If I Had More Time | The Cure for Our Rebellion

Welcome to the If I Had More Time Welcome to the If I Had More Time podcast. So glad you're joining us podcast. So glad you're joining us podcast. So glad you're joining us today. I'm here with Eric and Kay today. I'm here with Eric and Kay today. I'm here with Eric and Kay Geiger. Geiger. Geiger. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Favorites. Kay, thank you for joining >> Favorites. Kay, thank you for joining >> Favorites. Kay, thank you for joining us. us. us. >> Yes, absolutely. And happy Father's Day. >> Yes, absolutely. And happy Father's Day. >> Yes, absolutely. And happy Father's Day. >> Thank you, baby. >> Thank you, baby. >> Thank you, baby. >> You're welcome. >> You're welcome. >> You're welcome. >> We had to have Kay on for this weekend. >> We had to have Kay on for this weekend. >> We had to have Kay on for this weekend. >> Day weekend? >> Day weekend? >> Day weekend? >> Yes, yes, absolutely. >> Yes, yes, absolutely. >> Yes, yes, absolutely. >> to get some kind of new hoodie, I'm >> to get some kind of new hoodie, I'm >> to get some kind of new hoodie, I'm sure. sure. sure. >> I didn't buy you a hoodie. >> I didn't buy you a hoodie. >> I didn't buy you a hoodie. >> No hoodie this year? >> No hoodie this year? >> No hoodie this year? >> I did not buy you a hoodie. Do you want >> I did not buy you a hoodie. Do you want >> I did not buy you a hoodie. Do you want a You don't need a hoodie. a You don't need a hoodie. a You don't need a hoodie. >> I have plenty hoodies at home. >> I have plenty hoodies at home. >> I have plenty hoodies at home. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It is It is pretty much my go-to outfit. >> It is It is pretty much my go-to outfit. >> It is It is pretty much my go-to outfit. >> A hoodie? >> A hoodie? >> A hoodie? >> Yeah, that's true. >> Yeah, that's true. >> Yeah, that's true. >> That's true. That's Actually, it's going >> That's true. That's Actually, it's going >> That's true. That's Actually, it's going to be a weird Father's Day because Eden to be a weird Father's Day because Eden to be a weird Father's Day because Eden is going to be out of the country. is going to be out of the country. is going to be out of the country. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. >> Yeah, she leaves Yeah, she'll have >> Yeah, she leaves Yeah, she'll have >> Yeah, she leaves Yeah, she'll have already left by the time Father's Day's already left by the time Father's Day's already left by the time Father's Day's here. here. here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then at will be >> And then at will be >> And then at will be I'll have Evie and Roscoe. I'll have Evie and Roscoe. I'll have Evie and Roscoe. >> Evie and Roscoe, yeah. Eden's on a faith >> Evie and Roscoe, yeah. Eden's on a faith >> Evie and Roscoe, yeah. Eden's on a faith adventure with our um young adults in adventure with our um young adults in adventure with our um young adults in Egypt, which you and I were on that Egypt, which you and I were on that Egypt, which you and I were on that trip, a bunch of us, like 10, 12 of us, trip, a bunch of us, like 10, 12 of us, trip, a bunch of us, like 10, 12 of us, you, Roddy. you, Roddy. you, Roddy. >> Yes, and Evie. >> Yes, and Evie. >> Yes, and Evie. >> And Evie was there. >> And Evie was there. >> And Evie was there. >> and Roddy married yet? >> and Roddy married yet? >> and Roddy married yet? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No. No, they weren't married. >> No. No, they weren't married. >> No. No, they weren't married. >> Wait, y'all weren't married yet? >> Wait, y'all weren't married yet? >> Wait, y'all weren't married yet? >> No, we were we were dating. >> No, we were we were dating. >> No, we were we were dating. >> Gosh, that was Is that long ago that >> Gosh, that was Is that long ago that >> Gosh, that was Is that long ago that that we went to Egypt? that we went to Egypt? that we went to Egypt? >> Yes, we did get married pretty quickly, >> Yes, we did get married pretty quickly, >> Yes, we did get married pretty quickly, so that might be why.

so that might be why. so that might be why. >> always [laughter] affirmed that. >> always [laughter] affirmed that. >> always [laughter] affirmed that. >> That might be why you love that. >> That might be why you love that. >> That might be why you love that. >> I've always I've always >> I've always I've always >> I've always I've always I've always affirmed that. And the I've always affirmed that. And the I've always affirmed that. And the reason Evie's home is because for those reason Evie's home is because for those reason Evie's home is because for those who who have been following along who who have been following along who who have been following along know that we had planned for Evie to know that we had planned for Evie to know that we had planned for Evie to spend the whole summer in Uganda with spend the whole summer in Uganda with spend the whole summer in Uganda with some of our partners, but we can't some of our partners, but we can't some of our partners, but we can't travel to Uganda right now because of travel to Uganda right now because of travel to Uganda right now because of the Ebola break break out, which is the Ebola break break out, which is the Ebola break break out, which is mainly Congo, but it's also some in mainly Congo, but it's also some in mainly Congo, but it's also some in Uganda. Uganda. Uganda. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so it was really sad because Evie >> And so it was really sad because Evie >> And so it was really sad because Evie spent 9 months praying about spent 9 months praying about spent 9 months praying about about being in Uganda. about being in Uganda. about being in Uganda. >> excited about going. >> excited about going. >> excited about going. >> so sad. >> so sad. >> so sad. >> Yeah, just to be clear, Evie wanted to >> Yeah, just to be clear, Evie wanted to >> Yeah, just to be clear, Evie wanted to go. We weren't just shipping her to go. We weren't just shipping her to go. We weren't just shipping her to Uganda. Uganda. Uganda. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And she probably would have gone with >> And she probably would have gone with >> And she probably would have gone with Ebola, but we're at that point we're Ebola, but we're at that point we're Ebola, but we're at that point we're like as mom and dad, we have to say you like as mom and dad, we have to say you like as mom and dad, we have to say you you can't go to Uganda with this. you can't go to Uganda with this. you can't go to Uganda with this. >> Yeah. Yeah, it it just Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, it it just Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, it it just Yeah. >> And I don't even know right now if you >> And I don't even know right now if you >> And I don't even know right now if you if you went to Uganda, if you if you went to Uganda, if you if you went to Uganda, if you >> I think you have to quarantine in Europe >> I think you have to quarantine in Europe >> I think you have to quarantine in Europe before you come home. before you come home. before you come home. >> For like a month or something? >> For like a month or something? >> For like a month or something? >> weeks, yeah. >> weeks, yeah. >> weeks, yeah. >> Oh, that wouldn't work. She has school. >> Oh, that wouldn't work. She has school. >> Oh, that wouldn't work. She has school. >> That yep, right. >> That yep, right. >> That yep, right. >> At least current >> At least current >> At least current >> And she's 16. >> And she's 16. >> And she's 16. >> At least currently from when we're >> At least currently from when we're >> At least currently from when we're filming, that is the current rules. So filming, that is the current rules. So filming, that is the current rules. So it could it could change when the it could it could change when the it could it could change when the person's listening to this, but person's listening to this, but person's listening to this, but >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Father's Day, babe. >> Father's Day, babe. >> Father's Day, babe. >> Thank you, babe. >> Thank you, babe. >> Thank you, babe. >> You you really are an amazing dad. >> You you really are an amazing dad. >> You you really are an amazing dad. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> You really have always been. I remember >> You really have always been. I remember >> You really have always been. I remember that little little time in our life cuz that little little time in our life cuz that little little time in our life cuz we got married young. I was like, I we got married young. I was like, I we got married young. I was like, I don't think he likes kids. That's okay don't think he likes kids. That's okay don't think he likes kids. That's okay cuz we were you were a youth pastor. cuz we were you were a youth pastor. cuz we were you were a youth pastor. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I'll just be the parent until they >> I I'll just be the parent until they >> I I'll just be the parent until they become teenagers and then I'll give them become teenagers and then I'll give them become teenagers and then I'll give them to [laughter] Eric. to [laughter] Eric. to [laughter] Eric. >> I thought that I thought that was I >> I thought that I thought that was I >> I thought that I thought that was I thought that was a good deal. thought that was a good deal. thought that was a good deal. >> Yeah, I think it great divide and >> Yeah, I think it great divide and >> Yeah, I think it great divide and conquer. conquer. conquer. >> not what happened. I I loved having I >> not what happened. I I loved having I >> not what happened. I I loved having I loved them so much when they were loved them so much when they were loved them so much when they were little. Yeah. It was such a fun stage. little. Yeah. It was such a fun stage. little. Yeah. It was such a fun stage. >> Oh, and I love the teenagers. >> Oh, and I love the teenagers. >> Oh, and I love the teenagers. >> But this stage is super fun, too. >> But this stage is super fun, too. >> But this stage is super fun, too. >> Yeah, I love this stage. I think >> Yeah, I love this stage. I think >> Yeah, I love this stage. I think something that um I we've talked about something that um I we've talked about something that um I we've talked about it before on the podcast with both of it before on the podcast with both of it before on the podcast with both of you is K you put together super you is K you put together super you is K you put together super thoughtful dad books. thoughtful dad books. thoughtful dad books. >> daddy books. >> daddy books. >> daddy books. >> The daddy books. >> The daddy books. >> The daddy books. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I've almost texted you about it >> Yeah. I've almost texted you about it >> Yeah. I've almost texted you about it recently cuz I think I should start recently cuz I think I should start recently cuz I think I should start that. that. that. >> You should start that. >> You should start that. >> You should start that. >> Can you remind us what this is? How do I >> Can you remind us what this is? How do I >> Can you remind us what this is? How do I do it? do it? do it? >> I I'm quite certain. >> I I'm quite certain. >> I I'm quite certain. >> Eric said it was what he would pull if >> Eric said it was what he would pull if >> Eric said it was what he would pull if the house was on fire. the house was on fire. the house was on fire. >> Totally right. >> Totally right. >> Totally right. >> he would grab. >> he would grab. >> he would grab. >> That's right. And I said Roscoe. >> That's right. And I said Roscoe. >> That's right. And I said Roscoe. Special. Special. Special. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> No, they're they're they're they're the >> No, they're they're they're they're the >> No, they're they're they're they're the most valuable physical possession that I most valuable physical possession that I most valuable physical possession that I have. have. have. >> So, it's basically it's a scrapbook. I I >> So, it's basically it's a scrapbook. I I >> So, it's basically it's a scrapbook. I I don't have no idea where I got this idea don't have no idea where I got this idea don't have no idea where I got this idea from. I'm quite positive it wasn't from. I'm quite positive it wasn't from. I'm quite positive it wasn't original. But um original. But um original. But um each year the girls add a page. So, when each year the girls add a page. So, when each year the girls add a page. So, when they were little, I would write the note they were little, I would write the note they were little, I would write the note and then they would you know, when they and then they would you know, when they and then they would you know, when they got old enough to cut the pictures, they got old enough to cut the pictures, they got old enough to cut the pictures, they would cut the pictures and I would sit would cut the pictures and I would sit would cut the pictures and I would sit at the computer and type the note while at the computer and type the note while at the computer and type the note while they and I would type anything they they and I would type anything they they and I would type anything they said. I think when they were little, I said. I think when they were little, I said. I think when they were little, I would say, "What are your five favorite would say, "What are your five favorite would say, "What are your five favorite things you did with Daddy this this things you did with Daddy this this things you did with Daddy this this year?"

