Seeing the Supernatural | Lee Strobel

Hi everybody. Hi everybody. So great to be back. We love this So great to be back. We love this So great to be back. We love this church. We love living in Orange County. church. We love living in Orange County. church. We love living in Orange County. It was great. But we moved to Houston, It was great. But we moved to Houston, It was great. But we moved to Houston, Texas to be near our two oldest Texas to be near our two oldest Texas to be near our two oldest grandchildren. And they were California grandchildren. And they were California grandchildren. And they were California girls, but now they're total Texans. You girls, but now they're total Texans. You girls, but now they're total Texans. You know, it's total different vibe in know, it's total different vibe in know, it's total different vibe in Texas. And they got when they moved Texas. And they got when they moved Texas. And they got when they moved there, they got the cowboy hats and the there, they got the cowboy hats and the there, they got the cowboy hats and the cowboy boots and they learned horseback cowboy boots and they learned horseback cowboy boots and they learned horseback riding lessons and all that stuff. and riding lessons and all that stuff. and riding lessons and all that stuff. and total the reason I know they're total total the reason I know they're total total the reason I know they're total Texans is one night at dinner my little Texans is one night at dinner my little Texans is one night at dinner my little granddaughter Penelopey um uh she called granddaughter Penelopey um uh she called granddaughter Penelopey um uh she called me papa she said papa could I pray for me papa she said papa could I pray for me papa she said papa could I pray for dinner tonight I said sure so this is dinner tonight I said sure so this is dinner tonight I said sure so this is what she prayed God is good is great what she prayed God is good is great what she prayed God is good is great thank you for the lonear state so total thank you for the lonear state so total thank you for the lonear state so total Texan total converts and uh so I moved Texan total converts and uh so I moved Texan total converts and uh so I moved to Texas to be near them and and uh I'm to Texas to be near them and and uh I'm to Texas to be near them and and uh I'm from Chicago what do I know about Texas from Chicago what do I know about Texas from Chicago what do I know about Texas nothing. So I, this is no joke, I nothing. So I, this is no joke, I nothing. So I, this is no joke, I actually bought a book on Amazon called actually bought a book on Amazon called actually bought a book on Amazon called How to Talk Texan.

How to Talk Texan. How to Talk Texan. There's a book, you can read it. You can There's a book, you can read it. You can There's a book, you can read it. You can learn how to talk Texan. I did. Um, learn how to talk Texan. I did. Um, learn how to talk Texan. I did. Um, first thing I learned, the difference first thing I learned, the difference first thing I learned, the difference between y'all and all y'all. between y'all and all y'all. between y'all and all y'all. All y'all's plural. Makes sense when you All y'all's plural. Makes sense when you All y'all's plural. Makes sense when you think about it, but we don't use that in think about it, but we don't use that in think about it, but we don't use that in Chicago. So, I learned that. But the Chicago. So, I learned that. But the Chicago. So, I learned that. But the thing I learned about talking Texan that thing I learned about talking Texan that thing I learned about talking Texan that I like the most is that in Texas, if you I like the most is that in Texas, if you I like the most is that in Texas, if you want to say thank you to someone, you want to say thank you to someone, you want to say thank you to someone, you can say thank you or you can say I can say thank you or you can say I can say thank you or you can say I appreciate you. appreciate you. appreciate you. Ain't that nice? I just think that it's Ain't that nice? I just think that it's Ain't that nice? I just think that it's so nice. I appreciate you. And that's so nice. I appreciate you. And that's so nice. I appreciate you. And that's what I want to say to to all y'all here what I want to say to to all y'all here what I want to say to to all y'all here today is I appreciate you. I really do. today is I appreciate you. I really do. today is I appreciate you. I really do. you take time out from your weekend to you take time out from your weekend to you take time out from your weekend to be here and talk about something that I be here and talk about something that I be here and talk about something that I really hope will deepen your faith and I really hope will deepen your faith and I really hope will deepen your faith and I hope you walk out today with a stronger hope you walk out today with a stronger hope you walk out today with a stronger conviction in the truth of what the conviction in the truth of what the conviction in the truth of what the Bible teaches us about a realm beyond Bible teaches us about a realm beyond Bible teaches us about a realm beyond what we can see and touch. And to start what we can see and touch. And to start what we can see and touch. And to start off, I want to go back to the Old off, I want to go back to the Old off, I want to go back to the Old Testament of the Bible to second Kings Testament of the Bible to second Kings Testament of the Bible to second Kings chapter 6 where we see the story of a chapter 6 where we see the story of a chapter 6 where we see the story of a prophet by the name of Elisha. and he's prophet by the name of Elisha. and he's prophet by the name of Elisha. and he's being hunted down by the Syrian army.

being hunted down by the Syrian army. being hunted down by the Syrian army. The Syrians are mad at Elisha because he The Syrians are mad at Elisha because he The Syrians are mad at Elisha because he foiled their effort to ambush the king foiled their effort to ambush the king foiled their effort to ambush the king of Israel. So, they're after revenge. of Israel. So, they're after revenge. of Israel. So, they're after revenge. And Elisha had a servant and the servant And Elisha had a servant and the servant And Elisha had a servant and the servant is freaking out because he feels like, is freaking out because he feels like, is freaking out because he feels like, hey, whatever they do to Elisha, they're hey, whatever they do to Elisha, they're hey, whatever they do to Elisha, they're going to do to me. So, they're either going to do to me. So, they're either going to do to me. So, they're either going to enslave us or kill us or this going to enslave us or kill us or this going to enslave us or kill us or this is going to be bad. So, the servant of is going to be bad. So, the servant of is going to be bad. So, the servant of Elisha is freaking out. And we pick up Elisha is freaking out. And we pick up Elisha is freaking out. And we pick up the story in verse 15, which says, "When the story in verse 15, which says, "When the story in verse 15, which says, "When the servant of the man of God got up and the servant of the man of God got up and the servant of the man of God got up and went out early the next morning, went out early the next morning, went out early the next morning, an army an army an army with horses and chariots had surrounded with horses and chariots had surrounded with horses and chariots had surrounded the city." "Oh no, my lord, what shall the city." "Oh no, my lord, what shall the city." "Oh no, my lord, what shall we do?" the servant asked. He's freaking we do?" the servant asked. He's freaking we do?" the servant asked. He's freaking out. And Elisha tried to calm him down. out. And Elisha tried to calm him down. out. And Elisha tried to calm him down. He said, "Hey, look, don't freak out. He said, "Hey, look, don't freak out. He said, "Hey, look, don't freak out. Don't be afraid. Those who are with us Don't be afraid. Those who are with us Don't be afraid. Those who are with us are more than those who are with them." are more than those who are with them." are more than those who are with them." But I don't think that satisfied the But I don't think that satisfied the But I don't think that satisfied the servant totally. And so Elisha did servant totally. And so Elisha did servant totally. And so Elisha did something else. He prayed. He said, something else. He prayed. He said, something else. He prayed. He said, "Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may "Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may "Open his eyes, Lord, so that he may see." And then it says, "The Lord opened see." And then it says, "The Lord opened see." And then it says, "The Lord opened the servant's eyes and he looked and he the servant's eyes and he looked and he the servant's eyes and he looked and he saw the hills full of horses and saw the hills full of horses and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha." In chariots of fire all around Elisha." In chariots of fire all around Elisha." In other words, he saw an army of angels other words, he saw an army of angels other words, he saw an army of angels that God had sent to protect them. And that God had sent to protect them. And that God had sent to protect them. And sure enough, Elisha and the servant both sure enough, Elisha and the servant both sure enough, Elisha and the servant both survived this whole encounter survived this whole encounter survived this whole encounter with no problem. And here's my point.

with no problem. And here's my point. with no problem. And here's my point. God gave Elisha's servant a wonderful God gave Elisha's servant a wonderful God gave Elisha's servant a wonderful gift that day. He allowed him to see the gift that day. He allowed him to see the gift that day. He allowed him to see the supernatural. supernatural. supernatural. And when he caught sight of this And when he caught sight of this And when he caught sight of this otherwise hidden realm, his faith was otherwise hidden realm, his faith was otherwise hidden realm, his faith was renewed. His courage was bolstered. And renewed. His courage was bolstered. And renewed. His courage was bolstered. And that vision reassured him of the love that vision reassured him of the love that vision reassured him of the love and protection of the God who created and protection of the God who created and protection of the God who created all. And that's the title of my new all. And that's the title of my new all. And that's the title of my new book, Seeing the Supernatural. book, Seeing the Supernatural. book, Seeing the Supernatural. The subtitle says it all. Investigating The subtitle says it all. Investigating The subtitle says it all. Investigating angels, demons, mystical dreams, angels, demons, mystical dreams, angels, demons, mystical dreams, Near-Death Encounters, and Other Near-Death Encounters, and Other Near-Death Encounters, and Other Mysteries of the Unseen Realm. In other Mysteries of the Unseen Realm. In other Mysteries of the Unseen Realm. In other words, what evidence is there that there words, what evidence is there that there words, what evidence is there that there really is like the Bible says a realm really is like the Bible says a realm really is like the Bible says a realm beyond what we can see and touch and put beyond what we can see and touch and put beyond what we can see and touch and put and attest to? Because the truth is and attest to? Because the truth is and attest to? Because the truth is there is some we think this world is there is some we think this world is there is some we think this world is real and it is but there is a real and it is but there is a real and it is but there is a supernatural realm just as real as what supernatural realm just as real as what supernatural realm just as real as what we can see and touch. Now my background we can see and touch. Now my background we can see and touch. Now my background is in journalism and law. I look for is in journalism and law. I look for is in journalism and law. I look for evidence. I look for facts. I look for evidence. I look for facts. I look for evidence. I look for facts. I look for data. I look for corroboration where we data. I look for corroboration where we data. I look for corroboration where we see something to confirm something else.

