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Thank you guys for jumping into the If I Thank you guys for jumping into the If I Had More Time Podcast. We're so glad Had More Time Podcast. We're so glad Had More Time Podcast. We're so glad you're here today. My name is Liz you're here today. My name is Liz you're here today. My name is Liz Garcia. I'm your host and I am here with Garcia. I'm your host and I am here with Garcia. I'm your host and I am here with our Pastor Emeritus Kenton Beshore. our Pastor Emeritus Kenton Beshore. our Pastor Emeritus Kenton Beshore. Kenton, thank you for joining us. Kenton, thank you for joining us. Kenton, thank you for joining us. >> I always love to be here. >> I always love to be here. >> I always love to be here. >> I feel like we should tell them how much >> I feel like we should tell them how much >> I feel like we should tell them how much you love to be here. [laughter] you love to be here. [laughter] you love to be here. [laughter] >> Love to be here. >> Love to be here. >> Love to be here. >> You You are so awesome on a podcast. >> You You are so awesome on a podcast. >> You You are so awesome on a podcast. Have you listened to a podcast yet? Have you listened to a podcast yet? Have you listened to a podcast yet? >> No. No, I have not. >> No. No, I have not. >> No. No, I have not. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> We've been doing this for a few years >> We've been doing this for a few years >> We've been doing this for a few years and Kenton has shared He's been on more and Kenton has shared He's been on more and Kenton has shared He's been on more podcasts than he has surely listened to podcasts than he has surely listened to podcasts than he has surely listened to any, but thank you for being here. We any, but thank you for being here. We any, but thank you for being here. We are really grateful and this weekend at are really grateful and this weekend at are really grateful and this weekend at all of our congregations, our lead all of our congregations, our lead all of our congregations, our lead pastors taught on the same passage as pastors taught on the same passage as pastors taught on the same passage as well with you and we carve out time a well with you and we carve out time a well with you and we carve out time a few times a year to really encourage few times a year to really encourage few times a year to really encourage people and to give them the opportunity people and to give them the opportunity people and to give them the opportunity to step into serving. And so I'm really to step into serving. And so I'm really to step into serving. And so I'm really excited that it was you for this weekend excited that it was you for this weekend excited that it was you for this weekend at Irvine. at Irvine. at Irvine. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> And we're talking about this value that >> And we're talking about this value that >> And we're talking about this value that we have, one of eight at our church, we have, one of eight at our church, we have, one of eight at our church, think big, act small. think big, act small. think big, act small. And this passage that goes along with And this passage that goes along with And this passage that goes along with it, Philippians 2.

it, Philippians 2. it, Philippians 2. I was sharing with Kenton before we got I was sharing with Kenton before we got I was sharing with Kenton before we got going that Kenton has really had a a going that Kenton has really had a a going that Kenton has really had a a profound impact on me with this passage profound impact on me with this passage profound impact on me with this passage specifically and this idea that Jesus, specifically and this idea that Jesus, specifically and this idea that Jesus, he God, he understands us. And um I he God, he understands us. And um I he God, he understands us. And um I can't wait for us to dig in a little bit can't wait for us to dig in a little bit can't wait for us to dig in a little bit more with that. So would you Would you more with that. So would you Would you more with that. So would you Would you go ahead and for everybody who got to go ahead and for everybody who got to go ahead and for everybody who got to hear you this weekend here at Irvine, hear you this weekend here at Irvine, hear you this weekend here at Irvine, there are so many others who didn't from there are so many others who didn't from there are so many others who didn't from some of our other congregations. So some of our other congregations. So some of our other congregations. So could you summarize some of what you could you summarize some of what you could you summarize some of what you were sharing of how the importance of uh were sharing of how the importance of uh were sharing of how the importance of uh Jesus is God and you you actually called Jesus is God and you you actually called Jesus is God and you you actually called it life's defining issue? it life's defining issue? it life's defining issue? >> It is. So and it is It is a Christian It >> It is. So and it is It is a Christian It >> It is. So and it is It is a Christian It is the defining issue of Christianity is the defining issue of Christianity is the defining issue of Christianity and it's also the divisive issue of and it's also the divisive issue of and it's also the divisive issue of Christianity. So we talked about that, Christianity. So we talked about that, Christianity. So we talked about that, but this idea that uh Jesus is God. And but this idea that uh Jesus is God. And but this idea that uh Jesus is God. And then you want to talk about the idea of then you want to talk about the idea of then you want to talk about the idea of his understanding of love cuz that comes his understanding of love cuz that comes his understanding of love cuz that comes more from the idea that he's human. So, more from the idea that he's human. So, more from the idea that he's human. So, this gives us this complete picture of this gives us this complete picture of this gives us this complete picture of God. Why I love this passage is that God. Why I love this passage is that God. Why I love this passage is that this passage gives us the most complete this passage gives us the most complete this passage gives us the most complete picture of God.

picture of God. picture of God. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Where it says of Jesus, I mean. And it >> Where it says of Jesus, I mean. And it >> Where it says of Jesus, I mean. And it says that Jesus is God is the first says that Jesus is God is the first says that Jesus is God is the first point. Then the second that Jesus is point. Then the second that Jesus is point. Then the second that Jesus is human. And then Jesus is a humble human. And then Jesus is a humble human. And then Jesus is a humble servant. And those three ideas, if you servant. And those three ideas, if you servant. And those three ideas, if you if you capture that, that's what it says if you capture that, that's what it says if you capture that, that's what it says in Philippians 2. That is in Philippians 2. That is in Philippians 2. That is who Jesus is. And understanding that is who Jesus is. And understanding that is who Jesus is. And understanding that is the core the core the core idea of Jesus' identity. So, we can talk idea of Jesus' identity. So, we can talk idea of Jesus' identity. So, we can talk about Jesus being God and what that about Jesus being God and what that about Jesus being God and what that means. You want to, we can talk about means. You want to, we can talk about means. You want to, we can talk about Jesus being human. Jesus being human. Jesus being human. >> Let's start with Jesus as God. >> Let's start with Jesus as God. >> Let's start with Jesus as God. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Go. >> Go. >> Go. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So, Jesus being God has this mean it's >> So, Jesus being God has this mean it's >> So, Jesus being God has this mean it's clearly stated in this passage. And so, clearly stated in this passage. And so, clearly stated in this passage. And so, you look at it and there's you look at it and there's you look at it and there's really two powerful implications. One is really two powerful implications. One is really two powerful implications. One is uh this idea because he is God, uh this idea because he is God, uh this idea because he is God, Jesus God, which is a powerful thought, Jesus God, which is a powerful thought, Jesus God, which is a powerful thought, God is the one who comes to our rescue.