year?" year?" >> Oh, sweet. >> Oh, sweet. >> Oh, sweet. >> find pictures to match them, you know. >> find pictures to match them, you know. >> find pictures to match them, you know. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> And um but now they do them themselves. >> And um but now they do them themselves. >> And um but now they do them themselves. Like now, you know, for a long time Like now, you know, for a long time Like now, you know, for a long time they've been doing You can just kind of they've been doing You can just kind of they've been doing You can just kind of see the progression over the years. see the progression over the years. see the progression over the years. >> Yeah, I mean from age 1 age 18's a big >> Yeah, I mean from age 1 age 18's a big >> Yeah, I mean from age 1 age 18's a big difference. difference. difference. >> yeah, Eden's book will have 19 pages >> yeah, Eden's book will have 19 pages >> yeah, Eden's book will have 19 pages this year. this year. this year. >> Is it I'm assuming >> Is it I'm assuming >> Is it I'm assuming are you adding a page or or do we have are you adding a page or or do we have are you adding a page or or do we have to move to a second book because are we to move to a second book because are we to move to a second book because are we >> This is her last page. >> This is her last page. >> This is her last page. >> It's the last page. I thought it was. >> It's the last page. I thought it was. >> It's the last page. I thought it was. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This I mean you can add pages. It's a >> This I mean you can add pages. It's a >> This I mean you can add pages. It's a scrapbook. You can add pages, you know, scrapbook. You can add pages, you know, scrapbook. You can add pages, you know, but but but >> But from the original what it came with >> But from the original what it came with >> But from the original what it came with this is the last page. this is the last page. this is the last page. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Oh my gosh. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Yeah, this is the last page. Yeah, this is the last page. Yeah, this is the last page. >> That is a metaphor of how fast parenting >> That is a metaphor of how fast parenting >> That is a metaphor of how fast parenting goes by. goes by. goes by. >> Yeah. Oh my >> Yeah. Oh my >> Yeah. Oh my >> 18 pages. >> 18 pages. >> 18 pages. >> 19 >> 19 >> 19 19 pages. 19 pages. 19 pages. >> Yeah, 19 pages. >> Yeah, 19 pages. >> Yeah, 19 pages. >> 19 pages. >> 19 pages. >> 19 pages. >> gosh. >> gosh. >> gosh. >> Damn. >> Damn. >> Damn. >> It's so crazy. >> It's so crazy. >> It's so crazy. >> Yeah, it's kind of sad. So, anyway, so I >> Yeah, it's kind of sad. So, anyway, so I >> Yeah, it's kind of sad. So, anyway, so I don't know if she'll give that to you don't know if she'll give that to you don't know if she'll give that to you before she leaves or when she gets back, before she leaves or when she gets back, before she leaves or when she gets back, but but but >> E- either one I'll I'll I'll be happy. >> E- either one I'll I'll I'll be happy. >> E- either one I'll I'll I'll be happy. >> Yeah. So, that's that's kind of the >> Yeah. So, that's that's kind of the >> Yeah. So, that's that's kind of the always his main thing. And I guess a always his main thing. And I guess a always his main thing. And I guess a hoodie which I didn't get this year, but hoodie which I didn't get this year, but hoodie which I didn't get this year, but he'll survive. he'll survive. he'll survive. >> I'll I'll >> I'll I'll >> I'll I'll I got I have enough. I got I have enough. I got I have enough. >> wear last year's. He [laughter] can wear >> wear last year's. He [laughter] can wear >> wear last year's. He [laughter] can wear the other 10 he has.

the other 10 he has. the other 10 he has. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, it is I'm I'm excited to celebrate >> Well, it is I'm I'm excited to celebrate >> Well, it is I'm I'm excited to celebrate with all the dads in our church this with all the dads in our church this with all the dads in our church this weekend. We do. We we love our dads, weekend. We do. We we love our dads, weekend. We do. We we love our dads, honor them, really grateful for honor them, really grateful for honor them, really grateful for both the dads and spiritual dads of our both the dads and spiritual dads of our both the dads and spiritual dads of our church. church. church. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> We're in the book of Numbers, week four, >> We're in the book of Numbers, week four, >> We're in the book of Numbers, week four, in chapter 16, a big old rebellion. I in chapter 16, a big old rebellion. I in chapter 16, a big old rebellion. I have to say when you were talking about have to say when you were talking about have to say when you were talking about how we cheer for the rebels, even like how we cheer for the rebels, even like how we cheer for the rebels, even like in all of your favorite movies in all of your favorite movies in all of your favorite movies >> Like do you do that, too? >> Like do you do that, too? >> Like do you do that, too? >> Well, yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> I bet you don't do that. >> I bet you don't do that. >> I bet you don't do that. >> I think it's I think it's in all of us. >> I think it's I think it's in all of us. >> I think it's I think it's in all of us. >> Otherwise they wouldn't keep making >> Otherwise they wouldn't keep making >> Otherwise they wouldn't keep making movies where rebels are get cheered for. movies where rebels are get cheered for. movies where rebels are get cheered for. >> No, the rebellion is always like a a >> No, the rebellion is always like a a >> No, the rebellion is always like a a group you want to you want to see group you want to you want to see group you want to you want to see succeed in a lot of movies. Most of them succeed in a lot of movies. Most of them succeed in a lot of movies. Most of them though are moral now that I think about though are moral now that I think about though are moral now that I think about it. I'm not sure this is the kind of it. I'm not sure this is the kind of it. I'm not sure this is the kind of rebellion that we'd want to root for. rebellion that we'd want to root for. rebellion that we'd want to root for. >> Yeah. I guess most of them are moral. >> Yeah. I guess most of them are moral. >> Yeah. I guess most of them are moral. >> But you could you could frame [laughter] >> But you could you could frame [laughter] >> But you could you could frame [laughter] you could frame it. You could you could frame it. You could you could frame it. You could >> That's fair. >> That's fair. >> That's fair. >> You could frame it like that, you know, >> You could frame it like that, you know, >> You could frame it like that, you know, like I mean if someone wanted to take like I mean if someone wanted to take like I mean if someone wanted to take this passage and frame it like this passage and frame it like this passage and frame it like this is just would be a dark angle, but this is just would be a dark angle, but this is just would be a dark angle, but to root for the bad guys in this to root for the bad guys in this to root for the bad guys in this passage, it would be they're passage, it would be they're passage, it would be they're representing people who feel that they representing people who feel that they representing people who feel that they aren't that they're not treated like aren't that they're not treated like aren't that they're not treated like Moses and Aaron are Moses and Aaron are Moses and Aaron are and they're they're going against Moses and they're they're going against Moses and they're they're going against Moses and Aaron for the sake of these other and Aaron for the sake of these other and Aaron for the sake of these other people.

people. people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um they >> Um they >> Um they they they they believe everyone should they they they believe everyone should they they they believe everyone should have the same act I mean you could have the same act I mean you could have the same act I mean you could totally see how in modern language totally see how in modern language totally see how in modern language >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> this could be framed as >> this could be framed as >> this could be framed as >> Everyone should have the same rights. >> Everyone should have the same rights. >> Everyone should have the same rights. Why do you get to do something we don't Why do you get to do something we don't Why do you get to do something we don't get to do? Yeah. get to do? Yeah. get to do? Yeah. We do say these things. We do say these things. We do say these things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But and and >> But and and >> But and and again this is an Old Testament account. again this is an Old Testament account. again this is an Old Testament account. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> There there was some truth in what they >> There there was some truth in what they >> There there was some truth in what they were saying. God did care for the whole were saying. God did care for the whole were saying. God did care for the whole community. All the whole community was community. All the whole community was community. All the whole community was holy. But there was some non-true things holy. But there was some non-true things holy. But there was some non-true things they were saying. Moses had not they were saying. Moses had not they were saying. Moses had not elevated himself as if he was better elevated himself as if he was better elevated himself as if he was better than everybody. He he he often said than everybody. He he he often said than everybody. He he he often said God would you please have someone else God would you please have someone else God would you please have someone else lead? I don't want to lead these people lead? I don't want to lead these people lead? I don't want to lead these people anymore. anymore. anymore. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it wasn't only what they were saying >> And it wasn't only what they were saying >> And it wasn't only what they were saying but how they were saying it. but how they were saying it. but how they were saying it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Often times grumbling isn't what is said >> Often times grumbling isn't what is said >> Often times grumbling isn't what is said but how it's said. but how it's said. but how it's said. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know? And grumbling and complaining >> You know? And grumbling and complaining >> You know? And grumbling and complaining often is mixed truths and untruths mixed often is mixed truths and untruths mixed often is mixed truths and untruths mixed together. together. together. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which that's what we saw here. >> Which that's what we saw here. >> Which that's what we saw here. >> I loved how you said they about >> I loved how you said they about >> I loved how you said they about complainers unite. complainers unite. complainers unite. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Meant that could not be more true. >> Meant that could not be more true. >> Meant that could not be more true. I mean I feel like I've seen that in I mean I feel like I've seen that in I mean I feel like I've seen that in every area of my life. I remember every area of my life. I remember every area of my life. I remember when I first started teaching I'm pretty when I first started teaching I'm pretty when I first started teaching I'm pretty sure my mom told me like be careful in sure my mom told me like be careful in sure my mom told me like be careful in the teachers lounge. I don't think I had the teachers lounge. I don't think I had the teachers lounge. I don't think I had any idea what she meant. But any idea what she meant. But any idea what she meant. But at my first at my first at my first second maybe every school I don't know second maybe every school I don't know second maybe every school I don't know but the teachers lounge you know it's a but the teachers lounge you know it's a but the teachers lounge you know it's a it's a safe place for teachers to be it's a safe place for teachers to be it's a safe place for teachers to be which can often create you know where which can often create you know where which can often create you know where they're talking critically of like kids they're talking critically of like kids they're talking critically of like kids and and and I don't know all kinds of stuff. I don't know all kinds of stuff. I don't know all kinds of stuff. >> And a reminder your mom was cafeteria >> And a reminder your mom was cafeteria >> And a reminder your mom was cafeteria worker so she had seen that before which worker so she had seen that before which worker so she had seen that before which is why she's saying be careful about the is why she's saying be careful about the is why she's saying be careful about the teachers lounge. teachers lounge. teachers lounge. >> Yeah I think she just wanted me to be >> Yeah I think she just wanted me to be >> Yeah I think she just wanted me to be careful not to get sucked in and and I careful not to get sucked in and and I careful not to get sucked in and and I did get sucked in. Like sometimes I was did get sucked in. Like sometimes I was did get sucked in. Like sometimes I was like yeah you're right they're horrible like yeah you're right they're horrible like yeah you're right they're horrible you know whatever and then I started you know whatever and then I started you know whatever and then I started realizing this isn't making me love my realizing this isn't making me love my realizing this isn't making me love my students more. students more. students more. >> It can be exhausting. >> It can be exhausting. >> It can be exhausting. >> And so I just know, I just quit doing >> And so I just know, I just quit doing >> And so I just know, I just quit doing that um pretty pretty quick pretty that um pretty pretty quick pretty that um pretty pretty quick pretty pretty soon pretty after I started pretty soon pretty after I started pretty soon pretty after I started teaching. But that that that flows over teaching. But that that that flows over teaching. But that that that flows over into lots of other areas like into lots of other areas like into lots of other areas like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think I learned this. I wish I had >> I think I learned this. I wish I had >> I think I learned this. I wish I had learned this sooner. But if someone a learned this sooner. But if someone a learned this sooner. But if someone a group or even a person isn't helping me group or even a person isn't helping me group or even a person isn't helping me love Eric Moore, like they're constantly love Eric Moore, like they're constantly love Eric Moore, like they're constantly complaining about their husband and then complaining about their husband and then complaining about their husband and then I'm like I'm like I'm like Hmm, yeah. Maybe that's me, too. You Hmm, yeah. Maybe that's me, too. You Hmm, yeah. Maybe that's me, too. You know, then I I I can't spend a lot of know, then I I I can't spend a lot of know, then I I I can't spend a lot of time with that person.