see something to confirm something else. see something to confirm something else. So, I didn't just go on the internet and So, I didn't just go on the internet and So, I didn't just go on the internet and look at stories about the supernatural. look at stories about the supernatural. look at stories about the supernatural. There's all kinds of junk out there. I There's all kinds of junk out there. I There's all kinds of junk out there. I wanted to investigate. I wanted to look wanted to investigate. I wanted to look wanted to investigate. I wanted to look at peer-reviewed medical journal at peer-reviewed medical journal at peer-reviewed medical journal studies. I wanted to look at scientific studies. I wanted to look at scientific studies. I wanted to look at scientific testing that was done and so forth. And testing that was done and so forth. And testing that was done and so forth. And so, I ended up writing this book and and so, I ended up writing this book and and so, I ended up writing this book and and and I got this glimpse into the and I got this glimpse into the and I got this glimpse into the supernatural that was lifechanging to supernatural that was lifechanging to supernatural that was lifechanging to me. And and so I want to share that with me. And and so I want to share that with me. And and so I want to share that with wi with you today, at least some of the wi with you today, at least some of the wi with you today, at least some of the evidence that I talk about in the book, evidence that I talk about in the book, evidence that I talk about in the book, and look at a few categories of evidence and look at a few categories of evidence and look at a few categories of evidence that point toward a reality beyond what that point toward a reality beyond what that point toward a reality beyond what we can see and touch. The first category we can see and touch. The first category we can see and touch. The first category is this documented miracles point toward is this documented miracles point toward is this documented miracles point toward the supernatural. the supernatural. the supernatural. Documented miracles point toward the Documented miracles point toward the Documented miracles point toward the supernatural. You know, we we look in supernatural. You know, we we look in supernatural. You know, we we look in the Bible, we see all kinds of stories the Bible, we see all kinds of stories the Bible, we see all kinds of stories about miraculous things that take place. about miraculous things that take place. about miraculous things that take place. miraculous healings and other miracles miraculous healings and other miracles miraculous healings and other miracles and so forth. But you know what? We have and so forth. But you know what? We have and so forth. But you know what? We have solid evidence that supernatural solid evidence that supernatural solid evidence that supernatural miracles are continuing to happen in our miracles are continuing to happen in our miracles are continuing to happen in our world today. I'm not talking about stuff world today. I'm not talking about stuff world today. I'm not talking about stuff you read on the internet. I'm talking you read on the internet. I'm talking you read on the internet. I'm talking about stuff from peer-reviewed medical about stuff from peer-reviewed medical about stuff from peer-reviewed medical journals. And I'll give you one example journals. And I'll give you one example journals. And I'll give you one example that blew my mind. story um true story that blew my mind. story um true story that blew my mind. story um true story published in a medical journal of a published in a medical journal of a published in a medical journal of a woman who was blind for a dozen years woman who was blind for a dozen years woman who was blind for a dozen years with an incurable condition. Nobody had with an incurable condition. Nobody had with an incurable condition. Nobody had ever been cured of this condition. Um ever been cured of this condition. Um ever been cured of this condition. Um she went to a school for the blind. She

she went to a school for the blind. She she went to a school for the blind. She learned how to read Braille. She walked learned how to read Braille. She walked learned how to read Braille. She walked with a white cane and she married a with a white cane and she married a with a white cane and she married a Baptist pastor. And one night they're Baptist pastor. And one night they're Baptist pastor. And one night they're getting ready to go to bed. and she gets getting ready to go to bed. and she gets getting ready to go to bed. and she gets into bed and he comes over to her and into bed and he comes over to her and into bed and he comes over to her and puts his hand on her shoulder and he puts his hand on her shoulder and he puts his hand on her shoulder and he begins to cry and begins to pray and he begins to cry and begins to pray and he begins to cry and begins to pray and he says he he says through his tears, "Oh says he he says through his tears, "Oh says he he says through his tears, "Oh God, you can restore eyesight. Lord, I God, you can restore eyesight. Lord, I God, you can restore eyesight. Lord, I know you can do it and I pray that you know you can do it and I pray that you know you can do it and I pray that you will do it tonight." will do it tonight." will do it tonight." And immediately she opened her eyes to And immediately she opened her eyes to And immediately she opened her eyes to perfect eyesight. perfect eyesight. perfect eyesight. Perfect eyesight. She saw her husband Perfect eyesight. She saw her husband Perfect eyesight. She saw her husband for the first time. for the first time. for the first time. She said later, "I was blind when my She said later, "I was blind when my She said later, "I was blind when my husband prayed for me. And then just husband prayed for me. And then just husband prayed for me. And then just like this, in a moment, after years of like this, in a moment, after years of like this, in a moment, after years of darkness, I could see perfectly. It was darkness, I could see perfectly. It was darkness, I could see perfectly. It was miraculous. Within seconds, my life had miraculous. Within seconds, my life had miraculous. Within seconds, my life had drastically changed. I could see. I drastically changed. I could see. I drastically changed. I could see. I could see." And her eyesight remained could see." And her eyesight remained could see." And her eyesight remained for more than 50 years after that. and for more than 50 years after that. and for more than 50 years after that. and four medical researchers documented the four medical researchers documented the four medical researchers documented the medical evidence for her her case. The medical evidence for her her case. The medical evidence for her her case. The only one ever of anybody being cured of only one ever of anybody being cured of only one ever of anybody being cured of this otherwise incurable condition and this otherwise incurable condition and this otherwise incurable condition and published it in a peer-reviewed medical published it in a peer-reviewed medical published it in a peer-reviewed medical journal. That's pretty good evidence journal. That's pretty good evidence journal. That's pretty good evidence that something supernatural was going that something supernatural was going that something supernatural was going on. Here's my view. I think we can on. Here's my view. I think we can on. Here's my view. I think we can reasonably conclude that a miracle has reasonably conclude that a miracle has reasonably conclude that a miracle has occurred if we have solid medical occurred if we have solid medical occurred if we have solid medical documentation. If we have multiple and documentation. If we have multiple and documentation. If we have multiple and credible eyewitnesses who have no motive credible eyewitnesses who have no motive credible eyewitnesses who have no motive to deceive. If there's no reasonable

to deceive. If there's no reasonable to deceive. If there's no reasonable natural explanation that can explain it natural explanation that can explain it natural explanation that can explain it away and if it occurs in the midst of a away and if it occurs in the midst of a away and if it occurs in the midst of a spiritual environment such as prayer. spiritual environment such as prayer. spiritual environment such as prayer. And I found multiple cases like this of And I found multiple cases like this of And I found multiple cases like this of documented corroborated cases that I documented corroborated cases that I documented corroborated cases that I don't think there's any explanation don't think there's any explanation don't think there's any explanation other than something supernatural took other than something supernatural took other than something supernatural took place. So that's the first category. place. So that's the first category. place. So that's the first category. Documented miracles point toward Documented miracles point toward Documented miracles point toward something supernatural. something supernatural. something supernatural. The second category of evidence are The second category of evidence are The second category of evidence are deathbed visions. Deathbed visions point deathbed visions. Deathbed visions point deathbed visions. Deathbed visions point toward the supernatural. What is a toward the supernatural. What is a toward the supernatural. What is a deathbed vision? A deathbed vision is deathbed vision? A deathbed vision is deathbed vision? A deathbed vision is when someone on the verge of dying all when someone on the verge of dying all when someone on the verge of dying all of a sudden gets a vision of the of a sudden gets a vision of the of a sudden gets a vision of the supernatural realm to come. And there's supernatural realm to come. And there's supernatural realm to come. And there's biblical precedent for this. In the book biblical precedent for this. In the book biblical precedent for this. In the book of Acts in chapter 7, it talks about of Acts in chapter 7, it talks about of Acts in chapter 7, it talks about Stephen a and Stephen who's an apostle. Stephen a and Stephen who's an apostle. Stephen a and Stephen who's an apostle. Stephen um um is is about by the way it Stephen um um is is about by the way it Stephen um um is is about by the way it describes him as being full of the Holy describes him as being full of the Holy describes him as being full of the Holy Spirit. Stephen is just about to get Spirit. Stephen is just about to get Spirit. Stephen is just about to get stoned to death for his faith. And he stoned to death for his faith. And he stoned to death for his faith. And he looks up and he sees the heavens open up looks up and he sees the heavens open up looks up and he sees the heavens open up and he sees the father and the son and he sees the father and the son and he sees the father and the son together waiting to greet him into the together waiting to greet him into the together waiting to greet him into the next realm. So there's biblical next realm. So there's biblical next realm. So there's biblical precedent for these visions. And here's precedent for these visions. And here's precedent for these visions. And here's the deal. These are incredibly common.

the deal. These are incredibly common. the deal. These are incredibly common. It'll blow your mind how common they It'll blow your mind how common they It'll blow your mind how common they are. One team of researchers went to are. One team of researchers went to are. One team of researchers went to this huge hospice facility in New York this huge hospice facility in New York this huge hospice facility in New York State and they tell all the dying State and they tell all the dying State and they tell all the dying patients, "If you have a vision unlike patients, "If you have a vision unlike patients, "If you have a vision unlike anything you've ever had, would you anything you've ever had, would you anything you've ever had, would you please tell us?" Because so many people please tell us?" Because so many people please tell us?" Because so many people who are dying will have a vision like who are dying will have a vision like who are dying will have a vision like this. They don't want to say anything this. They don't want to say anything this. They don't want to say anything cuz they're going to think you're going cuz they're going to think you're going cuz they're going to think you're going to think I'm weird or you're going to to think I'm weird or you're going to to think I'm weird or you're going to think I'm my drugs are too strong or think I'm my drugs are too strong or think I'm my drugs are too strong or whatever. And and so they don't want to whatever. And and so they don't want to whatever. And and so they don't want to talk about it. So they said, "Would you talk about it. So they said, "Would you talk about it. So they said, "Would you please tell us?" Guess what they found please tell us?" Guess what they found please tell us?" Guess what they found out? 88% of them had a pre-death vision. out? 88% of them had a pre-death vision. out? 88% of them had a pre-death vision. 88%. 88%. 88%. And I think the other 12 may very well And I think the other 12 may very well And I think the other 12 may very well percent may have had one as well, but percent may have had one as well, but percent may have had one as well, but they died before they were able to tell they died before they were able to tell they died before they were able to tell somebody. Um, as one researcher said, somebody. Um, as one researcher said, somebody. Um, as one researcher said, they were so realistic that patients they were so realistic that patients they were so realistic that patients reported them as the most awake, alert, reported them as the most awake, alert, reported them as the most awake, alert, and present that they had ever felt. I and present that they had ever felt. I and present that they had ever felt. I think the mere frequency of these think the mere frequency of these think the mere frequency of these experiences argues for their experiences argues for their experiences argues for their authenticity. In other words, if these authenticity. In other words, if these authenticity. In other words, if these only occurred once in a blue moon, then only occurred once in a blue moon, then only occurred once in a blue moon, then a skeptic could say, "Well, sure, a skeptic could say, "Well, sure, a skeptic could say, "Well, sure, hundreds of millions of people have died hundreds of millions of people have died hundreds of millions of people have died over the centuries, and every once in a over the centuries, and every once in a over the centuries, and every once in a while, you can have an anomaly of some while, you can have an anomaly of some while, you can have an anomaly of some sort, and so it doesn't really mean sort, and so it doesn't really mean sort, and so it doesn't really mean anything." No, the fact that they are so anything." No, the fact that they are so anything." No, the fact that they are so common, I think, argues for them being common, I think, argues for them being common, I think, argues for them being authentic. In fact, my wife and I were authentic. In fact, my wife and I were authentic. In fact, my wife and I were at a restaurant in Oklahoma City with at a restaurant in Oklahoma City with at a restaurant in Oklahoma City with seven people, including us. And of the seven people, including us. And of the seven people, including us. And of the seven people having dinner, we began seven people having dinner, we began seven people having dinner, we began talking about this. Four of them had