God is the one who comes to our rescue. God is the one who comes to our rescue. He doesn't send a messenger, he doesn't He doesn't send a messenger, he doesn't He doesn't send a messenger, he doesn't send an emissary. It's literally God send an emissary. It's literally God send an emissary. It's literally God showing up. And so, we are people who showing up. And so, we are people who showing up. And so, we are people who have God have God have God for [snorts] us and with us and saving for [snorts] us and with us and saving for [snorts] us and with us and saving us and rescuing us. And that's why Paul us and rescuing us. And that's why Paul us and rescuing us. And that's why Paul just goes off in Romans 8 and he says, just goes off in Romans 8 and he says, just goes off in Romans 8 and he says, "If God is for us, who can be against "If God is for us, who can be against "If God is for us, who can be against us?" I mean, no one can condemn us, us?" I mean, no one can condemn us, us?" I mean, no one can condemn us, nobody can stand against us. It doesn't nobody can stand against us. It doesn't nobody can stand against us. It doesn't matter when we live in a broken world, matter when we live in a broken world, matter when we live in a broken world, so it doesn't matter the pain, the so it doesn't matter the pain, the so it doesn't matter the pain, the sadness, the evil, it doesn't matter sadness, the evil, it doesn't matter sadness, the evil, it doesn't matter principalities or powers or Satan. principalities or powers or Satan. principalities or powers or Satan. Nothing can ever separate us from God. Nothing can ever separate us from God. Nothing can ever separate us from God. Why? Because Jesus is God and he is the Why? Because Jesus is God and he is the Why? Because Jesus is God and he is the one that holds us. So, it is this one that holds us. So, it is this one that holds us. So, it is this powerful thought and it's a powerful thought and it's a powerful thought and it's a life-defining truth, life-defining truth, life-defining truth, which is this sense of if I get a hold which is this sense of if I get a hold which is this sense of if I get a hold of it, of it, of it, I live with unquenchable optimism and I live with unquenchable optimism and I live with unquenchable optimism and that's why, you know, I get we live in a that's why, you know, I get we live in a that's why, you know, I get we live in a broken world and there's people who broken world and there's people who broken world and there's people who are sad and overwhelmed, but to live as are sad and overwhelmed, but to live as are sad and overwhelmed, but to live as fear-filled people or to live as fear-filled people or to live as fear-filled people or to live as depressed. The illustration that I gave, depressed. The illustration that I gave, depressed. The illustration that I gave, which I love, is this picture of a a which I love, is this picture of a a which I love, is this picture of a a ring. There's these aura rings that I ring. There's these aura rings that I ring. There's these aura rings that I gave my wife for her birthday.

gave my wife for her birthday. gave my wife for her birthday. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And you know, you've seen lots of people >> And you know, you've seen lots of people >> And you know, you've seen lots of people wear them. They wear them on their index wear them. They wear them on their index wear them. They wear them on their index finger. And they're designed to give all finger. And they're designed to give all finger. And they're designed to give all sorts of feedback on your bodies. And sorts of feedback on your bodies. And sorts of feedback on your bodies. And mostly it defines how you sleep. And so, mostly it defines how you sleep. And so, mostly it defines how you sleep. And so, when you're talking about, you know, so when you're talking about, you know, so when you're talking about, you know, so just the other day, Lori comes, we just the other day, Lori comes, we just the other day, Lori comes, we always meet in the morning for coffee always meet in the morning for coffee always meet in the morning for coffee and we talk about our day. And so, I get and we talk about our day. And so, I get and we talk about our day. And so, I get down, I've made coffee and so, she comes down, I've made coffee and so, she comes down, I've made coffee and so, she comes in and she kind of stumbles in because, in and she kind of stumbles in because, in and she kind of stumbles in because, you know, I gave this to her for a you know, I gave this to her for a you know, I gave this to her for a birthday. So, she turned 70, which I birthday. So, she turned 70, which I birthday. So, she turned 70, which I know. It's so old, right? It's so old. know. It's so old, right? It's so old. know. It's so old, right? It's so old. >> most beautiful 70-year-old [laughter] >> most beautiful 70-year-old [laughter] >> most beautiful 70-year-old [laughter] lady. lady. lady. >> So, she does. So, she comes in, but it's >> So, she does. So, she comes in, but it's >> So, she does. So, she comes in, but it's funny cuz so, you see her and she is funny cuz so, you see her and she is funny cuz so, you see her and she is tired and hassled and she she just tired and hassled and she she just tired and hassled and she she just carries the countenance of an carries the countenance of an carries the countenance of an overwhelmed person and she sits down. I overwhelmed person and she sits down. I overwhelmed person and she sits down. I go, "How did you sleep?" "Man, I I go, "How did you sleep?" "Man, I I go, "How did you sleep?" "Man, I I didn't sleep well, I don't think at all. didn't sleep well, I don't think at all. didn't sleep well, I don't think at all. I I, you know, through the night I feel I I, you know, through the night I feel I I, you know, through the night I feel like I woke up. I am so tired. I don't like I woke up. I am so tired. I don't like I woke up. I am so tired. I don't know how I'm going to face the day." But know how I'm going to face the day." But know how I'm going to face the day." But she's got this ring, you know, the aura she's got this ring, you know, the aura she's got this ring, you know, the aura ring. So, I said, "Well, what does it ring. So, I said, "Well, what does it ring. So, I said, "Well, what does it say that you did?" So, she looks on her say that you did?" So, she looks on her say that you did?" So, she looks on her phone and as she's looking at her phone, phone and as she's looking at her phone, phone and as she's looking at her phone, she goes, "Wow, it says that I I got to she goes, "Wow, it says that I I got to she goes, "Wow, it says that I I got to bed pretty quick and then I had good bed pretty quick and then I had good bed pretty quick and then I had good deep sleep and and I was rested and then deep sleep and and I was rested and then deep sleep and and I was rested and then REMs, you know, which is the dream REMs, you know, which is the dream REMs, you know, which is the dream part." He goes, "I did that." And so, part." He goes, "I did that." And so, part." He goes, "I did that." And so, all of a sudden she gets feedback that all of a sudden she gets feedback that all of a sudden she gets feedback that it's like, "No, you had a good night's it's like, "No, you had a good night's it's like, "No, you had a good night's sleep." And literally, as she's saying sleep." And literally, as she's saying sleep." And literally, as she's saying it, she's sitting up more straight, it, she's sitting up more straight, it, she's sitting up more straight, she's excited and it's like, "Look at she's excited and it's like, "Look at she's excited and it's like, "Look at what happens." And it's powerful because what happens." And it's powerful because what happens." And it's powerful because it changed her countenance like that.

