Canceled Historian EXPOSES the Truth About Islam | Live Free with Josh Howerton

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welcome to Live Free. welcome to Live Free. >> Thanks for having me, Josh. Happy to be >> Thanks for having me, Josh. Happy to be >> Thanks for having me, Josh. Happy to be with you. with you. with you. >> This is great. So, um, for listeners, I >> This is great. So, um, for listeners, I >> This is great. So, um, for listeners, I just want to tell you like one of the just want to tell you like one of the just want to tell you like one of the coolest things about this it the podcast coolest things about this it the podcast coolest things about this it the podcast kind of doing what it's done is I was kind of doing what it's done is I was kind of doing what it's done is I was telling you beforehand when I read telling you beforehand when I read telling you beforehand when I read something that I really like, I can something that I really like, I can something that I really like, I can actually get a hold of the guy. actually get a hold of the guy. actually get a hold of the guy. >> That's a good thing. >> That's a good thing. >> That's a good thing. >> Yeah, it is. That's what happened with >> Yeah, it is. That's what happened with >> Yeah, it is. That's what happened with you. So, I'm honestly I'm just going to you. So, I'm honestly I'm just going to you. So, I'm honestly I'm just going to tell everybody how I found out about tell everybody how I found out about tell everybody how I found out about you. And then heads up for people that you. And then heads up for people that you. And then heads up for people that are listening, we're about to have a are listening, we're about to have a are listening, we're about to have a very interesting discussion on the very interesting discussion on the very interesting discussion on the history of uh, Islam. Uh, I think some history of uh, Islam. Uh, I think some history of uh, Islam. Uh, I think some of you guys probably like me when I read of you guys probably like me when I read of you guys probably like me when I read uh Raymond's book are going to get uh Raymond's book are going to get uh Raymond's book are going to get pulled out of the matrix and then talk pulled out of the matrix and then talk pulled out of the matrix and then talk about how some of those things intersect about how some of those things intersect about how some of those things intersect with what's going on in society now. Um, with what's going on in society now. Um, with what's going on in society now. Um, here's how I got introduced to you and I here's how I got introduced to you and I here's how I got introduced to you and I want to thank you. Um, I sleep terrible, want to thank you. Um, I sleep terrible, want to thank you. Um, I sleep terrible, so I usually wake up between like two so I usually wake up between like two so I usually wake up between like two and four and I read military history. and four and I read military history. and four and I read military history. That was the first book I read, Sword That was the first book I read, Sword That was the first book I read, Sword and Scitar. Um, so I'm going to toss and Scitar. Um, so I'm going to toss and Scitar. Um, so I'm going to toss this up here for people who like to read this up here for people who like to read this up here for people who like to read like me. That book was unbelievable. I like me. That book was unbelievable. I like me. That book was unbelievable. I couldn't put that thing down.

couldn't put that thing down. couldn't put that thing down. >> Thank you. So, and I'm here in a second. >> Thank you. So, and I'm here in a second. >> Thank you. So, and I'm here in a second. I'm going ask you what it was about and I'm going ask you what it was about and I'm going ask you what it was about and all that stuff. Then I got a hold of all that stuff. Then I got a hold of all that stuff. Then I got a hold of that guy. This is Defenders of the West. that guy. This is Defenders of the West. that guy. This is Defenders of the West. That book is hard. That's an awesome That book is hard. That's an awesome That book is hard. That's an awesome book. book. book. >> Um, that's like it's like vignettes of >> Um, that's like it's like vignettes of >> Um, that's like it's like vignettes of it's primarily guys during the Crusades. it's primarily guys during the Crusades. it's primarily guys during the Crusades. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, one of the fun facts for me >> Yeah. So, one of the fun facts for me >> Yeah. So, one of the fun facts for me was discovering that Vlad the Impaler, was discovering that Vlad the Impaler, was discovering that Vlad the Impaler, >> the guy that Count Dracula is based on, >> the guy that Count Dracula is based on, >> the guy that Count Dracula is based on, was one of the defenders of the West. was one of the defenders of the West. was one of the defenders of the West. So, I may ask you about that. So, I may ask you about that. So, I may ask you about that. >> Of course, please. That's a That's a >> Of course, please. That's a That's a >> Of course, please. That's a That's a That's a big one. That's a big one. That's a big one. >> Yeah. So, here's where I want to go. >> Yeah. So, here's where I want to go. >> Yeah. So, here's where I want to go. There's a few things I want to ask you There's a few things I want to ask you There's a few things I want to ask you about. Uh, one, I want to talk to you about. Uh, one, I want to talk to you about. Uh, one, I want to talk to you about the Crusades and kind of the vibe about the Crusades and kind of the vibe about the Crusades and kind of the vibe I picked up in high school that it was I picked up in high school that it was I picked up in high school that it was all evil, racist Christians just want to all evil, racist Christians just want to all evil, racist Christians just want to colonize people. Uh, I want to talk to colonize people. Uh, I want to talk to colonize people. Uh, I want to talk to you real quick about the rise of Islam you real quick about the rise of Islam you real quick about the rise of Islam in Europe, in the United States. We're in Europe, in the United States. We're in Europe, in the United States. We're seeing this a lot in Dallas and like, seeing this a lot in Dallas and like, seeing this a lot in Dallas and like, man, how should we and maybe should we man, how should we and maybe should we man, how should we and maybe should we not think about that kind of stuff? not think about that kind of stuff? not think about that kind of stuff? >> Uh, I definitely I have been waiting to >> Uh, I definitely I have been waiting to >> Uh, I definitely I have been waiting to ask you this question. I definitely want ask you this question. I definitely want ask you this question. I definitely want to talk to you about the what I feel to talk to you about the what I feel to talk to you about the what I feel like is the weird alliance between like is the weird alliance between like is the weird alliance between progressivism and Islam that makes no progressivism and Islam that makes no progressivism and Islam that makes no sense to most people makes no sense to sense to most people makes no sense to sense to most people makes no sense to most people. But first, uh can you just most people. But first, uh can you just most people. But first, uh can you just tell me a little bit about yourself and tell me a little bit about yourself and tell me a little bit about yourself and why you have canled in your YouTube bio?

why you have canled in your YouTube bio? why you have canled in your YouTube bio? >> Um all right. Well, thanks Josh. Uh and >> Um all right. Well, thanks Josh. Uh and >> Um all right. Well, thanks Josh. Uh and I'm really happy to hear that you liked I'm really happy to hear that you liked I'm really happy to hear that you liked these books and we'll talk about them. these books and we'll talk about them. these books and we'll talk about them. Uh the reason it says canceled in my bio Uh the reason it says canceled in my bio Uh the reason it says canceled in my bio is because I actually have been around is because I actually have been around is because I actually have been around for quite some time. I started writing for quite some time. I started writing for quite some time. I started writing um and publishing and all that sort of um and publishing and all that sort of um and publishing and all that sort of thing soon after 911 and in the context thing soon after 911 and in the context thing soon after 911 and in the context of 911. Uh right around 911 I finished of 911. Uh right around 911 I finished of 911. Uh right around 911 I finished my master's thesis which was um uh about my master's thesis which was um uh about my master's thesis which was um uh about the first military encounter between the first military encounter between the first military encounter between Muslims and Christians, the battle of Muslims and Christians, the battle of Muslims and Christians, the battle of Yarmmuk. So obviously I had an interest Yarmmuk. So obviously I had an interest Yarmmuk. So obviously I had an interest in that. That was around late 90s right in that. That was around late 90s right in that. That was around late 90s right around 2000. And from that point on I um around 2000. And from that point on I um around 2000. And from that point on I um I I actually continued graduate school. I I actually continued graduate school. I I actually continued graduate school. I went to Georgetown University in DC I went to Georgetown University in DC I went to Georgetown University in DC because at the time they had, you know, because at the time they had, you know, because at the time they had, you know, what was taunted as a as a great Arab what was taunted as a as a great Arab what was taunted as a as a great Arab studies program, Islamic studies. Of studies program, Islamic studies. Of studies program, Islamic studies. Of course, I learned the hard way and we course, I learned the hard way and we course, I learned the hard way and we can get into what I learned in academia, can get into what I learned in academia, can get into what I learned in academia, but long story short, it it left a, you but long story short, it it left a, you but long story short, it it left a, you know, bad taste in my mouth and I was know, bad taste in my mouth and I was know, bad taste in my mouth and I was about to leave, but I got a job, an about to leave, but I got a job, an about to leave, but I got a job, an internship at the Library of Congress in internship at the Library of Congress in internship at the Library of Congress in the Near East section. Library of the Near East section. Library of the Near East section. Library of Congress has it's the largest library in Congress has it's the largest library in Congress has it's the largest library in the world. It's really f it's amazing the world. It's really f it's amazing the world. It's really f it's amazing and fascinating especially if you work and fascinating especially if you work and fascinating especially if you work there because you can go behind the there because you can go behind the there because you can go behind the scenes and most people can't get into scenes and most people can't get into scenes and most people can't get into the stacks. I could the stacks. I could the stacks. I could >> and um long story short I was working >> and um long story short I was working >> and um long story short I was working with Arabic language books and I came with Arabic language books and I came with Arabic language books and I came across writings by um al-Qaeda which was across writings by um al-Qaeda which was across writings by um al-Qaeda which was a topic back then. Okay, this is I came a topic back then. Okay, this is I came a topic back then. Okay, this is I came across these maybe 2004 across these maybe 2004 across these maybe 2004 and they were writings by Osama bin and they were writings by Osama bin and they were writings by Osama bin Laden in Arabic and Aman Zwahi who were Laden in Arabic and Aman Zwahi who were Laden in Arabic and Aman Zwahi who were at the time first and second leaders of at the time first and second leaders of at the time first and second leaders of al-Qaeda. Long story short, I got I got al-Qaeda. Long story short, I got I got al-Qaeda. Long story short, I got I got it actually um a book deal to translate

it actually um a book deal to translate it actually um a book deal to translate these and uh basically annotate them and these and uh basically annotate them and these and uh basically annotate them and explain them. And they came out in explain them. And they came out in explain them. And they came out in finally in 2007 uh by double day, it's finally in 2007 uh by double day, it's finally in 2007 uh by double day, it's the al-Qaeda reader. And the whole point the al-Qaeda reader. And the whole point the al-Qaeda reader. And the whole point of that book was to show you that before of that book was to show you that before of that book was to show you that before I came across this stuff and translated I came across this stuff and translated I came across this stuff and translated it, al-Qaeda was actually sending it, al-Qaeda was actually sending it, al-Qaeda was actually sending communicates to the West and the West communicates to the West and the West communicates to the West and the West was happily disseminating it. The media, was happily disseminating it. The media, was happily disseminating it. The media, BBC, CNN, and everything al-Qaeda would BBC, CNN, and everything al-Qaeda would BBC, CNN, and everything al-Qaeda would say was, "Uh, we attacked you because say was, "Uh, we attacked you because say was, "Uh, we attacked you because you attacked us. It's all about you attacked us. It's all about you attacked us. It's all about reciprocal treatment. You respect us, reciprocal treatment. You respect us, reciprocal treatment. You respect us, we'll respect you." And it it listed we'll respect you." And it it listed we'll respect you." And it it listed grievances, you know, and endless grievances, you know, and endless grievances, you know, and endless mountains of grievances from the mountains of grievances from the mountains of grievances from the Crusades to the colonial era to Israel Crusades to the colonial era to Israel Crusades to the colonial era to Israel to teddy bears named Muhammad. Okay. to teddy bears named Muhammad. Okay. to teddy bears named Muhammad. Okay. Yeah. Really? Okay. Yeah. Really? Okay. Yeah. Really? Okay. >> Like that's that's real. >> Like that's that's real. >> Like that's that's real. >> That's real. Okay. Yeah. All right. >> That's real. Okay. Yeah. All right. >> That's real. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Say you're you're mocking our Yeah. Say you're you're mocking our Yeah. Say you're you're mocking our prophet. Uh to the Kyoto protocol that prophet. Uh to the Kyoto protocol that prophet. Uh to the Kyoto protocol that the you know the environment. So it was the you know the environment. So it was the you know the environment. So it was just this long it it was very it was just this long it it was very it was just this long it it was very it was tailor made to a western audience and it tailor made to a western audience and it tailor made to a western audience and it was very intelligible to western was very intelligible to western was very intelligible to western audience because oh yeah we're bad audience because oh yeah we're bad audience because oh yeah we're bad because of course the west is because of course the west is because of course the west is conditioned into thinking it's bad.

conditioned into thinking it's bad. conditioned into thinking it's bad. >> I want to ask you about that by >> I want to ask you about that by >> I want to ask you about that by >> yeah that's a that's a huge theme that's >> yeah that's a that's a huge theme that's >> yeah that's a that's a huge theme that's what I call the enabler of everything. what I call the enabler of everything. what I call the enabler of everything. But then what I came across in Arabic But then what I came across in Arabic But then what I came across in Arabic was the same bin Laden and Aman Zwahi was the same bin Laden and Aman Zwahi was the same bin Laden and Aman Zwahi writing in Arabic to Muslims and it was writing in Arabic to Muslims and it was writing in Arabic to Muslims and it was the completely different message now. It the completely different message now. It the completely different message now. It was oh we have to hate them because of was oh we have to hate them because of was oh we have to hate them because of who they are. Oh, it's we have to do who they are. Oh, it's we have to do who they are. Oh, it's we have to do jihad and uh these are kufur infidels. jihad and uh these are kufur infidels. jihad and uh these are kufur infidels. Oh, they're the enemies no matter what Oh, they're the enemies no matter what Oh, they're the enemies no matter what they do. Okay. So, it was a completely they do. Okay. So, it was a completely they do. Okay. So, it was a completely different message. different message. different message. >> Wait, I want to understand you right. >> Wait, I want to understand you right. >> Wait, I want to understand you right. Yeah. So, wait. You're saying the same Yeah. So, wait. You're saying the same Yeah. So, wait. You're saying the same communicates were getting translated one communicates were getting translated one communicates were getting translated one way by public media, way by public media, way by public media, >> but the actual translations were >> but the actual translations were >> but the actual translations were different. different. different. >> No, he was sending communicates directly >> No, he was sending communicates directly >> No, he was sending communicates directly to the west to the west to the west >> and and probably in Arabic and Western >> and and probably in Arabic and Western >> and and probably in Arabic and Western media would translate it. But then he media would translate it. But then he media would translate it. But then he wrote books in Arabic to fellow Muslims, wrote books in Arabic to fellow Muslims, wrote books in Arabic to fellow Muslims, not sent to the West. Okay. In the Arab not sent to the West. Okay. In the Arab not sent to the West. Okay. In the Arab world. Ah, world. Ah, world. Ah, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Right. And that's what I came across and >> Right. And that's what I came across and >> Right. And that's what I came across and found. It wasn't even cataloged yet. It found. It wasn't even cataloged yet. It found. It wasn't even cataloged yet. It was in the Library of Congress. was in the Library of Congress. was in the Library of Congress. >> And I read it and I was just amazed. I >> And I read it and I was just amazed. I >> And I read it and I was just amazed. I was like, "Wow." Because I can read was like, "Wow." Because I can read was like, "Wow." Because I can read Arabic. I was like, "He's saying all Arabic. I was like, "He's saying all Arabic. I was like, "He's saying all this and nobody knows, you know, where's this and nobody knows, you know, where's this and nobody knows, you know, where's where's the CIA? Where's the you know, where's the CIA? Where's the you know, where's the CIA? Where's the you know, where's the intelligence community?" You where's the intelligence community?" You where's the intelligence community?" You know, I'm some guy who's like I was in know, I'm some guy who's like I was in know, I'm some guy who's like I was in my early 30s in, you know, just in my early 30s in, you know, just in my early 30s in, you know, just in graduate school. Anyway, so I translated graduate school. Anyway, so I translated graduate school. Anyway, so I translated it and that was the big revealer at the it and that was the big revealer at the it and that was the big revealer at the time was kind of like, oh, look at the time was kind of like, oh, look at the time was kind of like, oh, look at the that you know that he's a the double that you know that he's a the double that you know that he's a the double speak from these Islamic groups, right?

speak from these Islamic groups, right? speak from these Islamic groups, right? Um, so anyway, I tell you all that Um, so anyway, I tell you all that Um, so anyway, I tell you all that that's a long story just to tell you how that's a long story just to tell you how that's a long story just to tell you how I got into this whole field. But then, I got into this whole field. But then, I got into this whole field. But then, uh, I was working at the Library of uh, I was working at the Library of uh, I was working at the Library of Congress, like I said, and I was even I Congress, like I said, and I was even I Congress, like I said, and I was even I was helping the, uh, congressional was helping the, uh, congressional was helping the, uh, congressional research department and and that sort of research department and and that sort of research department and and that sort of thing. And then eventually I I just um thing. And then eventually I I just um thing. And then eventually I I just um and I started writing about another and I started writing about another and I started writing about another topic that's near and dear to me which topic that's near and dear to me which topic that's near and dear to me which is Muslim persecution of Christians is Muslim persecution of Christians is Muslim persecution of Christians by background. I'm a Coptic Christian by background. I'm a Coptic Christian by background. I'm a Coptic Christian which is the the indigenous Christians which is the the indigenous Christians which is the the indigenous Christians indigenous natives actually of Egypt who indigenous natives actually of Egypt who indigenous natives actually of Egypt who were Christian before Egypt got were Christian before Egypt got were Christian before Egypt got conquered and Islamized in the 7th conquered and Islamized in the 7th conquered and Islamized in the 7th century. So I've had an obvious interest century. So I've had an obvious interest century. So I've had an obvious interest that's why I've always had an interest that's why I've always had an interest that's why I've always had an interest in the nexus between Muslim Islam and in the nexus between Muslim Islam and in the nexus between Muslim Islam and Christianity. Christianity. Christianity. >> That's why I wrote my thesis about what >> That's why I wrote my thesis about what >> That's why I wrote my thesis about what I did. So, one of the topics was the I did. So, one of the topics was the I did. So, one of the topics was the persecution of Christians. I ended up persecution of Christians. I ended up persecution of Christians. I ended up writing my next book about that. Came writing my next book about that. Came writing my next book about that. Came out in 2013 called Crucified Again. And out in 2013 called Crucified Again. And out in 2013 called Crucified Again. And uh and I still actually every month I uh and I still actually every month I uh and I still actually every month I write reports for the Gatesstone write reports for the Gatesstone write reports for the Gatesstone Institute for since 2011, Institute for since 2011, Institute for since 2011, >> monthly reports um about what happens >> monthly reports um about what happens >> monthly reports um about what happens every month uh to Christians at the every month uh to Christians at the every month uh to Christians at the hands of Muslims. And you'd be surprised hands of Muslims. And you'd be surprised hands of Muslims. And you'd be surprised because these reports are long and and because these reports are long and and because these reports are long and and they get longer and longer and they they get longer and longer and they they get longer and longer and they range from just, you know, slaughter range from just, you know, slaughter range from just, you know, slaughter left and right, especially in Africa, left and right, especially in Africa, left and right, especially in Africa, okay? Churches being desecrated, burned okay? Churches being desecrated, burned okay? Churches being desecrated, burned ritually, blasphemers and apostates, you ritually, blasphemers and apostates, you ritually, blasphemers and apostates, you Muslims who want to become Christians Muslims who want to become Christians Muslims who want to become Christians getting attacked and killed by their getting attacked and killed by their getting attacked and killed by their family, imprisoned, that sort of thing.