talking about this. Four of them had talking about this. Four of them had family stories of deathbed visions in family stories of deathbed visions in family stories of deathbed visions in their families. My wife's mom and dad their families. My wife's mom and dad their families. My wife's mom and dad both had deathbed visions. Um, now both had deathbed visions. Um, now both had deathbed visions. Um, now experts studied 3,000 of these cases and experts studied 3,000 of these cases and experts studied 3,000 of these cases and their conclusion was quote, "These are their conclusion was quote, "These are their conclusion was quote, "These are definitely not hallucinations, definitely not hallucinations, definitely not hallucinations, fantasies, or memories caused by grief. fantasies, or memories caused by grief. fantasies, or memories caused by grief. nor are they projections of the nor are they projections of the nor are they projections of the subconscious mind or products of an subconscious mind or products of an subconscious mind or products of an overactive imagination. overactive imagination. overactive imagination. Now again, I'm looking for Now again, I'm looking for Now again, I'm looking for corroboration. How do I know these are corroboration. How do I know these are corroboration. How do I know these are authentic? Well, guess what? We have authentic? Well, guess what? We have authentic? Well, guess what? We have corroboration. We have many cases where corroboration. We have many cases where corroboration. We have many cases where people on their deathbed will see the people on their deathbed will see the people on their deathbed will see the realm to come and they will see people realm to come and they will see people realm to come and they will see people there who they didn't know had died there who they didn't know had died there who they didn't know had died already. I'll give you an example. already. I'll give you an example. already. I'll give you an example. There's a woman named Doris. Very well There's a woman named Doris. Very well There's a woman named Doris. Very well doumented case. Doris is on her doumented case. Doris is on her doumented case. Doris is on her deathbed. She sees the heavens open up. deathbed. She sees the heavens open up. deathbed. She sees the heavens open up. She sees angelic beings. She sees her She sees angelic beings. She sees her She sees angelic beings. She sees her father who had died several years father who had died several years father who had died several years earlier welcoming her to this next earlier welcoming her to this next earlier welcoming her to this next realm. But then she gets this puzzled realm. But then she gets this puzzled realm. But then she gets this puzzled look on her face. I said, "Wait a look on her face. I said, "Wait a look on her face. I said, "Wait a minute.

minute. minute. Why is Vita with my father? What Why is Vita with my father? What Why is Vita with my father? What why is Vita there? It makes no sense. why is Vita there? It makes no sense. why is Vita there? It makes no sense. Why Why would Vita be there?" And then Why Why would Vita be there?" And then Why Why would Vita be there?" And then Doris died. Vita was her sister. She had Doris died. Vita was her sister. She had Doris died. Vita was her sister. She had died three weeks earlier, but nobody had died three weeks earlier, but nobody had died three weeks earlier, but nobody had told Doris told Doris told Doris because Doris was sick and they didn't because Doris was sick and they didn't because Doris was sick and they didn't want the shock of her sister's death to want the shock of her sister's death to want the shock of her sister's death to kill her. So they didn't they withheld kill her. So they didn't they withheld kill her. So they didn't they withheld that news. And yet on her deathbed, she that news. And yet on her deathbed, she that news. And yet on her deathbed, she saw her sister in the realm to come. By saw her sister in the realm to come. By saw her sister in the realm to come. By the way, I share this with my wife Lesie the way, I share this with my wife Lesie the way, I share this with my wife Lesie and she said, "Honey, don't you remember and she said, "Honey, don't you remember and she said, "Honey, don't you remember what happened to my dad?" And then I Oh what happened to my dad?" And then I Oh what happened to my dad?" And then I Oh my gosh, I forgot. This goes back 20 my gosh, I forgot. This goes back 20 my gosh, I forgot. This goes back 20 years. He was dying at a hospice here in years. He was dying at a hospice here in years. He was dying at a hospice here in Orange County. And she went to visit him Orange County. And she went to visit him Orange County. And she went to visit him one day and she comes in. He's on his one day and she comes in. He's on his one day and she comes in. He's on his deathbed and and he says he's all deathbed and and he says he's all deathbed and and he says he's all agitated. He says, "Where's Marge? agitated. He says, "Where's Marge? agitated. He says, "Where's Marge? Where's Marge?" And she said, "What are Where's Marge?" And she said, "What are Where's Marge?" And she said, "What are you talking about?" Marge was just here. you talking about?" Marge was just here. you talking about?" Marge was just here. He She was telling me about heaven. He She was telling me about heaven. He She was telling me about heaven. Where'd she go? Where did Marge go? Where'd she go? Where did Marge go? Where'd she go? Where did Marge go? Marge was his sister. She had died two Marge was his sister. She had died two Marge was his sister. She had died two days earlier, but nobody had told Al days earlier, but nobody had told Al days earlier, but nobody had told Al yet. And yet she he had encountered her yet. And yet she he had encountered her yet. And yet she he had encountered her talking about the next realm right talking about the next realm right talking about the next realm right before he died. Um now often dying before he died. Um now often dying before he died. Um now often dying people will see angels coming to escort people will see angels coming to escort people will see angels coming to escort them to the world to come. And this is them to the world to come. And this is them to the world to come. And this is consistent with the story that Jesus consistent with the story that Jesus consistent with the story that Jesus tells in Luke chapter 16 where he talks tells in Luke chapter 16 where he talks tells in Luke chapter 16 where he talks about a a beggar who had died. And in about a a beggar who had died. And in about a a beggar who had died. And in verse 22 it's uh Jesus said angels

verse 22 it's uh Jesus said angels verse 22 it's uh Jesus said angels carried him to his place of bliss to carried him to his place of bliss to carried him to his place of bliss to heaven. And so many people on their heaven. And so many people on their heaven. And so many people on their deathbed will see angels coming for deathbed will see angels coming for deathbed will see angels coming for them. One example is Charles Templeton. them. One example is Charles Templeton. them. One example is Charles Templeton. Charles Templeton was the best friend of Charles Templeton was the best friend of Charles Templeton was the best friend of Billy Graham the great evangelist. They Billy Graham the great evangelist. They Billy Graham the great evangelist. They were best buddies. People thought were best buddies. People thought were best buddies. People thought Charles Templeton would be the great Charles Templeton would be the great Charles Templeton would be the great evangelist. He was more articulate than evangelist. He was more articulate than evangelist. He was more articulate than Billy Graham. had a huge church up in Billy Graham. had a huge church up in Billy Graham. had a huge church up in Toronto, Canada. But then he went to a Toronto, Canada. But then he went to a Toronto, Canada. But then he went to a liberal seminary and he lost his faith, liberal seminary and he lost his faith, liberal seminary and he lost his faith, became a skeptic, became an atheist, and became a skeptic, became an atheist, and became a skeptic, became an atheist, and I ended up becoming friends with him. I ended up becoming friends with him. I ended up becoming friends with him. And um he ended up uh dying several And um he ended up uh dying several And um he ended up uh dying several years later. But years later. But years later. But what most people don't know is he did what most people don't know is he did what most people don't know is he did come back to faith in Jesus Christ come back to faith in Jesus Christ come back to faith in Jesus Christ before he died. Thank goodness. But on before he died. Thank goodness. But on before he died. Thank goodness. But on his deathbed then after that after he his deathbed then after that after he his deathbed then after that after he came back to faith in Christ on his came back to faith in Christ on his came back to faith in Christ on his deathbed he calls out to his wife deathbed he calls out to his wife deathbed he calls out to his wife Maline. He said, "Meline, Matteline, can Maline. He said, "Meline, Matteline, can Maline. He said, "Meline, Matteline, can you see them? Can you hear them?" Chuck, you see them? Can you hear them?" Chuck, you see them? Can you hear them?" Chuck, what are you talking about? The angels. what are you talking about? The angels. what are you talking about? The angels. They're here in this room. What do you They're here in this room. What do you They're here in this room. What do you mean you can't see them? They're calling mean you can't see them? They're calling mean you can't see them? They're calling my name. I'm going home. He said, "Look my name. I'm going home. He said, "Look my name. I'm going home. He said, "Look at them. Look at them. They're so at them. Look at them. They're so at them. Look at them. They're so beautiful. Look at their eyes. Their beautiful. Look at their eyes. Their beautiful. Look at their eyes. Their eyes are so beautiful." And then with eyes are so beautiful." And then with eyes are so beautiful." And then with great joy, he said, "I'm coming. I'm great joy, he said, "I'm coming. I'm great joy, he said, "I'm coming. I'm coming." and he died.

