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So, yes, this is going to be about truth So, yes, this is going to be about truth today. We're going to have some truth today. We're going to have some truth today. We're going to have some truth talking up here. talking up here. talking up here. His truth, God's truth is marching on. His truth, God's truth is marching on. His truth, God's truth is marching on. You've already heard that Frank Turek is You've already heard that Frank Turek is You've already heard that Frank Turek is here, and this is Frank. Welcome, Frank here, and this is Frank. Welcome, Frank here, and this is Frank. Welcome, Frank Turek to Prestonwood today. Turek to Prestonwood today. Turek to Prestonwood today. >> [applause] >> You know, he was scheduled back in >> You know, he was scheduled back in February, maybe March, and we got iced February, maybe March, and we got iced February, maybe March, and we got iced out. He did, and and then we nearly got out. He did, and and then we nearly got out. He did, and and then we nearly got rained out today. You bring a storm rained out today. You bring a storm rained out today. You bring a storm everywhere you go. everywhere you go. everywhere you go. >> I do. Yeah. >> I do. Yeah. >> I do. Yeah. >> Frank and >> Frank and >> Frank and so, can't wait to to have another so, can't wait to to have another so, can't wait to to have another conversation with you. The first service conversation with you. The first service conversation with you. The first service was just powerful, emotional, frankly. was just powerful, emotional, frankly. was just powerful, emotional, frankly. Uh very powerful. Uh Uh very powerful. Uh Uh very powerful. Uh Frank is uh ex- He is a Frank is uh ex- He is a Frank is uh ex- He is a apologist, speaker, apologist, speaker, apologist, speaker, uh leads an organization that impacts uh leads an organization that impacts uh leads an organization that impacts students and churches everywhere called students and churches everywhere called students and churches everywhere called CrossExamined. CrossExamined. CrossExamined. Uh and and and joining me up here today Uh and and and joining me up here today Uh and and and joining me up here today is Jeremiah Johnston, Dr. Johnston. is Jeremiah Johnston, Dr. Johnston. is Jeremiah Johnston, Dr. Johnston. We're really proud. We are so blessed to We're really proud. We are so blessed to We're really proud. We are so blessed to have Jeremiah on our pastoral team as have Jeremiah on our pastoral team as have Jeremiah on our pastoral team as apologetics pastor, apologetics pastor, apologetics pastor, spiritual development at Prestonwood spiritual development at Prestonwood spiritual development at Prestonwood Christian Academy. In fact, I think uh Christian Academy. In fact, I think uh Christian Academy. In fact, I think uh worldview at PCA was where you two first worldview at PCA was where you two first worldview at PCA was where you two first met back in 2000 met back in 2000 met back in 2000 >> and 8. Frank was here speaking uh at our >> and 8. Frank was here speaking uh at our >> and 8. Frank was here speaking uh at our school, and uh then Jeremiah and I got school, and uh then Jeremiah and I got school, and uh then Jeremiah and I got to know Jeremiah later. And of course, to know Jeremiah later. And of course, to know Jeremiah later. And of course, he's on our team, and his his his book, he's on our team, and his his his book, he's on our team, and his his his book, The Jesus Discoveries, which is a The Jesus Discoveries, which is a The Jesus Discoveries, which is a massive bestseller, number one New York massive bestseller, number one New York massive bestseller, number one New York Times bestseller. That's huge to do

Times bestseller. That's huge to do Times bestseller. That's huge to do that. And I just got an email uh that. And I just got an email uh that. And I just got an email uh yesterday uh from a publisher telling me yesterday uh from a publisher telling me yesterday uh from a publisher telling me that it's the fastest religious book or that it's the fastest religious book or that it's the fastest religious book or Christian book to sell 100,000 Christian book to sell 100,000 Christian book to sell 100,000 copies in the history of Christian copies in the history of Christian copies in the history of Christian publishing. Fastest to 100,000 sold. publishing. Fastest to 100,000 sold. publishing. Fastest to 100,000 sold. >> God. >> God. >> God. >> Truly amazing. And I want to I want to >> Truly amazing. And I want to I want to >> Truly amazing. And I want to I want to thank my mom for buying 99% of them. thank my mom for buying 99% of them. thank my mom for buying 99% of them. >> Yeah, good to see you mom. Thanks mom. >> Yeah, good to see you mom. Thanks mom. >> Yeah, good to see you mom. Thanks mom. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh but no, a lot of people are buying it but no, a lot of people are buying it but no, a lot of people are buying it and we're really we're we're I mean, and we're really we're we're I mean, and we're really we're we're I mean, this guy is a real treasure for our this guy is a real treasure for our this guy is a real treasure for our church and he's not only here, but out church and he's not only here, but out church and he's not only here, but out there on the road, podcast, doing a lot there on the road, podcast, doing a lot there on the road, podcast, doing a lot of things, talking about what we're of things, talking about what we're of things, talking about what we're going to be talking about today really going to be talking about today really going to be talking about today really with Frank. And uh with Frank. And uh with Frank. And uh so Frank, tell us so Frank, tell us so Frank, tell us you know, it occurred to me earlier when you know, it occurred to me earlier when you know, it occurred to me earlier when we were singing these songs about the we were singing these songs about the we were singing these songs about the country, pledging allegiance, glory country, pledging allegiance, glory country, pledging allegiance, glory glory hallelujah. glory hallelujah. glory hallelujah. Uh that you know, some people you walk Uh that you know, some people you walk Uh that you know, some people you walk in Prestonwood and we're celebrating in Prestonwood and we're celebrating in Prestonwood and we're celebrating America 250 this year and we've been America 250 this year and we've been America 250 this year and we've been doing it since January. In January we doing it since January. In January we doing it since January. In January we talked about prayer and revival in talked about prayer and revival in talked about prayer and revival in America. We're praying 40 days of America. We're praying 40 days of America. We're praying 40 days of prayer. We're in the middle of it right prayer. We're in the middle of it right prayer. We're in the middle of it right now. Every Friday we have a live prayer now. Every Friday we have a live prayer now. Every Friday we have a live prayer meeting. Michael Parent did a great job meeting. Michael Parent did a great job meeting. Michael Parent did a great job leading the pri leading the pri leading the pri the service at noon. Jump on with us the service at noon. Jump on with us the service at noon. Jump on with us this coming Friday. Pray with us every this coming Friday. Pray with us every this coming Friday. Pray with us every day for our country. A lot of things to day for our country. A lot of things to day for our country. A lot of things to pray about. Um but pray about. Um but pray about. Um but you know, we preached on prayer and you know, we preached on prayer and you know, we preached on prayer and revival, then the 10 Commandments for revival, then the 10 Commandments for revival, then the 10 Commandments for the moral foundation of America, then

the moral foundation of America, then the moral foundation of America, then the issues that we face, whether the issues that we face, whether the issues that we face, whether sanctity of life, sacredness of sanctity of life, sacredness of sanctity of life, sacredness of marriage, religious freedom, all those marriage, religious freedom, all those marriage, religious freedom, all those issues that we hit back to back to back issues that we hit back to back to back issues that we hit back to back to back to back in March and April. And now to back in March and April. And now to back in March and April. And now we're talking about the family and the we're talking about the family and the we're talking about the family and the American family and we're headed towards American family and we're headed towards American family and we're headed towards the celebration of the 4th of July. the celebration of the 4th of July. the celebration of the 4th of July. Some people Some people Some people uh uh uh are offended by that. are offended by that. are offended by that. I'm not talking about necessarily anyone I'm not talking about necessarily anyone I'm not talking about necessarily anyone here here here because the criticism has been minimal because the criticism has been minimal because the criticism has been minimal here among us, but some people are here among us, but some people are here among us, but some people are critical when churches critical when churches critical when churches celebrate their country, whether it's celebrate their country, whether it's celebrate their country, whether it's America or another country, but we're America or another country, but we're America or another country, but we're called Christian nationalist. In fact, called Christian nationalist. In fact, called Christian nationalist. In fact, one of our members I was having lunch one of our members I was having lunch one of our members I was having lunch last Sunday said I'm I'm concerned I'm last Sunday said I'm I'm concerned I'm last Sunday said I'm I'm concerned I'm confused. What is a Christian confused. What is a Christian confused. What is a Christian nationalist and why is that a bad thing? nationalist and why is that a bad thing? nationalist and why is that a bad thing? And I I explained it to him the best I And I I explained it to him the best I And I I explained it to him the best I could, but but Frank, how would you could, but but Frank, how would you could, but but Frank, how would you answer you answered lots of questions answer you answered lots of questions answer you answered lots of questions the the objection that some people have the the objection that some people have the the objection that some people have to celebrating our country and uh to celebrating our country and uh to celebrating our country and uh praying praying praying uh that God would bless America?

uh that God would bless America? uh that God would bless America? >> Well, God created nations. In fact, God >> Well, God created nations. In fact, God >> Well, God created nations. In fact, God created three institutions, government, created three institutions, government, created three institutions, government, family, and the church. family, and the church. family, and the church. And so, every Christian should be And so, every Christian should be And so, every Christian should be concerned about the nation in which they concerned about the nation in which they concerned about the nation in which they live. live. live. And you actually said it just a few And you actually said it just a few And you actually said it just a few minutes ago when you were up here that minutes ago when you were up here that minutes ago when you were up here that our ultimate king is Jesus. It's And our our ultimate king is Jesus. It's And our our ultimate king is Jesus. It's And our ultimate allegiance is to Jesus. It's ultimate allegiance is to Jesus. It's ultimate allegiance is to Jesus. It's not to the country, but as long as the not to the country, but as long as the not to the country, but as long as the country is aligned with that, we should country is aligned with that, we should country is aligned with that, we should try and look out for the betterment of try and look out for the betterment of try and look out for the betterment of our country. And I think it's very our country. And I think it's very our country. And I think it's very important that Christians are involved important that Christians are involved important that Christians are involved in one of the three institutions. I in one of the three institutions. I in one of the three institutions. I mean, we shouldn't be 2/3 of a mean, we shouldn't be 2/3 of a mean, we shouldn't be 2/3 of a Christian. We should be involved in all Christian. We should be involved in all Christian. We should be involved in all three institutions. three institutions. three institutions. >> True. >> True. >> True. >> And I often hear people say, even >> And I often hear people say, even >> And I often hear people say, even pastors will say this, you know, I don't pastors will say this, you know, I don't pastors will say this, you know, I don't get involved in politics politics, I get involved in politics politics, I get involved in politics politics, I just preach the gospel. To which I just preach the gospel. To which I just preach the gospel. To which I respond, I guess you don't think the respond, I guess you don't think the respond, I guess you don't think the gospel's very important then. And they gospel's very important then. And they gospel's very important then. And they go, "What do you mean?" I say, "Because go, "What do you mean?" I say, "Because go, "What do you mean?" I say, "Because politics affects your ability to preach politics affects your ability to preach politics affects your ability to preach and live the gospel. If you don't think and live the gospel. If you don't think and live the gospel. If you don't think so, go to some of the countries I've so, go to some of the countries I've so, go to some of the countries I've been to. I've been to Iran. There's no been to. I've been to Iran. There's no been to. I've been to Iran. There's no First Baptist Church of Tehran. I've First Baptist Church of Tehran. I've First Baptist Church of Tehran. I've been to Saudi Arabia. There's no Calvary been to Saudi Arabia. There's no Calvary been to Saudi Arabia. There's no Calvary Chapel of Mecca. I just got back from Chapel of Mecca. I just got back from Chapel of Mecca. I just got back from Egypt not long ago. If you want to start Egypt not long ago. If you want to start Egypt not long ago. If you want to start Prestonwood Baptist Church in Egypt, Prestonwood Baptist Church in Egypt, Prestonwood Baptist Church in Egypt, you're going to have trouble because the you're going to have trouble because the you're going to have trouble because the government's going to resist that. So, government's going to resist that. So, government's going to resist that. So, if for no other reason you ought to be if for no other reason you ought to be if for no other reason you ought to be engaged politically is to protect your engaged politically is to protect your engaged politically is to protect your ability to preach and live the gospel.

ability to preach and live the gospel. ability to preach and live the gospel. Secondly, Secondly, Secondly, >> Mhm. Amen. >> Mhm. Amen. >> Mhm. Amen. >> [applause] >> [applause] >> [applause] >> Secondly, as Christians, we're called to >> Secondly, as Christians, we're called to >> Secondly, as Christians, we're called to love people. How do you do that love people. How do you do that love people. How do you do that politically? You carry out the function politically? You carry out the function politically? You carry out the function of government, which according to Romans of government, which according to Romans of government, which according to Romans 13 is to punish wrongdoers to protect 13 is to punish wrongdoers to protect 13 is to punish wrongdoers to protect innocent people from evil. You need to innocent people from evil. You need to innocent people from evil. You need to put laws in place that will protect put laws in place that will protect put laws in place that will protect citizens from evil, not that will allow citizens from evil, not that will allow citizens from evil, not that will allow evil, and too often our government in evil, and too often our government in evil, and too often our government in recent years has allowed evil rather recent years has allowed evil rather recent years has allowed evil rather than preventing evil. So, if we're going than preventing evil. So, if we're going than preventing evil. So, if we're going to love people, we should put laws in to love people, we should put laws in to love people, we should put laws in place that protect them from the place that protect them from the place that protect them from the abortionist, that protect them from the abortionist, that protect them from the abortionist, that protect them from the child mutilators, that protect them from child mutilators, that protect them from child mutilators, that protect them from sex traffickers, that protect them from sex traffickers, that protect them from sex traffickers, that protect them from murderers and rapists. And if we don't murderers and rapists. And if we don't murderers and rapists. And if we don't do that, we're not loving our neighbor. do that, we're not loving our neighbor. do that, we're not loving our neighbor. If we don't do these kind of things, who If we don't do these kind of things, who If we don't do these kind of things, who else is going to do them? else is going to do them? else is going to do them? >> Mhm. So true. How about that? It's okay. >> Mhm. So true. How about that? It's okay. >> Mhm. So true. How about that? It's okay. Amen. Let's go home. Now, Amen. Let's go home. Now, Amen. Let's go home. Now, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> that was worth being here just to hear >> that was worth being here just to hear >> that was worth being here just to hear that because, you know, we do you can that because, you know, we do you can that because, you know, we do you can get criticism get criticism get criticism in a church like ours that clearly we in a church like ours that clearly we in a church like ours that clearly we are biblically conservative, biblical, are biblically conservative, biblical, are biblically conservative, biblical, Christ-centered worldview church, and we Christ-centered worldview church, and we Christ-centered worldview church, and we speak to the issues. This I wouldn't speak to the issues. This I wouldn't speak to the issues. This I wouldn't call us a political church. I would call call us a political church. I would call call us a political church. I would call us a culturally engaged church.

