If I Had More Time | When I am anxious

Thanks for joining us for the If I Had Thanks for joining us for the If I Had More Time podcast. So glad you're here More Time podcast. So glad you're here More Time podcast. So glad you're here today. I'm here with Eric Guyger, our today. I'm here with Eric Guyger, our today. I'm here with Eric Guyger, our senior pastor, and we've got DK here, senior pastor, and we've got DK here, senior pastor, and we've got DK here, who is our worship pastor at Mariners who is our worship pastor at Mariners who is our worship pastor at Mariners Irvine. Irvine. Irvine. >> But if you say DK Kim, it's redundancy. >> But if you say DK Kim, it's redundancy. >> But if you say DK Kim, it's redundancy. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> it is. But you know what? His his name >> it is. But you know what? His his name >> it is. But you know what? His his name is like that. Like whenever it goes, is like that. Like whenever it goes, is like that. Like whenever it goes, >> all of my name tags at at church, right? >> all of my name tags at at church, right? >> all of my name tags at at church, right? >> DK Kim. >> DK Kim. >> DK Kim. >> Yep. DK Kim. But >> Yep. DK Kim. But >> Yep. DK Kim. But >> but it's like saying Daniel Kim Kim. >> but it's like saying Daniel Kim Kim. >> but it's like saying Daniel Kim Kim. >> Daniel Kim Kim. Yeah. >> Daniel Kim Kim. Yeah. >> Daniel Kim Kim. Yeah. >> How should I introduce you formally? >> How should I introduce you formally? >> How should I introduce you formally? >> No. DK Kim is great. It's just become my >> No. DK Kim is great. It's just become my >> No. DK Kim is great. It's just become my name. He even has a license plate with name. He even has a license plate with name. He even has a license plate with his name on it. his name on it. his name on it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Dad K, right? >> Dad K, right? >> Dad K, right? >> It's got It's got m It's It's layered. >> It's got It's got m It's It's layered. >> It's got It's got m It's It's layered. It's got It's got multiple meanings to It's got It's got multiple meanings to It's got It's got multiple meanings to it. it. it. >> There's layers to it. >> There's layers to it. >> There's layers to it. >> Okay. Got it. Got it. >> Okay. Got it. Got it. >> Okay. Got it. Got it. >> Yeah. I remember Eric asked me one time. >> Yeah. I remember Eric asked me one time. >> Yeah. I remember Eric asked me one time. >> Yeah. I was impressed. It was like >> Yeah. I was impressed. It was like >> Yeah. I was impressed. It was like levels to it. levels to it. levels to it. >> I mean, >> I mean, >> I mean, >> wait, what's given it to us again? >> wait, what's given it to us again? >> wait, what's given it to us again? >> Well, now everybody in Orange County is >> Well, now everybody in Orange County is >> Well, now everybody in Orange County is going to look for my license plate. But going to look for my license plate. But going to look for my license plate. But um [laughter] it's uh so it's I am um [laughter] it's uh so it's I am um [laughter] it's uh so it's I am because it's the initials of my kids. So because it's the initials of my kids. So because it's the initials of my kids. So Isla and Micah. Dude, I love this. And Isla and Micah. Dude, I love this. And Isla and Micah. Dude, I love this. And then dad. Okay. So I am dad, right? So I then dad. Okay. So I am dad, right? So I then dad. Okay. So I am dad, right? So I Micah's dad, but it's also I'm dad, Micah's dad, but it's also I'm dad, Micah's dad, but it's also I'm dad, right?

right? right? >> And it's also it also reads I'm the DK >> And it's also it also reads I'm the DK >> And it's also it also reads I'm the DK cuz cuz cuz >> cuz it's I am d a dumber number one. >> cuz it's I am d a dumber number one. >> cuz it's I am d a dumber number one. >> How how uh how long did it take you to >> How how uh how long did it take you to >> How how uh how long did it take you to come up with that? come up with that? come up with that? >> Took me way too long. I [laughter] I I >> Took me way too long. I [laughter] I I >> Took me way too long. I [laughter] I I submitted multiple uh requests to the submitted multiple uh requests to the submitted multiple uh requests to the DMV. Yeah. uh to the DMV and they DMV. Yeah. uh to the DMV and they DMV. Yeah. uh to the DMV and they rejected most of rejected most of rejected most of >> money. I didn't know that happens. So I >> money. I didn't know that happens. So I >> money. I didn't know that happens. So I didn't even I I don't have a I I take didn't even I I don't have a I I take didn't even I I don't have a I I take whatever they give me, right? You So you whatever they give me, right? You So you whatever they give me, right? You So you have to submit a request. Really? have to submit a request. Really? have to submit a request. Really? >> Oh yeah. And the DMV I don't know what >> Oh yeah. And the DMV I don't know what >> Oh yeah. And the DMV I don't know what process they go through, but they just process they go through, but they just process they go through, but they just arbitrarily reject some and they say, arbitrarily reject some and they say, arbitrarily reject some and they say, "Cool, that one's cool." "Cool, that one's cool." "Cool, that one's cool." >> Is it an efficient process? >> Is it an efficient process? >> Is it an efficient process? >> Um >> Um >> Um >> no, no comment. >> no, no comment. >> no, no comment. >> I mean, I guess now I could say that it >> I mean, I guess now I could say that it >> I mean, I guess now I could say that it [laughter] is, but at the time I was [laughter] is, but at the time I was [laughter] is, but at the time I was like, what is going on? That took too like, what is going on? That took too like, what is going on? That took too much time. much time. much time. >> What were some that were rejected? Tell >> What were some that were rejected? Tell >> What were some that were rejected? Tell us. Um I I don't even remember honestly, us. Um I I don't even remember honestly, us. Um I I don't even remember honestly, you know. Yeah, like it was I mean one you know. Yeah, like it was I mean one you know. Yeah, like it was I mean one of them might have been D K A Y, you of them might have been D K A Y, you of them might have been D K A Y, you know, something like that know, something like that know, something like that >> where where it's my initial spelled out, >> where where it's my initial spelled out, >> where where it's my initial spelled out, >> you know, DK. >> you know, DK. >> you know, DK. >> And for whatever reason, I think that >> And for whatever reason, I think that >> And for whatever reason, I think that was, you know, declined. And was, you know, declined. And was, you know, declined. And >> yeah, I went through too many >> yeah, I went through too many >> yeah, I went through too many renditions, but I'm I'm glad.

renditions, but I'm I'm glad. renditions, but I'm I'm glad. >> You got a good one, man. It land you >> You got a good one, man. It land you >> You got a good one, man. It land you landed in a good place. It's meaningful. landed in a good place. It's meaningful. landed in a good place. It's meaningful. >> Yeah. [laughter] God God used all of >> Yeah. [laughter] God God used all of >> Yeah. [laughter] God God used all of that wasted time to redeem a good that wasted time to redeem a good that wasted time to redeem a good license plate. Gave you a good license license plate. Gave you a good license license plate. Gave you a good license plate. [laughter] plate. [laughter] plate. [laughter] >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. Well, DK is another one of our worship Well, DK is another one of our worship Well, DK is another one of our worship leaders. Eric shared last week about how leaders. Eric shared last week about how leaders. Eric shared last week about how we're going to be having a few of our we're going to be having a few of our we're going to be having a few of our worship leaders on the podcast worship leaders on the podcast worship leaders on the podcast throughout the series, throughout the series, throughout the series, >> which is beautiful because of the >> which is beautiful because of the >> which is beautiful because of the Psalms. Psalms. Psalms. >> Yes. This is actually DK's idea pretty >> Yes. This is actually DK's idea pretty >> Yes. This is actually DK's idea pretty early on just um and I loved that. I early on just um and I loved that. I early on just um and I loved that. I love I love your heart heart for both um love I love your heart heart for both um love I love your heart heart for both um God's word and also teaching our people God's word and also teaching our people God's word and also teaching our people to worship. And I love that this is a to worship. And I love that this is a to worship. And I love that this is a psalm for worship. Yeah. Did you see psalm for worship. Yeah. Did you see psalm for worship. Yeah. Did you see worship through the pain? Not not I'm worship through the pain? Not not I'm worship through the pain? Not not I'm going to wait till there's no pain to going to wait till there's no pain to going to wait till there's no pain to worship. worship. worship. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> But I'm going to sing >> But I'm going to sing >> But I'm going to sing >> I'm going to sing when there's when >> I'm going to sing when there's when >> I'm going to sing when there's when there's pain. I've heard you say worship there's pain. I've heard you say worship there's pain. I've heard you say worship through the pain. Worship, you know, through the pain. Worship, you know, through the pain. Worship, you know, fight with worship. That's right. You fight with worship. That's right. You fight with worship. That's right. You know, absolutely. know, absolutely. know, absolutely. >> Which is this is a psalm that teaches >> Which is this is a psalm that teaches >> Which is this is a psalm that teaches that for sure. that for sure. that for sure. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> It's beautiful. >> It's beautiful. >> It's beautiful. >> So this week's message, we just got to >> So this week's message, we just got to >> So this week's message, we just got to hear Eric teach the online message and hear Eric teach the online message and hear Eric teach the online message and we're looking at Psalm 13. It's a we're looking at Psalm 13. It's a we're looking at Psalm 13. It's a stunning passage really. Um, and it's stunning passage really. Um, and it's stunning passage really. Um, and it's it's one that is really raw and one that it's one that is really raw and one that it's one that is really raw and one that um in the psalm itself, you know, we get um in the psalm itself, you know, we get um in the psalm itself, you know, we get to see the story beneath the psalm, to see the story beneath the psalm, to see the story beneath the psalm, which is awesome. So, we do get to see which is awesome. So, we do get to see which is awesome. So, we do get to see how it's resolved, but in the psalm how it's resolved, but in the psalm how it's resolved, but in the psalm itself, we don't necessarily see the itself, we don't necessarily see the itself, we don't necessarily see the ending.

