are sticky parts in it. Um Yeah, there are sticky parts in it. Um Yeah, there are sticky parts in it. Um uh uh uh you you you one of the uh sticky parts of course is one of the uh sticky parts of course is one of the uh sticky parts of course is that um uh whole epicnostic as I use it that um uh whole epicnostic as I use it that um uh whole epicnostic as I use it or this um or this um or this um >> to the knowledge of Christ but I as I I >> to the knowledge of Christ but I as I I >> to the knowledge of Christ but I as I I I I I think I coined the term think I coined the term think I coined the term >> I like it >> I like it >> I like it >> but I coined the term because I wanted >> but I coined the term because I wanted >> but I coined the term because I wanted people to know which Greek word for people to know which Greek word for people to know which Greek word for knowledge. It was being used there. knowledge. It was being used there. knowledge. It was being used there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um we we sometimes forget about >> Um we we sometimes forget about >> Um we we sometimes forget about knowledge of Christ uh and um uh think knowledge of Christ uh and um uh think knowledge of Christ uh and um uh think about belief as something in our head about belief as something in our head about belief as something in our head >> and um uh ideas about Christ. And then >> and um uh ideas about Christ. And then >> and um uh ideas about Christ. And then um uh shortly after that um um uh shortly after that um um uh shortly after that um participation in the divine nature participation in the divine nature participation in the divine nature that's we struggle with partly because that's we struggle with partly because that's we struggle with partly because we also tend to struggle with Jesus as we also tend to struggle with Jesus as we also tend to struggle with Jesus as being God and man being God and man being God and man >> and also God as being uh timeless.

>> and also God as being uh timeless. >> and also God as being uh timeless. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And spaceless. >> And spaceless. >> And spaceless. So um [snorts] uh uh so that calls us So um [snorts] uh uh so that calls us So um [snorts] uh uh so that calls us into a world that we don't understand into a world that we don't understand into a world that we don't understand and the [clears throat] best thing to do and the [clears throat] best thing to do and the [clears throat] best thing to do is to say I don't understand it because is to say I don't understand it because is to say I don't understand it because um while philosophers give us words to um while philosophers give us words to um while philosophers give us words to describe it um we can't understand it describe it um we can't understand it describe it um we can't understand it because we've had no experience of it. because we've had no experience of it. because we've had no experience of it. Jesus gives us uh a lot of parables and Jesus gives us uh a lot of parables and Jesus gives us uh a lot of parables and most of our words are actually parables. most of our words are actually parables. most of our words are actually parables. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that that oneness with God that's why >> So that that oneness with God that's why >> So that that oneness with God that's why we talk about things like one love we talk about things like one love we talk about things like one love union. Um so that's difficult. Um moving union. Um so that's difficult. Um moving union. Um so that's difficult. Um moving on into that uh central section on into that uh central section on into that uh central section um of uh second Peter but also into um of uh second Peter but also into um of uh second Peter but also into Jude. Um uh perhaps the stickiest thing Jude. Um uh perhaps the stickiest thing Jude. Um uh perhaps the stickiest thing is Jude's use of first Enoch.

is Jude's use of first Enoch. is Jude's use of first Enoch. >> Now I would argue that um uh that um >> Now I would argue that um uh that um >> Now I would argue that um uh that um first first first a lot of influence of first Enoch as a lot of influence of first Enoch as a lot of influence of first Enoch as well uh and perhaps almost any of these well uh and perhaps almost any of these well uh and perhaps almost any of these books do. But Jude uh um excuse me. books do. But Jude uh um excuse me. books do. But Jude uh um excuse me. Yeah, Jude does actually cite first Yeah, Jude does actually cite first Yeah, Jude does actually cite first Enoch, you know, Enoch says and um it is Enoch, you know, Enoch says and um it is Enoch, you know, Enoch says and um it is from from that book. we we can find the from from that book. we we can find the from from that book. we we can find the quotation. quotation. quotation. Um Um Um uh and then he also cites a work that uh and then he also cites a work that uh and then he also cites a work that um um um um um um that um uh probably is the testament of that um uh probably is the testament of that um uh probably is the testament of Moses Moses Moses with you have this debate over Moses's with you have this debate over Moses's with you have this debate over Moses's body and um body and um body and um uh where he says you know um that uh where he says you know um that uh where he says you know um that Michael the archangel and we got we're Michael the archangel and we got we're Michael the archangel and we got we're getting archangels in getting archangels in getting archangels in Oh man, this is weird. Well, Oh man, this is weird. Well, Oh man, this is weird. Well, if you read scripture, you find that if you read scripture, you find that if you read scripture, you find that archangels and angels are mentioned a archangels and angels are mentioned a archangels and angels are mentioned a lot. We just don't we we just can't.