us a culturally engaged church. us a culturally engaged church. And with the Bible and bib- worldview, And with the Bible and bib- worldview, And with the Bible and bib- worldview, and we we equip our students at and we we equip our students at and we we equip our students at Prestonwood Christian Academy, our Prestonwood Christian Academy, our Prestonwood Christian Academy, our student ministry. We do all of this student ministry. We do all of this student ministry. We do all of this because we want to raise up a new because we want to raise up a new because we want to raise up a new generation of believers first and of of generation of believers first and of of generation of believers first and of of great Americans who love their country. great Americans who love their country. great Americans who love their country. And So, And So, And So, Frank, how did how did you get started Frank, how did how did you get started Frank, how did how did you get started in this? Because were you raised in a in this? Because were you raised in a in this? Because were you raised in a Christian home or family? Were you Christian home or family? Were you Christian home or family? Were you raised to believe in Jesus? raised to believe in Jesus? raised to believe in Jesus? >> Um I was brought up Catholic because I'm >> Um I was brought up Catholic because I'm >> Um I was brought up Catholic because I'm from New Jersey and it's the law. from New Jersey and it's the law. from New Jersey and it's the law. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Like you're either Catholic, skeptic, or >> Like you're either Catholic, skeptic, or >> Like you're either Catholic, skeptic, or Jewish generally if you're from New Jewish generally if you're from New Jewish generally if you're from New Jersey. Um I always believed in God Jersey. Um I always believed in God Jersey. Um I always believed in God because I knew there had to be a first because I knew there had to be a first because I knew there had to be a first cause. But I never knew who Jesus was. I cause. But I never knew who Jesus was. I cause. But I never knew who Jesus was. I went to Catholic high school, the whole went to Catholic high school, the whole went to Catholic high school, the whole deal. It was after I uh left college and deal. It was after I uh left college and deal. It was after I uh left college and went into the Navy, which by the way went into the Navy, which by the way went into the Navy, which by the way stands for never again volunteer stands for never again volunteer stands for never again volunteer yourself. yourself. yourself. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> but thank you for your service. >> but thank you for your service. >> but thank you for your service. >> Well, well, well, thank you. Thank you. >> Well, well, well, thank you. Thank you. >> Well, well, well, thank you. Thank you. But thank you. I went into the Navy. I But thank you. I went into the Navy. I But thank you. I went into the Navy. I met the son of a Methodist minister, and met the son of a Methodist minister, and met the son of a Methodist minister, and I had so many questions for him. He I had so many questions for him. He I had so many questions for him. He finally said, "Look, you just need to finally said, "Look, you just need to finally said, "Look, you just need to get Josh McDowell books, Evidence get Josh McDowell books, Evidence get Josh McDowell books, Evidence Demands a Verdict and More Than a Demands a Verdict and More Than a Demands a Verdict and More Than a Carpenter. These were a books written in Carpenter. These were a books written in Carpenter. These were a books written in the 70s and 80s. And Josh, when he lived the 70s and 80s. And Josh, when he lived the 70s and 80s. And Josh, when he lived here, he used to go to Prestonwood here.

here, he used to go to Prestonwood here. here, he used to go to Prestonwood here. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Uh but anyway, I read those books and I >> Uh but anyway, I read those books and I >> Uh but anyway, I read those books and I realized that Christianity was true. And realized that Christianity was true. And realized that Christianity was true. And when I got out of the Navy in 1992, when I got out of the Navy in 1992, when I got out of the Navy in 1992, right after that, I met Norman Geisler, right after that, I met Norman Geisler, right after that, I met Norman Geisler, who at the time was sort of the Michael who at the time was sort of the Michael who at the time was sort of the Michael Jordan, or maybe I should say the Jalen Jordan, or maybe I should say the Jalen Jordan, or maybe I should say the Jalen Brunson Brunson Brunson >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> of apologetics. >> of apologetics. >> of apologetics. >> to the Knicks. >> to the Knicks. >> to the Knicks. >> Uh yeah. Because >> Uh yeah. Because >> Uh yeah. Because >> Jalen, former Mav, by the way. >> Jalen, former Mav, by the way. >> Jalen, former Mav, by the way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because uh he was so good at >> Because uh he was so good at >> Because uh he was so good at apologetics, at evidence for the faith. apologetics, at evidence for the faith. apologetics, at evidence for the faith. He was starting a seminary in Charlotte, He was starting a seminary in Charlotte, He was starting a seminary in Charlotte, North Carolina. So, my wife and I and North Carolina. So, my wife and I and North Carolina. So, my wife and I and our three sons moved from the DC area to our three sons moved from the DC area to our three sons moved from the DC area to Charlotte in 1993 to attend that Charlotte in 1993 to attend that Charlotte in 1993 to attend that seminary. And then in 2006, seminary. And then in 2006, seminary. And then in 2006, I started a cross examined.org. That's I started a cross examined.org. That's I started a cross examined.org. That's our ministry now. We go to colleges, our ministry now. We go to colleges, our ministry now. We go to colleges, high schools, and churches and present high schools, and churches and present high schools, and churches and present the evidence that Christianity's true. the evidence that Christianity's true. the evidence that Christianity's true. We cross examine ideas against that. And We cross examine ideas against that. And We cross examine ideas against that. And Dr. Geisler and I wrote that book, I Dr. Geisler and I wrote that book, I Dr. Geisler and I wrote that book, I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist back in 2004. And it basically lays out back in 2004. And it basically lays out back in 2004. And it basically lays out the case that Christianity's true. From the case that Christianity's true. From the case that Christianity's true. From does truth exist to does God exist to does truth exist to does God exist to does truth exist to does God exist to are miracles possible? Is the New are miracles possible? Is the New are miracles possible? Is the New Testament telling us the truth? Did Testament telling us the truth? Did Testament telling us the truth? Did Jesus rise from the dead? And is the Jesus rise from the dead? And is the Jesus rise from the dead? And is the Bible the word of God? The answer to all Bible the word of God? The answer to all Bible the word of God? The answer to all those questions is yes, and the evidence those questions is yes, and the evidence those questions is yes, and the evidence is in there.

is in there. is in there. >> And we go through this book. Every >> And we go through this book. Every >> And we go through this book. Every single student that goes through Preston single student that goes through Preston single student that goes through Preston Prestonwood Christian Academy, this is Prestonwood Christian Academy, this is Prestonwood Christian Academy, this is required reading for our students. required reading for our students. required reading for our students. >> And they have to read it to get saved. >> And they have to read it to get saved. >> And they have to read it to get saved. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I don't make the rules. >> I don't make the rules. >> I don't make the rules. >> I don't make the rules. >> I don't make the rules. >> I don't make the rules. >> How how great is that though that >> How how great is that though that >> How how great is that though that [clears throat] we have a school [clears throat] we have a school [clears throat] we have a school that that that requires reading faith I don't have requires reading faith I don't have requires reading faith I don't have enough Don't you love that title? I enough Don't you love that title? I enough Don't you love that title? I don't have enough faith uh to be an don't have enough faith uh to be an don't have enough faith uh to be an atheist. How did you get that title? And atheist. How did you get that title? And atheist. How did you get that title? And and and and and unpack that just a and and and and unpack that just a and and and and unpack that just a little bit more for us. little bit more for us. little bit more for us. >> Years ago, Dr. Geisler and I were doing >> Years ago, Dr. Geisler and I were doing >> Years ago, Dr. Geisler and I were doing a seminar called the 12 points that show a seminar called the 12 points that show a seminar called the 12 points that show Christianity's true. And uh when we were Christianity's true. And uh when we were Christianity's true. And uh when we were doing that, at one point he went he was doing that, at one point he went he was doing that, at one point he went he was going through the evidence that the going through the evidence that the going through the evidence that the universe was so fine-tuned universe was so fine-tuned universe was so fine-tuned that if you were to change any one of a that if you were to change any one of a that if you were to change any one of a number of factors just imperceptibly number of factors just imperceptibly number of factors just imperceptibly about our universe, we wouldn't exist. about our universe, we wouldn't exist. about our universe, we wouldn't exist. This implies there's a designer out This implies there's a designer out This implies there's a designer out there. He went through all this evidence there. He went through all this evidence there. He went through all this evidence and he finally said, "In light of all and he finally said, "In light of all and he finally said, "In light of all this evidence, I just don't have enough this evidence, I just don't have enough this evidence, I just don't have enough faith to be an atheist." And I went, faith to be an atheist." And I went, faith to be an atheist." And I went, "That needs to be the title of the book. "That needs to be the title of the book. "That needs to be the title of the book. We need to turn this into a book." And We need to turn this into a book." And We need to turn this into a book." And originally, the publisher didn't like originally, the publisher didn't like originally, the publisher didn't like the title, the title, the title, but we said, "Sorry, the title stays."

but we said, "Sorry, the title stays." but we said, "Sorry, the title stays." And thankfully, they stayed with it. And And thankfully, they stayed with it. And And thankfully, they stayed with it. And so, so, so, uh now, in in this sense, we say, "I uh now, in in this sense, we say, "I uh now, in in this sense, we say, "I don't have enough faith to be an don't have enough faith to be an don't have enough faith to be an atheist." We're using faith not in the atheist." We're using faith not in the atheist." We're using faith not in the biblical sense. The biblical sense of biblical sense. The biblical sense of biblical sense. The biblical sense of faith is trusting in what you have good faith is trusting in what you have good faith is trusting in what you have good evidence to believe is true. Trusting in evidence to believe is true. Trusting in evidence to believe is true. Trusting in what you have good evidence to believe what you have good evidence to believe what you have good evidence to believe is true. But the atheist view of faith is true. But the atheist view of faith is true. But the atheist view of faith is if you don't have evidence, you have is if you don't have evidence, you have is if you don't have evidence, you have blind faith. You just trust in it blind faith. You just trust in it blind faith. You just trust in it regardless. regardless. regardless. And in that sense, I think atheists have And in that sense, I think atheists have And in that sense, I think atheists have to have a lot more blind faith than we to have a lot more blind faith than we to have a lot more blind faith than we do because they have to ignore all the do because they have to ignore all the do because they have to ignore all the evidence that God exists and Jesus rose evidence that God exists and Jesus rose evidence that God exists and Jesus rose from the dead and the Bible's true. from the dead and the Bible's true. from the dead and the Bible's true. >> Now, Hebrews 11, faith is the substance >> Now, Hebrews 11, faith is the substance >> Now, Hebrews 11, faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of of things hoped for and the evidence of of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. And and so, things not seen. And and so, things not seen. And and so, why is the Christian faith why is there why is the Christian faith why is there why is the Christian faith why is there more evidence for the Christian faith? more evidence for the Christian faith? more evidence for the Christian faith? And what is the evidence primarily of And what is the evidence primarily of And what is the evidence primarily of the Christian faith? the Christian faith? the Christian faith? >> Well, the book goes into a lot of >> Well, the book goes into a lot of >> Well, the book goes into a lot of detail, but let me just give you two detail, but let me just give you two detail, but let me just give you two basic facts you need to show that you basic facts you need to show that you basic facts you need to show that you show that Christianity's true. If these show that Christianity's true. If these show that Christianity's true. If these two facts are true, what C. S. Lewis two facts are true, what C. S. Lewis two facts are true, what C. S. Lewis would call mere Christianity is true, would call mere Christianity is true, would call mere Christianity is true, the basics of Christianity. Number one, the basics of Christianity. Number one, the basics of Christianity. Number one, God exists, and number two, Jesus rose God exists, and number two, Jesus rose God exists, and number two, Jesus rose from the dead. If those two facts are from the dead. If those two facts are from the dead. If those two facts are true, it's easy to show the Bible's the true, it's easy to show the Bible's the true, it's easy to show the Bible's the word of God.

word of God. word of God. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> But those are the two key facts. By the >> But those are the two key facts. By the >> But those are the two key facts. By the way, that's one of the reasons way, that's one of the reasons way, that's one of the reasons Jeremiah's book, which we had up here a Jeremiah's book, which we had up here a Jeremiah's book, which we had up here a minute ago, is doing so well is because minute ago, is doing so well is because minute ago, is doing so well is because the Jesus discoveries the Jesus discoveries the Jesus discoveries are showing people that yeah, Jesus are showing people that yeah, Jesus are showing people that yeah, Jesus really did exist, number one, and number really did exist, number one, and number really did exist, number one, and number two, he really did rise from the dead. two, he really did rise from the dead. two, he really did rise from the dead. And if he rose from the dead, mark it And if he rose from the dead, mark it And if he rose from the dead, mark it down, Christianity's true. You're not down, Christianity's true. You're not down, Christianity's true. You're not wasting your time here this morning. wasting your time here this morning. wasting your time here this morning. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> This is one of the most important things >> This is one of the most important things >> This is one of the most important things you can do. you can do. you can do. >> Absolutely, the most important thing you >> Absolutely, the most important thing you >> Absolutely, the most important thing you can do. And um you know, when you think can do. And um you know, when you think can do. And um you know, when you think about the foundations of America and as about the foundations of America and as about the foundations of America and as we celebrate, we know our country was we celebrate, we know our country was we celebrate, we know our country was built upon built upon built upon a a biblical and I would even say a a biblical and I would even say a a biblical and I would even say Christian worldview and if you read Christian worldview and if you read Christian worldview and if you read history as I'm spending a lot of time in history as I'm spending a lot of time in history as I'm spending a lot of time in the founders right now and just reading the founders right now and just reading the founders right now and just reading some of the documents, things they said. some of the documents, things they said. some of the documents, things they said. Um but Um but Um but the moral foundation of the country the moral foundation of the country the moral foundation of the country based upon the moral foundations found based upon the moral foundations found based upon the moral foundations found in God's word and in chapter seven of in God's word and in chapter seven of in God's word and in chapter seven of this book and it is a great book. He's this book and it is a great book. He's this book and it is a great book. He's signing after the service by the way, if signing after the service by the way, if signing after the service by the way, if you'd like to go pick up this book in you'd like to go pick up this book in you'd like to go pick up this book in our bookstore and meet Frank. But the our bookstore and meet Frank. But the our bookstore and meet Frank. But the title of this chapter is Mother Teresa title of this chapter is Mother Teresa title of this chapter is Mother Teresa versus Hitler.