coming." and he died. coming." and he died. Some of the most compelling visions of Some of the most compelling visions of Some of the most compelling visions of angels that people have in their angels that people have in their angels that people have in their deathbed come from children. Come from deathbed come from children. Come from deathbed come from children. Come from children. Now, let me ask you a children. Now, let me ask you a children. Now, let me ask you a question. A little child who's five question. A little child who's five question. A little child who's five years old, six years old, four years years old, six years old, four years years old, six years old, four years old, what is their image of an angel? old, what is their image of an angel? old, what is their image of an angel? Well, they have a they're like a Well, they have a they're like a Well, they have a they're like a cartoon, right? Like a caricature. It's cartoon, right? Like a caricature. It's cartoon, right? Like a caricature. It's like they got big wings, maybe some like they got big wings, maybe some like they got big wings, maybe some feathers kind of thing. that that's what feathers kind of thing. that that's what feathers kind of thing. that that's what a child thinks of when they think of an a child thinks of when they think of an a child thinks of when they think of an angel, even though the Bible doesn't say angel, even though the Bible doesn't say angel, even though the Bible doesn't say that all angels have wings. Um, but that all angels have wings. Um, but that all angels have wings. Um, but that's not what children see before they that's not what children see before they that's not what children see before they die. So, in one well doumented case of a die. So, in one well doumented case of a die. So, in one well doumented case of a little girl who was dying, this isn't a little girl who was dying, this isn't a little girl who was dying, this isn't a doctoral dissertation, she's about to doctoral dissertation, she's about to doctoral dissertation, she's about to die and she says to her mother, "Mommy, die and she says to her mother, "Mommy, die and she says to her mother, "Mommy, mommy, can you see them?" What? Honey, mommy, can you see them?" What? Honey, mommy, can you see them?" What? Honey, what are you talking about? The angels, what are you talking about? The angels, what are you talking about? The angels, they're in this room. Oh, they're so be they're in this room. Oh, they're so be they're in this room. Oh, they're so be listen to they're singing. They're listen to they're singing. They're listen to they're singing. They're coming for me. The angels are here, coming for me. The angels are here, coming for me. The angels are here, mommy. And her mother didn't want to mommy. And her mother didn't want to mommy. And her mother didn't want to disappoint her, so she she lied and she disappoint her, so she she lied and she disappoint her, so she she lied and she said, "Oh, yeah. I I see the angels.

said, "Oh, yeah. I I see the angels. said, "Oh, yeah. I I see the angels. Look at their big wings." Look at their big wings." Look at their big wings." And the little girl said, "Oh, mommy, And the little girl said, "Oh, mommy, And the little girl said, "Oh, mommy, you don't have to lie. you don't have to lie. you don't have to lie. They don't have big wings." And she went They don't have big wings." And she went They don't have big wings." And she went on to describe them in great detail. on to describe them in great detail. on to describe them in great detail. So, if expectations informed by culture So, if expectations informed by culture So, if expectations informed by culture and upbringing aren't causing the and upbringing aren't causing the and upbringing aren't causing the content of these children's deathbed content of these children's deathbed content of these children's deathbed visions, I think it makes sense that visions, I think it makes sense that visions, I think it makes sense that they're coming from somewhere else. And they're coming from somewhere else. And they're coming from somewhere else. And I think a reasonable explanation is I think a reasonable explanation is I think a reasonable explanation is they're encountering these angels that they're encountering these angels that they're encountering these angels that Jesus talks about. And as so many other Jesus talks about. And as so many other Jesus talks about. And as so many other people see right before they pass from people see right before they pass from people see right before they pass from this world. this world. this world. Third category of evidence for the Third category of evidence for the Third category of evidence for the supernatural are neardeath supernatural are neardeath supernatural are neardeath experiences. near-death experiences. experiences. near-death experiences. experiences. near-death experiences. What's that? These are cases where a What's that? These are cases where a What's that? These are cases where a person is clinically dead. Often no person is clinically dead. Often no person is clinically dead. Often no heartbeat, no brain waves, no heartbeat, no brain waves, no heartbeat, no brain waves, no respiration. respiration. respiration. Um, but their spirit continues to live Um, but their spirit continues to live Um, but their spirit continues to live on and they often get a glimpse of the on and they often get a glimpse of the on and they often get a glimpse of the supernatural realm to come, but then the supernatural realm to come, but then the supernatural realm to come, but then the person their body is revived and the person their body is revived and the person their body is revived and the spirit returns to their body and then spirit returns to their body and then spirit returns to their body and then they often will live for many years they often will live for many years they often will live for many years after that. So, they're not permanently after that. So, they're not permanently after that. So, they're not permanently dead. They're clinically dead, but dead. They're clinically dead, but dead. They're clinically dead, but they're going to come back. Um, by the they're going to come back. Um, by the they're going to come back. Um, by the way, the Bible says that when we die, way, the Bible says that when we die, way, the Bible says that when we die, our spirit, our soul separates from our our spirit, our soul separates from our our spirit, our soul separates from our physical body. And that's exactly what physical body. And that's exactly what physical body. And that's exactly what these near-death experiences indicate.

these near-death experiences indicate. these near-death experiences indicate. And then at the end of history, when And then at the end of history, when And then at the end of history, when Jesus returns, these our spirit will be Jesus returns, these our spirit will be Jesus returns, these our spirit will be reunited with our now resurrected body. reunited with our now resurrected body. reunited with our now resurrected body. we go through final judgment and spend we go through final judgment and spend we go through final judgment and spend eternity in a very physical heaven or a eternity in a very physical heaven or a eternity in a very physical heaven or a very physical hell. Um, but these are very physical hell. Um, but these are very physical hell. Um, but these are this is clinical death. It's not this is clinical death. It's not this is clinical death. It's not permanent death. I was skeptical of permanent death. I was skeptical of permanent death. I was skeptical of this. I thought this sounds kind of this. I thought this sounds kind of this. I thought this sounds kind of newagy. newagy. newagy. And then I found 900 scholarly articles And then I found 900 scholarly articles And then I found 900 scholarly articles about near-death experiences in about near-death experiences in about near-death experiences in scientific journals and medical scientific journals and medical scientific journals and medical journals. This is a very wellressearched journals. This is a very wellressearched journals. This is a very wellressearched area of study and the researchers have area of study and the researchers have area of study and the researchers have found no alternative explanation to found no alternative explanation to found no alternative explanation to explain these away. There's no they explain these away. There's no they explain these away. There's no they can't find another explanation other can't find another explanation other can't find another explanation other than the spirit really does separate than the spirit really does separate than the spirit really does separate from our body at the time of death. Um from our body at the time of death. Um from our body at the time of death. Um now I'm after corroboration. How do I now I'm after corroboration. How do I now I'm after corroboration. How do I know? Because we have hundreds of cases know? Because we have hundreds of cases know? Because we have hundreds of cases where people who are clinically dead, no where people who are clinically dead, no where people who are clinically dead, no brain waves, no heartbeat, no brain waves, no heartbeat, no brain waves, no heartbeat, no respiration, and yet their spirit respiration, and yet their spirit respiration, and yet their spirit separates and they their spirit sees separates and they their spirit sees separates and they their spirit sees things or hears things that would have things or hears things that would have things or hears things that would have been impossible for them to see or hear been impossible for them to see or hear been impossible for them to see or hear if they had if it hadn't separated from if they had if it hadn't separated from if they had if it hadn't separated from their physical body. So let me give you their physical body. So let me give you their physical body. So let me give you an example. Um there was a woman named an example. Um there was a woman named an example. Um there was a woman named Ma Mary. Mary was um dying in a hospital Ma Mary. Mary was um dying in a hospital Ma Mary. Mary was um dying in a hospital in England, in London, England, Memorial in England, in London, England, Memorial in England, in London, England, Memorial Hospital. Um and so they're trying to

Hospital. Um and so they're trying to Hospital. Um and so they're trying to revive her body because now she's she's revive her body because now she's she's revive her body because now she's she's passed. She's dead. But she said later, passed. She's dead. But she said later, passed. She's dead. But she said later, "I was conscious the whole time. Her "I was conscious the whole time. Her "I was conscious the whole time. Her spirit had separated from her body." And spirit had separated from her body." And spirit had separated from her body." And she said, "I'm I'm kind of hovering near she said, "I'm I'm kind of hovering near she said, "I'm I'm kind of hovering near the ceiling of the hospital room, and the ceiling of the hospital room, and the ceiling of the hospital room, and I'm looking down and I'm watching them I'm looking down and I'm watching them I'm looking down and I'm watching them trying to revive my body." Very, very trying to revive my body." Very, very trying to revive my body." Very, very common. This is very common in common. This is very common in common. This is very common in near-death experiences. So, she's near-death experiences. So, she's near-death experiences. So, she's watching the resuscitation efforts and watching the resuscitation efforts and watching the resuscitation efforts and then her spirit floats through a tunnel. then her spirit floats through a tunnel. then her spirit floats through a tunnel. She says she encounters God and then her She says she encounters God and then her She says she encounters God and then her body is revived. body is revived. body is revived. Her spirit returns to her body. Here's Her spirit returns to her body. Here's Her spirit returns to her body. Here's the corroboration. the corroboration. the corroboration. When she wakes up, she says, "I was When she wakes up, she says, "I was When she wakes up, she says, "I was conscious the whole time. I was watching conscious the whole time. I was watching conscious the whole time. I was watching from the ceiling the resuscitation from the ceiling the resuscitation from the ceiling the resuscitation efforts." And she said, "By the way, efforts." And she said, "By the way, efforts." And she said, "By the way, here's the corroboration. there's a here's the corroboration. there's a here's the corroboration. there's a ceiling fan here in this room. ceiling fan here in this room. ceiling fan here in this room. She said, "From my vantage point near She said, "From my vantage point near She said, "From my vantage point near the ceiling, I'm looking down. There's a the ceiling, I'm looking down. There's a the ceiling, I'm looking down. There's a red sticker on the top of one of the red sticker on the top of one of the red sticker on the top of one of the blades of the ceiling fan. You couldn't blades of the ceiling fan. You couldn't blades of the ceiling fan. You couldn't see it from the room. Nobody knew it was see it from the room. Nobody knew it was see it from the room. Nobody knew it was there because it's on the top of a blade there because it's on the top of a blade there because it's on the top of a blade of a tall ceiling fan." And she of a tall ceiling fan." And she of a tall ceiling fan." And she described it in great detail. Well, the described it in great detail. Well, the described it in great detail. Well, the nurse went out and got a big ladder.