time with that person. time with that person. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now you you you aren't saying that >> Now you you you aren't saying that >> Now you you you aren't saying that there's a group of people that say, there's a group of people that say, there's a group of people that say, "Hey, let's get together and complain "Hey, let's get together and complain "Hey, let's get together and complain about Eric." You're saying it's about Eric." You're saying it's about Eric." You're saying it's >> No, no, no. They're own husbands. >> No, no, no. They're own husbands. >> No, no, no. They're own husbands. >> Yeah, their own husbands. >> Yeah, their own husbands. >> Yeah, their own husbands. >> I mean they're my thing. >> I mean they're my thing. >> I mean they're my thing. >> Not that we know. >> Not that we know. >> [laughter] >> I mean >> I mean >> I mean >> But but >> But but >> But but >> I've never been to that group. >> I've never been to that group. >> I've never been to that group. >> No, you're right. Thank you. But I but >> No, you're right. Thank you. But I but >> No, you're right. Thank you. But I but but I I've heard that happen on with but I I've heard that happen on with but I I've heard that happen on with both both both Honestly, men's side men's studies or Honestly, men's side men's studies or Honestly, men's side men's studies or women's studies or men's prayer times or women's studies or men's prayer times or women's studies or men's prayer times or what where if without a good leader, you what where if without a good leader, you what where if without a good leader, you know, we we train our leaders our life know, we we train our leaders our life know, we we train our leaders our life group leaders here and so group leaders here and so group leaders here and so I I would I would I I would I would I I would I would with all optimism believe this isn't with all optimism believe this isn't with all optimism believe this isn't happening here. But if a if if a happening here. But if a if if a happening here. But if a if if a leader's not trained and a leader's not leader's not trained and a leader's not leader's not trained and a leader's not wise, a leader could allow a group to wise, a leader could allow a group to wise, a leader could allow a group to become a "Hey, let me let me tell you become a "Hey, let me let me tell you become a "Hey, let me let me tell you what's happening with my wife." or "Let what's happening with my wife." or "Let what's happening with my wife." or "Let me tell you what's happening with my me tell you what's happening with my me tell you what's happening with my husband." and it then it gets unhelpful husband." and it then it gets unhelpful husband." and it then it gets unhelpful and it turns into under the guise of and it turns into under the guise of and it turns into under the guise of "I'm I'm asking for prayer." turns into "I'm I'm asking for prayer." turns into "I'm I'm asking for prayer." turns into a complaint session which then this like a complaint session which then this like a complaint session which then this like this Well, I'm going to say this, too. this Well, I'm going to say this, too. this Well, I'm going to say this, too. And And And you know, and then it be it becomes I you know, and then it be it becomes I you know, and then it be it becomes I it's just not healthy.

it's just not healthy. it's just not healthy. >> It's a very I just want to be super >> It's a very I just want to be super >> It's a very I just want to be super clear. It's a very different thing than clear. It's a very different thing than clear. It's a very different thing than every once in a while someone saying every once in a while someone saying every once in a while someone saying Let's just say you had a problem with Let's just say you had a problem with Let's just say you had a problem with Roddy. I'm sure that could never happen. Roddy. I'm sure that could never happen. Roddy. I'm sure that could never happen. Let's just say you had He's so perfect. Let's just say you had He's so perfect. Let's just say you had He's so perfect. Let's just say you came to me and you're Let's just say you came to me and you're Let's just say you came to me and you're like, "So, Kate, I need some advice on like, "So, Kate, I need some advice on like, "So, Kate, I need some advice on this. Like Roddy blah blah blah." Okay, this. Like Roddy blah blah blah." Okay, this. Like Roddy blah blah blah." Okay, that's that's not what I'm talking that's that's not what I'm talking that's that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is that about. What I'm talking about is that about. What I'm talking about is that someone every time you're with them, someone every time you're with them, someone every time you're with them, they're complaining about their husband. they're complaining about their husband. they're complaining about their husband. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You don't want to be in that group You don't want to be in that group You don't want to be in that group because because it pulls out the worst because because it pulls out the worst because because it pulls out the worst in you. in you. in you. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> And and additionally, >> And and additionally, >> And and additionally, um um um what you said about, you know, people what you said about, you know, people what you said about, you know, people being like, "Everybody comes to me to being like, "Everybody comes to me to being like, "Everybody comes to me to share their, you know, feelings or share their, you know, feelings or share their, you know, feelings or whatever." You got to check yourself if whatever." You got to check yourself if whatever." You got to check yourself if that's true. that's true. that's true. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That is if if I hear someone say that, >> That is if if I hear someone say that, >> That is if if I hear someone say that, I'm like, "Okay, that's that's that's a I'm like, "Okay, that's that's that's a I'm like, "Okay, that's that's that's a flag." flag." flag." >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I mean, there is a reason people come to >> I mean, there is a reason people come to >> I mean, there is a reason people come to you. If you're the person people always you. If you're the person people always you. If you're the person people always come to you to talk about somebody else, come to you to talk about somebody else, come to you to talk about somebody else, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> it's a pretty good indication you've >> it's a pretty good indication you've >> it's a pretty good indication you've probably never said, "Hey, if you have a probably never said, "Hey, if you have a probably never said, "Hey, if you have a problem with Liz, you should go to Liz." problem with Liz, you should go to Liz." problem with Liz, you should go to Liz." >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> You can put a stop to it. >> You can put a stop to it. >> You can put a stop to it. >> Absolutely you can put a stop to it. >> Absolutely you can put a stop to it. >> Absolutely you can put a stop to it. >> Well, I've I've heard you for years tell >> Well, I've I've heard you for years tell >> Well, I've I've heard you for years tell our kids, "Hey, if if people come to you our kids, "Hey, if if people come to you our kids, "Hey, if if people come to you and or come or talk and smack about some and or come or talk and smack about some and or come or talk and smack about some someone else in your friend group, just someone else in your friend group, just someone else in your friend group, just realize they're going to do the same realize they're going to do the same realize they're going to do the same thing."

thing." thing." >> It is true >> It is true >> It is true >> They're going to do the same thing to >> They're going to do the same thing to >> They're going to do the same thing to you. you. you. >> It's true for teenagers. It is true for >> It's true for teenagers. It is true for >> It's true for teenagers. It is true for adults. adults. adults. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If someone is talking critically of one >> If someone is talking critically of one >> If someone is talking critically of one person, they will also talk critically person, they will also talk critically person, they will also talk critically >> They'll do that to you, too. >> They'll do that to you, too. >> They'll do that to you, too. >> when you're not there. >> when you're not there. >> when you're not there. >> They'll do it to you. >> They'll do it to you. >> They'll do it to you. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. I mean, it's I mean, it's I mean, it's Yeah. I mean, you got to decide if you Yeah. I mean, you got to decide if you Yeah. I mean, you got to decide if you want to deal with that or not. I want to deal with that or not. I want to deal with that or not. I personally do not. personally do not. personally do not. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah. Don't be the person that >> So, yeah. Don't be the person that >> So, yeah. Don't be the person that people think they can come to and people think they can come to and people think they can come to and complain. complain. complain. >> K's always, which I've totally >> K's always, which I've totally >> K's always, which I've totally appreciated, I've loved this about what appreciated, I've loved this about what appreciated, I've loved this about what it's meant for our marriage and our it's meant for our marriage and our it's meant for our marriage and our family. family. family. >> no idea what you're about to say right >> no idea what you're about to say right >> no idea what you're about to say right now. now. now. >> No, I'm saying something really good. >> No, I'm saying something really good. >> No, I'm saying something really good. You've always wanted to lower the drama You've always wanted to lower the drama You've always wanted to lower the drama quotient. quotient. quotient. >> It's just so not >> It's just so not >> It's just so not >> Just wanted a great goal to have. >> Just wanted a great goal to have. >> Just wanted a great goal to have. >> to lower >> to lower >> to lower the drama. Their their life is the drama. Their their life is the drama. Their their life is challenging enough without it. challenging enough without it. challenging enough without it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There there are and we've faced There >> There there are and we've faced There >> There there are and we've faced There there are challenges in the wild, in the there are challenges in the wild, in the there are challenges in the wild, in the wilderness. And there's more coming. We wilderness. And there's more coming. We wilderness. And there's more coming. We live in a broken and fallen world. So, live in a broken and fallen world. So, live in a broken and fallen world. So, it it if it's up to you, it it if it's up to you, it it if it's up to you, it's just great to lower the drama. it's just great to lower the drama. it's just great to lower the drama. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And we have daughters. We don't have to >> And we have daughters. We don't have to >> And we have daughters. We don't have to feed the drama. feed the drama. feed the drama. >> It's natural. [laughter] >> It's natural. [laughter] >> It's natural. [laughter] >> It just comes naturally.