lot. We just don't we we just can't. lot. We just don't we we just can't. Well, we we may experiencing them, but Well, we we may experiencing them, but Well, we we may experiencing them, but only if God allows them to be only if God allows them to be only if God allows them to be experienced by us. experienced by us. experienced by us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh which is usually fairly rare, >> Uh which is usually fairly rare, >> Uh which is usually fairly rare, >> though they're around a lot. But um into >> though they're around a lot. But um into >> though they're around a lot. But um into arguing over the body of Moses, the arguing over the body of Moses, the arguing over the body of Moses, the Jewish tradition there, the Jewish uh Jewish tradition there, the Jewish uh Jewish tradition there, the Jewish uh was that he said, "Hey, I get the bod uh was that he said, "Hey, I get the bod uh was that he said, "Hey, I get the bod uh because this guy was a murderer." because this guy was a murderer." because this guy was a murderer." >> And you know, you can't give him an >> And you know, you can't give him an >> And you know, you can't give him an honorable burial. M honorable burial. M honorable burial. M >> uh and >> uh and >> uh and uh that the uh archangel had been sent uh that the uh archangel had been sent uh that the uh archangel had been sent to do the burial and okay, it's not in to do the burial and okay, it's not in to do the burial and okay, it's not in our Bible. It wasn't put in the cannon. our Bible. It wasn't put in the cannon. our Bible. It wasn't put in the cannon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But you're before the cannon. >> But you're before the cannon. >> But you're before the cannon. >> We didn't really have we had a de well >> We didn't really have we had a de well >> We didn't really have we had a de well we really didn't have even a developing we really didn't have even a developing we really didn't have even a developing cannon until um the second century. cannon until um the second century. cannon until um the second century. Yeah. And then we we have more of a we Yeah. And then we we have more of a we Yeah. And then we we have more of a we have a a development. So um this is a have a a development. So um this is a have a a development. So um this is a tradition tradition tradition >> that he says okay >> that he says okay >> that he says okay >> and okay >> and okay >> and okay >> yeah [laughter] >> yeah [laughter] >> yeah [laughter] >> yeah for a first time >> yeah for a first time >> yeah for a first time >> first >> first >> first >> oh go ahead.

>> oh go ahead. >> oh go ahead. >> Yeah. Well, I said for first Peter, >> Yeah. Well, I said for first Peter, >> Yeah. Well, I said for first Peter, second Peter rather, he uh talks about second Peter rather, he uh talks about second Peter rather, he uh talks about of course um uh the uh uses the word for of course um uh the uh uses the word for of course um uh the uh uses the word for the titans, for the spirits in in prison the titans, for the spirits in in prison the titans, for the spirits in in prison >> there. And that refers to again Greek >> there. And that refers to again Greek >> there. And that refers to again Greek >> um uh and the Greek mythology or um but >> um uh and the Greek mythology or um but >> um uh and the Greek mythology or um but it's a sounds like a very good it's it's a sounds like a very good it's it's a sounds like a very good it's really the same place that uh first really the same place that uh first really the same place that uh first Enoch um has the Enoch um has the Enoch um has the fallen angels. fallen angels. fallen angels. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh in prison >> Uh in prison >> Uh in prison >> and they pitch very well together. I as >> and they pitch very well together. I as >> and they pitch very well together. I as we uh often say even in uh pagan works we uh often say even in uh pagan works we uh often say even in uh pagan works you will often find seeds of the word. you will often find seeds of the word. you will often find seeds of the word. >> Yeah. uh you find these little bits that >> Yeah. uh you find these little bits that >> Yeah. uh you find these little bits that that are truth that God has uh allowed that are truth that God has uh allowed that are truth that God has uh allowed them them them that they know you know perhaps by that they know you know perhaps by that they know you know perhaps by reason by the reason God's put in reason by the reason God's put in reason by the reason God's put in perhaps by um um observing nature perhaps by um um observing nature perhaps by um um observing nature perhaps by uh you know God you know perhaps by uh you know God you know perhaps by uh you know God you know letting them grabs the thought. So, um, letting them grabs the thought. So, um, letting them grabs the thought. So, um, you know, any of these guys are willing you know, any of these guys are willing you know, any of these guys are willing to use anything that will hook in with to use anything that will hook in with to use anything that will hook in with their their people.