ending. ending. >> Um, but we see some incredible faith by >> Um, but we see some incredible faith by >> Um, but we see some incredible faith by by David. But why why do you guys think by David. But why why do you guys think by David. But why why do you guys think God left these these psalms in here? God left these these psalms in here? God left these these psalms in here? This is one of many like it. This is one of many like it. This is one of many like it. >> So, why do you think the ones that are >> So, why do you think the ones that are >> So, why do you think the ones that are kind of raw and unresolved were kept in? kind of raw and unresolved were kept in? kind of raw and unresolved were kept in? When you say there's many like it, there When you say there's many like it, there When you say there's many like it, there there's a whole category of psalms there's a whole category of psalms there's a whole category of psalms called lament psalms. And some scholars called lament psalms. And some scholars called lament psalms. And some scholars call those psalms of disorientation call those psalms of disorientation call those psalms of disorientation because when you're lamenting, things because when you're lamenting, things because when you're lamenting, things really feel disorient disoriented in really feel disorient disoriented in really feel disorient disoriented in your life. And that is how David feels your life. And that is how David feels your life. And that is how David feels in this moment. in this moment. in this moment. >> And I believe God put these in here for >> And I believe God put these in here for >> And I believe God put these in here for us because we're going to go through us because we're going to go through us because we're going to go through seasons of disorientation. We're going seasons of disorientation. We're going seasons of disorientation. We're going to go through seasons where to go through seasons where to go through seasons where >> right >> right >> right >> the best >> the best >> the best >> that we can offer is a lament. >> that we can offer is a lament. >> that we can offer is a lament. >> And we have a faithful example in David. >> And we have a faithful example in David. >> And we have a faithful example in David. Not a perfect example, but a faithful Not a perfect example, but a faithful Not a perfect example, but a faithful example at least in this season where example at least in this season where example at least in this season where he's going to God with his struggles. he's going to God with his struggles. he's going to God with his struggles. And the fact that God puts him in the And the fact that God puts him in the And the fact that God puts him in the Psalms, puts these Psalms in the text Psalms, puts these Psalms in the text Psalms, puts these Psalms in the text for us, shows us that God knows the for us, shows us that God knows the for us, shows us that God knows the human experience, that God understands human experience, that God understands human experience, that God understands us, that we don't have a high priest us, that we don't have a high priest us, that we don't have a high priest who's unable to sympathize with with us, who's unable to sympathize with with us, who's unable to sympathize with with us, but one who's one who is perfect and has but one who's one who is perfect and has but one who's one who is perfect and has been tempted in every way been tempted in every way been tempted in every way >> as we are, yet without sin. Therefore, >> as we are, yet without sin. Therefore, >> as we are, yet without sin. Therefore, we can approach the throne of grace with we can approach the throne of grace with we can approach the throne of grace with confidence and boldness. And so the confidence and boldness. And so the confidence and boldness. And so the Psalms to me, the limit psalms help us Psalms to me, the limit psalms help us Psalms to me, the limit psalms help us live out the New Testament command to live out the New Testament command to live out the New Testament command to approach his throne because he approach his throne because he approach his throne because he understands you, right? Because the understands you, right? Because the understands you, right? Because the Psalms show you that he understands you, Psalms show you that he understands you, Psalms show you that he understands you, >> right?

>> right? >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I think there's a there's >> Yeah. I mean, I think there's a there's >> Yeah. I mean, I think there's a there's a version of Sunday school Christianity a version of Sunday school Christianity a version of Sunday school Christianity that kind of teaches you, hey, don't that kind of teaches you, hey, don't that kind of teaches you, hey, don't don't ever complain to God. Who are you don't ever complain to God. Who are you don't ever complain to God. Who are you to question him? Who are you to who are to question him? Who are you to who are to question him? Who are you to who are you to um be real with him? You know, you to um be real with him? You know, you to um be real with him? You know, it's just accept God is good all the it's just accept God is good all the it's just accept God is good all the time, right? So there's some of that the time, right? So there's some of that the time, right? So there's some of that the theology that exists with us and yet I theology that exists with us and yet I theology that exists with us and yet I think as we mature in our faith and as think as we mature in our faith and as think as we mature in our faith and as we get to know the heart of God and we get to know the heart of God and we get to know the heart of God and ultimately as we see Christ's example ultimately as we see Christ's example ultimately as we see Christ's example for us, right? Even he is calling out to for us, right? Even he is calling out to for us, right? Even he is calling out to God in his most dire time of need in the God in his most dire time of need in the God in his most dire time of need in the garden, right? And he's saying, "God, garden, right? And he's saying, "God, garden, right? And he's saying, "God, why have you forsaken me? Uh would you why have you forsaken me? Uh would you why have you forsaken me? Uh would you take this cup from me?" Um, and we see take this cup from me?" Um, and we see take this cup from me?" Um, and we see that in Jesus's example, but also, yeah, that in Jesus's example, but also, yeah, that in Jesus's example, but also, yeah, through David, through David, through David, >> um, we're we're getting language for our >> um, we're we're getting language for our >> um, we're we're getting language for our pain in real life. And, and scripture is pain in real life. And, and scripture is pain in real life. And, and scripture is not something that coronates any of not something that coronates any of not something that coronates any of that. that. that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it does. You're right. I I love that you >> it does. You're right. I I love that you >> it does. You're right. I I love that you brought up it gives us language. I've I brought up it gives us language. I've I brought up it gives us language. I've I find myself too when I don't know what find myself too when I don't know what find myself too when I don't know what to pray, I will go to these psalms to pray, I will go to these psalms to pray, I will go to these psalms sometimes and and just read them aloud sometimes and and just read them aloud sometimes and and just read them aloud and often times they're resonant with and often times they're resonant with and often times they're resonant with >> what it is that I'm experiencing when I >> what it is that I'm experiencing when I >> what it is that I'm experiencing when I when I don't have words.

when I don't have words. when I don't have words. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This one for sure with the >> Yeah. This one for sure with the >> Yeah. This one for sure with the language of for how longs language of for how longs language of for how longs >> which I didn't have time to hit it in >> which I didn't have time to hit it in >> which I didn't have time to hit it in the uh in the sermon. So that's why we the uh in the sermon. So that's why we the uh in the sermon. So that's why we have a podcast called have a podcast called have a podcast called >> but that that you'll see that language >> but that that you'll see that language >> but that that you'll see that language again when we study the book of again when we study the book of again when we study the book of Revelation this fall. You know how long Revelation this fall. You know how long Revelation this fall. You know how long the martyrs? Yeah. Uh who are have been the martyrs? Yeah. Uh who are have been the martyrs? Yeah. Uh who are have been killed for their faith are asking how killed for their faith are asking how killed for their faith are asking how long God until you fix everything? It's long God until you fix everything? It's long God until you fix everything? It's the uh the uh the uh >> the fifth seal in ro in revelation 6. >> the fifth seal in ro in revelation 6. >> the fifth seal in ro in revelation 6. >> The fifth seal the martyrs are uh asking >> The fifth seal the martyrs are uh asking >> The fifth seal the martyrs are uh asking God how long? How long? God how long? How long? God how long? How long? >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And that's David. How long? How long? >> And that's David. How long? How long? >> And that's David. How long? How long? How long? How long? Four times. How long? How long? Four times. How long? How long? Four times. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean >> I mean >> I mean >> very repetitive >> very repetitive >> very repetitive >> but from a place of deep pain. >> but from a place of deep pain. >> but from a place of deep pain. >> Yes. Yeah. Right. Right. It was super >> Yes. Yeah. Right. Right. It was super >> Yes. Yeah. Right. Right. It was super insightful everything you shared on on insightful everything you shared on on insightful everything you shared on on the how long part and I I thought about the how long part and I I thought about the how long part and I I thought about how it is so much easier. It really is how it is so much easier. It really is how it is so much easier. It really is whenever you know the end of something. whenever you know the end of something. whenever you know the end of something. >> Oh my gosh. I was I was feeling so like >> Oh my gosh. I was I was feeling so like >> Oh my gosh. I was I was feeling so like it it was I was thinking about anything it it was I was thinking about anything it it was I was thinking about anything in my life where I'm kind of like I can in my life where I'm kind of like I can in my life where I'm kind of like I can power through that. If you have like a power through that. If you have like a power through that. If you have like a long week ahead it's really busy. It's long week ahead it's really busy. It's long week ahead it's really busy. It's like I don't even think about it because like I don't even think about it because like I don't even think about it because I'm like ah there's an end in sight. No I'm like ah there's an end in sight. No I'm like ah there's an end in sight. No big deal.

big deal. big deal. >> Totally. you can do anything for uh >> Totally. you can do anything for uh >> Totally. you can do anything for uh people have said it and and it's true in people have said it and and it's true in people have said it and and it's true in in business world when I had a tough in business world when I had a tough in business world when I had a tough difficult season you knew the end of it difficult season you knew the end of it difficult season you knew the end of it like you had a [snorts] I got to do this like you had a [snorts] I got to do this like you had a [snorts] I got to do this for this quarter like a week's easy. for this quarter like a week's easy. for this quarter like a week's easy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You can really do anything for a week. >> You can really do anything for a week. >> You can really do anything for a week. >> Come on. I mean what I'm saying I mean >> Come on. I mean what I'm saying I mean >> Come on. I mean what I'm saying I mean in I know there's some things that are in I know there's some things that are in I know there's some things that are extremely extremely painful but in terms extremely extremely painful but in terms extremely extremely painful but in terms of powering up for a difficult of powering up for a difficult of powering up for a difficult challenging work week challenging work week challenging work week >> you can you can you can do it. You can >> you can you can you can do it. You can >> you can you can you can do it. You can you can like I got this. But when you if you can like I got this. But when you if you can like I got this. But when you if you didn't ever know if it would ever you didn't ever know if it would ever you didn't ever know if it would ever end, right? end, right? end, right? >> You know, that is really painful. >> You know, that is really painful. >> You know, that is really painful. >> Yeah. I think so much of the source of >> Yeah. I think so much of the source of >> Yeah. I think so much of the source of our anxiety is around the uncertainty of our anxiety is around the uncertainty of our anxiety is around the uncertainty of timelines, right? Yeah. Like not knowing timelines, right? Yeah. Like not knowing timelines, right? Yeah. Like not knowing when when something will end or when when when something will end or when when when something will end or when something will come is anxietyinducing. something will come is anxietyinducing. something will come is anxietyinducing. So, yeah. So, I think it's very So, yeah. So, I think it's very So, yeah. So, I think it's very intentional that day David is crying out intentional that day David is crying out intentional that day David is crying out that many times. So much of his anxiety that many times. So much of his anxiety that many times. So much of his anxiety is around that question of like how long is around that question of like how long is around that question of like how long the uncertainty. You're right. Totally. the uncertainty. You're right. Totally. the uncertainty. You're right. Totally. >> Totally get it. Yeah. So on on this >> Totally get it. Yeah. So on on this >> Totally get it. Yeah. So on on this topic of anxiety, I think it would be topic of anxiety, I think it would be topic of anxiety, I think it would be good for us to just kind of like lay good for us to just kind of like lay good for us to just kind of like lay some ground rules even for our some ground rules even for our some ground rules even for our conversation today. You know, it's it's conversation today. You know, it's it's conversation today. You know, it's it's um how should we approach this? It's um how should we approach this? It's um how should we approach this? It's something that's something that's something that's >> really prevalent. The word anxiety is >> really prevalent. The word anxiety is >> really prevalent. The word anxiety is thrown around a lot everywhere you look thrown around a lot everywhere you look thrown around a lot everywhere you look in every conversation and any kind of in every conversation and any kind of in every conversation and any kind of video on TikTok that I see, you know, video on TikTok that I see, you know, video on TikTok that I see, you know, about what people are experiencing or about what people are experiencing or about what people are experiencing or battling. Um and the word itself is it battling. Um and the word itself is it battling. Um and the word itself is it can be loaded and means something can be loaded and means something can be loaded and means something different. So, how should we approach different. So, how should we approach different. So, how should we approach this conversation today?

