If I Had More Time | Misplaced Fear

Thanks for joining us for the If I Had Thanks for joining us for the If I Had More Time podcast. So glad you're here More Time podcast. So glad you're here More Time podcast. So glad you're here today. I'm here with our senior pastor, today. I'm here with our senior pastor, today. I'm here with our senior pastor, Eric Guyger, and Moi Moa, who's the lead Eric Guyger, and Moi Moa, who's the lead Eric Guyger, and Moi Moa, who's the lead pastor of Mariners Anaheim. Mokei, thank pastor of Mariners Anaheim. Mokei, thank pastor of Mariners Anaheim. Mokei, thank you for joining us. you for joining us. you for joining us. >> I'm so glad and humbled to be here with >> I'm so glad and humbled to be here with >> I'm so glad and humbled to be here with you guys. you guys. you guys. >> We're we're at um 18 months of Mariners >> We're we're at um 18 months of Mariners >> We're we're at um 18 months of Mariners Anaheim, right? Anaheim, right? Anaheim, right? >> Is that crazy? Whoa. >> Is that crazy? Whoa. >> Is that crazy? Whoa. >> 18 months. >> 18 months. >> 18 months. >> Yeah. December of 2024. That was the >> Yeah. December of 2024. That was the >> Yeah. December of 2024. That was the start. and about 12 months in the start. and about 12 months in the start. and about 12 months in the building, right? building, right? building, right? >> 12 months, a year and two months in the >> 12 months, a year and two months in the >> 12 months, a year and two months in the building. building. building. >> Yeah. Which was which was really fast. >> Yeah. Which was which was really fast. >> Yeah. Which was which was really fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> We have we have most congregations we >> We have we have most congregations we >> We have we have most congregations we launch, we aren't able to move into the launch, we aren't able to move into the launch, we aren't able to move into the permanent facility as quickly as permanent facility as quickly as permanent facility as quickly as >> and it's it's the gift of >> and it's it's the gift of >> and it's it's the gift of >> when you move into a facility that was >> when you move into a facility that was >> when you move into a facility that was already a church already a church already a church >> because you don't you don't have to go >> because you don't you don't have to go >> because you don't you don't have to go through like cup with cities and whatnot through like cup with cities and whatnot through like cup with cities and whatnot or it's not as extensive as a process. or it's not as extensive as a process. or it's not as extensive as a process. >> So super thankful for Mariners Church >> So super thankful for Mariners Church >> So super thankful for Mariners Church because of your generosity. We have a because of your generosity. We have a because of your generosity. We have a building in Anaheim. building in Anaheim. building in Anaheim. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That is allowing us not only to gather >> That is allowing us not only to gather >> That is allowing us not only to gather Thursday night for young young adults, Thursday night for young young adults, Thursday night for young young adults, Sunday for church. We have a food Sunday for church. We have a food Sunday for church. We have a food pantry, ESL classes. We have pantry, ESL classes. We have pantry, ESL classes. We have >> Saturday morning things happening like >> Saturday morning things happening like >> Saturday morning things happening like activated.

activated. activated. >> So their giving, the people who are >> So their giving, the people who are >> So their giving, the people who are listening, I mean they their generosity listening, I mean they their generosity listening, I mean they their generosity >> funds all of this like talk to us. They >> funds all of this like talk to us. They >> funds all of this like talk to us. They I know that the people listening know we I know that the people listening know we I know that the people listening know we do church services, do church services, do church services, >> you know, but how else how else is that >> you know, but how else how else is that >> you know, but how else how else is that facility in Anaheim serving the facility in Anaheim serving the facility in Anaheim serving the community. community. community. >> Yeah. So on Monday nights we have a food >> Yeah. So on Monday nights we have a food >> Yeah. So on Monday nights we have a food pantry. We started in September 2026. Um pantry. We started in September 2026. Um pantry. We started in September 2026. Um really quick spool up. Uh first month we really quick spool up. Uh first month we really quick spool up. Uh first month we were serving about 30 families a week. were serving about 30 families a week. were serving about 30 families a week. The last few weeks it's been about a The last few weeks it's been about a The last few weeks it's been about a hundred families that have been coming hundred families that have been coming hundred families that have been coming through. Yeah. They're waiting 45 through. Yeah. They're waiting 45 through. Yeah. They're waiting 45 minutes for in line to get food and then minutes for in line to get food and then minutes for in line to get food and then coming like 2 hours early. coming like 2 hours early. coming like 2 hours early. >> And I know we have people there that are >> And I know we have people there that are >> And I know we have people there that are are sharing the gospel uh in Farsy to are sharing the gospel uh in Farsy to are sharing the gospel uh in Farsy to >> Yeah. We're giving out Bibles in >> Yeah. We're giving out Bibles in >> Yeah. We're giving out Bibles in different languages, Spanish speaking, different languages, Spanish speaking, different languages, Spanish speaking, Vietnamese speaking, all that kind of Vietnamese speaking, all that kind of Vietnamese speaking, all that kind of stuff. Come on. stuff. Come on. stuff. Come on. >> And it's been really cool. 50 volunteers >> And it's been really cool. 50 volunteers >> And it's been really cool. 50 volunteers that are serving on that team regularly. that are serving on that team regularly. that are serving on that team regularly. Um and then we're welcoming Fristers in Um and then we're welcoming Fristers in Um and then we're welcoming Fristers in on Monday nights as well in the fall. So on Monday nights as well in the fall. So on Monday nights as well in the fall. So single young moms, young dads coming in single young moms, young dads coming in single young moms, young dads coming in getting the resources and training that getting the resources and training that getting the resources and training that they need to be amazing at what they do. they need to be amazing at what they do. they need to be amazing at what they do. >> Come on. So Monday nights food pantry >> Come on. So Monday nights food pantry >> Come on. So Monday nights food pantry for the community. Firsters will be for the community. Firsters will be for the community. Firsters will be meeting there.

meeting there. meeting there. >> Yeah. Tuesday we've got rooted which we >> Yeah. Tuesday we've got rooted which we >> Yeah. Tuesday we've got rooted which we love at Mariners. We know that's how we love at Mariners. We know that's how we love at Mariners. We know that's how we build community and move people out of build community and move people out of build community and move people out of isolation and help them discover their isolation and help them discover their isolation and help them discover their connection with God. Uh Wednesday we connection with God. Uh Wednesday we connection with God. Uh Wednesday we have our youth ministry which is now have our youth ministry which is now have our youth ministry which is now past the 30 number a few times uh which past the 30 number a few times uh which past the 30 number a few times uh which is really cool. Youth is really hard to is really cool. Youth is really hard to is really cool. Youth is really hard to launch at a church every time I've been launch at a church every time I've been launch at a church every time I've been everywhere I've been. everywhere I've been. everywhere I've been. >> Uh Thursdays obviously we have young >> Uh Thursdays obviously we have young >> Uh Thursdays obviously we have young adults but we're also starting to uh adults but we're also starting to uh adults but we're also starting to uh bring in VR. So Voice of Refugees bring in VR. So Voice of Refugees bring in VR. So Voice of Refugees starting to use our buildings for ESL on starting to use our buildings for ESL on starting to use our buildings for ESL on Mondays and Tuesdays in the morning. Um Mondays and Tuesdays in the morning. Um Mondays and Tuesdays in the morning. Um so our buildings now used not just in so our buildings now used not just in so our buildings now used not just in the evenings but in the morning as well. the evenings but in the morning as well. the evenings but in the morning as well. And then we launched Momco. So, um, And then we launched Momco. So, um, And then we launched Momco. So, um, Anaheim has the, uh, one of the highest Anaheim has the, uh, one of the highest Anaheim has the, uh, one of the highest family rates in all of Orange County and family rates in all of Orange County and family rates in all of Orange County and a lot of single moms. Um, and so giving a lot of single moms. Um, and so giving a lot of single moms. Um, and so giving them a community where they can just go them a community where they can just go them a community where they can just go to and be, uh, on a regular basis has to and be, uh, on a regular basis has to and be, uh, on a regular basis has been really, really awesome. And then been really, really awesome. And then been really, really awesome. And then ESL is launching as well. So, we just ESL is launching as well. So, we just ESL is launching as well. So, we just did our first ESL thing this past week, did our first ESL thing this past week, did our first ESL thing this past week, and that's also going to be on Saturday and that's also going to be on Saturday and that's also going to be on Saturday morning. So, man, that's great. morning. So, man, that's great. morning. So, man, that's great. >> Six days a week of ministry and a staff >> Six days a week of ministry and a staff >> Six days a week of ministry and a staff that's just all in and going for it. So, that's just all in and going for it. So, that's just all in and going for it. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, Anaheim's such an yeah. Yeah. Well, Anaheim's such an yeah. Yeah. Well, Anaheim's such an important city in Southern California, important city in Southern California, important city in Southern California, largest city in Orange County, largest city in Orange County, largest city in Orange County, >> and so so much ministry happens >> and so so much ministry happens >> and so so much ministry happens >> through this team that we have. You you >> through this team that we have. You you >> through this team that we have. You you lead leading the team to the city of lead leading the team to the city of lead leading the team to the city of Santa I'm sorry, not s of Anaheim. Santa Santa I'm sorry, not s of Anaheim. Santa Santa I'm sorry, not s of Anaheim. Santa Ana is important, too. But [laughter] uh Ana is important, too. But [laughter] uh Ana is important, too. But [laughter] uh but uh but the city of Anaheim and and but uh but the city of Anaheim and and but uh but the city of Anaheim and and really really just honored that our really really just honored that our really really just honored that our churches gets to be a part of Anaheim.