versus Hitler. versus Hitler. Now that's an unusual title. Mother Now that's an unusual title. Mother Now that's an unusual title. Mother Teresa versus Hitler and the lead Teresa versus Hitler and the lead Teresa versus Hitler and the lead sentence sentence sentence uh describing the chapter is from the uh describing the chapter is from the uh describing the chapter is from the Declaration of Independence. We hold Declaration of Independence. We hold Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men these truths to be self-evident, all men these truths to be self-evident, all men created equal, endowed by the creator created equal, endowed by the creator created equal, endowed by the creator unalienable rights, life, liberty and unalienable rights, life, liberty and unalienable rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. the pursuit of happiness. the pursuit of happiness. And so I'm been I was wondering Frank And so I'm been I was wondering Frank And so I'm been I was wondering Frank and I asked you about this and I asked you about this and I asked you about this last night. I mean, why the title Mother last night. I mean, why the title Mother last night. I mean, why the title Mother Teresa versus Hitler and why are you Teresa versus Hitler and why are you Teresa versus Hitler and why are you tying in the Declaration of Independence tying in the Declaration of Independence tying in the Declaration of Independence to that subject? to that subject? to that subject? >> Because the Declaration of Independence, >> Because the Declaration of Independence, >> Because the Declaration of Independence, our founding document, points out what our founding document, points out what our founding document, points out what the founders wanted to do. They wanted the founders wanted to do. They wanted the founders wanted to do. They wanted to have a government that had religious to have a government that had religious to have a government that had religious freedom, freedom, freedom, but also grounded the rights that people but also grounded the rights that people but also grounded the rights that people have in God. Because you know, if there have in God. Because you know, if there have in God. Because you know, if there is no God, there are no rights. is no God, there are no rights. is no God, there are no rights. Uh we say Mother Teresa's ver- versus Uh we say Mother Teresa's ver- versus Uh we say Mother Teresa's ver- versus Hitler because if there is no God, you Hitler because if there is no God, you Hitler because if there is no God, you can't say Mother Teresa was right and can't say Mother Teresa was right and can't say Mother Teresa was right and Hitler was wrong. It would just be your Hitler was wrong. It would just be your Hitler was wrong. It would just be your opinion.

opinion. opinion. >> True. >> True. >> True. >> There has to be a standard beyond us, a >> There has to be a standard beyond us, a >> There has to be a standard beyond us, a standard of righteousness, goodness, standard of righteousness, goodness, standard of righteousness, goodness, justice, and love that we're all justice, and love that we're all justice, and love that we're all obligated to obey. If that standard obligated to obey. If that standard obligated to obey. If that standard exists, then we do have rights granted exists, then we do have rights granted exists, then we do have rights granted to us by that standard, which happens to to us by that standard, which happens to to us by that standard, which happens to be God's nature. If that standard be God's nature. If that standard be God's nature. If that standard doesn't exist, everything's just a doesn't exist, everything's just a doesn't exist, everything's just a matter of opinion. matter of opinion. matter of opinion. There are no rights unless God exists. There are no rights unless God exists. There are no rights unless God exists. So, what we're saying in this book is So, what we're saying in this book is So, what we're saying in this book is that God has put on our hearts, and Paul that God has put on our hearts, and Paul that God has put on our hearts, and Paul echoes this in Romans chapter 2, the echoes this in Romans chapter 2, the echoes this in Romans chapter 2, the Gentiles and have Gentiles and have Gentiles and have >> the law of the law written on their >> the law of the law written on their >> the law of the law written on their hearts. hearts. hearts. >> This standard is written on our hearts. >> This standard is written on our hearts. >> This standard is written on our hearts. You don't need the Bible to know the You don't need the Bible to know the You don't need the Bible to know the standard. You don't even need to believe standard. You don't even need to believe standard. You don't even need to believe in God to know the standard. But, the in God to know the standard. But, the in God to know the standard. But, the issue is there would be no standard issue is there would be no standard issue is there would be no standard unless God existed. God is the standard unless God existed. God is the standard unless God existed. God is the standard of righteousness. And so, what we're of righteousness. And so, what we're of righteousness. And so, what we're saying is that everybody intuitively saying is that everybody intuitively saying is that everybody intuitively knows right and wrong. They can suppress knows right and wrong. They can suppress knows right and wrong. They can suppress it. They can deny it. But, in their it. They can deny it. But, in their it. They can deny it. But, in their hearts they know it. And that standard hearts they know it. And that standard hearts they know it. And that standard was put there by God. And our nation was put there by God. And our nation was put there by God. And our nation began with that standard.

began with that standard. began with that standard. We hold these truths to be self-evident. We hold these truths to be self-evident. We hold these truths to be self-evident. You ought to celebrate that because this You ought to celebrate that because this You ought to celebrate that because this is unique in the history of the world. is unique in the history of the world. is unique in the history of the world. >> Other Other governments either have a >> Other Other governments either have a >> Other Other governments either have a king, like a monarchy, king, like a monarchy, king, like a monarchy, um or they're secular governments, and um or they're secular governments, and um or they're secular governments, and that doesn't work. The only worldview that doesn't work. The only worldview that doesn't work. The only worldview that will ground human rights and grant that will ground human rights and grant that will ground human rights and grant you the freedom to worship as you want you the freedom to worship as you want you the freedom to worship as you want is the government that we have here at is the government that we have here at is the government that we have here at the United in the United States. And the United in the United States. And the United in the United States. And that's why when we say American that's why when we say American that's why when we say American exceptionalism, we don't necessarily exceptionalism, we don't necessarily exceptionalism, we don't necessarily mean the people are any better, although mean the people are any better, although mean the people are any better, although in many cases they are. Sometimes we're in many cases they are. Sometimes we're in many cases they are. Sometimes we're worse. It means the founding documents worse. It means the founding documents worse. It means the founding documents are exceptional. Our Constitution's are exceptional. Our Constitution's are exceptional. Our Constitution's exceptional. You don't have this exceptional. You don't have this exceptional. You don't have this anywhere [applause] else. anywhere [applause] else. anywhere [applause] else. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> You know, we just did a a tour of the >> You know, we just did a a tour of the >> You know, we just did a a tour of the White House with Speaker Johnson. You White House with Speaker Johnson. You White House with Speaker Johnson. You were invited too. You couldn't make it. were invited too. You couldn't make it. were invited too. You couldn't make it. You were somewhere preaching the gospel You were somewhere preaching the gospel You were somewhere preaching the gospel in Korea or in Korea or in Korea or >> So, I was in Korea. Yeah. >> So, I was in Korea. Yeah. >> So, I was in Korea. Yeah. >> But, anyway, here's what he he pointed >> But, anyway, here's what he he pointed >> But, anyway, here's what he he pointed out. He said, "You know, the average out. He said, "You know, the average out. He said, "You know, the average constitution in the world is 14 years. constitution in the world is 14 years. constitution in the world is 14 years. 14 years, that's how long an average 14 years, that's how long an average 14 years, that's how long an average constitution lasts. Our government our constitution lasts. Our government our constitution lasts. Our government our constitution is the longest in the constitution is the longest in the constitution is the longest in the history of the world.

history of the world. history of the world. 250 year well, it's 230 something 250 year well, it's 230 something 250 year well, it's 230 something because it started in 1787, but the because it started in 1787, but the because it started in 1787, but the declaration 1776. declaration 1776. declaration 1776. This is unique ladies and gentlemen, we This is unique ladies and gentlemen, we This is unique ladies and gentlemen, we can't let it slip away. can't let it slip away. can't let it slip away. >> What are the threats to the republic as >> What are the threats to the republic as >> What are the threats to the republic as you see it right now because we talked you see it right now because we talked you see it right now because we talked in the first service as Michael Yousef in the first service as Michael Yousef in the first service as Michael Yousef was here a couple of weeks ago. What was here a couple of weeks ago. What was here a couple of weeks ago. What about Sharia law and why is our law and about Sharia law and why is our law and about Sharia law and why is our law and land of liberty better than let's say land of liberty better than let's say land of liberty better than let's say Sharia law? Sharia law? Sharia law? >> Well, we wrote a book. It's coming out >> Well, we wrote a book. It's coming out >> Well, we wrote a book. It's coming out in September. It's called the war on in September. It's called the war on in September. It's called the war on reality. reality. reality. Do you know there is a war on reality? Do you know there is a war on reality? Do you know there is a war on reality? In fact, Charlie Kirk my friend was one In fact, Charlie Kirk my friend was one In fact, Charlie Kirk my friend was one of the casualties of the war on reality. of the casualties of the war on reality. of the casualties of the war on reality. Um and one of the things that we were Um and one of the things that we were Um and one of the things that we were talking about two nights before he was talking about two nights before he was talking about two nights before he was murdered was Islam. He was concerned murdered was Islam. He was concerned murdered was Islam. He was concerned about Islam because Islam is about Islam because Islam is about Islam because Islam is incompatible with the United States incompatible with the United States incompatible with the United States Constitution. Constitution. Constitution. Uh and this isn't Islamophobia. There's Uh and this isn't Islamophobia. There's Uh and this isn't Islamophobia. There's no such thing by the way. Islamophobia no such thing by the way. Islamophobia no such thing by the way. Islamophobia is a made-up term. is a made-up term. is a made-up term. Islam is not a race. It's an ideology.

Islam is not a race. It's an ideology. Islam is not a race. It's an ideology. There are Muslims from every racial and There are Muslims from every racial and There are Muslims from every racial and ethnic group. ethnic group. ethnic group. Islam is more of a political ideology Islam is more of a political ideology Islam is more of a political ideology than it is a mere religious ideology. than it is a mere religious ideology. than it is a mere religious ideology. Wherever Islam goes and there's 1400 Wherever Islam goes and there's 1400 Wherever Islam goes and there's 1400 years of history to confirm this, Sharia years of history to confirm this, Sharia years of history to confirm this, Sharia law isn't far behind. What Sharia law? law isn't far behind. What Sharia law? law isn't far behind. What Sharia law? You don't have the rights you have here. You don't have the rights you have here. You don't have the rights you have here. Women are going to be covered up. Women Women are going to be covered up. Women Women are going to be covered up. Women can only have to obey men at in all can only have to obey men at in all can only have to obey men at in all places. Have to be escorted by men places. Have to be escorted by men places. Have to be escorted by men everywhere. Homosexuals executed. everywhere. Homosexuals executed. everywhere. Homosexuals executed. Christians executed. If you turn from Christians executed. If you turn from Christians executed. If you turn from Islam to Christianity, executed. Can't Islam to Christianity, executed. Can't Islam to Christianity, executed. Can't evangelize. Can't live your faith. evangelize. Can't live your faith. evangelize. Can't live your faith. I mean there are I mean there are I mean there are it's it's horrific. it's it's horrific. it's it's horrific. And yet And yet And yet people seem to think that if you speak people seem to think that if you speak people seem to think that if you speak out against that, you're against out against that, you're against out against that, you're against Muslims. I'm not against Muslims. I love Muslims. I'm not against Muslims. I love Muslims. I'm not against Muslims. I love Muslims. I'm against Islam. Muslims. I'm against Islam. Muslims. I'm against Islam. I don't want that ideology for anybody. I don't want that ideology for anybody. I don't want that ideology for anybody. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> That ideology takes away freedoms, takes >> That ideology takes away freedoms, takes >> That ideology takes away freedoms, takes away your ability to preach and live the away your ability to preach and live the away your ability to preach and live the gospel, takes away your ability to bring gospel, takes away your ability to bring gospel, takes away your ability to bring up your children the way you want to up your children the way you want to up your children the way you want to bring It takes away freedoms bring It takes away freedoms bring It takes away freedoms that our country has enshrined in a that our country has enshrined in a that our country has enshrined in a constitution.

constitution. constitution. So, So, So, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> we have to be >> we have to be >> we have to be We have to love Muslims by telling them We have to love Muslims by telling them We have to love Muslims by telling them the truth. the truth. the truth. >> Mhm. Right. >> Mhm. Right. >> Mhm. Right. >> truth is is that Islam is not First of >> truth is is that Islam is not First of >> truth is is that Islam is not First of all, it's not true. Secondly, it's all, it's not true. Secondly, it's all, it's not true. Secondly, it's repressive. In fact, Islam, the term repressive. In fact, Islam, the term repressive. In fact, Islam, the term means submission. means submission. means submission. >> Mhm. That's true. Well, you speak at all >> Mhm. That's true. Well, you speak at all >> Mhm. That's true. Well, you speak at all these campuses and been doing that even these campuses and been doing that even these campuses and been doing that even before your friendship mentorship with before your friendship mentorship with before your friendship mentorship with Charlie Kirk. Uh we're going to get to Charlie Kirk. Uh we're going to get to Charlie Kirk. Uh we're going to get to Charlie in just a moment, but you speak Charlie in just a moment, but you speak Charlie in just a moment, but you speak to a lot of college students, university to a lot of college students, university to a lot of college students, university students. students. students. These issues come up. These issues come up. These issues come up. Uh all the questions that young people Uh all the questions that young people Uh all the questions that young people have. What are you seeing? We got We got have. What are you seeing? We got We got have. What are you seeing? We got We got parents and grandparents in this room parents and grandparents in this room parents and grandparents in this room and a lot of people watching online. So, and a lot of people watching online. So, and a lot of people watching online. So, for someone on the front lines of uh of for someone on the front lines of uh of for someone on the front lines of uh of mission and ministry to young adults, mission and ministry to young adults, mission and ministry to young adults, what are you seeing out there? what are you seeing out there? what are you seeing out there? Well, leading up to Charlie's murder, I Well, leading up to Charlie's murder, I Well, leading up to Charlie's murder, I saw more people interested in saw more people interested in saw more people interested in Christianity. Following Char- Charlie's Christianity. Following Char- Charlie's Christianity. Following Char- Charlie's murder, perhaps more. In fact, there's murder, perhaps more. In fact, there's murder, perhaps more. In fact, there's an article today out about how in the an article today out about how in the an article today out about how in the month of Charlie's murder, Bible sales month of Charlie's murder, Bible sales month of Charlie's murder, Bible sales went up 36%.