family, imprisoned, that sort of thing. family, imprisoned, that sort of thing. And any any one of these stories, by the And any any one of these stories, by the And any any one of these stories, by the way, if it was the opposite, if it was a way, if it was the opposite, if it was a way, if it was the opposite, if it was a Christian to an Islam, a Muslim, it'd be Christian to an Islam, a Muslim, it'd be Christian to an Islam, a Muslim, it'd be everywhere. Everyone would know. It everywhere. Everyone would know. It everywhere. Everyone would know. It would be everywhere. these stories. would be everywhere. these stories. would be everywhere. these stories. Nobody knows it. Okay. That's why a Nobody knows it. Okay. That's why a Nobody knows it. Okay. That's why a second why you think that is you you go second why you think that is you you go second why you think that is you you go ahead. ahead. ahead. >> Yeah. Um and I'm just I'm fast >> Yeah. Um and I'm just I'm fast >> Yeah. Um and I'm just I'm fast forwarding to give you a quick recap of forwarding to give you a quick recap of forwarding to give you a quick recap of who and what I am and why I do this. who and what I am and why I do this. who and what I am and why I do this. >> And then after at that point I became >> And then after at that point I became >> And then after at that point I became basically just a professional writer, a basically just a professional writer, a basically just a professional writer, a fellow at various think tanks. And fellow at various think tanks. And fellow at various think tanks. And that's when I started going back to my that's when I started going back to my that's when I started going back to my original interest, history, which is original interest, history, which is original interest, history, which is what I studied in college. Um my what I studied in college. Um my what I studied in college. Um my professor, by the way, you know, Victor professor, by the way, you know, Victor professor, by the way, you know, Victor Davis Hansen. Davis Hansen. Davis Hansen. >> Yeah. I love reading his stuff. >> Yeah. I love reading his stuff. >> Yeah. I love reading his stuff. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I love reading stuff. >> I love reading stuff. >> I love reading stuff. >> Um and so yeah, he was uh Yeah, exactly. >> Um and so yeah, he was uh Yeah, exactly. >> Um and so yeah, he was uh Yeah, exactly. That's why I got into military history That's why I got into military history That's why I got into military history because I he was my professor at the because I he was my professor at the because I he was my professor at the time. He's right. time. He's right. time. He's right. >> He he started doing military history, >> He he started doing military history, >> He he started doing military history, right? right? right? >> Yeah. Yeah. He at the time that I >> Yeah. Yeah. He at the time that I >> Yeah. Yeah. He at the time that I started my MA thesis with him which was started my MA thesis with him which was started my MA thesis with him which was about the battle of Yarmmoo, he was about the battle of Yarmmoo, he was about the battle of Yarmmoo, he was writing the book the carnage and writing the book the carnage and writing the book the carnage and culture. Okay. culture. Okay. culture. Okay. >> Which was so there was a lot of symbio >> Which was so there was a lot of symbio >> Which was so there was a lot of symbio symbiotic kind of I think I even helped symbiotic kind of I think I even helped symbiotic kind of I think I even helped a little bit of research for him at the a little bit of research for him at the a little bit of research for him at the time as as we were like interns a little time as as we were like interns a little time as as we were like interns a little bit some of our the students. Anyway, bit some of our the students. Anyway, bit some of our the students. Anyway, um, so I've been writing now back to the um, so I've been writing now back to the um, so I've been writing now back to the history because I find that much more history because I find that much more history because I find that much more fascinating when we talk about Islam, fascinating when we talk about Islam, fascinating when we talk about Islam, for example, in the al-Qaeda reader. I for example, in the al-Qaeda reader. I for example, in the al-Qaeda reader. I talked about the doctrine of Islam. And talked about the doctrine of Islam. And talked about the doctrine of Islam. And a lot of people talk about, you know, a lot of people talk about, you know, a lot of people talk about, you know, the problematic doctrines of Islam. And the problematic doctrines of Islam. And the problematic doctrines of Islam. And I think that's good. I do it, too. What I think that's good. I do it, too. What I think that's good. I do it, too. What no one had really done before me was to no one had really done before me was to no one had really done before me was to show you the historical manifestation of show you the historical manifestation of show you the historical manifestation of these doctrines because that's a lot these doctrines because that's a lot these doctrines because that's a lot harder to do. It's it's easy to harder to do. It's it's easy to harder to do. It's it's easy to memorize. you know, 10 verses in the memorize. you know, 10 verses in the memorize. you know, 10 verses in the Quran which are anti-infidel, etc., and

Quran which are anti-infidel, etc., and Quran which are anti-infidel, etc., and we all talk about it all the time. It's we all talk about it all the time. It's we all talk about it all the time. It's a lot harder to actually dig into the a lot harder to actually dig into the a lot harder to actually dig into the sources and find out what happened, sources and find out what happened, sources and find out what happened, especially as I found out when the especially as I found out when the especially as I found out when the secondary sources, what what we call secondary sources, what what we call secondary sources, what what we call secondary sources, historians, what I'm secondary sources, historians, what I'm secondary sources, historians, what I'm a secondary history. So, primary sources a secondary history. So, primary sources a secondary history. So, primary sources are, you know, as close as you can get are, you know, as close as you can get are, you know, as close as you can get to the events. Eyewitnesses hopefully, to the events. Eyewitnesses hopefully, to the events. Eyewitnesses hopefully, maybe not, but whatever is closest to maybe not, but whatever is closest to maybe not, but whatever is closest to it, those are the original primary it, those are the original primary it, those are the original primary sources. Secondary sources is someone sources. Secondary sources is someone sources. Secondary sources is someone like me. I take them supposedly and I like me. I take them supposedly and I like me. I take them supposedly and I write a book, a modern day book, and write a book, a modern day book, and write a book, a modern day book, and that's what you find in Barnes & Noble, that's what you find in Barnes & Noble, that's what you find in Barnes & Noble, right, or wherever, and you read it. right, or wherever, and you read it. right, or wherever, and you read it. Now, when I consulted those books, those Now, when I consulted those books, those Now, when I consulted those books, those history books that were written by the history books that were written by the history books that were written by the professors, professors, professors, >> um, they said what what we're going to >> um, they said what what we're going to >> um, they said what what we're going to talk about, which is, you know, the talk about, which is, you know, the talk about, which is, you know, the crusaders were just evil white racists crusaders were just evil white racists crusaders were just evil white racists and colonialists, right? and colonialists, right? and colonialists, right? >> That's like the whole vibe, my whole >> That's like the whole vibe, my whole >> That's like the whole vibe, my whole me too. Um but because I did consult me too. Um but because I did consult me too. Um but because I did consult especially when I was at the library of especially when I was at the library of especially when I was at the library of congress and I had all this access to congress and I had all this access to congress and I had all this access to books and chronicles and I took a lot of books and chronicles and I took a lot of books and chronicles and I took a lot of time that book sword and scimitar the time that book sword and scimitar the time that book sword and scimitar the first one uh that came out in 2018 even first one uh that came out in 2018 even first one uh that came out in 2018 even though it came out in 2018 much of the though it came out in 2018 much of the though it came out in 2018 much of the research was done during the years when research was done during the years when research was done during the years when I was at the library of congress and had I was at the library of congress and had I was at the library of congress and had really great access which I still do really great access which I still do really great access which I still do anyway. So what I started finding is anyway. So what I started finding is anyway. So what I started finding is that um the real story of Islam and the that um the real story of Islam and the that um the real story of Islam and the west or Christianity is not what we were west or Christianity is not what we were west or Christianity is not what we were told.

told. told. >> Yeah. That's what I figured out real >> Yeah. That's what I figured out real >> Yeah. That's what I figured out real fast reading your book. fast reading your book. fast reading your book. >> Right. You keep going. >> Right. You keep going. >> Right. You keep going. >> Yeah. And that's why I felt like okay I >> Yeah. And that's why I felt like okay I >> Yeah. And that's why I felt like okay I need to I need this. People need to know need to I need this. People need to know need to I need this. People need to know this. Okay. Um because like I said again this. Okay. Um because like I said again this. Okay. Um because like I said again if you understand the historical method if you understand the historical method if you understand the historical method you have primary sources is what it's you have primary sources is what it's you have primary sources is what it's all about. This is what we this is the all about. This is what we this is the all about. This is what we this is the facts as as as good as we can get them. facts as as as good as we can get them. facts as as as good as we can get them. Secondary sources is a synthesis by an Secondary sources is a synthesis by an Secondary sources is a synthesis by an academic and a scholar who supposedly academic and a scholar who supposedly academic and a scholar who supposedly has uh put it together for you so you has uh put it together for you so you has uh put it together for you so you can understand and like I said those can understand and like I said those can understand and like I said those were not only were they not doing it were not only were they not doing it were not only were they not doing it justice they were literally saying the justice they were literally saying the justice they were literally saying the opposite of what had happened. So when I opposite of what had happened. So when I opposite of what had happened. So when I started looking at these chronicles and started looking at these chronicles and started looking at these chronicles and in also in Arabic also you know so all in also in Arabic also you know so all in also in Arabic also you know so all the different languages Muslims and the different languages Muslims and the different languages Muslims and Christians it was a completely different Christians it was a completely different Christians it was a completely different story. It was excuse me. Um, and so story. It was excuse me. Um, and so story. It was excuse me. Um, and so maybe it's best now to tell you uh, you maybe it's best now to tell you uh, you maybe it's best now to tell you uh, you know, like like the beginning of all know, like like the beginning of all know, like like the beginning of all this, the historical beginning. this, the historical beginning. this, the historical beginning. >> So, is this how you got cancelled? >> So, is this how you got cancelled? >> So, is this how you got cancelled? >> Oh, the canceled question. You're right. >> Oh, the canceled question. You're right. >> Oh, the canceled question. You're right. I got cancelled because um when when the I got cancelled because um when when the I got cancelled because um when when the al-Qaeda reader came out, the first book al-Qaeda reader came out, the first book al-Qaeda reader came out, the first book in 2007, I was invited to all the I was in 2007, I was invited to all the I was in 2007, I was invited to all the I was on CNN and NPR, like even the very on CNN and NPR, like even the very on CNN and NPR, like even the very liberal, you know, leftist NPR liberal, you know, leftist NPR liberal, you know, leftist NPR >> uh and PBS and things like that. And >> uh and PBS and things like that. And >> uh and PBS and things like that. And they'd have me on to talk about it, but they'd have me on to talk about it, but they'd have me on to talk about it, but then eventually I started just uh I I then eventually I started just uh I I then eventually I started just uh I I didn't even think of it that like I'm didn't even think of it that like I'm didn't even think of it that like I'm I'm I'm shifting gears. I just was I'm I'm shifting gears. I just was I'm I'm shifting gears. I just was saying the truth, saying the truth, saying the truth, >> you know, in my mind. And it just before >> you know, in my mind. And it just before >> you know, in my mind. And it just before long I was kind of like gone. And then long I was kind of like gone. And then long I was kind of like gone. And then and then social media did some weird and then social media did some weird and then social media did some weird stuff on me where I completely no one stuff on me where I completely no one stuff on me where I completely no one would ever see me and they would be like

would ever see me and they would be like would ever see me and they would be like we don't even you got to a point where I we don't even you got to a point where I we don't even you got to a point where I would Google you know if you if you would Google you know if you if you would Google you know if you if you Google the title of an article it'll Google the title of an article it'll Google the title of an article it'll come up at least mine wouldn't come up at least mine wouldn't come up at least mine wouldn't >> shadowbanned. >> shadowbanned. >> shadowbanned. >> Yeah. Exactly. I was totally >> Yeah. Exactly. I was totally >> Yeah. Exactly. I was totally shadowbanned. shadowbanned. shadowbanned. >> Um and that went on for a while. Um but >> Um and that went on for a while. Um but >> Um and that went on for a while. Um but and that's which was maybe in retrospect and that's which was maybe in retrospect and that's which was maybe in retrospect good because that's when I started good because that's when I started good because that's when I started really focusing on the books really focusing on the books really focusing on the books >> which is what I enjoyed. >> which is what I enjoyed. >> which is what I enjoyed. >> Didn't you get invited to speak at some >> Didn't you get invited to speak at some >> Didn't you get invited to speak at some mil like military thing and then like mil like military thing and then like mil like military thing and then like care or somebody like what was that care or somebody like what was that care or somebody like what was that deal? deal? deal? >> Well sword and scimitar. >> Well sword and scimitar. >> Well sword and scimitar. >> I've been nerding out on your stuff for >> I've been nerding out on your stuff for >> I've been nerding out on your stuff for a couple years. a couple years. a couple years. >> All right. Uh sword and scimitar the the >> All right. Uh sword and scimitar the the >> All right. Uh sword and scimitar the the book we're talking the first book it book we're talking the first book it book we're talking the first book it came out 2018. By 2019 the US Army War came out 2018. By 2019 the US Army War came out 2018. By 2019 the US Army War College someone had read it and they College someone had read it and they College someone had read it and they wanted me to come give a presentation on wanted me to come give a presentation on wanted me to come give a presentation on it. Then care it. Then care it. Then care that that that acronym is so cloying that that that acronym is so cloying that that that acronym is so cloying care like they care. They're really care like they care. They're really care like they care. They're really terrorists terrorists terrorists >> literally because >> literally because >> literally because >> which stands for what? >> which stands for what? >> which stands for what? >> Uh the Council of American Islamic >> Uh the Council of American Islamic >> Uh the Council of American Islamic Relations. Relations. Relations. >> Anyway, it's it's part of the Muslim >> Anyway, it's it's part of the Muslim >> Anyway, it's it's part of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's it's I think here in Brotherhood. It's it's I think here in Brotherhood. It's it's I think here in is in Texas there actually banned now.

is in Texas there actually banned now. is in Texas there actually banned now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because it's part of the Muslim >> Because it's part of the Muslim >> Because it's part of the Muslim Brotherhood and they are terrorist Brotherhood and they are terrorist Brotherhood and they are terrorist organization. organization. organization. >> That's correct. So that group uh with >> That's correct. So that group uh with >> That's correct. So that group uh with some leftist organizations went had a some leftist organizations went had a some leftist organizations went had a hissy fit and sent all called the um the hissy fit and sent all called the um the hissy fit and sent all called the um the top head of the war college saying this top head of the war college saying this top head of the war college saying this guy's me islamophobe if you guys do this guy's me islamophobe if you guys do this guy's me islamophobe if you guys do this you're white supremacist I'm a white you're white supremacist I'm a white you're white supremacist I'm a white suprem it really went hysterical and suprem it really went hysterical and suprem it really went hysterical and they had petitions and uh I forget her they had petitions and uh I forget her they had petitions and uh I forget her name Sars like a lot of a lot of the name Sars like a lot of a lot of the name Sars like a lot of a lot of the famous big mouths were like at it famous big mouths were like at it famous big mouths were like at it >> and lo and behold all of a sudden two >> and lo and behold all of a sudden two >> and lo and behold all of a sudden two days before I was supposed to go to talk days before I was supposed to go to talk days before I was supposed to go to talk in in 2019. They called me up and said, in in 2019. They called me up and said, in in 2019. They called me up and said, "Oh, we're going to postpone it." You "Oh, we're going to postpone it." You "Oh, we're going to postpone it." You know, know, know, >> they pulled you. >> they pulled you. >> they pulled you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They pulled you. >> They pulled you. >> They pulled you. >> Yeah. So, I not want to take it lying >> Yeah. So, I not want to take it lying >> Yeah. So, I not want to take it lying down and made sure everyone knew about down and made sure everyone knew about down and made sure everyone knew about this. this. this. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> all right. I wrote articles about it and >> all right. I wrote articles about it and >> all right. I wrote articles about it and a lot of people picked it up and before a lot of people picked it up and before a lot of people picked it up and before long um like something like 10 long um like something like 10 long um like something like 10 congressional uh congressmen represented congressional uh congressmen represented congressional uh congressmen represented me and sent a letter to Trump and um the me and sent a letter to Trump and um the me and sent a letter to Trump and um the um association of scholars I forget it's um association of scholars I forget it's um association of scholars I forget it's it's like a well-known uh association of it's like a well-known uh association of it's like a well-known uh association of scholars American association of scholars American association of scholars American association of scholars also wrote a long letter and it scholars also wrote a long letter and it scholars also wrote a long letter and it got petitions all from colleges and got petitions all from colleges and got petitions all from colleges and professors it became a big thing and uh professors it became a big thing and uh professors it became a big thing and uh then at before and people were sending then at before and people were sending then at before and people were sending me emails saying We've pulled our me emails saying We've pulled our me emails saying We've pulled our children out of that school because we children out of that school because we children out of that school because we can't believe they would cancel someone can't believe they would cancel someone can't believe they would cancel someone just because he's going to talk about just because he's going to talk about just because he's going to talk about history and they're buckling into history and they're buckling into history and they're buckling into Islamic terrorists and you know the US Islamic terrorists and you know the US Islamic terrorists and you know the US Army War College of all places, right?

Army War College of all places, right? Army War College of all places, right? Not Berkeley. That's right. You know, I Not Berkeley. That's right. You know, I Not Berkeley. That's right. You know, I mean that's different. mean that's different. mean that's different. >> Um so obviously they got ashamed >> Um so obviously they got ashamed >> Um so obviously they got ashamed eventually and they reached out to me eventually and they reached out to me eventually and they reached out to me again and uh I made sure not to respond again and uh I made sure not to respond again and uh I made sure not to respond to them for a couple months to keep the to them for a couple months to keep the to them for a couple months to keep the heat on heat on heat on until they were like begging me and then until they were like begging me and then until they were like begging me and then I said, "Okay, fine." And I said, "Okay, fine." And I said, "Okay, fine." And >> that's hilarious. All right. >> that's hilarious. All right. >> that's hilarious. All right. >> And I went and uh it it was the they >> And I went and uh it it was the they >> And I went and uh it it was the they told me it was their most packed event. told me it was their most packed event. told me it was their most packed event. I think the only one more than mine was I think the only one more than mine was I think the only one more than mine was a Buzz Aldrin event. a Buzz Aldrin event. a Buzz Aldrin event. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> And so to which I say thank you care for >> And so to which I say thank you care for >> And so to which I say thank you care for all the free publicity because everyone all the free publicity because everyone all the free publicity because everyone wanted to know what's this about, right? wanted to know what's this about, right? wanted to know what's this about, right? Um and the only one thing that kind of Um and the only one thing that kind of Um and the only one thing that kind of annoyed me is they it was part of the annoyed me is they it was part of the annoyed me is they it was part of the agreement is it was being videotaped and agreement is it was being videotaped and agreement is it was being videotaped and they would put it on uh on their they would put it on uh on their they would put it on uh on their whatever website and they never did. You whatever website and they never did. You whatever website and they never did. You know why? Because when I did give the know why? Because when I did give the know why? Because when I did give the talk, it was in February of 2020 talk, it was in February of 2020 talk, it was in February of 2020 >> and CO happened >> and CO happened >> and CO happened >> and all of a sudden that became the >> and all of a sudden that became the >> and all of a sudden that became the excuse. We can't we can't you know excuse. We can't we can't you know excuse. We can't we can't you know because of co we can't publish videos because of co we can't publish videos because of co we can't publish videos and and that was it. Okay. and and that was it. Okay. and and that was it. Okay. >> So So that's one of that was one of the >> So So that's one of that was one of the >> So So that's one of that was one of the main cancellations. But it was a main cancellations. But it was a main cancellations. But it was a actually a victory actually me and Car actually a victory actually me and Car actually a victory actually me and Car we have we had two big runins and both we have we had two big runins and both we have we had two big runins and both of them are victories for me. this one.

of them are victories for me. this one. of them are victories for me. this one. And another one was at a Seattlebased And another one was at a Seattlebased And another one was at a Seattlebased college that invited me. college that invited me. college that invited me. >> And all of a sudden, MSNBC, you can >> And all of a sudden, MSNBC, you can >> And all of a sudden, MSNBC, you can still find it online. It's like a a big still find it online. It's like a a big still find it online. It's like a a big spread about Islamophobia with my face. spread about Islamophobia with my face. spread about Islamophobia with my face. And I'm bewildered because I didn't And I'm bewildered because I didn't And I'm bewildered because I didn't because I just walked in to give a talk. because I just walked in to give a talk. because I just walked in to give a talk. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And just to show you that, just to give >> And just to show you that, just to give >> And just to show you that, just to give you an idea and your audience of the you an idea and your audience of the you an idea and your audience of the little tricks they play, I went in, it's little tricks they play, I went in, it's little tricks they play, I went in, it's a Seattlebased college. I it was packed a Seattlebased college. I it was packed a Seattlebased college. I it was packed again because there was a lot of again because there was a lot of again because there was a lot of controversy. And I remember giving the controversy. And I remember giving the controversy. And I remember giving the talk and I mean there were students talk and I mean there were students talk and I mean there were students sitting on the ground because every all sitting on the ground because every all sitting on the ground because every all the chairs were taken right and then the chairs were taken right and then the chairs were taken right and then when you look at the spread I can even when you look at the spread I can even when you look at the spread I can even show it to you uh uh on MSNBC they show show it to you uh uh on MSNBC they show show it to you uh uh on MSNBC they show just one woman in a black burka and just one woman in a black burka and just one woman in a black burka and another Muslim man and then like one another Muslim man and then like one another Muslim man and then like one kind of one kid and like that represents kind of one kid and like that represents kind of one kid and like that represents who came who came who came >> but it was packed >> but it was packed >> but it was packed >> it was packed with regular normal >> it was packed with regular normal >> it was packed with regular normal Americans who were very happy to hear Americans who were very happy to hear Americans who were very happy to hear this this this >> but that's how they publicly >> but that's how they publicly >> but that's how they publicly >> that's the image they wanted to to the >> that's the image they wanted to to the >> that's the image they wanted to to the world. Okay. world. Okay. world. Okay. >> All right. Well, let me let's get into >> All right. Well, let me let's get into >> All right. Well, let me let's get into it. So, I here's where I want to start it. So, I here's where I want to start it. So, I here's where I want to start and you can you can start wherever you and you can you can start wherever you and you can you can start wherever you want to because I've read two of your want to because I've read two of your want to because I've read two of your books and you got a lot you take this.

books and you got a lot you take this. books and you got a lot you take this. So, here's the vibe that I got growing So, here's the vibe that I got growing So, here's the vibe that I got growing up. Public uh public school, mid '90s, up. Public uh public school, mid '90s, up. Public uh public school, mid '90s, and honestly like Kentucky, fairly and honestly like Kentucky, fairly and honestly like Kentucky, fairly conservative state, you know, that kind conservative state, you know, that kind conservative state, you know, that kind of thing, you know. So now I'm not in of thing, you know. So now I'm not in of thing, you know. So now I'm not in like Portland, like Portland, like Portland, >> but the vibe that I always had until I >> but the vibe that I always had until I >> but the vibe that I always had until I read your book was this kind of vibe of read your book was this kind of vibe of read your book was this kind of vibe of like, "Hey man, um yeah, uh you know, uh like, "Hey man, um yeah, uh you know, uh like, "Hey man, um yeah, uh you know, uh the Crusades were really it was just all the Crusades were really it was just all the Crusades were really it was just all racist, genocidal, colonizing racist, genocidal, colonizing racist, genocidal, colonizing Christians." Christians." Christians." >> And kind of how it would get brought up >> And kind of how it would get brought up >> And kind of how it would get brought up particularly is, you know, anytime that particularly is, you know, anytime that particularly is, you know, anytime that there was, you know, any type form of there was, you know, any type form of there was, you know, any type form of Muslim violence, it' be like, "Oh, okay. Muslim violence, it' be like, "Oh, okay. Muslim violence, it' be like, "Oh, okay. Yeah, there are some." But Christians Yeah, there are some." But Christians Yeah, there are some." But Christians can be just as violent, too. Of course, can be just as violent, too. Of course, can be just as violent, too. Of course, because the racist, genocidal, because the racist, genocidal, because the racist, genocidal, colonizing Christians did these colonizing Christians did these colonizing Christians did these unprovoked attacks called the Crusades. unprovoked attacks called the Crusades. unprovoked attacks called the Crusades. How evil. Uh, that's the vibe I always How evil. Uh, that's the vibe I always How evil. Uh, that's the vibe I always got. Uh, I'm going to set you up with got. Uh, I'm going to set you up with got. Uh, I'm going to set you up with uh, a quote that I have heard you uh, a quote that I have heard you uh, a quote that I have heard you mention before from a guy named John mention before from a guy named John mention before from a guy named John Espazito, Espazito, Espazito, Georgetown University. Georgetown University. Georgetown University. >> So, this is a professor, Georgetown >> So, this is a professor, Georgetown >> So, this is a professor, Georgetown University. This is the vibe I always University. This is the vibe I always University. This is the vibe I always got. It's like, here's his quote.