churches gets to be a part of Anaheim. churches gets to be a part of Anaheim. We love Anaheim and and we we know that We love Anaheim and and we we know that We love Anaheim and and we we know that God loves the people of Anaheim. God loves the people of Anaheim. God loves the people of Anaheim. >> Absolutely he does. Yeah. >> Absolutely he does. Yeah. >> Absolutely he does. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's been a real blessing >> Yeah. Yeah. It's been a real blessing >> Yeah. Yeah. It's been a real blessing just to see how how much that the just to see how how much that the just to see how how much that the community has embraced us being there community has embraced us being there community has embraced us being there and then the opportunities that we've and then the opportunities that we've and then the opportunities that we've had to walk into life with other people had to walk into life with other people had to walk into life with other people that they've been praying for something that they've been praying for something that they've been praying for something like this and God just answered and like this and God just answered and like this and God just answered and there's so many stories like that down there's so many stories like that down there's so many stories like that down the line. So, it's not just like what the line. So, it's not just like what the line. So, it's not just like what are we doing in our building, but also are we doing in our building, but also are we doing in our building, but also what's happening with our people in the what's happening with our people in the what's happening with our people in the community as they're released community as they're released community as they're released simultaneously. And that's been really simultaneously. And that's been really simultaneously. And that's been really fun, too. fun, too. fun, too. >> Heck yeah. >> Heck yeah. >> Heck yeah. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> man. Thanks for for doing what you do >> man. Thanks for for doing what you do >> man. Thanks for for doing what you do and thanks for being on the podcast and thanks for being on the podcast and thanks for being on the podcast today, man. today, man. today, man. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. We're excited. We're in week three >> Yeah. We're excited. We're in week three >> Yeah. We're excited. We're in week three of the book of Numbers, looking at of the book of Numbers, looking at of the book of Numbers, looking at Numbers 13 and 14. There's spies in the Numbers 13 and 14. There's spies in the Numbers 13 and 14. There's spies in the land. land. land. >> Oh man, it's it's a sad it's a intense >> Oh man, it's it's a sad it's a intense >> Oh man, it's it's a sad it's a intense but also really sad couple of chapters but also really sad couple of chapters but also really sad couple of chapters for me. I It's just when you think, wait for me. I It's just when you think, wait for me. I It's just when you think, wait a second, only two people from that a second, only two people from that a second, only two people from that generation, Joshua and Caleb, go into generation, Joshua and Caleb, go into generation, Joshua and Caleb, go into the land. it. They these people got the land. it. They these people got the land. it. They these people got rescued from Egyptian slavery and then rescued from Egyptian slavery and then rescued from Egyptian slavery and then they just start complaining in the they just start complaining in the they just start complaining in the wilderness and God says, "Okay, wilderness and God says, "Okay, wilderness and God says, "Okay, >> that's it.

>> that's it. >> that's it. >> You keep saying you want to die in the >> You keep saying you want to die in the >> You keep saying you want to die in the wilderness and that I'm not good and wilderness and that I'm not good and wilderness and that I'm not good and gracious. Okay, gracious. Okay, gracious. Okay, >> you can you can have what you want." >> you can you can have what you want." >> you can you can have what you want." It's it is a sobering reminder uh of how It's it is a sobering reminder uh of how It's it is a sobering reminder uh of how devastating complaining is as it just devastating complaining is as it just devastating complaining is as it just corrupts all of those people which we corrupts all of those people which we corrupts all of those people which we talked about what last week and week two talked about what last week and week two talked about what last week and week two but you really see that theme move into but you really see that theme move into but you really see that theme move into week three. week three. week three. >> And then it's also um a devastating >> And then it's also um a devastating >> And then it's also um a devastating reminder that sometimes the reminder that sometimes the reminder that sometimes the >> God allows judgment by giving us what we >> God allows judgment by giving us what we >> God allows judgment by giving us what we want. want. want. >> That he's really gracious when we don't >> That he's really gracious when we don't >> That he's really gracious when we don't get what we want get what we want get what we want >> because oftentimes we want the wrong >> because oftentimes we want the wrong >> because oftentimes we want the wrong things. things. things. >> Yes. We want we want things that are >> Yes. We want we want things that are >> Yes. We want we want things that are that are bad for us or we that are bad for us or we that are bad for us or we >> put other things ahead of him. We want >> put other things ahead of him. We want >> put other things ahead of him. We want idols instead of him idols instead of him idols instead of him >> and but these people just persisted so >> and but these people just persisted so >> and but these people just persisted so long that God said, "You clearly don't long that God said, "You clearly don't long that God said, "You clearly don't want me." Yeah. want me." Yeah. want me." Yeah. >> And so if this is what you want, you can >> And so if this is what you want, you can >> And so if this is what you want, you can have it. have it. have it. >> It It's just It's just sad to read. It's >> It It's just It's just sad to read. It's >> It It's just It's just sad to read. It's really sad to read. really sad to read. really sad to read. >> You know, people who've been rescued who >> You know, people who've been rescued who >> You know, people who've been rescued who then don't get to go into the land. then don't get to go into the land. then don't get to go into the land. >> It's crazy. And and I think every time I >> It's crazy. And and I think every time I >> It's crazy. And and I think every time I return to this, the number that always return to this, the number that always return to this, the number that always hits me is like that's two million hits me is like that's two million hits me is like that's two million people that walk in that were a two week people that walk in that were a two week people that walk in that were a two week walk that like get to the front door and walk that like get to the front door and walk that like get to the front door and two million people don't get to walk in two million people don't get to walk in two million people don't get to walk in through that door. Like just two.

through that door. Like just two. through that door. Like just two. >> It's wild. >> It's wild. >> It's wild. >> That's >> That's >> That's >> I I can't even fathom just collectively >> I I can't even fathom just collectively >> I I can't even fathom just collectively as a whole nation just going like, as a whole nation just going like, as a whole nation just going like, >> "Okay, no, that's not what we want." >> "Okay, no, that's not what we want." >> "Okay, no, that's not what we want." Now, now you'll see that that the Now, now you'll see that that the Now, now you'll see that that the children those under 20 that God doesn't children those under 20 that God doesn't children those under 20 that God doesn't hold them accountable for the sins of hold them accountable for the sins of hold them accountable for the sins of the parents the parents the parents >> which is uh when people sometimes ask >> which is uh when people sometimes ask >> which is uh when people sometimes ask hey where do you get the age of hey where do you get the age of hey where do you get the age of accountability from or this is an accountability from or this is an accountability from or this is an actually or when I gosh earlier the year actually or when I gosh earlier the year actually or when I gosh earlier the year I think for on the table we talked about I think for on the table we talked about I think for on the table we talked about where a child goes who dies and and I where a child goes who dies and and I where a child goes who dies and and I articulate that the child articulate that the child articulate that the child >> before they could understand right and >> before they could understand right and >> before they could understand right and wrong before they could before they wrong before they could before they wrong before they could before they could know that they need to repent of could know that they need to repent of could know that they need to repent of sin and trust Jesus that that child goes sin and trust Jesus that that child goes sin and trust Jesus that that child goes to heaven. And one of the biblical to heaven. And one of the biblical to heaven. And one of the biblical examples of that is the children in the examples of that is the children in the examples of that is the children in the wilderness. God doesn't hold them wilderness. God doesn't hold them wilderness. God doesn't hold them accountable accountable accountable >> for the for the sin of rebellion and >> for the for the sin of rebellion and >> for the for the sin of rebellion and they then the next generation goes into they then the next generation goes into they then the next generation goes into the land. Wow. the land. Wow. the land. Wow. >> So it's um it's a biblical example of of >> So it's um it's a biblical example of of >> So it's um it's a biblical example of of not not necessarily like an age of not not necessarily like an age of not not necessarily like an age of accountability, but a stage of accountability, but a stage of accountability, but a stage of accountability that there's there's a a accountability that there's there's a a accountability that there's there's a a place where you're not yet held place where you're not yet held place where you're not yet held accountable for accountable for accountable for >> for your sin because we know all of us >> for your sin because we know all of us >> for your sin because we know all of us have sin within us according to the have sin within us according to the have sin within us according to the script at least according to the script at least according to the script at least according to the scripture we were born we didn't become scripture we were born we didn't become scripture we were born we didn't become sinful we were born sinful you know sinful we were born sinful you know sinful we were born sinful you know >> yeah yeah >> yeah yeah >> yeah yeah >> Eric this was I I shared with you during >> Eric this was I I shared with you during >> Eric this was I I shared with you during a teaching meeting that this was the a teaching meeting that this was the a teaching meeting that this was the first time I've heard the connection of first time I've heard the connection of first time I've heard the connection of being fearful to idolatry it's really being fearful to idolatry it's really being fearful to idolatry it's really profound and convicting and you shared profound and convicting and you shared profound and convicting and you shared those those four idols that what we've