nurse went out and got a big ladder. nurse went out and got a big ladder. Came back in, climbs up the ladder, Came back in, climbs up the ladder, Came back in, climbs up the ladder, looked. Sure enough, on the top of the looked. Sure enough, on the top of the looked. Sure enough, on the top of the blade is the red sticker, just as she blade is the red sticker, just as she blade is the red sticker, just as she had described it. Something she could had described it. Something she could had described it. Something she could not have seen or been able to describe not have seen or been able to describe not have seen or been able to describe had her spirit not actually separated had her spirit not actually separated had her spirit not actually separated and continued to live on after her and continued to live on after her and continued to live on after her clinical death. I mean, that is clinical death. I mean, that is clinical death. I mean, that is corroboration. There's at least 107 corroboration. There's at least 107 corroboration. There's at least 107 cases with that kind of corroboration cases with that kind of corroboration cases with that kind of corroboration where people see things and hear things where people see things and hear things where people see things and hear things would have been impossible for them to would have been impossible for them to would have been impossible for them to see or hear if their spirit had not see or hear if their spirit had not see or hear if their spirit had not separated from their body at the time of separated from their body at the time of separated from their body at the time of clinical death. And get this clinical death. And get this clinical death. And get this one remarkable study in a medical one remarkable study in a medical one remarkable study in a medical journal, 21 blind people, most of them journal, 21 blind people, most of them journal, 21 blind people, most of them blind since birth, who died near-death blind since birth, who died near-death blind since birth, who died near-death experience or clinically dead. And yet experience or clinically dead. And yet experience or clinically dead. And yet for the first time, they're able to see for the first time, they're able to see for the first time, they're able to see during their near-death experience. So, during their near-death experience. So, during their near-death experience. So, it's a woman named Vicky Umipeg, 26 it's a woman named Vicky Umipeg, 26 it's a woman named Vicky Umipeg, 26 years old, blind virtually since birth. years old, blind virtually since birth. years old, blind virtually since birth. She's in a car accident. She's killed in She's in a car accident. She's killed in She's in a car accident. She's killed in the car accident, but she says later, "I the car accident, but she says later, "I the car accident, but she says later, "I was conscious the whole time. And I'm was conscious the whole time. And I'm was conscious the whole time. And I'm watching the resuscitation efforts on my watching the resuscitation efforts on my watching the resuscitation efforts on my body. The paramedics are and I'm seeing body. The paramedics are and I'm seeing body. The paramedics are and I'm seeing people and I'm seeing plants and I'm people and I'm seeing plants and I'm people and I'm seeing plants and I'm seeing birds and I'm seeing trees. She's seeing birds and I'm seeing trees. She's seeing birds and I'm seeing trees. She's describing things she could not have describing things she could not have describing things she could not have known.

known. known. And then they revived her body. Her And then they revived her body. Her And then they revived her body. Her spirit returned to her body. She was spirit returned to her body. She was spirit returned to her body. She was blind again. blind again. blind again. Medical researchers said, "This is this Medical researchers said, "This is this Medical researchers said, "This is this is medically impossible." Medically is medically impossible." Medically is medically impossible." Medically impossible. These 21 people in this case impossible. These 21 people in this case impossible. These 21 people in this case study published in a medical journal had study published in a medical journal had study published in a medical journal had were able to see or had visionlike were able to see or had visionlike were able to see or had visionlike perceptions during their near-death perceptions during their near-death perceptions during their near-death experience that can't be explained away. experience that can't be explained away. experience that can't be explained away. And here's the kicker. John Burke And here's the kicker. John Burke And here's the kicker. John Burke happened to be a friend of mine. I've happened to be a friend of mine. I've happened to be a friend of mine. I've known John for about 35 years. John is a known John for about 35 years. John is a known John for about 35 years. John is a Christian pastor but also a researcher. Christian pastor but also a researcher. Christian pastor but also a researcher. He researched 1,500 cases of near-death He researched 1,500 cases of near-death He researched 1,500 cases of near-death experiences and compared them to the experiences and compared them to the experiences and compared them to the Bible. And his conclusion was, Bible. And his conclusion was, Bible. And his conclusion was, if you look at what actually takes place if you look at what actually takes place if you look at what actually takes place in a typical near-death experience, in a typical near-death experience, in a typical near-death experience, what actually takes place, not how what actually takes place, not how what actually takes place, not how people interpret it, because people will people interpret it, because people will people interpret it, because people will interpret it through their own interpret it through their own interpret it through their own worldview. Set that aside. Just look at worldview. Set that aside. Just look at worldview. Set that aside. Just look at what actually takes place near a what actually takes place near a what actually takes place near a near-death experience. It is consistent near-death experience. It is consistent near-death experience. It is consistent with the teachings of the Bible. Another with the teachings of the Bible. Another with the teachings of the Bible. Another researcher found 47 points of researcher found 47 points of researcher found 47 points of correspondence between near-death correspondence between near-death correspondence between near-death experiences, deathbed visions, and the experiences, deathbed visions, and the experiences, deathbed visions, and the teachings of the Bible. Um, now I don't teachings of the Bible. Um, now I don't teachings of the Bible. Um, now I don't get my theology from near-death get my theology from near-death get my theology from near-death experiences. I get my theology from the experiences. I get my theology from the experiences. I get my theology from the Bible. But at a minimum, at a minimum, Bible. But at a minimum, at a minimum, Bible. But at a minimum, at a minimum, what I believe near-death experience is what I believe near-death experience is what I believe near-death experience is established beyond a reasonable doubt established beyond a reasonable doubt established beyond a reasonable doubt is that our spirit, just as the Bible

is that our spirit, just as the Bible is that our spirit, just as the Bible describes, does separate from our body describes, does separate from our body describes, does separate from our body when we die and continues to live on. I when we die and continues to live on. I when we die and continues to live on. I think the near-death ex the evidence of think the near-death ex the evidence of think the near-death ex the evidence of that, I think, is incontrovertible. that, I think, is incontrovertible. that, I think, is incontrovertible. Um, that's pretty good evidence that Um, that's pretty good evidence that Um, that's pretty good evidence that there is a realm beyond this world in there is a realm beyond this world in there is a realm beyond this world in which we see and touch things. Another which we see and touch things. Another which we see and touch things. Another category of evidence for the category of evidence for the category of evidence for the supernatural are contemporary encounters supernatural are contemporary encounters supernatural are contemporary encounters with angels. with angels. with angels. Contemporary encounters with angels. The Contemporary encounters with angels. The Contemporary encounters with angels. The Bible has 300 references to angels. Bible has 300 references to angels. Bible has 300 references to angels. Hebrews 1:14 says, "Are not all angels Hebrews 1:14 says, "Are not all angels Hebrews 1:14 says, "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those ministering spirits sent to serve those ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" So in other who will inherit salvation?" So in other who will inherit salvation?" So in other words, angels are not just created to words, angels are not just created to words, angels are not just created to serve and glorify God, but also to serve serve and glorify God, but also to serve serve and glorify God, but also to serve his people. And the Bible does his people. And the Bible does his people. And the Bible does anticipate that some of us will anticipate that some of us will anticipate that some of us will encounter angelic beings in this world. encounter angelic beings in this world. encounter angelic beings in this world. Hebrews 13:2 says, "Do not forget to Hebrews 13:2 says, "Do not forget to Hebrews 13:2 says, "Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers. For by show hospitality to strangers. For by show hospitality to strangers. For by doing so, some people have shown doing so, some people have shown doing so, some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing hospitality to angels without knowing hospitality to angels without knowing it." And my book documents several cases it." And my book documents several cases it." And my book documents several cases where I don't think you can reach any where I don't think you can reach any where I don't think you can reach any other conclusion other than this is an other conclusion other than this is an other conclusion other than this is an authentic encounter with an angelic authentic encounter with an angelic authentic encounter with an angelic being. I'll give you an example. Um being. I'll give you an example. Um being. I'll give you an example. Um wellressearched case of John Payton, wellressearched case of John Payton, wellressearched case of John Payton, John G. Payton, P A T- O N. Uh he's a John G. Payton, P A T- O N. Uh he's a John G. Payton, P A T- O N. Uh he's a Scottish missionary. Him and his wife Scottish missionary. Him and his wife Scottish missionary. Him and his wife went to a um remote island in the South

went to a um remote island in the South went to a um remote island in the South Pacific to share Jesus and they got a Pacific to share Jesus and they got a Pacific to share Jesus and they got a little cottage. They're living there. little cottage. They're living there. little cottage. They're living there. Well, unfortunately, the people didn't Well, unfortunately, the people didn't Well, unfortunately, the people didn't quite like the message of Jesus. And so, quite like the message of Jesus. And so, quite like the message of Jesus. And so, one night, a mob from this local tribe one night, a mob from this local tribe one night, a mob from this local tribe came to burn down their house and kill came to burn down their house and kill came to burn down their house and kill them. So, they're watching this hostile them. So, they're watching this hostile them. So, they're watching this hostile mob forming outside their house. What mob forming outside their house. What mob forming outside their house. What can they do? Pray. It's all they can do. can they do? Pray. It's all they can do. can they do? Pray. It's all they can do. So, they're in their home. They're So, they're in their home. They're So, they're in their home. They're praying, "God, protect us. God, save us. praying, "God, protect us. God, save us. praying, "God, protect us. God, save us. These people are out to kill us. What? These people are out to kill us. What? These people are out to kill us. What? We need your help." And they prayed all We need your help." And they prayed all We need your help." And they prayed all night. And by dawn, the mob just kind of night. And by dawn, the mob just kind of night. And by dawn, the mob just kind of dispersed and everybody went home and dispersed and everybody went home and dispersed and everybody went home and nothing happened. nothing happened. nothing happened. A year later, John led the head of that A year later, John led the head of that A year later, John led the head of that mob to faith in Jesus Christ. And he was mob to faith in Jesus Christ. And he was mob to faith in Jesus Christ. And he was having a conversation with him. He said, having a conversation with him. He said, having a conversation with him. He said, "Hey, do you remember that night when "Hey, do you remember that night when "Hey, do you remember that night when you all came to burn down our house and you all came to burn down our house and you all came to burn down our house and kill us?" They said, "Oh yeah, I kill us?" They said, "Oh yeah, I kill us?" They said, "Oh yeah, I remember that." Said, "Why didn't you do remember that." Said, "Why didn't you do remember that." Said, "Why didn't you do it?" He said, 'Well, who are all those it?" He said, 'Well, who are all those it?" He said, 'Well, who are all those men that you had there?'