got. It's like, here's his quote. got. It's like, here's his quote. Five centuries of peaceful coexistence Five centuries of peaceful coexistence Five centuries of peaceful coexistence elapsed before political events and an elapsed before political events and an elapsed before political events and an imperial papal power play led to imperial papal power play led to imperial papal power play led to centuries long series of so-called holy centuries long series of so-called holy centuries long series of so-called holy wars that pitted Christendom against wars that pitted Christendom against wars that pitted Christendom against Islam and left an enduring legacy of Islam and left an enduring legacy of Islam and left an enduring legacy of misunderstanding and distrust from misunderstanding and distrust from misunderstanding and distrust from Muslims. Muslims. Muslims. Raymond Ibrahim, what say you? That is Raymond Ibrahim, what say you? That is Raymond Ibrahim, what say you? That is such a paradmatic and excellent quote such a paradmatic and excellent quote such a paradmatic and excellent quote because it's really you you're really because it's really you you're really because it's really you you're really you're really setting up the question in you're really setting up the question in you're really setting up the question in a perfect way because I'm now going to a perfect way because I'm now going to a perfect way because I'm now going to happily dismantle it all for you and happily dismantle it all for you and happily dismantle it all for you and rebuild it. So what he just said there rebuild it. So what he just said there rebuild it. So what he just said there is five centuries of peaceful is five centuries of peaceful is five centuries of peaceful coexistence elapsed between Muslims and coexistence elapsed between Muslims and coexistence elapsed between Muslims and Christians before the Crusades left a Christians before the Crusades left a Christians before the Crusades left a misunderstanding and bitterness from misunderstanding and bitterness from misunderstanding and bitterness from Muslims. All right. So what's five Muslims. All right. So what's five Muslims. All right. So what's five centuries? He's talking about from the centuries? He's talking about from the centuries? He's talking about from the dawn of Islam which is the official dawn of Islam which is the official dawn of Islam which is the official date. I mean, Muhammad's born in 570, date. I mean, Muhammad's born in 570, date. I mean, Muhammad's born in 570, but the official date is 622 but the official date is 622 but the official date is 622 to 1095. That's the first crusade. So, to 1095. That's the first crusade. So, to 1095. That's the first crusade. So, he's, you know, he's estimating five he's, you know, he's estimating five he's, you know, he's estimating five centuries. All that time is peaceful centuries. All that time is peaceful centuries. All that time is peaceful coexistence, right? That's what he says.

coexistence, right? That's what he says. coexistence, right? That's what he says. >> Yes, of course. So, now let's see what >> Yes, of course. So, now let's see what >> Yes, of course. So, now let's see what really did happen. Okay. Um, once Okay, really did happen. Okay. Um, once Okay, really did happen. Okay. Um, once Okay, I'll I'll give you the the the sort of I'll I'll give you the the the sort of I'll I'll give you the the the sort of digest version because sword and digest version because sword and digest version because sword and scimitar is the story of what happened scimitar is the story of what happened scimitar is the story of what happened and it's over 300 pages. and it's over 300 pages. and it's over 300 pages. >> You do whatever you want. >> You do whatever you want. >> You do whatever you want. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Muhammad dies, >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Muhammad dies, >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Muhammad dies, jihad is declared um on all the jihad is declared um on all the jihad is declared um on all the non-Muslims around Arabia, okay? After non-Muslims around Arabia, okay? After non-Muslims around Arabia, okay? After they've been consolidated, there's these they've been consolidated, there's these they've been consolidated, there's these Ridda wars where the you know some Ridda wars where the you know some Ridda wars where the you know some people want to apostasize. Anyway, they people want to apostasize. Anyway, they people want to apostasize. Anyway, they all become collectively the Islamic um all become collectively the Islamic um all become collectively the Islamic um they're localized. They're in Arabia. they're localized. They're in Arabia. they're localized. They're in Arabia. They're Arabs as Muhammad was. And um at They're Arabs as Muhammad was. And um at They're Arabs as Muhammad was. And um at that point, and what I'm telling you now that point, and what I'm telling you now that point, and what I'm telling you now is the Islamic historioggraphy. So this is the Islamic historioggraphy. So this is the Islamic historioggraphy. So this is what is Muslim history teaches, is what is Muslim history teaches, is what is Muslim history teaches, right? And a lot of Westerners just kind right? And a lot of Westerners just kind right? And a lot of Westerners just kind of like poo poo it and oh no that's it's of like poo poo it and oh no that's it's of like poo poo it and oh no that's it's heographical meaning it's it's made up heographical meaning it's it's made up heographical meaning it's it's made up it's embellished. It wasn't really like it's embellished. It wasn't really like it's embellished. It wasn't really like that but okay this is what the Muslim that but okay this is what the Muslim that but okay this is what the Muslim histories say. Then they declare jihad histories say. Then they declare jihad histories say. Then they declare jihad and they sent letters for example to and they sent letters for example to and they sent letters for example to various king kingdoms saying you we're various king kingdoms saying you we're various king kingdoms saying you we're giving you three choices. The famous giving you three choices. The famous giving you three choices. The famous Islamic choices which is convert become Islamic choices which is convert become Islamic choices which is convert become one of one with us become equal. Uh if one of one with us become equal. Uh if one of one with us become equal. Uh if you're if you're a person of the book as you're if you're a person of the book as you're if you're a person of the book as they're called, which is a a Jew or or a they're called, which is a a Jew or or a they're called, which is a a Jew or or a Christian, um pay Jiza and live in Christian, um pay Jiza and live in Christian, um pay Jiza and live in tribute. That mean Jiza is a word that tribute. That mean Jiza is a word that tribute. That mean Jiza is a word that is connected to the idea of like a is connected to the idea of like a is connected to the idea of like a substitution, which means I'm buying my substitution, which means I'm buying my substitution, which means I'm buying my life by paying you. Okay. Because they life by paying you. Okay. Because they life by paying you. Okay. Because they like to translate as a pole tax, which like to translate as a pole tax, which like to translate as a pole tax, which is to me kind of euphemistic.

is to me kind of euphemistic. is to me kind of euphemistic. >> That's how I've always heard it. >> That's how I've always heard it. >> That's how I've always heard it. >> Yeah. It's it's to me more like, you >> Yeah. It's it's to me more like, you >> Yeah. It's it's to me more like, you know, you're you're being extorted or know, you're you're being extorted or know, you're you're being extorted or else you can get killed or be enslaved else you can get killed or be enslaved else you can get killed or be enslaved immediately. So they could have that immediately. So they could have that immediately. So they could have that option and maintain their religion but option and maintain their religion but option and maintain their religion but also it's not equality or anything like also it's not equality or anything like also it's not equality or anything like that. You maintain your Christian or that. You maintain your Christian or that. You maintain your Christian or Jewish identity but you are openly Jewish identity but you are openly Jewish identity but you are openly treated as a at best secondass citizen. treated as a at best secondass citizen. treated as a at best secondass citizen. Okay, you have no rights compared to a Okay, you have no rights compared to a Okay, you have no rights compared to a Muslim and you have to embrace that or Muslim and you have to embrace that or Muslim and you have to embrace that or you fight to the death. So those were you fight to the death. So those were you fight to the death. So those were the three options. Islamic the three options. Islamic the three options. Islamic historioggraphy is full of that. Okay. historioggraphy is full of that. Okay. historioggraphy is full of that. Okay. Now when we look at the world um or at Now when we look at the world um or at Now when we look at the world um or at least the old world what we're talking least the old world what we're talking least the old world what we're talking about at this time in the 7th century about at this time in the 7th century about at this time in the 7th century right when Islam is about to erupt out right when Islam is about to erupt out right when Islam is about to erupt out of Arabia it's we're looking primarily of Arabia it's we're looking primarily of Arabia it's we're looking primarily at the Christian world because North at the Christian world because North at the Christian world because North Africa and what we today call the Middle Africa and what we today call the Middle Africa and what we today call the Middle East at that time was it was mostly East at that time was it was mostly East at that time was it was mostly known as greater Syria but it known as greater Syria but it known as greater Syria but it encompassed all the countries that we encompassed all the countries that we encompassed all the countries that we know modern day Israel Lebanon Jordan uh know modern day Israel Lebanon Jordan uh know modern day Israel Lebanon Jordan uh Iraq um and the Asia Minor what we call Iraq um and the Asia Minor what we call Iraq um and the Asia Minor what we call Turkey all of that Turkey all of that Turkey all of that >> I just want interject.

>> I just want interject. >> I just want interject. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> A lot of Christians don't know what >> A lot of Christians don't know what >> A lot of Christians don't know what you're about to say. you're about to say. you're about to say. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> So, like I I I did a uh like a uh I >> So, like I I I did a uh like a uh I >> So, like I I I did a uh like a uh I visited all the seven churches mentioned visited all the seven churches mentioned visited all the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation last year, in the book of Revelation last year, in the book of Revelation last year, >> and honestly, I I felt like an idiot. I >> and honestly, I I felt like an idiot. I >> and honestly, I I felt like an idiot. I did not realize until that trip, they're did not realize until that trip, they're did not realize until that trip, they're all in Turkey. all in Turkey. all in Turkey. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like the center of Christianity >> So, it's like the center of Christianity >> So, it's like the center of Christianity when when the Apostle John writes the when when the Apostle John writes the when when the Apostle John writes the book of Revelation, the center of book of Revelation, the center of book of Revelation, the center of Christianity. Christianity. Christianity. >> I really should unpack what this because >> I really should unpack what this because >> I really should unpack what this because this is an important point. I'm glad you this is an important point. I'm glad you this is an important point. I'm glad you you kind of like stopped me there you kind of like stopped me there you kind of like stopped me there because if you go to okay again you know because if you go to okay again you know because if you go to okay again you know one with the idea that you had which is one with the idea that you had which is one with the idea that you had which is you know the crusaders are evil you know the crusaders are evil you know the crusaders are evil Christian white racists the other idea Christian white racists the other idea Christian white racists the other idea is that Christianity is like this is that Christianity is like this is that Christianity is like this European thing. Yeah maybe we know Jesus European thing. Yeah maybe we know Jesus European thing. Yeah maybe we know Jesus comes from the Middle East and he's comes from the Middle East and he's comes from the Middle East and he's Jewish but you know it's it's a European Jewish but you know it's it's a European Jewish but you know it's it's a European thing. All right. So in this in fact thing. All right. So in this in fact thing. All right. So in this in fact when when the time we're talking about when when the time we're talking about when when the time we're talking about where Islam is being born Christianity where Islam is being born Christianity where Islam is being born Christianity the heart of it is in North Africa. It's the heart of it is in North Africa. It's the heart of it is in North Africa. It's in what we today call the Arab world. in what we today call the Arab world. in what we today call the Arab world. It's Egypt. Okay. It's in uh greater It's Egypt. Okay. It's in uh greater It's Egypt. Okay. It's in uh greater Syria. Uh it's in Asia Minor, Turkey, as Syria. Uh it's in Asia Minor, Turkey, as Syria. Uh it's in Asia Minor, Turkey, as you said. I mean, look at the all the you said. I mean, look at the all the you said. I mean, look at the all the letter letters in in the book of letter letters in in the book of letter letters in in the book of Revelation. It's in Asia Minor. It's in Revelation. It's in Asia Minor. It's in Revelation. It's in Asia Minor. It's in North Africa. St. Augustine, this great North Africa. St. Augustine, this great North Africa. St. Augustine, this great luminary theologian. He's from Algeria.

luminary theologian. He's from Algeria. luminary theologian. He's from Algeria. He's a Berber. Uh the Coptic Christians, He's a Berber. Uh the Coptic Christians, He's a Berber. Uh the Coptic Christians, for example, one of the oldest churches, for example, one of the oldest churches, for example, one of the oldest churches, the Armenians, right? These are the the Armenians, right? These are the the Armenians, right? These are the oldest, the Assyrians, Aramaic speakers. oldest, the Assyrians, Aramaic speakers. oldest, the Assyrians, Aramaic speakers. So if you looked before the Islamic So if you looked before the Islamic So if you looked before the Islamic phenomena arose and you looked at the phenomena arose and you looked at the phenomena arose and you looked at the Christian world, most of it was in North Christian world, most of it was in North Christian world, most of it was in North Africa and in the Middle East and Europe Africa and in the Middle East and Europe Africa and in the Middle East and Europe was actually the secondary part. It was was actually the secondary part. It was was actually the secondary part. It was the lesser part. In fact, Constantine the lesser part. In fact, Constantine the lesser part. In fact, Constantine the Great, the emperor who became the Great, the emperor who became the Great, the emperor who became Christian because everything was in the Christian because everything was in the Christian because everything was in the east moved the capital to the east to east moved the capital to the east to east moved the capital to the east to Asia Minor. Uh Constantinople which Asia Minor. Uh Constantinople which Asia Minor. Uh Constantinople which today is Stumble of course is in Asia today is Stumble of course is in Asia today is Stumble of course is in Asia Minor. Um because that's where Minor. Um because that's where Minor. Um because that's where everything was. all the learning, all everything was. all the learning, all everything was. all the learning, all the theology was in was Greek speakers the theology was in was Greek speakers the theology was in was Greek speakers uh and a little bit Latin later. Uh so uh and a little bit Latin later. Uh so uh and a little bit Latin later. Uh so it's ironic when you talk about today if it's ironic when you talk about today if it's ironic when you talk about today if you mention something like Egypt or you mention something like Egypt or you mention something like Egypt or Syria, it's it's people just assume it Syria, it's it's people just assume it Syria, it's it's people just assume it was kind of like always Islamic and it was kind of like always Islamic and it was kind of like always Islamic and it wasn't. It was actually part of the wasn't. It was actually part of the wasn't. It was actually part of the Hellenistic world. They were Greek Hellenistic world. They were Greek Hellenistic world. They were Greek speakers, you know what I mean? And uh speakers, you know what I mean? And uh speakers, you know what I mean? And uh or Latin speakers and uh that that was or Latin speakers and uh that that was or Latin speakers and uh that that was it. So when Islam came, this was a it. So when Islam came, this was a it. So when Islam came, this was a cataclysmic event. It conquered and cataclysmic event. It conquered and cataclysmic event. It conquered and swallowed up literally at that time swallowed up literally at that time swallowed up literally at that time twothirds of the Christian world.

twothirds of the Christian world. twothirds of the Christian world. >> This is the time when that professor is >> This is the time when that professor is >> This is the time when that professor is saying it was peaceful coexistence. saying it was peaceful coexistence. saying it was peaceful coexistence. Those five centuries was non-stop Those five centuries was non-stop Those five centuries was non-stop conquest, annexation and atrocities that conquest, annexation and atrocities that conquest, annexation and atrocities that make Islamic State look like child's make Islamic State look like child's make Islamic State look like child's play. All right. play. All right. play. All right. >> What's the postage stamp? Like I know >> What's the postage stamp? Like I know >> What's the postage stamp? Like I know this is not fair to ask a guy like you, this is not fair to ask a guy like you, this is not fair to ask a guy like you, but like if you postage stamp overview but like if you postage stamp overview but like if you postage stamp overview here's what happened in those five here's what happened in those five here's what happened in those five centuries. like what's the centuries. like what's the centuries. like what's the >> basically just conquest uh abduction >> basically just conquest uh abduction >> basically just conquest uh abduction enslavement enslavement enslavement harams you know sex slavery this is a harams you know sex slavery this is a harams you know sex slavery this is a Quranic principle Muhammad engaged in it Quranic principle Muhammad engaged in it Quranic principle Muhammad engaged in it uh you you're probably familiar with uh you you're probably familiar with uh you you're probably familiar with what's happening in in Britain you know what's happening in in Britain you know what's happening in in Britain you know this gang rape and a report came out this gang rape and a report came out this gang rape and a report came out about a quarter million girls that were about a quarter million girls that were about a quarter million girls that were systematically groomed as they used to systematically groomed as they used to systematically groomed as they used to call it that is to say sexually raped call it that is to say sexually raped call it that is to say sexually raped and um exploited in really disgusting and um exploited in really disgusting and um exploited in really disgusting ways that sort of thing goes all the way ways that sort of thing goes all the way ways that sort of thing goes all the way back to Muhammad I mean honestly back to Muhammad I mean honestly back to Muhammad I mean honestly Muhammad himself there's a hadith a Muhammad himself there's a hadith a Muhammad himself there's a hadith a hadith is a you know where uh it's a hadith is a you know where uh it's a hadith is a you know where uh it's a recorded saying of Muhammad it's recorded saying of Muhammad it's recorded saying of Muhammad it's secondary to the Quran where he tries to secondary to the Quran where he tries to secondary to the Quran where he tries to entice his followers to go war on what entice his followers to go war on what entice his followers to go war on what we call the Byzantine Empire the Eastern we call the Byzantine Empire the Eastern we call the Byzantine Empire the Eastern Roman Empire Europeans and he says don't Roman Empire Europeans and he says don't Roman Empire Europeans and he says don't you want the women of yellow you want the women of yellow you want the women of yellow >> and that's his language >> and that's his language >> and that's his language >> yeah well well in translation he says >> yeah well well in translation he says >> yeah well well in translation he says the women of yellow and linguists try to the women of yellow and linguists try to the women of yellow and linguists try to figure it out but the best explanation figure it out but the best explanation figure it out but the best explanation is he means fair skin fair-haired women is he means fair skin fair-haired women is he means fair skin fair-haired women Europeans Europeans Europeans Yeah. And that's a motif that actually Yeah. And that's a motif that actually Yeah. And that's a motif that actually just repeats itself all throughout just repeats itself all throughout just repeats itself all throughout history.

history. history. >> People don't know the entire Viking >> People don't know the entire Viking >> People don't know the entire Viking phenomena was almost came into being phenomena was almost came into being phenomena was almost came into being because the Abbassad caliphate wanted because the Abbassad caliphate wanted because the Abbassad caliphate wanted white slaves. white slaves. white slaves. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Click on that real quick. >> Click on that real quick. >> Click on that real quick. >> Okay. So the Vikings, which we know, >> Okay. So the Vikings, which we know, >> Okay. So the Vikings, which we know, right, who would raid and plunder the right, who would raid and plunder the right, who would raid and plunder the European coastline, England, um, France, European coastline, England, um, France, European coastline, England, um, France, everywhere, a lot of it was to get everywhere, a lot of it was to get everywhere, a lot of it was to get slaves, white slaves, and sell it to the slaves, white slaves, and sell it to the slaves, white slaves, and sell it to the Arabs because they would pay top dollar Arabs because they would pay top dollar Arabs because they would pay top dollar for it. And one of the ways we know this for it. And one of the ways we know this for it. And one of the ways we know this is when you find all these Viking is when you find all these Viking is when you find all these Viking treasure troves are full of a bassid treasure troves are full of a bassid treasure troves are full of a bassid golden coins, what are they getting from golden coins, what are they getting from golden coins, what are they getting from them? It was primarily slaves. And we do them? It was primarily slaves. And we do them? It was primarily slaves. And we do know that there was a premium on know that there was a premium on know that there was a premium on European slaves, especially women. Okay. European slaves, especially women. Okay. European slaves, especially women. Okay. So that that kind of thing goes on So that that kind of thing goes on So that that kind of thing goes on habitually. Um this uh uh but but before habitually. Um this uh uh but but before habitually. Um this uh uh but but before we finish the you know the Christian we finish the you know the Christian we finish the you know the Christian aspect of uh the Middle East and North aspect of uh the Middle East and North aspect of uh the Middle East and North Africa. So this was really one century Africa. So this was really one century Africa. So this was really one century Muhammad died 7 632 Muhammad died 7 632 Muhammad died 7 632 732 one century Muslims have conquered 732 one century Muslims have conquered 732 one century Muslims have conquered that entire area and now are in the that entire area and now are in the that entire area and now are in the middle of France fighting at the battle middle of France fighting at the battle middle of France fighting at the battle of Tours.