this conversation today? this conversation today? >> We should approach it carefully. >> We should approach it carefully. >> We should approach it carefully. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And we should realize we don't want to >> And we should realize we don't want to >> And we should realize we don't want to pull together a bunch of ignorance here. pull together a bunch of ignorance here. pull together a bunch of ignorance here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, we don't want to be a team of >> You know, we don't want to be a team of >> You know, we don't want to be a team of pulled ignorance thinking we're experts. pulled ignorance thinking we're experts. pulled ignorance thinking we're experts. >> We I feel we must talk about it at times >> We I feel we must talk about it at times >> We I feel we must talk about it at times in our roles because the scripture does, in our roles because the scripture does, in our roles because the scripture does, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But at the same time, h approach it with >> But at the same time, h approach it with >> But at the same time, h approach it with humility knowing that it's very complex. humility knowing that it's very complex. humility knowing that it's very complex. >> So, right now, I mean, the research is >> So, right now, I mean, the research is >> So, right now, I mean, the research is saying that the young adult in our saying that the young adult in our saying that the young adult in our church and the young adults in the church and the young adults in the church and the young adults in the culture are struggling with anxiousness culture are struggling with anxiousness culture are struggling with anxiousness more than any other generation in more than any other generation in more than any other generation in American history. That anxiety is at an American history. That anxiety is at an American history. That anxiety is at an all-time high. all-time high. all-time high. >> So I I think I would not be pastoring >> So I I think I would not be pastoring >> So I I think I would not be pastoring well if I thought, well, I'm not I'm not well if I thought, well, I'm not I'm not well if I thought, well, I'm not I'm not a trained a trained a trained >> uh psychiatrist or psychologist. And so >> uh psychiatrist or psychologist. And so >> uh psychiatrist or psychologist. And so I I don't think I can talk about this I I don't think I can talk about this I I don't think I can talk about this >> because there's passages that address >> because there's passages that address >> because there's passages that address like the passage here that we taught like the passage here that we taught like the passage here that we taught this weekend addresses. So I want to be this weekend addresses. So I want to be this weekend addresses. So I want to be faithful to the text and apply the text faithful to the text and apply the text faithful to the text and apply the text to people. However, I want to I want to to people. However, I want to I want to to people. However, I want to I want to do so in a humble way realizing that do so in a humble way realizing that do so in a humble way realizing that >> people are really really complex. So, >> people are really really complex. So, >> people are really really complex. So, let me just talk for a moment about the let me just talk for a moment about the let me just talk for a moment about the complexity of complexity of complexity of >> anxiety as I understand it. And and the >> anxiety as I understand it. And and the >> anxiety as I understand it. And and the first would be first would be first would be >> on the individual level.

>> on the individual level. >> on the individual level. >> So, we are complex. We're complex. We're >> So, we are complex. We're complex. We're >> So, we are complex. We're complex. We're God knit us together in our mother's God knit us together in our mother's God knit us together in our mother's wombs, but we are complex people. So wombs, but we are complex people. So wombs, but we are complex people. So it's not as if we can say here's a a it's not as if we can say here's a a it's not as if we can say here's a a solution for every single individual. Um solution for every single individual. Um solution for every single individual. Um we are physical, we are emotional, we we are physical, we are emotional, we we are physical, we are emotional, we are spiritual. So there are times when are spiritual. So there are times when are spiritual. So there are times when anxiety needs to there there could be anxiety needs to there there could be anxiety needs to there there could be anxiety that's been diagnosed by a anxiety that's been diagnosed by a anxiety that's been diagnosed by a doctor that I believe everything I doctor that I believe everything I doctor that I believe everything I talked about in my message take God's talked about in my message take God's talked about in my message take God's truth to your thoughts is helpful but truth to your thoughts is helpful but truth to your thoughts is helpful but someone might need also some therapy someone might need also some therapy someone might need also some therapy someone who's going to help them think someone who's going to help them think someone who's going to help them think through some other solutions in their through some other solutions in their through some other solutions in their life to address physically emotionally life to address physically emotionally life to address physically emotionally do I believe that eliminates the truth do I believe that eliminates the truth do I believe that eliminates the truth of what I shared this sermon? Not at of what I shared this sermon? Not at of what I shared this sermon? Not at all. all. all. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> But I think that can that can be helpful >> But I think that can that can be helpful >> But I think that can that can be helpful tools as well. So I'm really thankful tools as well. So I'm really thankful tools as well. So I'm really thankful for the psychologists in our church, the for the psychologists in our church, the for the psychologists in our church, the counselors, therapists, psychiatrist. I counselors, therapists, psychiatrist. I counselors, therapists, psychiatrist. I I I'm really thankful for the work that I I'm really thankful for the work that I I'm really thankful for the work that they do. So because we are complex, they do. So because we are complex, they do. So because we are complex, physical, social, spiritual.

physical, social, spiritual. physical, social, spiritual. I'm not saying that God's word is only I'm not saying that God's word is only I'm not saying that God's word is only about the spiritual, but I am saying about the spiritual, but I am saying about the spiritual, but I am saying that this passage addresses you going to that this passage addresses you going to that this passage addresses you going to your mind with God's truth. But there your mind with God's truth. But there your mind with God's truth. But there could be some other some other avenues could be some other some other avenues could be some other some other avenues for you to explore. If you are really if for you to explore. If you are really if for you to explore. If you are really if you've been diagnosed with anxiety or you've been diagnosed with anxiety or you've been diagnosed with anxiety or depression, I encourage you to see a depression, I encourage you to see a depression, I encourage you to see a doctor to have a therapist. So that's doctor to have a therapist. So that's doctor to have a therapist. So that's that's the complex when it comes to a that's the complex when it comes to a that's the complex when it comes to a person. person. person. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> When it comes to the cultural moment, >> When it comes to the cultural moment, >> When it comes to the cultural moment, we're also in a complex moment. So, we we're also in a complex moment. So, we we're also in a complex moment. So, we did a a sermon series on the table two did a a sermon series on the table two did a a sermon series on the table two years ago about what's the difference years ago about what's the difference years ago about what's the difference between good therapy and bad therapy between good therapy and bad therapy between good therapy and bad therapy because there has been some research because there has been some research because there has been some research that there's um there's actually some that there's um there's actually some that there's um there's actually some really bad therapy. really bad therapy. really bad therapy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And when I shared that, I I tried to >> And when I shared that, I I tried to >> And when I shared that, I I tried to to not be so offensive to the therapist to not be so offensive to the therapist to not be so offensive to the therapist as if I was saying therapist therapy is as if I was saying therapist therapy is as if I was saying therapist therapy is bad. So, I set up the illustration, this bad. So, I set up the illustration, this bad. So, I set up the illustration, this is a couple years ago, by saying there's is a couple years ago, by saying there's is a couple years ago, by saying there's bad preaching. bad preaching. bad preaching. There's good preaching and bad There's good preaching and bad There's good preaching and bad preaching. Bad preaching would be preaching. Bad preaching would be preaching. Bad preaching would be telling someone you can be good enough telling someone you can be good enough telling someone you can be good enough to earn your way to God. That's horrible to earn your way to God. That's horrible to earn your way to God. That's horrible preaching. That would actually put preaching. That would actually put preaching. That would actually put someone in a worse position.

someone in a worse position. someone in a worse position. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And so bad preaching is preaching that's >> And so bad preaching is preaching that's >> And so bad preaching is preaching that's not true. not true. not true. >> Well, there could be some uh therapy >> Well, there could be some uh therapy >> Well, there could be some uh therapy that is bad because it's telling people that is bad because it's telling people that is bad because it's telling people things that aren't true. And I'm was things that aren't true. And I'm was things that aren't true. And I'm was actually quoting from from psychologists actually quoting from from psychologists actually quoting from from psychologists and counselors who are expressing an an and counselors who are expressing an an and counselors who are expressing an an increasing concern over the therapy increasing concern over the therapy increasing concern over the therapy speak that is done on TikTok, for speak that is done on TikTok, for speak that is done on TikTok, for example, where people who really have no example, where people who really have no example, where people who really have no training are recording these videos and training are recording these videos and training are recording these videos and and just using therapy speak but not and just using therapy speak but not and just using therapy speak but not really getting to the heart of the really getting to the heart of the really getting to the heart of the problems there. problems there. problems there. >> It should terrify us all. >> It should terrify us all. >> It should terrify us all. >> Yeah. There there's people who've gone >> Yeah. There there's people who've gone >> Yeah. There there's people who've gone through I mean decade plus of training through I mean decade plus of training through I mean decade plus of training thousands of hours thousands of hours thousands of hours >> who are just watching people you know >> who are just watching people you know >> who are just watching people you know flip a phone around on TikTok and spat flip a phone around on TikTok and spat flip a phone around on TikTok and spat out some advice like whoa whoa whoa out some advice like whoa whoa whoa out some advice like whoa whoa whoa >> that's not that's not grounded in any >> that's not that's not grounded in any >> that's not that's not grounded in any kind of research or any understand about kind of research or any understand about kind of research or any understand about a lot of different areas of health too a lot of different areas of health too a lot of different areas of health too tons of people have a platform totally tons of people have a platform totally tons of people have a platform totally you know so you know so you know so >> so we live in a we live in a complex >> so we live in a we live in a complex >> so we live in a we live in a complex place when it comes to when it comes to place when it comes to when it comes to place when it comes to when it comes to therapy Now, um, Abigail Shy wrote a therapy Now, um, Abigail Shy wrote a therapy Now, um, Abigail Shy wrote a book that I quoted from in the sermon a book that I quoted from in the sermon a book that I quoted from in the sermon a couple years ago that I that I thought couple years ago that I that I thought couple years ago that I that I thought was a very helpful read. Uh, it's called was a very helpful read. Uh, it's called was a very helpful read. Uh, it's called Bad Therapy. And and her book really was Bad Therapy. And and her book really was Bad Therapy. And and her book really was not speaking about therapy for those who not speaking about therapy for those who not speaking about therapy for those who are adults. So, I'm I'm assuming that are adults. So, I'm I'm assuming that are adults. So, I'm I'm assuming that most of our listeners are adults, but we most of our listeners are adults, but we most of our listeners are adults, but we could have some teenagers who are could have some teenagers who are could have some teenagers who are listening as well. Her premise in her listening as well. Her premise in her listening as well. Her premise in her book was really concerned about those book was really concerned about those book was really concerned about those who are meeting with adolescents and

who are meeting with adolescents and who are meeting with adolescents and even children. And you know I I'll say even children. And you know I I'll say even children. And you know I I'll say one section of the book that was really one section of the book that was really one section of the book that was really compelling to me would be not bringing compelling to me would be not bringing compelling to me would be not bringing truth to thoughts. for example, truth to thoughts. for example, truth to thoughts. for example, >> um she she brought up how the smartphone >> um she she brought up how the smartphone >> um she she brought up how the smartphone how the iPhone and other smartphones has how the iPhone and other smartphones has how the iPhone and other smartphones has I mean so much research has has shown I mean so much research has has shown I mean so much research has has shown how that has brought anxiety into the how that has brought anxiety into the how that has brought anxiety into the lives of teenagers lives of teenagers lives of teenagers >> and yet she points out that not any of >> and yet she points out that not any of >> and yet she points out that not any of the psychological organizations issued a the psychological organizations issued a the psychological organizations issued a warning call to the cell phone warning call to the cell phone warning call to the cell phone >> that really according to research the >> that really according to research the >> that really according to research the most helpful thing again this is most helpful thing again this is most helpful thing again this is speaking about therapy for adolescence speaking about therapy for adolescence speaking about therapy for adolescence that The most helpful thing a counselor that The most helpful thing a counselor that The most helpful thing a counselor could have done for a 15-year-old was could have done for a 15-year-old was could have done for a 15-year-old was turn your phone into your parents. turn your phone into your parents. turn your phone into your parents. >> Delete social media >> Delete social media >> Delete social media >> as opposed to just getting people um >> as opposed to just getting people um >> as opposed to just getting people um together for 50 minutes a week and then together for 50 minutes a week and then together for 50 minutes a week and then asking how they feel, asking how they feel, asking how they feel, >> but actually then applying truth. And >> but actually then applying truth. And >> but actually then applying truth. And there's some things that that there's there's some things that that there's there's some things that that there's some therapy where truth isn't spoken, some therapy where truth isn't spoken, some therapy where truth isn't spoken, right? So that's addressing the right? So that's addressing the right? So that's addressing the complexity of the cultural moment. So, complexity of the cultural moment. So, complexity of the cultural moment. So, we are in a we are in a cultural moment we are in a we are in a cultural moment we are in a we are in a cultural moment where people are overusing therapy where people are overusing therapy where people are overusing therapy speak. We are in a cultural moment where speak. We are in a cultural moment where speak. We are in a cultural moment where anxiety is at an all-time high. Um, we anxiety is at an all-time high. Um, we anxiety is at an all-time high. Um, we are in a moment where there is clarity are in a moment where there is clarity are in a moment where there is clarity about some of the things that have about some of the things that have about some of the things that have brought anxiousness to to people brought anxiousness to to people brought anxiousness to to people including social media. It was why we including social media. It was why we including social media. It was why we had our kids that couldn't get a phone had our kids that couldn't get a phone had our kids that couldn't get a phone until freshman year and they couldn't until freshman year and they couldn't until freshman year and they couldn't get social media till junior year. Um,