it changed her countenance like that. it changed her countenance like that. And that's the idea of Jesus being God And that's the idea of Jesus being God And that's the idea of Jesus being God is um is um is um it's it is a defining truth that it's it is a defining truth that it's it is a defining truth that transforms the way we view at life. God transforms the way we view at life. God transforms the way we view at life. God loves us, he protects us, he provides loves us, he protects us, he provides loves us, he protects us, he provides for us, he stands with us, he's working for us, he stands with us, he's working for us, he stands with us, he's working on our behalf. Jesus is our defender. on our behalf. Jesus is our defender. on our behalf. Jesus is our defender. And so all of those things, when I And so all of those things, when I And so all of those things, when I understand that, it's like aura ring understand that, it's like aura ring understand that, it's like aura ring feedback where you go, "You're doing feedback where you go, "You're doing feedback where you go, "You're doing good. You get out there. You have good. You get out there. You have good. You get out there. You have resilience." resilience." resilience." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But then the second one that I think >> But then the second one that I think >> But then the second one that I think that you like to maybe want to talk that you like to maybe want to talk that you like to maybe want to talk about is the idea of the Trinity. about is the idea of the Trinity. about is the idea of the Trinity. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which is um >> Which is um >> Which is um when it says Jesus is God, then people when it says Jesus is God, then people when it says Jesus is God, then people go, "Well, then who's God the Father? go, "Well, then who's God the Father? go, "Well, then who's God the Father? And who's God the Spirit?" And when you And who's God the Spirit?" And when you And who's God the Spirit?" And when you read the Bible, there's no getting read the Bible, there's no getting read the Bible, there's no getting around this idea that God around this idea that God around this idea that God shows himself to be God the Father. And shows himself to be God the Father. And shows himself to be God the Father. And if you have God the Father, you have if you have God the Father, you have if you have God the Father, you have complete God, totally God, complete God, totally God, complete God, totally God, self-sufficient. And when you have self-sufficient. And when you have self-sufficient. And when you have Jesus, you have total God, total, you Jesus, you have total God, total, you Jesus, you have total God, total, you know, he's self-sufficient. And the Holy know, he's self-sufficient. And the Holy know, he's self-sufficient. And the Holy Spirit is total God. And so the idea of Spirit is total God. And so the idea of Spirit is total God. And so the idea of three in one is a mystery.

three in one is a mystery. three in one is a mystery. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I can't explain that. >> And I can't explain that. >> And I can't explain that. >> What do we do with that? >> What do we do with that? >> What do we do with that? >> to bother you. >> to bother you. >> to bother you. >> Yeah, I'm I'm bothered by this. I like >> Yeah, I'm I'm bothered by this. I like >> Yeah, I'm I'm bothered by this. I like things to be clear. I like answers. And things to be clear. I like answers. And things to be clear. I like answers. And there are there are so many things like there are there are so many things like there are there are so many things like this when we look at scripture. So how this when we look at scripture. So how this when we look at scripture. So how how do we handle when we don't fully how do we handle when we don't fully how do we handle when we don't fully understand? understand? understand? >> Well, I think um >> Well, I think um >> Well, I think um I think it's really important I think it's really important I think it's really important to to to understand that understand that understand that you know, first as humans, we are really you know, first as humans, we are really you know, first as humans, we are really finite and we are small and we are finite and we are small and we are finite and we are small and we are limited and we are creation. And it limited and we are creation. And it limited and we are creation. And it shouldn't surprise us that God, who is shouldn't surprise us that God, who is shouldn't surprise us that God, who is the creator, is infinitely more complex the creator, is infinitely more complex the creator, is infinitely more complex than us. than us. than us. And the idea that And the idea that And the idea that we could understand God we could understand God we could understand God you just have to start with there's no you just have to start with there's no you just have to start with there's no way way way that we can understand God. But God that we can understand God. But God that we can understand God. But God reveals himself and as he reveals reveals himself and as he reveals reveals himself and as he reveals himself he uses language and the Bible himself he uses language and the Bible himself he uses language and the Bible then is given us language and language then is given us language and language then is given us language and language while you know, you and I are talking while you know, you and I are talking while you know, you and I are talking it's taking a thought and you're it's taking a thought and you're it's taking a thought and you're constructing and put it into words and constructing and put it into words and constructing and put it into words and then my thought then becomes words but then my thought then becomes words but then my thought then becomes words but it's a clumsy way to communicate and it's a clumsy way to communicate and it's a clumsy way to communicate and it's not as exact as what we want it to it's not as exact as what we want it to it's not as exact as what we want it to pretend.