>> It just comes naturally. >> It just comes naturally. >> So, I don't know. We if even even if >> So, I don't know. We if even even if >> So, I don't know. We if even even if they're frustrated with someone, I'm not they're frustrated with someone, I'm not they're frustrated with someone, I'm not saying I never listen to their saying I never listen to their saying I never listen to their frustrations cuz I do, but I still point frustrations cuz I do, but I still point frustrations cuz I do, but I still point them back and I say, "Okay, you have a them back and I say, "Okay, you have a them back and I say, "Okay, you have a choice now. We're not going to talk choice now. We're not going to talk choice now. We're not going to talk about it anymore." about it anymore." about it anymore." >> The more that they talk about it, the >> The more that they talk about it, the >> The more that they talk about it, the more they're going to think about it. more they're going to think about it. more they're going to think about it. >> tells your heart how to feel. >> tells your heart how to feel. >> tells your heart how to feel. >> Yeah, the more you say it, the more your >> Yeah, the more you say it, the more your >> Yeah, the more you say it, the more your heart's going to believe it. And so, you heart's going to believe it. And so, you heart's going to believe it. And so, you let's share it one time, but then let's let's share it one time, but then let's let's share it one time, but then let's move on move on move on >> Or talk to the person. >> Or talk to the person. >> Or talk to the person. >> the more that we talk about it, the more >> the more that we talk about it, the more >> the more that we talk about it, the more it's going to it's going to it's going to going to corrode our own hearts and going to corrode our own hearts and going to corrode our own hearts and minds. minds. minds. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> This is great. This is good stuff. I >> This is great. This is good stuff. I >> This is great. This is good stuff. I feel like I could keep following you to feel like I could keep following you to feel like I could keep following you to these these these >> never do that. I'm just I just have seen >> never do that. I'm just I just have seen >> never do that. I'm just I just have seen it over time it will completely destroy it over time it will completely destroy it over time it will completely destroy >> gossip >> gossip >> gossip >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> and complaining destroys relationships. >> and complaining destroys relationships. >> and complaining destroys relationships. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It destroys. >> It destroys. >> It destroys. >> Yeah, it does. >> Yeah, it does. >> Yeah, it does. >> Trust is broken. It's very hard to >> Trust is broken. It's very hard to >> Trust is broken. It's very hard to rebuild. rebuild. rebuild. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Words hurt. They have a huge impact. >> Words hurt. They have a huge impact. >> Words hurt. They have a huge impact. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, God takes them seriously. We see >> I mean, God takes them seriously. We see >> I mean, God takes them seriously. We see that here. that here. that here. >> Yeah, I wanted to go there. I mean, >> Yeah, I wanted to go there. I mean, >> Yeah, I wanted to go there. I mean, we're talking about this passage in we're talking about this passage in we're talking about this passage in Numbers 16. We saw a very severe Numbers 16. We saw a very severe Numbers 16. We saw a very severe consequence for what happened to the consequence for what happened to the consequence for what happened to the complainers and for their forgetfulness complainers and for their forgetfulness complainers and for their forgetfulness of who God was, but um you guys are of who God was, but um you guys are of who God was, but um you guys are touching on it now already, but there's touching on it now already, but there's touching on it now already, but there's there's consequences today, too. We there's consequences today, too. We there's consequences today, too. We don't know we might not necessarily get don't know we might not necessarily get don't know we might not necessarily get swallowed up or swallowed up or swallowed up or >> Right.

>> Right. >> Right. >> consumed by fire, but what are the >> consumed by fire, but what are the >> consumed by fire, but what are the consequences? consequences? consequences? >> For rebellion and complaining. >> For rebellion and complaining. >> For rebellion and complaining. >> Yeah, rebellion, complaining >> Yeah, rebellion, complaining >> Yeah, rebellion, complaining >> I think you you you can answer two ways. >> I think you you you can answer two ways. >> I think you you you can answer two ways. You can answer the rebellion way and You can answer the rebellion way and You can answer the rebellion way and then answer the complaining way. And and then answer the complaining way. And and then answer the complaining way. And and this this this this is really a mixture of both. this is really a mixture of both. this is really a mixture of both. The complaining, the consequence of The complaining, the consequence of The complaining, the consequence of complaining, even if God doesn't open a complaining, even if God doesn't open a complaining, even if God doesn't open a sinkhole and swallow you, which as I sinkhole and swallow you, which as I sinkhole and swallow you, which as I understand hasn't happened since this understand hasn't happened since this understand hasn't happened since this moment. moment. moment. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And sometimes people when they read the >> And sometimes people when they read the >> And sometimes people when they read the Old Testament and see these these Old Testament and see these these Old Testament and see these these moments of God's wrath really wrestle. moments of God's wrath really wrestle. moments of God's wrath really wrestle. The reality is The reality is The reality is if you wrestle with that, then you if you wrestle with that, then you if you wrestle with that, then you probably if you're thinking logically probably if you're thinking logically probably if you're thinking logically would wrestle with the cross of Jesus would wrestle with the cross of Jesus would wrestle with the cross of Jesus even more. even more. even more. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because Jesus is fully innocent. He's >> Because Jesus is fully innocent. He's >> Because Jesus is fully innocent. He's the only innocent one, you know, the the only innocent one, you know, the the only innocent one, you know, the lamb without blemish or defect, and he lamb without blemish or defect, and he lamb without blemish or defect, and he experiences the wrath of God. This is experiences the wrath of God. This is experiences the wrath of God. This is people experiencing the wrath of God who people experiencing the wrath of God who people experiencing the wrath of God who were not innocent. While it's an extreme were not innocent. While it's an extreme were not innocent. While it's an extreme story, the ground opening up and being story, the ground opening up and being story, the ground opening up and being swallowed, swallowed, swallowed, Jesus on the cross absorbs all the Jesus on the cross absorbs all the Jesus on the cross absorbs all the wrath. So, for those of us who believe wrath. So, for those of us who believe wrath. So, for those of us who believe there's no wrath left for us, but there there's no wrath left for us, but there there's no wrath left for us, but there still are consequences. And so, still are consequences. And so, still are consequences. And so, consequences for complaining, consequences for complaining, consequences for complaining, we see in the text, we see in the text, we see in the text, a consequence is you're going to you're a consequence is you're going to you're a consequence is you're going to you're going to dull your mind, you're going to going to dull your mind, you're going to going to dull your mind, you're going to dull your thinking, you're not going to dull your thinking, you're not going to dull your thinking, you're not going to become wise. They are saying that their become wise. They are saying that their become wise. They are saying that their land of Egypt was milk and honey. So, if land of Egypt was milk and honey. So, if land of Egypt was milk and honey. So, if you are a complaining person, you are you are a complaining person, you are you are a complaining person, you are going to self-deceive yourself into not going to self-deceive yourself into not going to self-deceive yourself into not being a person filled with wisdom. You being a person filled with wisdom. You being a person filled with wisdom. You are going to lower We We saw this in the

are going to lower We We saw this in the are going to lower We We saw this in the I think the first week of the series, I think the first week of the series, I think the first week of the series, you actually become you actually become you actually become more dumb. You know, you more dumb. You know, you more dumb. You know, you >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> you you you you actually lose cognitive >> you you you you actually lose cognitive >> you you you you actually lose cognitive ability. ability. ability. >> And you pointed out some of us cannot >> And you pointed out some of us cannot >> And you pointed out some of us cannot afford that type of thing. afford that type of thing. afford that type of thing. >> afford to do that. >> afford to do that. >> afford to do that. >> that seriously. >> that seriously. >> that seriously. >> I mean, like [laughter] like if you're >> I mean, like [laughter] like if you're >> I mean, like [laughter] like if you're if you're borderline like wrestling, "Am if you're borderline like wrestling, "Am if you're borderline like wrestling, "Am I smart enough?" Don't complain. You I smart enough?" Don't complain. You I smart enough?" Don't complain. You know, know, know, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> you don't Am I smart enough for this >> you don't Am I smart enough for this >> you don't Am I smart enough for this life? life? life? Am I smart enough for this life? Am I smart enough for this life? Am I smart enough for this life? Whatever you do, don't If you're right Whatever you do, don't If you're right Whatever you do, don't If you're right on the edge, don't complain. So, it on the edge, don't complain. So, it on the edge, don't complain. So, it makes you more mentally foolish, and we makes you more mentally foolish, and we makes you more mentally foolish, and we see that here where they're calling see that here where they're calling see that here where they're calling Egypt milk and honey. It also Egypt milk and honey. It also Egypt milk and honey. It also complaining complaining complaining as Kay has told our kids often, you're as Kay has told our kids often, you're as Kay has told our kids often, you're telling your heart how to how to think telling your heart how to how to think telling your heart how to how to think and your heart how to feel. So, the and your heart how to feel. So, the and your heart how to feel. So, the complaining does turn you into more of a complaining does turn you into more of a complaining does turn you into more of a miserable, miserable, miserable, anxious, frustrated person. anxious, frustrated person. anxious, frustrated person. >> 100%. Yeah. >> 100%. Yeah. >> 100%. Yeah. >> So, that's the consequences for >> So, that's the consequences for >> So, that's the consequences for complaining. complaining. complaining. The consequences for rebellion, Kay and The consequences for rebellion, Kay and The consequences for rebellion, Kay and you were saying before we started the you were saying before we started the you were saying before we started the cameras and the microphones, that just cameras and the microphones, that just cameras and the microphones, that just people that we've loved and that we've people that we've loved and that we've people that we've loved and that we've cared for for years, cared for for years, cared for for years, we we've seen in in we see it in our own we we've seen in in we see it in our own we we've seen in in we see it in our own lives, but people have just shared lives, but people have just shared lives, but people have just shared there's natural consequences when you there's natural consequences when you there's natural consequences when you don't go God's way.

don't go God's way. don't go God's way. He forgives, but you still can live with He forgives, but you still can live with He forgives, but you still can live with some of the natural consequences, you some of the natural consequences, you some of the natural consequences, you know. know. know. You live with some relational fallout, You live with some relational fallout, You live with some relational fallout, you can regret things that decisions you you can regret things that decisions you you can regret things that decisions you made in your 20s, you know, that carry made in your 20s, you know, that carry made in your 20s, you know, that carry into your 30s. into your 30s. into your 30s. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Um just like people regret making making >> Um just like people regret making making >> Um just like people regret making making foolish financial decisions and they can foolish financial decisions and they can foolish financial decisions and they can they can wrestle with that foolish they can wrestle with that foolish they can wrestle with that foolish financial decision for years. financial decision for years. financial decision for years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you make a a foolish decision in >> If you make a a foolish decision in >> If you make a a foolish decision in terms of rebelling against God, it it terms of rebelling against God, it it terms of rebelling against God, it it you know, it can impact a lot of you know, it can impact a lot of you know, it can impact a lot of so much about your life. so much about your life. so much about your life. >> Yeah. I um I was thinking about >> Yeah. I um I was thinking about >> Yeah. I um I was thinking about uh you know, man, I just love our young uh you know, man, I just love our young uh you know, man, I just love our young adult community so much. Thursday nights adult community so much. Thursday nights adult community so much. Thursday nights when you get to pray with young adults when you get to pray with young adults when you get to pray with young adults and even our own kids, you know, uh and even our own kids, you know, uh and even our own kids, you know, uh their friends as we see their friends as we see their friends as we see you know, the college years, the young you know, the college years, the young you know, the college years, the young adult years and and for many, you know, adult years and and for many, you know, adult years and and for many, you know, especially those who have been raised, especially those who have been raised, especially those who have been raised, you know, with some faith background, you know, with some faith background, you know, with some faith background, you know, they may make decisions in you know, they may make decisions in you know, they may make decisions in their 20s, college years that just seem their 20s, college years that just seem their 20s, college years that just seem like a little bit of fun. like a little bit of fun. like a little bit of fun. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And I'm not going to lie, some of them >> And I'm not going to lie, some of them >> And I'm not going to lie, some of them are a little bit of fun.