those those four idols that what we've those those four idols that what we've kind of attached to each of these fears kind of attached to each of these fears kind of attached to each of these fears >> David David Palison's work on source >> David David Palison's work on source >> David David Palison's work on source idols idols idols >> yeah Yeah. Yeah. And there's others >> yeah Yeah. Yeah. And there's others >> yeah Yeah. Yeah. And there's others who've written on idolatry. Um I think who've written on idolatry. Um I think who've written on idolatry. Um I think it was the the Alfred Adler um who it was the the Alfred Adler um who it was the the Alfred Adler um who didn't use the word idolatry. He didn't didn't use the word idolatry. He didn't didn't use the word idolatry. He didn't write from a Christian perspective, but write from a Christian perspective, but write from a Christian perspective, but if you want to know what you're living if you want to know what you're living if you want to know what you're living for, look what you're afraid of. That for, look what you're afraid of. That for, look what you're afraid of. That your fears really reveal your your fears really reveal your your fears really reveal your affections. affections. affections. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You I mean, even think about it >> You I mean, even think about it >> You I mean, even think about it practically. Um like I would I fear practically. Um like I would I fear practically. Um like I would I fear losing my wife, you know, cuz I love her losing my wife, you know, cuz I love her losing my wife, you know, cuz I love her so much, right? So you can really get so much, right? So you can really get so much, right? So you can really get down and understand a lot of what's down and understand a lot of what's down and understand a lot of what's going on deep within your soul by going on deep within your soul by going on deep within your soul by looking at your fears. looking at your fears. looking at your fears. >> So Palison's four Paulison's David >> So Palison's four Paulison's David >> So Palison's four Paulison's David Palison's four source idols connecting Palison's four source idols connecting Palison's four source idols connecting those to fears makes sense. You know, those to fears makes sense. You know, those to fears makes sense. You know, comfort, um, approval, power, control. comfort, um, approval, power, control. comfort, um, approval, power, control. >> Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. And you asked us >> Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. And you asked us >> Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. And you asked us before we got going which one. before we got going which one. before we got going which one. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> I just wanted to know which one you >> I just wanted to know which one you >> I just wanted to know which one you were. were. were. >> And I'm still I'm over here still like, >> And I'm still I'm over here still like, >> And I'm still I'm over here still like, man, I'm really struggling. Hey, I man, I'm really struggling. Hey, I man, I'm really struggling. Hey, I confessed in a sermon that month. And we confessed in a sermon that month. And we confessed in a sermon that month. And we don't have to we don't have to surrender don't have to we don't have to surrender don't have to we don't have to surrender to our idol, but just to know to know to our idol, but just to know to know to our idol, but just to know to know which one you struggle with. You can which one you struggle with. You can which one you struggle with. You can just be aware just be aware just be aware >> um and and constantly >> um and and constantly >> um and and constantly >> release control over for me. Release >> release control over for me. Release >> release control over for me. Release control to him, not take control for control to him, not take control for control to him, not take control for myself.

myself. myself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For Kay would say that hers has been >> For Kay would say that hers has been >> For Kay would say that hers has been approval. approval. approval. >> Um part partly sometimes our greatest >> Um part partly sometimes our greatest >> Um part partly sometimes our greatest strengths can be our greatest strengths can be our greatest strengths can be our greatest weaknesses. She's so amazing weaknesses. She's so amazing weaknesses. She's so amazing relationally. Kay is. And one of the relationally. Kay is. And one of the relationally. Kay is. And one of the reasons that she's so amazing relation reasons that she's so amazing relation reasons that she's so amazing relation is she really deeply cares for people. is she really deeply cares for people. is she really deeply cares for people. >> Well, but because we can all misplace >> Well, but because we can all misplace >> Well, but because we can all misplace our um affections, she can then start to our um affections, she can then start to our um affections, she can then start to care too much about what someone thinks, care too much about what someone thinks, care too much about what someone thinks, right? right? right? >> And Mini because you know we use the the >> And Mini because you know we use the the >> And Mini because you know we use the the uh the the insights personality profile uh the the insights personality profile uh the the insights personality profile and Moki's red yellow. when he said and Moki's red yellow. when he said and Moki's red yellow. when he said approve earlier earlier when Yoki said approve earlier earlier when Yoki said approve earlier earlier when Yoki said approval I said I'm not surprised at all approval I said I'm not surprised at all approval I said I'm not surprised at all just because yellow and K's yellow you just because yellow and K's yellow you just because yellow and K's yellow you know you're super inspirational you're know you're super inspirational you're know you're super inspirational you're amazing with people you know so someone amazing with people you know so someone amazing with people you know so someone >> who someone with that profile can tend >> who someone with that profile can tend >> who someone with that profile can tend to to to >> care about on your worst days you don't >> care about on your worst days you don't >> care about on your worst days you don't have to live in that you don't have to have to live in that you don't have to have to live in that you don't have to surrender that to that surrender that to that surrender that to that >> like on my worst days being on that >> like on my worst days being on that >> like on my worst days being on that personality profile like a red like personality profile like a red like personality profile like a red like driven I on my worst days I can control driven I on my worst days I can control driven I on my worst days I can control >> you know I don't have to I don't have to >> you know I don't have to I don't have to >> you know I don't have to I don't have to surrender to Yeah. You know.

surrender to Yeah. You know. surrender to Yeah. You know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I I loved Did you have something you >> And I I loved Did you have something you >> And I I loved Did you have something you wanted to say? wanted to say? wanted to say? >> I I just want to say like if you're as I >> I I just want to say like if you're as I >> I I just want to say like if you're as I think about what you're saying, how much think about what you're saying, how much think about what you're saying, how much is rooted in some trauma or hurt that we is rooted in some trauma or hurt that we is rooted in some trauma or hurt that we had in the past that now like we used to had in the past that now like we used to had in the past that now like we used to like that becomes a fear of I never want like that becomes a fear of I never want like that becomes a fear of I never want to do that again. to do that again. to do that again. >> And so then it becomes something we >> And so then it becomes something we >> And so then it becomes something we built into a superpower which I think built into a superpower which I think built into a superpower which I think there's times where I felt fell into there's times where I felt fell into there's times where I felt fell into that where my fear that where my fear that where my fear >> moves a behavior that then becomes a >> moves a behavior that then becomes a >> moves a behavior that then becomes a superpower that superpower that superpower that >> then becomes a crush, an idol that's >> then becomes a crush, an idol that's >> then becomes a crush, an idol that's larger than what it should be. larger than what it should be. larger than what it should be. >> God can redeem it. >> God can redeem it. >> God can redeem it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Totally. I I wouldn't say to be a >> Yeah. Totally. I I wouldn't say to be a >> Yeah. Totally. I I wouldn't say to be a like I'm a counselor or a therapist, but like I'm a counselor or a therapist, but like I'm a counselor or a therapist, but I've read a lot of them and and I'm I've read a lot of them and and I'm I've read a lot of them and and I'm quoting from them in this. quoting from them in this. quoting from them in this. >> Um a common understanding is we're just >> Um a common understanding is we're just >> Um a common understanding is we're just really complex. really complex. really complex. >> We're we're complex. And so because >> We're we're complex. And so because >> We're we're complex. And so because we're complex, yes, there's going to be we're complex, yes, there's going to be we're complex, yes, there's going to be layers of it's our personality, how God layers of it's our personality, how God layers of it's our personality, how God made us. It's it's uh our our gifting, made us. It's it's uh our our gifting, made us. It's it's uh our our gifting, but there for sure traumas, pains that but there for sure traumas, pains that but there for sure traumas, pains that we've experienced. um we've experienced. um we've experienced. um people around us who have pulled good people around us who have pulled good people around us who have pulled good things out of us and bad things out of things out of us and bad things out of things out of us and bad things out of us, you know, all of all of that is a us, you know, all of all of that is a us, you know, all of all of that is a part of our journey.

part of our journey. part of our journey. >> Yeah. Yeah. I love when you pointed out >> Yeah. Yeah. I love when you pointed out >> Yeah. Yeah. I love when you pointed out what God's heart towards his people is what God's heart towards his people is what God's heart towards his people is when he's watching them give into these when he's watching them give into these when he's watching them give into these idols. idols. idols. >> He his heart is broken. >> He his heart is broken. >> He his heart is broken. >> It's And yeah, in chapter 14, it's just >> It's And yeah, in chapter 14, it's just >> It's And yeah, in chapter 14, it's just so interesting how it doesn't show his so interesting how it doesn't show his so interesting how it doesn't show his fury and wrath right away. We eventually fury and wrath right away. We eventually fury and wrath right away. We eventually do see consequence, but we see his do see consequence, but we see his do see consequence, but we see his heartbreak. So, I mean, what do what do heartbreak. So, I mean, what do what do heartbreak. So, I mean, what do what do we do with that? Like, why why is that we do with that? Like, why why is that we do with that? Like, why why is that important for us to understand? It's important for us to understand? It's important for us to understand? It's it's heartbreak for him. it's heartbreak for him. it's heartbreak for him. >> It's good. I I think it's great that >> It's good. I I think it's great that >> It's good. I I think it's great that you're pointing that out because that you're pointing that out because that you're pointing that out because that those verses where those verses where those verses where >> he pointed it out first to be clear. >> he pointed it out first to be clear. >> he pointed it out first to be clear. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah. But in the podcast, it's great. >> Yeah. But in the podcast, it's great. >> Yeah. But in the podcast, it's great. You are that like when God's asking, You are that like when God's asking, You are that like when God's asking, "How long will these people despise me?" "How long will these people despise me?" "How long will these people despise me?" You know, it's it's You know, it's it's You know, it's it's >> you get a sense >> you get a sense >> you get a sense and I are both dads. You're going to be and I are both dads. You're going to be and I are both dads. You're going to be a mom soon. You get you get a sense of a a mom soon. You get you get a sense of a a mom soon. You get you get a sense of a father, you know, you your your heart's father, you know, you your your heart's father, you know, you your your heart's broken when your kid doesn't obey you broken when your kid doesn't obey you broken when your kid doesn't obey you because you it's not like because you it's not like because you it's not like >> you're trying to hurt the kid with a a >> you're trying to hurt the kid with a a >> you're trying to hurt the kid with a a command. You totally you command. You totally you command. You totally you >> and so >> and so >> and so >> you really want what's best and and >> you really want what's best and and >> you really want what's best and and we're imperfect dads, you and me. This we're imperfect dads, you and me. This we're imperfect dads, you and me. This is perfect heavenly father, is perfect heavenly father, is perfect heavenly father, >> purest intentions. Every action is good.