pretend. pretend. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so God's giving us words and ideas >> And so God's giving us words and ideas >> And so God's giving us words and ideas to you know, to a container that we can to you know, to a container that we can to you know, to a container that we can never understand you know, who God is. never understand you know, who God is. never understand you know, who God is. And so if there isn't a sense of mystery And so if there isn't a sense of mystery And so if there isn't a sense of mystery with God that of course with God that of course with God that of course there are going to be all sorts of there are going to be all sorts of there are going to be all sorts of things I don't understand and I think in things I don't understand and I think in things I don't understand and I think in this passage there's this passage there's this passage there's not just the Trinity but the incarnation not just the Trinity but the incarnation not just the Trinity but the incarnation that we can come back to. I don't that we can come back to. I don't that we can come back to. I don't understand that one either. How God can understand that one either. How God can understand that one either. How God can be both fully God and man. be both fully God and man. be both fully God and man. And yet what I love is that God doesn't And yet what I love is that God doesn't And yet what I love is that God doesn't hide hide hide those truths from us. those truths from us. those truths from us. And he gives them to us And he gives them to us And he gives them to us when they're way out of our depths. when they're way out of our depths. when they're way out of our depths. So that So that So that there's a sense of that he trusts us. there's a sense of that he trusts us. there's a sense of that he trusts us. But there has to be a humility and so I But there has to be a humility and so I But there has to be a humility and so I always crack up, you know, when people always crack up, you know, when people always crack up, you know, when people you know, come up and they want to ask you know, come up and they want to ask you know, come up and they want to ask lots of questions and they you know, lots of questions and they you know, lots of questions and they you know, they think and I in my heart I'm they think and I in my heart I'm they think and I in my heart I'm thinking you know, if you had an answer thinking you know, if you had an answer thinking you know, if you had an answer to every one of your questions would you to every one of your questions would you to every one of your questions would you have it figured out? Because it doesn't have it figured out? Because it doesn't have it figured out? Because it doesn't work like that. You know, the biggest work like that. You know, the biggest work like that. You know, the biggest things in life I did not have all the things in life I did not have all the things in life I did not have all the answers to and people go oh yeah, you answers to and people go oh yeah, you answers to and people go oh yeah, you did and I go oh yeah, well I go I got did and I go oh yeah, well I go I got did and I go oh yeah, well I go I got married when I was 23 and Lori was 21.

married when I was 23 and Lori was 21. married when I was 23 and Lori was 21. And so when I'll talk to somebody and I And so when I'll talk to somebody and I And so when I'll talk to somebody and I go did you marry him because you you go did you marry him because you you go did you marry him because you you knew everything about her? You know, and knew everything about her? You know, and knew everything about her? You know, and you knew I mean it's like I knew who she you knew I mean it's like I knew who she you knew I mean it's like I knew who she would be, I knew what she wanted, I knew would be, I knew what she wanted, I knew would be, I knew what she wanted, I knew how many kids she wanted, I knew how she how many kids she wanted, I knew how she how many kids she wanted, I knew how she would handle the difficulties of life would handle the difficulties of life would handle the difficulties of life and everything. I didn't know any of and everything. I didn't know any of and everything. I didn't know any of that. I didn't have no clue how she that. I didn't have no clue how she that. I didn't have no clue how she would do. I knew one thing, that I loved would do. I knew one thing, that I loved would do. I knew one thing, that I loved her and I didn't want to live without her and I didn't want to live without her and I didn't want to live without her. And now I've learned lots of her. And now I've learned lots of her. And now I've learned lots of things, but I have made the most things, but I have made the most things, but I have made the most important decisions of my life with very important decisions of my life with very important decisions of my life with very little knowledge. little knowledge. little knowledge. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. When it comes to marriage. And so >> Yeah. When it comes to marriage. And so >> Yeah. When it comes to marriage. And so God doesn't remove from us God doesn't remove from us God doesn't remove from us >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> the idea that we're going to have to >> the idea that we're going to have to >> the idea that we're going to have to make some of the biggest decisions in make some of the biggest decisions in make some of the biggest decisions in our life with incomplete knowledge. our life with incomplete knowledge. our life with incomplete knowledge. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And we shouldn't be afraid of that. I'm >> And we shouldn't be afraid of that. I'm >> And we shouldn't be afraid of that. I'm not a you know, it's like I may marriage not a you know, it's like I may marriage not a you know, it's like I may marriage is that way. I became a pastor, you is that way. I became a pastor, you is that way. I became a pastor, you know, and there were so many things in know, and there were so many things in know, and there were so many things in leading a church that I did where I had leading a church that I did where I had leading a church that I did where I had no clue. You know, it's it doesn't mean no clue. You know, it's it doesn't mean no clue. You know, it's it doesn't mean that you get a you get to be ignorant, that you get a you get to be ignorant, that you get a you get to be ignorant, but there's just a lot of things you but there's just a lot of things you but there's just a lot of things you just don't know. But when it comes to just don't know. But when it comes to just don't know. But when it comes to God, there's a lot of things that we God, there's a lot of things that we God, there's a lot of things that we don't know.

don't know. don't know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And one is we can't understand the >> And one is we can't understand the >> And one is we can't understand the Trinity. Trinity. Trinity. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I can tell you why the Trinity is >> But I can tell you why the Trinity is >> But I can tell you why the Trinity is important, which is what I read I talked important, which is what I read I talked important, which is what I read I talked about in the message, which was St. about in the message, which was St. about in the message, which was St. Augustine, which I really love this Augustine, which I really love this Augustine, which I really love this insight that he has. Which is this, he insight that he has. Which is this, he insight that he has. Which is this, he says that people who just they won't says that people who just they won't says that people who just they won't accept a triune God even though the accept a triune God even though the accept a triune God even though the Bible does it, there can only be God. Bible does it, there can only be God. Bible does it, there can only be God. That that is an incomplete and defective That that is an incomplete and defective That that is an incomplete and defective God. God. God. And when I read that, I went, "Whoa, And when I read that, I went, "Whoa, And when I read that, I went, "Whoa, why?" And he goes, "Well, because then why?" And he goes, "Well, because then why?" And he goes, "Well, because then that God is all alone. And ultimately that God is all alone. And ultimately that God is all alone. And ultimately when he creates, he's creating because when he creates, he's creating because when he creates, he's creating because he's lonely and alone, and he's creating he's lonely and alone, and he's creating he's lonely and alone, and he's creating to use us to get something." to use us to get something." to use us to get something." But then Augustine says, he goes, But then Augustine says, he goes, But then Augustine says, he goes, "That's not what God says. That's not "That's not what God says. That's not "That's not what God says. That's not the God of the Bible. The God of the the God of the Bible. The God of the the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible is a God who lives in loving Bible is a God who lives in loving Bible is a God who lives in loving relationship, Father, Son, and Holy relationship, Father, Son, and Holy relationship, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There's the importance of the Spirit. There's the importance of the Spirit. There's the importance of the Trinity. And they are already a Trinity. And they are already a Trinity. And they are already a community of love. They are community of love. They are community of love. They are self-sufficient, and they are loved, and self-sufficient, and they are loved, and self-sufficient, and they are loved, and they are loving, and they are connected, they are loving, and they are connected, they are loving, and they are connected, and then they create us. And you just and then they create us. And you just and then they create us. And you just think, and it's this invitation into a think, and it's this invitation into a think, and it's this invitation into a loving community.