are a little bit of fun. are a little bit of fun. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Temporarily. >> Temporarily. >> Temporarily. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Temporarily. >> Temporarily. >> Temporarily. I mean, God ultimately knows what's best I mean, God ultimately knows what's best I mean, God ultimately knows what's best for you and if you make some unwise for you and if you make some unwise for you and if you make some unwise decisions in those years, decisions in those years, decisions in those years, you will have to one day probably tell you will have to one day probably tell you will have to one day probably tell the person you marry, "Hey, I did this." the person you marry, "Hey, I did this." the person you marry, "Hey, I did this." Or, you know, there's that why why don't Or, you know, there's that why why don't Or, you know, there's that why why don't I have peace? Why don't I have joy? I have peace? Why don't I have joy? I have peace? Why don't I have joy? Well, you we've chosen to walk in a way Well, you we've chosen to walk in a way Well, you we've chosen to walk in a way that's against the word of God. You want that's against the word of God. You want that's against the word of God. You want peace and joy? You obey the word of God. peace and joy? You obey the word of God. peace and joy? You obey the word of God. He's so so clear about that. So, I just He's so so clear about that. So, I just He's so so clear about that. So, I just think, you know, as we're like old think, you know, as we're like old think, you know, as we're like old people now, people now, people now, >> unks. >> unks. >> unks. >> Unks. We're unks. >> Unks. We're unks. >> Unks. We're unks. >> What's the female version of unk? >> What's the female version of unk? >> What's the female version of unk? >> Is it aunt? >> Is it aunt? >> Is it aunt? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I mean, cuz aunt >> I mean, cuz aunt >> I mean, cuz aunt >> And I and I'm an aunt. >> And I and I'm an aunt. >> And I and I'm an aunt. >> Aunt unk aunt unk is for uncle, right? >> Aunt unk aunt unk is for uncle, right? >> Aunt unk aunt unk is for uncle, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, >> So, I mean, >> So, I mean, >> I think I think it I think it's a I >> I think I think it I think it's a I >> I think I think it I think it's a I think it's an not I think it's an think it's an not I think it's an think it's an not I think it's an asexual word. Is that the right Is that asexual word. Is that the right Is that asexual word. Is that the right Is that the right word? I [laughter] think it the right word? I [laughter] think it the right word? I [laughter] think it goes for men and women. Everyone old is goes for men and women. Everyone old is goes for men and women. Everyone old is an unk. an unk. an unk. >> It's very similar to like the >> It's very similar to like the >> It's very similar to like the inconsistency in our language these inconsistency in our language these inconsistency in our language these days. Like baby moon, the baby is the days. Like baby moon, the baby is the days. Like baby moon, the baby is the baby [laughter] the baby the baby's baby [laughter] the baby the baby's baby [laughter] the baby the baby's before honeymoon after.

before honeymoon after. before honeymoon after. >> posted the unedited version of the >> posted the unedited version of the >> posted the unedited version of the podcast for that week. podcast for that week. podcast for that week. >> It >> It >> It It's hilarious cuz this is all unedited. It's hilarious cuz this is all unedited. It's hilarious cuz this is all unedited. Like you guys are super funny. Like you guys are super funny. Like you guys are super funny. >> think I've ever been edited. Probably >> think I've ever been edited. Probably >> think I've ever been edited. Probably should should should but never have. but never have. but never have. >> are seeing everything. The inconsistency >> are seeing everything. The inconsistency >> are seeing everything. The inconsistency of of of onk being universal and not onk of of of onk being universal and not onk of of of onk being universal and not onk and aunt. and aunt. and aunt. Or on. Or on. Or on. >> start that. >> start that. >> start that. Why don't we start that? Why don't we start that? Why don't we start that? >> I interrupted you, Kate. I'm so sorry. >> I interrupted you, Kate. I'm so sorry. >> I interrupted you, Kate. I'm so sorry. >> Please go Please keep going before you >> Please go Please keep going before you >> Please go Please keep going before you hurt yourself. hurt yourself. hurt yourself. >> no no >> no no >> no no >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I don't even remember what I was Oh, I >> I don't even remember what I was Oh, I >> I don't even remember what I was Oh, I was just going to say because we're was just going to say because we're was just going to say because we're older now and we can look back older now and we can look back older now and we can look back I'm just going to tell you if you're a I'm just going to tell you if you're a I'm just going to tell you if you're a young adult listening to this, if you're young adult listening to this, if you're young adult listening to this, if you're a teenager listening to this, it's not a teenager listening to this, it's not a teenager listening to this, it's not worth it. worth it. worth it. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's not worth it. >> It's not worth it. >> It's not worth it. >> Not worth it to not follow Jesus. >> Not worth it to not follow Jesus. >> Not worth it to not follow Jesus. >> It's not worth it to not follow Jesus. >> It's not worth it to not follow Jesus. >> It's not worth it to not follow Jesus. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're He is super clear. You want peace? >> We're He is super clear. You want peace? >> We're He is super clear. You want peace? You want joy? Look to me. Obey my You want joy? Look to me. Obey my You want joy? Look to me. Obey my commandments. He's so clear about it. commandments. He's so clear about it. commandments. He's so clear about it. >> He's so clear. >> He's so clear. >> He's so clear. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so if you're lacking peace and joy, >> And so if you're lacking peace and joy, >> And so if you're lacking peace and joy, take a hard look. Like is there take a hard look. Like is there take a hard look. Like is there somewhere I'm rebelling? And you may be somewhere I'm rebelling? And you may be somewhere I'm rebelling? And you may be the only one that knows what it is. the only one that knows what it is. the only one that knows what it is. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean I mean I still take a look at >> I mean I mean I still take a look at >> I mean I mean I still take a look at myself all the time, you know? myself all the time, you know? myself all the time, you know? >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> There's Yeah, the >> There's Yeah, the >> There's Yeah, the we still we still experience mercy and we still we still experience mercy and we still we still experience mercy and grace and you know, but the consequences grace and you know, but the consequences grace and you know, but the consequences painful. It's It's like a loving thing painful. It's It's like a loving thing painful. It's It's like a loving thing for God to say like just like obey me. for God to say like just like obey me. for God to say like just like obey me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, like it would It's not that >> You know, like it would It's not that >> You know, like it would It's not that I'm going to stop loving you if you do I'm going to stop loving you if you do I'm going to stop loving you if you do this. It's It's that it is It harms you, this. It's It's that it is It harms you, this. It's It's that it is It harms you, you you you >> It's what He knows what's best. >> It's what He knows what's best. >> It's what He knows what's best. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And we we I just I can't believe that's >> And we we I just I can't believe that's >> And we we I just I can't believe that's 4 weeks into the the book of Numbers and 4 weeks into the the book of Numbers and 4 weeks into the the book of Numbers and the complaining thread is throughout, the complaining thread is throughout, the complaining thread is throughout, you know? The complaining about bread you know? The complaining about bread you know? The complaining about bread from heaven, complaining that the land from heaven, complaining that the land from heaven, complaining that the land of milk and honey had giants in it, now of milk and honey had giants in it, now of milk and honey had giants in it, now complaining that Egypt was like the land complaining that Egypt was like the land complaining that Egypt was like the land of milk and honey. of milk and honey. of milk and honey. >> Yeah, that part's crazy. >> Yeah, that part's crazy. >> Yeah, that part's crazy. >> There's there's a complaining thread. >> There's there's a complaining thread. >> There's there's a complaining thread. We are more aware of consequences for We are more aware of consequences for We are more aware of consequences for other sins. So, other sins. So, other sins. So, people understand if you commit a people understand if you commit a people understand if you commit a physical act of violence against physical act of violence against physical act of violence against someone, you're going someone, you're going someone, you're going >> This is very true.

>> This is very true. >> This is very true. >> You're going to prison, you know, or >> You're going to prison, you know, or >> You're going to prison, you know, or you're going to be arrested. You know, you're going to be arrested. You know, you're going to be arrested. You know, there is a consequence for a physical there is a consequence for a physical there is a consequence for a physical altercation that you initiated with altercation that you initiated with altercation that you initiated with someone. You know, and it gets and the someone. You know, and it gets and the someone. You know, and it gets and the consequence is based on the extreme consequence is based on the extreme consequence is based on the extreme nature of the altercation. If you nature of the altercation. If you nature of the altercation. If you if you just fight somebody and beat if you just fight somebody and beat if you just fight somebody and beat someone up that you and you jump them, someone up that you and you jump them, someone up that you and you jump them, you may spend you may be arrested and be you may spend you may be arrested and be you may spend you may be arrested and be out on on bond. out on on bond. out on on bond. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you murder someone, >> If you murder someone, >> If you murder someone, >> That's worse. >> That's worse. >> That's worse. >> the consequence is much more severe. >> the consequence is much more severe. >> the consequence is much more severe. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But we think complaining we just we >> But we think complaining we just we >> But we think complaining we just we lower complaining like it's so minimal lower complaining like it's so minimal lower complaining like it's so minimal of a quote unquote sin. of a quote unquote sin. of a quote unquote sin. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And but we're not seeing complaining >> And but we're not seeing complaining >> And but we're not seeing complaining minimize in the book of Numbers. minimize in the book of Numbers. minimize in the book of Numbers. And I think the reason that we can And I think the reason that we can And I think the reason that we can minimize it in our own minds is we are minimize it in our own minds is we are minimize it in our own minds is we are less aware of the consequences. But when less aware of the consequences. But when less aware of the consequences. But when you read the book of Numbers, you are you read the book of Numbers, you are you read the book of Numbers, you are seeing consequences. You're seeing you seeing consequences. You're seeing you seeing consequences. You're seeing you foolishness, you're seeing bitterness. foolishness, you're seeing bitterness. foolishness, you're seeing bitterness. Those are real consequences. So, if you Those are real consequences. So, if you Those are real consequences. So, if you complain, you're going to become foolish complain, you're going to become foolish complain, you're going to become foolish and you're going to become bitter. Hate and you're going to become bitter. Hate and you're going to become bitter. Hate those consequences just like you would those consequences just like you would those consequences just like you would hate the consequence of hate the consequence of hate the consequence of you being unwise and having a physical you being unwise and having a physical you being unwise and having a physical altercation with somebody.