of Tours. of Tours. >> Charles Martell one century. All right. >> Charles Martell one century. All right. >> Charles Martell one century. All right. Look at So they've conquered that Look at So they've conquered that Look at So they've conquered that ancient original, richer, more ancient original, richer, more ancient original, richer, more sophisticated, more developed part of sophisticated, more developed part of sophisticated, more developed part of Christendom Christendom Christendom >> violently and savagely. Uh you were >> violently and savagely. Uh you were >> violently and savagely. Uh you were asking me all the things they did, asking me all the things they did, asking me all the things they did, massacres, mass enslavement, systematic massacres, mass enslavement, systematic massacres, mass enslavement, systematic destruction of churches, turning them destruction of churches, turning them destruction of churches, turning them into mosques later on, especially the into mosques later on, especially the into mosques later on, especially the nicer ones nicer ones nicer ones >> and the enslavement and so forth. >> and the enslavement and so forth. >> and the enslavement and so forth. >> And then this goes into Spain. Okay, so >> And then this goes into Spain. Okay, so >> And then this goes into Spain. Okay, so now they're in Europe. Same thing. Uh now they're in Europe. Same thing. Uh now they're in Europe. Same thing. Uh and it's 7-Eleven, Spain gets conquered. and it's 7-Eleven, Spain gets conquered. and it's 7-Eleven, Spain gets conquered. And then 7:32 now they're tours. Okay. And then 7:32 now they're tours. Okay. And then 7:32 now they're tours. Okay. >> All right. That's the first of John >> All right. That's the first of John >> All right. That's the first of John Espazito's uh five peaceful coexistence Espazito's uh five peaceful coexistence Espazito's uh five peaceful coexistence centuries. centuries. centuries. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> So then like what so then like what >> So then like what so then like what >> So then like what so then like what precipitates the crusades. precipitates the crusades. precipitates the crusades. >> Okay. So and and we'll get to that. But >> Okay. So and and we'll get to that. But >> Okay. So and and we'll get to that. But and just so the John Espazito quote is a and just so the John Espazito quote is a and just so the John Espazito quote is a perfect example of what I mean by um you perfect example of what I mean by um you perfect example of what I mean by um you see how the the secondary history he's a see how the the secondary history he's a see how the the secondary history he's a secondary historical source. Look at how secondary historical source. Look at how secondary historical source. Look at how he presented it in the exact opposite of he presented it in the exact opposite of he presented it in the exact opposite of reality. Okay. That, oh, everything was reality. Okay. That, oh, everything was reality. Okay. That, oh, everything was fine. Muslims and Christians were fine. Muslims and Christians were fine. Muslims and Christians were getting along. Not that Muslims were getting along. Not that Muslims were getting along. Not that Muslims were conquering and annexing and destroying conquering and annexing and destroying conquering and annexing and destroying Christian territories. Everything was Christian territories. Everything was Christian territories. Everything was fine until those crusaders dare do fine until those crusaders dare do fine until those crusaders dare do something, right? Um, something, right? Um, something, right? Um, >> not just him again. Like that's the >> not just him again. Like that's the >> not just him again. Like that's the whole vibe I got.

whole vibe I got. whole vibe I got. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's everyone. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's everyone. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's everyone. >> But that's what I mean. Like this is why >> But that's what I mean. Like this is why >> But that's what I mean. Like this is why it's it's really a travesty when you it's it's really a travesty when you it's it's really a travesty when you look at these history books that you can look at these history books that you can look at these history books that you can go and buy and the more popular the book go and buy and the more popular the book go and buy and the more popular the book is, I'm sorry to say, often times the is, I'm sorry to say, often times the is, I'm sorry to say, often times the worse it is. It's like that. John worse it is. It's like that. John worse it is. It's like that. John Espazito was a really famous professor Espazito was a really famous professor Espazito was a really famous professor at Georgetown and he was to the point at Georgetown and he was to the point at Georgetown and he was to the point that he was the editor and chief of the that he was the editor and chief of the that he was the editor and chief of the Oxford history of Islam. Oxford history of Islam. Oxford history of Islam. >> Geez. >> Geez. >> Geez. >> Now you that's the mentality that is in >> Now you that's the mentality that is in >> Now you that's the mentality that is in charge of that really prestigious uh charge of that really prestigious uh charge of that really prestigious uh encyclopedia. Oxford encyclopedia. Okay. encyclopedia. Oxford encyclopedia. Okay. encyclopedia. Oxford encyclopedia. Okay. So, it's like it's not, you know, So, it's like it's not, you know, So, it's like it's not, you know, sometimes it's not fair to ask somebody sometimes it's not fair to ask somebody sometimes it's not fair to ask somebody about like to to guess motive, but like about like to to guess motive, but like about like to to guess motive, but like let me like let me I this is curious to let me like let me I this is curious to let me like let me I this is curious to me. Like when I'm reading your stuff, I me. Like when I'm reading your stuff, I me. Like when I'm reading your stuff, I start two years ago. I'm reading your start two years ago. I'm reading your start two years ago. I'm reading your stuff and I'm like, dude, this is it's stuff and I'm like, dude, this is it's stuff and I'm like, dude, this is it's like unplugging from the Matrix. I'm like unplugging from the Matrix. I'm like unplugging from the Matrix. I'm like, this is literally the opposite of like, this is literally the opposite of like, this is literally the opposite of like everything, all the vibes that I like everything, all the vibes that I like everything, all the vibes that I got. got. got. >> And then, you know, I read more and the >> And then, you know, I read more and the >> And then, you know, I read more and the more I'm realizing like, oh, this is more I'm realizing like, oh, this is more I'm realizing like, oh, this is this is legit, you know, this is legit, you know, this is legit, you know, >> and it's ubiquitous. It's it's it's the >> and it's ubiquitous. It's it's it's the >> and it's ubiquitous. It's it's it's the air it's the air you breathe, right?

air it's the air you breathe, right? air it's the air you breathe, right? every that's the slant. Why do you think every that's the slant. Why do you think every that's the slant. Why do you think that is? that is? that is? >> All right. Um I actually don't think I >> All right. Um I actually don't think I >> All right. Um I actually don't think I mean and your question is sort of mean and your question is sort of mean and your question is sort of touching on which makes sense and it touching on which makes sense and it touching on which makes sense and it could be and it probably is in select could be and it probably is in select could be and it probably is in select cases but that these people are cases but that these people are cases but that these people are intentionally lying for whatever reason intentionally lying for whatever reason intentionally lying for whatever reason they're getting paid right or so I think they're getting paid right or so I think they're getting paid right or so I think of course there is some truth to that of course there is some truth to that of course there is some truth to that but I what what really happens is the but I what what really happens is the but I what what really happens is the lie gets created and it just snowballs lie gets created and it just snowballs lie gets created and it just snowballs and everyone goes with the lie because and everyone goes with the lie because and everyone goes with the lie because they accept it as the truth. Okay. So they accept it as the truth. Okay. So they accept it as the truth. Okay. So what I did is most historians or or what I did is most historians or or what I did is most historians or or would be historians, they get all their would be historians, they get all their would be historians, they get all their knowledge from the secondary histories. knowledge from the secondary histories. knowledge from the secondary histories. So they'll go and get, you know, oh So they'll go and get, you know, oh So they'll go and get, you know, oh there's a topic I want to uh read about there's a topic I want to uh read about there's a topic I want to uh read about or study. They'll get maybe 10 books of or study. They'll get maybe 10 books of or study. They'll get maybe 10 books of John Espazito and Karen Armstrong and John Espazito and Karen Armstrong and John Espazito and Karen Armstrong and all the well-known names who have, you all the well-known names who have, you all the well-known names who have, you know, PhDs and come from the Ivy League know, PhDs and come from the Ivy League know, PhDs and come from the Ivy League and they've published bestselling books and they've published bestselling books and they've published bestselling books about whatever something Islamic. about whatever something Islamic. about whatever something Islamic. They'll read those books and then that's They'll read those books and then that's They'll read those books and then that's all they'll know. So of course they all they'll know. So of course they all they'll know. So of course they don't know they're lying and their don't know they're lying and their don't know they're lying and their colleagues read the same books and it be colleagues read the same books and it be colleagues read the same books and it be so it becomes like a little ecosystem. so it becomes like a little ecosystem. so it becomes like a little ecosystem. We all agree to it until someone like me We all agree to it until someone like me We all agree to it until someone like me comes and says well let me see what the comes and says well let me see what the comes and says well let me see what the original guys had to say original guys had to say original guys had to say >> the guys that were there and you find >> the guys that were there and you find >> the guys that were there and you find out oh they're saying something way out oh they're saying something way out oh they're saying something way different they're not saying what and different they're not saying what and different they're not saying what and the Muslims validate them. So even you the Muslims validate them. So even you the Muslims validate them. So even you know the Muslims and the Christians are know the Muslims and the Christians are know the Muslims and the Christians are enemies at this time but they both their enemies at this time but they both their enemies at this time but they both their records validate what they're you know records validate what they're you know records validate what they're you know they're in agreement about what's they're in agreement about what's they're in agreement about what's happening you know. So you don't even happening you know. So you don't even happening you know. So you don't even like you would say man I'm not even sure like you would say man I'm not even sure like you would say man I'm not even sure there is a motive you like no there's there is a motive you like no there's there is a motive you like no there's not maybe not not maybe not not maybe not >> no I believe there I actually I'm I mean >> no I believe there I actually I'm I mean >> no I believe there I actually I'm I mean I'm I'm a firm believer there is a

I'm I'm a firm believer there is a I'm I'm a firm believer there is a motives and there are you know guiding motives and there are you know guiding motives and there are you know guiding intelligences behind lots of what we're intelligences behind lots of what we're intelligences behind lots of what we're discussing. I'm just saying they're discussing. I'm just saying they're discussing. I'm just saying they're usually you know at the very top and usually you know at the very top and usually you know at the very top and then it just trickle then it becomes it then it just trickle then it becomes it then it just trickle then it becomes it snowballs and takes a life of its own snowballs and takes a life of its own snowballs and takes a life of its own and everyone just agrees to it. Not and and everyone just agrees to it. Not and and everyone just agrees to it. Not and this isn't just what we're talking this isn't just what we're talking this isn't just what we're talking about. We're talking about books, but I about. We're talking about books, but I about. We're talking about books, but I think everything like the like in the think everything like the like in the think everything like the like in the news, the you know the the things that news, the you know the the things that news, the you know the the things that we talk about how the left thinks. Okay, we talk about how the left thinks. Okay, we talk about how the left thinks. Okay, I'm I I have no doubt that the left is I'm I I have no doubt that the left is I'm I I have no doubt that the left is an engineered construct because it's an engineered construct because it's an engineered construct because it's insane. But most of the people who think insane. But most of the people who think insane. But most of the people who think that way are they believe it, you know, that way are they believe it, you know, that way are they believe it, you know, they they're they're sheep. Okay. But I they they're they're sheep. Okay. But I they they're they're sheep. Okay. But I do believe behind them are people do believe behind them are people do believe behind them are people exploiting them and putting these exploiting them and putting these exploiting them and putting these thoughts into their heads. So thoughts into their heads. So thoughts into their heads. So >> do you like I mean do you mind me ask >> do you like I mean do you mind me ask >> do you like I mean do you mind me ask what you think even so the people who what you think even so the people who what you think even so the people who create the lies? What do you what's your create the lies? What do you what's your create the lies? What do you what's your best guess on motive on that? Why does best guess on motive on that? Why does best guess on motive on that? Why does it it it >> control you know control? Uh for >> control you know control? Uh for >> control you know control? Uh for example, when I see uh you know in the example, when I see uh you know in the example, when I see uh you know in the west this okay there's this you know west this okay there's this you know west this okay there's this you know like like like relentless assault uh on boys and girls relentless assault uh on boys and girls relentless assault uh on boys and girls but to convince them you're not a boy but to convince them you're not a boy but to convince them you're not a boy you're not a boy, you're really a girl, you're not a boy, you're really a girl, you're not a boy, you're really a girl, right? A complete emasculation. Let's right? A complete emasculation. Let's right? A complete emasculation. Let's just talk about boys for now. But same just talk about boys for now. But same just talk about boys for now. But same thing with girls, okay? You're just thing with girls, okay? You're just thing with girls, okay? You're just taught, you know, don't know that's taught, you know, don't know that's taught, you know, don't know that's toxic masculinity. And parents are toxic masculinity. And parents are toxic masculinity. And parents are taught, oh, I I want to make sure my son taught, oh, I I want to make sure my son taught, oh, I I want to make sure my son has the opportunity if he wants to play has the opportunity if he wants to play has the opportunity if he wants to play with a girl, a doll or, you know, wear a with a girl, a doll or, you know, wear a with a girl, a doll or, you know, wear a pink dress. Okay, that thing to me, this pink dress. Okay, that thing to me, this pink dress. Okay, that thing to me, this is not organic. This is you want to is not organic. This is you want to is not organic. This is you want to control society. The first thing you control society. The first thing you control society. The first thing you want to do is emasculate the men. Well, want to do is emasculate the men. Well, want to do is emasculate the men. Well, who would you write if you want to

who would you write if you want to who would you write if you want to control a group? Who's who do you think control a group? Who's who do you think control a group? Who's who do you think would be harder to control? 10 guys that would be harder to control? 10 guys that would be harder to control? 10 guys that think they're women think they're women think they're women >> or 10 of you and me? >> or 10 of you and me? >> or 10 of you and me? >> Yeah, probably you and me. >> Yeah, probably you and me. >> Yeah, probably you and me. >> Yeah. Right. Okay. So, I do believe like >> Yeah. Right. Okay. So, I do believe like >> Yeah. Right. Okay. So, I do believe like that is why we see all this sexual that is why we see all this sexual that is why we see all this sexual confusion and all this, you know, confusion and all this, you know, confusion and all this, you know, literally emasculation because it's such literally emasculation because it's such literally emasculation because it's such an easy way to control people. If if if an easy way to control people. If if if an easy way to control people. If if if my day is busy my day is busy my day is busy >> thinking about, you know, what pronoun >> thinking about, you know, what pronoun >> thinking about, you know, what pronoun I'm going to be identified by, yeah, I'm I'm going to be identified by, yeah, I'm I'm going to be identified by, yeah, I'm a fool and you can do you can control me a fool and you can do you can control me a fool and you can do you can control me and manipulate me any way you want, and manipulate me any way you want, and manipulate me any way you want, right? So, that's why I mean, I do right? So, that's why I mean, I do right? So, that's why I mean, I do believe there's motives. I do believe a believe there's motives. I do believe a believe there's motives. I do believe a lot of it is engineered and I do believe lot of it is engineered and I do believe lot of it is engineered and I do believe a lot of it is ultimately for control. a lot of it is ultimately for control. a lot of it is ultimately for control. And you as a pastor, I think you'll And you as a pastor, I think you'll And you as a pastor, I think you'll appreciate this. I do believe it's appreciate this. I do believe it's appreciate this. I do believe it's ultimately diabolical and part of the ultimately diabolical and part of the ultimately diabolical and part of the cosmic war between good and evil. cosmic war between good and evil. cosmic war between good and evil. >> I do think that. I do think that. Okay, >> I do think that. I do think that. Okay, >> I do think that. I do think that. Okay, let me I want to show you something and let me I want to show you something and let me I want to show you something and just see like I I want you to to to just see like I I want you to to to just see like I I want you to to to react to something because what I've react to something because what I've react to something because what I've noticed is like a lot of these vibes noticed is like a lot of these vibes noticed is like a lot of these vibes that that just it it seems like you know that that just it it seems like you know that that just it it seems like you know so my theory on some of this is is that so my theory on some of this is is that so my theory on some of this is is that the strategy is sometimes rewrite the the strategy is sometimes rewrite the the strategy is sometimes rewrite the past to control the future.

past to control the future. past to control the future. >> Of course. Absolutely. >> Of course. Absolutely. >> Of course. Absolutely. >> Rewrite the past. So if we if we rewrite >> Rewrite the past. So if we if we rewrite >> Rewrite the past. So if we if we rewrite the past as man honestly it's it's the the past as man honestly it's it's the the past as man honestly it's it's the especially the you know we don't have to especially the you know we don't have to especially the you know we don't have to do the whole thing but man if we rewrite do the whole thing but man if we rewrite do the whole thing but man if we rewrite the past as the Christians are the bad the past as the Christians are the bad the past as the Christians are the bad guys then they man look what happened guys then they man look what happened guys then they man look what happened when they had control rewrite the past when they had control rewrite the past when they had control rewrite the past now we can control the future well let's now we can control the future well let's now we can control the future well let's if it went bad when they had control in if it went bad when they had control in if it went bad when they had control in the past we all need to make sure they the past we all need to make sure they the past we all need to make sure they don't have control in the future don't have control in the future don't have control in the future >> that's absolutely exactly what I believe >> that's absolutely exactly what I believe >> that's absolutely exactly what I believe okay so when you ask me about motive the okay so when you ask me about motive the okay so when you ask me about motive the one thing I see is the rewriting of the one thing I see is the rewriting of the one thing I see is the rewriting of the past is always always always about past is always always always about past is always always always about demonizing Christians demonizing Christians demonizing Christians and making modern day their descendants and making modern day their descendants and making modern day their descendants Europeans, modern day Americans and so Europeans, modern day Americans and so Europeans, modern day Americans and so forth disavow their heritage not want to forth disavow their heritage not want to forth disavow their heritage not want to be like those people cuz they were be like those people cuz they were be like those people cuz they were horrible. And so if you're not going to horrible. And so if you're not going to horrible. And so if you're not going to be like them and what were they? Well, be like them and what were they? Well, be like them and what were they? Well, they were normal, religious and common they were normal, religious and common they were normal, religious and common sensical and conservative. So you have sensical and conservative. So you have sensical and conservative. So you have to be the opposite otherwise you'll be to be the opposite otherwise you'll be to be the opposite otherwise you'll be like these evil horrible Christians. So like these evil horrible Christians. So like these evil horrible Christians. So that is absolutely the case. Um, you can that is absolutely the case. Um, you can that is absolutely the case. Um, you can see this, I call it fake history, which see this, I call it fake history, which see this, I call it fake history, which I find much more dangerous than fake I find much more dangerous than fake I find much more dangerous than fake news for the reasons that you alluded to news for the reasons that you alluded to news for the reasons that you alluded to because fake history, okay, fake news, because fake history, okay, fake news, because fake history, okay, fake news, right, is there's a new headline and right, is there's a new headline and right, is there's a new headline and it's a lie and it creates its chaos and it's a lie and it creates its chaos and it's a lie and it creates its chaos and whatever, but it's ephemeral. It goes on whatever, but it's ephemeral. It goes on whatever, but it's ephemeral. It goes on and then you cycle something tomorrow.

and then you cycle something tomorrow. and then you cycle something tomorrow. Fake history creates overarching Fake history creates overarching Fake history creates overarching narratives that you see reality through. narratives that you see reality through. narratives that you see reality through. So, I'll give you a per. So, one So, I'll give you a per. So, one So, I'll give you a per. So, one example, of course, is what we're example, of course, is what we're example, of course, is what we're talking about. Oh, the Christians are talking about. Oh, the Christians are talking about. Oh, the Christians are the bad guys and poor Muslims. Now, you the bad guys and poor Muslims. Now, you the bad guys and poor Muslims. Now, you need to make it up for them. bring him need to make it up for them. bring him need to make it up for them. bring him into your country and shut up and you into your country and shut up and you into your country and shut up and you know that kind of mentality. But think know that kind of mentality. But think know that kind of mentality. But think here's another one. Um the idea that here's another one. Um the idea that here's another one. Um the idea that slavery is a white man thing, right? slavery is a white man thing, right? slavery is a white man thing, right? White men created it. Everyone else, I White men created it. Everyone else, I White men created it. Everyone else, I don't know if you've ever seen this. I don't know if you've ever seen this. I don't know if you've ever seen this. I talked about her a lot. There's this a talked about her a lot. There's this a talked about her a lot. There's this a black professor, her name is uh Bridget black professor, her name is uh Bridget black professor, her name is uh Bridget Cooper at Ruggers University. You you Cooper at Ruggers University. You you Cooper at Ruggers University. You you need to watch this clip. She comes up need to watch this clip. She comes up need to watch this clip. She comes up and she talks about literally she says and she talks about literally she says and she talks about literally she says whites are the ones who did slavery. whites are the ones who did slavery. whites are the ones who did slavery. Before that, yellow, black, and brown Before that, yellow, black, and brown Before that, yellow, black, and brown people got along. And there's just people got along. And there's just people got along. And there's just something inherently evil about white something inherently evil about white something inherently evil about white people. And we got to take those mofos people. And we got to take those mofos people. And we got to take those mofos out. This is a professor. Okay. Okay. out. This is a professor. Okay. Okay. out. This is a professor. Okay. Okay. >> Now, yeah. Yeah. But you know what? But >> Now, yeah. Yeah. But you know what? But >> Now, yeah. Yeah. But you know what? But it makes sense that she says that it makes sense that she says that it makes sense that she says that because she's been taught that Yeah. because she's been taught that Yeah. because she's been taught that Yeah. slavery is something that white man slavery is something that white man slavery is something that white man created. Okay. In reality, of course, created. Okay. In reality, of course, created. Okay. In reality, of course, and if you want to talk about Islam, and if you want to talk about Islam, and if you want to talk about Islam, they've enslaved way more people they've enslaved way more people they've enslaved way more people historically. Really? Oh my god. Yeah.