get social media till junior year. Um, get social media till junior year. Um, and we were adamant about that even when and we were adamant about that even when and we were adamant about that even when they were small because I read I mean an they were small because I read I mean an they were small because I read I mean an insane amount of research about how it insane amount of research about how it insane amount of research about how it brought anxiety into this generation. brought anxiety into this generation. brought anxiety into this generation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Jonathan Height wrote the the book The >> Jonathan Height wrote the the book The >> Jonathan Height wrote the the book The Anxious Generation. And I mean, he Anxious Generation. And I mean, he Anxious Generation. And I mean, he basically said that after when he read basically said that after when he read basically said that after when he read when I read the book, I'm like, "Oh my when I read the book, I'm like, "Oh my when I read the book, I'm like, "Oh my goodness, thank God." He he he gave the goodness, thank God." He he he gave the goodness, thank God." He he he gave the rules that we had given our kids years rules that we had given our kids years rules that we had given our kids years before. No phone till freshman year, no before. No phone till freshman year, no before. No phone till freshman year, no social media till junior year. And he he social media till junior year. And he he social media till junior year. And he he believed now he's a professor at NYU. he believed now he's a professor at NYU. he believed now he's a professor at NYU. he believe or articulates that we could I believe or articulates that we could I believe or articulates that we could I mean he it's a a massive statement that mean he it's a a massive statement that mean he it's a a massive statement that we could solve the anxious generation we could solve the anxious generation we could solve the anxious generation crisis within six months crisis within six months crisis within six months >> if we did if we did this. Now he's not >> if we did if we did this. Now he's not >> if we did if we did this. Now he's not saying that not anyone's going to saying that not anyone's going to saying that not anyone's going to struggle with anxiety, right? struggle with anxiety, right? struggle with anxiety, right? >> But he's just saying this this hockey >> But he's just saying this this hockey >> But he's just saying this this hockey stick of a spike in anxiousness stick of a spike in anxiousness stick of a spike in anxiousness >> could be solved by addressing the phone. >> could be solved by addressing the phone. >> could be solved by addressing the phone. >> Wow. So when you have researchers and >> Wow. So when you have researchers and >> Wow. So when you have researchers and this is not Gene Twang wrote the book this is not Gene Twang wrote the book this is not Gene Twang wrote the book the IGEN and and her and Jonathan height the IGEN and and her and Jonathan height the IGEN and and her and Jonathan height you the professor at NYU she's at San you the professor at NYU she's at San you the professor at NYU she's at San Diego State they did tons of research on Diego State they did tons of research on Diego State they did tons of research on this they have a they have a Google this they have a they have a Google this they have a they have a Google document that has three to 400 pages document that has three to 400 pages document that has three to 400 pages just uploading all of their research just uploading all of their research just uploading all of their research it's public domain anybody can see it.

it's public domain anybody can see it. it's public domain anybody can see it. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I mean, they're they they really >> Yeah. I mean, they're they they really >> Yeah. I mean, they're they they really are adamant about this and have done are adamant about this and have done are adamant about this and have done tons of research studies. tons of research studies. tons of research studies. >> And so that's why Abigail Shy is able to >> And so that's why Abigail Shy is able to >> And so that's why Abigail Shy is able to say, say, say, >> "Hey, if your counselor isn't saying >> "Hey, if your counselor isn't saying >> "Hey, if your counselor isn't saying this, isn't asking you what your this, isn't asking you what your this, isn't asking you what your relationship is with your phone, relationship is with your phone, relationship is with your phone, >> maybe you should ask is the is the >> maybe you should ask is the is the >> maybe you should ask is the is the endgame just to keep the person in endgame just to keep the person in endgame just to keep the person in therapy forever and ever and ever." So therapy forever and ever and ever." So therapy forever and ever and ever." So that that's I mean that it was a that that's I mean that it was a that that's I mean that it was a compelling it's a compelling question. compelling it's a compelling question. compelling it's a compelling question. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> I I please hear me though. I first >> I I please hear me though. I first >> I I please hear me though. I first started with the complexity of the human started with the complexity of the human started with the complexity of the human soul and and how complex we are. But the soul and and how complex we are. But the soul and and how complex we are. But the moment we are in moment we are in moment we are in >> um >> um >> um >> is complex too. Yet this passage is >> is complex too. Yet this passage is >> is complex too. Yet this passage is ancient and here's David saying ancient and here's David saying ancient and here's David saying >> I have all these agonizing thoughts >> I have all these agonizing thoughts >> I have all these agonizing thoughts within my mind. within my mind. within my mind. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. >> So um I think I mean Eric you kind of >> So um I think I mean Eric you kind of >> So um I think I mean Eric you kind of begun our conversation there. So we begun our conversation there. So we begun our conversation there. So we could speak to the um those who each of could speak to the um those who each of could speak to the um those who each of us know each of us know these people who us know each of us know these people who us know each of us know these people who I think we got we got sharing before I think we got we got sharing before I think we got we got sharing before everything was rolling here just that everything was rolling here just that everything was rolling here just that >> none of us have necessarily been >> none of us have necessarily been >> none of us have necessarily been diagnosed with anxiety though we've diagnosed with anxiety though we've diagnosed with anxiety though we've experienced anxiousness experienced anxiousness experienced anxiousness >> and yeah >> and yeah >> and yeah >> yeah the sorry I thought you >> yeah the sorry I thought you >> yeah the sorry I thought you >> yeah I mean I've had I I've had uh some >> yeah I mean I've had I I've had uh some >> yeah I mean I've had I I've had uh some seasons where I I met with people and seasons where I I met with people and seasons where I I met with people and and and and >> I defin I you know I don't know if it >> I defin I you know I don't know if it >> I defin I you know I don't know if it was long term but it was like how do we was long term but it was like how do we was long term but it was like how do we get you through get you through get you through There's one time specifically in the There's one time specifically in the There's one time specifically in the marketplace where you know consistent marketplace where you know consistent marketplace where you know consistent panic attacks uh sense of anxiousness.

panic attacks uh sense of anxiousness. panic attacks uh sense of anxiousness. Um Um Um >> and yeah I I and I was really thankful >> and yeah I I and I was really thankful >> and yeah I I and I was really thankful for for for people who who sat with me for for for people who who sat with me for for for people who who sat with me and and helped me and and helped me and and helped me >> absolutely >> absolutely >> absolutely >> diagnose myself and and I was thankful >> diagnose myself and and I was thankful >> diagnose myself and and I was thankful for those who were skilled in this for those who were skilled in this for those who were skilled in this discipline. discipline. discipline. >> Yeah. Absolutely. It's that's helpful to >> Yeah. Absolutely. It's that's helpful to >> Yeah. Absolutely. It's that's helpful to hear too. And hear too. And hear too. And >> in other words, I needed someone uh who >> in other words, I needed someone uh who >> in other words, I needed someone uh who is more skilled in it than I am. is more skilled in it than I am. is more skilled in it than I am. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, there are times when someone >> You know, there are times when someone >> You know, there are times when someone like me is sufficient. like me is sufficient. like me is sufficient. >> You know, like a like as a friend, you >> You know, like a like as a friend, you >> You know, like a like as a friend, you know, like know, like know, like >> to sit down and say, "Man, what's your >> to sit down and say, "Man, what's your >> to sit down and say, "Man, what's your struggle?" And I can help you kind of struggle?" And I can help you kind of struggle?" And I can help you kind of diagnose as a buddy, you know, and and diagnose as a buddy, you know, and and diagnose as a buddy, you know, and and remind you of God's word. remind you of God's word. remind you of God's word. >> And then there's times when >> And then there's times when >> And then there's times when >> you need someone who has some reps. >> you need someone who has some reps. >> you need someone who has some reps. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In this discipline. Yeah. In the in the >> In this discipline. Yeah. In the in the >> In this discipline. Yeah. In the in the study of the human mind. That's a that's study of the human mind. That's a that's study of the human mind. That's a that's a beautiful example though. It's like a beautiful example though. It's like a beautiful example though. It's like you were running out of tools of what you were running out of tools of what you were running out of tools of what you knew and you knew and you knew and >> you had faith in Jesus, you had >> you had faith in Jesus, you had >> you had faith in Jesus, you had community, you had a supportive wife and community, you had a supportive wife and community, you had a supportive wife and still there was further conversations still there was further conversations still there was further conversations that needed to happen. that needed to happen. that needed to happen. >> But I will say it is also true that >> But I will say it is also true that >> But I will say it is also true that sometimes uh someone and this was my sometimes uh someone and this was my sometimes uh someone and this was my case who who could get in a in a worse case who who could get in a in a worse case who who could get in a in a worse position. Um, there were some disrupted position. Um, there were some disrupted position. Um, there were some disrupted rhythms of exercise when you're such an rhythms of exercise when you're such an rhythms of exercise when you're such an overwhelmed season in in at that point overwhelmed season in in at that point overwhelmed season in in at that point in my career in my career in my career >> where exercise was less, where eating >> where exercise was less, where eating >> where exercise was less, where eating habits weren't awesome, where community habits weren't awesome, where community habits weren't awesome, where community wasn't great. We had just moved to wasn't great. We had just moved to wasn't great. We had just moved to Nashville from Miami. So I didn't have Nashville from Miami. So I didn't have Nashville from Miami. So I didn't have all of the the things right now that are all of the the things right now that are all of the the things right now that are present in my life. Yeah. You know, and