altercation with somebody. altercation with somebody. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> It's like, come on, I'm not going to do >> It's like, come on, I'm not going to do >> It's like, come on, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to go to prison. that. I'm not going to go to prison. that. I'm not going to go to prison. Even as angry as I got, I'm not going to Even as angry as I got, I'm not going to Even as angry as I got, I'm not going to I'm not having road rage, you know, you I'm not having road rage, you know, you I'm not having road rage, you know, you shouldn't and pull someone over and shouldn't and pull someone over and shouldn't and pull someone over and fight them. I'm not going to prison. I fight them. I'm not going to prison. I fight them. I'm not going to prison. I mean, this is stupid. I'm not going to mean, this is stupid. I'm not going to mean, this is stupid. I'm not going to go to prison for some somebody cut me go to prison for some somebody cut me go to prison for some somebody cut me off. I'm not going to be an idiot. I'm off. I'm not going to be an idiot. I'm off. I'm not going to be an idiot. I'm not going out like that. not going out like that. not going out like that. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> You know, and there's there's times >> You know, and there's there's times >> You know, and there's there's times where I've gotten cut off in traffic and where I've gotten cut off in traffic and where I've gotten cut off in traffic and I and I thought, man, I would I would I and I thought, man, I would I would I and I thought, man, I would I would like to fight this guy right now. like to fight this guy right now. like to fight this guy right now. >> You call on the phone number. >> You call on the phone number. >> You call on the phone number. >> used to be. I'm way better than used to >> used to be. I'm way better than used to >> used to be. I'm way better than used to be, but I've never thought I'm actually be, but I've never thought I'm actually be, but I've never thought I'm actually going to fight the person cuz it's like going to fight the person cuz it's like going to fight the person cuz it's like I got I got kids. I got I got kids. I got I got kids. >> Not worth it. >> Not worth it. >> Not worth it. >> It's not worth it. I got I got go I got >> It's not worth it. I got I got go I got >> It's not worth it. I got I got go I got daughters at home and they're little. daughters at home and they're little. daughters at home and they're little. I'm not going to fight somebody. I'm not going to fight somebody. I'm not going to fight somebody. >> time at the um >> time at the um >> time at the um Was it University of Miami game? Was it University of Miami game? Was it University of Miami game? >> Oh gosh, when somebody poured beer on >> Oh gosh, when somebody poured beer on >> Oh gosh, when somebody poured beer on you? you? you? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I want and I and I told >> And I want and I and I told >> And I want and I and I told >> I wanted to fight him, too, to be >> I wanted to fight him, too, to be >> I wanted to fight him, too, to be honest. honest. honest. >> like, I am I'm fighting this dude right >> like, I am I'm fighting this dude right >> like, I am I'm fighting this dude right now. People had to Anyway, I don't know now. People had to Anyway, I don't know now. People had to Anyway, I don't know why I'm confessing that. why I'm confessing that. why I'm confessing that. >> pressure does raise. Are you >> pressure does raise. Are you >> pressure does raise. Are you >> Wait, somebody poured beer on my wife. >> Wait, somebody poured beer on my wife. >> Wait, somebody poured beer on my wife. Like, man, we were going toe-to-toe. Like, man, we were going toe-to-toe. Like, man, we were going toe-to-toe. >> I'm honestly shocked that you didn't. >> I'm honestly shocked that you didn't. >> I'm honestly shocked that you didn't. >> We're going toe-to-toe. People had to >> We're going toe-to-toe. People had to >> We're going toe-to-toe. People had to stop me, stop me, stop me, pulled the guy away. pulled the guy away. pulled the guy away. >> too. >> too. >> too. >> And it >> And it >> And it >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> For that matter. >> For that matter. >> For that matter. >> Anyway, but but in that moment um if I >> Anyway, but but in that moment um if I >> Anyway, but but in that moment um if I if people around me who didn't love me if people around me who didn't love me if people around me who didn't love me hadn't stopped everything from hadn't stopped everything from hadn't stopped everything from happening, I mean, wouldn't it be dumb happening, I mean, wouldn't it be dumb happening, I mean, wouldn't it be dumb for I I don't know how old our kids were for I I don't know how old our kids were for I I don't know how old our kids were at the time for at the time for at the time for >> They were little little.

>> They were little little. >> They were little little. >> for daddy to have to say, "Daddy's going >> for daddy to have to say, "Daddy's going >> for daddy to have to say, "Daddy's going away for a little bit because away for a little bit because away for a little bit because daddy got in a fight." Wouldn't that be daddy got in a fight." Wouldn't that be daddy got in a fight." Wouldn't that be so foolish? so foolish? so foolish? >> book. >> book. >> book. >> Yeah, that's in the >> Yeah, that's in the >> Yeah, that's in the >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> dad book. >> dad book. >> dad book. >> And that time when you went to jail? >> And that time when you went to jail? >> And that time when you went to jail? >> So so here's here's the illustration. >> So so here's here's the illustration. >> So so here's here's the illustration. Here's what I'm trying to say. Here's what I'm trying to say. Here's what I'm trying to say. Most of us are wise to stop ourselves Most of us are wise to stop ourselves Most of us are wise to stop ourselves because we know the consequence is so because we know the consequence is so because we know the consequence is so severe. severe. severe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Understand the severity of the >> Understand the severity of the >> Understand the severity of the consequence of complaining. consequence of complaining. consequence of complaining. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to make myself foolish. I'm >> I'm going to make myself foolish. I'm >> I'm going to make myself foolish. I'm going to make myself bitter. going to make myself bitter. going to make myself bitter. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So that you stop complaining. >> So that you stop complaining. >> So that you stop complaining. >> The other the other thing that I saw at >> The other the other thing that I saw at >> The other the other thing that I saw at the beginning was just what what I think the beginning was just what what I think the beginning was just what what I think is jealousy. is jealousy. is jealousy. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Like, they were so jealous. >> Like, they were so jealous. >> Like, they were so jealous. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, jealousy is like one of those >> You know, jealousy is like one of those >> You know, jealousy is like one of those things like you're so right about how things like you're so right about how things like you're so right about how we, you know, put sin like in a you we, you know, put sin like in a you we, you know, put sin like in a you know, we we tend to like um know, we we tend to like um know, we we tend to like um >> classify, categorize, force rank. >> classify, categorize, force rank. >> classify, categorize, force rank. >> They're all all of that. >> They're all all of that. >> They're all all of that. >> All of them. >> All of them. >> All of them. >> I think jealousy Oh, man. >> I think jealousy Oh, man. >> I think jealousy Oh, man. That that one sneaks up on you. That that one sneaks up on you. That that one sneaks up on you. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And boy, does it destroy.

>> And boy, does it destroy. >> And boy, does it destroy. >> Yes, it does. >> Yes, it does. >> Yes, it does. >> You know, I mean, because it it just >> You know, I mean, because it it just >> You know, I mean, because it it just sneaks its way in a little bit at a sneaks its way in a little bit at a sneaks its way in a little bit at a time. time. time. And then you start to feel like a And then you start to feel like a And then you start to feel like a victim. Like, I'm not being done as well victim. Like, I'm not being done as well victim. Like, I'm not being done as well as somebody else. as somebody else. as somebody else. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I deserve that when we really deserve >> I deserve that when we really deserve >> I deserve that when we really deserve nothing. nothing. nothing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then your actions like theirs here, >> And then your actions like theirs here, >> And then your actions like theirs here, become over the top to get what you become over the top to get what you become over the top to get what you want. want. want. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so, you know, there's a lot of >> And so, you know, there's a lot of >> And so, you know, there's a lot of little what we would consider little little what we would consider little little what we would consider little sins in here that God takes very, very sins in here that God takes very, very sins in here that God takes very, very seriously. seriously. seriously. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's reminding me of Jesus >> Yeah. Yeah. It's reminding me of Jesus >> Yeah. Yeah. It's reminding me of Jesus in the Gospels in the Sermon on the in the Gospels in the Sermon on the in the Gospels in the Sermon on the Mount. He kind of like lowers the the Mount. He kind of like lowers the the Mount. He kind of like lowers the the bar, I guess, for what sin really is, bar, I guess, for what sin really is, bar, I guess, for what sin really is, that it's not it's not just murder, but that it's not it's not just murder, but that it's not it's not just murder, but it is to hate in your heart. it is to hate in your heart. it is to hate in your heart. >> Yes, right. >> Yes, right. >> Yes, right. >> You know, like it it he's he's saying >> You know, like it it he's he's saying >> You know, like it it he's he's saying anything against anything against anything against >> Yeah, it's not just adultery. >> Yeah, it's not just adultery. >> Yeah, it's not just adultery. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] It's looking at someone lustfully. It's It's looking at someone lustfully. It's It's looking at someone lustfully. It's anything anything anything because it's about the heart. because it's about the heart. because it's about the heart. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not only the external action. >> Not only the external action. >> Not only the external action. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. >> And that really does tie well in to >> And that really does tie well in to >> And that really does tie well in to grumbling Liz because grumbling Liz because grumbling Liz because >> It does. >> It does. >> It does. >> grumbling is about the heart.

>> grumbling is about the heart. >> grumbling is about the heart. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It it is it is the person deciding >> It it is it is the person deciding >> It it is it is the person deciding God's provision for me is not what I God's provision for me is not what I God's provision for me is not what I want. I don't want the bread. want. I don't want the bread. want. I don't want the bread. I don't want the meat. I don't want this I don't want the meat. I don't want this I don't want the meat. I don't want this position. I don't want to be a Levite. I position. I don't want to be a Levite. I position. I don't want to be a Levite. I want Moses' position. I don't want this want Moses' position. I don't want this want Moses' position. I don't want this place in the camp. I want Aaron's place in the camp. I want Aaron's place in the camp. I want Aaron's position. Um it's the jealousy, it's the position. Um it's the jealousy, it's the position. Um it's the jealousy, it's the the grumbling the grumbling the grumbling >> It's discontent. >> It's discontent. >> It's discontent. >> beneath the surface >> beneath the surface >> beneath the surface >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> that really >> that really >> that really in a shocking way in number 16 in a shocking way in number 16 in a shocking way in number 16 I get it that shocking. It's like, I get it that shocking. It's like, I get it that shocking. It's like, "Whoa, he's really angered by this sin." "Whoa, he's really angered by this sin." "Whoa, he's really angered by this sin." >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. I I want to kind of talk about some of I I want to kind of talk about some of I I want to kind of talk about some of the scenes that we saw in this chapter. the scenes that we saw in this chapter. the scenes that we saw in this chapter. One that really stands out is how One that really stands out is how One that really stands out is how offended God seems when he's approached offended God seems when he's approached offended God seems when he's approached in a manner unworthy. Like he lays out in a manner unworthy. Like he lays out in a manner unworthy. Like he lays out the this specific description for how the this specific description for how the this specific description for how you should enter into the Tabernacle, you should enter into the Tabernacle, you should enter into the Tabernacle, and that's broken. And his response and that's broken. And his response and that's broken. And his response is is is >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> offense. Like it it's it's to Yeah, the >> offense. Like it it's it's to Yeah, the >> offense. Like it it's it's to Yeah, the um it it doesn't match his holiness. And um it it doesn't match his holiness. And um it it doesn't match his holiness. And so, yeah, what what should we learn from so, yeah, what what should we learn from so, yeah, what what should we learn from this when it comes to our posture, or this when it comes to our posture, or this when it comes to our posture, or heart towards God. heart towards God. heart towards God. >> There's layers to this answer from the >> There's layers to this answer from the >> There's layers to this answer from the Old Testament perspective and the New Old Testament perspective and the New Old Testament perspective and the New Testament perspective. Testament perspective. Testament perspective. And so the more you appreciate or maybe And so the more you appreciate or maybe And so the more you appreciate or maybe even stumble over even stumble over even stumble over the severity of entering his presence in the severity of entering his presence in the severity of entering his presence in an unworthy manner in the Old Testament, an unworthy manner in the Old Testament, an unworthy manner in the Old Testament, that level is how much you're in awe that level is how much you're in awe that level is how much you're in awe that you get to enter his presence in that you get to enter his presence in that you get to enter his presence in the New Testament. the New Testament. the New Testament. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, Old Testament >> So, Old Testament >> So, Old Testament and I I showed this and I I showed this and I I showed this in the beginning of this of this in the beginning of this of this in the beginning of this of this teaching series when you look at the teaching series when you look at the teaching series when you look at the thread of the Tabernacle and the Temple thread of the Tabernacle and the Temple thread of the Tabernacle and the Temple throughout scripture. throughout scripture. throughout scripture. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, here in the Book of Numbers, God's >> So, here in the Book of Numbers, God's >> So, here in the Book of Numbers, God's meeting with his people in the meeting with his people in the meeting with his people in the Tabernacle. Tabernacle. Tabernacle. Now, you are the Tabernacle. You You are Now, you are the Tabernacle. You You are Now, you are the Tabernacle. You You are where God lives, but at this point, this where God lives, but at this point, this where God lives, but at this point, this is where God was meeting with people and is where God was meeting with people and is where God was meeting with people and he was really clear in the Book of he was really clear in the Book of he was really clear in the Book of Leviticus. We see it in Numbers and Leviticus. We see it in Numbers and Leviticus. We see it in Numbers and Deuteronomy as well.