their their people. their their people. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> And then Yeah, go ahead. >> And then Yeah, go ahead. >> And then Yeah, go ahead. >> Yeah. Then then you have the um the end >> Yeah. Then then you have the um the end >> Yeah. Then then you have the um the end of second Peter perhaps is what's this of second Peter perhaps is what's this of second Peter perhaps is what's this to do and translations differ with um to do and translations differ with um to do and translations differ with um the uh and so on and um uh it's it's the uh and so on and um uh it's it's the uh and so on and um uh it's it's just a different picture of the just a different picture of the just a different picture of the universe. It's the heavens and the earth universe. It's the heavens and the earth universe. It's the heavens and the earth [snorts] are um [snorts] are um [snorts] are um uh uh the heavens rather the heavens and uh uh the heavens rather the heavens and uh uh the heavens rather the heavens and the heavenly bodies are seen as between the heavenly bodies are seen as between the heavenly bodies are seen as between us and and and God as in Jewish us and and and God as in Jewish us and and and God as in Jewish cosmology God seen as up and so on and cosmology God seen as up and so on and cosmology God seen as up and so on and which has worked well uh you know I'm which has worked well uh you know I'm which has worked well uh you know I'm not uh not um and We not uh not um and We not uh not um and We often um use the word that God is higher often um use the word that God is higher often um use the word that God is higher and and and >> in one sense he doesn't have any space >> in one sense he doesn't have any space >> in one sense he doesn't have any space but um they're pulled back and that's but um they're pulled back and that's but um they're pulled back and that's their destruction. They're pulled back their destruction. They're pulled back their destruction. They're pulled back and the earth is exposed.

and the earth is exposed. and the earth is exposed. >> Uh it says I think in the best >> Uh it says I think in the best >> Uh it says I think in the best translations translations translations exposed to the eye of God. It's like uh exposed to the eye of God. It's like uh exposed to the eye of God. It's like uh the kid hiding under the covers. He's the kid hiding under the covers. He's the kid hiding under the covers. He's doing something um wrong, you know, doing something um wrong, you know, doing something um wrong, you know, whatever it may be. For whatever it may be. For whatever it may be. For many people like me, it would might be many people like me, it would might be many people like me, it would might be reading a book at night uh with a reading a book at night uh with a reading a book at night uh with a flashlight or something under the flashlight or something under the flashlight or something under the covers. Yeah. when we were told to go to covers. Yeah. when we were told to go to covers. Yeah. when we were told to go to sleep. But and and you know, mom pulls sleep. But and and you know, mom pulls sleep. But and and you know, mom pulls back the covers back the covers back the covers and there you are exposed to um whatever and there you are exposed to um whatever and there you are exposed to um whatever justice shall be meated out in these justice shall be meated out in these justice shall be meated out in these situations. [laughter] >> Fair point. [laughter] >> Fair point. [laughter] >> Yeah. I >> Yeah. I >> Yeah. I these are two books in second Peter and these are two books in second Peter and these are two books in second Peter and Jude that definitely can be read even if Jude that definitely can be read even if Jude that definitely can be read even if you've never read the Bible before or or you've never read the Bible before or or you've never read the Bible before or or these parts of the Bible before. You can these parts of the Bible before. You can these parts of the Bible before. You can read these and you can get the central read these and you can get the central read these and you can get the central themes for sure. Um but having having themes for sure. Um but having having themes for sure. Um but having having [clears throat] a commentary like yours [clears throat] a commentary like yours [clears throat] a commentary like yours that is in the show notes as well. It that is in the show notes as well. It that is in the show notes as well. It helps you to see all these different helps you to see all these different helps you to see all these different little cultural things and the nuances little cultural things and the nuances little cultural things and the nuances of language. That is something that you of language. That is something that you of language. That is something that you like to talk about a lot is talking like to talk about a lot is talking like to talk about a lot is talking about the Greek and what does this about the Greek and what does this about the Greek and what does this actually say and and and how how does it actually say and and and how how does it actually say and and and how how does it heighten our understanding