present in my life. Yeah. You know, and present in my life. Yeah. You know, and so so so it but still I was grateful for it but still I was grateful for it but still I was grateful for >> for people who have studied lots of >> for people who have studied lots of >> for people who have studied lots of years of their life the human mind. years of their life the human mind. years of their life the human mind. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> For sure. >> For sure. >> For sure. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. I mean I I think my relationship >> Yeah. I mean I I think my relationship >> Yeah. I mean I I think my relationship to anxiety is it's not necessarily to anxiety is it's not necessarily to anxiety is it's not necessarily unique. It's just different because unique. It's just different because unique. It's just different because Yeah. Like I I was sharing with you guys Yeah. Like I I was sharing with you guys Yeah. Like I I was sharing with you guys earlier, I I'm not an anxious person, earlier, I I'm not an anxious person, earlier, I I'm not an anxious person, but of course I've been through seasons but of course I've been through seasons but of course I've been through seasons and moments of anxiety. U but I uh my and moments of anxiety. U but I uh my and moments of anxiety. U but I uh my wife and I, Satie and I have been wife and I, Satie and I have been wife and I, Satie and I have been married for 21 years now, and I got her married for 21 years now, and I got her married for 21 years now, and I got her permission to share this. I'm married to permission to share this. I'm married to permission to share this. I'm married to somebody who struggles with anxiety and somebody who struggles with anxiety and somebody who struggles with anxiety and kind of a lot of the default way of kind of a lot of the default way of kind of a lot of the default way of processing the world around us for her a processing the world around us for her a processing the world around us for her a lot of the times is through the lens of lot of the times is through the lens of lot of the times is through the lens of anxiety. anxiety. anxiety. >> And she loves Jesus. She leads worship >> And she loves Jesus. She leads worship >> And she loves Jesus. She leads worship with me. She prays to him. like she has with me. She prays to him. like she has with me. She prays to him. like she has such a beautiful relationship with him such a beautiful relationship with him such a beautiful relationship with him and yet there's there's this real and yet there's there's this real and yet there's there's this real struggle struggle struggle >> with um anxiety, right? And for me um >> with um anxiety, right? And for me um >> with um anxiety, right? And for me um once again going back to Sunday school once again going back to Sunday school once again going back to Sunday school Christianity, right? I'm not knocking Christianity, right? I'm not knocking Christianity, right? I'm not knocking Sunday school. It's awesome. But I think Sunday school. It's awesome. But I think Sunday school. It's awesome. But I think the oversimplified way sometimes of the oversimplified way sometimes of the oversimplified way sometimes of walking through this kind of stuff is walking through this kind of stuff is walking through this kind of stuff is like we're we're just quoting Bible like we're we're just quoting Bible like we're we're just quoting Bible verses. We're saying let's pray this verses. We're saying let's pray this verses. We're saying let's pray this away, right? Yeah.

away, right? Yeah. away, right? Yeah. >> But what we see from David's example and >> But what we see from David's example and >> But what we see from David's example and what we see throughout scripture is what we see throughout scripture is what we see throughout scripture is yeah, there's there are real struggles yeah, there's there are real struggles yeah, there's there are real struggles that remain true though we can continue that remain true though we can continue that remain true though we can continue to hold on to the promises of God. And to hold on to the promises of God. And to hold on to the promises of God. And so for me, I've just learned to have so for me, I've just learned to have so for me, I've just learned to have greater compassion for the complexity of greater compassion for the complexity of greater compassion for the complexity of this as we've been talking about. this as we've been talking about. this as we've been talking about. >> And it's caused me to um have have um a >> And it's caused me to um have have um a >> And it's caused me to um have have um a a desire to understand more deeply a desire to understand more deeply a desire to understand more deeply though my wiring is not to to respond though my wiring is not to to respond though my wiring is not to to respond with with anxiety. And yeah, and I think with with anxiety. And yeah, and I think with with anxiety. And yeah, and I think and I think that's just a general great and I think that's just a general great and I think that's just a general great way for the Christian to live as well, way for the Christian to live as well, way for the Christian to live as well, right? Where sometimes we feel liberated right? Where sometimes we feel liberated right? Where sometimes we feel liberated because of the truth of um how God has because of the truth of um how God has because of the truth of um how God has spoken to us. spoken to us. spoken to us. >> But as Christians, learning how to walk >> But as Christians, learning how to walk >> But as Christians, learning how to walk with compassion and a curiosity even with compassion and a curiosity even with compassion and a curiosity even about the other person's experience, I about the other person's experience, I about the other person's experience, I think just makes us a little bit more think just makes us a little bit more think just makes us a little bit more like Jesus. like Jesus. like Jesus. >> Yeah. Well, what I'm thankful for that >> Yeah. Well, what I'm thankful for that >> Yeah. Well, what I'm thankful for that you shared is the recognition you shared is the recognition you shared is the recognition recognition just with with Satie, but recognition just with with Satie, but recognition just with with Satie, but also with David that someone who loves also with David that someone who loves also with David that someone who loves God and who's singing, it's not like, God and who's singing, it's not like, God and who's singing, it's not like, hey, if you sing really loud today and hey, if you sing really loud today and hey, if you sing really loud today and really hard, then all of your struggle really hard, then all of your struggle really hard, then all of your struggle is going to go away.

is going to go away. is going to go away. >> That in between Psalm 142, which was >> That in between Psalm 142, which was >> That in between Psalm 142, which was week one, and Psalm 13 was a lot of week one, and Psalm 13 was a lot of week one, and Psalm 13 was a lot of time, and David's still struggling, time, and David's still struggling, time, and David's still struggling, >> yet he's still bringing his struggles. >> yet he's still bringing his struggles. >> yet he's still bringing his struggles. He's still bringing his struggles to He's still bringing his struggles to He's still bringing his struggles to God. Yep. God. Yep. God. Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> One thing I've tried to encourage >> One thing I've tried to encourage >> One thing I've tried to encourage teenagers that I've worked with and and teenagers that I've worked with and and teenagers that I've worked with and and and friends of mine is and friends of mine is and friends of mine is >> when you have a season of anxiousness to >> when you have a season of anxiousness to >> when you have a season of anxiousness to not start to view that as your identity. not start to view that as your identity. not start to view that as your identity. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> And that is another thing that's >> And that is another thing that's >> And that is another thing that's happening in our in the therapeutic happening in our in the therapeutic happening in our in the therapeutic speak culture speak culture speak culture >> where people >> where people >> where people >> some kind of times have labels put on >> some kind of times have labels put on >> some kind of times have labels put on them them them >> or some even say some psychologists >> or some even say some psychologists >> or some even say some psychologists believe or sociologists that we live in believe or sociologists that we live in believe or sociologists that we live in a time right now where people like a time right now where people like a time right now where people like having labels, you know, I'm this, I'm having labels, you know, I'm this, I'm having labels, you know, I'm this, I'm this. But the wrestle with with if you this. But the wrestle with with if you this. But the wrestle with with if you label yourself this person is you then label yourself this person is you then label yourself this person is you then start to to live out that identity, start to to live out that identity, start to to live out that identity, >> right? I I you can have a struggle as a >> right? I I you can have a struggle as a >> right? I I you can have a struggle as a Christian and you you will you'll have Christian and you you will you'll have Christian and you you will you'll have struggles as a Christian. I just want struggles as a Christian. I just want struggles as a Christian. I just want you to hold this is what I would say to you to hold this is what I would say to you to hold this is what I would say to my daughters. I just want you to hold to my daughters. I just want you to hold to my daughters. I just want you to hold to Christ being your ultimate identity.

Christ being your ultimate identity. Christ being your ultimate identity. You're his and then you struggle. Not You're his and then you struggle. Not You're his and then you struggle. Not you're this. you're this. you're this. >> You aren't this ultimately. This >> You aren't this ultimately. This >> You aren't this ultimately. This whatever your struggle is isn't your whatever your struggle is isn't your whatever your struggle is isn't your ultimate identity. ultimate identity. ultimate identity. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So you you aren't anxious. You may have >> So you you aren't anxious. You may have >> So you you aren't anxious. You may have anxiousness and I know that. I'm not anxiousness and I know that. I'm not anxiousness and I know that. I'm not trying to be I just trying to not let a trying to be I just trying to not let a trying to be I just trying to not let a someone I love claim the label. That's someone I love claim the label. That's someone I love claim the label. That's right. That then defines them. Right. right. That then defines them. Right. right. That then defines them. Right. >> You can deeply have this struggle, but >> You can deeply have this struggle, but >> You can deeply have this struggle, but ultimately greater than the struggle. ultimately greater than the struggle. ultimately greater than the struggle. You're his. You're his. You're his. And You're his. You're his. You're his. And You're his. You're his. You're his. And you you struggle with it. Yes. You have you you struggle with it. Yes. You have you you struggle with it. Yes. You have an anxious moment. Yes, you're wrestling an anxious moment. Yes, you're wrestling an anxious moment. Yes, you're wrestling with anxiety, but you're don't don't with anxiety, but you're don't don't with anxiety, but you're don't don't take a label that then becomes your take a label that then becomes your take a label that then becomes your overarching identity. Let Jesus be your overarching identity. Let Jesus be your overarching identity. Let Jesus be your overarching identity. You know, overarching identity. You know, overarching identity. You know, >> that's good. I do I I'm thankful that >> that's good. I do I I'm thankful that >> that's good. I do I I'm thankful that you shared about Sadi and um she is one you shared about Sadi and um she is one you shared about Sadi and um she is one of another amazing worship leader that of another amazing worship leader that of another amazing worship leader that we have at our church we have at our church we have at our church >> and um I I do think I'm remembering now >> and um I I do think I'm remembering now >> and um I I do think I'm remembering now just my closest friends who have just my closest friends who have just my closest friends who have wrestled with anxiety wrestled with anxiety wrestled with anxiety >> and when we will you know either in >> and when we will you know either in >> and when we will you know either in Bible study or in prayer together Bible study or in prayer together Bible study or in prayer together hearing them hearing them hearing them >> talk about the faithful love of God from >> talk about the faithful love of God from >> talk about the faithful love of God from a place where they are very uncertain a place where they are very uncertain a place where they are very uncertain and very scared and very anxious. It's and very scared and very anxious. It's and very scared and very anxious. It's actually it says it's very powerful to actually it says it's very powerful to actually it says it's very powerful to me. It's it feels louder than my me. It's it feels louder than my me. It's it feels louder than my proclamation sometimes of cuz I know it proclamation sometimes of cuz I know it proclamation sometimes of cuz I know it comes from a place where they fight for comes from a place where they fight for comes from a place where they fight for those words, you know. So, it's really those words, you know. So, it's really those words, you know. So, it's really >> and they they experienced um the the >> and they they experienced um the the >> and they they experienced um the the depth of God's grace meeting them in the