Deuteronomy as well. Deuteronomy as well. How nonchalant nonchalant and non-flippantly and non-flippantly and non-flippantly he expected people to enter his he expected people to enter his he expected people to enter his presence. It was priests from the tribe presence. It was priests from the tribe presence. It was priests from the tribe of Aaron. So, you know, this is Aaron, of Aaron. So, you know, this is Aaron, of Aaron. So, you know, this is Aaron, but you in coming but you in coming but you in coming um books in the Bible, it will be um books in the Bible, it will be um books in the Bible, it will be descendants of Aaron who can go into his descendants of Aaron who can go into his descendants of Aaron who can go into his presence. And the high priest can go presence. And the high priest can go presence. And the high priest can go into his presence. It's um it's into his presence. It's um it's into his presence. It's um it's You see when you get to the Tabernacle You see when you get to the Tabernacle You see when you get to the Tabernacle system fully fleshed out in the in the system fully fleshed out in the in the system fully fleshed out in the in the Book of Joshua and Judges. And then when Book of Joshua and Judges. And then when Book of Joshua and Judges. And then when you get to you get to you get to First Kings and Second Kings and there's First Kings and Second Kings and there's First Kings and Second Kings and there's the the Temple that Solomon builds, the the Temple that Solomon builds, the the Temple that Solomon builds, that it's not just anyone who can go in. that it's not just anyone who can go in. that it's not just anyone who can go in. It's the high priest who can go in. They It's the high priest who can go in. They It's the high priest who can go in. They can go in one day a year on the Day of can go in one day a year on the Day of can go in one day a year on the Day of Atonement. There's all kinds of Atonement. There's all kinds of Atonement. There's all kinds of sacrifices that are made. Blood is put sacrifices that are made. Blood is put sacrifices that are made. Blood is put on top of the Ark of the Covenant where on top of the Ark of the Covenant where on top of the Ark of the Covenant where beneath there are the Ten Commandments. beneath there are the Ten Commandments. beneath there are the Ten Commandments. So, it's very structured. And what God So, it's very structured. And what God So, it's very structured. And what God is showing is, I am really holy. is showing is, I am really holy. is showing is, I am really holy. Holy means set apart. Holy means set apart. Holy means set apart. Unlike you. I'm different. I'm a I'm Unlike you. I'm different. I'm a I'm Unlike you. I'm different. I'm a I'm different. I'm above you. I'm beyond different. I'm above you. I'm beyond different. I'm above you. I'm beyond you. And you can't just casually enter you. And you can't just casually enter you. And you can't just casually enter the presence of of of God. So, you get the presence of of of God. So, you get the presence of of of God. So, you get that in the Old Testament.

that in the Old Testament. that in the Old Testament. Which then makes Which then makes Which then makes the crucifixion scene of Jesus when the crucifixion scene of Jesus when the crucifixion scene of Jesus when according to Matthew's gospel, as he was according to Matthew's gospel, as he was according to Matthew's gospel, as he was crucified, the veil was torn, the crucified, the veil was torn, the crucified, the veil was torn, the scripture says from top to bottom. So, scripture says from top to bottom. So, scripture says from top to bottom. So, the veil is what would separate the most the veil is what would separate the most the veil is what would separate the most holy place where the sacrifice where holy place where the sacrifice where holy place where the sacrifice where sacrifice was sprinkled on top of the sacrifice was sprinkled on top of the sacrifice was sprinkled on top of the ark of the covenant. It was 1/3 of the ark of the covenant. It was 1/3 of the ark of the covenant. It was 1/3 of the of the tabernacle and the temple. It's of the tabernacle and the temple. It's of the tabernacle and the temple. It's the smallest room where the priest would the smallest room where the priest would the smallest room where the priest would go and enter into the presence of God. go and enter into the presence of God. go and enter into the presence of God. So, that veil is torn when Jesus dies, So, that veil is torn when Jesus dies, So, that veil is torn when Jesus dies, which is essentially which is essentially which is essentially you can come in, too. So, we right now, you can come in, too. So, we right now, you can come in, too. So, we right now, a a Christian born after someone who's a a Christian born after someone who's a a Christian born after someone who's born after Jesus died for us and was born after Jesus died for us and was born after Jesus died for us and was resurrected from the dead, a Christian resurrected from the dead, a Christian resurrected from the dead, a Christian who is alive now after Jesus, who is alive now after Jesus, who is alive now after Jesus, we have all of the we have the very we have all of the we have the very we have all of the we have the very thing that these people longed for. thing that these people longed for. thing that these people longed for. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, what they wanted, we have. >> So, what they wanted, we have. >> So, what they wanted, we have. So, what they were complaining that they So, what they were complaining that they So, what they were complaining that they didn't have, we we currently have. didn't have, we we currently have. didn't have, we we currently have. We can go into the presence of God. We can go into the presence of God. We can go into the presence of God. We only really appreciate it when we We only really appreciate it when we We only really appreciate it when we realize realize realize how how how um um um how clear God was that I am holy and how clear God was that I am holy and how clear God was that I am holy and you're not. So, to enter my present to you're not. So, to enter my present to you're not. So, to enter my present to enter my presence requires these steps, enter my presence requires these steps, enter my presence requires these steps, this sacrifice, this incense.

this sacrifice, this incense. this sacrifice, this incense. And then that points us to Christ, who And then that points us to Christ, who And then that points us to Christ, who is is is the all-sufficient sacrifice. The only the all-sufficient sacrifice. The only the all-sufficient sacrifice. The only reason we can go into the presence of reason we can go into the presence of reason we can go into the presence of God is not because God loves us more, is God is not because God loves us more, is God is not because God loves us more, is not because we've accomplished more, is not because we've accomplished more, is not because we've accomplished more, is because we live after the because we live after the because we live after the once-and-for-all perfect sacrifice. once-and-for-all perfect sacrifice. once-and-for-all perfect sacrifice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, Jesus is the better Aaron who offers >> So, Jesus is the better Aaron who offers >> So, Jesus is the better Aaron who offers himself as the atonement to make us himself as the atonement to make us himself as the atonement to make us right with God. right with God. right with God. So, So, So, I want to live with the sense of I want to live with the sense of I want to live with the sense of he's super holy. I have to be I have to he's super holy. I have to be I have to he's super holy. I have to be I have to be be be I should not approach him casually. At I should not approach him casually. At I should not approach him casually. At the same time the same time the same time I want to be in awe that I can approach I want to be in awe that I can approach I want to be in awe that I can approach him. him. him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, the writer of Hebrews says you >> You know, the writer of Hebrews says you >> You know, the writer of Hebrews says you can approach the throne of grace with can approach the throne of grace with can approach the throne of grace with confidence. So, you don't have to go in confidence. So, you don't have to go in confidence. So, you don't have to go in to his presence like wow, I read this to his presence like wow, I read this to his presence like wow, I read this passage and I'm passage and I'm passage and I'm I don't think I can go to God now. Like I don't think I can go to God now. Like I don't think I can go to God now. Like I don't want to be these people who get I don't want to be these people who get I don't want to be these people who get burned or the ground swallowed because burned or the ground swallowed because burned or the ground swallowed because they casually approach God. they casually approach God. they casually approach God. What's different for us is we now have What's different for us is we now have What's different for us is we now have the perfect sacrifice of Jesus. the perfect sacrifice of Jesus. the perfect sacrifice of Jesus. >> He's God. >> He's God. >> He's God. >> So, you have you can go into his >> So, you have you can go into his >> So, you have you can go into his presence. presence. presence. But you should go into his presence But you should go into his presence But you should go into his presence still with a sense of wow, he's really still with a sense of wow, he's really still with a sense of wow, he's really holy.

holy. holy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And yet he's so gracious that he wants >> And yet he's so gracious that he wants >> And yet he's so gracious that he wants me in his presence. me in his presence. me in his presence. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, that's why it's layers to it, right? >> So, that's why it's layers to it, right? >> So, that's why it's layers to it, right? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. I was just going to say um >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> if you want to complain >> if you want to complain >> if you want to complain complain to him. Like he already knows complain to him. Like he already knows complain to him. Like he already knows your heart. your heart. your heart. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, go into it saying God, I know >> You know, go into it saying God, I know >> You know, go into it saying God, I know you know what's best for me. you know what's best for me. you know what's best for me. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I know you're the >> I know you're the >> I know you're the holy one of all, but God I'm struggling holy one of all, but God I'm struggling holy one of all, but God I'm struggling with this. with this. with this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But that's different than complaining But that's different than complaining But that's different than complaining like God, you don't love me. Uh like God, you don't love me. Uh like God, you don't love me. Uh life before you was better than life life before you was better than life life before you was better than life with you. with you. with you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> You know. >> You know. >> Yeah, that's that's that's that's really >> Yeah, that's that's that's that's really >> Yeah, that's that's that's that's really different, baby. different, baby. different, baby. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> What you're describing is complaining >> What you're describing is complaining >> What you're describing is complaining like the people in the Psalms like the people in the Psalms like the people in the Psalms complained. complained. complained. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Not complaining like these people >> Not complaining like these people >> Not complaining like these people complained. complained. complained. >> Yeah. No, it is different. I do want I >> Yeah. No, it is different. I do want I >> Yeah. No, it is different. I do want I do want the people that are listening to do want the people that are listening to do want the people that are listening to understand that that you don't have to understand that that you don't have to understand that that you don't have to like keep that all like keep that all like keep that all inside. He already He already knows your inside. He already He already knows your inside. He already He already knows your anxious thoughts. anxious thoughts. anxious thoughts. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> He already knows. >> He already knows. >> He already knows. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I also before we end I'll I know I'm >> I also before we end I'll I know I'm >> I also before we end I'll I know I'm about to interrupt, but I would just about to interrupt, but I would just about to interrupt, but I would just want to point out how kind God was it is want to point out how kind God was it is want to point out how kind God was it is for to the sons of Korah. Yeah, the for to the sons of Korah. Yeah, the for to the sons of Korah. Yeah, the descendants of Korah rather. Like he descendants of Korah rather. Like he descendants of Korah rather. Like he He didn't He did not hold the sins of He didn't He did not hold the sins of He didn't He did not hold the sins of the father against like he he allowed the father against like he he allowed the father against like he he allowed them them them He showed them so much grace.