You start to understand how loving God You start to understand how loving God is. I want to invite you in. But then is. I want to invite you in. But then is. I want to invite you in. But then the implication for us, you know, the implication for us, you know, the implication for us, you know, because this whole passage teaches us because this whole passage teaches us because this whole passage teaches us that we are to be servants, that we are to be servants, that we are to be servants, well then it means that when I serve, I well then it means that when I serve, I well then it means that when I serve, I have to serve with the same mindset that have to serve with the same mindset that have to serve with the same mindset that Jesus has. So when I serve and I have an Jesus has. So when I serve and I have an Jesus has. So when I serve and I have an attitude of I want to take something attitude of I want to take something attitude of I want to take something from you or I need something from you, from you or I need something from you, from you or I need something from you, and we can identify when it happens and we can identify when it happens and we can identify when it happens because we get really ticked. We go, because we get really ticked. We go, because we get really ticked. We go, well, I served you and you weren't well, I served you and you weren't well, I served you and you weren't grateful and you weren't thankful and grateful and you weren't thankful and grateful and you weren't thankful and I'm done with you. Well, you don't have I'm done with you. Well, you don't have I'm done with you. Well, you don't have the mind of Christ because that's not the mind of Christ because that's not the mind of Christ because that's not what Jesus did. He goes, look at I what Jesus did. He goes, look at I what Jesus did. He goes, look at I served you and I loved you and I care served you and I loved you and I care served you and I loved you and I care for you and it's always an invitation to for you and it's always an invitation to for you and it's always an invitation to come and to be a part of it. And so the come and to be a part of it. And so the come and to be a part of it. And so the implication of Jesus being God is implication of Jesus being God is implication of Jesus being God is powerful because God is for us. powerful because God is for us. powerful because God is for us. I mean Jesus is God and he's for us. I mean Jesus is God and he's for us. I mean Jesus is God and he's for us. He's a savior to our rescue, and it is He's a savior to our rescue, and it is He's a savior to our rescue, and it is this profound sense of God invites us in this profound sense of God invites us in this profound sense of God invites us in to this loving community. to this loving community. to this loving community. >> Oh, that's beautiful. >> Oh, that's beautiful. >> Oh, that's beautiful. >> It's profound. >> It's profound. >> It's profound. >> It's I'm worshipful hearing about this. >> It's I'm worshipful hearing about this. >> It's I'm worshipful hearing about this. >> Well, bust out in song. Go ahead and >> Well, bust out in song. Go ahead and >> Well, bust out in song. Go ahead and >> You don't want me to. You don't want me >> You don't want me to. You don't want me >> You don't want me to. You don't want me to. But it is I mean I yeah, I I'm when to. But it is I mean I yeah, I I'm when to. But it is I mean I yeah, I I'm when we talk about this gap in our we talk about this gap in our we talk about this gap in our understanding, I I do consider what understanding, I I do consider what understanding, I I do consider what heaven will be like when faith becomes heaven will be like when faith becomes heaven will be like when faith becomes sight and when these things might make sight and when these things might make sight and when these things might make sense to us then and we might have more sense to us then and we might have more sense to us then and we might have more understanding.

understanding. understanding. >> that heaven is an eternity of learning >> that heaven is an eternity of learning >> that heaven is an eternity of learning and growing because you have an infinite and growing because you have an infinite and growing because you have an infinite God that you never totally can lock God that you never totally can lock God that you never totally can lock down. So we always are learning and down. So we always are learning and down. So we always are learning and we're always growing and we're always we're always growing and we're always we're always growing and we're always moving forward. It's not one and done. moving forward. It's not one and done. moving forward. It's not one and done. >> Yeah, and that's kind of the fun thing >> Yeah, and that's kind of the fun thing >> Yeah, and that's kind of the fun thing too in a relationship with Jesus is to too in a relationship with Jesus is to too in a relationship with Jesus is to continue to expand our understanding and continue to expand our understanding and continue to expand our understanding and there's always more of him to be there's always more of him to be there's always more of him to be discovered. So, discovered. So, discovered. So, you you talked about yeah, this how this you you talked about yeah, this how this you you talked about yeah, this how this passage does lead into Jesus as a passage does lead into Jesus as a passage does lead into Jesus as a servant and this um the one one part of servant and this um the one one part of servant and this um the one one part of the scripture in particular, the loving the scripture in particular, the loving the scripture in particular, the loving another above ourselves out of another above ourselves out of another above ourselves out of Philippians 2. Philippians 2. Philippians 2. And I'd love for you to share a little And I'd love for you to share a little And I'd love for you to share a little bit about a distinction that you made, bit about a distinction that you made, bit about a distinction that you made, which is that it it isn't when serving which is that it it isn't when serving which is that it it isn't when serving another, it isn't to think less of another, it isn't to think less of another, it isn't to think less of yourself. You shared a great quote. So, yourself. You shared a great quote. So, yourself. You shared a great quote. So, would would you just share with would would you just share with would would you just share with everybody there's a distinction that you everybody there's a distinction that you everybody there's a distinction that you made and I thought it was really made and I thought it was really made and I thought it was really helpful. helpful. helpful. >> Right. So, humility is defined in the >> Right. So, humility is defined in the >> Right. So, humility is defined in the passage as putting another person passage as putting another person passage as putting another person ahead of yourself. And that doesn't mean ahead of yourself. And that doesn't mean ahead of yourself. And that doesn't mean that we think of our self as use- that we think of our self as use- that we think of our self as use- useless or worthless.