depth of God's grace meeting them in the depth of God's grace meeting them in the depth of their pain. depth of their pain. depth of their pain. >> Yes. And >> Yes. And >> Yes. And >> so when >> so when >> so when >> the depth of his grace meets the depth >> the depth of his grace meets the depth >> the depth of his grace meets the depth of your pain, of your pain, of your pain, >> there there is rejoicing. And it's a >> there there is rejoicing. And it's a >> there there is rejoicing. And it's a this the testimony is such a powerful this the testimony is such a powerful this the testimony is such a powerful sustaining sustaining sustaining >> grace testimony. Yes. His grace still >> grace testimony. Yes. His grace still >> grace testimony. Yes. His grace still has me. Yes. You know, which is which is has me. Yes. You know, which is which is has me. Yes. You know, which is which is David. He has treated me generously. David. He has treated me generously. David. He has treated me generously. >> He's still with me. He's still generous >> He's still with me. He's still generous >> He's still with me. He's still generous and good to me. Yes. and good to me. Yes. and good to me. Yes. >> In the midst of the howongs. >> In the midst of the howongs. >> In the midst of the howongs. >> Oh, the still word is just amazing. >> Oh, the still word is just amazing. >> Oh, the still word is just amazing. Yeah. So true. Yeah. So true. Yeah. So true. >> Beautiful. >> Beautiful. >> Beautiful. >> Yeah. And I find myself then, similar to >> Yeah. And I find myself then, similar to >> Yeah. And I find myself then, similar to Eric, it's in a season where I might be Eric, it's in a season where I might be Eric, it's in a season where I might be experiencing anxiousness, experiencing anxiousness, experiencing anxiousness, like I can I kind of am remembering like I can I kind of am remembering like I can I kind of am remembering their testimony like they they inspire their testimony like they they inspire their testimony like they they inspire me, you know, to cry out and to continue me, you know, to cry out and to continue me, you know, to cry out and to continue to to worship. So, to to worship. So, to to worship. So, >> um well, I I want to hit on this, too. >> um well, I I want to hit on this, too. >> um well, I I want to hit on this, too. the um the idea that you opened with in the um the idea that you opened with in the um the idea that you opened with in your sermon where you talked about you your sermon where you talked about you your sermon where you talked about you you kind of were um I almost used the you kind of were um I almost used the you kind of were um I almost used the word naming sorry identifying word naming sorry identifying word naming sorry identifying >> sorry [laughter and gasps] >> sorry [laughter and gasps] >> sorry [laughter and gasps] in the beginning of your message you in the beginning of your message you in the beginning of your message you were talking about how you've identified were talking about how you've identified were talking about how you've identified some specific times or seasons of your some specific times or seasons of your some specific times or seasons of your life where this has come up for you.

life where this has come up for you. life where this has come up for you. >> Yeah. Um, how important is it for us to >> Yeah. Um, how important is it for us to >> Yeah. Um, how important is it for us to really understand what those things really understand what those things really understand what those things might be in our lives like when when might be in our lives like when when might be in our lives like when when something causes us? something causes us? something causes us? >> It's so important and that's why I'm >> It's so important and that's why I'm >> It's so important and that's why I'm thankful for community to ask thankful for community to ask thankful for community to ask penetrating intrusive questions almost, penetrating intrusive questions almost, penetrating intrusive questions almost, you know, like when when was this that you know, like when when was this that you know, like when when was this that would help you identify? Yeah. And it would help you identify? Yeah. And it would help you identify? Yeah. And it the reality is there's nothing that was the reality is there's nothing that was the reality is there's nothing that was identified that research and scripture identified that research and scripture identified that research and scripture really God's general revelation research really God's general revelation research really God's general revelation research that psychologists and researchers have that psychologists and researchers have that psychologists and researchers have done on the human mind and the scripture done on the human mind and the scripture done on the human mind and the scripture validate which would be have community validate which would be have community validate which would be have community >> uh enjoy your work >> uh enjoy your work >> uh enjoy your work >> exercise you know those those rhythms >> exercise you know those those rhythms >> exercise you know those those rhythms are so important you know there's are so important you know there's are so important you know there's there's so many that have said there's so many that have said there's so many that have said >> movements like medicine and there's some >> movements like medicine and there's some >> movements like medicine and there's some some research that says that the some research that says that the some research that says that the exercise is is almost like a low dosage exercise is is almost like a low dosage exercise is is almost like a low dosage of anxiety medicine. I mean that you of anxiety medicine. I mean that you of anxiety medicine. I mean that you know moving is really really important know moving is really really important know moving is really really important you know so if you you know so if you you know so if you >> if you >> if you >> if you >> if you have those rhythms in your life >> if you have those rhythms in your life >> if you have those rhythms in your life I'm not saying that you won't struggle I'm not saying that you won't struggle I'm not saying that you won't struggle at all but you are you are put in a at all but you are you are put in a at all but you are you are put in a better position and I I just learned better position and I I just learned better position and I I just learned that early you know and thankfully and that early you know and thankfully and that early you know and thankfully and learned that over time that learned that over time that learned that over time that >> the the the disciplines in my life the >> the the the disciplines in my life the >> the the the disciplines in my life the daily rituals in my life daily rituals in my life daily rituals in my life >> would would help.

>> would would help. >> would would help. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I found that to be true >> Yeah. I mean, I found that to be true >> Yeah. I mean, I found that to be true for myself as well. Um, for myself as well. Um, for myself as well. Um, >> yeah. The like right now because I've >> yeah. The like right now because I've >> yeah. The like right now because I've been struggling with elbow tendonitis been struggling with elbow tendonitis been struggling with elbow tendonitis for a couple years, I'm not able to for a couple years, I'm not able to for a couple years, I'm not able to >> play sports. Yeah. I'm not able to cuz >> play sports. Yeah. I'm not able to cuz >> play sports. Yeah. I'm not able to cuz >> Not the pickle ball. >> Not the pickle ball. >> Not the pickle ball. >> Yeah. Pickle ball. The the the recent >> Yeah. Pickle ball. The the the recent >> Yeah. Pickle ball. The the the recent love of my life. Um, hoops. [laughter] love of my life. Um, hoops. [laughter] love of my life. Um, hoops. [laughter] >> Yeah. And hoops. >> Yeah. And hoops. >> Yeah. And hoops. >> How long has it been since you played >> How long has it been since you played >> How long has it been since you played hoops, hoops, hoops, >> man? It's been two over two years. Yeah. >> man? It's been two over two years. Yeah. >> man? It's been two over two years. Yeah. Yeah. Eric and I used to play every Yeah. Eric and I used to play every Yeah. Eric and I used to play every Sunday, but um I've I've gotten older Sunday, but um I've I've gotten older Sunday, but um I've I've gotten older just like Eric has. And just like Eric has. And just like Eric has. And >> I have, too. And uh >> I have, too. And uh >> I have, too. And uh >> I I feel like I get injured every time I >> I I feel like I get injured every time I >> I I feel like I get injured every time I go, which it's [laughter] that there's go, which it's [laughter] that there's go, which it's [laughter] that there's actually been some grieving giving up actually been some grieving giving up actually been some grieving giving up hoops. hoops. hoops. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Because and it relates to this. I I will >> Because and it relates to this. I I will >> Because and it relates to this. I I will say say say >> I mean just pounding it out on the court >> I mean just pounding it out on the court >> I mean just pounding it out on the court for for an hour. I mean you're like just for for an hour. I mean you're like just for for an hour. I mean you're like just the heavy run in the banging you know the heavy run in the banging you know the heavy run in the banging you know like like a you know like little little like like a you know like little little like like a you know like little little like like you know like elbows flying like like you know like elbows flying like like you know like elbows flying >> some safe aggression maybe. >> some safe aggression maybe. >> some safe aggression maybe. >> It's very cathartic. Yeah, >> It's very cathartic. Yeah, >> It's very cathartic. Yeah, >> it is. You drive home and it feels like >> it is. You drive home and it feels like >> it is. You drive home and it feels like >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Like not only my body, but my mind has >> Like not only my body, but my mind has >> Like not only my body, but my mind has been cleared. You feel that, too?

been cleared. You feel that, too? been cleared. You feel that, too? >> Oh, yeah. Big time. I mean, exercise is >> Oh, yeah. Big time. I mean, exercise is >> Oh, yeah. Big time. I mean, exercise is great. great. great. >> Yeah. It's a weird not weird, it's it's >> Yeah. It's a weird not weird, it's it's >> Yeah. It's a weird not weird, it's it's how God designed our bodies. There's a how God designed our bodies. There's a how God designed our bodies. There's a there's a scientific biological there's a scientific biological there's a scientific biological cleansing that happens as we sweat it cleansing that happens as we sweat it cleansing that happens as we sweat it out, right? out, right? out, right? >> And so, I've had to find other ways, at >> And so, I've had to find other ways, at >> And so, I've had to find other ways, at least for my physical body. And so, now least for my physical body. And so, now least for my physical body. And so, now I hate running, but I go to the gym a I hate running, but I go to the gym a I hate running, but I go to the gym a few times a week just to get my cardio few times a week just to get my cardio few times a week just to get my cardio on. on. on. >> Dude, I hate running. >> Dude, I hate running. >> Dude, I hate running. >> Yeah. because I can't play sports. But >> Yeah. because I can't play sports. But >> Yeah. because I can't play sports. But but like to Eric's point, I've but like to Eric's point, I've but like to Eric's point, I've recognized that that is a very important recognized that that is a very important recognized that that is a very important part of my life. The the holistic health part of my life. The the holistic health part of my life. The the holistic health aspect. It's just how God created us. aspect. It's just how God created us. aspect. It's just how God created us. >> And yeah, time with friends big time, >> And yeah, time with friends big time, >> And yeah, time with friends big time, right? Yeah. Where I can get honest and right? Yeah. Where I can get honest and right? Yeah. Where I can get honest and deep with people and they can ask me deep with people and they can ask me deep with people and they can ask me questions and obviously uh and I got questions and obviously uh and I got questions and obviously uh and I got this example from from Eric how this example from from Eric how this example from from Eric how intentional he is with K. Right now intentional he is with K. Right now intentional he is with K. Right now Satie and I we we go out on date meals Satie and I we we go out on date meals Satie and I we we go out on date meals twice a week. twice a week. twice a week. >> Dude, come on. >> Dude, come on. >> Dude, come on. >> That's just because that's the season of >> That's just because that's the season of >> That's just because that's the season of life. My my son is driving now. my my life. My my son is driving now. my my life. My my son is driving now. my my daughter has her ebike, we're good, you daughter has her ebike, we're good, you daughter has her ebike, we're good, you know, they're they're just hanging. So know, they're they're just hanging. So know, they're they're just hanging. So So being able to go out twice a week So being able to go out twice a week So being able to go out twice a week with my wife and just connecting at that with my wife and just connecting at that with my wife and just connecting at that level. Um and then me also being able to level. Um and then me also being able to level. Um and then me also being able to ask her like what what she's hung up on, ask her like what what she's hung up on, ask her like what what she's hung up on, right? Like what what is she anxious right? Like what what is she anxious right? Like what what is she anxious about right now, right? And just being about right now, right? And just being about right now, right? And just being able to process together.