heighten our understanding heighten our understanding um of what is being said and even um of what is being said and even um of what is being said and even understanding a lot of the Jewish understanding a lot of the Jewish understanding a lot of the Jewish customs that is being talking that is is customs that is being talking that is is customs that is being talking that is is being talked about um even even if not being talked about um even even if not being talked about um even even if not explicitly implicitly there's an explicitly implicitly there's an explicitly implicitly there's an understanding of of Jewish culture that understanding of of Jewish culture that understanding of of Jewish culture that that these books kind of operate under that these books kind of operate under that these books kind of operate under And so having that um to to help to not And so having that um to to help to not And so having that um to to help to not just answer some questions that you as just answer some questions that you as just answer some questions that you as the reader might have, but to further the reader might have, but to further the reader might have, but to further kind of enhance your engagement with kind of enhance your engagement with kind of enhance your engagement with these letters is helpful. So just these letters is helpful. So just these letters is helpful. So just another plug for why it's helpful to another plug for why it's helpful to another plug for why it's helpful to read the books for sure, but also then read the books for sure, but also then read the books for sure, but also then have a commentary too to go back and have a commentary too to go back and have a commentary too to go back and really pour into them. really pour into them. really pour into them. >> Mhm. Yeah. the um that uh and there are >> Mhm. Yeah. the um that uh and there are >> Mhm. Yeah. the um that uh and there are different levels you can go to this this different levels you can go to this this different levels you can go to this this commentary commentary commentary um has some references to Greek but only um has some references to Greek but only um has some references to Greek but only in transliteration. in transliteration. in transliteration. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I believe with the translations >> And I believe with the translations >> And I believe with the translations there um and um I actually wrote a there um and um I actually wrote a there um and um I actually wrote a second commentary on these two um for second commentary on these two um for second commentary on these two um for Baylor University Press.

Baylor University Press. Baylor University Press. >> Oh, great. uh on the Greek text and it's >> Oh, great. uh on the Greek text and it's >> Oh, great. uh on the Greek text and it's just talking about Greek grammar and just talking about Greek grammar and just talking about Greek grammar and vocabulary and vocabulary and vocabulary and >> so if you're so inclined [laughter] >> so if you're so inclined [laughter] >> so if you're so inclined [laughter] >> so on so >> so on so >> so on so >> and what a deep a deep uh dive into >> and what a deep a deep uh dive into >> and what a deep a deep uh dive into Greek I can put that one in the show Greek I can put that one in the show Greek I can put that one in the show notes as well [laughter] notes as well [laughter] notes as well [laughter] >> but you don't need to do that but as I >> but you don't need to do that but as I >> but you don't need to do that but as I said you don't have to go that deep now said you don't have to go that deep now said you don't have to go that deep now I did use that in a class at you this I did use that in a class at you this I did use that in a class at you this university university university used in Baptist University. Um we read used in Baptist University. Um we read used in Baptist University. Um we read through we were reading through the through we were reading through the through we were reading through the Greek text and we had that as a uh to Greek text and we had that as a uh to Greek text and we had that as a uh to look at what knew we could learn about look at what knew we could learn about look at what knew we could learn about grammar and yeah and Greek. grammar and yeah and Greek. grammar and yeah and Greek. >> So >> So >> So >> as we start as we start to wrap up our >> as we start as we start to wrap up our >> as we start as we start to wrap up our time today, Peter, time today, Peter, time today, Peter, >> what would you like to leave people >> what would you like to leave people >> what would you like to leave people thinking about this book or these books? thinking about this book or these books? thinking about this book or these books? Um I'd like to leave them thinking first Um I'd like to leave them thinking first Um I'd like to leave them thinking first um am I growing in virtue?