useless or worthless. useless or worthless. But I I quoted John Stott, who I just But I I quoted John Stott, who I just But I I quoted John Stott, who I just love and he was a wonderfully humble man love and he was a wonderfully humble man love and he was a wonderfully humble man and he said what humility is then is is and he said what humility is then is is and he said what humility is then is is to not think less of ourselves, but to to not think less of ourselves, but to to not think less of ourselves, but to think of ourselves less. think of ourselves less. think of ourselves less. And I think that's a great turn on a And I think that's a great turn on a And I think that's a great turn on a phrase that goes so that's what it is. phrase that goes so that's what it is. phrase that goes so that's what it is. When I consider others more important When I consider others more important When I consider others more important than myself, doesn't mean that, you than myself, doesn't mean that, you than myself, doesn't mean that, you know, God you know, God isn't sad if his know, God you know, God isn't sad if his know, God you know, God isn't sad if his children are honored and it doesn't mean children are honored and it doesn't mean children are honored and it doesn't mean that we live as a victim. But what it that we live as a victim. But what it that we live as a victim. But what it does is that does is that does is that he is he expects us to put others in he is he expects us to put others in he is he expects us to put others in front of ourselves. So, we don't think front of ourselves. So, we don't think front of ourselves. So, we don't think less of ourselves, but we're just less of ourselves, but we're just less of ourselves, but we're just thinking less. thinking less. thinking less. You know, ourself less. Yeah, think of You know, ourself less. Yeah, think of You know, ourself less. Yeah, think of ourself. So, in that sense, you know, we ourself. So, in that sense, you know, we ourself. So, in that sense, you know, we understand that the only way that people understand that the only way that people understand that the only way that people are loved is if we serve or we step down are loved is if we serve or we step down are loved is if we serve or we step down or we surrender. No one is ever loved or we surrender. No one is ever loved or we surrender. No one is ever loved unless someone is unless someone is unless someone is surrendering or stepping down. It just surrendering or stepping down. It just surrendering or stepping down. It just doesn't happen. It doesn't happen in doesn't happen. It doesn't happen in doesn't happen. It doesn't happen in families, it doesn't happen at work, it families, it doesn't happen at work, it families, it doesn't happen at work, it doesn't happen in the church.

doesn't happen in the church. doesn't happen in the church. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> It doesn't happen. >> It doesn't happen. >> It doesn't happen. >> It's powerful. I mean, that it's it's >> It's powerful. I mean, that it's it's >> It's powerful. I mean, that it's it's just causing me to reflect a lot on what just causing me to reflect a lot on what just causing me to reflect a lot on what even is my own definition of loving. even is my own definition of loving. even is my own definition of loving. >> That's right. And that's why what in >> That's right. And that's why what in >> That's right. And that's why what in marriage you go, "Well, so how does a marriage you go, "Well, so how does a marriage you go, "Well, so how does a marriage work?" Well, how is a spouse marriage work?" Well, how is a spouse marriage work?" Well, how is a spouse loved? Is well, when you put them ahead loved? Is well, when you put them ahead loved? Is well, when you put them ahead of yourself and when you don't keep a of yourself and when you don't keep a of yourself and when you don't keep a record of wrongs and when you honor them record of wrongs and when you honor them record of wrongs and when you honor them and you you know, so that's what it and you you know, so that's what it and you you know, so that's what it takes, but it's really hard because when takes, but it's really hard because when takes, but it's really hard because when you're a servant, two things happens. you're a servant, two things happens. you're a servant, two things happens. You have to humble yourself and step You have to humble yourself and step You have to humble yourself and step down, take a lower position and then down, take a lower position and then down, take a lower position and then people are going to treat you that way. people are going to treat you that way. people are going to treat you that way. And so then you go, "Wait a second." You And so then you go, "Wait a second." You And so then you go, "Wait a second." You know, because it's one thing for me to know, because it's one thing for me to know, because it's one thing for me to surrender, but then somebody treats me surrender, but then somebody treats me surrender, but then somebody treats me >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> and it's like, "Whoa." >> and it's like, "Whoa." >> and it's like, "Whoa." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, and that's what happened to Jesus. >> So, and that's what happened to Jesus. >> So, and that's what happened to Jesus. So, So, So, it's hard enough being a servant and it's hard enough being a servant and it's hard enough being a servant and then somebody treats you as a servant, then somebody treats you as a servant, then somebody treats you as a servant, you're like, "Oh, okay." you're like, "Oh, okay." you're like, "Oh, okay." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How does that work? >> How does that work? >> How does that work? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You um continue have served our church You um continue have served our church You um continue have served our church in humility and beautifully for decades.

in humility and beautifully for decades. in humility and beautifully for decades. And I am personally so thankful and I And I am personally so thankful and I And I am personally so thankful and I know many people listening are really know many people listening are really know many people listening are really thankful. thankful. thankful. And then there is a group of people who And then there is a group of people who And then there is a group of people who are on the brink of beginning their are on the brink of beginning their are on the brink of beginning their journey. Their journey serving and I'd journey. Their journey serving and I'd journey. Their journey serving and I'd love for you to just take a second to love for you to just take a second to love for you to just take a second to speak to them. What do you What do you speak to them. What do you What do you speak to them. What do you What do you hope they'd know? hope they'd know? hope they'd know? >> Yeah, so this is something that I did >> Yeah, so this is something that I did >> Yeah, so this is something that I did not I I didn't have time to talk about not I I didn't have time to talk about not I I didn't have time to talk about and it really fits into the if I had and it really fits into the if I had and it really fits into the if I had more time because more time because more time because you know, in this passage we see who you know, in this passage we see who you know, in this passage we see who Jesus is. So, he's God, he's human and Jesus is. So, he's God, he's human and Jesus is. So, he's God, he's human and he is a humble servant and then he is a humble servant and then he is a humble servant and then ultimately how that transforms us. ultimately how that transforms us. ultimately how that transforms us. But the idea then is that he calls us to But the idea then is that he calls us to But the idea then is that he calls us to follow him and he says, "I didn't come follow him and he says, "I didn't come follow him and he says, "I didn't come to be served, but to serve and I want to be served, but to serve and I want to be served, but to serve and I want you to go out." And the way we transform you to go out." And the way we transform you to go out." And the way we transform the world is that we serve. We show up the world is that we serve. We show up the world is that we serve. We show up as servants, which is an amazing thought as servants, which is an amazing thought as servants, which is an amazing thought cuz the world says, "No, the way you cuz the world says, "No, the way you cuz the world says, "No, the way you really change the world is with really change the world is with really change the world is with greatness and power and influence and greatness and power and influence and greatness and power and influence and hugeness and bigness." And then the hugeness and bigness." And then the hugeness and bigness." And then the surprise is that Jesus says, and you can surprise is that Jesus says, and you can surprise is that Jesus says, and you can see for 2,000 years the only way to see for 2,000 years the only way to see for 2,000 years the only way to really bring significant change is to really bring significant change is to really bring significant change is to serve.