able to process together. able to process together. >> So good. Um and then also I think >> So good. Um and then also I think >> So good. Um and then also I think there's an ordering of the mind that I I there's an ordering of the mind that I I there's an ordering of the mind that I I just kind of learned over the years. just kind of learned over the years. just kind of learned over the years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Where I know that for some it doesn't >> Where I know that for some it doesn't >> Where I know that for some it doesn't come as naturally. And so, so I say this come as naturally. And so, so I say this come as naturally. And so, so I say this asking for grace, but for me, you know, asking for grace, but for me, you know, asking for grace, but for me, you know, I've been able to recognize when I've been able to recognize when I've been able to recognize when something is causing some anxiety in me, something is causing some anxiety in me, something is causing some anxiety in me, being able to put it in the appropriate being able to put it in the appropriate being able to put it in the appropriate shelf sometimes, right? And sometimes we shelf sometimes, right? And sometimes we shelf sometimes, right? And sometimes we have an a response to just kind of throw have an a response to just kind of throw have an a response to just kind of throw everything away or make everything the everything away or make everything the everything away or make everything the biggest deal, but putting something in biggest deal, but putting something in biggest deal, but putting something in its appropriate place and to where we its appropriate place and to where we its appropriate place and to where we started of like the how long, how how started of like the how long, how how started of like the how long, how how long. I've I found that if I put a long. I've I found that if I put a long. I've I found that if I put a timeline to the things causing me timeline to the things causing me timeline to the things causing me anxiety, even like tasks, so many tasks, anxiety, even like tasks, so many tasks, anxiety, even like tasks, so many tasks, I think tasks are the source of my I think tasks are the source of my I think tasks are the source of my anxiety sometimes. Feeling like, oh, anxiety sometimes. Feeling like, oh, anxiety sometimes. Feeling like, oh, there's too much to do, but when I take there's too much to do, but when I take there's too much to do, but when I take the time to like write it out, put the time to like write it out, put the time to like write it out, put timelines to it, it's just been helpful timelines to it, it's just been helpful timelines to it, it's just been helpful for me. for me. for me. >> I know that this topic goes way beyond >> I know that this topic goes way beyond >> I know that this topic goes way beyond that, but for me, that, but for me, that, but for me, >> it's a helpful tool. It is that I I I >> it's a helpful tool. It is that I I I >> it's a helpful tool. It is that I I I agree 100% on when work has got agree 100% on when work has got agree 100% on when work has got overwhelming for me. Kay, you know, overwhelming for me. Kay, you know, overwhelming for me. Kay, you know, she's got her her masters in mental she's got her her masters in mental she's got her her masters in mental health counseling, so Kay's been health counseling, so Kay's been health counseling, so Kay's been helpful. I mean, it's been it's been helpful. I mean, it's been it's been helpful. I mean, it's been it's been great to have someone tell me what's great to have someone tell me what's great to have someone tell me what's wrong with me. Not joking. [laughter] wrong with me. Not joking. [laughter] wrong with me. Not joking. [laughter] Uh, but when when I'm overwhelmed at Uh, but when when I'm overwhelmed at Uh, but when when I'm overwhelmed at times, she has said, "Hey, times, she has said, "Hey, times, she has said, "Hey, >> choose one thing and knock that out."

>> choose one thing and knock that out." >> choose one thing and knock that out." >> And that is really helpful. You know, >> And that is really helpful. You know, >> And that is really helpful. You know, there when there's like 12 things to do, there when there's like 12 things to do, there when there's like 12 things to do, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> When when by tomorrow morning there's >> When when by tomorrow morning there's >> When when by tomorrow morning there's only 10, it's still 10, but it's not 12. only 10, it's still 10, but it's not 12. only 10, it's still 10, but it's not 12. >> Exactly. You know, it that's been a >> Exactly. You know, it that's been a >> Exactly. You know, it that's been a helpful tool for me. helpful tool for me. helpful tool for me. >> For sure. >> For sure. >> For sure. >> Yeah. I love it. I love it. >> Yeah. I love it. I love it. >> Yeah. I love it. I love it. >> Um, I'd love for us to close talking >> Um, I'd love for us to close talking >> Um, I'd love for us to close talking about Michael Card's definition of that about Michael Card's definition of that about Michael Card's definition of that hessid love. hessid love. hessid love. >> It was so stunning to read that. Yeah. >> It was so stunning to read that. Yeah. >> It was so stunning to read that. Yeah. [clears throat] And to to understand too [clears throat] And to to understand too [clears throat] And to to understand too really or I guess to call out that um really or I guess to call out that um really or I guess to call out that um >> David is using such a rich word for >> David is using such a rich word for >> David is using such a rich word for God's love in this passage God's love in this passage God's love in this passage >> in the midst of so much pain. Kind of >> in the midst of so much pain. Kind of >> in the midst of so much pain. Kind of similar to what we were just talking similar to what we were just talking similar to what we were just talking about. So, it's really I it's really about. So, it's really I it's really about. So, it's really I it's really striking whenever you kind of peel striking whenever you kind of peel striking whenever you kind of peel everything back and look at wow what a everything back and look at wow what a everything back and look at wow what a what an an amazing use of that word. But what an an amazing use of that word. But what an an amazing use of that word. But >> and the the name of his book is >> and the the name of his book is >> and the the name of his book is >> inexpressable. >> inexpressable. >> inexpressable. >> Inexpressable >> Inexpressable >> Inexpressable >> because it because the word he he's >> because it because the word he he's >> because it because the word he he's saying it we have such a hard time saying it we have such a hard time saying it we have such a hard time translating it because we have no translating it because we have no translating it because we have no English equivalent and that's why English equivalent and that's why English equivalent and that's why there's so many different translations there's so many different translations there's so many different translations offered for the word. It's so beautiful.

offered for the word. It's so beautiful. offered for the word. It's so beautiful. It's hard for us to express which is It's hard for us to express which is It's hard for us to express which is where then he came up with that where then he came up with that where then he came up with that definition. definition. definition. >> Yeah, I love it. So, I'm I'm going to >> Yeah, I love it. So, I'm I'm going to >> Yeah, I love it. So, I'm I'm going to read it again just because it's so read it again just because it's so read it again just because it's so great. But when the person from whom great. But when the person from whom great. But when the person from whom this is how he how he defines love this is how he how he defines love this is how he how he defines love >> the hessid love when the person from >> the hessid love when the person from >> the hessid love when the person from whom I have a right to expect nothing whom I have a right to expect nothing whom I have a right to expect nothing gives me everything. Oh my gosh. gives me everything. Oh my gosh. gives me everything. Oh my gosh. >> How how does this shape or re help us >> How how does this shape or re help us >> How how does this shape or re help us shape how we understand God's love shape how we understand God's love shape how we understand God's love [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] >> with our human words, our limited words? >> with our human words, our limited words? >> with our human words, our limited words? I'm really I'm thankful for the I'm really I'm thankful for the I'm really I'm thankful for the question. question. question. >> There are people who think it is >> There are people who think it is >> There are people who think it is unloving for us to remind you that you unloving for us to remind you that you unloving for us to remind you that you are a sinner are a sinner are a sinner >> and that you have violated the commands >> and that you have violated the commands >> and that you have violated the commands of God and turned your back on him. of God and turned your back on him. of God and turned your back on him. But if you understand the gospel, it's But if you understand the gospel, it's But if you understand the gospel, it's actually very loving actually very loving actually very loving to help you see yourself that you have to help you see yourself that you have to help you see yourself that you have fallen short of God's glory fallen short of God's glory fallen short of God's glory >> because then you truly can understand >> because then you truly can understand >> because then you truly can understand hessid. hessid. hessid. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because he doesn't >> Because he doesn't >> Because he doesn't owe you anything because you have walked owe you anything because you have walked owe you anything because you have walked away from him.

away from him. away from him. >> You really can expect nothing from him >> You really can expect nothing from him >> You really can expect nothing from him >> and yet he gives you everything, >> and yet he gives you everything, >> and yet he gives you everything, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> He gives you grace and mercy and love. >> He gives you grace and mercy and love. >> He gives you grace and mercy and love. So, it's so So, it's so So, it's so good for your soul to see yourself as good for your soul to see yourself as good for your soul to see yourself as someone who I can expect nothing from someone who I can expect nothing from someone who I can expect nothing from God because then when you realize he God because then when you realize he God because then when you realize he gives you everything, gives you everything, gives you everything, >> that's when your heart is most filled >> that's when your heart is most filled >> that's when your heart is most filled with joy because you have a greater with joy because you have a greater with joy because you have a greater sense of awe for his hessed love. sense of awe for his hessed love. sense of awe for his hessed love. >> So, it's it's actually very kind for me >> So, it's it's actually very kind for me >> So, it's it's actually very kind for me to tell you, you have sinned and fallen to tell you, you have sinned and fallen to tell you, you have sinned and fallen short of God's glory. short of God's glory. short of God's glory. >> This great God owes you nothing, yet he >> This great God owes you nothing, yet he >> This great God owes you nothing, yet he gives you everything. Right? Cuz if you gives you everything. Right? Cuz if you gives you everything. Right? Cuz if you really believe that he owes you nothing, really believe that he owes you nothing, really believe that he owes you nothing, then when you understand that he gives then when you understand that he gives then when you understand that he gives you everything, your heart is filled you everything, your heart is filled you everything, your heart is filled with wonder. with wonder. with wonder. >> Yep. Big time. Yeah. >> Yep. Big time. Yeah. >> Yep. Big time. Yeah. >> And um for for me, and I'm sure Eric >> And um for for me, and I'm sure Eric >> And um for for me, and I'm sure Eric will will relate, like I will will relate, like I will will relate, like I >> I understand Hessid a little bit better, >> I understand Hessid a little bit better, >> I understand Hessid a little bit better, still in a limited way because I'm a still in a limited way because I'm a still in a limited way because I'm a father. And that's true. Yeah. And father. And that's true. Yeah. And father. And that's true. Yeah. And you're going to experience this as a you're going to experience this as a you're going to experience this as a soon to be mom, but it's soon to be mom, but it's soon to be mom, but it's >> she's she's about to have a kid.

>> she's she's about to have a kid. >> she's she's about to have a kid. >> Yes, she is. She is. [laughter] People's >> Yes, she is. She is. [laughter] People's >> Yes, she is. She is. [laughter] People's still surprised. still surprised. still surprised. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I know we've been talking about it >> And I know we've been talking about it >> And I know we've been talking about it on this podcast for for a little bit on this podcast for for a little bit on this podcast for for a little bit too. I know we mentioned it, but um too. I know we mentioned it, but um too. I know we mentioned it, but um yeah, Liz Liz Powers or Liz Powers yeah, Liz Liz Powers or Liz Powers yeah, Liz Liz Powers or Liz Powers Garcia about to have a baby. Garcia about to have a baby. Garcia about to have a baby. >> Full formal name, >> Full formal name, >> Full formal name, >> man. But Powers is such a gangster last >> man. But Powers is such a gangster last >> man. But Powers is such a gangster last name. That I mean that that was to keep name. That I mean that that was to keep name. That I mean that that was to keep it. It was a tough one to lose. That it. It was a tough one to lose. That it. It was a tough one to lose. That [laughter] was a hard name for [laughter] was a hard name for [laughter] was a hard name for Liz Power. I mean, her last name is Liz Power. I mean, her last name is Liz Power. I mean, her last name is Power. Power. Power. >> It did become my middle name. We didn't >> It did become my middle name. We didn't >> It did become my middle name. We didn't drop it entirely. drop it entirely. drop it entirely. >> You made the middle name. >> You made the middle name. >> You made the middle name. >> Yeah, that's where I'm from, though. I >> Yeah, that's where I'm from, though. I >> Yeah, that's where I'm from, though. I don't I feel I feel like it's a thing. don't I feel I feel like it's a thing. don't I feel I feel like it's a thing. >> We did that with K. We did that for K. >> We did that with K. We did that for K. >> We did that with K. We did that for K. Kay's middle name is now was her former Kay's middle name is now was her former Kay's middle name is now was her former last name. last name. last name. >> Yes, that's good. I did drop Adele >> Yes, that's good. I did drop Adele >> Yes, that's good. I did drop Adele though, which is also pretty powerful though, which is also pretty powerful though, which is also pretty powerful for for for >> you had Adele and >> you had Adele and >> you had Adele and Adele. Adele. Adele. >> I used to really not like it cuz it was >> I used to really not like it cuz it was >> I used to really not like it cuz it was kind of a granny name, but then Adele kind of a granny name, but then Adele kind of a granny name, but then Adele happened. My grandma's name. So happened. My grandma's name. So happened. My grandma's name. So >> yeah, she [laughter] made it. >> yeah, she [laughter] made it. >> yeah, she [laughter] made it. >> So it actually was a grandma name. >> So it actually was a grandma name. >> So it actually was a grandma name. >> It was literally my grandma's name >> It was literally my grandma's name >> It was literally my grandma's name >> came along. >> came along. >> came along. >> Anyways, how did we get here? Yeah, I I >> Anyways, how did we get here? Yeah, I I >> Anyways, how did we get here? Yeah, I I I mis I misdirected this. It was my I mis I misdirected this. It was my I mis I misdirected this. It was my fault.