went up 36%. went up 36%. Uh 42% now of men, young men, are saying Uh 42% now of men, young men, are saying Uh 42% now of men, young men, are saying that religion is very important to them. that religion is very important to them. that religion is very important to them. Uh that's up 14 points from just 2 years Uh that's up 14 points from just 2 years Uh that's up 14 points from just 2 years ago. ago. ago. Uh so, things appear to be moving in the Uh so, things appear to be moving in the Uh so, things appear to be moving in the right direction. On our own college right direction. On our own college right direction. On our own college campus events, I've noticed there are campus events, I've noticed there are campus events, I've noticed there are more questions about how do I get my more questions about how do I get my more questions about how do I get my friend to become a Christian rather than friend to become a Christian rather than friend to become a Christian rather than skeptical questions. skeptical questions. skeptical questions. >> Skeptical. >> Skeptical. >> Skeptical. >> So, it's not just anecdotal. I think >> So, it's not just anecdotal. I think >> So, it's not just anecdotal. I think it's moving in the right direction, it's moving in the right direction, it's moving in the right direction, Pastor Jack. And uh Pastor Jack. And uh Pastor Jack. And uh I think that we have to go to college I think that we have to go to college I think that we have to go to college campuses. One of the reasons we go is campuses. One of the reasons we go is campuses. One of the reasons we go is because it's generally the most because it's generally the most because it's generally the most anti-Christian real estate in America. anti-Christian real estate in America. anti-Christian real estate in America. And too many people are given And too many people are given And too many people are given I would I would say misinformation I would I would say misinformation I would I would say misinformation rather than good information on a rather than good information on a rather than good information on a college campus. And so we go there to college campus. And so we go there to college campus. And so we go there to throw a lifeline to the Christians and throw a lifeline to the Christians and throw a lifeline to the Christians and to put a stone in the shoe of the to put a stone in the shoe of the to put a stone in the shoe of the skeptics. And here's one thing I think skeptics. And here's one thing I think skeptics. And here's one thing I think that you can use if you go look, I'm not that you can use if you go look, I'm not that you can use if you go look, I'm not an expert in any of this stuff. I don't an expert in any of this stuff. I don't an expert in any of this stuff. I don't have all the evidence in my mind. I get have all the evidence in my mind. I get have all the evidence in my mind. I get that. None of us are have all the that. None of us are have all the that. None of us are have all the answers. But I think if you want to help answers. But I think if you want to help answers. But I think if you want to help somebody you want to move somebody somebody you want to move somebody somebody you want to move somebody closer to Jesus, you really just need closer to Jesus, you really just need closer to Jesus, you really just need one question.

one question. one question. And if you use this question, I think And if you use this question, I think And if you use this question, I think it'll help you get right to the bottom it'll help you get right to the bottom it'll help you get right to the bottom line of what is causing the person to line of what is causing the person to line of what is causing the person to stay away from Christianity. It's a stay away from Christianity. It's a stay away from Christianity. It's a question I use on all college campuses. question I use on all college campuses. question I use on all college campuses. When someone gets up to the microphone, When someone gets up to the microphone, When someone gets up to the microphone, if they're not a Christian, I will ask if they're not a Christian, I will ask if they're not a Christian, I will ask this question. The question is, this question. The question is, this question. The question is, "If Christianity were true, would you "If Christianity were true, would you "If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?" become a Christian?" become a Christian?" I've had atheists and other I've had atheists and other I've had atheists and other non-believers stand at that microphone non-believers stand at that microphone non-believers stand at that microphone in front of hundreds of people. I asked in front of hundreds of people. I asked in front of hundreds of people. I asked that question and they say, "No." that question and they say, "No." that question and they say, "No." No. No. No. Wait, I thought you claimed to be Wait, I thought you claimed to be Wait, I thought you claimed to be reasonable. I thought you claimed to be reasonable. I thought you claimed to be reasonable. I thought you claimed to be rational. How is it that you wouldn't rational. How is it that you wouldn't rational. How is it that you wouldn't believe something that turned out to be believe something that turned out to be believe something that turned out to be true? true? true? Because it's not a matter of the head, Because it's not a matter of the head, Because it's not a matter of the head, it's a matter of the heart. They're not it's a matter of the heart. They're not it's a matter of the heart. They're not on a truth quest, they're on a happiness on a truth quest, they're on a happiness on a truth quest, they're on a happiness quest. And they're just going to believe quest. And they're just going to believe quest. And they're just going to believe whatever they think's going to make them whatever they think's going to make them whatever they think's going to make them happy. Here's the problem. You can make happy. Here's the problem. You can make happy. Here's the problem. You can make yourself happy over the short term doing yourself happy over the short term doing yourself happy over the short term doing a lot of fun, but ultimately selfish and a lot of fun, but ultimately selfish and a lot of fun, but ultimately selfish and sinful things, but over the long term sinful things, but over the long term sinful things, but over the long term it's a disaster. And everybody in this it's a disaster. And everybody in this it's a disaster. And everybody in this room over 40 years old knows what I'm room over 40 years old knows what I'm room over 40 years old knows what I'm talking about cuz many of us have tried talking about cuz many of us have tried talking about cuz many of us have tried it ourselves, right? I'm going to live it ourselves, right? I'm going to live it ourselves, right? I'm going to live life my way. I'm going to do things what life my way. I'm going to do things what life my way. I'm going to do things what I what I'm going to do what I want to I what I'm going to do what I want to I what I'm going to do what I want to do, when I want to do it, with whom I do, when I want to do it, with whom I do, when I want to do it, with whom I want to do it. No, no, no, you're not.

want to do it. No, no, no, you're not. want to do it. No, no, no, you're not. Not not very long anyway. Not not very long anyway. Not not very long anyway. If you become a complete me monster, If you become a complete me monster, If you become a complete me monster, what's going to happen to your what's going to happen to your what's going to happen to your relationships? relationships? relationships? What's going to happen to you? I can What's going to happen to you? I can What's going to happen to you? I can tell you what's going to happen to you. tell you what's going to happen to you. tell you what's going to happen to you. I'm not a prophet, but I can tell you I'm not a prophet, but I can tell you I'm not a prophet, but I can tell you what's going to happen to you. You're what's going to happen to you. You're what's going to happen to you. You're going to wind up divorced, addicted, going to wind up divorced, addicted, going to wind up divorced, addicted, broken, alone, and probably prematurely broken, alone, and probably prematurely broken, alone, and probably prematurely dead. dead. dead. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> If you want contentment, you got to go >> If you want contentment, you got to go >> If you want contentment, you got to go straight through truth, and Jesus is the straight through truth, and Jesus is the straight through truth, and Jesus is the truth. So, ask people, truth. So, ask people, truth. So, ask people, "If "If "If Mhm. If Christianity were true, Mhm. If Christianity were true, Mhm. If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian? Or if you would you become a Christian? Or if you would you become a Christian? Or if you want to take Christianity out of it want to take Christianity out of it want to take Christianity out of it because there's a negative connotation, because there's a negative connotation, because there's a negative connotation, simply ask this, 'If Jesus really simply ask this, 'If Jesus really simply ask this, 'If Jesus really predicted and accomplished his own predicted and accomplished his own predicted and accomplished his own resurrection from the dead to prove he resurrection from the dead to prove he resurrection from the dead to prove he was God, would you follow him?'" was God, would you follow him?'" was God, would you follow him?'" If the person hesitates or says no, it's If the person hesitates or says no, it's If the person hesitates or says no, it's not a head problem, it's a heart not a head problem, it's a heart not a head problem, it's a heart problem. problem. problem. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In that case, you want to pray, you want >> In that case, you want to pray, you want >> In that case, you want to pray, you want to love them, you want to plant seeds, to love them, you want to plant seeds, to love them, you want to plant seeds, you want to be in their life, you want to be in their life, you want to be in their life, but you can you can wipe away all the but you can you can wipe away all the but you can you can wipe away all the smoke screens that people have. In fact, smoke screens that people have. In fact, smoke screens that people have. In fact, can we do an informal survey? Just very can we do an informal survey? Just very can we do an informal survey? Just very brief informal survey here.

brief informal survey here. brief informal survey here. >> Absolutely. Go. >> Absolutely. Go. >> Absolutely. Go. >> I want everybody right now to think of >> I want everybody right now to think of >> I want everybody right now to think of somebody that you know somebody that you know somebody that you know who's not a Christian whom you'd like to who's not a Christian whom you'd like to who's not a Christian whom you'd like to be a Christian. be a Christian. be a Christian. Everybody got somebody? Everybody got somebody? Everybody got somebody? All right, don't point at them. All right, don't point at them. All right, don't point at them. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> ALL RIGHT, here's my question. >> ALL RIGHT, here's my question. >> ALL RIGHT, here's my question. Is the person you're thinking of right Is the person you're thinking of right Is the person you're thinking of right now now now on a relentless pursuit of truth? They on a relentless pursuit of truth? They on a relentless pursuit of truth? They want to know if Christianity's true. Or want to know if Christianity's true. Or want to know if Christianity's true. Or are they apathetic or maybe even hostile are they apathetic or maybe even hostile are they apathetic or maybe even hostile to Christianity? How many people say the to Christianity? How many people say the to Christianity? How many people say the person I'm thinking of right now is on a person I'm thinking of right now is on a person I'm thinking of right now is on a relentless pursuit of truth? They want relentless pursuit of truth? They want relentless pursuit of truth? They want to know if Christianity's true. Raise to know if Christianity's true. Raise to know if Christianity's true. Raise your hand really high, please. Crickets. Crickets. Maybe Oh, I saw one a half hand in the Maybe Oh, I saw one a half hand in the Maybe Oh, I saw one a half hand in the back right there. How many people say back right there. How many people say back right there. How many people say the person I'm thinking of is apathetic the person I'm thinking of is apathetic the person I'm thinking of is apathetic or hostile? or hostile? or hostile? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, look around the room, ladies and >> Yeah, look around the room, ladies and >> Yeah, look around the room, ladies and gentlemen. gentlemen. gentlemen. The problem is most people are looking The problem is most people are looking The problem is most people are looking for Jesus like a criminal is looking for for Jesus like a criminal is looking for for Jesus like a criminal is looking for a cop. a cop. a cop. Mhm. [laughter] Mhm. [laughter] Mhm. [laughter] So you want to ask that question and So you want to ask that question and So you want to ask that question and then see what they say. If they say yes, then see what they say. If they say yes, then see what they say. If they say yes, then say, "Great. Why don't we study it then say, "Great. Why don't we study it then say, "Great. Why don't we study it together? We can go through I don't have together? We can go through I don't have together? We can go through I don't have enough faith to be an atheist or the enough faith to be an atheist or the enough faith to be an atheist or the Jesus discoveries or mere Christianity."

Jesus discoveries or mere Christianity." Jesus discoveries or mere Christianity." I mean call them on it. I mean call them on it. I mean call them on it. >> Or read your Bible. >> Or read your Bible. >> Or read your Bible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> No, I mean if they're looking for the >> No, I mean if they're looking for the >> No, I mean if they're looking for the evidence, yeah. YEAH. OR YES, OF COURSE. evidence, yeah. YEAH. OR YES, OF COURSE. evidence, yeah. YEAH. OR YES, OF COURSE. >> YEAH. YEAH. NO, >> YEAH. YEAH. NO, >> YEAH. YEAH. NO, the Jesus spoke of an evil heart of the Jesus spoke of an evil heart of the Jesus spoke of an evil heart of unbelief. So the problem with unbelief unbelief. So the problem with unbelief unbelief. So the problem with unbelief is is the heart not typically the head. is is the heart not typically the head. is is the heart not typically the head. There I always say there are sincere There I always say there are sincere There I always say there are sincere doubters and there are insincere doubters and there are insincere doubters and there are insincere doubters. And a sincere doubter is doubters. And a sincere doubter is doubters. And a sincere doubter is someone who doesn't know but wants to someone who doesn't know but wants to someone who doesn't know but wants to know. know. know. And an insincere doubter is someone who And an insincere doubter is someone who And an insincere doubter is someone who doesn't know and doesn't want to know doesn't know and doesn't want to know doesn't know and doesn't want to know and doesn't care. Okay, Jeremiah, you're and doesn't care. Okay, Jeremiah, you're and doesn't care. Okay, Jeremiah, you're next. next. next. >> Yeah, absolutely. And one of the great >> Yeah, absolutely. And one of the great >> Yeah, absolutely. And one of the great things about being part of Press This things about being part of Press This things about being part of Press This Month as you are online as well as Month as you are online as well as Month as you are online as well as Pascal said something so powerful before Pascal said something so powerful before Pascal said something so powerful before he died at the age of 39. He said that he died at the age of 39. He said that he died at the age of 39. He said that our job as Christians, not just the our job as Christians, not just the our job as Christians, not just the Delta Force Christians like Frank Turek, Delta Force Christians like Frank Turek, Delta Force Christians like Frank Turek, but every believer we have to present but every believer we have to present but every believer we have to present the truth so that people want it to be the truth so that people want it to be the truth so that people want it to be true and then show them that it is. And true and then show them that it is. And true and then show them that it is. And so how effective are you at articulating so how effective are you at articulating so how effective are you at articulating the truth where if you're on an airplane the truth where if you're on an airplane the truth where if you're on an airplane or if you're at TSA like I was this or if you're at TSA like I was this or if you're at TSA like I was this week, you're presenting the truth where week, you're presenting the truth where week, you're presenting the truth where man, lost people they want it to be true man, lost people they want it to be true man, lost people they want it to be true and then you show them that it is. Frank and then you show them that it is. Frank and then you show them that it is. Frank did that in a man's life named Charlie did that in a man's life named Charlie did that in a man's life named Charlie Kirk. And by the way, I get chills just Kirk. And by the way, I get chills just Kirk. And by the way, I get chills just being up here with you Frank because I being up here with you Frank because I being up here with you Frank because I remember Anybody remember compact discs, remember Anybody remember compact discs, remember Anybody remember compact discs, CDs? Anyone out there? I'm dating CDs? Anyone out there? I'm dating CDs? Anyone out there? I'm dating myself. I remember listening to Frank's myself. I remember listening to Frank's myself. I remember listening to Frank's 12-part teaching that essentially 12-part teaching that essentially 12-part teaching that essentially probably became this book and I remember probably became this book and I remember probably became this book and I remember listening to it thinking and you were listening to it thinking and you were listening to it thinking and you were giving me those immediate next steps