>> purest intentions. Every action is good. >> purest intentions. Every action is good. Not all of my actions have been good. Not all of my actions have been good. Not all of my actions have been good. Not all of my intentions have been pure. Not all of my intentions have been pure. Not all of my intentions have been pure. But he he has always been pure and But he he has always been pure and But he he has always been pure and perfect. perfect. perfect. >> And so this >> And so this >> And so this >> for him to then have his heart broken >> for him to then have his heart broken >> for him to then have his heart broken when when when >> these people he's rescued, he says they >> these people he's rescued, he says they >> these people he's rescued, he says they they're despising me. How long will they they're despising me. How long will they they're despising me. How long will they despise me? Look what I've done. How despise me? Look what I've done. How despise me? Look what I've done. How long will they not long will they not long will they not >> how long will they not appreciate that I >> how long will they not appreciate that I >> how long will they not appreciate that I that I care for them? Yeah. that I care for them? Yeah. that I care for them? Yeah. >> You know. >> You know. >> You know. >> Yeah. It it's like um sometimes I >> Yeah. It it's like um sometimes I >> Yeah. It it's like um sometimes I good reading like good storytelling. The good reading like good storytelling. The good reading like good storytelling. The voice always changes when you get to a voice always changes when you get to a voice always changes when you get to a point like that. And I'm just thinking point like that. And I'm just thinking point like that. And I'm just thinking about like the the moments as a dad I'm about like the the moments as a dad I'm about like the the moments as a dad I'm like in bed after a long day with my like in bed after a long day with my like in bed after a long day with my kids and just going like what just kids and just going like what just kids and just going like what just happened you know like that soft voice happened you know like that soft voice happened you know like that soft voice of like that is the heartbreak like of like that is the heartbreak like of like that is the heartbreak like that's know obviously I can't make God that's know obviously I can't make God that's know obviously I can't make God like a little dad in a in a bed but kind like a little dad in a in a bed but kind like a little dad in a in a bed but kind of like that that voice like he's really of like that that voice like he's really of like that that voice like he's really is a good father who cares in the middle is a good father who cares in the middle is a good father who cares in the middle of the night you know and like the how of the night you know and like the how of the night you know and like the how long will they despise me for it's like long will they despise me for it's like long will they despise me for it's like a a deep ache. a a deep ache. a a deep ache. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. that sin's not sin's not only >> Yeah. that sin's not sin's not only >> Yeah. that sin's not sin's not only breaking the law of God, but also the breaking the law of God, but also the breaking the law of God, but also the heart of God.

heart of God. heart of God. >> And then we we already know this because >> And then we we already know this because >> And then we we already know this because we've studied the book of Genesis and we've studied the book of Genesis and we've studied the book of Genesis and Exodus and now Numbers, but Exodus and now Numbers, but Exodus and now Numbers, but >> this is a passage where you're for sure >> this is a passage where you're for sure >> this is a passage where you're for sure seeing it really highlighted seeing it really highlighted seeing it really highlighted >> that the Old Testament is not a story of >> that the Old Testament is not a story of >> that the Old Testament is not a story of a people being faithful to God. It is a a people being faithful to God. It is a a people being faithful to God. It is a story of God being faithful to to story of God being faithful to to story of God being faithful to to people. You know, this is not, oh man, people. You know, this is not, oh man, people. You know, this is not, oh man, we're going to open the Bible and see we're going to open the Bible and see we're going to open the Bible and see like this amazing narrative of how we like this amazing narrative of how we like this amazing narrative of how we can be awesome. can be awesome. can be awesome. >> You are not you're you're not walking >> You are not you're you're not walking >> You are not you're you're not walking out of reading where it was Numbers 13 out of reading where it was Numbers 13 out of reading where it was Numbers 13 and 14 saying, "We got this." and 14 saying, "We got this." and 14 saying, "We got this." >> You're you're you're reading Numbers 13 >> You're you're you're reading Numbers 13 >> You're you're you're reading Numbers 13 and 14 saying, "Lord, have mercy on me." and 14 saying, "Lord, have mercy on me." and 14 saying, "Lord, have mercy on me." >> And God, thank you for being a faithful >> And God, thank you for being a faithful >> And God, thank you for being a faithful God who's still being faithful to your God who's still being faithful to your God who's still being faithful to your promise even though people despise you. promise even though people despise you. promise even though people despise you. >> Yeah. you know, even though they die, >> Yeah. you know, even though they die, >> Yeah. you know, even though they die, their kids go into the to the land, you their kids go into the to the land, you their kids go into the to the land, you know. know. know. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There there were a couple who who did >> There there were a couple who who did >> There there were a couple who who did believe and they got to go into the believe and they got to go into the believe and they got to go into the land. Joshua and Caleb. Yep. land. Joshua and Caleb. Yep. land. Joshua and Caleb. Yep. >> We got to see their story. >> We got to see their story. >> We got to see their story. >> Two I mean two of of a lot of people. >> Two I mean two of of a lot of people. >> Two I mean two of of a lot of people. >> Two like like Mokei said, two of about >> Two like like Mokei said, two of about >> Two like like Mokei said, two of about two million. Odds are not great.

two million. Odds are not great. two million. Odds are not great. >> We don't know exactly how many because >> We don't know exactly how many because >> We don't know exactly how many because how many were less than 20, but but but how many were less than 20, but but but how many were less than 20, but but but it's a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Right. it's a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Right. it's a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And um man, I'm I'm grateful to kind of And um man, I'm I'm grateful to kind of And um man, I'm I'm grateful to kind of keep following their story and to know keep following their story and to know keep following their story and to know that they do get to go into the land. that they do get to go into the land. that they do get to go into the land. >> What what do we learn from them and >> What what do we learn from them and >> What what do we learn from them and their their commitment to the belief in their their commitment to the belief in their their commitment to the belief in in God in what God said? in God in what God said? in God in what God said? >> Well, the scripture says that Caleb had >> Well, the scripture says that Caleb had >> Well, the scripture says that Caleb had a different spirit. a different spirit. a different spirit. >> Some have tried to say, "Oh, he had the >> Some have tried to say, "Oh, he had the >> Some have tried to say, "Oh, he had the Holy Spirit." That's not what I believe Holy Spirit." That's not what I believe Holy Spirit." That's not what I believe the text is is teaching. The Holy Spirit the text is is teaching. The Holy Spirit the text is is teaching. The Holy Spirit doesn't come until the New Testament in doesn't come until the New Testament in doesn't come until the New Testament in the book of Acts after Jesus is the book of Acts after Jesus is the book of Acts after Jesus is crucified, resurrected, and ascends back crucified, resurrected, and ascends back crucified, resurrected, and ascends back into heaven. So, I think the text is into heaven. So, I think the text is into heaven. So, I think the text is just teaching he just had a different just teaching he just had a different just teaching he just had a different disposition, a different attitude. He disposition, a different attitude. He disposition, a different attitude. He just believed that God the promises of just believed that God the promises of just believed that God the promises of God are bigger than the problems of the God are bigger than the problems of the God are bigger than the problems of the land. land. land. >> That I I just believe it. I believe that >> That I I just believe it. I believe that >> That I I just believe it. I believe that God is bigger than my problems. I I God is bigger than my problems. I I God is bigger than my problems. I I believe that God has given us this land believe that God has given us this land believe that God has given us this land and him and Joshua. and him and Joshua. and him and Joshua. It it's a it's a you know less than 20% It it's a it's a you know less than 20% It it's a it's a you know less than 20% of the 12. You know it's a small of the 12. You know it's a small of the 12. You know it's a small >> it's a smaller percentage that they they >> it's a smaller percentage that they they >> it's a smaller percentage that they they go in and they spy out the land and go in and they spy out the land and go in and they spy out the land and >> 10 of them say there's no we can't do >> 10 of them say there's no we can't do >> 10 of them say there's no we can't do this.

this. this. >> We can't do this. >> We can't do this. >> We can't do this. >> Which which is which is wild considering >> Which which is which is wild considering >> Which which is which is wild considering all the signs and wonders they've seen all the signs and wonders they've seen all the signs and wonders they've seen for however long they've been in the for however long they've been in the for however long they've been in the desert. desert. desert. >> That's a great point. >> That's a great point. >> That's a great point. >> That's wild. I could stand on my side >> That's wild. I could stand on my side >> That's wild. I could stand on my side and go like, well, I mean, I've seen God and go like, well, I mean, I've seen God and go like, well, I mean, I've seen God do something in somebody's life directly do something in somebody's life directly do something in somebody's life directly like one time, but they've seen fire like one time, but they've seen fire like one time, but they've seen fire tornadoes and and like clouds come down tornadoes and and like clouds come down tornadoes and and like clouds come down and like they've seen signs and wonders and like they've seen signs and wonders and like they've seen signs and wonders galore. Totally. galore. Totally. galore. Totally. >> And yet they're on this other side and >> And yet they're on this other side and >> And yet they're on this other side and Caleb's the only one that goes, I kind Caleb's the only one that goes, I kind Caleb's the only one that goes, I kind of remember what happened last week. I of remember what happened last week. I of remember what happened last week. I think we're okay. think we're okay. think we're okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. All of that and bread >> Yeah. Yeah. All of that and bread >> Yeah. Yeah. All of that and bread outside their tent in the morning. outside their tent in the morning. outside their tent in the morning. >> And if they just remember a couple of >> And if they just remember a couple of >> And if they just remember a couple of years before years before years before their their their captives said, "Please their their their captives said, "Please their their their captives said, "Please leave after the 10 plagues leave after the 10 plagues leave after the 10 plagues >> and gave them gold." >> and gave them gold." >> and gave them gold." >> And yes, and all they had to do was say, >> And yes, and all they had to do was say, >> And yes, and all they had to do was say, "Hey, can I have can I have your can I "Hey, can I have can I have your can I "Hey, can I have can I have your can I have all your gold necklaces and stuff? have all your gold necklaces and stuff? have all your gold necklaces and stuff? Here, take it all." Yeah. Here, take it all." Yeah. Here, take it all." Yeah. >> Because God made the Egyptians give them >> Because God made the Egyptians give them >> Because God made the Egyptians give them all of the gold that they asked for. So all of the gold that they asked for. So all of the gold that they asked for. So that they pl the scripture says in in in that they pl the scripture says in in in that they pl the scripture says in in in that way they plundered. They didn't that way they plundered. They didn't that way they plundered. They didn't have to fight them. They just took it have to fight them. They just took it have to fight them. They just took it because they asked for it.