historically. Really? Oh my god. Yeah. historically. Really? Oh my god. Yeah. And really really gra and the slavery And really really gra and the slavery And really really gra and the slavery was always accompanied with sadism and was always accompanied with sadism and was always accompanied with sadism and uh real mistreatment because those they uh real mistreatment because those they uh real mistreatment because those they enslave are infidels and there's a whole enslave are infidels and there's a whole enslave are infidels and there's a whole you know teachings about how to treat you know teachings about how to treat you know teachings about how to treat the infidel. Um and I'll give you one the infidel. Um and I'll give you one the infidel. Um and I'll give you one example. They enslaved a ton of blacks example. They enslaved a ton of blacks example. They enslaved a ton of blacks from subsaharan Africa. You know what from subsaharan Africa. You know what from subsaharan Africa. You know what they did too? At the same time they they did too? At the same time they they did too? At the same time they castrated all the males because they castrated all the males because they castrated all the males because they didn't want their blood uh polluting didn't want their blood uh polluting didn't want their blood uh polluting their genes. their genes. their genes. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So that's why in the Arab world you >> So that's why in the Arab world you >> So that's why in the Arab world you don't have black DNA. don't have black DNA. don't have black DNA. >> Wow. Look at in America, you still have >> Wow. Look at in America, you still have >> Wow. Look at in America, you still have a large black population because that a large black population because that a large black population because that didn't happen to them. Okay. didn't happen to them. Okay. didn't happen to them. Okay. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> There's also the fact that well, who >> There's also the fact that well, who >> There's also the fact that well, who actually abolished slavery? Okay. Yeah. actually abolished slavery? Okay. Yeah. actually abolished slavery? Okay. Yeah. Whites and Americans did it, but so did Whites and Americans did it, but so did Whites and Americans did it, but so did everyone else. But who abolished it? Oh, everyone else. But who abolished it? Oh, everyone else. But who abolished it? Oh, it was Europeans. It was whites. Saudi it was Europeans. It was whites. Saudi it was Europeans. It was whites. Saudi Arabia had slavery officially up until Arabia had slavery officially up until Arabia had slavery officially up until the 1970s. the 1970s. the 1970s. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. And the Islamic world, the only >> Yeah. And the Islamic world, the only >> Yeah. And the Islamic world, the only reason it was officially cancelled was reason it was officially cancelled was reason it was officially cancelled was due to the colonial powers, which now due to the colonial powers, which now due to the colonial powers, which now we're told they're the bad guys. Oh, the we're told they're the bad guys. Oh, the we're told they're the bad guys. Oh, the colonial era. They actually Yeah, they colonial era. They actually Yeah, they colonial era. They actually Yeah, they actually impial colonizers. Yeah, they actually impial colonizers. Yeah, they actually impial colonizers. Yeah, they actually got, you know, did away with actually got, you know, did away with actually got, you know, did away with slavery.

slavery. slavery. >> So, this is why history is so >> So, this is why history is so >> So, this is why history is so weaponized. If you don't know all this weaponized. If you don't know all this weaponized. If you don't know all this and what you're told, and what this is and what you're told, and what this is and what you're told, and what this is what we're told, that whites, Europeans, what we're told, that whites, Europeans, what we're told, that whites, Europeans, Christians historically were just Christians historically were just Christians historically were just monsters. Yeah, there's a reason for monsters. Yeah, there's a reason for monsters. Yeah, there's a reason for that fake history and that narrative that fake history and that narrative that fake history and that narrative because now you to be a good person have because now you to be a good person have because now you to be a good person have to do the opposite. You you have to be to do the opposite. You you have to be to do the opposite. You you have to be tolerant. You have to be a doormat to tolerant. You have to be a doormat to tolerant. You have to be a doormat to everyone else, Muslims especially. uh everyone else, Muslims especially. uh everyone else, Muslims especially. uh you have to make up for your sins and you have to make up for your sins and you have to make up for your sins and all that sort of thing. So it's very all that sort of thing. So it's very all that sort of thing. So it's very effective. It's very diabolical, you effective. It's very diabolical, you effective. It's very diabolical, you know, and it's it's so widespread and know, and it's it's so widespread and know, and it's it's so widespread and permeates everything. Now we're talking permeates everything. Now we're talking permeates everything. Now we're talking about books and espeto look at about books and espeto look at about books and espeto look at Hollywood. Hollywood. Hollywood. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you're telling >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you're telling >> Yeah. I mean, you know, you're telling me about this idea of the of the me about this idea of the of the me about this idea of the of the crusaders are, you know, these evil crusaders are, you know, these evil crusaders are, you know, these evil racists, whatever. That's in every racists, whatever. That's in every racists, whatever. That's in every movie. I And there's no movie that you movie. I And there's no movie that you movie. I And there's no movie that you can watch where they don't come out like can watch where they don't come out like can watch where they don't come out like that. And the Muslims are the noble, that. And the Muslims are the noble, that. And the Muslims are the noble, magnanimous, you know, sort of wise magnanimous, you know, sort of wise magnanimous, you know, sort of wise characters like Saladin. It's always characters like Saladin. It's always characters like Saladin. It's always like that. like that. like that. >> Actually, that that actually dubtales >> Actually, that that actually dubtales >> Actually, that that actually dubtales something I want to ask you like what something I want to ask you like what something I want to ask you like what So, two primary objections then I want So, two primary objections then I want So, two primary objections then I want you to respond to something that was you to respond to something that was you to respond to something that was very very viral. This is a good example very very viral. This is a good example very very viral. This is a good example we're talking about here in a second.

we're talking about here in a second. we're talking about here in a second. >> Two objections that I think people would >> Two objections that I think people would >> Two objections that I think people would have like when they hear what you're have like when they hear what you're have like when they hear what you're talking about. Number one is, hey, uh, talking about. Number one is, hey, uh, talking about. Number one is, hey, uh, Raymond, aren't you selectively editing Raymond, aren't you selectively editing Raymond, aren't you selectively editing history? Because, man, there have been history? Because, man, there have been history? Because, man, there have been times even in antiquity when Christians times even in antiquity when Christians times even in antiquity when Christians and Muslims and Jews live together in and Muslims and Jews live together in and Muslims and Jews live together in prosperous ways. What about Anducia? You prosperous ways. What about Anducia? You prosperous ways. What about Anducia? You know, things like that. Like, I think know, things like that. Like, I think know, things like that. Like, I think some people would say, man, you're some people would say, man, you're some people would say, man, you're you're selectively editing. you're selectively editing. you're selectively editing. >> Yeah. Uh my response to that is when we >> Yeah. Uh my response to that is when we >> Yeah. Uh my response to that is when we talk about the long war that I document talk about the long war that I document talk about the long war that I document in these books, okay, it initiates from in these books, okay, it initiates from in these books, okay, it initiates from the Muslim world and it continues on the Muslim world and it continues on the Muslim world and it continues on everywhere always until it stopped. everywhere always until it stopped. everywhere always until it stopped. Okay, that's the history. So there was Okay, that's the history. So there was Okay, that's the history. So there was never a time where you had a Muslim never a time where you had a Muslim never a time where you had a Muslim power living side by side with a power living side by side with a power living side by side with a non-Muslim power and it just said, "Oh, non-Muslim power and it just said, "Oh, non-Muslim power and it just said, "Oh, we'll we'll leave we'll leave you in we'll we'll leave we'll leave you in we'll we'll leave we'll leave you in peace." Okay, the only time that happens peace." Okay, the only time that happens peace." Okay, the only time that happens is when the Muslims are on the weekend, is when the Muslims are on the weekend, is when the Muslims are on the weekend, they're weakened and they can't do much they're weakened and they can't do much they're weakened and they can't do much about it, which is kind of like now. about it, which is kind of like now. about it, which is kind of like now. >> So, okay. Andalucia. >> So, okay. Andalucia. >> So, okay. Andalucia. All one has to do is uh look at a book All one has to do is uh look at a book All one has to do is uh look at a book by a friend of mine, Dario Fernandez by a friend of mine, Dario Fernandez by a friend of mine, Dario Fernandez Morera, professor. It's called the Morera, professor. It's called the Morera, professor. It's called the Andalucian myth. It's about a 600page Andalucian myth. It's about a 600page Andalucian myth. It's about a 600page book. And he just goes into it deeply book. And he just goes into it deeply book. And he just goes into it deeply and just shows you how it was. It was and just shows you how it was. It was and just shows you how it was. It was another fake history fabricated a few another fake history fabricated a few another fake history fabricated a few decades ago. Okay? And if you want to decades ago. Okay? And if you want to decades ago. Okay? And if you want to talk about cherrypicking, that's the talk about cherrypicking, that's the talk about cherrypicking, that's the cherry-picking. Here's here's what these cherry-picking. Here's here's what these cherry-picking. Here's here's what these golden age myths what they are like.

golden age myths what they are like. golden age myths what they are like. They look at a place like Andalucia, They look at a place like Andalucia, They look at a place like Andalucia, which is the Islamic name for Spain, which is the Islamic name for Spain, which is the Islamic name for Spain, conquered Spain, and they see things conquered Spain, and they see things conquered Spain, and they see things like uh wealth. They see great like uh wealth. They see great like uh wealth. They see great architecture, okay? They see opulent architecture, okay? They see opulent architecture, okay? They see opulent palaces and, you know, waterfalls. Um palaces and, you know, waterfalls. Um palaces and, you know, waterfalls. Um and they learn and they see, oh, there and they learn and they see, oh, there and they learn and they see, oh, there was a lot of, you know, literary was a lot of, you know, literary was a lot of, you know, literary literary works being produced in Arabic literary works being produced in Arabic literary works being produced in Arabic and whatnot. So, it seems like, wow, and whatnot. So, it seems like, wow, and whatnot. So, it seems like, wow, this is a, you know, very kind of like this is a, you know, very kind of like this is a, you know, very kind of like um advanced time. And it seems like it. um advanced time. And it seems like it. um advanced time. And it seems like it. And then they compare it to Europe and And then they compare it to Europe and And then they compare it to Europe and they say oh this is the dark ages and they say oh this is the dark ages and they say oh this is the dark ages and these people are living like you know these people are living like you know these people are living like you know just backwards etc. Okay now I'll give just backwards etc. Okay now I'll give just backwards etc. Okay now I'll give you a proper analogy with the truth. Are you a proper analogy with the truth. Are you a proper analogy with the truth. Are you familiar with uh what is it UAE? you familiar with uh what is it UAE? you familiar with uh what is it UAE? They have these like United Arab Emmer They have these like United Arab Emmer They have these like United Arab Emmer Yeah. Whichever one of those has those Yeah. Whichever one of those has those Yeah. Whichever one of those has those massive skyscrapers and they're like massive skyscrapers and they're like massive skyscrapers and they're like Dubai. Dubai. Dubai. >> Dubai I think maybe. Yeah. >> Dubai I think maybe. Yeah. >> Dubai I think maybe. Yeah. >> Where they have like all this crazy >> Where they have like all this crazy >> Where they have like all this crazy architecture architecture architecture >> really impressive architecture. >> really impressive architecture. >> really impressive architecture. >> Okay. Imagine now 100 200 years from now >> Okay. Imagine now 100 200 years from now >> Okay. Imagine now 100 200 years from now and the world's changed and that and the world's changed and that and the world's changed and that civilization's gone. America, Western civilization's gone. America, Western civilization's gone. America, Western civilization's gone, but people come and civilization's gone, but people come and civilization's gone, but people come and they see those, wow, those skyscrapers they see those, wow, those skyscrapers they see those, wow, those skyscrapers and there's nothing like it. And then and there's nothing like it. And then and there's nothing like it. And then they start learning, oh, and and there they start learning, oh, and and there they start learning, oh, and and there was a lot of wealth here and this and was a lot of wealth here and this and was a lot of wealth here and this and that and oh, there were workers from the that and oh, there were workers from the that and oh, there were workers from the Philippines and no, maybe this was a Philippines and no, maybe this was a Philippines and no, maybe this was a really advanced kind of society. All really advanced kind of society. All really advanced kind of society. All right, but the truth it was. But why?

right, but the truth it was. But why? right, but the truth it was. But why? Well, one, it was it was oil money. So Well, one, it was it was oil money. So Well, one, it was it was oil money. So none of that was actually built by them. none of that was actually built by them. none of that was actually built by them. It was built by western engineers for It was built by western engineers for It was built by western engineers for example and two they were living still example and two they were living still example and two they were living still like under Sharia Islamic primitive law like under Sharia Islamic primitive law like under Sharia Islamic primitive law >> in andia >> in andia >> in andia >> um well yeah in andia okay so I was >> um well yeah in andia okay so I was >> um well yeah in andia okay so I was giving you the example of uh like UAE or giving you the example of uh like UAE or giving you the example of uh like UAE or Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia >> but okay so yeah in andia I'll give you >> but okay so yeah in andia I'll give you >> but okay so yeah in andia I'll give you a perfect example at the height of the a perfect example at the height of the a perfect example at the height of the golden age something there's what's golden age something there's what's golden age something there's what's known as the martyrs of Cordoba and known as the martyrs of Cordoba and known as the martyrs of Cordoba and Cordoba was is the jewel of andia this Cordoba was is the jewel of andia this Cordoba was is the jewel of andia this is the golden age and right at that time is the golden age and right at that time is the golden age and right at that time basically you had something like 50 60 basically you had something like 50 60 basically you had something like 50 60 Christians Spaniards who were Christians Spaniards who were Christians Spaniards who were systematically executed because uh they systematically executed because uh they systematically executed because uh they were declaring Jesus Christ. Some of were declaring Jesus Christ. Some of were declaring Jesus Christ. Some of them had converted or their parents had them had converted or their parents had them had converted or their parents had converted out of duress to Islam like converted out of duress to Islam like converted out of duress to Islam like most Spaniards did during the conquest most Spaniards did during the conquest most Spaniards did during the conquest and they wanted to sort of unburden this and they wanted to sort of unburden this and they wanted to sort of unburden this their soul and say no I'm going back to their soul and say no I'm going back to their soul and say no I'm going back to Christianity. I renounce your prophet. Christianity. I renounce your prophet. Christianity. I renounce your prophet. And they were just skinned alive, And they were just skinned alive, And they were just skinned alive, beheaded, boiled alive, crucified, torn beheaded, boiled alive, crucified, torn beheaded, boiled alive, crucified, torn to pieces to pieces to pieces >> in this andia >> in this andia >> in this andia >> in the golden age of andia.

>> in the golden age of andia. >> in the golden age of andia. >> Yeah. Because that's the one that people >> Yeah. Because that's the one that people >> Yeah. Because that's the one that people typically point to as a historical typically point to as a historical typically point to as a historical example of like peace and harmony. See example of like peace and harmony. See example of like peace and harmony. See that? that? that? >> So what I'm saying is no, no, there was >> So what I'm saying is no, no, there was >> So what I'm saying is no, no, there was what it had is it had wealth because it what it had is it had wealth because it what it had is it had wealth because it was plundering it from Europe. And was plundering it from Europe. And was plundering it from Europe. And Cordoba, again, this this is the heart Cordoba, again, this this is the heart Cordoba, again, this this is the heart of the golden age. The end myth was the of the golden age. The end myth was the of the golden age. The end myth was the slave emporium of the Muslim world. So slave emporium of the Muslim world. So slave emporium of the Muslim world. So why? Because it was based in Europe and why? Because it was based in Europe and why? Because it was based in Europe and I told you they wanted European slaves. I told you they wanted European slaves. I told you they wanted European slaves. So that was where all the European So that was where all the European So that was where all the European slaves that they could hunt down from slaves that they could hunt down from slaves that they could hunt down from Europe were brought to Cordoba and sold Europe were brought to Cordoba and sold Europe were brought to Cordoba and sold there. So my point is, yeah, it was there. So my point is, yeah, it was there. So my point is, yeah, it was opulent. It was rich. It was advanced. opulent. It was rich. It was advanced. opulent. It was rich. It was advanced. It had good architecture and it had It had good architecture and it had It had good architecture and it had literature. That doesn't mean that what literature. That doesn't mean that what literature. That doesn't mean that what we associate with radical Islam and you we associate with radical Islam and you we associate with radical Islam and you know tribal primitiveness wasn't there. know tribal primitiveness wasn't there. know tribal primitiveness wasn't there. It still was. you know. It still was. you know. It still was. you know. >> So, what about like Okay, before we >> So, what about like Okay, before we >> So, what about like Okay, before we react to this thing from this it's a react to this thing from this it's a react to this thing from this it's a Tucker clip I want you to react to. Tucker clip I want you to react to. Tucker clip I want you to react to. >> So, all right, you you just mentioned >> So, all right, you you just mentioned >> So, all right, you you just mentioned radicalism. I think that's something and radicalism. I think that's something and radicalism. I think that's something and this is honestly I don't know what to this is honestly I don't know what to this is honestly I don't know what to think about. So, I'm I'm just I'm just think about. So, I'm I'm just I'm just think about. So, I'm I'm just I'm just that's why I'm most excited about this. that's why I'm most excited about this. that's why I'm most excited about this. I'm just genuinely asking. So like I I'm just genuinely asking. So like I I'm just genuinely asking. So like I think I think what some people would say think I think what some people would say think I think what some people would say or like this is the vibe that I've or like this is the vibe that I've or like this is the vibe that I've picked up before is man you're uh picked up before is man you're uh picked up before is man you're uh selectively choosing the actions of a selectively choosing the actions of a selectively choosing the actions of a few to tarnish the reputation of the few to tarnish the reputation of the few to tarnish the reputation of the vast majority. And I will say, man, you vast majority. And I will say, man, you vast majority. And I will say, man, you know, you know, you you walk around know, you know, you you walk around know, you know, you you walk around Dallas a lot. There's a lot of like, you Dallas a lot. There's a lot of like, you Dallas a lot. There's a lot of like, you know, I call them sweetie pie Muslims.

know, I call them sweetie pie Muslims. know, I call them sweetie pie Muslims. You know, they just seem like sweet You know, they just seem like sweet You know, they just seem like sweet little families driving my Uber Uber, little families driving my Uber Uber, little families driving my Uber Uber, you know, whatever it is. And and then I you know, whatever it is. And and then I you know, whatever it is. And and then I pulled, you know, you've got some you've pulled, you know, you've got some you've pulled, you know, you've got some you've got quotes from to tie into this. got quotes from to tie into this. got quotes from to tie into this. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh some people would hear that and they go, some people would hear that and they go, some people would hear that and they go, "And Raymond, doesn't the Quran command "And Raymond, doesn't the Quran command "And Raymond, doesn't the Quran command peace and acceptance and nonviolence?" peace and acceptance and nonviolence?" peace and acceptance and nonviolence?" And they'll quote things. I'll just give And they'll quote things. I'll just give And they'll quote things. I'll just give give a couple quotes. Indeed, the give a couple quotes. Indeed, the give a couple quotes. Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabian, believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabian, believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabian, whoever truly believes in Allah and the whoever truly believes in Allah and the whoever truly believes in Allah and the last day and does good will have their last day and does good will have their last day and does good will have their reward with the Lord, and there will be reward with the Lord, and there will be reward with the Lord, and there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve. no fear for them, nor will they grieve. no fear for them, nor will they grieve. Or like here's another quote, "Let there Or like here's another quote, "Let there Or like here's another quote, "Let there be no compulsion in religion." So, I be no compulsion in religion." So, I be no compulsion in religion." So, I think what they would say is, "Hey, man, think what they would say is, "Hey, man, think what they would say is, "Hey, man, you know, these people who did the stuff you know, these people who did the stuff you know, these people who did the stuff you were talking about, they were you were talking about, they were you were talking about, they were actually disobeying." actually disobeying." actually disobeying." >> Like what the that's what they would >> Like what the that's what they would >> Like what the that's what they would say. say. say. >> For the truth stands out clearly from >> For the truth stands out clearly from >> For the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false falsehood. So whoever renounces false falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly gods and believes in Allah has certainly gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmst unfailing handhold grasped the firmst unfailing handhold grasped the firmst unfailing handhold and Allah is all hearing and all and Allah is all hearing and all and Allah is all hearing and all knowing. So Raymond Ibrahim, aren't you knowing. So Raymond Ibrahim, aren't you knowing. So Raymond Ibrahim, aren't you just using the actions of a a few to just using the actions of a a few to just using the actions of a a few to tarnish the reputations of a majority tarnish the reputations of a majority tarnish the reputations of a majority and you're it's selective editing.