giving me those immediate next steps giving me those immediate next steps like our people need to share the like our people need to share the like our people need to share the argument from design, the creation. And argument from design, the creation. And argument from design, the creation. And you've got a great book that we also you've got a great book that we also you've got a great book that we also have Stealing from God that I would have Stealing from God that I would have Stealing from God that I would definitely encourage you to look at. So, definitely encourage you to look at. So, definitely encourage you to look at. So, you've inspired me, Frank, and you've you've inspired me, Frank, and you've you've inspired me, Frank, and you've inspired so many, but you also inspired inspired so many, but you also inspired inspired so many, but you also inspired Charlie Kirk, who you've referred to as Charlie Kirk, who you've referred to as Charlie Kirk, who you've referred to as your fourth son. Take us back. When did your fourth son. Take us back. When did your fourth son. Take us back. When did you meet him? Take us into those that you meet him? Take us into those that you meet him? Take us into those that relationship if you would be so relationship if you would be so relationship if you would be so transparent to share that with us. transparent to share that with us. transparent to share that with us. >> Yeah, back in 2020, uh Charlie emailed >> Yeah, back in 2020, uh Charlie emailed >> Yeah, back in 2020, uh Charlie emailed our ministry and said, "I've been our ministry and said, "I've been our ministry and said, "I've been watching Frank and his videos and watching Frank and his videos and watching Frank and his videos and they've really helped me, and I just they've really helped me, and I just they've really helped me, and I just want to get I want to get to know him want to get I want to get to know him want to get I want to get to know him more, and maybe he can help me." more, and maybe he can help me." more, and maybe he can help me." Uh so, he asked me to be a mentor. Now, Uh so, he asked me to be a mentor. Now, Uh so, he asked me to be a mentor. Now, it can be difficult to mentor someone it can be difficult to mentor someone it can be difficult to mentor someone smarter than you. smarter than you. smarter than you. Uh Uh Uh but not with Charlie Kirk because the but not with Charlie Kirk because the but not with Charlie Kirk because the only attribute that exceeded his only attribute that exceeded his only attribute that exceeded his intellect was his humility. The few intellect was his humility. The few intellect was his humility. The few things that I knew that he didn't know, things that I knew that he didn't know, things that I knew that he didn't know, he wanted to know, which is wise. As the he wanted to know, which is wise. As the he wanted to know, which is wise. As the Proverbs say, you should listen. You Proverbs say, you should listen. You Proverbs say, you should listen. You should try and get advisers from many. should try and get advisers from many. should try and get advisers from many. And so, he did. I wasn't his only And so, he did. I wasn't his only And so, he did. I wasn't his only mentor, but mentor, but mentor, but in the last year, especially, we spent a in the last year, especially, we spent a in the last year, especially, we spent a lot of time together, uh particularly lot of time together, uh particularly lot of time together, uh particularly last summer because he knew this college last summer because he knew this college last summer because he knew this college tour was coming up, and he wanted to get tour was coming up, and he wanted to get tour was coming up, and he wanted to get really ready for it. And so, we met on really ready for it. And so, we met on really ready for it. And so, we met on four occasions in Phoenix over the last four occasions in Phoenix over the last four occasions in Phoenix over the last summer Mhm. To uh try and summer Mhm. To uh try and summer Mhm. To uh try and uh sharpen our answers to questions we uh sharpen our answers to questions we uh sharpen our answers to questions we get on a college campus.

get on a college campus. get on a college campus. Uh and uh so, Uh and uh so, Uh and uh so, a couple of nights before he was a couple of nights before he was a couple of nights before he was murdered, sometimes we would go on these murdered, sometimes we would go on these murdered, sometimes we would go on these long walks at night after he and Erica long walks at night after he and Erica long walks at night after he and Erica put the kids down. We'd always have a put the kids down. We'd always have a put the kids down. We'd always have a 300-lb armed bodyguard with us, but we'd 300-lb armed bodyguard with us, but we'd 300-lb armed bodyguard with us, but we'd walk through the streets of Scottsdale, walk through the streets of Scottsdale, walk through the streets of Scottsdale, and and and two nights before he was murdered, I two nights before he was murdered, I two nights before he was murdered, I said, "Charlie, let's talk about said, "Charlie, let's talk about said, "Charlie, let's talk about whatever you want to talk about." And whatever you want to talk about." And whatever you want to talk about." And the three things he wanted to talk the three things he wanted to talk the three things he wanted to talk about, the first thing he wanted to talk about, the first thing he wanted to talk about, the first thing he wanted to talk about was the government and Islam, about was the government and Islam, about was the government and Islam, which we already mentioned. which we already mentioned. which we already mentioned. And then secondly, he wanted to talk And then secondly, he wanted to talk And then secondly, he wanted to talk about the evidence for Christianity, about the evidence for Christianity, about the evidence for Christianity, particularly the resurrection. And those particularly the resurrection. And those particularly the resurrection. And those two facts, does God exist? Did Jesus two facts, does God exist? Did Jesus two facts, does God exist? Did Jesus rise from the dead? How can we better rise from the dead? How can we better rise from the dead? How can we better able to present evidence to people on a able to present evidence to people on a able to present evidence to people on a college campus about that? And then the college campus about that? And then the college campus about that? And then the third third third topic he really wanted to talk about was topic he really wanted to talk about was topic he really wanted to talk about was marriage and the family because his marriage and the family because his marriage and the family because his generation was not really keen on generation was not really keen on generation was not really keen on marriage or having kids. I mean, he was marriage or having kids. I mean, he was marriage or having kids. I mean, he was 31 at the time. How could he get 31 at the time. How could he get 31 at the time. How could he get particularly women cuz the men of his particularly women cuz the men of his particularly women cuz the men of his generation wanted to get married and the generation wanted to get married and the generation wanted to get married and the women didn't. How could he try and get women didn't. How could he try and get women didn't. How could he try and get women to be more interested in marriage?

women to be more interested in marriage? women to be more interested in marriage? Now, we actually didn't come up with a Now, we actually didn't come up with a Now, we actually didn't come up with a plan that night, but God may have plan that night, but God may have plan that night, but God may have revealed a plan through the tragedy revealed a plan through the tragedy revealed a plan through the tragedy because I think Erica, despite being because I think Erica, despite being because I think Erica, despite being just vilified just vilified just vilified by a lot of evil intent, is a very by a lot of evil intent, is a very by a lot of evil intent, is a very strong woman who can be a model to women strong woman who can be a model to women strong woman who can be a model to women around the country around the country around the country to take care of the family. I need to to take care of the family. I need to to take care of the family. I need to say something about what's going on with say something about what's going on with say something about what's going on with Erica if if I may. Erica if if I may. Erica if if I may. >> Do you notice that >> Do you notice that >> Do you notice that Jesus and the apostles call Satan a Jesus and the apostles call Satan a Jesus and the apostles call Satan a murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer murderer, liar, accuser, and slanderer who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. who seeks to steal, kill, and destroy. Okay, on 9/10 we had a murder. And then Okay, on 9/10 we had a murder. And then Okay, on 9/10 we had a murder. And then after the memorial service, what did we after the memorial service, what did we after the memorial service, what did we have? What have we had since? Lies, have? What have we had since? Lies, have? What have we had since? Lies, accusations, and slander seeking to accusations, and slander seeking to accusations, and slander seeking to steal, kill, and destroy. And people steal, kill, and destroy. And people steal, kill, and destroy. And people don't believe in the demonic. Could it don't believe in the demonic. Could it don't believe in the demonic. Could it be more obvious? be more obvious? be more obvious? And by the way, if you're out there and And by the way, if you're out there and And by the way, if you're out there and you are considering you are considering you are considering the absolute bilge that Candace Owens is the absolute bilge that Candace Owens is the absolute bilge that Candace Owens is putting out, shame on you.

putting out, shame on you. putting out, shame on you. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It's demonic. >> Say it. >> Say it. >> You know what You know what If you look >> You know what You know what If you look >> You know what You know what If you look at the Old Testament, at the Old Testament, at the Old Testament, the Old Testament says Exodus 22:22, the Old Testament says Exodus 22:22, the Old Testament says Exodus 22:22, "If you disparage a widow "If you disparage a widow "If you disparage a widow or hurt or the fatherless, and those or hurt or the fatherless, and those or hurt or the fatherless, and those people pray to me," God says, "I will people pray to me," God says, "I will people pray to me," God says, "I will hunt down the perpetrator with a sword hunt down the perpetrator with a sword hunt down the perpetrator with a sword and kill them. and kill them. and kill them. Deuteronomy 19 says, if you falsely Deuteronomy 19 says, if you falsely Deuteronomy 19 says, if you falsely accuse someone of a crime and then accuse someone of a crime and then accuse someone of a crime and then you're found out to be falsely accusing you're found out to be falsely accusing you're found out to be falsely accusing somebody, you get the penalty of that somebody, you get the penalty of that somebody, you get the penalty of that crime. So, if you crime. So, if you crime. So, if you if you accuse someone of murder falsely, if you accuse someone of murder falsely, if you accuse someone of murder falsely, you're the one executed. If we had that you're the one executed. If we had that you're the one executed. If we had that law in the United States, it would shut law in the United States, it would shut law in the United States, it would shut down the internet right now. down the internet right now. down the internet right now. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Because look, ladies and gentlemen, >> Because look, ladies and gentlemen, >> Because look, ladies and gentlemen, anything is possible, but not anything anything is possible, but not anything anything is possible, but not anything is reasonable. You need two witnesses. is reasonable. You need two witnesses. is reasonable. You need two witnesses. You need evidence to show that somebody You need evidence to show that somebody You need evidence to show that somebody is complicit in a murder. I've seen no is complicit in a murder. I've seen no is complicit in a murder. I've seen no evidence. All I've seen is slander.

evidence. All I've seen is slander. evidence. All I've seen is slander. And now people are getting death And now people are getting death And now people are getting death threats. She couldn't even come here threats. She couldn't even come here threats. She couldn't even come here because of what was going on because of what was going on because of what was going on with these vile death threats. with these vile death threats. with these vile death threats. People need to wake up. This is demonic People need to wake up. This is demonic People need to wake up. This is demonic activity. activity. activity. You need to support Erica as she tries You need to support Erica as she tries You need to support Erica as she tries to pick up the pieces of her life to pick up the pieces of her life to pick up the pieces of her life who were taken from her who were taken from her who were taken from her by what appears to be by what appears to be by what appears to be someone who is involved in a trans someone who is involved in a trans someone who is involved in a trans relationship relationship relationship and thought that Charlie Kirk was a and thought that Charlie Kirk was a and thought that Charlie Kirk was a fascist. Newsflash, ladies and fascist. Newsflash, ladies and fascist. Newsflash, ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen, the murderer was a fascist. the murderer was a fascist. the murderer was a fascist. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Because a fascist is not someone that >> Because a fascist is not someone that >> Because a fascist is not someone that invites you to the head of the line invites you to the head of the line invites you to the head of the line so you can present your case while he so you can present your case while he so you can present your case while he quietly listens. quietly listens. quietly listens. What fascists do is they murder people What fascists do is they murder people What fascists do is they murder people that don't agree with them. that don't agree with them. that don't agree with them. >> And that's what's been going on. >> And that's what's been going on. >> And that's what's been going on. So, those three things, just to wrap So, those three things, just to wrap So, those three things, just to wrap this up, those three issues that Charlie this up, those three issues that Charlie this up, those three issues that Charlie wanted to talk about that night, wanted to talk about that night, wanted to talk about that night, notice those three issues in retrospect notice those three issues in retrospect notice those three issues in retrospect are the three institutions God created, are the three institutions God created, are the three institutions God created, government, government, government, the church, and the family.

the church, and the family. the church, and the family. Charlie was a big strategic thinker. He Charlie was a big strategic thinker. He Charlie was a big strategic thinker. He wasn't talking about little ideas, he wasn't talking about little ideas, he wasn't talking about little ideas, he was talking about big ideas. was talking about big ideas. was talking about big ideas. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> And Frank, you were 30 what 30 and I >> And Frank, you were 30 what 30 and I >> And Frank, you were 30 what 30 and I want to say we have people watching want to say we have people watching want to say we have people watching online, we have kids in the room and online, we have kids in the room and online, we have kids in the room and families. So, just even as you answer families. So, just even as you answer families. So, just even as you answer this, I know this is tough. this, I know this is tough. this, I know this is tough. But, But, But, it was so powerful to hear it and I it was so powerful to hear it and I it was so powerful to hear it and I think we need to hear it. think we need to hear it. think we need to hear it. You were about 30 ft away at Utah Valley You were about 30 ft away at Utah Valley You were about 30 ft away at Utah Valley University. You rode in the SUV with our University. You rode in the SUV with our University. You rode in the SUV with our brother Charlie to the hospital. brother Charlie to the hospital. brother Charlie to the hospital. As much as you're able to and feel As much as you're able to and feel As much as you're able to and feel comfortable to, I know this is hard cuz comfortable to, I know this is hard cuz comfortable to, I know this is hard cuz this was an impact event. But, you know this was an impact event. But, you know this was an impact event. But, you know what? There's a lot of people listening what? There's a lot of people listening what? There's a lot of people listening to you right now. They've had impact to you right now. They've had impact to you right now. They've had impact events in their life and they need to events in their life and they need to events in their life and they need to hear what you're about to tell us. Take hear what you're about to tell us. Take hear what you're about to tell us. Take us to that day. us to that day. us to that day. >> Yeah, the reason I was there is cuz >> Yeah, the reason I was there is cuz >> Yeah, the reason I was there is cuz Charlie and I were working for the Charlie and I were working for the Charlie and I were working for the previous 3 days after parenthetically, previous 3 days after parenthetically, previous 3 days after parenthetically, he had just come back from Korea. I know he had just come back from Korea. I know he had just come back from Korea. I know you had just went to Korea to speak you had just went to Korea to speak you had just went to Korea to speak there. He had just come back from Korea there. He had just come back from Korea there. He had just come back from Korea in September. in September. in September. And so, we met in Phoenix. He came from And so, we met in Phoenix. He came from And so, we met in Phoenix. He came from Korea, I came from Charlotte. Korea, I came from Charlotte. Korea, I came from Charlotte. And we were And we were And we were preparing for the first event.