because they asked for it. because they asked for it. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> God did all that. Oh, but remember what >> God did all that. Oh, but remember what >> God did all that. Oh, but remember what they did with that gold? they did with that gold? they did with that gold? >> They built the calf. They built a golden >> They built the calf. They built a golden >> They built the calf. They built a golden calf and they worshiped that instead. calf and they worshiped that instead. calf and they worshiped that instead. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, so far we're just seeing a long >> So, so far we're just seeing a long >> So, so far we're just seeing a long >> a long list of of humanity's >> a long list of of humanity's >> a long list of of humanity's unfaithfulness to God. unfaithfulness to God. unfaithfulness to God. >> And so, that's that's where God's like, >> And so, that's that's where God's like, >> And so, that's that's where God's like, how long? how long? how long? Yeah. What more I do? I feed them. I Yeah. What more I do? I feed them. I Yeah. What more I do? I feed them. I rescued them. rescued them. rescued them. >> You You keep saying you want to die in >> You You keep saying you want to die in >> You You keep saying you want to die in the desert. You can have your way. the desert. You can have your way. the desert. You can have your way. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> I think it'd be what what a change we >> I think it'd be what what a change we >> I think it'd be what what a change we would have if we had Caleb's would have if we had Caleb's would have if we had Caleb's disposition, which is like we sing that disposition, which is like we sing that disposition, which is like we sing that song. I I've seen you move. I've seen song. I I've seen you move. I've seen song. I I've seen you move. I've seen you move the mountains. Like that song you move the mountains. Like that song you move the mountains. Like that song is Caleb's disposition. Like is Caleb's disposition. Like is Caleb's disposition. Like >> you're going to do it again. So I just >> you're going to do it again. So I just >> you're going to do it again. So I just believe and trust in your promises. believe and trust in your promises. believe and trust in your promises. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Do we have an appro I'm sure I >> Yeah. Do we have an appro I'm sure I >> Yeah. Do we have an appro I'm sure I could look this up in my series could look this up in my series could look this up in my series magazine. An approximate number of years magazine. An approximate number of years magazine. An approximate number of years from when they were freed till till this from when they were freed till till this from when they were freed till till this >> from the rescue to this moment. >> from the rescue to this moment. >> from the rescue to this moment. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. So we know that they were uh >> Okay. So we know that they were uh >> Okay. So we know that they were uh >> like how many generations is kind of >> like how many generations is kind of >> like how many generations is kind of what I'm curious. what I'm curious. what I'm curious. >> No. No. It's it's right then because so >> No. No. It's it's right then because so >> No. No. It's it's right then because so numbers chapter 1, the Lord spoke to numbers chapter 1, the Lord spoke to numbers chapter 1, the Lord spoke to Moses in the tent of the meeting in the Moses in the tent of the meeting in the Moses in the tent of the meeting in the wilderness of Si on the first day of the wilderness of Si on the first day of the wilderness of Si on the first day of the second month of the second year.

second month of the second year. second month of the second year. >> So they've been out of Isra out of >> So they've been out of Isra out of >> So they've been out of Isra out of Egyptian slavery for long for one year. Egyptian slavery for long for one year. Egyptian slavery for long for one year. One year the second month of the second One year the second month of the second One year the second month of the second year. So 14 months 15. I mean they they year. So 14 months 15. I mean they they year. So 14 months 15. I mean they they >> they've just have been rescued, >> they've just have been rescued, >> they've just have been rescued, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So it's not generations later. It's a >> So it's not generations later. It's a >> So it's not generations later. It's a year, you know, a little bit over a year, you know, a little bit over a year, you know, a little bit over a year, year, year, >> right? Something that monumental 12 >> right? Something that monumental 12 >> right? Something that monumental 12 months ago. Yeah. months ago. Yeah. months ago. Yeah. >> I don't forget. >> I don't forget. >> I don't forget. >> That's >> That's >> That's >> that's easy for me to say here, though. >> that's easy for me to say here, though. >> that's easy for me to say here, though. You know, I like I said, I I would You know, I like I said, I I would You know, I like I said, I I would probably be just like them. But gosh, probably be just like them. But gosh, probably be just like them. But gosh, that's that's wild. that's that's wild. that's that's wild. >> No, I I I I so badly don't want to be >> No, I I I I so badly don't want to be >> No, I I I I so badly don't want to be this. I do want to be the Caleb and the this. I do want to be the Caleb and the this. I do want to be the Caleb and the Joshua. Joshua. Joshua. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> You know, it's like how how did this >> You know, it's like how how did this >> You know, it's like how how did this happen? happen? happen? >> We we got rescued just a bit over a year >> We we got rescued just a bit over a year >> We we got rescued just a bit over a year ago. Yeah. ago. Yeah. ago. Yeah. >> And then we woke up in the morning and >> And then we woke up in the morning and >> And then we woke up in the morning and there's bread that God delivered, but we there's bread that God delivered, but we there's bread that God delivered, but we started complaining about the bread. started complaining about the bread. started complaining about the bread. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And other people started complaining >> And other people started complaining >> And other people started complaining about why is why is Moses and Aaron the about why is why is Moses and Aaron the about why is why is Moses and Aaron the leader? leader? leader? >> And other people started complaining >> And other people started complaining >> And other people started complaining about the hardships. That's what we saw about the hardships. That's what we saw about the hardships. That's what we saw last week. And the complaining just got last week. And the complaining just got last week. And the complaining just got worse and worse. And so then when they worse and worse. And so then when they worse and worse. And so then when they go and check out the land, go and check out the land, go and check out the land, >> uh, t come back and and kind of pour >> uh, t come back and and kind of pour >> uh, t come back and and kind of pour fuel on the complaining fuel on the complaining fuel on the complaining >> and that just then spreads throughout >> and that just then spreads throughout >> and that just then spreads throughout the whole community.

the whole community. the whole community. >> So the complaining just >> So the complaining just >> So the complaining just >> I mean, you've seen it >> I mean, you've seen it >> I mean, you've seen it >> in life. You've seen it, you know, it >> in life. You've seen it, you know, it >> in life. You've seen it, you know, it just it just spread. But it it it here's just it just spread. But it it it here's just it just spread. But it it it here's the thing that's scary about the the thing that's scary about the the thing that's scary about the complaining is there was some truth in complaining is there was some truth in complaining is there was some truth in it, it, it, >> but it wasn't fully true. >> but it wasn't fully true. >> but it wasn't fully true. >> The howevers, you mean? >> The howevers, you mean? >> The howevers, you mean? >> Yes. Yeah. So it it is true like they >> Yes. Yeah. So it it is true like they >> Yes. Yeah. So it it is true like they did they did say, "Hey, the land's did they did say, "Hey, the land's did they did say, "Hey, the land's flowing in milk and honey. However, the flowing in milk and honey. However, the flowing in milk and honey. However, the cities are fortified and the people are cities are fortified and the people are cities are fortified and the people are are really large." are really large." are really large." >> It it wasn't even that what they said >> It it wasn't even that what they said >> It it wasn't even that what they said was inaccurate. It was how they said it. was inaccurate. It was how they said it. was inaccurate. It was how they said it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We can't do this. God's against us. He >> We can't do this. God's against us. He >> We can't do this. God's against us. He brought us into the wilderness to die. brought us into the wilderness to die. brought us into the wilderness to die. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It Joshua and Caleb, they pretty much >> It Joshua and Caleb, they pretty much >> It Joshua and Caleb, they pretty much said the same thing. The land's flowing said the same thing. The land's flowing said the same thing. The land's flowing with milk and honey. The cities are with milk and honey. The cities are with milk and honey. The cities are fortified, but God's given given us fortified, but God's given given us fortified, but God's given given us this. this. this. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So, it was the different spirit of Caleb >> So, it was the different spirit of Caleb >> So, it was the different spirit of Caleb wasn't that he said a different report. wasn't that he said a different report. wasn't that he said a different report. It was his perspective on on the land It was his perspective on on the land It was his perspective on on the land was this is a gift from God.

was this is a gift from God. was this is a gift from God. >> They acknowledged the giants, right? >> They acknowledged the giants, right? >> They acknowledged the giants, right? Like they said, "We see the same things Like they said, "We see the same things Like they said, "We see the same things as you." as you." as you." >> We totally see it, but but we see it >> We totally see it, but but we see it >> We totally see it, but but we see it differently. differently. differently. >> We see the we see how we respond to this >> We see the we see how we respond to this >> We see the we see how we respond to this reality differently. reality differently. reality differently. >> Yeah. Wow. You know, >> Yeah. Wow. You know, >> Yeah. Wow. You know, >> I'm reminded of the courage that it >> I'm reminded of the courage that it >> I'm reminded of the courage that it takes sometimes to believe among like takes sometimes to believe among like takes sometimes to believe among like groups of people, you know, that when groups of people, you know, that when groups of people, you know, that when everybody else seems to be complaining. everybody else seems to be complaining. everybody else seems to be complaining. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Or or seems to be doubtful, feel >> Or or seems to be doubtful, feel >> Or or seems to be doubtful, feel hopeless and despair, that small little hopeless and despair, that small little hopeless and despair, that small little ember that you might have in your heart ember that you might have in your heart ember that you might have in your heart to have hope, it takes a lot of courage to have hope, it takes a lot of courage to have hope, it takes a lot of courage to fan that, you know, and to and to to fan that, you know, and to and to to fan that, you know, and to and to still believe still believe still believe >> massively. I I here's why you know it >> massively. I I here's why you know it >> massively. I I here's why you know it does cuz so few at least according to does cuz so few at least according to does cuz so few at least according to this text this text this text >> two right >> two right >> two right >> you know so few are are are doing that I >> you know so few are are are doing that I >> you know so few are are are doing that I mean it here's this another thing that's mean it here's this another thing that's mean it here's this another thing that's really sad for me about the passage really sad for me about the passage really sad for me about the passage so percentage-wise so percentage-wise so percentage-wise two out of 12 believe the promises were two out of 12 believe the promises were two out of 12 believe the promises were bigger than the problems that's you know bigger than the problems that's you know bigger than the problems that's you know less than 20% but not zero less than 20% but not zero less than 20% but not zero >> but yet when when they come back >> but yet when when they come back >> but yet when when they come back no one's convinced by Joshua and Caleb.