fault. fault. >> No, it's my fault cuz I called you >> No, it's my fault cuz I called you >> No, it's my fault cuz I called you powers and please talk about God as a powers and please talk about God as a powers and please talk about God as a father. father. father. >> So, so what I was saying, yeah, I >> So, so what I was saying, yeah, I >> So, so what I was saying, yeah, I understand a little bit more the hessa understand a little bit more the hessa understand a little bit more the hessa love of God as because I'm a dad. love of God as because I'm a dad. love of God as because I'm a dad. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> And you know, my kids from the minute >> And you know, my kids from the minute >> And you know, my kids from the minute they were born to even now they were born to even now they were born to even now >> can't really offer me anything. And um >> can't really offer me anything. And um >> can't really offer me anything. And um and you know, I got this language from and you know, I got this language from and you know, I got this language from Eric too from one of his sermons of Eric too from one of his sermons of Eric too from one of his sermons of like, hey, like if you want me to be like, hey, like if you want me to be like, hey, like if you want me to be fair, fair means you pay me for fair, fair means you pay me for fair, fair means you pay me for everything that I've ever done for you. everything that I've ever done for you. everything that I've ever done for you. But here, my my kids are not able to pay But here, my my kids are not able to pay But here, my my kids are not able to pay me back for a single dime, right? Like me back for a single dime, right? Like me back for a single dime, right? Like they can try, right? they can try, right? they can try, right? >> And and and during the summer, they've >> And and and during the summer, they've >> And and and during the summer, they've been working and they they make a little been working and they they make a little been working and they they make a little bit of money. But I remind my kids bit of money. But I remind my kids bit of money. But I remind my kids pretty regularly, hey, from this point pretty regularly, hey, from this point pretty regularly, hey, from this point on, for the rest of your life, if you on, for the rest of your life, if you on, for the rest of your life, if you try to pay me and mommy back for try to pay me and mommy back for try to pay me and mommy back for everything we've ever done for you, it's everything we've ever done for you, it's everything we've ever done for you, it's not even possible. M not even possible. M not even possible. M >> but as I say that please understand I'm >> but as I say that please understand I'm >> but as I say that please understand I'm not asking you to pay me back not asking you to pay me back not asking you to pay me back >> but could you just be a little bit more >> but could you just be a little bit more >> but could you just be a little bit more grateful [laughter] grateful [laughter] grateful [laughter] >> you know like so can you have that >> you know like so can you have that >> you know like so can you have that perspective please you know and and and perspective please you know and and and perspective please you know and and and and that helps me understand God a and that helps me understand God a and that helps me understand God a little bit right he's way more gracious little bit right he's way more gracious little bit right he's way more gracious than I am than I am than I am >> but there's no way I could spend all of >> but there's no way I could spend all of >> but there's no way I could spend all of eternity trying to pay him back eternity trying to pay him back eternity trying to pay him back >> trying to be as good as I can trying to >> trying to be as good as I can trying to >> trying to be as good as I can trying to be you know be in my quiet times every be you know be in my quiet times every be you know be in my quiet times every morning there's no amount of thing I morning there's no amount of thing I morning there's no amount of thing I could do no behavior I could do no behavior I could do no behavior I have that could ever ever pay him back have that could ever ever pay him back have that could ever ever pay him back for his hessid love towards me. Right.

for his hessid love towards me. Right. for his hessid love towards me. Right. >> And yet that he's given it to me so >> And yet that he's given it to me so >> And yet that he's given it to me so freely. freely. freely. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It Yeah. It it is the most humbling and >> It Yeah. It it is the most humbling and >> It Yeah. It it is the most humbling and the most right sizing thing in my life. the most right sizing thing in my life. the most right sizing thing in my life. >> And then what makes the hessid >> And then what makes the hessid >> And then what makes the hessid >> grace covenant love even more deep is >> grace covenant love even more deep is >> grace covenant love even more deep is that that's true. And then also that that's true. And then also that that's true. And then also simultaneously true is there's nothing simultaneously true is there's nothing simultaneously true is there's nothing to pay back, to pay back, to pay back, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Because he's fully paid the debt. >> Because he's fully paid the debt. >> Because he's fully paid the debt. >> Gosh, man. That's good. like there like >> Gosh, man. That's good. like there like >> Gosh, man. That's good. like there like there in one sense I can never pay back there in one sense I can never pay back there in one sense I can never pay back and then the other sense is and there's and then the other sense is and there's and then the other sense is and there's nothing to and there's nothing to pay nothing to and there's nothing to pay nothing to and there's nothing to pay back you know it was paid in full on the back you know it was paid in full on the back you know it was paid in full on the cross beautiful cross beautiful cross beautiful >> yeah that's the matchless grace of our >> yeah that's the matchless grace of our >> yeah that's the matchless grace of our loving Lord loving Lord loving Lord >> it's amazing it's amazing what an >> it's amazing it's amazing what an >> it's amazing it's amazing what an incredible psalm incredible psalm incredible psalm >> well I think for our benediction DK >> well I think for our benediction DK >> well I think for our benediction DK should sing us this psalm [laughter] to should sing us this psalm [laughter] to should sing us this psalm [laughter] to close close close >> is are there any songs on this are there >> is are there any songs on this are there >> is are there any songs on this are there any songs based on this uh I don't know any songs based on this uh I don't know any songs based on this uh I don't know that I've come across one you I know one that I've come across one you I know one that I've come across one you I know one by Shane and Shane. by Shane and Shane. by Shane and Shane. >> Oh gosh. [laughter] >> Oh gosh. [laughter] >> Oh gosh. [laughter] >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Liz and I are >> Liz and I are >> Liz and I are >> Liz, you can sing us out there. >> Liz, you can sing us out there. >> Liz, you can sing us out there. >> Liz and I like Shane and Shane. Do they >> Liz and I like Shane and Shane. Do they >> Liz and I like Shane and Shane. Do they do they sing this in um they sing the do they sing this in um they sing the do they sing this in um they sing the entire Psalm 13?

entire Psalm 13? entire Psalm 13? >> Oh gosh, I can't remember. I just can >> Oh gosh, I can't remember. I just can >> Oh gosh, I can't remember. I just can hear the How Long Oh Lord. That's sung hear the How Long Oh Lord. That's sung hear the How Long Oh Lord. That's sung over and over. over and over. over and over. >> Actually, I think I remember that one. >> Actually, I think I remember that one. >> Actually, I think I remember that one. I've heard it. Yes. I've heard it. Yes. I've heard it. Yes. >> See, it's a banger, isn't it? >> See, it's a banger, isn't it? >> See, it's a banger, isn't it? >> I don't know if it's a banger. >> I don't know if it's a banger. >> I don't know if it's a banger. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> You should You should put that in the >> You should You should put that in the >> You should You should put that in the show notes. show notes. show notes. >> I will do that. >> I will do that. >> I will do that. >> Link link to Shane Shane in the show >> Link link to Shane Shane in the show >> Link link to Shane Shane in the show notes. you know, we had Shane and Shane notes. you know, we had Shane and Shane notes. you know, we had Shane and Shane during during during CO, during during during CO, during during during CO, >> but that's when we, you know, we were >> but that's when we, you know, we were >> but that's when we, you know, we were only online early, like March March, only online early, like March March, only online early, like March March, April 2020 early April 2020 early April 2020 early >> and and uh they they recorded some songs >> and and uh they they recorded some songs >> and and uh they they recorded some songs for us and it was awesome. for us and it was awesome. for us and it was awesome. >> Yeah. So good. They do they there was >> Yeah. So good. They do they there was >> Yeah. So good. They do they there was they're always my Spotify top play to they're always my Spotify top play to they're always my Spotify top play to artist because they have the songs that artist because they have the songs that artist because they have the songs that they've turned in which plenty of they've turned in which plenty of they've turned in which plenty of artists have done this, but I do I kind artists have done this, but I do I kind artists have done this, but I do I kind of there have been seasons where it's of there have been seasons where it's of there have been seasons where it's been been been >> You love listening to the songs really >> You love listening to the songs really >> You love listening to the songs really helpful to me. Yeah. So I do I do think helpful to me. Yeah. So I do I do think helpful to me. Yeah. So I do I do think of them. Well, DK, seriously, thank you of them. Well, DK, seriously, thank you of them. Well, DK, seriously, thank you for joining us. Honored to be here. I for joining us. Honored to be here. I for joining us. Honored to be here. I want to shout out Isa, my daughter, want to shout out Isa, my daughter, want to shout out Isa, my daughter, because she's an avid listener of this because she's an avid listener of this because she's an avid listener of this podcast. Sweet. I think she's I think podcast. Sweet. I think she's I think podcast. Sweet. I think she's I think she's listened to this way more than dad she's listened to this way more than dad she's listened to this way more than dad has. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. She's has. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. She's has. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. She's listened to way more episodes. listened to way more episodes. listened to way more episodes. >> I So, we should have her.

>> I So, we should have her. >> I So, we should have her. >> Oh, yeah. She >> Oh, yeah. She >> Oh, yeah. She >> Well, Isa leads worship and I love when >> Well, Isa leads worship and I love when >> Well, Isa leads worship and I love when she leads worship. She She usually she leads worship. She She usually she leads worship. She She usually stands right close to where I right stands right close to where I right stands right close to where I right where right where I walk up. And you can where right where I walk up. And you can where right where I walk up. And you can just tell uh her sincerity is so evident just tell uh her sincerity is so evident just tell uh her sincerity is so evident and I'm just so proud of her. It's and I'm just so proud of her. It's and I'm just so proud of her. It's beautiful to see how she's grown, you beautiful to see how she's grown, you beautiful to see how she's grown, you know, know, know, >> big time, >> big time, >> big time, >> not just physically, but spiritually and >> not just physically, but spiritually and >> not just physically, but spiritually and all of it, you know. all of it, you know. all of it, you know. >> Yeah, it's pretty crazy. >> Yeah, it's pretty crazy. >> Yeah, it's pretty crazy. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's amazing. >> it's amazing. >> it's amazing. >> Beautiful family. >> Beautiful family. >> Beautiful family. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you guys so much for joining us >> Thank you guys so much for joining us >> Thank you guys so much for joining us for the If I Had More Time podcast. for the If I Had More Time podcast. for the If I Had More Time podcast. >> Thank you all.