and you're it's selective editing. and you're it's selective editing. >> All right. Very good. So let's let's dig >> All right. Very good. So let's let's dig >> All right. Very good. So let's let's dig into this. All right. The first thing is into this. All right. The first thing is into this. All right. The first thing is um and I I'm always confronted by that um and I I'm always confronted by that um and I I'm always confronted by that question which is which I can also word question which is which I can also word question which is which I can also word in a different way which is I know a in a different way which is I know a in a different way which is I know a good Muslim that you know my cab driver good Muslim that you know my cab driver good Muslim that you know my cab driver or my the guy at 7-Eleven you know he's or my the guy at 7-Eleven you know he's or my the guy at 7-Eleven you know he's a great guy. a great guy. a great guy. >> Okay fine I have no problem with that >> Okay fine I have no problem with that >> Okay fine I have no problem with that and that does not in any way shape or and that does not in any way shape or and that does not in any way shape or form pose any problem for me because I form pose any problem for me because I form pose any problem for me because I am not interested in what a sub a human am not interested in what a sub a human am not interested in what a sub a human how they practice their religion. I how they practice their religion. I how they practice their religion. I already know amongst Christianity and already know amongst Christianity and already know amongst Christianity and all religions you can it is a teaching. all religions you can it is a teaching. all religions you can it is a teaching. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then you can you can call yourself a >> And then you can you can call yourself a >> And then you can you can call yourself a Christian and do the exact opposite. Christian and do the exact opposite. Christian and do the exact opposite. Right. Right. Right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> So I'm not that doesn't do anything for >> So I'm not that doesn't do anything for >> So I'm not that doesn't do anything for me. I'm sure there are Muslims out there me. I'm sure there are Muslims out there me. I'm sure there are Muslims out there who are great awesome people. Right. who are great awesome people. Right. who are great awesome people. Right. What I care about is what does the What I care about is what does the What I care about is what does the religion teach? religion teach? religion teach? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And guess what? That is easily >> And guess what? That is easily >> And guess what? That is easily ascertained. We can find that out. This ascertained. We can find that out. This ascertained. We can find that out. This is not a mystery at all. Unlike is not a mystery at all. Unlike is not a mystery at all. Unlike Christianity. Actually, the one good Christianity. Actually, the one good Christianity. Actually, the one good thing about Islam is it's very black and thing about Islam is it's very black and thing about Islam is it's very black and white. It's very simple. It doesn't have white. It's very simple. It doesn't have white. It's very simple. It doesn't have a metaphysical side or, you know, a metaphysical side or, you know, a metaphysical side or, you know, something about my relationship with God something about my relationship with God something about my relationship with God or something abstract. It's just the or something abstract. It's just the or something abstract. It's just the law. Literally, it's law. The word is law. Literally, it's law. The word is law. Literally, it's law. The word is submit. Islam means submit. Well, what submit. Islam means submit. Well, what submit. Islam means submit. Well, what am I submitting to? To the laws of am I submitting to? To the laws of am I submitting to? To the laws of Allah, which we call Sharia. Okay? So, Allah, which we call Sharia. Okay? So, Allah, which we call Sharia. Okay? So, we know what those laws are. And some of we know what those laws are. And some of we know what those laws are. And some of them I can just tell you uh okay if them I can just tell you uh okay if them I can just tell you uh okay if you're an apostate if you want to leave you're an apostate if you want to leave you're an apostate if you want to leave as you're born it no one Muslims are as you're born it no one Muslims are as you're born it no one Muslims are born into it. If your father is a born into it. If your father is a born into it. If your father is a Muslim, you're a Muslim. There's no Muslim, you're a Muslim. There's no Muslim, you're a Muslim. There's no baptism or ceremony. That's it. You're

baptism or ceremony. That's it. You're baptism or ceremony. That's it. You're born into it. And if you try to leave, born into it. And if you try to leave, born into it. And if you try to leave, yeah, you can die. That's part of Islam. yeah, you can die. That's part of Islam. yeah, you can die. That's part of Islam. That Muhammad said in a canonical That Muhammad said in a canonical That Muhammad said in a canonical hadith, whoever leaves his religion, hadith, whoever leaves his religion, hadith, whoever leaves his religion, Islam, kill him. And now you have Islam, kill him. And now you have Islam, kill him. And now you have basically in Sunni Islam, you have four basically in Sunni Islam, you have four basically in Sunni Islam, you have four schools of Jewish prudence. All of them schools of Jewish prudence. All of them schools of Jewish prudence. All of them agree that the apostate has to be agree that the apostate has to be agree that the apostate has to be punished. Most of them say kill him. punished. Most of them say kill him. punished. Most of them say kill him. Some say don't kill the woman, just keep Some say don't kill the woman, just keep Some say don't kill the woman, just keep her trapped in a house and starve her. her trapped in a house and starve her. her trapped in a house and starve her. Yeah. All sorts of things like that. Yeah. All sorts of things like that. Yeah. All sorts of things like that. Blasphemers, anyone who dares speak Blasphemers, anyone who dares speak Blasphemers, anyone who dares speak against Allah and his prophet. Same against Allah and his prophet. Same against Allah and his prophet. Same thing. Okay. This is part of the thing. Okay. This is part of the thing. Okay. This is part of the religion. This is not in any way, shape religion. This is not in any way, shape religion. This is not in any way, shape or form a radical interpretation. or form a radical interpretation. or form a radical interpretation. >> Does that still happen in nations today? >> Does that still happen in nations today? >> Does that still happen in nations today? >> Oh yeah. All the time. I was telling >> Oh yeah. All the time. I was telling >> Oh yeah. All the time. I was telling about those reports I write, you know, about those reports I write, you know, about those reports I write, you know, Muslim persecution every month. Okay, Muslim persecution every month. Okay, Muslim persecution every month. Okay, >> there's people who are killed because >> there's people who are killed because >> there's people who are killed because they're perceived and seen as apostates they're perceived and seen as apostates they're perceived and seen as apostates who became Christians or who are beaten, who became Christians or who are beaten, who became Christians or who are beaten, jailed, killed because they spoke some jailed, killed because they spoke some jailed, killed because they spoke some or perceived or accused of speaking or perceived or accused of speaking or perceived or accused of speaking against Islam. Okay. Um, sex slavery, against Islam. Okay. Um, sex slavery, against Islam. Okay. Um, sex slavery, concubinage. Yeah, that's in the Quran. concubinage. Yeah, that's in the Quran. concubinage. Yeah, that's in the Quran. I told you Muhammad did it. It's part of I told you Muhammad did it. It's part of I told you Muhammad did it. It's part of the religion. Slavery was only abolished the religion. Slavery was only abolished the religion. Slavery was only abolished because Western forces forced Islam to because Western forces forced Islam to because Western forces forced Islam to abolish it. But it's part of the and it abolish it. But it's part of the and it abolish it. But it's part of the and it still goes on underground. There's 50 still goes on underground. There's 50 still goes on underground. There's 50 million slaves around the world, almost million slaves around the world, almost million slaves around the world, almost all of them in Africa and Asia and the all of them in Africa and Asia and the all of them in Africa and Asia and the Middle East. Okay. So the the the Middle East. Okay. So the the the Middle East. Okay. So the the the religion is the religion and it is what religion is the religion and it is what religion is the religion and it is what we're talking about. Then there's the we're talking about. Then there's the we're talking about. Then there's the history which uh so we're talking about history which uh so we're talking about history which uh so we're talking about the doctrines some of the more the doctrines some of the more the doctrines some of the more problematic ones. The history is one problematic ones. The history is one problematic ones. The history is one long manifestation of the doctrines.

long manifestation of the doctrines. long manifestation of the doctrines. Okay. So even history validates that Okay. So even history validates that Okay. So even history validates that yeah it's not just some abstract book yeah it's not just some abstract book yeah it's not just some abstract book that or a verse. This is what happened. that or a verse. This is what happened. that or a verse. This is what happened. This is what they did. Okay. As far as This is what they did. Okay. As far as This is what they did. Okay. As far as the issue about, you know, there's some the issue about, you know, there's some the issue about, you know, there's some verses in the Quran. You have your verses in the Quran. You have your verses in the Quran. You have your religion, I have mine, the Sabians, religion, I have mine, the Sabians, religion, I have mine, the Sabians, etc., etc. What people don't understand etc., etc. What people don't understand etc., etc. What people don't understand is that Islam, there's a whole science is that Islam, there's a whole science is that Islam, there's a whole science in Arabic. It's called in Arabic. It's called in Arabic. It's called and what this in translation means is and what this in translation means is and what this in translation means is the abregated and the abrogator or which the abregated and the abrogator or which the abregated and the abrogator or which basically means Muslims realize real basically means Muslims realize real basically means Muslims realize real quick if you look at the Quran and you quick if you look at the Quran and you quick if you look at the Quran and you want to make sense of it and you want to want to make sense of it and you want to want to make sense of it and you want to create laws out of it contradicts itself create laws out of it contradicts itself create laws out of it contradicts itself because there is verses that sound because there is verses that sound because there is verses that sound peaceful and say you have there's no peaceful and say you have there's no peaceful and say you have there's no compulsion and you have your religion compulsion and you have your religion compulsion and you have your religion etc etc but then there's verses that say etc etc but then there's verses that say etc etc but then there's verses that say fight the infidel you know conquer them fight the infidel you know conquer them fight the infidel you know conquer them kill them subjugate them and so the the kill them subjugate them and so the the kill them subjugate them and so the the logic of what This doctrine which is logic of what This doctrine which is logic of what This doctrine which is widespread and the only way you can widespread and the only way you can widespread and the only way you can understand the Quran is the revelations understand the Quran is the revelations understand the Quran is the revelations as they're called that came to Muhammad as they're called that came to Muhammad as they're called that came to Muhammad earlier get abregated get cancelled earlier get abregated get cancelled earlier get abregated get cancelled replaced by the later ones.

replaced by the later ones. replaced by the later ones. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. And it just so happens that if you >> Okay. And it just so happens that if you >> Okay. And it just so happens that if you look at Muhammad's career it's it's sort look at Muhammad's career it's it's sort look at Muhammad's career it's it's sort of split in two. The earliest phases in of split in two. The earliest phases in of split in two. The earliest phases in Mecca and the later phases in Medina. In Mecca and the later phases in Medina. In Mecca and the later phases in Medina. In Mecca he was weak. He was outnumbered. Mecca he was weak. He was outnumbered. Mecca he was weak. He was outnumbered. He had no followers. That's when you get He had no followers. That's when you get He had no followers. That's when you get all the peaceful uh tolerant verses. He all the peaceful uh tolerant verses. He all the peaceful uh tolerant verses. He goes to Medina essentially becomes a goes to Medina essentially becomes a goes to Medina essentially becomes a warlord and that's when he begins the warlord and that's when he begins the warlord and that's when he begins the jihad and after about a decade he's jihad and after about a decade he's jihad and after about a decade he's almost conquered most of Arabia rec almost conquered most of Arabia rec almost conquered most of Arabia rec conquered Mecca around 6:30 that's when conquered Mecca around 6:30 that's when conquered Mecca around 6:30 that's when he gets the verses that now go on the he gets the verses that now go on the he gets the verses that now go on the offensive offensive offensive >> and the two verses that are amongst the >> and the two verses that are amongst the >> and the two verses that are amongst the very latest they're from Toba chap which very latest they're from Toba chap which very latest they're from Toba chap which we know as chapter 9 in the Quran um is we know as chapter 9 in the Quran um is we know as chapter 9 in the Quran um is 95 and 929 and they are collectively 95 and 929 and they are collectively 95 and 929 and they are collectively known as the sword verses because these known as the sword verses because these known as the sword verses because these verses 929 for example says, "Fight the verses 929 for example says, "Fight the verses 929 for example says, "Fight the people of the book, Christians and Jews, people of the book, Christians and Jews, people of the book, Christians and Jews, until they paid tribute, Jiza, and feel until they paid tribute, Jiza, and feel until they paid tribute, Jiza, and feel themselves subdued." And 95 says, "When themselves subdued." And 95 says, "When themselves subdued." And 95 says, "When you know, wherever you find the pagans, you know, wherever you find the pagans, you know, wherever you find the pagans, slay them. Lay an ambush for lay an slay them. Lay an ambush for lay an slay them. Lay an ambush for lay an ambush for them. Await them, slay them, ambush for them. Await them, slay them, ambush for them. Await them, slay them, and kill them."

and kill them." and kill them." >> Gez, >> Gez, >> Gez, >> those two verses according to the as >> those two verses according to the as >> those two verses according to the as they're known, the scholars, uh, and they're known, the scholars, uh, and they're known, the scholars, uh, and there's consensus on this, and consensus there's consensus on this, and consensus there's consensus on this, and consensus is very important in normative Islam, is very important in normative Islam, is very important in normative Islam, abregate all that peaceful stuff. Okay, abregate all that peaceful stuff. Okay, abregate all that peaceful stuff. Okay, that's one main view. The second view is that's one main view. The second view is that's one main view. The second view is similar and more elastic. What it says similar and more elastic. What it says similar and more elastic. What it says is you the Muslim can implement the is you the Muslim can implement the is you the Muslim can implement the verses that you find yourself in a verses that you find yourself in a verses that you find yourself in a situation. So if I find myself uh I'm a situation. So if I find myself uh I'm a situation. So if I find myself uh I'm a Muslim and I'm living in an infidel Muslim and I'm living in an infidel Muslim and I'm living in an infidel country and I'm outnumbered. Yeah. I'm country and I'm outnumbered. Yeah. I'm country and I'm outnumbered. Yeah. I'm going to I'm going to quote when the going to I'm going to quote when the going to I'm going to quote when the what Muhammad quoted when he was weak what Muhammad quoted when he was weak what Muhammad quoted when he was weak the Meccan verses, the tolerant verses the Meccan verses, the tolerant verses the Meccan verses, the tolerant verses as a ruse. as a ruse. as a ruse. >> And when and when the time comes that >> And when and when the time comes that >> And when and when the time comes that now I'm in a stronger position, that's now I'm in a stronger position, that's now I'm in a stronger position, that's when I implement the the violence later when I implement the the violence later when I implement the the violence later verses. verses. verses. >> And you do see historically what kind of >> And you do see historically what kind of >> And you do see historically what kind of happens. happens. happens. >> Yes. Yeah. Um you know when ISIS came to >> Yes. Yeah. Um you know when ISIS came to >> Yes. Yeah. Um you know when ISIS came to power in 2014 2013 2014 I remember power in 2014 2013 2014 I remember power in 2014 2013 2014 I remember because I do follow If you're going to because I do follow If you're going to because I do follow If you're going to do that I'm going to start do that I'm going to start do that I'm going to start >> I'm getting a cookie. All right. Go >> I'm getting a cookie. All right. Go >> I'm getting a cookie. All right. Go ahead. ahead. ahead. >> Enjoying this. >> Enjoying this. >> Enjoying this. >> I will uh in around with the rise of >> I will uh in around with the rise of >> I will uh in around with the rise of ISIS I because I follow the persecution ISIS I because I follow the persecution ISIS I because I follow the persecution of Christians. I came across a lot of of Christians. I came across a lot of of Christians. I came across a lot of stories of uh Assyrians and other stories of uh Assyrians and other stories of uh Assyrians and other Christians living in Syria and in Iraq Christians living in Syria and in Iraq Christians living in Syria and in Iraq and they talked about how they lived, and they talked about how they lived, and they talked about how they lived, you know, their their people, the you know, their their people, the you know, their their people, the Christians lived with Muslims side by Christians lived with Muslims side by Christians lived with Muslims side by side in villages for, you know, decades, side in villages for, you know, decades, side in villages for, you know, decades, centuries, and they knew each other and centuries, and they knew each other and centuries, and they knew each other and they would often times a lot of the they would often times a lot of the they would often times a lot of the Christians were better off and they Christians were better off and they Christians were better off and they would help the Muslims and what not and would help the Muslims and what not and would help the Muslims and what not and they and they would they talked about they and they would they talked about they and they would they talked about them as family and then when ISIS came them as family and then when ISIS came them as family and then when ISIS came to town, those same Muslims went and to town, those same Muslims went and to town, those same Muslims went and pointed out and said, "That's the

pointed out and said, "That's the pointed out and said, "That's the Christian house." This is where we get Christian house." This is where we get Christian house." This is where we get if you remember the noon the N that you if you remember the noon the N that you if you remember the noon the N that you know it was like a you know it's like a know it was like a you know it's like a know it was like a you know it's like a symbol it's the Arabic letter for symbol it's the Arabic letter for symbol it's the Arabic letter for which ISIS and those Muslims would put which ISIS and those Muslims would put which ISIS and those Muslims would put on Christian homes to say this is where on Christian homes to say this is where on Christian homes to say this is where the Christian lives the Christian lives the Christian lives >> and people started using it as a sign of >> and people started using it as a sign of >> and people started using it as a sign of solidarity but there were numerous solidarity but there were numerous solidarity but there were numerous accounts like that and the people the accounts like that and the people the accounts like that and the people the Christians said they were just like they Christians said they were just like they Christians said they were just like they were so shocked. I thought this guy was were so shocked. I thought this guy was were so shocked. I thought this guy was like family. And the moment the like family. And the moment the like family. And the moment the circumstance changed and Islam came to circumstance changed and Islam came to circumstance changed and Islam came to town, they just jumped on that town, they just jumped on that town, they just jumped on that bandwagon. Okay. bandwagon. Okay. bandwagon. Okay. >> I didn't think I didn't plan to go here. >> I didn't think I didn't plan to go here. >> I didn't think I didn't plan to go here. Trinity, can you grab Can you pull that? Trinity, can you grab Can you pull that? Trinity, can you grab Can you pull that? There's a graphic that does the three There's a graphic that does the three There's a graphic that does the three phases of Muslim immigration. phases of Muslim immigration. phases of Muslim immigration. So, this went like viral a few years So, this went like viral a few years So, this went like viral a few years ago. I want to know this is why I like ago. I want to know this is why I like ago. I want to know this is why I like doing stuff like this because I can ask doing stuff like this because I can ask doing stuff like this because I can ask you if this is true or not. So, like I you if this is true or not. So, like I you if this is true or not. So, like I this went crazy viral like a year ago this went crazy viral like a year ago this went crazy viral like a year ago and I grabbed it. It's three phases of and I grabbed it. It's three phases of and I grabbed it. It's three phases of Muslim immigration. Phase one, few in Muslim immigration. Phase one, few in Muslim immigration. Phase one, few in number, oppressed Islam, play the number, oppressed Islam, play the number, oppressed Islam, play the victim, claim Islamophobia, more victim, claim Islamophobia, more victim, claim Islamophobia, more tolerant of others. Phase two, large tolerant of others. Phase two, large tolerant of others. Phase two, large minority, indignant Islam, threatening, minority, indignant Islam, threatening, minority, indignant Islam, threatening, demand Sharia law, intolerant in demand Sharia law, intolerant in demand Sharia law, intolerant in infidels. Phase three, clear majority, infidels. Phase three, clear majority, infidels. Phase three, clear majority, dominant Islam, militant, strict Sharia dominant Islam, militant, strict Sharia dominant Islam, militant, strict Sharia law, kill, subdue all infidels. And then law, kill, subdue all infidels. And then law, kill, subdue all infidels. And then it says, for 1400 years, this pattern it says, for 1400 years, this pattern it says, for 1400 years, this pattern hasn't changed, etc. Moderacy is hasn't changed, etc. Moderacy is hasn't changed, etc. Moderacy is irrelevant. Historically, is that true?

irrelevant. Historically, is that true? irrelevant. Historically, is that true? >> Logically, it's true. Historically, I'll >> Logically, it's true. Historically, I'll >> Logically, it's true. Historically, I'll say it's not true for one reason because say it's not true for one reason because say it's not true for one reason because you can only get away with this amongst you can only get away with this amongst you can only get away with this amongst stupid Westerners. stupid Westerners. stupid Westerners. Okay? And historically, Westerners Okay? And historically, Westerners Okay? And historically, Westerners weren't stupid. weren't stupid. weren't stupid. >> Okay? >> Okay? >> Okay? >> Okay. So, the phase one, play the >> Okay. So, the phase one, play the >> Okay. So, the phase one, play the victim, claim Islamophobia, wouldn't victim, claim Islamophobia, wouldn't victim, claim Islamophobia, wouldn't have worked a few centuries ago. have worked a few centuries ago. have worked a few centuries ago. >> You can't go to a European country in >> You can't go to a European country in >> You can't go to a European country in the medieval era and be open to Muslim the medieval era and be open to Muslim the medieval era and be open to Muslim and kick you out. and kick you out. and kick you out. >> It doesn't work in like Anglo-Saxon >> It doesn't work in like Anglo-Saxon >> It doesn't work in like Anglo-Saxon Britain probably. Britain probably. Britain probably. >> Yeah. Okay. So, so yeah, it works now, >> Yeah. Okay. So, so yeah, it works now, >> Yeah. Okay. So, so yeah, it works now, but historically to their credit, but historically to their credit, but historically to their credit, Europeans would not have fallen because Europeans would not have fallen because Europeans would not have fallen because it requires naivity. You have to for it requires naivity. You have to for it requires naivity. You have to for phase one, you have to be naive and go, phase one, you have to be naive and go, phase one, you have to be naive and go, "Oh, they're poor victims. Oh, "Oh, they're poor victims. Oh, "Oh, they're poor victims. Oh, islamophobia. Oh, oh, I got to give you islamophobia. Oh, oh, I got to give you islamophobia. Oh, oh, I got to give you tolerance." That wouldn't have happened. tolerance." That wouldn't have happened. tolerance." That wouldn't have happened. Okay. Um, so but but now, yes, this is Okay. Um, so but but now, yes, this is Okay. Um, so but but now, yes, this is absolutely correct uh amongst the naive absolutely correct uh amongst the naive absolutely correct uh amongst the naive West. West. West. >> So, like for listeners, because like if >> So, like for listeners, because like if >> So, like for listeners, because like if you're like me and you're trying to get you're like me and you're trying to get you're like me and you're trying to get your head around historically, how does your head around historically, how does your head around historically, how does this work in civilizations? You know, this work in civilizations? You know, this work in civilizations? You know, it's like honestly if you just zoom out it's like honestly if you just zoom out it's like honestly if you just zoom out like as I'm reading your stuff, I'm like like as I'm reading your stuff, I'm like like as I'm reading your stuff, I'm like if I just zoom out once upon a time if I just zoom out once upon a time if I just zoom out once upon a time there were zero Muslim nations and now there were zero Muslim nations and now there were zero Muslim nations and now there's 50. Well, that happened somehow.