serve. serve. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And it not only transforms you, but it >> And it not only transforms you, but it >> And it not only transforms you, but it transforms the world. transforms the world. transforms the world. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I'll tell you the thing that I >> And I'll tell you the thing that I >> And I'll tell you the thing that I learned I learned early in life, and learned I learned early in life, and learned I learned early in life, and this is why I love the church, is this is why I love the church, is this is why I love the church, is because Lori and I we grew up in the because Lori and I we grew up in the because Lori and I we grew up in the same church. We were like junior high same church. We were like junior high same church. We were like junior high together. together. together. And And And >> No way, I didn't know that. >> No way, I didn't know that. >> No way, I didn't know that. >> Yeah, we did. >> Yeah, we did. >> Yeah, we did. >> How fun. >> How fun. >> How fun. >> Yeah, and in a little church. And we had >> Yeah, and in a little church. And we had >> Yeah, and in a little church. And we had work days, and so we would show up and work days, and so we would show up and work days, and so we would show up and we would, you know, and we were expected we would, you know, and we were expected we would, you know, and we were expected to show up and we served. And so it was to show up and we served. And so it was to show up and we served. And so it was it was something I learned at an early it was something I learned at an early it was something I learned at an early age. I learned, you know what? I'm going age. I learned, you know what? I'm going age. I learned, you know what? I'm going to do something for another person. And to do something for another person. And to do something for another person. And I can remember as I was late in junior I can remember as I was late in junior I can remember as I was late in junior high, maybe eighth grade, you know, we high, maybe eighth grade, you know, we high, maybe eighth grade, you know, we had kids that were in Sunday school down had kids that were in Sunday school down had kids that were in Sunday school down earlier, and because it was a small earlier, and because it was a small earlier, and because it was a small church they go, "We need somebody." And church they go, "We need somebody." And church they go, "We need somebody." And so one of the very first things where I so one of the very first things where I so one of the very first things where I did where I had responsibility, I had did where I had responsibility, I had did where I had responsibility, I had like six, five like six, five like six, five little boys that I had to teach Sunday little boys that I had to teach Sunday little boys that I had to teach Sunday school to. And I'm going, "Whoa." And school to. And I'm going, "Whoa." And school to. And I'm going, "Whoa." And Lori, I mean this is before, you know, Lori, I mean this is before, you know, Lori, I mean this is before, you know, she's a sixth grader and she's I'm going she's a sixth grader and she's I'm going she's a sixth grader and she's I'm going to grade and she's helping out in the to grade and she's helping out in the to grade and she's helping out in the nursery. And so she's, you know, helping nursery. And so she's, you know, helping nursery. And so she's, you know, helping with kids, and I'm teaching kids. And it with kids, and I'm teaching kids. And it with kids, and I'm teaching kids. And it was the first time was the first time was the first time I think I ever, you know, I didn't know I think I ever, you know, I didn't know I think I ever, you know, I didn't know where I'm going or what I'm going to be.

where I'm going or what I'm going to be. where I'm going or what I'm going to be. And I'm here helping and I had this And I'm here helping and I had this And I'm here helping and I had this sense of excitement as that I'd have to, sense of excitement as that I'd have to, sense of excitement as that I'd have to, you know, come up with a Bible story as you know, come up with a Bible story as you know, come up with a Bible story as good as an eighth grader can. And good as an eighth grader can. And good as an eighth grader can. And [laughter] you know, he's trying to do [laughter] you know, he's trying to do [laughter] you know, he's trying to do it and I'm trying to tell these kids it and I'm trying to tell these kids it and I'm trying to tell these kids that are, you know, that are, you know, that are, you know, five, six year olds, you know, trying to five, six year olds, you know, trying to five, six year olds, you know, trying to do it. But I'll tell you what it did is do it. But I'll tell you what it did is do it. But I'll tell you what it did is that it really transforms selfishness. I that it really transforms selfishness. I that it really transforms selfishness. I mean, it it there's a break where you mean, it it there's a break where you mean, it it there's a break where you go, go, go, "You know what? Selfish and "You know what? Selfish and "You know what? Selfish and self-centered and a me first life does self-centered and a me first life does self-centered and a me first life does not work." I learned that by just not work." I learned that by just not work." I learned that by just serving in the church. And I learned the serving in the church. And I learned the serving in the church. And I learned the idea that, "You know what? And that I idea that, "You know what? And that I idea that, "You know what? And that I like teaching God's word as in eighth like teaching God's word as in eighth like teaching God's word as in eighth graders, you know, just teaching little graders, you know, just teaching little graders, you know, just teaching little kids. And And it's I'm emotional because what I love it's I'm emotional because what I love it's I'm emotional because what I love about the church is in my own kids' about the church is in my own kids' about the church is in my own kids' life. So, four of my kids, you know, I life. So, four of my kids, you know, I life. So, four of my kids, you know, I have four boys, they came up through the have four boys, they came up through the have four boys, they came up through the church and one of the things that I church and one of the things that I church and one of the things that I believe most importantly is that believe most importantly is that believe most importantly is that serving in the church isn't just the serving in the church isn't just the serving in the church isn't just the greatest thrill, but it is the thing greatest thrill, but it is the thing greatest thrill, but it is the thing that builds character. Character of that builds character. Character of that builds character. Character of putting, you know, being humble, being a putting, you know, being humble, being a putting, you know, being humble, being a servant, breaking selfishness, you know, servant, breaking selfishness, you know, servant, breaking selfishness, you know, willing to to to love others. It is the willing to to to love others. It is the willing to to to love others. It is the essence of that. And so, essence of that. And so, essence of that. And so, you know, because we're a church and the you know, because we're a church and the you know, because we're a church and the church was way smaller when my kids were church was way smaller when my kids were church was way smaller when my kids were young, you know, they had opportunities young, you know, they had opportunities young, you know, they had opportunities just like I did where, you know, there just like I did where, you know, there just like I did where, you know, there were work days at the church, they got were work days at the church, they got were work days at the church, they got to serve, you know, they got to do stuff to serve, you know, they got to do stuff to serve, you know, they got to do stuff in VBS. And so, you know, they were in in VBS. And so, you know, they were in in VBS. And so, you know, they were in junior high and they were helping out