men that you had there?' men that you had there?' He said, 'We didn't have any men there. He said, 'We didn't have any men there. He said, 'We didn't have any men there. It was just my wife and I said, 'N no, It was just my wife and I said, 'N no, It was just my wife and I said, 'N no, no, no, no, no. Your house was no, no, no, no. Your house was no, no, no, no. Your house was surrounded by these muscular men in surrounded by these muscular men in surrounded by these muscular men in white garments with drawn swords. white garments with drawn swords. white garments with drawn swords. There's no way we could have attacked There's no way we could have attacked There's no way we could have attacked your house that night. We just all went your house that night. We just all went your house that night. We just all went home and went to bed. Um, home and went to bed. Um, home and went to bed. Um, who were they? They both agreed who were they? They both agreed who were they? They both agreed those were angelic beings sent by God to those were angelic beings sent by God to those were angelic beings sent by God to protect him. And that's one of numerous protect him. And that's one of numerous protect him. And that's one of numerous case studies that I think point case studies that I think point case studies that I think point persuasively toward that being the case. persuasively toward that being the case. persuasively toward that being the case. One other area of evidence for the One other area of evidence for the One other area of evidence for the supernatural. This is fascinating too supernatural. This is fascinating too supernatural. This is fascinating too are mystical dreams and visions that are are mystical dreams and visions that are are mystical dreams and visions that are being experienced by Muslims around the being experienced by Muslims around the being experienced by Muslims around the world. world. world. You know in the Bible we see in the Old You know in the Bible we see in the Old You know in the Bible we see in the Old Testament and New Testament many cases Testament and New Testament many cases Testament and New Testament many cases in fact about 200 examples of God using in fact about 200 examples of God using in fact about 200 examples of God using dreams and visions in a mystical way uh dreams and visions in a mystical way uh dreams and visions in a mystical way uh to further his plan. So in the Old to further his plan. So in the Old to further his plan. So in the Old Testament we see Abraham and Joseph and Testament we see Abraham and Joseph and Testament we see Abraham and Joseph and Samuel. In the New Testament we see Samuel. In the New Testament we see Samuel. In the New Testament we see Cornelius and John and Zachcharias Cornelius and John and Zachcharias Cornelius and John and Zachcharias having visions or dreams that further having visions or dreams that further having visions or dreams that further God's plans. Well, guess what? More God's plans. Well, guess what? More God's plans. Well, guess what? More Muslims have become followers of Jesus Muslims have become followers of Jesus Muslims have become followers of Jesus Christ in the last couple of decades Christ in the last couple of decades Christ in the last couple of decades than in the 1400 years since Muhammad than in the 1400 years since Muhammad than in the 1400 years since Muhammad and up to a third of them report having and up to a third of them report having and up to a third of them report having a supernatural dream of Jesus before a supernatural dream of Jesus before a supernatural dream of Jesus before they converted to Christianity.

they converted to Christianity. they converted to Christianity. The these are incredibly consistent The these are incredibly consistent The these are incredibly consistent across international boundaries and it across international boundaries and it across international boundaries and it suggests that it's more than just the suggests that it's more than just the suggests that it's more than just the product of an overactive imagination. product of an overactive imagination. product of an overactive imagination. Besides which, a devout Muslim would Besides which, a devout Muslim would Besides which, a devout Muslim would have no incentive to imagine an have no incentive to imagine an have no incentive to imagine an encounter with the Jesus of Christianity encounter with the Jesus of Christianity encounter with the Jesus of Christianity who might lure them into Islamic who might lure them into Islamic who might lure them into Islamic apostasy and maybe a death sentence in a apostasy and maybe a death sentence in a apostasy and maybe a death sentence in a certain countries. certain countries. certain countries. Besides which, these dreams are Besides which, these dreams are Besides which, these dreams are corroborated. Remember I said I'm corroborated. Remember I said I'm corroborated. Remember I said I'm looking for evidence that they're true. looking for evidence that they're true. looking for evidence that they're true. How do I know if it's just a dream? How How do I know if it's just a dream? How How do I know if it's just a dream? How do I know it's not just your do I know it's not just your do I know it's not just your imagination? Because when you research imagination? Because when you research imagination? Because when you research these, what you find is people are not these, what you find is people are not these, what you find is people are not going to sleep as a Muslim, having a going to sleep as a Muslim, having a going to sleep as a Muslim, having a dream about Jesus, and waking up as a dream about Jesus, and waking up as a dream about Jesus, and waking up as a Christian. That's not how it works. The Christian. That's not how it works. The Christian. That's not how it works. The dreams and visions point them towards dreams and visions point them towards dreams and visions point them towards someone who then shares the gospel with someone who then shares the gospel with someone who then shares the gospel with them. So, I'll give you an example. them. So, I'll give you an example. them. So, I'll give you an example. There's a woman named Noir, N O R. She There's a woman named Noir, N O R. She There's a woman named Noir, N O R. She was a Muslim woman, mother of eight was a Muslim woman, mother of eight was a Muslim woman, mother of eight children living in Cairo, Egypt. And one children living in Cairo, Egypt. And one children living in Cairo, Egypt. And one night, she goes to bed. She has the most night, she goes to bed. She has the most night, she goes to bed. She has the most vivid dream she'd ever had in her life.

vivid dream she'd ever had in her life. vivid dream she'd ever had in her life. Never had anything like it. And in this Never had anything like it. And in this Never had anything like it. And in this dream, Jesus is walking with her along a dream, Jesus is walking with her along a dream, Jesus is walking with her along a lake shore. And he tells her how much he lake shore. And he tells her how much he lake shore. And he tells her how much he loves her. And she said later, "His love loves her. And she said later, "His love loves her. And she said later, "His love was different from anything I'd ever was different from anything I'd ever was different from anything I'd ever experienced. I I'd never felt so much experienced. I I'd never felt so much experienced. I I'd never felt so much peace. I didn't want him to leave." She peace. I didn't want him to leave." She peace. I didn't want him to leave." She said, "I said to this Jesus, why are you said, "I said to this Jesus, why are you said, "I said to this Jesus, why are you visiting me? I'm just a poor Muslim visiting me? I'm just a poor Muslim visiting me? I'm just a poor Muslim mother of eight children." mother of eight children." mother of eight children." And Jesus said, "I love you, Norah. And Jesus said, "I love you, Norah. And Jesus said, "I love you, Norah. I've given everything for you. I died I've given everything for you. I died I've given everything for you. I died for you." for you." for you." And as Jesus turned to leave, he said, And as Jesus turned to leave, he said, And as Jesus turned to leave, he said, "Nor, ask my friend tomorrow about me, "Nor, ask my friend tomorrow about me, "Nor, ask my friend tomorrow about me, and he will explain everything about why and he will explain everything about why and he will explain everything about why I appeared to you." And she said, "Your I appeared to you." And she said, "Your I appeared to you." And she said, "Your friend? Who's your friend?" And Jesus friend? Who's your friend?" And Jesus friend? Who's your friend?" And Jesus gestured toward a man who'd been walking gestured toward a man who'd been walking gestured toward a man who'd been walking with them along the lake shore. But she with them along the lake shore. But she with them along the lake shore. But she was so mesmerized by Jesus. She didn't was so mesmerized by Jesus. She didn't was so mesmerized by Jesus. She didn't notice this guy who was with him. So she notice this guy who was with him. So she notice this guy who was with him. So she sees this man walking with them. He sees this man walking with them. He sees this man walking with them. He says, "Here's my friend. He's been says, "Here's my friend. He's been says, "Here's my friend. He's been walking with us the whole time." She walking with us the whole time." She walking with us the whole time." She wakes up from the dream. The next day, wakes up from the dream. The next day, wakes up from the dream. The next day, she goes to the crowded marketplace on she goes to the crowded marketplace on she goes to the crowded marketplace on Friday afternoon in Cairo, Egypt, and Friday afternoon in Cairo, Egypt, and Friday afternoon in Cairo, Egypt, and she sees that man from her dream.

she sees that man from her dream. she sees that man from her dream. She walks up to You're the one. You're She walks up to You're the one. You're She walks up to You're the one. You're the Whoa. What are you talking about? the Whoa. What are you talking about? the Whoa. What are you talking about? You're the one. Same face, same glasses, You're the one. Same face, same glasses, You're the one. Same face, same glasses, same clothes. You're the one. He said, same clothes. You're the one. He said, same clothes. You're the one. He said, "Was I with Jesus?" "Was I with Jesus?" "Was I with Jesus?" She said, "Yes." She said, "Yes." She said, "Yes." Turned out he was an underground church Turned out he was an underground church Turned out he was an underground church planter. He wasn't. He didn't want to go planter. He wasn't. He didn't want to go planter. He wasn't. He didn't want to go to the crowded marketplace in Cairo on to the crowded marketplace in Cairo on to the crowded marketplace in Cairo on Friday afternoon. It's chaotic. Friday afternoon. It's chaotic. Friday afternoon. It's chaotic. But he felt like God had a mission for But he felt like God had a mission for But he felt like God had a mission for him that day. And he went. He meets No, him that day. And he went. He meets No, him that day. And he went. He meets No, and here's the key. He pulls her aside and here's the key. He pulls her aside and here's the key. He pulls her aside and he opens the Bible and he shares the and he opens the Bible and he shares the and he opens the Bible and he shares the gospel with her for three hours. That's gospel with her for three hours. That's gospel with her for three hours. That's the external corroboration of that the external corroboration of that the external corroboration of that dream. This was not just a product of dream. This was not just a product of dream. This was not just a product of her imagination. She had no incentive to her imagination. She had no incentive to her imagination. She had no incentive to dream it. dream it. dream it. And then how do you explain that she And then how do you explain that she And then how do you explain that she encounters later the man from her dream? encounters later the man from her dream? encounters later the man from her dream? We had the virtually the exact same We had the virtually the exact same We had the virtually the exact same thing happen at my church in Houston, thing happen at my church in Houston, thing happen at my church in Houston, Texas from a woman from the Middle East Texas from a woman from the Middle East Texas from a woman from the Middle East whose husband worked for the oil whose husband worked for the oil whose husband worked for the oil industry and was lo same kind of thing.

industry and was lo same kind of thing. industry and was lo same kind of thing. Saw the man from her dream in our Saw the man from her dream in our Saw the man from her dream in our church. He was our head of baptism, church. He was our head of baptism, church. He was our head of baptism, leads her to faith and baptizes her just leads her to faith and baptizes her just leads her to faith and baptizes her just as she had dreamed in her dream. Um, I as she had dreamed in her dream. Um, I as she had dreamed in her dream. Um, I mean this this is one of the most mean this this is one of the most mean this this is one of the most powerful awakenings going on in the powerful awakenings going on in the powerful awakenings going on in the entire world spiritually speaking. entire world spiritually speaking. entire world spiritually speaking. There's another case um of a man named There's another case um of a man named There's another case um of a man named they call Omar. Omar hated Jewish they call Omar. Omar hated Jewish they call Omar. Omar hated Jewish people. He grew up in a refugee camp. people. He grew up in a refugee camp. people. He grew up in a refugee camp. His goal was to kill as many Jewish His goal was to kill as many Jewish His goal was to kill as many Jewish people as he could. So he decided to people as he could. So he decided to people as he could. So he decided to join Hamas, the terrorist organization. join Hamas, the terrorist organization. join Hamas, the terrorist organization. He makes arrangements to meet with some He makes arrangements to meet with some He makes arrangements to meet with some leaders of Hamas. And he's walking down leaders of Hamas. And he's walking down leaders of Hamas. And he's walking down the street to meet with these guys and the street to meet with these guys and the street to meet with these guys and and he's confronted by a vision of and he's confronted by a vision of and he's confronted by a vision of Jesus. And Jesus looks at him and Jesus. And Jesus looks at him and Jesus. And Jesus looks at him and says,"Omar, this is not the life I have says,"Omar, this is not the life I have says,"Omar, this is not the life I have for you. I want you to turn around. I for you. I want you to turn around. I for you. I want you to turn around. I want you to go home. This is not the want you to go home. This is not the want you to go home. This is not the life I have planned for you." And he's life I have planned for you." And he's life I have planned for you." And he's freaked out. So he turns around. He goes freaked out. So he turns around. He goes freaked out. So he turns around. He goes home.