there's 50. Well, that happened somehow. there's 50. Well, that happened somehow. >> No, but what So what do you do with like >> No, but what So what do you do with like >> No, but what So what do you do with like nations like I think it's like Albania. nations like I think it's like Albania. nations like I think it's like Albania. There's like a few nations where it's There's like a few nations where it's There's like a few nations where it's like people go, "Hey man, see that's a like people go, "Hey man, see that's a like people go, "Hey man, see that's a that's a Muslim nation where it's very that's a Muslim nation where it's very that's a Muslim nation where it's very tolerant and pluralistic and what do you tolerant and pluralistic and what do you tolerant and pluralistic and what do you how do you think?" how do you think?" how do you think?" >> Well, okay. The truth is uh is Albania >> Well, okay. The truth is uh is Albania >> Well, okay. The truth is uh is Albania for historic Albania is really like for historic Albania is really like for historic Albania is really like schizophrenic because what's funny about schizophrenic because what's funny about schizophrenic because what's funny about it is it became Muslim through coercion. it is it became Muslim through coercion. it is it became Muslim through coercion. One of the guys do you remember One of the guys do you remember One of the guys do you remember Scanderbeg? Scanderbeg? Scanderbeg? >> I don't. >> I don't. >> I don't. >> Okay. One of the characters in Defenders >> Okay. One of the characters in Defenders >> Okay. One of the characters in Defenders of the West uh chapter 7 I think is this of the West uh chapter 7 I think is this of the West uh chapter 7 I think is this Albanian hero. He's probably one of the Albanian hero. He's probably one of the Albanian hero. He's probably one of the mo greatest warriors of Christendom who mo greatest warriors of Christendom who mo greatest warriors of Christendom who fought the Ottomans kept them out of fought the Ottomans kept them out of fought the Ottomans kept them out of Albania for a quarter of a century. Oh, Albania for a quarter of a century. Oh, Albania for a quarter of a century. Oh, >> I do remember this guy. Yep. >> I do remember this guy. Yep. >> I do remember this guy. Yep. >> Yeah. Anyway, after him, the the Muslims >> Yeah. Anyway, after him, the the Muslims >> Yeah. Anyway, after him, the the Muslims were so indignant that they once they were so indignant that they once they were so indignant that they once they did conquer Albania, there Albania is did conquer Albania, there Albania is did conquer Albania, there Albania is basically either there was no you pay basically either there was no you pay basically either there was no you pay tribute, you become Muslim or not. tribute, you become Muslim or not. tribute, you become Muslim or not. >> So that's why it entered into Albania. >> So that's why it entered into Albania. >> So that's why it entered into Albania. But what's funny about it is that it's But what's funny about it is that it's But what's funny about it is that it's so it's just a nominal thing. It's just so it's just a nominal thing. It's just so it's just a nominal thing. It's just a a superficial thing because their hero a a superficial thing because their hero a a superficial thing because their hero and their flag is still Scanderbeg who and their flag is still Scanderbeg who and their flag is still Scanderbeg who fought Islam.

fought Islam. fought Islam. >> The Muslims the Muslims of Albania still >> The Muslims the Muslims of Albania still >> The Muslims the Muslims of Albania still venerate the Christian guy who fought venerate the Christian guy who fought venerate the Christian guy who fought Islam. Okay. Why? Yeah. Because he's Islam. Okay. Why? Yeah. Because he's Islam. Okay. Why? Yeah. Because he's their hero. their hero. their hero. >> But at the same time, they're all very >> But at the same time, they're all very >> But at the same time, they're all very secular and atheistic. If you go to secular and atheistic. If you go to secular and atheistic. If you go to Albania, it's like nobody there is. It's Albania, it's like nobody there is. It's Albania, it's like nobody there is. It's just a nominal thing. Yeah. It's like just a nominal thing. Yeah. It's like just a nominal thing. Yeah. It's like we're called Muslims, but there's we're called Muslims, but there's we're called Muslims, but there's literally almost nobody there who's a literally almost nobody there who's a literally almost nobody there who's a true Muslim. I'm sure there are some. true Muslim. I'm sure there are some. true Muslim. I'm sure there are some. >> It's almost like So, like an example, >> It's almost like So, like an example, >> It's almost like So, like an example, you know, I grew up in the Bible bell you know, I grew up in the Bible bell you know, I grew up in the Bible bell south. south. south. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And a lot of times you would see people >> And a lot of times you would see people >> And a lot of times you would see people like, "Yeah, dude, you know, they like, "Yeah, dude, you know, they like, "Yeah, dude, you know, they they're taking a census and like, well, they're taking a census and like, well, they're taking a census and like, well, you know, you I'm not a Muslim and I'm you know, you I'm not a Muslim and I'm you know, you I'm not a Muslim and I'm not an atheist, so yeah, I guess I'm a not an atheist, so yeah, I guess I'm a not an atheist, so yeah, I guess I'm a Christian." Yeah. Is it kind of that Christian." Yeah. Is it kind of that Christian." Yeah. Is it kind of that kind of vibe cultural? We call it kind of vibe cultural? We call it kind of vibe cultural? We call it cultural Christian and then I'm cultural Christian and then I'm cultural Christian and then I'm culturally muscle. That's culturally muscle. That's culturally muscle. That's >> it's my cultural thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, >> it's my cultural thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, >> it's my cultural thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there's this thing Ramadan. We hang out there's this thing Ramadan. We hang out there's this thing Ramadan. We hang out and I eat, you know, we feast and and I eat, you know, we feast and and I eat, you know, we feast and >> you know for that for that particular >> you know for that for that particular >> you know for that for that particular that's what I mean by Albania. Um, you that's what I mean by Albania. Um, you that's what I mean by Albania. Um, you know, it's it's such an aberration. It know, it's it's such an aberration. It know, it's it's such an aberration. It has a weird history. It's still very has a weird history. It's still very has a weird history. It's still very European in a way. It it it it's flag is European in a way. It it it it's flag is European in a way. It it it it's flag is the guy who fought Islam even though the guy who fought Islam even though the guy who fought Islam even though they're Muslims, you know. It's like they're Muslims, you know. It's like they're Muslims, you know. It's like really a weird kind of dynamic which I really a weird kind of dynamic which I really a weird kind of dynamic which I would say is very apparent and doesn't would say is very apparent and doesn't would say is very apparent and doesn't really reflect on our topic because we really reflect on our topic because we really reflect on our topic because we have multiple examples that validate have multiple examples that validate have multiple examples that validate what we're talking about you know so what we're talking about you know so what we're talking about you know so you'll always find an aberration and you'll always find an aberration and you'll always find an aberration and even in Albania I don't want to make it even in Albania I don't want to make it even in Albania I don't want to make it sound like there I'm sure there's a sound like there I'm sure there's a sound like there I'm sure there's a radical Muslim there here or two you radical Muslim there here or two you radical Muslim there here or two you know I'm sure uh but I say by and large know I'm sure uh but I say by and large know I'm sure uh but I say by and large they're very kind of like a secular they're very kind of like a secular they're very kind of like a secular atheistic it's the same thing with the atheistic it's the same thing with the atheistic it's the same thing with the Stan countries you know Kazakhstan and Stan countries you know Kazakhstan and Stan countries you know Kazakhstan and Usbekistan they are Islamic

Usbekistan they are Islamic Usbekistan they are Islamic But because of under Soviet rule, But because of under Soviet rule, But because of under Soviet rule, they're literally atheistic. So, you they're literally atheistic. So, you they're literally atheistic. So, you know, they're not, you know what I mean? know, they're not, you know what I mean? know, they're not, you know what I mean? So, so it's just Yeah, it's like a So, so it's just Yeah, it's like a So, so it's just Yeah, it's like a nominal name cultural thing. nominal name cultural thing. nominal name cultural thing. >> But you're saying like when when you're >> But you're saying like when when you're >> But you're saying like when when you're saying in general historically and saying in general historically and saying in general historically and geopolitically when actual practicing geopolitically when actual practicing geopolitically when actual practicing Muslims gain power, that graphic tends Muslims gain power, that graphic tends Muslims gain power, that graphic tends to happen. to happen. to happen. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, that's what we're >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, that's what we're >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, that's what we're seeing uh in Europe right now. Okay. I seeing uh in Europe right now. Okay. I seeing uh in Europe right now. Okay. I want to ask you about that and America, want to ask you about that and America, want to ask you about that and America, too, which is when they're tiny too, which is when they're tiny too, which is when they're tiny minorities. Oh, you know, I'm oppressed. minorities. Oh, you know, I'm oppressed. minorities. Oh, you know, I'm oppressed. You I need special privileges because You I need special privileges because You I need special privileges because I'm being, you know, oppressed. And then I'm being, you know, oppressed. And then I'm being, you know, oppressed. And then when they become, you know, stronger but when they become, you know, stronger but when they become, you know, stronger but still a minority. Then they become more still a minority. Then they become more still a minority. Then they become more demanding and more assertive. Yeah. demanding and more assertive. Yeah. demanding and more assertive. Yeah. You're seeing that everywhere in Europe. You're seeing that everywhere in Europe. You're seeing that everywhere in Europe. And then, of course, I'll give you And then, of course, I'll give you And then, of course, I'll give you another perfect example of what happens. another perfect example of what happens. another perfect example of what happens. So in Nigeria, that's one of the rare So in Nigeria, that's one of the rare So in Nigeria, that's one of the rare countries where the Muslims and countries where the Muslims and countries where the Muslims and Christians are literally 50/50. Christians are literally 50/50. Christians are literally 50/50. >> It's a genocide of Muslims against >> It's a genocide of Muslims against >> It's a genocide of Muslims against Christians now because 50/50 well the Christians now because 50/50 well the Christians now because 50/50 well the Muslim Muslim Muslim >> does it ever for for devils. Does it >> does it ever for for devils. Does it >> does it ever for for devils. Does it ever happen the other way where the ever happen the other way where the ever happen the other way where the Christians attack the Muslims Christians attack the Muslims Christians attack the Muslims unprovoked? That kind of thing? No.

unprovoked? That kind of thing? No. unprovoked? That kind of thing? No. >> You mean Nigeria or in general >> You mean Nigeria or in general >> You mean Nigeria or in general >> in Nigeria? >> in Nigeria? >> in Nigeria? >> No. No, not at all. I just didn't know >> No. No, not at all. I just didn't know >> No. No, not at all. I just didn't know how it is. how it is. how it is. >> No, no, no. It's a good question. No, >> No, no, no. It's a good question. No, >> No, no, no. It's a good question. No, no. It's it's it is okay. And here's how no. It's it's it is okay. And here's how no. It's it's it is okay. And here's how the media plays it. The media will never the media plays it. The media will never the media plays it. The media will never tell you it's Muslims or Christians. tell you it's Muslims or Christians. tell you it's Muslims or Christians. It'll say there's it's it's It'll say there's it's it's It'll say there's it's it's >> I've noticed this. >> I've noticed this. >> I've noticed this. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I' keep keep going. I've noticed this. >> I' keep keep going. I've noticed this. >> I' keep keep going. I've noticed this. They'll say, okay, they'll say, oh, They'll say, okay, they'll say, oh, They'll say, okay, they'll say, oh, these herdsmen, uh, because they need these herdsmen, uh, because they need these herdsmen, uh, because they need grazing land, invaded and attacked and, grazing land, invaded and attacked and, grazing land, invaded and attacked and, you know, killed a sedentary village you know, killed a sedentary village you know, killed a sedentary village >> and that's it. >> and that's it. >> and that's it. >> It just they tie it to climate change. >> It just they tie it to climate change. >> It just they tie it to climate change. Have you noticed this? Have you noticed this? Have you noticed this? >> Oh, openly they tie it to climate >> Oh, openly they tie it to climate >> Oh, openly they tie it to climate change. change. change. >> And but then you find out, oh, all the >> And but then you find out, oh, all the >> And but then you find out, oh, all the herdsmen are Muslim and they were herdsmen are Muslim and they were herdsmen are Muslim and they were dressed in black, chanting Islamic dressed in black, chanting Islamic dressed in black, chanting Islamic slogans and saying Allah Akbar and all slogans and saying Allah Akbar and all slogans and saying Allah Akbar and all the uh sedentry villagers were the uh sedentry villagers were the uh sedentry villagers were Christians. Christians. Christians. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh so yeah it's the same dynamic >> Okay. Uh so yeah it's the same dynamic >> Okay. Uh so yeah it's the same dynamic over and over but the media dissembles over and over but the media dissembles over and over but the media dissembles as usual. as usual. as usual. >> Now let me okay >> Now let me okay >> Now let me okay >> because remember a Christian can never >> because remember a Christian can never >> because remember a Christian can never be the victim. Christians are the be the victim. Christians are the be the victim. Christians are the oppressors. We worked very hard to oppressors. We worked very hard to oppressors. We worked very hard to create a fake history to convince you create a fake history to convince you create a fake history to convince you Christians are bad. So we can't have you Christians are bad. So we can't have you Christians are bad. So we can't have you thinking Christians are being persecuted thinking Christians are being persecuted thinking Christians are being persecuted by Muslims.

by Muslims. by Muslims. >> That's why that topic as uh >> That's why that topic as uh >> That's why that topic as uh >> as as massive as it is I mean I told you >> as as massive as it is I mean I told you >> as as massive as it is I mean I told you every month I write a long report. I every month I write a long report. I every month I write a long report. I wish I I didn't have to. Uh it gets wish I I didn't have to. Uh it gets wish I I didn't have to. Uh it gets nobody knows about it. Nobody including nobody knows about it. Nobody including nobody knows about it. Nobody including Christians in the West because it's such Christians in the West because it's such Christians in the West because it's such an Achilles heel. You're not supposed to an Achilles heel. You're not supposed to an Achilles heel. You're not supposed to believe that uh Christians who we told believe that uh Christians who we told believe that uh Christians who we told you are the bad guys. You got to be you are the bad guys. You got to be you are the bad guys. You got to be liberal. You know, you can't be like any liberal. You know, you can't be like any liberal. You know, you can't be like any Christian are there. They they're the Christian are there. They they're the Christian are there. They they're the ones who are being killed and worse by ones who are being killed and worse by ones who are being killed and worse by Muslims. Uh because we taught you you're Muslims. Uh because we taught you you're Muslims. Uh because we taught you you're the bad guy. You need to accommodate the the bad guy. You need to accommodate the the bad guy. You need to accommodate the Muslims and so forth. So, Muslims and so forth. So, Muslims and so forth. So, >> okay. So, you and you mentioned I mean >> okay. So, you and you mentioned I mean >> okay. So, you and you mentioned I mean you brought and honestly this is one of you brought and honestly this is one of you brought and honestly this is one of you can have some of that if you want. you can have some of that if you want. you can have some of that if you want. >> You br you brought this up like hey man >> You br you brought this up like hey man >> You br you brought this up like hey man some of this is happening in Europe and some of this is happening in Europe and some of this is happening in Europe and America. So, this is honestly what one America. So, this is honestly what one America. So, this is honestly what one of the reasons I want to reach out to of the reasons I want to reach out to of the reasons I want to reach out to you just just to shoot you real you just just to shoot you real you just just to shoot you real straight. So, like here in in Dallas, straight. So, like here in in Dallas, straight. So, like here in in Dallas, like we've got a couple areas of Dallas like we've got a couple areas of Dallas like we've got a couple areas of Dallas that are they're very, you know, very that are they're very, you know, very that are they're very, you know, very heavy Muslim immigration, that kind of heavy Muslim immigration, that kind of heavy Muslim immigration, that kind of thing. So, I'm going to this is going to thing. So, I'm going to this is going to thing. So, I'm going to this is going to take me a second. I'm going to run take me a second. I'm going to run take me a second. I'm going to run through some things that are really not through some things that are really not through some things that are really not as much for you. They're for people who as much for you. They're for people who as much for you. They're for people who are listening. are listening. are listening. >> I'm chewing. >> I'm chewing. >> I'm chewing. >> Yeah, you're good. So that we can give >> Yeah, you're good. So that we can give >> Yeah, you're good. So that we can give you a chance to eat your cookie so that you a chance to eat your cookie so that you a chance to eat your cookie so that people understand like why is Josh people understand like why is Josh people understand like why is Josh asking this question? Well, this is what asking this question? Well, this is what asking this question? Well, this is what I'm getting ready to do. This is why I'm I'm getting ready to do. This is why I'm I'm getting ready to do. This is why I'm asking this question. For listeners, asking this question. For listeners, asking this question. For listeners, what I'm doing for for Christians is I what I'm doing for for Christians is I what I'm doing for for Christians is I just want to remind you something like just want to remind you something like just want to remind you something like uh biblically and theologically, what uh biblically and theologically, what uh biblically and theologically, what you got in the scriptures is that God you got in the scriptures is that God you got in the scriptures is that God establishes three institutions for the establishes three institutions for the establishes three institutions for the flourishing of humanity. Uh he flourishing of humanity. Uh he flourishing of humanity. Uh he establishes the family, the church, and establishes the family, the church, and establishes the family, the church, and the state. And what Christians are not the state. And what Christians are not the state. And what Christians are not good at doing, and this is not going to good at doing, and this is not going to good at doing, and this is not going to be a surprise to Raymond, what be a surprise to Raymond, what be a surprise to Raymond, what Christians are not good at doing is Christians are not good at doing is Christians are not good at doing is thinking in categories. So what thinking in categories. So what thinking in categories. So what Christians have to learn to do is with

Christians have to learn to do is with Christians have to learn to do is with any issue honestly especially things any issue honestly especially things any issue honestly especially things like uh Islam, Muslim immigration, that like uh Islam, Muslim immigration, that like uh Islam, Muslim immigration, that sort of thing, Christians have to learn sort of thing, Christians have to learn sort of thing, Christians have to learn how to put their theological thinking how to put their theological thinking how to put their theological thinking cap on, open the Bible and then think in cap on, open the Bible and then think in cap on, open the Bible and then think in categories and ask three questions, not categories and ask three questions, not categories and ask three questions, not one. Instead of just asking, man, how one. Instead of just asking, man, how one. Instead of just asking, man, how should I think or feel about Muslims and should I think or feel about Muslims and should I think or feel about Muslims and Muslim immigration? We ask actually have Muslim immigration? We ask actually have Muslim immigration? We ask actually have to ask three questions again. Family, to ask three questions again. Family, to ask three questions again. Family, church, state. So you need to ask a church, state. So you need to ask a church, state. So you need to ask a question. One, for me as an individual question. One, for me as an individual question. One, for me as an individual Christian leading a Christian family, Christian leading a Christian family, Christian leading a Christian family, how am I supposed to relate to my Muslim how am I supposed to relate to my Muslim how am I supposed to relate to my Muslim neighbors? Dude, we got commands for neighbors? Dude, we got commands for neighbors? Dude, we got commands for that. I'm supposed to love my neighbor. that. I'm supposed to love my neighbor. that. I'm supposed to love my neighbor. I'm supposed to share the gospel with my I'm supposed to share the gospel with my I'm supposed to share the gospel with my neighbor. Question number two. Then we neighbor. Question number two. Then we neighbor. Question number two. Then we need to ask a question. Awesome man. I'm need to ask a question. Awesome man. I'm need to ask a question. Awesome man. I'm a pastor of a church with a massive a pastor of a church with a massive a pastor of a church with a massive missions budget. This is just you don't missions budget. This is just you don't missions budget. This is just you don't know anything about me, but that's know anything about me, but that's know anything about me, but that's that's what we and like our goal uh is that's what we and like our goal uh is that's what we and like our goal uh is to fulfill the great commission is to to fulfill the great commission is to to fulfill the great commission is to share Christ with all nations, teaching share Christ with all nations, teaching share Christ with all nations, teaching them to obey all the things, baptizing them to obey all the things, baptizing them to obey all the things, baptizing them in the name of the father, son, and them in the name of the father, son, and them in the name of the father, son, and the spirit. So then we ask the question, the spirit. So then we ask the question, the spirit. So then we ask the question, what should we do as churches? Well, what should we do as churches? Well, what should we do as churches? Well, we're supposed to fulfill the great we're supposed to fulfill the great we're supposed to fulfill the great commission. So I'm like, dude, I I love commission. So I'm like, dude, I I love commission. So I'm like, dude, I I love every Jesus loves everybody in the every Jesus loves everybody in the every Jesus loves everybody in the world. I love everybody in the world.

world. I love everybody in the world. world. I love everybody in the world. We're going to try to share the gospel We're going to try to share the gospel We're going to try to share the gospel with everybody. But then what Christians with everybody. But then what Christians with everybody. But then what Christians historically are not good at doing, historically are not good at doing, historically are not good at doing, which you are good at helping people which you are good at helping people which you are good at helping people think about, is asking the third think about, is asking the third think about, is asking the third question. What about the role of the question. What about the role of the question. What about the role of the state and thinking civilizationally? state and thinking civilizationally? state and thinking civilizationally? Christians, honestly, we haven't had to Christians, honestly, we haven't had to Christians, honestly, we haven't had to think like that for a couple hundred think like that for a couple hundred think like that for a couple hundred years. And what I'm trying to do here years. And what I'm trying to do here years. And what I'm trying to do here is, and this is leading into a long is, and this is leading into a long is, and this is leading into a long question here, is man, when Christians question here, is man, when Christians question here, is man, when Christians put their theological thinking cap on put their theological thinking cap on put their theological thinking cap on and ask the third question, how should and ask the third question, how should and ask the third question, how should Christians want the role of the state, Christians want the role of the state, Christians want the role of the state, the biblical role of the state, thinking the biblical role of the state, thinking the biblical role of the state, thinking civilizationally, to relate to things civilizationally, to relate to things civilizationally, to relate to things like Muslims, im immigration? Uh, that's like Muslims, im immigration? Uh, that's like Muslims, im immigration? Uh, that's where Christians, I think, get a little where Christians, I think, get a little where Christians, I think, get a little naive to put it mildly. Now, if you're naive to put it mildly. Now, if you're naive to put it mildly. Now, if you're listening and all this is leading into a listening and all this is leading into a listening and all this is leading into a question I'm going to ask you. So for question I'm going to ask you. So for question I'm going to ask you. So for people who are watching and you're like, people who are watching and you're like, people who are watching and you're like, "Dude, why is he even talking about "Dude, why is he even talking about "Dude, why is he even talking about this?" So there's obviously this is a this?" So there's obviously this is a this?" So there's obviously this is a massive conversation in Europe, parts of massive conversation in Europe, parts of massive conversation in Europe, parts of America, if you're not a listener from America, if you're not a listener from America, if you're not a listener from Dallas, this is a pretty big Dallas, this is a pretty big Dallas, this is a pretty big conversation in parts of Dallas, parts conversation in parts of Dallas, parts conversation in parts of Dallas, parts of Michigan, New York City. So go ahead of Michigan, New York City. So go ahead of Michigan, New York City. So go ahead and toss that first thing up the uh and toss that first thing up the uh and toss that first thing up the uh Yeah, that's it. This is BBC. Muhammad Yeah, that's it. This is BBC. Muhammad Yeah, that's it. This is BBC. Muhammad overtakes Noah as the most popular boy's overtakes Noah as the most popular boy's overtakes Noah as the most popular boy's name uh in England and Wales. So for name uh in England and Wales. So for name uh in England and Wales. So for listeners, I just zoom out in England listeners, I just zoom out in England listeners, I just zoom out in England and Wales.