no one's convinced by Joshua and Caleb. no one's convinced by Joshua and Caleb. >> It's only Joshua and Caleb. They they >> It's only Joshua and Caleb. They they >> It's only Joshua and Caleb. They they they really were unable to convince they really were unable to convince they really were unable to convince anybody. anybody. anybody. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz everybody else went with the 10. >> Cuz everybody else went with the 10. >> Cuz everybody else went with the 10. >> That's actually really >> That's actually really >> That's actually really >> sad. >> sad. >> sad. >> That's actually really sad. >> That's actually really sad. >> That's actually really sad. >> No, I'm sad. >> No, I'm sad. >> No, I'm sad. >> So, yeah, cuz if cuz you know, you're >> So, yeah, cuz if cuz you know, you're >> So, yeah, cuz if cuz you know, you're sitting there saying, "Hey, you let let sitting there saying, "Hey, you let let sitting there saying, "Hey, you let let the spark in you to believe God's the spark in you to believe God's the spark in you to believe God's promises." Yeah. promises." Yeah. promises." Yeah. >> Um, and then but if you look at the >> Um, and then but if you look at the >> Um, and then but if you look at the text, you you would say, "Yeah, but Liz, text, you you would say, "Yeah, but Liz, text, you you would say, "Yeah, but Liz, I I I >> the 10 win." >> the 10 win." >> the 10 win." >> The 10 Yeah. The 10 the 10 won. They >> The 10 Yeah. The 10 the 10 won. They >> The 10 Yeah. The 10 the 10 won. They they convinced everybody in the camp. they convinced everybody in the camp. they convinced everybody in the camp. The the two positive people didn't win. The the two positive people didn't win. The the two positive people didn't win. >> The the the negative people won. >> The the the negative people won. >> The the the negative people won. >> And then you would say, "Yeah, but what >> And then you would say, "Yeah, but what >> And then you would say, "Yeah, but what did they win? They they won death in the did they win? They they won death in the did they win? They they won death in the wilderness, wilderness, wilderness, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But they but that's what but that's what >> But they but that's what but that's what >> But they but that's what but that's what they kept saying to God they wanted." they kept saying to God they wanted." they kept saying to God they wanted." >> Yeah. It it is so many layers to this >> Yeah. It it is so many layers to this >> Yeah. It it is so many layers to this text. text. text. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And I'm and I'm putting myself in in in >> And I'm and I'm putting myself in in in >> And I'm and I'm putting myself in in in it. it. it. >> And I mean >> And I mean >> And I mean >> Joshua and Caleb, >> Joshua and Caleb, >> Joshua and Caleb, >> this had to be devastating for them.

>> this had to be devastating for them. >> this had to be devastating for them. Even these were friends, people they had Even these were friends, people they had Even these were friends, people they had been rescued from Egyptian slavery with. been rescued from Egyptian slavery with. been rescued from Egyptian slavery with. >> Right. Right. You know, >> Right. Right. You know, >> Right. Right. You know, >> it said that Caleb tried like he tried >> it said that Caleb tried like he tried >> it said that Caleb tried like he tried to quiet the people. to quiet the people. to quiet the people. >> Come on. Listen. Listen, guys. Listen. >> Come on. Listen. Listen, guys. Listen. >> Come on. Listen. Listen, guys. Listen. God's got this for us. Hey guys. Shh. God's got this for us. Hey guys. Shh. God's got this for us. Hey guys. Shh. Listen, listen. I was there. Listen, listen. I was there. Listen, listen. I was there. >> He probably said some of the stuff Yogi >> He probably said some of the stuff Yogi >> He probably said some of the stuff Yogi is saying. Look at the cloud above the is saying. Look at the cloud above the is saying. Look at the cloud above the above the above the above the >> the tabernacle. Yeah. >> the tabernacle. Yeah. >> the tabernacle. Yeah. >> You know, guys, at night if he's talking >> You know, guys, at night if he's talking >> You know, guys, at night if he's talking to him at night, look at the fire. You to him at night, look at the fire. You to him at night, look at the fire. You know, hey, 12 months ago, we killed know, hey, 12 months ago, we killed know, hey, 12 months ago, we killed lambs and put them on our doorpost lambs and put them on our doorpost lambs and put them on our doorpost >> and then the next morning we're walking >> and then the next morning we're walking >> and then the next morning we're walking out of Egypt with gold and silver that out of Egypt with gold and silver that out of Egypt with gold and silver that the Egyptians gave us. the Egyptians gave us. the Egyptians gave us. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think one of the things I'm >> Yeah. I think one of the things I'm >> Yeah. I think one of the things I'm thinking of is you because you've said thinking of is you because you've said thinking of is you because you've said this before is like you've got to preach this before is like you've got to preach this before is like you've got to preach to yourself. to yourself. to yourself. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Before and I'm wondering how much Caleb >> Before and I'm wondering how much Caleb >> Before and I'm wondering how much Caleb preached to himself even in the midst of preached to himself even in the midst of preached to himself even in the midst of his doubts his doubts his doubts >> whereas the rest of them probably were >> whereas the rest of them probably were >> whereas the rest of them probably were not. They were just so focused in on not. They were just so focused in on not. They were just so focused in on what's ahead of them but weren't what's ahead of them but weren't what's ahead of them but weren't actually telling themselves. actually telling themselves. actually telling themselves. >> I think he I think he had to. >> I think he I think he had to. >> I think he I think he had to. >> Yeah. Like just fanning that within >> Yeah. Like just fanning that within >> Yeah. Like just fanning that within himself all the time himself all the time himself all the time >> cuz when you're desert and you're hungry >> cuz when you're desert and you're hungry >> cuz when you're desert and you're hungry and you're like yeah they're complaining and you're like yeah they're complaining and you're like yeah they're complaining that comes up but to to be able to fan that comes up but to to be able to fan that comes up but to to be able to fan that I'm like no but I have a God that that I'm like no but I have a God that that I'm like no but I have a God that cares for me and Yeah. Especially cares for me and Yeah. Especially cares for me and Yeah. Especially [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] when he's got to be preaching to himself when he's got to be preaching to himself when he's got to be preaching to himself because no one else is preaching to him.

because no one else is preaching to him. because no one else is preaching to him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He doesn't have any He doesn't have a >> He doesn't have any He doesn't have a >> He doesn't have any He doesn't have a rooted group of guys around him saying rooted group of guys around him saying rooted group of guys around him saying >> he has a Joshua. >> he has a Joshua. >> he has a Joshua. >> He does have a Joshua to him. But that's >> He does have a Joshua to him. But that's >> He does have a Joshua to him. But that's it. it. it. >> Yeah. Moses and >> Yeah. Moses and >> Yeah. Moses and >> Aaron. Yeah. You know, right? uh but not >> Aaron. Yeah. You know, right? uh but not >> Aaron. Yeah. You know, right? uh but not I mean sadly we'll find out that even I mean sadly we'll find out that even I mean sadly we'll find out that even Moses doesn't get into the land but Moses doesn't get into the land but Moses doesn't get into the land but that's a whole that's a whole other that's a whole that's a whole other that's a whole that's a whole other story that I I don't even want to share story that I I don't even want to share story that I I don't even want to share that with the listener now because it it that with the listener now because it it that with the listener now because it it it it's like it's it's I I honestly I it it's like it's it's I I honestly I it it's like it's it's I I honestly I know God's in charge of everything and know God's in charge of everything and know God's in charge of everything and there's a reason uh but I struggle with there's a reason uh but I struggle with there's a reason uh but I struggle with Moses not going to the land Moses not going to the land Moses not going to the land >> I know >> I know >> I know >> be now he disobeyed God this upcoming >> be now he disobeyed God this upcoming >> be now he disobeyed God this upcoming sermon uh God told him to speak to the sermon uh God told him to speak to the sermon uh God told him to speak to the rock and he struck it rock and he struck it rock and he struck it >> uh it seems uh at times >> uh it seems uh at times >> uh it seems uh at times in that passage to me that but I know in that passage to me that but I know in that passage to me that but I know God is just and holy that the God is just and holy that the God is just and holy that the consequence was bigger than the sin. consequence was bigger than the sin. consequence was bigger than the sin. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm not saying he didn't sin. >> I'm not saying he didn't sin. >> I'm not saying he didn't sin. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> he sinned. But then there's other times >> he sinned. But then there's other times >> he sinned. But then there's other times in scripture where clearly the in scripture where clearly the in scripture where clearly the consequence to me is less than the sin. consequence to me is less than the sin. consequence to me is less than the sin. So like David commits adultery, murders So like David commits adultery, murders So like David commits adultery, murders Uriah, massive cover up. He Uriah, massive cover up. He Uriah, massive cover up. He >> still rules.