um am I growing in virtue? um am I growing in virtue? >> Uh you know let me go through this list >> Uh you know let me go through this list >> Uh you know let me go through this list and I don't think the list is uh you and I don't think the list is uh you and I don't think the list is uh you must do A to get to B to get to C to get must do A to get to B to get to C to get must do A to get to B to get to C to get to D to get to E and so on. to D to get to E and so on. to D to get to E and so on. >> Am I growing in virtue? One of my >> Am I growing in virtue? One of my >> Am I growing in virtue? One of my prayers every morning when I uh do my prayers every morning when I uh do my prayers every morning when I uh do my morning prayer time is uh a prayer that morning prayer time is uh a prayer that morning prayer time is uh a prayer that God will grow me in the virtues God will grow me in the virtues God will grow me in the virtues >> through the Holy Spirit because you have >> through the Holy Spirit because you have >> through the Holy Spirit because you have the spiritual gifts of Isaiah 11, which the spiritual gifts of Isaiah 11, which the spiritual gifts of Isaiah 11, which I think we need to stress an awful lot I think we need to stress an awful lot I think we need to stress an awful lot more than we do. more than we do. more than we do. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh uh because they're the ones that grow >> Uh uh because they're the ones that grow >> Uh uh because they're the ones that grow us in virtue. Um and um not that they do us in virtue. Um and um not that they do us in virtue. Um and um not that they do it without our effort but it's one of it without our effort but it's one of it without our effort but it's one of these things uh God makes it possible these things uh God makes it possible these things uh God makes it possible for us to uh to do this. So am I growing for us to uh to do this. So am I growing for us to uh to do this. So am I growing in virtue? Am I uh watching out you know in virtue? Am I uh watching out you know in virtue? Am I uh watching out you know on my boundaries? And the second thing on my boundaries? And the second thing on my boundaries? And the second thing is in um is in um is in um would be um uh am I uh really looking would be um uh am I uh really looking would be um uh am I uh really looking forward to being with Jesus? Do I see forward to being with Jesus? Do I see forward to being with Jesus? Do I see that as my real focus? Um that as my real focus? Um that as my real focus? Um um I um I um I you know um a good death uh has been you know um a good death uh has been you know um a good death uh has been defined in the in the centuries as a

defined in the in the centuries as a defined in the in the centuries as a person who dies um perhaps with family person who dies um perhaps with family person who dies um perhaps with family um um um >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> uh or uh having done knowing they've >> uh or uh having done knowing they've >> uh or uh having done knowing they've done God's will and looking forward to done God's will and looking forward to done God's will and looking forward to uh being in his presence. uh being in his presence. uh being in his presence. uh you know and so on. Have I am I uh you know and so on. Have I am I uh you know and so on. Have I am I looking forward to that and saying, "Oh looking forward to that and saying, "Oh looking forward to that and saying, "Oh man, you know, I may have a bit of man, you know, I may have a bit of man, you know, I may have a bit of arthritis now, but um uh I'll put up arthritis now, but um uh I'll put up arthritis now, but um uh I'll put up with that so I can keep growing in with that so I can keep growing in with that so I can keep growing in virtue virtue virtue >> until God says you're done." >> until God says you're done." >> until God says you're done." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you know, oh boy. >> And you know, oh boy. >> And you know, oh boy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so on. And then um third thing is >> And so on. And then um third thing is >> And so on. And then um third thing is don't go around damning other people. don't go around damning other people. don't go around damning other people. >> You're not the judge. God's the judge. >> You're not the judge. God's the judge. >> You're not the judge. God's the judge. Uh go God wants them all to be uh saved. Uh go God wants them all to be uh saved. Uh go God wants them all to be uh saved. So uh it's uh your job to um as uh Jude So uh it's uh your job to um as uh Jude So uh it's uh your job to um as uh Jude would say um some you can rescue.