preparing for the first event. preparing for the first event. Utah Valley University. Utah Valley University. Utah Valley University. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And he said, "Why don't you just come >> And he said, "Why don't you just come >> And he said, "Why don't you just come with me to the first event?" with me to the first event?" with me to the first event?" And so, I did. We were scheduled to go And so, I did. We were scheduled to go And so, I did. We were scheduled to go to UC Berkeley together. to UC Berkeley together. to UC Berkeley together. Actually, Actually, Actually, in in in in November. in November. in November. >> Yeah. And we did. Charlie remained in >> Yeah. And we did. Charlie remained in >> Yeah. And we did. Charlie remained in glory, but Rob Schneider and I went, the glory, but Rob Schneider and I went, the glory, but Rob Schneider and I went, the comedian. comedian. comedian. >> And he loves the shroud, by the way. >> And he loves the shroud, by the way. >> And he loves the shroud, by the way. >> Yes, he does. So, in any event, so I was >> Yes, he does. So, in any event, so I was >> Yes, he does. So, in any event, so I was there with him. We we came in together there with him. We we came in together there with him. We we came in together and and and we um First question he got was on Mormonism. First question he got was on Mormonism. We knew we were in Utah, we prepared for We knew we were in Utah, we prepared for We knew we were in Utah, we prepared for that. that. that. Second question we got, ironically, was Second question we got, ironically, was Second question we got, ironically, was about trans violence. about trans violence. about trans violence. Because somebody had suggested that Because somebody had suggested that Because somebody had suggested that maybe trans people ought not have maybe trans people ought not have maybe trans people ought not have weapons because there's been an uptick weapons because there's been an uptick weapons because there's been an uptick of people who claim to be trans who have of people who claim to be trans who have of people who claim to be trans who have committed these violent acts. And that committed these violent acts. And that committed these violent acts. And that was the question being asked when the was the question being asked when the was the question being asked when the shot rang out. shot rang out. shot rang out. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And I was 30 ft from his right elbow. >> And I was 30 ft from his right elbow. >> And I was 30 ft from his right elbow. And I was FaceTiming my son and And I was FaceTiming my son and And I was FaceTiming my son and daughter-in-law daughter-in-law daughter-in-law because um it was amazing. I mean, we because um it was amazing. I mean, we because um it was amazing. I mean, we pulled up there. There were pulled up there. There were pulled up there. There were seemed like 5,000 people everywhere. In seemed like 5,000 people everywhere. In seemed like 5,000 people everywhere. In fact, even on the way in when we got fact, even on the way in when we got fact, even on the way in when we got footage of it, I said to him I literally footage of it, I said to him I literally footage of it, I said to him I literally said to him I said, "Charlie, I don't said to him I said, "Charlie, I don't said to him I said, "Charlie, I don't like this place. There's too many like this place. There's too many like this place. There's too many buildings."

buildings." buildings." He just shrugged it off because he's He just shrugged it off because he's He just shrugged it off because he's brave, you know, and brave, you know, and brave, you know, and you know, you you have to expose you know, you you have to expose you know, you you have to expose yourself to to a certain degree to yourself to to a certain degree to yourself to to a certain degree to people to love them. You just can't wall people to love them. You just can't wall people to love them. You just can't wall yourself off completely. yourself off completely. yourself off completely. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And so >> And so >> And so when the shot rang out, I took a step when the shot rang out, I took a step when the shot rang out, I took a step toward him. toward him. toward him. And I don't know what I said, but my And I don't know what I said, but my And I don't know what I said, but my daughter-in-law told me because she was daughter-in-law told me because she was daughter-in-law told me because she was listening. listening. listening. I just said, "No, no, no, no." Cuz I I just said, "No, no, no, no." Cuz I I just said, "No, no, no, no." Cuz I always thought someone would always thought someone would always thought someone would at some point take a shot at Charlie at some point take a shot at Charlie at some point take a shot at Charlie because because because Satan always attacks effective people. Satan always attacks effective people. Satan always attacks effective people. And Charlie was very effective. And Charlie was very effective. And Charlie was very effective. But as I'm yelling that But as I'm yelling that But as I'm yelling that >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> his security team's already on him. They >> his security team's already on him. They >> his security team's already on him. They were closer to him than me. were closer to him than me. were closer to him than me. And so they grab him. And so they grab him. And so they grab him. They go on one side of the tent. I go They go on one side of the tent. I go They go on one side of the tent. I go behind the tent and run along with them behind the tent and run along with them behind the tent and run along with them to the SUV we came in on. to the SUV we came in on. to the SUV we came in on. I instinctively just put the phone in my I instinctively just put the phone in my I instinctively just put the phone in my back pocket. I didn't even hang up. back pocket. I didn't even hang up. back pocket. I didn't even hang up. And I got in the back.

And I got in the back. And I got in the back. And so Justin's driving And so Justin's driving And so Justin's driving dancing in the front with the GPS on his dancing in the front with the GPS on his dancing in the front with the GPS on his phone. phone. phone. Rick Rick Rick All these guys are Christians, by the All these guys are Christians, by the All these guys are Christians, by the way. They all love Charlie. way. They all love Charlie. way. They all love Charlie. Rick has his head to my left. Rick has his head to my left. Rick has his head to my left. Brian, who was kind of the head of the Brian, who was kind of the head of the Brian, who was kind of the head of the whole thing and was on the Shawn Ryan whole thing and was on the Shawn Ryan whole thing and was on the Shawn Ryan podcast like you were podcast like you were podcast like you were was to my right was to my right was to my right holding Charlie's midsection and feet. holding Charlie's midsection and feet. holding Charlie's midsection and feet. And his feet are hanging out the right And his feet are hanging out the right And his feet are hanging out the right door because he's too tall. He's 6'4". door because he's too tall. He's 6'4". door because he's too tall. He's 6'4". And And And it's I'm it's I'm it's I'm I'm perched over the back's seat I'm perched over the back's seat I'm perched over the back's seat from the rear, just looking right down from the rear, just looking right down from the rear, just looking right down at him. at him. at him. And uh And uh And uh go. Just go. We don't have any emergency lights. We don't have any emergency lights. There's no sirens. We're just screaming There's no sirens. We're just screaming There's no sirens. We're just screaming through intersections. Meanwhile, we're Meanwhile, we're halfway there and there's an ambulance halfway there and there's an ambulance halfway there and there's an ambulance coming our way and we stop. Should we coming our way and we stop. Should we coming our way and we stop. Should we stop? No, just keep going. Just keep stop? No, just keep going. Just keep stop? No, just keep going. Just keep going. Just get there.

going. Just get there. going. Just get there. And uh we're trying to stop the And uh we're trying to stop the And uh we're trying to stop the bleeding. bleeding. bleeding. And at And at And at some point I I switched to CPR. I said, some point I I switched to CPR. I said, some point I I switched to CPR. I said, "We we've got I got to do something." "We we've got I got to do something." "We we've got I got to do something." And but he's not looking at me. And but he's not looking at me. And but he's not looking at me. He's looking past me right into He's looking past me right into He's looking past me right into eternity. eternity. eternity. His eyes were fixed. His eyes were fixed. His eyes were fixed. He was already gone. He was already gone. He was already gone. We learned later from the surgeon, they We learned later from the surgeon, they We learned later from the surgeon, they said, "If they had shot him in the said, "If they had shot him in the said, "If they had shot him in the emergency room, we couldn't have saved emergency room, we couldn't have saved emergency room, we couldn't have saved him." him." him." The only saving grace is that he was The only saving grace is that he was The only saving grace is that he was killed instantly. killed instantly. killed instantly. Meanwhile, but we're just Meanwhile, but we're just Meanwhile, but we're just doing the best we can. I'm trying to get doing the best we can. I'm trying to get doing the best we can. I'm trying to get his heart going. I'm trying to his heart going. I'm trying to his heart going. I'm trying to get air in him. So, we get to the hospital and we So, we get to the hospital and we we we we run him into the emergency room. It's run him into the emergency room. It's run him into the emergency room. It's like there's nobody there. Like, "Where like there's nobody there. Like, "Where like there's nobody there. Like, "Where are Didn't you know we were coming?" are Didn't you know we were coming?" are Didn't you know we were coming?" And uh within 2 minutes they descend on And uh within 2 minutes they descend on And uh within 2 minutes they descend on him and they get a heartbeat and we're him and they get a heartbeat and we're him and they get a heartbeat and we're going, going, going, "Well, maybe there's hope." Because you "Well, maybe there's hope." Because you "Well, maybe there's hope." Because you can't get a heartbeat on somebody that's can't get a heartbeat on somebody that's can't get a heartbeat on somebody that's dead if their body's strong. And so, dead if their body's strong. And so, dead if their body's strong. And so, they did, but we didn't know that. We're they did, but we didn't know that. We're they did, but we didn't know that. We're like, "Okay, maybe maybe maybe, who like, "Okay, maybe maybe maybe, who like, "Okay, maybe maybe maybe, who knows."

knows." knows." So, then they take him into the OR. So, then they take him into the OR. So, then they take him into the OR. Mikey McCoy shows up, his assistant, who Mikey McCoy shows up, his assistant, who Mikey McCoy shows up, his assistant, who like Charlie is well behind his ears in like Charlie is well behind his ears in like Charlie is well behind his ears in maturity. maturity. maturity. He comes in, he's on the phone with J.D. He comes in, he's on the phone with J.D. He comes in, he's on the phone with J.D. Vance. He's already sent a plane to get Vance. He's already sent a plane to get Vance. He's already sent a plane to get Erica. And then we're And then we're The nurses are all great. They're like The nurses are all great. They're like The nurses are all great. They're like cleaning us up. You know, we had to cleaning us up. You know, we had to cleaning us up. You know, we had to change our clothes. We didn't want to change our clothes. We didn't want to change our clothes. We didn't want to see Ericka blood all over us. see Ericka blood all over us. see Ericka blood all over us. Didn't want Ericka to see us, so we Didn't want Ericka to see us, so we Didn't want Ericka to see us, so we got into scrubs and And the surgeon comes out of the And the surgeon comes out of the operating room. operating room. operating room. And I'll never forget, I can't get these And I'll never forget, I can't get these And I'll never forget, I can't get these words out of my head. words out of my head. words out of my head. Here's how he said it. He said, There was no "We're sorry." There was no "We're sorry." There was no "We tried everything." Just There was no "We tried everything." Just There was no "We tried everything." Just "He's dead." "He's dead." "He's dead." And then he looks at Mikey, who's And then he looks at Mikey, who's And then he looks at Mikey, who's shaking on the phone with J.D. Vance.

And he goes, "I got to talk to Ericka. And he goes, "I got to talk to Ericka. I got to tell her before she hears about I got to tell her before she hears about I got to tell her before she hears about it in the media." And we're thinking, it in the media." And we're thinking, it in the media." And we're thinking, "With the same bedside manner you just "With the same bedside manner you just "With the same bedside manner you just gave us?" Ericka finally gets there, probably Ericka finally gets there, probably about 3:00 p.m. about 3:00 p.m. about 3:00 p.m. Of course, she's a mess. Of course, she's a mess. Of course, she's a mess. She spends time talking to the doctor She spends time talking to the doctor She spends time talking to the doctor and and and visiting with Charlie and visiting with Charlie and visiting with Charlie and I'm just waiting I'm just waiting I'm just waiting in the emergency room. Probably about 5:00, she comes down with Probably about 5:00, she comes down with the rest of them and I see her, she sees the rest of them and I see her, she sees the rest of them and I see her, she sees me, she comes over to me, she's me, she comes over to me, she's me, she comes over to me, she's through tears. I mean, obviously. through tears. I mean, obviously. through tears. I mean, obviously. She said, "He loved you. He was doing She said, "He loved you. He was doing She said, "He loved you. He was doing exactly what he wanted to do. exactly what he wanted to do. exactly what he wanted to do. Please don't let his legacy die." Please don't let his legacy die." Please don't let his legacy die." >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> And so, what we've been trying to do is >> And so, what we've been trying to do is >> And so, what we've been trying to do is help in any way we can to keep his help in any way we can to keep his help in any way we can to keep his legacy going and to speak out against legacy going and to speak out against legacy going and to speak out against people who are trying to tear down his people who are trying to tear down his people who are trying to tear down his legacy, these demonic forces that you're legacy, these demonic forces that you're legacy, these demonic forces that you're hearing about.