>> still rules. >> still rules. >> He's still the king. >> He's still the king. >> He's still the king. >> Now, uh there his life's really never >> Now, uh there his life's really never >> Now, uh there his life's really never the same. like there's a lot of division the same. like there's a lot of division the same. like there's a lot of division in his house, a lot of fighting in his in his house, a lot of fighting in his in his house, a lot of fighting in his house, house, house, >> but he's still king. >> but he's still king. >> but he's still king. >> Moses like one day and and and God had >> Moses like one day and and and God had >> Moses like one day and and and God had told Moses too, I'm done with these told Moses too, I'm done with these told Moses too, I'm done with these people, you know. [laughter] So God and people, you know. [laughter] So God and people, you know. [laughter] So God and Moses were like on the same page like Moses were like on the same page like Moses were like on the same page like we're done with but uh Moses doesn't um we're done with but uh Moses doesn't um we're done with but uh Moses doesn't um >> doesn't get doesn't get to go into the >> doesn't get doesn't get to go into the >> doesn't get doesn't get to go into the land either. land either. land either. >> Um but hey, he's he's in the land now. >> Um but hey, he's he's in the land now. >> Um but hey, he's he's in the land now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Not that physical land, but he's in >> Not that physical land, but he's in >> Not that physical land, but he's in everlasting He's in a much better land. everlasting He's in a much better land. everlasting He's in a much better land. He's in a much better land, you know. He's in a much better land, you know. He's in a much better land, you know. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> I I'm I'm I Please don't think less of >> I I'm I'm I Please don't think less of >> I I'm I'm I Please don't think less of me for wrestling with why Moses isn't me for wrestling with why Moses isn't me for wrestling with why Moses isn't isn't there. You know, isn't there. You know, isn't there. You know, >> I don't think less of you. Okay. I've >> I don't think less of you. Okay. I've >> I don't think less of you. Okay. I've got I've got questions for God. I have a got I've got questions for God. I have a got I've got questions for God. I have a long list of qu not in doubt, but just long list of qu not in doubt, but just long list of qu not in doubt, but just I'm curious. I'm curious. I'm curious. >> No, I I uh I know that that God is holy >> No, I I uh I know that that God is holy >> No, I I uh I know that that God is holy and I know that that that was a just and I know that that that was a just and I know that that that was a just decision, decision, decision, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> It just is like, wow, I >> It just is like, wow, I >> It just is like, wow, I >> I really wish I would I would like the >> I really wish I would I would like the >> I really wish I would I would like the the account in Numbers to have Moses in the account in Numbers to have Moses in the account in Numbers to have Moses in the land, the land, the land, >> you know?

>> you know? >> you know? >> It's like a good It's a good >> It's like a good It's a good >> It's like a good It's a good >> happy ending. It's a better ending. >> happy ending. It's a better ending. >> happy ending. It's a better ending. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just like I hope Rip and Beth make >> Yeah. Just like I hope Rip and Beth make >> Yeah. Just like I hope Rip and Beth make it. [laughter] it. [laughter] it. [laughter] >> This is >> This is >> This is >> back to Yellowstone. Back to >> back to Yellowstone. Back to >> back to Yellowstone. Back to Yellowstone. Yeah. I just I just hope Yellowstone. Yeah. I just I just hope Yellowstone. Yeah. I just I just hope that I I hope that I I hope that I I hope >> What is What is Don't worry about that. >> What is What is Don't worry about that. >> What is What is Don't worry about that. [laughter] I just hope [laughter] I just hope [laughter] I just hope >> I am still on >> I am still on >> I am still on and I'm I'm fully confident they will. and I'm I'm fully confident they will. and I'm I'm fully confident they will. [laughter] I'm fully confident they [laughter] I'm fully confident they [laughter] I'm fully confident they will. will. will. >> But I was confident Moses would go into >> But I was confident Moses would go into >> But I was confident Moses would go into the land, too. So, there you go. You the land, too. So, there you go. You the land, too. So, there you go. You know. Yeah. know. Yeah. know. Yeah. >> Oh, it's so good. This Yeah. I mean it >> Oh, it's so good. This Yeah. I mean it >> Oh, it's so good. This Yeah. I mean it this is a sad part of the story, but this is a sad part of the story, but this is a sad part of the story, but again I just enjoy the narrative that again I just enjoy the narrative that again I just enjoy the narrative that God gave us. God gave us. God gave us. >> The honesty of the scripture. Yeah, I >> The honesty of the scripture. Yeah, I >> The honesty of the scripture. Yeah, I do. I I I it's one of the the do. I I I it's one of the the do. I I I it's one of the the passages like this and tensions like passages like this and tensions like passages like this and tensions like this this this do do do point to the validity and truthfulness point to the validity and truthfulness point to the validity and truthfulness of scripture. of scripture. of scripture. >> CS Lewis said that >> CS Lewis said that >> CS Lewis said that >> one of the ways he knows that the Bible >> one of the ways he knows that the Bible >> one of the ways he knows that the Bible was true is because this no one would was true is because this no one would was true is because this no one would have made up this story. You know, like have made up this story. You know, like have made up this story. You know, like the just the raw honesty of it. You the just the raw honesty of it. You the just the raw honesty of it. You know, know, know, >> if we made it up, Moses would have made >> if we made it up, Moses would have made >> if we made it up, Moses would have made it into it into it into >> Yes. Exactly.

>> Yes. Exactly. >> Yes. Exactly. >> The chosen people would never have an >> The chosen people would never have an >> The chosen people would never have an issue. Like it would be always they'd be issue. Like it would be always they'd be issue. Like it would be always they'd be the good guys all the time. Exactly. And the good guys all the time. Exactly. And the good guys all the time. Exactly. And then even when you get to Jesus, uh the then even when you get to Jesus, uh the then even when you get to Jesus, uh the disciples would have believed that he disciples would have believed that he disciples would have believed that he was going to rise from the dead and be was going to rise from the dead and be was going to rise from the dead and be waiting at the tomb. waiting at the tomb. waiting at the tomb. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, >> and then ruled and been awesome. >> and then ruled and been awesome. >> and then ruled and been awesome. >> Yeah. But there's just a long account in >> Yeah. But there's just a long account in >> Yeah. But there's just a long account in the scripture of us not getting it, the scripture of us not getting it, the scripture of us not getting it, >> us not being faithful, >> us not being faithful, >> us not being faithful, >> which you read the scripture, you have >> which you read the scripture, you have >> which you read the scripture, you have to then walk away saying, "This is to then walk away saying, "This is to then walk away saying, "This is really not a story about me being really not a story about me being really not a story about me being awesome. It's a story about him being awesome. It's a story about him being awesome. It's a story about him being awesome. It's not a story about my awesome. It's not a story about my awesome. It's not a story about my goodness. It's a story about his goodness. It's a story about his goodness. It's a story about his goodness." goodness." goodness." >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What do we learn from u just how quickly >> What do we learn from u just how quickly >> What do we learn from u just how quickly we saw the fear spread with Caleb having we saw the fear spread with Caleb having we saw the fear spread with Caleb having to quiet the people? It says it's to quiet the people? It says it's to quiet the people? It says it's evident that there were there was fear evident that there were there was fear evident that there were there was fear that that that >> it said it spread through the entire >> it said it spread through the entire >> it said it spread through the entire encampment. encampment. encampment. >> Yeah. 10 spies. >> Yeah. 10 spies. >> Yeah. 10 spies. >> 10 spies come back and it spreads like >> 10 spies come back and it spreads like >> 10 spies come back and it spreads like wildfire, you know. Um and then the the wildfire, you know. Um and then the the wildfire, you know. Um and then the the optimistic faithfilled report of Joshua optimistic faithfilled report of Joshua optimistic faithfilled report of Joshua and Caleb doesn't seem to to go and Caleb doesn't seem to to go and Caleb doesn't seem to to go anywhere. Yeah, anywhere. Yeah, anywhere. Yeah, >> it it is a reminder that I mean there's so many leadership quotes I mean there's so many leadership quotes and cliches that you know what's it one and cliches that you know what's it one and cliches that you know what's it one bad apple messes up the bad apple messes up the bad apple messes up the >> you know you put >> you know you put >> you know you put >> you put a like and it is true if you >> you put a like and it is true if you >> you put a like and it is true if you have an apple that's have an apple that's have an apple that's >> rotten and it's next to other apples it >> rotten and it's next to other apples it >> rotten and it's next to other apples it kind it it spreads it actually spreads kind it it spreads it actually spreads kind it it spreads it actually spreads >> and that that's what happened with this >> and that that's what happened with this >> and that that's what happened with this complaining um complaining and it was complaining um complaining and it was complaining um complaining and it was complaining against God it was complaining against God it was complaining against God it was complaining against his power and his