He showed them so much grace. He showed them so much grace. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And they I think they too probably >> And they I think they too probably >> And they I think they too probably learned from their learned from their learned from their um um um from the past, you know, they learned from the past, you know, they learned from the past, you know, they learned from their descendants as well. from their descendants as well. from their descendants as well. >> Yeah, absolutely. No, I think that's >> Yeah, absolutely. No, I think that's >> Yeah, absolutely. No, I think that's exactly what we should close with. exactly what we should close with. exactly what we should close with. >> Well, and I think I think it's a good >> Well, and I think I think it's a good >> Well, and I think I think it's a good it's a good um a theological correction, it's a good um a theological correction, it's a good um a theological correction, cuz sometimes I've I've heard people cuz sometimes I've I've heard people cuz sometimes I've I've heard people ask, "Hey, what's the what's the ask, "Hey, what's the what's the ask, "Hey, what's the what's the generational sins?" generational sins?" generational sins?" >> what I was thinking of. >> what I was thinking of. >> what I was thinking of. >> generational sins in your in your family >> generational sins in your in your family >> generational sins in your in your family that you need to repent of? What's the that you need to repent of? What's the that you need to repent of? What's the lineage of your family that you need to lineage of your family that you need to lineage of your family that you need to repent of?" repent of?" repent of?" And And And I I think that's a really dangerous line I I think that's a really dangerous line I I think that's a really dangerous line of questioning as if of questioning as if of questioning as if >> You're responsible for it. >> You're responsible for it. >> You're responsible for it. >> you're responsible A, and as if God's >> you're responsible A, and as if God's >> you're responsible A, and as if God's grace isn't big enough for it. grace isn't big enough for it. grace isn't big enough for it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> God's God's His blood's not too thin for >> God's God's His blood's not too thin for >> God's God's His blood's not too thin for any any any >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> any sin. And these are these are >> any sin. And these are these are >> any sin. And these are these are these are descendants of the one of the these are descendants of the one of the these are descendants of the one of the prime examples of God's judgment in the prime examples of God's judgment in the prime examples of God's judgment in the Old Testament, Korah. Old Testament, Korah. Old Testament, Korah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, he got swallowed up by the >> I mean, he got swallowed up by the >> I mean, he got swallowed up by the ground.

ground. ground. >> And they are better is one day in your >> And they are better is one day in your >> And they are better is one day in your house. I mean, so beautiful. house. I mean, so beautiful. house. I mean, so beautiful. >> which is an amazing which is the >> which is an amazing which is the >> which is an amazing which is the opposite of Korah. So, Korah is like, opposite of Korah. So, Korah is like, opposite of Korah. So, Korah is like, "It's not I don't want to be in the "It's not I don't want to be in the "It's not I don't want to be in the outside. I want to be in Aaron and outside. I want to be in Aaron and outside. I want to be in Aaron and Moses' position. Moses' position. Moses' position. Um the sons of Korah, Psalm 84:10, Um the sons of Korah, Psalm 84:10, Um the sons of Korah, Psalm 84:10, 'Better is one day in your house, oh 'Better is one day in your house, oh 'Better is one day in your house, oh Lord, than a thousand elsewhere. I'd Lord, than a thousand elsewhere. I'd Lord, than a thousand elsewhere. I'd rather be a gatekeeper in the house of rather be a gatekeeper in the house of rather be a gatekeeper in the house of my God than dwell in the tents of the my God than dwell in the tents of the my God than dwell in the tents of the wicked.' Basically saying, "I I don't wicked.' Basically saying, "I I don't wicked.' Basically saying, "I I don't even I just just even I just just even I just just >> care about my position. >> care about my position. >> care about my position. >> I don't care. I just want to be around. >> I don't care. I just want to be around. >> I don't care. I just want to be around. I just want to be around God. I just want to be around God. I just want to be around God. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I I just want to be in His presence. I >> I I I just want to be in His presence. I >> I I I just want to be in His presence. I don't I don't care about my title. I don't I don't care about my title. I don't I don't care about my title. I don't care about where I'm in on some don't care about where I'm in on some don't care about where I'm in on some org chart. org chart. org chart. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just want to be >> I just want to be >> I just want to be >> I just want God. >> I just want God. >> I just want God. >> Isn't that so beautiful? >> Isn't that so beautiful? >> Isn't that so beautiful? >> want to be in His presence. Yes, that is >> want to be in His presence. Yes, that is >> want to be in His presence. Yes, that is really beautiful. really beautiful. really beautiful. >> So, if someone were to come and say to >> So, if someone were to come and say to >> So, if someone were to come and say to them, "Hey, what about the sins of your them, "Hey, what about the sins of your them, "Hey, what about the sins of your >> Have you repented of the sins of your >> Have you repented of the sins of your >> Have you repented of the sins of your >> They'd be like, "What?" Like, >> They'd be like, "What?" Like, >> They'd be like, "What?" Like, >> God's God's taken away all of my sin. >> God's God's taken away all of my sin. >> God's God's taken away all of my sin. Much Like, why would I'm I'm the the Much Like, why would I'm I'm the the Much Like, why would I'm I'm the the sins of my forefathers has not been sins of my forefathers has not been sins of my forefathers has not been imputed to me. imputed to me. imputed to me. >> Praise God. >> Praise God. >> Praise God. >> What's been imputed to you is the >> What's been imputed to you is the >> What's been imputed to you is the righteousness of Jesus. righteousness of Jesus. righteousness of Jesus. >> Mhm. Yes.

>> Mhm. Yes. >> Mhm. Yes. >> That's what's been imputed to you if >> That's what's been imputed to you if >> That's what's been imputed to you if you've believed in him. you've believed in him. you've believed in him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If there's I I've heard it used to to as If there's I I've heard it used to to as If there's I I've heard it used to to as a um a um a um there's there's there's an impact, I guess, like a consequence an impact, I guess, like a consequence an impact, I guess, like a consequence on the people around you. So, the sins on the people around you. So, the sins on the people around you. So, the sins of my father would be I I might of my father would be I I might of my father would be I I might experience a consequence of that. experience a consequence of that. experience a consequence of that. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> But God is also gracious and powerful to >> But God is also gracious and powerful to >> But God is also gracious and powerful to heal that and to break that as well. heal that and to break that as well. heal that and to break that as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah, no, I I that is true. So, if I had >> Yeah, no, I I that is true. So, if I had >> Yeah, no, I I that is true. So, if I had gotten arrested and jailed for fighting gotten arrested and jailed for fighting gotten arrested and jailed for fighting the guy at the Miami Hurricanes football the guy at the Miami Hurricanes football the guy at the Miami Hurricanes football game, the um my kids would have been game, the um my kids would have been game, the um my kids would have been impacted by that. impacted by that. impacted by that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it doesn't mean that they then have >> But it doesn't mean that they then have >> But it doesn't mean that they then have have within them the the the um the same have within them the the the um the same have within them the the the um the same choice that I made. choice that I made. choice that I made. >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. And in fact, they >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. And in fact, they >> Yeah. Right. Exactly. And in fact, they might be so moved by the grace of God in might be so moved by the grace of God in might be so moved by the grace of God in your life after that. That and they your life after that. That and they your life after that. That and they receive that. receive that. receive that. >> It's so amazing that we now have decided >> It's so amazing that we now have decided >> It's so amazing that we now have decided that I've spent 3 years in jail. that I've spent 3 years in jail. that I've spent 3 years in jail. And [laughter] And [laughter] And [laughter] and that and that and that I had an and that and that and that I had an and that and that and that I had an encounter with God's grace and then I encounter with God's grace and then I encounter with God's grace and then I came out of jail.

came out of jail. came out of jail. >> And then your girls said >> And then your girls said >> And then your girls said >> And then and then my girls were so >> And then and then my girls were so >> And then and then my girls were so impacted. Like, the way impacted. Like, the way impacted. Like, the way >> is a great story. >> is a great story. >> is a great story. >> The way that you hypothetically >> The way that you hypothetically >> The way that you hypothetically I just want to be sure the listener I just want to be sure the listener I just want to be sure the listener knows all I know I got some shady stuff knows all I know I got some shady stuff knows all I know I got some shady stuff in my past, but all of that was in my past, but all of that was in my past, but all of that was hypothetical. hypothetical. hypothetical. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That was a complete hypothetical >> That was a complete hypothetical >> That was a complete hypothetical situation. situation. situation. >> But who are we going to use as an >> But who are we going to use as an >> But who are we going to use as an example, me and Liz? Obviously had to be example, me and Liz? Obviously had to be example, me and Liz? Obviously had to be >> No, it had to be me. You guys >> No, it had to be me. You guys >> No, it had to be me. You guys I just want to say where where sin I just want to say where where sin I just want to say where where sin increases grace increases all the more. increases grace increases all the more. increases grace increases all the more. So, So, So, >> We did talk about how girls do naturally >> We did talk about how girls do naturally >> We did talk about how girls do naturally bring the drama as well and that would bring the drama as well and that would bring the drama as well and that would be an example of it right there. It was be an example of it right there. It was be an example of it right there. It was way too easy for me to jump on that way too easy for me to jump on that way too easy for me to jump on that hypothetical. hypothetical. hypothetical. >> an orange >> an orange >> an orange an orange [laughter] jumpsuit. an orange [laughter] jumpsuit. an orange [laughter] jumpsuit. >> Remember when Eric was in jail? >> Remember when Eric was in jail? >> Remember when Eric was in jail? Oh, man. Well, okay, thank you so much Oh, man. Well, okay, thank you so much Oh, man. Well, okay, thank you so much for joining us, guys. for joining us, guys. for joining us, guys. >> I love being with you guys. >> I love being with you guys. >> I love being with you guys. >> Aw, we're so grateful and Eric, thanks >> Aw, we're so grateful and Eric, thanks >> Aw, we're so grateful and Eric, thanks for leading us through an amazing series for leading us through an amazing series for leading us through an amazing series so far. I'm excited to finish it up so far. I'm excited to finish it up so far. I'm excited to finish it up finish out the series with finish out the series with finish out the series with >> Yes. Four four more four more weeks. >> Yes. Four four more four more weeks. >> Yes. Four four more four more weeks. Let's let's stay in the book of Numbers Let's let's stay in the book of Numbers Let's let's stay in the book of Numbers and if you're traveling at all in the and if you're traveling at all in the and if you're traveling at all in the summer, just watch online when you're summer, just watch online when you're summer, just watch online when you're traveling. Don't don't miss this. Don't traveling. Don't don't miss this. Don't traveling. Don't don't miss this. Don't miss the incredible miss the incredible miss the incredible account of the book of numbers.

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