hearing about. hearing about. >> And thank you for doing that, Frank. >> And thank you for doing that, Frank. >> And thank you for doing that, Frank. Thank you for standing in the gap. And Thank you for standing in the gap. And Thank you for standing in the gap. And last night we were having dinner, and last night we were having dinner, and last night we were having dinner, and you said something that when first thing you said something that when first thing you said something that when first thing this morning when Deb and I this morning when Deb and I this morning when Deb and I got up, she said, "I can't stop thinking got up, she said, "I can't stop thinking got up, she said, "I can't stop thinking about what Frank said about the impact about what Frank said about the impact about what Frank said about the impact of this." Because I asked him last of this." Because I asked him last of this." Because I asked him last evening, I said, "What's What's the evening, I said, "What's What's the evening, I said, "What's What's the impact of this on you?" I mean, impact of this on you?" I mean, impact of this on you?" I mean, to be cradling the head of to be cradling the head of to be cradling the head of a young man you considered a fourth son, a young man you considered a fourth son, a young man you considered a fourth son, and someone you loved, and and someone you loved, and and someone you loved, and you can talk words like, you know, you can talk words like, you know, you can talk words like, you know, trauma, and all the rest, tragedy, that trauma, and all the rest, tragedy, that trauma, and all the rest, tragedy, that he was eyewitness to all of this, so he was eyewitness to all of this, so he was eyewitness to all of this, so close, so close. How could you ever, close, so close. How could you ever, close, so close. How could you ever, you know, you know, you know, get through it, get over it? So, but get through it, get over it? So, but get through it, get over it? So, but what you said, what you said, what you said, Deb said, "I can't stop thinking about Deb said, "I can't stop thinking about Deb said, "I can't stop thinking about what you said." What was that? Share what you said." What was that? Share what you said." What was that? Share with us what you said. with us what you said. with us what you said. >> Well, you asked me if I had PTSD, and I >> Well, you asked me if I had PTSD, and I >> Well, you asked me if I had PTSD, and I said, "Well, maybe, but I don't like to said, "Well, maybe, but I don't like to said, "Well, maybe, but I don't like to call it a disorder, cuz it's not a call it a disorder, cuz it's not a call it a disorder, cuz it's not a disorder. It's normal." disorder. It's normal." disorder. It's normal." >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? And those of you who've been in >> Right? And those of you who've been in >> Right? And those of you who've been in combat, you know this. Right? You should combat, you know this. Right? You should combat, you know this. Right? You should feel something pretty dramatic. So, I feel something pretty dramatic. So, I feel something pretty dramatic. So, I said, "The first thing first person I said, "The first thing first person I said, "The first thing first person I think of when I wake up is Charlie. The think of when I wake up is Charlie. The think of when I wake up is Charlie. The last person I think about last person I think about last person I think about before I go to bed is Charlie." before I go to bed is Charlie." before I go to bed is Charlie." But it should be that way. But it should be that way. But it should be that way. Right? Right? Right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And because it's what psychologists call >> And because it's what psychologists call >> And because it's what psychologists call an impact event. an impact event. an impact event. What's an impact event? An impact event What's an impact event? An impact event What's an impact event? An impact event is an event that's so dramatic that, is an event that's so dramatic that, is an event that's so dramatic that, first of all, it can change you 180° first of all, it can change you 180° first of all, it can change you 180° immediately. immediately. immediately. And secondly, And secondly, And secondly, although you might not remember what you although you might not remember what you although you might not remember what you had for breakfast this morning, you'll had for breakfast this morning, you'll had for breakfast this morning, you'll remember an impact event that happened remember an impact event that happened remember an impact event that happened 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, if 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, if 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago, if you're old enough. In fact, there may you're old enough. In fact, there may you're old enough. In fact, there may only be a few people in here that can only be a few people in here that can only be a few people in here that can answer this question, but I'm going to answer this question, but I'm going to answer this question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. ask it anyway. ask it anyway. If you can remember where you were and If you can remember where you were and If you can remember where you were and what you were doing November 22nd, 1963, what you were doing November 22nd, 1963, what you were doing November 22nd, 1963, hold your hand up and hold it up high. hold your hand up and hold it up high. hold your hand up and hold it up high. Ladies and gentlemen, you see these Ladies and gentlemen, you see these Ladies and gentlemen, you see these people with their hands up? These people people with their hands up? These people people with their hands up? These people are very old. are very old. are very old. >> [laughter] >> It's true.

>> It's true. That's my earliest memory. I was 2 years That's my earliest memory. I was 2 years That's my earliest memory. I was 2 years old and 2 days and my mom was crying old and 2 days and my mom was crying old and 2 days and my mom was crying because of the Kennedy assassination, because of the Kennedy assassination, because of the Kennedy assassination, particularly here in Dallas. If you particularly here in Dallas. If you particularly here in Dallas. If you lived here, you you can't forget that. lived here, you you can't forget that. lived here, you you can't forget that. Where were you when the Challenger Where were you when the Challenger Where were you when the Challenger exploded? Where were you when the second exploded? Where were you when the second exploded? Where were you when the second plane hit the tower? plane hit the tower? plane hit the tower? Where were you when President Trump was Where were you when President Trump was Where were you when President Trump was shot? Where were you when you heard that shot? Where were you when you heard that shot? Where were you when you heard that Charlie Kirk was shot? Charlie Kirk was shot? Charlie Kirk was shot? Do you think I'm going to ever forget Do you think I'm going to ever forget Do you think I'm going to ever forget that? that? that? Uh there's no way I can forget it. If I Uh there's no way I can forget it. If I Uh there's no way I can forget it. If I wanted to forget it, I couldn't. wanted to forget it, I couldn't. wanted to forget it, I couldn't. By the way, this is why I'm confident I know where this is why I'm confident I know where Charlie is. Because Because the same impact event that helps me the same impact event that helps me the same impact event that helps me remember his death remember his death remember his death is is is the same impact event that makes me the same impact event that makes me the same impact event that makes me realize the resurrection was true. realize the resurrection was true. realize the resurrection was true. Do you think a resurrection would have Do you think a resurrection would have Do you think a resurrection would have been an impact event? been an impact event? been an impact event? I mean, if he truly did rise from the I mean, if he truly did rise from the I mean, if he truly did rise from the dead after being in the tomb for at dead after being in the tomb for at dead after being in the tomb for at least, say, 39 hours, least, say, 39 hours, least, say, 39 hours, as you put it, do you think people would as you put it, do you think people would as you put it, do you think people would remember that? I mean, how else do you remember that? I mean, how else do you remember that? I mean, how else do you explain how these Jews who thought they explain how these Jews who thought they explain how these Jews who thought they were God's chosen people were God's chosen people were God's chosen people would claim a man claimed to be God and would claim a man claimed to be God and would claim a man claimed to be God and then rose from the dead then rose from the dead then rose from the dead and they would say this and they would say this and they would say this knowing it would get them expelled from knowing it would get them expelled from knowing it would get them expelled from the synagogue and then beaten, tortured, the synagogue and then beaten, tortured, the synagogue and then beaten, tortured, and killed? Why would they say all this and killed? Why would they say all this and killed? Why would they say all this was true if it wasn't? These people were was true if it wasn't? These people were was true if it wasn't? These people were Jews. You know, people would say, "Oh, Jews. You know, people would say, "Oh, Jews. You know, people would say, "Oh, Pastor, I can't believe what's in this

Pastor, I can't believe what's in this Pastor, I can't believe what's in this Bible because this is a Christian Bible because this is a Christian Bible because this is a Christian source." There are no Christian sources source." There are no Christian sources source." There are no Christian sources in the Bible. in the Bible. in the Bible. They're all Jewish sources. They're all Jewish sources. They're all Jewish sources. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Every one of them are Jewish sources. >> Every one of them are Jewish sources. >> Every one of them are Jewish sources. Oh, they they they became Christian Oh, they they they became Christian Oh, they they they became Christian because of the event. But even skeptics because of the event. But even skeptics because of the event. But even skeptics are even New Testament scholars are are are even New Testament scholars are are are even New Testament scholars are are agreeing now even Luke was a Jew. agreeing now even Luke was a Jew. agreeing now even Luke was a Jew. They're all Jews. Why are they inventing They're all Jews. Why are they inventing They're all Jews. Why are they inventing a resurrected Jesus to get themselves a resurrected Jesus to get themselves a resurrected Jesus to get themselves beaten, tortured, and killed? No. This beaten, tortured, and killed? No. This beaten, tortured, and killed? No. This event really occurred, and because this event really occurred, and because this event really occurred, and because this event really occurred, I know where event really occurred, I know where event really occurred, I know where Charlie is. And because this event Charlie is. And because this event Charlie is. And because this event really occurred, then living like Charlie Kirk or Mother then living like Charlie Kirk or Mother Teresa m- means something, whereas living like m- means something, whereas living like Adolf Hitler or Tyler Robinson Adolf Hitler or Tyler Robinson Adolf Hitler or Tyler Robinson is not something you ought to live by. is not something you ought to live by. is not something you ought to live by. You know, if there is no God, it doesn't You know, if there is no God, it doesn't You know, if there is no God, it doesn't matter whether you live like Mother matter whether you live like Mother matter whether you live like Mother Teresa Teresa Teresa or Hitler. If you live If you live like or Hitler. If you live If you live like or Hitler. If you live If you live like Charlie Kirk or Tyler It doesn't matter. Charlie Kirk or Tyler It doesn't matter. Charlie Kirk or Tyler It doesn't matter. Why? Cuz we ultimately wind up in the Why? Cuz we ultimately wind up in the Why? Cuz we ultimately wind up in the same place, nowhere, just out of same place, nowhere, just out of same place, nowhere, just out of existence. Only if Christianity's true, existence. Only if Christianity's true, existence. Only if Christianity's true, only if the resurrection is true, does only if the resurrection is true, does only if the resurrection is true, does your life or my life or Charlie's life your life or my life or Charlie's life your life or my life or Charlie's life or anyone's life matter.

or anyone's life matter. or anyone's life matter. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. And I want to say one thing to our And I want to say one thing to our And I want to say one thing to our church family that I have a PhD in church family that I have a PhD in church family that I have a PhD in biblical studies, but I've gotten a PhD biblical studies, but I've gotten a PhD biblical studies, but I've gotten a PhD about how to be a pastor for these last about how to be a pastor for these last about how to be a pastor for these last years as just learning under Dr. Graham. years as just learning under Dr. Graham. years as just learning under Dr. Graham. And in so many moments, pastor is And in so many moments, pastor is And in so many moments, pastor is spiritually instinctive spiritually instinctive spiritually instinctive about calling or reaching out to people about calling or reaching out to people about calling or reaching out to people he doesn't even know. And Frank, you had he doesn't even know. And Frank, you had he doesn't even know. And Frank, you had the I mean, you you were the I mean, you you were the I mean, you you were two days, less than two days after this two days, less than two days after this two days, less than two days after this happened, tell the church who reached happened, tell the church who reached happened, tell the church who reached out to you cuz I want you to know how out to you cuz I want you to know how out to you cuz I want you to know how behind this church is. We are behind behind this church is. We are behind behind this church is. We are behind you, and it began with a phone call. you, and it began with a phone call. you, and it began with a phone call. >> Yeah, Charlie was murdered on Wednesday. >> Yeah, Charlie was murdered on Wednesday. >> Yeah, Charlie was murdered on Wednesday. We got back to Phoenix Thursday We got back to Phoenix Thursday We got back to Phoenix Thursday afternoon after J.D. Vance came with Air afternoon after J.D. Vance came with Air afternoon after J.D. Vance came with Air Force 2. Force 2. Force 2. And then Friday, we're still in Phoenix, And then Friday, we're still in Phoenix, And then Friday, we're still in Phoenix, and we're about to fly back to and we're about to fly back to and we're about to fly back to Charlotte. Charlotte. Charlotte. And at that point, we didn't even know And at that point, we didn't even know And at that point, we didn't even know who the killer was. who the killer was. who the killer was. It was Friday morning they announced it. It was Friday morning they announced it. It was Friday morning they announced it. And when I came over, I just was like, And when I came over, I just was like, And when I came over, I just was like, at least they got him, right? Cuz we at least they got him, right? Cuz we at least they got him, right? Cuz we didn't know.

didn't know. didn't know. And uh that's when my phone rang, and I And uh that's when my phone rang, and I And uh that's when my phone rang, and I looked at the phone and I said, "Jack looked at the phone and I said, "Jack looked at the phone and I said, "Jack Graham." Graham." Graham." I know who Jack Graham is, but I know who Jack Graham is, but I know who Jack Graham is, but he doesn't know me. he doesn't know me. he doesn't know me. Like we'd never spoken. Like we'd never spoken. Like we'd never spoken. And it was your pastor And it was your pastor And it was your pastor just reaching out to say, "I saw what just reaching out to say, "I saw what just reaching out to say, "I saw what happened. I just want to make sure happened. I just want to make sure happened. I just want to make sure you're all right." you're all right." you're all right." >> Hallelujah. >> Hallelujah. >> Hallelujah. >> See, now that's a real pastor. I don't >> See, now that's a real pastor. I don't >> See, now that's a real pastor. I don't even I don't even go here. I live in even I don't even go here. I live in even I don't even go here. I live in Charlotte, North Carolina. He's calling Charlotte, North Carolina. He's calling Charlotte, North Carolina. He's calling me. me. me. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> So, you've got the real deal here. >> So, you've got the real deal here. >> So, you've got the real deal here. >> Help >> Help >> Help >> All right. Well. All right. Well. >> All right. Well. All right. Well. >> All right. Well. All right. Well. After, by the way, 37 years. After, by the way, 37 years. After, by the way, 37 years. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> the best interim pastor we've ever had. >> the best interim pastor we've ever had. >> the best interim pastor we've ever had. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Okay? We're all interim, ladies and >> Okay? We're all interim, ladies and >> Okay? We're all interim, ladies and gentlemen. We're only going to be here a gentlemen. We're only going to be here a gentlemen. We're only going to be here a short time. short time. short time. >> Yeah, it's true and >> Yeah, it's true and >> Yeah, it's true and well well well >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> put on the screen the passage from >> put on the screen the passage from >> put on the screen the passage from Peter, which summarizes what we're Peter, which summarizes what we're Peter, which summarizes what we're talking about here today. talking about here today. talking about here today. But in your hearts But in your hearts But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as always honor Christ the Lord as always honor Christ the Lord as always this holy, always being prepared to make this holy, always being prepared to make this holy, always being prepared to make a defense a defense a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for to anyone who asks you for a reason for to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope.