complaining against his power and his complaining against his power and his goodness and it it really it spread and goodness and it it really it spread and goodness and it it really it spread and people were corrupted. people were corrupted. people were corrupted. >> These 10 corrupted the entire community. >> These 10 corrupted the entire community. >> These 10 corrupted the entire community. >> These 10 corrupted the entire community >> These 10 corrupted the entire community >> These 10 corrupted the entire community and they were supposed they were the and they were supposed they were the and they were supposed they were the leaders of the tribes. They were leaders of the tribes. They were leaders of the tribes. They were supposed to go in. This is this is this supposed to go in. This is this is this supposed to go in. This is this is this is what it was supposed to be. It this is what it was supposed to be. It this is what it was supposed to be. It this is not what happened, but this is what is not what happened, but this is what is not what happened, but this is what it was supposed to be. Hey, God gave a it was supposed to be. Hey, God gave a it was supposed to be. Hey, God gave a gave a promise to Abraham and then it gave a promise to Abraham and then it gave a promise to Abraham and then it was repeated to Isaac and Jacob. Jacob's was repeated to Isaac and Jacob. Jacob's was repeated to Isaac and Jacob. Jacob's name was uh changed to Israel. Israel name was uh changed to Israel. Israel name was uh changed to Israel. Israel had 12 sons. had 12 sons. had 12 sons. >> The 12 tribes camping around the >> The 12 tribes camping around the >> The 12 tribes camping around the tabernacle are the 12 sons. So each tabernacle are the 12 sons. So each tabernacle are the 12 sons. So each tribe is one of the sons. tribe is one of the sons. tribe is one of the sons. >> Let's have a head from each of those >> Let's have a head from each of those >> Let's have a head from each of those tribes. tribes. tribes. >> This is going to be so awesome. >> This is going to be so awesome. >> This is going to be so awesome. >> It's the promise that was made to the >> It's the promise that was made to the >> It's the promise that was made to the patriarch of the whole family. Like one patriarch of the whole family. Like one patriarch of the whole family. Like one one person from each tribe go in and see one person from each tribe go in and see one person from each tribe go in and see guys. This is the land that Abraham guys. This is the land that Abraham guys. This is the land that Abraham heard from God that his ancestors would heard from God that his ancestors would heard from God that his ancestors would be on. We're here. be on. We're here. be on. We're here. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're here. >> We're here. >> We're here. >> Let's go back. Let's go back and tell >> Let's go back. Let's go back and tell >> Let's go back. Let's go back and tell everyone that we have seen the land God everyone that we have seen the land God everyone that we have seen the land God has for us. It is flowing with milk and has for us. It is flowing with milk and has for us. It is flowing with milk and honey. It it the the fruit is amazing. honey. It it the the fruit is amazing. honey. It it the the fruit is amazing. God has been He rescued us from slavery. God has been He rescued us from slavery. God has been He rescued us from slavery. The land that he has for us is The land that he has for us is The land that he has for us is incredible. I saw it. I can't wait to incredible. I saw it. I can't wait to incredible. I saw it. I can't wait to tell you about it. I can't wait for you tell you about it. I can't wait for you tell you about it. I can't wait for you to see it. It's going to be awesome. to see it. It's going to be awesome. to see it. It's going to be awesome. Were there other people in the land? Were there other people in the land? Were there other people in the land? >> There were. There were There were >> There were. There were There were >> There were. There were There were people. It's going to be a challenge. people. It's going to be a challenge. people. It's going to be a challenge. But the God who delivered us from But the God who delivered us from But the God who delivered us from Egyptian slavery. The go The God who's Egyptian slavery. The go The God who's Egyptian slavery. The go The God who's like dropping bread before our tents, like dropping bread before our tents, like dropping bread before our tents, he's got us. He made this. He's kept he's got us. He made this. He's kept he's got us. He made this. He's kept good on every one of his promises. Let's good on every one of his promises. Let's good on every one of his promises. Let's go. Let's go. We're going to That's what go. Let's go. We're going to That's what go. Let's go. We're going to That's what it was supposed to be. And the numbers it was supposed to be. And the numbers it was supposed to be. And the numbers [clears throat] the tw Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat] the tw Yeah. Yeah. [clears throat] the tw Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> That would be it. >> That would be it. >> That would be it. >> That Yeah. The tw That'd be the end. >> That Yeah. The tw That'd be the end. >> That Yeah. The tw That'd be the end. It'd be a much shorter book. We We'd be It'd be a much shorter book. We We'd be It'd be a much shorter book. We We'd be in a new teaching series already. in a new teaching series already. in a new teaching series already. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah. That's That's what it was supposed >> Yeah. That's That's what it was supposed >> Yeah. That's That's what it was supposed to be. M to be. M to be. M >> but the 10 come back >> but the 10 come back >> but the 10 come back >> the opposite >> the opposite >> the opposite >> of that. >> of that. >> of that. >> Dang. >> Dang. >> Dang. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it really does. I >> it really does. I >> it really does. I >> I just would say Yeah. I'm re I'm as I'm >> I just would say Yeah. I'm re I'm as I'm >> I just would say Yeah. I'm re I'm as I'm even recounting it, Lord Jesus, rescue even recounting it, Lord Jesus, rescue even recounting it, Lord Jesus, rescue me from being one of those 10 people.

me from being one of those 10 people. me from being one of those 10 people. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Don't let me be that. >> Don't let me be that. >> Don't let me be that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> I think the the other reminder is like >> I think the the other reminder is like >> I think the the other reminder is like who are you surrounding yourself with who are you surrounding yourself with who are you surrounding yourself with and what voices are they like what are and what voices are they like what are and what voices are they like what are they saying and how they responding to they saying and how they responding to they saying and how they responding to things? I think things? I think things? I think >> e even when we're preaching if we are >> e even when we're preaching if we are >> e even when we're preaching if we are surrounded ourselves with people that surrounded ourselves with people that surrounded ourselves with people that are murmurers and complainers we tend to are murmurers and complainers we tend to are murmurers and complainers we tend to >> become because we are communal people >> become because we are communal people >> become because we are communal people right and so very much you know to to right and so very much you know to to right and so very much you know to to watch your intake and the environment watch your intake and the environment watch your intake and the environment that you're in that you're in that you're in >> are you surrounded by the 10 and you're >> are you surrounded by the 10 and you're >> are you surrounded by the 10 and you're not around the two not around the two not around the two yeah yeah yeah >> yes >> yes >> yes >> who are you trusting to to lead you to >> who are you trusting to to lead you to >> who are you trusting to to lead you to and who are you trusting to follow and who are you trusting to follow and who are you trusting to follow >> gosh I feel like this episode has been >> gosh I feel like this episode has been >> gosh I feel like this episode has been like watching game film like we just like watching game film like we just like watching game film like we just >> Is that something you do regularly No, >> Is that something you do regularly No, >> Is that something you do regularly No, >> you watch game film. >> you watch game film. >> you watch game film. >> Have you Have Have you Have you watched >> Have you Have Have you Have you watched >> Have you Have Have you Have you watched the uh Did you Did you dissect the final the uh Did you Did you dissect the final the uh Did you Did you dissect the final play of of the Knicks Spurs? play of of the Knicks Spurs? play of of the Knicks Spurs? >> Exactly. No, I don't even know what's >> Exactly. No, I don't even know what's >> Exactly. No, I don't even know what's going on in the basketball world, but going on in the basketball world, but going on in the basketball world, but that it just kind of feels like we're in that it just kind of feels like we're in that it just kind of feels like we're in the the the >> I like the analogy. I just I just didn't >> I like the analogy. I just I just didn't >> I like the analogy. I just I just didn't expect it. I just didn't expect It was expect it. I just didn't expect It was expect it. I just didn't expect It was an unexpected analogy from Liz, but I an unexpected analogy from Liz, but I an unexpected analogy from Liz, but I like it. I like the analogy. like it. I like the analogy. like it. I like the analogy. >> Talk Sports and I truly can't say that >> Talk Sports and I truly can't say that >> Talk Sports and I truly can't say that I've ever watched game film, but I do I've ever watched game film, but I do I've ever watched game film, but I do imagine imagine imagine >> you you you watch you watch Georgia >> you you you watch you watch Georgia >> you you you watch you watch Georgia football. I Yeah, but I mean watching football. I Yeah, but I mean watching football. I Yeah, but I mean watching game film like with the coach, the game film like with the coach, the game film like with the coach, the players afterwards where you're like players afterwards where you're like players afterwards where you're like looking at what we did wrong or what you looking at what we did wrong or what you looking at what we did wrong or what you know. You haven't done that. Yeah. Yeah.

know. You haven't done that. Yeah. Yeah. know. You haven't done that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't do that. I don't do that. I don't do that. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I mean, I've watched games, but I've >> I mean, I've watched games, but I've >> I mean, I've watched games, but I've never like sat in a film session, never like sat in a film session, never like sat in a film session, >> you know. I mean, when I was in high >> you know. I mean, when I was in high >> you know. I mean, when I was in high school, uh, a film session, it was a lot school, uh, a film session, it was a lot school, uh, a film session, it was a lot of work. I mean, it was people with of work. I mean, it was people with of work. I mean, it was people with VCRs, you know, and they they Yes. And VCRs, you know, and they they Yes. And VCRs, you know, and they they Yes. And we had a couple of those for like a big we had a couple of those for like a big we had a couple of those for like a big game, but it wasn't um it wasn't like game, but it wasn't um it wasn't like game, but it wasn't um it wasn't like today where I mean they're zooming in on today where I mean they're zooming in on today where I mean they're zooming in on a, you know, like smart television. a, you know, like smart television. a, you know, like smart television. Yeah. It's not like that. Yeah. It's not like that. Yeah. It's not like that. >> Yeah. Quick rewind. >> Yeah. Quick rewind. >> Yeah. Quick rewind. >> Yeah. It's it's it's much more >> Yeah. It's it's it's much more >> Yeah. It's it's it's much more sophisticated today than 1993. sophisticated today than 1993. sophisticated today than 1993. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Took a picture. >> Took a picture. >> Took a picture. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, well, it was fun and I'm really >> Oh, well, it was fun and I'm really >> Oh, well, it was fun and I'm really grateful. I I mean, gosh, an amazing grateful. I I mean, gosh, an amazing grateful. I I mean, gosh, an amazing book. really fun to even get to keep book. really fun to even get to keep book. really fun to even get to keep calling back to Exodus, you know, and calling back to Exodus, you know, and calling back to Exodus, you know, and getting to look at how all of these getting to look at how all of these getting to look at how all of these years of going through God's word years of going through God's word years of going through God's word together. It's going to be fun to together. It's going to be fun to together. It's going to be fun to continue in the narrative, too. So, continue in the narrative, too. So, continue in the narrative, too. So, yeah, thank you so much for my pleasure. yeah, thank you so much for my pleasure. yeah, thank you so much for my pleasure. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for leading Marahim so >> Thanks for leading Marahim so >> Thanks for leading Marahim so faithfully. Appreciate you. faithfully. Appreciate you. faithfully. Appreciate you. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> And thank you guys for joining us for >> And thank you guys for joining us for >> And thank you guys for joining us for the If I Had More Time podcast.