would say um some you can rescue. would say um some you can rescue. They're starting to get their feet in They're starting to get their feet in They're starting to get their feet in the fire. Pull them out. the fire. Pull them out. the fire. Pull them out. >> Yeah. Uh there's some that are a little >> Yeah. Uh there's some that are a little >> Yeah. Uh there's some that are a little bit deeper in and they you you need to bit deeper in and they you you need to bit deeper in and they you you need to to you know strip the burning clothes to you know strip the burning clothes to you know strip the burning clothes off them and off them and off them and uh uh maybe drag them to safety and and uh uh maybe drag them to safety and and uh uh maybe drag them to safety and and so on. And there are some which are um so on. And there are some which are um so on. And there are some which are um you know there are some that okay you know there are some that okay you know there are some that okay >> you have to let go their own way. >> you have to let go their own way. >> you have to let go their own way. >> Don't try and force them. Don't curse >> Don't try and force them. Don't curse >> Don't try and force them. Don't curse them. uh as um uh you know the uh them. uh as um uh you know the uh them. uh as um uh you know the uh archangel says, "The Lord rebuke you." archangel says, "The Lord rebuke you." archangel says, "The Lord rebuke you." You know, I'm not going to judge you. You know, I'm not going to judge you. You know, I'm not going to judge you. Let him take care of it. But remember, Let him take care of it. But remember, Let him take care of it. But remember, you're answering to him. you're answering to him. you're answering to him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so on. Uh so to be in that salvific >> And so on. Uh so to be in that salvific >> And so on. Uh so to be in that salvific thing because we want uh to be in the thing because we want uh to be in the thing because we want uh to be in the new heaven and the new earth. Um new heaven and the new earth. Um new heaven and the new earth. Um we that's um you know because of their we that's um you know because of their we that's um you know because of their uh because of the stubbornness of other uh because of the stubbornness of other uh because of the stubbornness of other people [snorts] uh you know some of them people [snorts] uh you know some of them people [snorts] uh you know some of them won't make it but we want to be on the won't make it but we want to be on the won't make it but we want to be on the part of as many as possible making it.

part of as many as possible making it. part of as many as possible making it. So when I see a sinner uh somebody sends So when I see a sinner uh somebody sends So when I see a sinner uh somebody sends something evil going on in the world uh something evil going on in the world uh something evil going on in the world uh I don't u I don't pray that God will I don't u I don't pray that God will I don't u I don't pray that God will strike them with a thunderbolt. Uh I um strike them with a thunderbolt. Uh I um strike them with a thunderbolt. Uh I um I pray for divine mercy for them. I pray for divine mercy for them. I pray for divine mercy for them. >> I pray and know Lord touch them. Lord >> I pray and know Lord touch them. Lord >> I pray and know Lord touch them. Lord restrain them from more evil. Lord bring restrain them from more evil. Lord bring restrain them from more evil. Lord bring them to repentance. Um, I want to have them to repentance. Um, I want to have them to repentance. Um, I want to have um God's tears of mercy in my eyes, not um God's tears of mercy in my eyes, not um God's tears of mercy in my eyes, not the flames of judgment. the flames of judgment. the flames of judgment. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh, that's for the last day and that's >> Uh, that's for the last day and that's >> Uh, that's for the last day and that's in his eyes only. in his eyes only. in his eyes only. >> I love that. Thank you so much for >> I love that. Thank you so much for >> I love that. Thank you so much for ending with that and and thank you for ending with that and and thank you for ending with that and and thank you for being our our guide today through these being our our guide today through these being our our guide today through these uh books. I really appreciate it. Would uh books. I really appreciate it. Would uh books. I really appreciate it. Would you mind closing us in prayer, Peter? you mind closing us in prayer, Peter? you mind closing us in prayer, Peter? >> Okay. Father, thank you. Thank you for >> Okay. Father, thank you. Thank you for >> Okay. Father, thank you. Thank you for uh your [music] uh your [music] uh your [music] um disciples and uh and uh saints down um disciples and uh and uh saints down um disciples and uh and uh saints down the ages. Let their words sink into us the ages. Let their words sink into us the ages. Let their words sink into us as we read them. Let their teaching um as we read them. Let their teaching um as we read them. Let their teaching um [music] [music] [music] uh burn in our hearts and let us be uh burn in our hearts and let us be uh burn in our hearts and let us be drawn closer to you that we may [music] drawn closer to you that we may [music] drawn closer to you that we may [music] be more one uh nature, one loving union, be more one uh nature, one loving union, be more one uh nature, one loving union, one thought, one friendship [music] with one thought, one friendship [music] with one thought, one friendship [music] with you.

you. you. And uh see the world as you see it and And uh see the world as you see it and And uh see the world as you see it and see ourselves as [music] the you see us see ourselves as [music] the you see us see ourselves as [music] the you see us and uh see you for who [music] you are. and uh see you for who [music] you are. and uh see you for who [music] you are. Our father who is drawing us into your Our father who is drawing us into your Our father who is drawing us into your uh [music] kingdom uh [music] kingdom uh [music] kingdom uh forever. Amen. Name of the father and uh forever. Amen. Name of the father and uh forever. Amen. Name of the father and the son and the holy spirit. Amen.