the hope. the hope. There's the word that signifies and sets There's the word that signifies and sets There's the word that signifies and sets Christian faith apart. Christian faith apart. Christian faith apart. I believe in this the hope, it's the I believe in this the hope, it's the I believe in this the hope, it's the hope of the resurrection as these hope of the resurrection as these hope of the resurrection as these gentlemen have so gentlemen have so gentlemen have so powerfully and powerfully and powerfully and biblically biblically biblically personally advocated for the personally advocated for the personally advocated for the resurrection, the hope that is in you. resurrection, the hope that is in you. resurrection, the hope that is in you. Yet, do it with gentleness and respect. Yet, do it with gentleness and respect. Yet, do it with gentleness and respect. >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> So, what we do as Christians is to share >> So, what we do as Christians is to share >> So, what we do as Christians is to share our our our >> faith like that. >> faith like that. >> faith like that. >> And we can't all be >> And we can't all be >> And we can't all be uh uh uh trained Christian apologists. trained Christian apologists. trained Christian apologists. But we can all be prepared to share the But we can all be prepared to share the But we can all be prepared to share the hope that is in us. hope that is in us. hope that is in us. And if you have this hope in Jesus And if you have this hope in Jesus And if you have this hope in Jesus Christ, you can share your faith. Christ, you can share your faith. Christ, you can share your faith. You can give your faith away because You can give your faith away because You can give your faith away because it's too good to keep for yourself. it's too good to keep for yourself. it's too good to keep for yourself. And I I what I see in in in Charlie and And I I what I see in in in Charlie and And I I what I see in in in Charlie and in his spiritual father mentor here, in his spiritual father mentor here, in his spiritual father mentor here, just a boldness. just a boldness. just a boldness. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Would you pray that God would give you, >> Would you pray that God would give you, >> Would you pray that God would give you, as I'm praying, a boldness as I'm praying, a boldness as I'm praying, a boldness to to share your faith because people to to share your faith because people to to share your faith because people all around us all around us all around us desperately need hope. And that hope is desperately need hope. And that hope is desperately need hope. And that hope is in the resurrection. God is in the resurrection. God is in the resurrection. God is and he and he and he is eternally is eternally is eternally by the resurrection in Christ alive.

by the resurrection in Christ alive. by the resurrection in Christ alive. So, would you bow your heads with me in So, would you bow your heads with me in So, would you bow your heads with me in prayer and I want to, as we always do, prayer and I want to, as we always do, prayer and I want to, as we always do, give you an opportunity give you an opportunity give you an opportunity to respond to what you've heard, God's to respond to what you've heard, God's to respond to what you've heard, God's truth. truth. truth. Because I don't believe you're here by Because I don't believe you're here by Because I don't believe you're here by accident. If you're watching online that you're watching by chance, but that God you're watching by chance, but that God brought you here and to this moment in brought you here and to this moment in brought you here and to this moment in your life. And you talk about a high your life. And you talk about a high your life. And you talk about a high impact, something that you will never impact, something that you will never impact, something that you will never forget. Not a tragedy, but a triumph. The Not a tragedy, but a triumph. The tragedy of the cross, yet, but the tragedy of the cross, yet, but the tragedy of the cross, yet, but the triumph of the resurrection. triumph of the resurrection. triumph of the resurrection. And the promise of hope. And the promise of hope. And the promise of hope. And if you are not living in this hope, And if you are not living in this hope, And if you are not living in this hope, Peter also said we are born again unto a Peter also said we are born again unto a Peter also said we are born again unto a living hope. living hope. living hope. If you've never been born again, made If you've never been born again, made If you've never been born again, made alive in Christ, I want to give you an alive in Christ, I want to give you an alive in Christ, I want to give you an opportunity opportunity opportunity to experience this new life in Christ to experience this new life in Christ to experience this new life in Christ today. today. today. To live in hope rather than in despair. To live in hope rather than in despair. To live in hope rather than in despair. To know that you're going to heaven. To To know that you're going to heaven. To To know that you're going to heaven. To live as Christ, to die as gain. live as Christ, to die as gain. live as Christ, to die as gain. I like the way Frank put it when he said I like the way Frank put it when he said I like the way Frank put it when he said Charlie was looking past me into Charlie was looking past me into Charlie was looking past me into eternity.

eternity. eternity. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> And to be absent from the body in Christ >> And to be absent from the body in Christ >> And to be absent from the body in Christ is to be present with the Lord. is to be present with the Lord. is to be present with the Lord. And but let me tell you something, you And but let me tell you something, you And but let me tell you something, you have to do more than just die to go to have to do more than just die to go to have to do more than just die to go to heaven. heaven. heaven. Did you know that? Did you know that? Did you know that? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You have to do more than die to go to >> You have to do more than die to go to >> You have to do more than die to go to heaven because not everyone who dies heaven because not everyone who dies heaven because not everyone who dies goes to heaven. There is a hell and goes to heaven. There is a hell and goes to heaven. There is a hell and there is a judgment. there is a judgment. there is a judgment. But Jesus makes it possible for you to But Jesus makes it possible for you to But Jesus makes it possible for you to live and die and live again forever in live and die and live again forever in live and die and live again forever in Christ. So, I'm going to lead you in a Christ. So, I'm going to lead you in a Christ. So, I'm going to lead you in a prayer. Online, everyone watching, prayer. Online, everyone watching, prayer. Online, everyone watching, join us in this prayer in this room. join us in this prayer in this room. join us in this prayer in this room. If you don't know for certain that if If you don't know for certain that if If you don't know for certain that if you were to die today that you would go you were to die today that you would go you were to die today that you would go to heaven. Romans 10 says if we confess with our Romans 10 says if we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in our mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in our mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that God has raised him from the hearts that God has raised him from the hearts that God has raised him from the dead, we will be saved. To be saved dead, we will be saved. To be saved dead, we will be saved. To be saved means forgiven of all your sins, Christ means forgiven of all your sins, Christ means forgiven of all your sins, Christ is alive in you, he lives in you, and is alive in you, he lives in you, and is alive in you, he lives in you, and you're on your way to heaven forever. So, be saved today. Be born again today.

So, be saved today. Be born again today. The Holy Spirit is here working. The Holy Spirit is here working. The Holy Spirit is here working. People have been praying for you. People have been praying for you. People have been praying for you. Someone invited you. Someone invited you. Someone invited you. You've heard these words and you know You've heard these words and you know You've heard these words and you know beyond the words, human words, you've beyond the words, human words, you've beyond the words, human words, you've seen you've heard the spirit of God seen you've heard the spirit of God seen you've heard the spirit of God speaking to you. So, pray like this. speaking to you. So, pray like this. speaking to you. So, pray like this. Lord Jesus, I do believe. Lord Jesus, I do believe. Lord Jesus, I do believe. I believe I believe I believe you died on the cross for my sins you died on the cross for my sins you died on the cross for my sins and that you rose again on the third and that you rose again on the third and that you rose again on the third day. day. day. I believe because I know it's true. And so, Jesus, come into my life. And so, Jesus, come into my life. I ask you to forgive my sins. I repent I ask you to forgive my sins. I repent I ask you to forgive my sins. I repent of my sins. I ask you to forgive me of of my sins. I ask you to forgive me of of my sins. I ask you to forgive me of my sins and to my sins and to my sins and to and to save me and to save me and to save me from judgment and hell and to give me from judgment and hell and to give me from judgment and hell and to give me eternal life. eternal life. eternal life. The wages of sin is death, but the gift The wages of sin is death, but the gift The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus our of God is eternal life through Jesus our of God is eternal life through Jesus our Lord. Lord. Lord. So, Lord, thank you for your grace, your So, Lord, thank you for your grace, your So, Lord, thank you for your grace, your love, this gift. I invite you to come into my life now I invite you to come into my life now and forever.

and forever. and forever. I trust you as my savior. I trust you as my savior. I trust you as my savior. I will follow you as my Lord. And if [music] you're praying that And if [music] you're praying that prayer, thank him for saving you. Thank prayer, thank him for saving you. Thank prayer, thank him for saving you. Thank him for doing what he promised he would him for doing what he promised he would him for doing what he promised he would do. He said, "I will come in. You invite do. He said, "I will come in. You invite do. He said, "I will come in. You invite me in, I will come in." me in, I will come in." me in, I will come in." So, say thank you, Jesus. So, say thank you, Jesus. So, say thank you, Jesus. And one more thing I want you to pray And one more thing I want you to pray And one more thing I want you to pray and act. [music] and act. [music] and act. [music] Ask, Lord, give me the courage Ask, Lord, give me the courage Ask, Lord, give me the courage to stand for you today. to stand for you today. to stand for you today. Give me the courage to publicly profess Give me the courage to publicly profess Give me the courage to publicly profess my faith [music] to follow you. my faith [music] to follow you. my faith [music] to follow you. In Jesus' name. In Jesus' name. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Now, would you stand with me, please, Now, would you stand with me, please, Now, would you stand with me, please, everyone? All of us standing together. everyone? All of us standing together. everyone? All of us standing together. I'm going to ask that you not leave, I'm going to ask that you not leave, I'm going to ask that you not leave, but that you be our prayer partners in but that you be our prayer partners in but that you be our prayer partners in this, because many prayed online. this, because many prayed online. this, because many prayed online. There's a number, 747-887-4788. Text the word [music] Jesus to that Text the word [music] Jesus to that number, and we will connect with you. We number, and we will connect with you. We number, and we will connect with you. We have resources that we would like to have resources that we would like to have resources that we would like to give you, and those of you and will lead give you, and those of you and will lead give you, and those of you and will lead you to assurance and certainty in what you to assurance and certainty in what you to assurance and certainty in what you're doing. And right here in this you're doing. And right here in this you're doing. And right here in this room, I'm going to ask you to do room, I'm going to ask you to do room, I'm going to ask you to do something something something that Jesus would call you to do, and that Jesus would call you to do, and that Jesus would call you to do, and that is to openly follow him.

that is to openly follow him. that is to openly follow him. I mean, [music] if if people like I mean, [music] if if people like I mean, [music] if if people like Charlie, like Frank can go into Charlie, like Frank can go into Charlie, like Frank can go into sometimes hostile areas and profess sometimes hostile areas and profess sometimes hostile areas and profess faith in Christ, faith in Christ, faith in Christ, then surely the least that we can do then surely the least that we can do then surely the least that we can do is to walk down a carpeted church aisle is to walk down a carpeted church aisle is to walk down a carpeted church aisle among friends among friends among friends and publicly profess faith in Christ. and publicly profess faith in Christ. and publicly profess faith in Christ. So, I'm going to ask you to do that So, I'm going to ask you to do that So, I'm going to ask you to do that today. Don't be ashamed. Don't be today. Don't be ashamed. Don't be today. Don't be ashamed. Don't be afraid. [music] afraid. [music] afraid. [music] But come forward. Upstairs and But come forward. Upstairs and But come forward. Upstairs and downstairs, our ministers will meet you downstairs, our ministers will meet you downstairs, our ministers will meet you here. You say, "What's going to happen?" here. You say, "What's going to happen?" here. You say, "What's going to happen?" We'll have a few words with you. We'll We'll have a few words with you. We'll We'll have a few words with you. We'll answer your questions if you have answer your questions if you have answer your questions if you have questions. We'll pray together, and you questions. We'll pray together, and you questions. We'll pray together, and you can walk out of here with the most unforgettable, high-impact with the most unforgettable, high-impact experience of all of [music] life. experience of all of [music] life. experience of all of [music] life. It's called salvation in Jesus Christ. It's called salvation in Jesus Christ. It's called salvation in Jesus Christ. So, Lord, take now these moments, turn So, Lord, take now these moments, turn So, Lord, take now these moments, turn them into miracles in Jesus' name. Amen them into miracles in Jesus' name. Amen them into miracles in Jesus' name. Amen and amen. If you need a church home, and amen. If you need a church home, and amen. If you need a church home, lead the way and set the example. If you lead the way and set the example. If you lead the way and set the example. If you want to be a part of Prestonwood, we'll want to be a part of Prestonwood, we'll want to be a part of Prestonwood, we'll receive you as as receive members today.

receive you as as receive members today. receive you as as receive members today. If [music] you want to profess your If [music] you want to profess your If [music] you want to profess your faith, if you want to be baptized, we'll faith, if you want to be baptized, we'll faith, if you want to be baptized, we'll make an appointment for your baptism, make an appointment for your baptism, make an appointment for your baptism, but come. [music] If you want to but come. [music] If you want to but come. [music] If you want to rededicate your life to Christ as a rededicate your life to Christ as a rededicate your life to Christ as a follower, a Jesus person, then come follower, a Jesus person, then come follower, a Jesus person, then come today and do [music] it now. Come on. today and do [music] it now. Come on. today and do [music] it now. Come on. >> At the cross, at the cross >> At the cross, at the cross >> At the cross, at the cross >> to the nearest aisle. Maybe you're >> to the nearest aisle. Maybe you're >> to the nearest aisle. Maybe you're standing [music] with someone standing [music] with someone standing [music] with someone who wants to come, who needs to come. who wants to come, who needs to come. who wants to come, who needs to come. [music] [music] [music] And all it would take And all it would take And all it would take would be for you to say, "I'll walk with would be for you to say, "I'll walk with would be for you to say, "I'll walk with you." you." you." Grab your husband. Grab your wife. Get Grab your husband. Grab your wife. Get Grab your husband. Grab your wife. Get your kids. your kids. your kids. Get your friend [music] and come to Get your friend [music] and come to Get your friend [music] and come to Jesus. Come to Jesus now. Jesus. Come to Jesus now. Jesus. Come to Jesus now. >> [music and singing] [music] [music] >> There's more.

>> There's more. >> There's more. I know. I know. I know. There are more. There are more. There are more. >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Don't walk away. >> Don't walk away. >> Don't walk away. >> Well, this has been an incredible time >> Well, this has been an incredible time >> Well, this has been an incredible time together today. We've had an awesome together today. We've had an awesome together today. We've had an awesome conversation. I hope it has grown your conversation. I hope it has grown your conversation. I hope it has grown your [music] faith and it has encouraged you [music] faith and it has encouraged you [music] faith and it has encouraged you to share your faith with others. If you to share your faith with others. If you to share your faith with others. If you prayed that prayer today for the very prayed that prayer today for the very prayed that prayer today for the very first time, would you do me a favor first time, would you do me a favor first time, would you do me a favor [music] and text the word Jesus to the [music] and text the word Jesus to the [music] and text the word Jesus to the number 74788. number 74788. number 74788. That's Jesus That's Jesus That's Jesus >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> to the number 74788. >> to the number 74788. >> to the number 74788. We have some resources we would love to We have some resources we would love to We have some resources we would love to get in your hands. Our team would love get in your hands. Our team would love get in your hands. Our team would love the opportunity to follow up with you the opportunity to follow up with you the opportunity to follow up with you and answer any questions [music] that and answer any questions [music] that and answer any questions [music] that you might have. Well, again, this has you might have. Well, again, this has you might have. Well, again, this has been a wonderful time together in God's been a wonderful time together in God's been a wonderful time together in God's word. I hope that you have a great week word. I hope that you have a great week word. I hope that you have a great week and we'll see you next time.