junior high and they were helping out junior high and they were helping out and they were, you know, leaders when and they were, you know, leaders when and they were, you know, leaders when they're in high school. They're way they're in high school. They're way they're in high school. They're way disproportion. They got to And you know disproportion. They got to And you know disproportion. They got to And you know what? It defines them and they are who what? It defines them and they are who what? It defines them and they are who they are today. I have they are today. I have they are today. I have I have grandkids in one of our, you I have grandkids in one of our, you I have grandkids in one of our, you know, campuses. And know, campuses. And know, campuses. And you know, you know, you know, what is transforming them today is that what is transforming them today is that what is transforming them today is that they serve. So, they serve. So, they serve. So, you know, there was a VBS there and I you know, there was a VBS there and I you know, there was a VBS there and I have a have a have a grandkid that's a college freshman and grandkid that's a college freshman and grandkid that's a college freshman and one who's a junior, going to be a senior one who's a junior, going to be a senior one who's a junior, going to be a senior in high school, and one's a sophomore. in high school, and one's a sophomore. in high school, and one's a sophomore. And you know what? They were running VBS And you know what? They were running VBS And you know what? They were running VBS for that. And so, when you look at them for that. And so, when you look at them for that. And so, when you look at them today and people see you go, kind of you today and people see you go, kind of you today and people see you go, kind of you go, there's character and resiliency and go, there's character and resiliency and go, there's character and resiliency and the beauty of love and they're kind and the beauty of love and they're kind and the beauty of love and they're kind and they Why? They learn it they Why? They learn it they Why? They learn it through the discipline of serving. So, through the discipline of serving. So, through the discipline of serving. So, when you look at this gift that God when you look at this gift that God when you look at this gift that God gives us, it's not just this is who gives us, it's not just this is who gives us, it's not just this is who Jesus was and he serves, you go look at Jesus was and he serves, you go look at Jesus was and he serves, you go look at what it does to people's life. It built what it does to people's life. It built what it does to people's life. It built who I am.

who I am. who I am. And so there are lots of times where you And so there are lots of times where you And so there are lots of times where you know, I was doing something and you know, I was doing something and you know, I was doing something and you know, you get shoved in a corner and know, you get shoved in a corner and know, you get shoved in a corner and people criticize you and you want to people criticize you and you want to people criticize you and you want to come out and you want to just and you come out and you want to just and you come out and you want to just and you say I'm here to serve. say I'm here to serve. say I'm here to serve. I'm here to serve. I'm going to do the I'm here to serve. I'm going to do the I'm here to serve. I'm going to do the best I can. Doesn't mean that you know, best I can. Doesn't mean that you know, best I can. Doesn't mean that you know, you get cross eyed with people. You you get cross eyed with people. You you get cross eyed with people. You still have to make decisions, but you do still have to make decisions, but you do still have to make decisions, but you do it with such a different attitude. It's it with such a different attitude. It's it with such a different attitude. It's not defiance and it's not the sense of not defiance and it's not the sense of not defiance and it's not the sense of I'll show you, but it's just saying okay I'll show you, but it's just saying okay I'll show you, but it's just saying okay God, I'm doing the best I can. I'm here God, I'm doing the best I can. I'm here God, I'm doing the best I can. I'm here to serve. So that I have seen it in my to serve. So that I have seen it in my to serve. So that I have seen it in my life. I've seen it in my kids life. I've life. I've seen it in my kids life. I've life. I've seen it in my kids life. I've seen it in my grandkids life. And so you seen it in my grandkids life. And so you seen it in my grandkids life. And so you know, for people to sit in a church and know, for people to sit in a church and know, for people to sit in a church and to not serve, I think and especially not to not serve, I think and especially not to not serve, I think and especially not to get their kids integrated and serving to get their kids integrated and serving to get their kids integrated and serving because there's so many cool because there's so many cool because there's so many cool opportunities. Like in the children's opportunities. Like in the children's opportunities. Like in the children's ministry and everything. I mean it's ministry and everything. I mean it's ministry and everything. I mean it's that's where my kids started. It's where that's where my kids started. It's where that's where my kids started. It's where I started. It's where my grandkids are I started. It's where my grandkids are I started. It's where my grandkids are starting. It's like it is the coolest starting. It's like it is the coolest starting. It's like it is the coolest place in the world and it breaks place in the world and it breaks place in the world and it breaks selfishness. Who doesn't want to do selfishness. Who doesn't want to do selfishness. Who doesn't want to do that? that? that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Who doesn't?

Who doesn't? Who doesn't? >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> It's powerful. Thank you Kenton. It's >> It's powerful. Thank you Kenton. It's >> It's powerful. Thank you Kenton. It's I'm I'm so grateful to get to hear about I'm I'm so grateful to get to hear about I'm I'm so grateful to get to hear about the heart transformation that happens. the heart transformation that happens. the heart transformation that happens. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> It's clear the impact that serving >> It's clear the impact that serving >> It's clear the impact that serving happens or that serving has when you happens or that serving has when you happens or that serving has when you look around our church and you see the look around our church and you see the look around our church and you see the beautiful growth and you see life change beautiful growth and you see life change beautiful growth and you see life change happening everywhere you look. You know, happening everywhere you look. You know, happening everywhere you look. You know, of course there's impact. But I'm really of course there's impact. But I'm really of course there's impact. But I'm really grateful that you took time to talk grateful that you took time to talk grateful that you took time to talk about what happens within us and about what happens within us and about what happens within us and um the um the um the the impact on our character and our the impact on our character and our the impact on our character and our relationship with God and our relationship with God and our relationship with God and our relationship with other people. So thank relationship with other people. So thank relationship with other people. So thank you for that and you for that and you for that and I'm I'm just really grateful that we had I'm I'm just really grateful that we had I'm I'm just really grateful that we had we had you to teach us this week and um we had you to teach us this week and um we had you to teach us this week and um so much history and um yeah, it's a it's so much history and um yeah, it's a it's so much history and um yeah, it's a it's a beautiful story that God is writing at a beautiful story that God is writing at a beautiful story that God is writing at Mariners Church and it is from decades Mariners Church and it is from decades Mariners Church and it is from decades and decades of humble servants like and decades of humble servants like and decades of humble servants like yourself and yourself and yourself and I'm I'm so thankful. So, I'm I'm so thankful. So, I'm I'm so thankful. So, thanks for being here.

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