home. home. What was that all about? What was that all about? What was that all about? Later that day, a Christian family moved Later that day, a Christian family moved Later that day, a Christian family moved into the apartment across the hall from into the apartment across the hall from into the apartment across the hall from his apartment. And he went over to them his apartment. And he went over to them his apartment. And he went over to them and he said, "Hey, you're Christians. I and he said, "Hey, you're Christians. I and he said, "Hey, you're Christians. I just had this encounter where Jesus told just had this encounter where Jesus told just had this encounter where Jesus told me that. What do you think of this?" And me that. What do you think of this?" And me that. What do you think of this?" And they open the Bible and they share the they open the Bible and they share the they open the Bible and they share the gospel with him. He not only comes to gospel with him. He not only comes to gospel with him. He not only comes to faith in Christ, but today he's an faith in Christ, but today he's an faith in Christ, but today he's an underground church planter in the Middle underground church planter in the Middle underground church planter in the Middle East. Friends, these are happening all East. Friends, these are happening all East. Friends, these are happening all over the Middle East. my book, I over the Middle East. my book, I over the Middle East. my book, I interview the the guy who's done all the interview the the guy who's done all the interview the the guy who's done all the research on these things. And he said, research on these things. And he said, research on these things. And he said, "Le, I could pick up the phone right "Le, I could pick up the phone right "Le, I could pick up the phone right now. I could call Syria. I could call now. I could call Syria. I could call now. I could call Syria. I could call Iraq. I could call Iran. I could call uh Iraq. I could call Iran. I could call uh Iraq. I could call Iran. I could call uh Kuwait. I'll give you five more stories Kuwait. I'll give you five more stories Kuwait. I'll give you five more stories right now. It is unbelievable." In fact, right now. It is unbelievable." In fact, right now. It is unbelievable." In fact, get this. It's so common that if you go get this. It's so common that if you go get this. It's so common that if you go to Cairo, you can pick up the local to Cairo, you can pick up the local to Cairo, you can pick up the local newspaper and you open up the newspaper newspaper and you open up the newspaper newspaper and you open up the newspaper and you'll see an ad. And the ad says, and you'll see an ad. And the ad says, and you'll see an ad. And the ad says, "Call this number and we'll tell you "Call this number and we'll tell you "Call this number and we'll tell you about the man in white you met in your about the man in white you met in your about the man in white you met in your dream last night."

Absolutely unbel How do you explain Absolutely unbel How do you explain that? How do you explain that? Um, I that? How do you explain that? Um, I that? How do you explain that? Um, I mean I I think you hear and I'm just mean I I think you hear and I'm just mean I I think you hear and I'm just scratching the surface here, but we scratching the surface here, but we scratching the surface here, but we looked at five categories of evidence looked at five categories of evidence looked at five categories of evidence and I believe it's a reasonable and I believe it's a reasonable and I believe it's a reasonable conclusion from these five categories of conclusion from these five categories of conclusion from these five categories of evidence that yes, there is, as the evidence that yes, there is, as the evidence that yes, there is, as the Bible says, a supernatural realm. Bible says, a supernatural realm. Bible says, a supernatural realm. Um, but you know what? Um, but you know what? Um, but you know what? Much as I believe it's reasonable to Much as I believe it's reasonable to Much as I believe it's reasonable to draw that conclusion based on the draw that conclusion based on the draw that conclusion based on the evidence, someday you will have evidence, someday you will have evidence, someday you will have irrefutable evidence that it's true. irrefutable evidence that it's true. irrefutable evidence that it's true. Cuz someday you're going to be on your Cuz someday you're going to be on your Cuz someday you're going to be on your deathbed. deathbed. deathbed. Someday you're going to pass from this Someday you're going to pass from this Someday you're going to pass from this world and then it's not going to be a world and then it's not going to be a world and then it's not going to be a matter of, oh, here's some evidence for matter of, oh, here's some evidence for matter of, oh, here's some evidence for something. You will know for sure that something. You will know for sure that something. You will know for sure that there is a supernatural realm. Um, there is a supernatural realm. Um, there is a supernatural realm. Um, and there's something I didn't tell you and there's something I didn't tell you and there's something I didn't tell you that I got to say, that I got to say, that I got to say, which is that not all of these which is that not all of these which is that not all of these near-death experiences and deathbed near-death experiences and deathbed near-death experiences and deathbed visions are positive.

visions are positive. visions are positive. About 24% of them are horrific. About 24% of them are horrific. About 24% of them are horrific. Absolutely horrific. Absolutely horrific. Absolutely horrific. People screaming before they pass. People screaming before they pass. People screaming before they pass. Oh, I'll give you an example. H Howard Oh, I'll give you an example. H Howard Oh, I'll give you an example. H Howard Storm Howard, Dr. Howard Storm was a Storm Howard, Dr. Howard Storm was a Storm Howard, Dr. Howard Storm was a professor of art at a major secular professor of art at a major secular professor of art at a major secular university, chairman of the art university, chairman of the art university, chairman of the art department. He was an atheist, did not department. He was an atheist, did not department. He was an atheist, did not believe in God, hated the idea of God. believe in God, hated the idea of God. believe in God, hated the idea of God. He goes to Paris, France, and he dies of He goes to Paris, France, and he dies of He goes to Paris, France, and he dies of a heart attack. But he said later, "I a heart attack. But he said later, "I a heart attack. But he said later, "I was conscious the whole time." And he was conscious the whole time." And he was conscious the whole time." And he described how he was lured into an described how he was lured into an described how he was lured into an encounter encounter encounter with with with demons demons demons that he said no horror movie can even that he said no horror movie can even that he said no horror movie can even begin to describe what took place. begin to describe what took place. begin to describe what took place. It was he says I I can't I I he had It was he says I I can't I I he had It was he says I I can't I I he had post-traumatic stress from it. It it was post-traumatic stress from it. It it was post-traumatic stress from it. It it was a horrific experience that he had. In a horrific experience that he had. In a horrific experience that he had. In the midst of it, he called out to Jesus.

the midst of it, he called out to Jesus. the midst of it, he called out to Jesus. Jesus, help me. Save me. And this ball Jesus, help me. Save me. And this ball Jesus, help me. Save me. And this ball of light comes and Jesus embraces him of light comes and Jesus embraces him of light comes and Jesus embraces him and takes him away to safety. And when and takes him away to safety. And when and takes him away to safety. And when he is revived and his spirit returned to he is revived and his spirit returned to he is revived and his spirit returned to his body, he not only renounced his his body, he not only renounced his his body, he not only renounced his atheism, he not only resigned his tenur atheism, he not only resigned his tenur atheism, he not only resigned his tenur position as a professor at a major position as a professor at a major position as a professor at a major secular university, he not only became a secular university, he not only became a secular university, he not only became a Christian, but he went to seminary and Christian, but he went to seminary and Christian, but he went to seminary and today he's a pastor of a tiny little today he's a pastor of a tiny little today he's a pastor of a tiny little church in the middle of nowhere in church in the middle of nowhere in church in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky serving local people the gospel Kentucky serving local people the gospel Kentucky serving local people the gospel of Jesus Christ. It changed his life. of Jesus Christ. It changed his life. of Jesus Christ. It changed his life. Um, you don't change your life based on a you don't change your life based on a dream. You don't have a nightmare and it dream. You don't have a nightmare and it dream. You don't have a nightmare and it changed your life that way. He changed your life that way. He changed your life that way. He experienced something that gave him experienced something that gave him experienced something that gave him post-traumatic stress syndrome so bad post-traumatic stress syndrome so bad post-traumatic stress syndrome so bad that it took years for him to recover. that it took years for him to recover. that it took years for him to recover. You know, Hebrews 9 27 says, "People are You know, Hebrews 9 27 says, "People are You know, Hebrews 9 27 says, "People are destined once to die and then to face destined once to die and then to face destined once to die and then to face judgment." In other words, when we die judgment." In other words, when we die judgment." In other words, when we die permanently, we don't get another permanently, we don't get another permanently, we don't get another chance.

chance. chance. Howard got another chance because he Howard got another chance because he Howard got another chance because he wasn't dead permanently. He was wasn't dead permanently. He was wasn't dead permanently. He was clinically dead. No heartbeat, no brain clinically dead. No heartbeat, no brain clinically dead. No heartbeat, no brain waves, no respiration, clinically dead, waves, no respiration, clinically dead, waves, no respiration, clinically dead, but he was going to come back. but he was going to come back. but he was going to come back. And in the midst of this horror film And in the midst of this horror film And in the midst of this horror film that he found himself in, calling out to that he found himself in, calling out to that he found himself in, calling out to Jesus, and Jesus saved him. When we die Jesus, and Jesus saved him. When we die Jesus, and Jesus saved him. When we die permanently, we don't get that permanently, we don't get that permanently, we don't get that opportunity. opportunity. opportunity. We are appointed once to die and then We are appointed once to die and then We are appointed once to die and then the judgment. the judgment. the judgment. So, we don't have a chance So, we don't have a chance So, we don't have a chance to reach out to Jesus to reach out to Jesus to reach out to Jesus if we're headed toward that kind of if we're headed toward that kind of if we're headed toward that kind of encounter after we die. encounter after we die. encounter after we die. You know, the first verse I memorized as You know, the first verse I memorized as You know, the first verse I memorized as a new Christian was 1 John 5:13 a new Christian was 1 John 5:13 a new Christian was 1 John 5:13 talking about the Bible. says, "These talking about the Bible. says, "These talking about the Bible. says, "These things are written to you who believe in things are written to you who believe in things are written to you who believe in the name of the son of God in order you the name of the son of God in order you the name of the son of God in order you may know that you have eternal life." may know that you have eternal life." may know that you have eternal life." And the question I want to ask close is, And the question I want to ask close is, And the question I want to ask close is, do you know? Do you know what's going to do you know? Do you know what's going to do you know? Do you know what's going to happen to you when you reach that point happen to you when you reach that point happen to you when you reach that point and you pass from this world? Do you and you pass from this world? Do you and you pass from this world? Do you know? Are you confident? God doesn't know? Are you confident? God doesn't know? Are you confident? God doesn't want you in a sense of apprehension, want you in a sense of apprehension, want you in a sense of apprehension, anxiety, worry, fear.

anxiety, worry, fear. anxiety, worry, fear. He wants you to have confidence that He wants you to have confidence that He wants you to have confidence that when you pass from this world, you will when you pass from this world, you will when you pass from this world, you will encounter God forever in heaven. encounter God forever in heaven. encounter God forever in heaven. Romans 6:23 says, "The wages of sin is Romans 6:23 says, "The wages of sin is Romans 6:23 says, "The wages of sin is death." What we deserve because of the death." What we deserve because of the death." What we deserve because of the way we walked away from God. We've way we walked away from God. We've way we walked away from God. We've sinned. We violated his laws. We all sinned. We violated his laws. We all sinned. We violated his laws. We all have done it. The consequence of that is have done it. The consequence of that is have done it. The consequence of that is death, which means eternal separation death, which means eternal separation death, which means eternal separation from God. That's what Howard Storm was from God. That's what Howard Storm was from God. That's what Howard Storm was going to experience. going to experience. going to experience. But the verse says, "The free gift of But the verse says, "The free gift of But the verse says, "The free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus God is eternal life through Christ Jesus God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." Free gift. Have you received our Lord." Free gift. Have you received our Lord." Free gift. Have you received the gift? Do you know? Are you the gift? Do you know? Are you the gift? Do you know? Are you confident? confident? confident? Friends, I couldn't come all the way Friends, I couldn't come all the way Friends, I couldn't come all the way from Houston, Texas, and not give you an from Houston, Texas, and not give you an from Houston, Texas, and not give you an opportunity if you're not sure to know opportunity if you're not sure to know opportunity if you're not sure to know for a fact right now that when you for a fact right now that when you for a fact right now that when you encounter the supernatural, as someday encounter the supernatural, as someday encounter the supernatural, as someday you will, that would be a blessing to you will, that would be a blessing to you will, that would be a blessing to you, you, you, that you will open your eyes in the that you will open your eyes in the that you will open your eyes in the presence of God for eternity. So, let me presence of God for eternity. So, let me presence of God for eternity. So, let me just give you that opportunity.

just give you that opportunity. just give you that opportunity. free gift of God is eternal life through free gift of God is eternal life through free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus. Let's just bow our heads Christ Jesus. Let's just bow our heads Christ Jesus. Let's just bow our heads and close our eyes. And if you want to and close our eyes. And if you want to and close our eyes. And if you want to take that step, take that step, take that step, just in your heart, God will hear you. just in your heart, God will hear you. just in your heart, God will hear you. Just in your heart, Just in your heart, Just in your heart, say, "L say Jesus, say, "L say Jesus, say, "L say Jesus, as best I can, I do believe that you are as best I can, I do believe that you are as best I can, I do believe that you are the son of God. And right now I confess the obvious, And right now I confess the obvious, which is I am a sinner. which is I am a sinner. which is I am a sinner. I know that. I know that. I know that. I've done things I knew they were wrong I've done things I knew they were wrong I've done things I knew they were wrong before I did them. I did them anyway. before I did them. I did them anyway. before I did them. I did them anyway. I've sinned. I know that. I've sinned. I know that. I've sinned. I know that. And I confess it. And I confess it. And I confess it. And right now, I turn from it. And right now, I turn from it. And right now, I turn from it. and in an attitude of repentance and and in an attitude of repentance and and in an attitude of repentance and faith. faith. faith. Right now, I receive Right now, I receive Right now, I receive I receive that free gift of forgiveness I receive that free gift of forgiveness I receive that free gift of forgiveness and eternal life and eternal life and eternal life that you purchased for me on the cross that you purchased for me on the cross that you purchased for me on the cross when you died as my substitute to pay when you died as my substitute to pay when you died as my substitute to pay for all of my sin.

Thank you, Jesus, for loving me so much Thank you, Jesus, for loving me so much that you endured the torture of the that you endured the torture of the that you endured the torture of the cross so that we could be reconciled cross so that we could be reconciled cross so that we could be reconciled forever. Help me Jesus Help me Jesus to live the kind of life that you want to live the kind of life that you want to live the kind of life that you want me to live because from this point on, because from this point on, I am yours. And now, Father, we know on the And now, Father, we know on the authority of your word that anyone who authority of your word that anyone who authority of your word that anyone who prayed a prayer like that in repentance prayed a prayer like that in repentance prayed a prayer like that in repentance and faith that you have now adopted them and faith that you have now adopted them and faith that you have now adopted them into your family forever. into your family forever. into your family forever. and that when they pass from this world, and that when they pass from this world, and that when they pass from this world, it will be to a world of unspeakable joy it will be to a world of unspeakable joy it will be to a world of unspeakable joy and bliss in your presence for eternity. and bliss in your presence for eternity. and bliss in your presence for eternity. We thank you for that. No greater gift We thank you for that. No greater gift We thank you for that. No greater gift exists anywhere. exists anywhere. exists anywhere. For those that are still on the journey, For those that are still on the journey, For those that are still on the journey, maybe too many doubts, too many maybe too many doubts, too many maybe too many doubts, too many questions, I pray you'll use this questions, I pray you'll use this questions, I pray you'll use this church, church, church, use books, podcasts, whatever. Open use books, podcasts, whatever. Open use books, podcasts, whatever. Open their eyes their eyes their eyes to the truth of who you are. And we pray to the truth of who you are. And we pray to the truth of who you are. And we pray that they will bend their knee someday that they will bend their knee someday that they will bend their knee someday to you.

to you. to you. And Father, for those of us who have And Father, for those of us who have And Father, for those of us who have been your children for a long time, been your children for a long time, been your children for a long time, maybe part of this great church, we maybe part of this great church, we maybe part of this great church, we thank you for the reality of the thank you for the reality of the thank you for the reality of the supernatural, not something we need to supernatural, not something we need to supernatural, not something we need to fear, fear, fear, something we can anticipate with joy. I think of the words of the great I think of the words of the great preacher Charles Spurgeon who said, "The preacher Charles Spurgeon who said, "The preacher Charles Spurgeon who said, "The great joy of heaven is that we shall great joy of heaven is that we shall great joy of heaven is that we shall fall down before him, fall down before him, fall down before him, the one who died for us on Calvary." No, the one who died for us on Calvary." No, the one who died for us on Calvary." No, he said, "Nay, more than that, that he he said, "Nay, more than that, that he he said, "Nay, more than that, that he shall kiss us with the kisses of his shall kiss us with the kisses of his shall kiss us with the kisses of his mouth and welcome us to dwell with him mouth and welcome us to dwell with him mouth and welcome us to dwell with him forever." forever." forever." We look forward to dwelling with you We look forward to dwelling with you We look forward to dwelling with you forever in that place of bliss. forever in that place of bliss. forever in that place of bliss. We thank you for this in the name of We thank you for this in the name of We thank you for this in the name of Jesus Christ. And all God's people said, Jesus Christ. And all God's people said, Jesus Christ. And all God's people said, "Amen." >> Well, what a message from Pastor Lee and >> Well, what a message from Pastor Lee and what incredible stories that he told of what incredible stories that he told of what incredible stories that he told of people having encounters with the people having encounters with the people having encounters with the supernatural and encounters and supernatural and encounters and supernatural and encounters and experiences with Jesus. And I want to experiences with Jesus. And I want to experiences with Jesus. And I want to let you know, I want to invite you if let you know, I want to invite you if let you know, I want to invite you if you made that decision today to you made that decision today to you made that decision today to surrender your life to Jesus, to surrender your life to Jesus, to surrender your life to Jesus, to acknowledge that God is real and to say, acknowledge that God is real and to say, acknowledge that God is real and to say, "God, I accept you as my savior and you "God, I accept you as my savior and you "God, I accept you as my savior and you want to start a journey and relationship want to start a journey and relationship want to start a journey and relationship with Jesus." I want to invite you to let with Jesus." I want to invite you to let with Jesus." I want to invite you to let us know about it so that we can be us know about it so that we can be us know about it so that we can be walking alongside you and so that we can walking alongside you and so that we can walking alongside you and so that we can be praying for you as you start this

be praying for you as you start this be praying for you as you start this journey with Jesus. You can let us know journey with Jesus. You can let us know journey with Jesus. You can let us know by opening the Saddleback app or if by opening the Saddleback app or if by opening the Saddleback app or if you're watching on YouTube, you can you're watching on YouTube, you can you're watching on YouTube, you can click the link in the description. And click the link in the description. And click the link in the description. And also, if you want to read Lee's new also, if you want to read Lee's new also, if you want to read Lee's new book, Seeing the Supernatural, after book, Seeing the Supernatural, after book, Seeing the Supernatural, after hearing this message, you want to learn hearing this message, you want to learn hearing this message, you want to learn more about this super supernatural more about this super supernatural more about this super supernatural world, well, you can scan the QR code world, well, you can scan the QR code world, well, you can scan the QR code that you see on the screen and you'll that you see on the screen and you'll that you see on the screen and you'll have an opportunity to buy it there. have an opportunity to buy it there. have an opportunity to buy it there. Well, we are super glad that you joined Well, we are super glad that you joined Well, we are super glad that you joined us for church today and we hope that you us for church today and we hope that you us for church today and we hope that you join us again next week because we have join us again next week because we have join us again next week because we have special guest Darren Whitehead joining special guest Darren Whitehead joining special guest Darren Whitehead joining us. He is a pastor and an author and us. He is a pastor and an author and us. He is a pastor and an author and just released his third book, The just released his third book, The just released his third book, The Digital Fast. So, we hope to see you Digital Fast. So, we hope to see you Digital Fast. So, we hope to see you again next weekend.