and Wales. and Wales. Pause for dramatic effect. Pause for dramatic effect. Pause for dramatic effect. >> It's not just there, by the way. >> It's not just there, by the way. >> It's not just there, by the way. >> I'm I'm gonna keep going. Uh overtakes >> I'm I'm gonna keep going. Uh overtakes >> I'm I'm gonna keep going. Uh overtakes Noah as the No, no, don't do that yet. Noah as the No, no, don't do that yet. Noah as the No, no, don't do that yet. So, I'm I've got some other things. Uh So, I'm I've got some other things. Uh So, I'm I've got some other things. Uh 11% You can take that down, Triny. 11% 11% You can take that down, Triny. 11% 11% You can take that down, Triny. 11% of England's mayors are now Muslim. 11%. of England's mayors are now Muslim. 11%. of England's mayors are now Muslim. 11%. Um in the following cities in Europe, Um in the following cities in Europe, Um in the following cities in Europe, this is kind of thing that like if this is kind of thing that like if this is kind of thing that like if you're a Christian, you're like, "What, you're a Christian, you're like, "What, you're a Christian, you're like, "What, bro? What is going on?" In the following bro? What is going on?" In the following bro? What is going on?" In the following cities in Europe, if you take there's uh cities in Europe, if you take there's uh cities in Europe, if you take there's uh variants of how people spell Muhammad. I variants of how people spell Muhammad. I variants of how people spell Muhammad. I think there's five primary. If you take think there's five primary. If you take think there's five primary. If you take them all and combine them into one name them all and combine them into one name them all and combine them into one name in the following cities in Europe, in the following cities in Europe, in the following cities in Europe, Muhammad is now the number one male baby Muhammad is now the number one male baby Muhammad is now the number one male baby name. So you have the entire nations of name. So you have the entire nations of name. So you have the entire nations of England and Wales, London, England, England and Wales, London, England, England and Wales, London, England, Manchester, uh, Manchester, UK, Berlin, Manchester, uh, Manchester, UK, Berlin, Manchester, uh, Manchester, UK, Berlin, Germany, Oslo, Norway, Brussels, Germany, Oslo, Norway, Brussels, Germany, Oslo, Norway, Brussels, Belgium, Amsterdam, Netherlands, Belgium, Amsterdam, Netherlands, Belgium, Amsterdam, Netherlands, Edinburgh, Scotland, Glasgow, Scotland. Edinburgh, Scotland, Glasgow, Scotland. Edinburgh, Scotland, Glasgow, Scotland. Nationally, as of this year, for the Nationally, as of this year, for the Nationally, as of this year, for the first time in human history, nationally first time in human history, nationally first time in human history, nationally in Scotland, uh the variants of Muhammad in Scotland, uh the variants of Muhammad in Scotland, uh the variants of Muhammad combined are now nationally the number combined are now nationally the number combined are now nationally the number one baby name in all of Scotland. Uh one baby name in all of Scotland. Uh one baby name in all of Scotland. Uh before I toss up this next graphic for before I toss up this next graphic for before I toss up this next graphic for people who don't know this, like I'm not people who don't know this, like I'm not people who don't know this, like I'm not as much of a history nerd as Raymond, as much of a history nerd as Raymond, as much of a history nerd as Raymond, but I'm a little bit of a history nerd.

but I'm a little bit of a history nerd. but I'm a little bit of a history nerd. Since 1521, Since 1521, Since 1521, the king of England has been referred to the king of England has been referred to the king of England has been referred to the pope originally titled the king of the pope originally titled the king of the pope originally titled the king of England starting in 1521. England starting in 1521. England starting in 1521. Uh the protector of the faith or the Uh the protector of the faith or the Uh the protector of the faith or the defender of the faith, talking about the defender of the faith, talking about the defender of the faith, talking about the Christian faith. Who who did that? Do Christian faith. Who who did that? Do Christian faith. Who who did that? Do you know who did that? you know who did that? you know who did that? >> Which pope? >> Which pope? >> Which pope? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or what king? Do you know what king was >> Or what king? Do you know what king was >> Or what king? Do you know what king was originally called that? originally called that? originally called that? >> Actually, actually, I believe it was >> Actually, actually, I believe it was >> Actually, actually, I believe it was Henry VII. Henry VII. Henry VII. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> When he was still Catholic. >> When he was still Catholic. >> When he was still Catholic. >> Okay, there you That's awesome. That's >> Okay, there you That's awesome. That's >> Okay, there you That's awesome. That's hilarious. Okay. hilarious. Okay. hilarious. Okay. >> But then he kept it when he became >> But then he kept it when he became >> But then he kept it when he became Protestant. All right. Ever since Good Protestant. All right. Ever since Good Protestant. All right. Ever since Good job. Good job. Uh the king So ever since job. Good job. Uh the king So ever since job. Good job. Uh the king So ever since 1521. So for for uh for uh uh for 500 1521. So for for uh for uh uh for 500 1521. So for for uh for uh uh for 500 years. years. years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The king of England. >> The king of England. >> The king of England. >> Oh, by the way, until this month has >> Oh, by the way, until this month has >> Oh, by the way, until this month has been referred to as the defender of the been referred to as the defender of the been referred to as the defender of the faith. Go ahead and toss that up. As of faith. Go ahead and toss that up. As of faith. Go ahead and toss that up. As of this month, for the first time in this month, for the first time in this month, for the first time in English history in 500 years, they English history in 500 years, they English history in 500 years, they switched it from defender of the faith switched it from defender of the faith switched it from defender of the faith because it was Christianity to defender because it was Christianity to defender because it was Christianity to defender of the faiths of the faiths of the faiths >> and now it's like now we're protecting >> and now it's like now we're protecting >> and now it's like now we're protecting all faiths. Um, go ahead and toss that all faiths. Um, go ahead and toss that all faiths. Um, go ahead and toss that uh the video of the march. So, this just uh the video of the march. So, this just uh the video of the march. So, this just for people who don't know what's going for people who don't know what's going for people who don't know what's going on, that's a march. And you may look at on, that's a march. And you may look at on, that's a march. And you may look at that and you may be going this is this that and you may be going this is this that and you may be going this is this is last month by the way. You may look is last month by the way. You may look is last month by the way. You may look at that and you may be going, "Oh man, I at that and you may be going, "Oh man, I at that and you may be going, "Oh man, I wonder what's going on over there in wonder what's going on over there in wonder what's going on over there in Saudi Arabia." That's Michigan. That's Saudi Arabia." That's Michigan. That's Saudi Arabia." That's Michigan. That's Michigan, by the way. I don't know. What Michigan, by the way. I don't know. What Michigan, by the way. I don't know. What are those flags? Do you know what those are those flags? Do you know what those are those flags? Do you know what those flags are?

flags are? flags are? >> Trying to see what's written on them. >> Trying to see what's written on them. >> Trying to see what's written on them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's all I mean, based on the >> I mean, it's all I mean, based on the >> I mean, it's all I mean, based on the context, it's all supremacist, Islamic, context, it's all supremacist, Islamic, context, it's all supremacist, Islamic, Arabic jargon. Arabic jargon. Arabic jargon. >> Okay. I don't know. I hate to put you on >> Okay. I don't know. I hate to put you on >> Okay. I don't know. I hate to put you on the spot there. the spot there. the spot there. >> A lot of them is the the shahada. >> A lot of them is the the shahada. >> A lot of them is the the shahada. There's no God, but Allah, Muhammad is There's no God, but Allah, Muhammad is There's no God, but Allah, Muhammad is his messenger. his messenger. his messenger. >> Okay. That kind of stuff. All right. You >> Okay. That kind of stuff. All right. You >> Okay. That kind of stuff. All right. You can take that down. So, that again, can take that down. So, that again, can take that down. So, that again, that's not like Iran. That's not Saudi that's not like Iran. That's not Saudi that's not like Iran. That's not Saudi Arabia. That's Michigan. Um, go ahead Arabia. That's Michigan. Um, go ahead Arabia. That's Michigan. Um, go ahead and toss that Apple Maps thing up, uh, and toss that Apple Maps thing up, uh, and toss that Apple Maps thing up, uh, Trinity. So, here's what this is, Trinity. So, here's what this is, Trinity. So, here's what this is, Raymond. This is because of the Raymond. This is because of the Raymond. This is because of the immigration thing. Um, this is, uh, immigration thing. Um, this is, uh, immigration thing. Um, this is, uh, mosques, new mosques in the last three mosques, new mosques in the last three mosques, new mosques in the last three years just in the Dallas Metroplex. years just in the Dallas Metroplex. years just in the Dallas Metroplex. >> So, I'm going to let that just sink in >> So, I'm going to let that just sink in >> So, I'm going to let that just sink in for people. for people. for people. >> These are new ones. >> These are new ones. >> These are new ones. >> Those are new ones just from what I >> Those are new ones just from what I >> Those are new ones just from what I understand, new ones just in the last understand, new ones just in the last understand, new ones just in the last three years in the Dallas Metroplex. And three years in the Dallas Metroplex. And three years in the Dallas Metroplex. And then I'm going to play. And I know it then I'm going to play. And I know it then I'm going to play. And I know it may be a little incendiary, but like I may be a little incendiary, but like I may be a little incendiary, but like I just want you to comment all this stuff. just want you to comment all this stuff. just want you to comment all this stuff. I'm going to tell you what I'm going to I'm going to tell you what I'm going to I'm going to tell you what I'm going to ask you. ask you. ask you. >> And then I'm going to I'm going to tell >> And then I'm going to I'm going to tell >> And then I'm going to I'm going to tell you what I'm going to ask you. Then I'm you what I'm going to ask you. Then I'm you what I'm going to ask you. Then I'm going to show this and then I want you going to show this and then I want you going to show this and then I want you to answer the question.

to answer the question. to answer the question. >> Like when people zoom out historically >> Like when people zoom out historically >> Like when people zoom out historically and watch this trend. If the trend and watch this trend. If the trend and watch this trend. If the trend continues, my question to you is like continues, my question to you is like continues, my question to you is like based on history, what's next? So before based on history, what's next? So before based on history, what's next? So before I you ask that question, this next thing I you ask that question, this next thing I you ask that question, this next thing you're getting ready to see is this is you're getting ready to see is this is you're getting ready to see is this is an imam in if I remember right, I think an imam in if I remember right, I think an imam in if I remember right, I think it's in New York. This is an imam in New it's in New York. This is an imam in New it's in New York. This is an imam in New York and he's explaining to people his York and he's explaining to people his York and he's explaining to people his the strategy. Go ahead and play this the strategy. Go ahead and play this the strategy. Go ahead and play this real quick. Triny, real quick. Triny, real quick. Triny, >> one day you're going to be the president >> one day you're going to be the president >> one day you're going to be the president of the United States of America. No one of the United States of America. No one of the United States of America. No one go Ali. Who can stop you from becoming a go Ali. Who can stop you from becoming a go Ali. Who can stop you from becoming a president? Dream big. have a vision president? Dream big. have a vision president? Dream big. have a vision because if Barack Hussein Obama can be a because if Barack Hussein Obama can be a because if Barack Hussein Obama can be a president, Suib Jawad cannot be a president, Suib Jawad cannot be a president, Suib Jawad cannot be a president. president. president. >> Do Muslims think of him as a Muslim? >> Do Muslims think of him as a Muslim? >> Do Muslims think of him as a Muslim? >> He's gonna be a president. >> He's gonna be a president. >> He's gonna be a president. >> His father was Muslim. >> His father was Muslim. >> His father was Muslim. >> The Muslim take over Makkah. They used >> The Muslim take over Makkah. They used >> The Muslim take over Makkah. They used to laugh at him. to laugh at him. to laugh at him. >> Now listen real close. >> Now listen real close. >> Now listen real close. >> What happened? What is Makkah now? Where >> What happened? What is Makkah now? Where >> What happened? What is Makkah now? Where is Mak? It's coming. Change is coming to is Mak? It's coming. Change is coming to is Mak? It's coming. Change is coming to America. And what is Allah telling us? America. And what is Allah telling us? America. And what is Allah telling us? You are the best of nations. You're You are the best of nations. You're You are the best of nations. You're better than everybody else. That's what better than everybody else. That's what better than everybody else. That's what Allah is saying. Let's work towards Allah is saying. Let's work towards Allah is saying. Let's work towards that. Let's work towards a Muslim mayor.

that. Let's work towards a Muslim mayor. that. Let's work towards a Muslim mayor. Next election that comes in, nominate Next election that comes in, nominate Next election that comes in, nominate people for the school board of people for the school board of people for the school board of education. Next election that comes education. Next election that comes education. Next election that comes here, nominate people for the local here, nominate people for the local here, nominate people for the local township became the demographics change. township became the demographics change. township became the demographics change. People converted. There's a big huge People converted. There's a big huge People converted. There's a big huge conversion going on in this town. Where conversion going on in this town. Where conversion going on in this town. Where are the converts? They just convert and are the converts? They just convert and are the converts? They just convert and they're gone in the wilderness. The they're gone in the wilderness. The they're gone in the wilderness. The other thing, children. Muslims have the other thing, children. Muslims have the other thing, children. Muslims have the highest population. They did his Pew highest population. They did his Pew highest population. They did his Pew Foundation did a research study, Pew Foundation did a research study, Pew Foundation did a research study, Pew Foundation, and they said that Muslim Foundation, and they said that Muslim Foundation, and they said that Muslim household average is 3.4 child per household average is 3.4 child per household average is 3.4 child per family. The white American has one child family. The white American has one child family. The white American has one child per family. We're already beating the per family. We're already beating the per family. We're already beating the march because these are voters. These march because these are voters. These march because these are voters. These are not just babies being born in are not just babies being born in are not just babies being born in hospitals. These are voters. That's the hospitals. These are voters. That's the hospitals. These are voters. That's the way a politician looks at it. We have to way a politician looks at it. We have to way a politician looks at it. We have to change the framework and start looking change the framework and start looking change the framework and start looking at things from a different lens, at things from a different lens, at things from a different lens, different angle for future. You're not different angle for future. You're not different angle for future. You're not going to change society today in your going to change society today in your going to change society today in your lifetime, but you think about your grand lifetime, but you think about your grand lifetime, but you think about your grand >> There you go. Sorry. When you see that, >> There you go. Sorry. When you see that, >> There you go. Sorry. When you see that, first of all, is that fringe rhetoric or first of all, is that fringe rhetoric or first of all, is that fringe rhetoric or is that historically centered? What what is that historically centered? What what is that historically centered? What what do you when you see all that like do you when you see all that like do you when you see all that like >> as you're watching what's happening in >> as you're watching what's happening in >> as you're watching what's happening in the world, Europe, parts of America?

the world, Europe, parts of America? the world, Europe, parts of America? What do you think about it? And then What do you think about it? And then What do you think about it? And then like historically, like how if the trend like historically, like how if the trend like historically, like how if the trend continues, you know, what happens? So, continues, you know, what happens? So, continues, you know, what happens? So, first of all, what you just played, I've first of all, what you just played, I've first of all, what you just played, I've seen countless of that throughout the seen countless of that throughout the seen countless of that throughout the years because I I know Arabic and I can years because I I know Arabic and I can years because I I know Arabic and I can I just watch them. I mean, you're lucky I just watch them. I mean, you're lucky I just watch them. I mean, you're lucky when you get a translation or if he when you get a translation or if he when you get a translation or if he speaks in English, but they are constant speaks in English, but they are constant speaks in English, but they are constant they they feel especially relaxed they they feel especially relaxed they they feel especially relaxed speaking Arabic because most people speaking Arabic because most people speaking Arabic because most people don't know what they're saying. So, that don't know what they're saying. So, that don't know what they're saying. So, that sort of message is is like I I can sort of message is is like I I can sort of message is is like I I can anytime go on the satellite and hear anytime go on the satellite and hear anytime go on the satellite and hear some guy saying something like that some guy saying something like that some guy saying something like that first of all. So, that's very common, first of all. So, that's very common, first of all. So, that's very common, very mainstream. And second, you have to very mainstream. And second, you have to very mainstream. And second, you have to understand uh let's go back to the understand uh let's go back to the understand uh let's go back to the concept of jihad, right? And I find it concept of jihad, right? And I find it concept of jihad, right? And I find it very interesting. Here's one of those very interesting. Here's one of those very interesting. Here's one of those ironies. Maybe you you're acquainted ironies. Maybe you you're acquainted ironies. Maybe you you're acquainted with what I'm going to say, but one of with what I'm going to say, but one of with what I'm going to say, but one of the apologas the apologas the apologas about the word jihad is historically it about the word jihad is historically it about the word jihad is historically it was translated as holy war, right? Uh was translated as holy war, right? Uh was translated as holy war, right? Uh because that's what it was. It because that's what it was. It because that's what it was. It manifested itself the way I described it manifested itself the way I described it manifested itself the way I described it in in in holy war, war on behalf of in in in holy war, war on behalf of in in in holy war, war on behalf of empowering Islam. And Muslims and empowering Islam. And Muslims and empowering Islam. And Muslims and scholars will tell you no, that's not scholars will tell you no, that's not scholars will tell you no, that's not what the word means. It actually means what the word means. It actually means what the word means. It actually means to strive, to struggle. Okay. And guess to strive, to struggle. Okay. And guess to strive, to struggle. Okay. And guess what? Yes, that is literally the word what? Yes, that is literally the word what? Yes, that is literally the word what it means. The connotation of course what it means. The connotation of course what it means. The connotation of course is holy war because that's how is holy war because that's how is holy war because that's how historically if you were going to historically if you were going to historically if you were going to empower Islam um visa v the infidel, if empower Islam um visa v the infidel, if empower Islam um visa v the infidel, if you were going to beat the infidel, you you were going to beat the infidel, you you were going to beat the infidel, you had to do through war because they're had to do through war because they're had to do through war because they're not going to let you walk in and take not going to let you walk in and take not going to let you walk in and take over them. This is why when you ask me over them. This is why when you ask me over them. This is why when you ask me to explain it historically, it's not to explain it historically, it's not to explain it historically, it's not that easy because what we're seeing that easy because what we're seeing that easy because what we're seeing today doesn't have a historical pre today doesn't have a historical pre today doesn't have a historical pre precedent.

precedent. precedent. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> No. It it the historical precedent is >> No. It it the historical precedent is >> No. It it the historical precedent is Islam was aggressive and it tried to Islam was aggressive and it tried to Islam was aggressive and it tried to conquer. What we have today is Western conquer. What we have today is Western conquer. What we have today is Western countries empowering and taking in countries empowering and taking in countries empowering and taking in Muslims and allowing them to come in and Muslims and allowing them to come in and Muslims and allowing them to come in and being outbred by them and appeasing being outbred by them and appeasing being outbred by them and appeasing them. Europeans never did that before. them. Europeans never did that before. them. Europeans never did that before. >> That's never happened before. >> That's never happened before. >> That's never happened before. >> No, of course not. >> No, of course not. >> No, of course not. >> Because they actually had a civilization >> Because they actually had a civilization >> Because they actually had a civilization they wanted to defend and a faith and a they wanted to defend and a faith and a they wanted to defend and a faith and a religion. religion. religion. >> Today's Western person, you know, he's >> Today's Western person, you know, he's >> Today's Western person, you know, he's just, I don't know, hedonist, an just, I don't know, hedonist, an just, I don't know, hedonist, an nihilist. It doesn't a relativist, nihilist. It doesn't a relativist, nihilist. It doesn't a relativist, anything's fine, right? Yeah, why not? anything's fine, right? Yeah, why not? anything's fine, right? Yeah, why not? So that's one of the issues which we'll So that's one of the issues which we'll So that's one of the issues which we'll get to. But um the word jihad so it's get to. But um the word jihad so it's get to. But um the word jihad so it's interesting because when they tell you interesting because when they tell you interesting because when they tell you oh it just means to struggle and strive oh it just means to struggle and strive oh it just means to struggle and strive that really show that really explains that really show that really explains that really show that really explains what you just saw. It does mean that but what you just saw. It does mean that but what you just saw. It does mean that but again what are you struggling and what again what are you struggling and what again what are you struggling and what are you striving to do to empower Islam. are you striving to do to empower Islam. are you striving to do to empower Islam. Okay. And guess what? So amongst these Okay. And guess what? So amongst these Okay. And guess what? So amongst these types and amongst the scholars and the types and amongst the scholars and the types and amongst the scholars and the Muslims there's different forms of Muslims there's different forms of Muslims there's different forms of jihad. There's a physical one we know, jihad. There's a physical one we know, jihad. There's a physical one we know, holy war. But there's things that they holy war. But there's things that they holy war. But there's things that they call jihad of um I'll give you the call jihad of um I'll give you the call jihad of um I'll give you the English translation. The jihad of the English translation. The jihad of the English translation. The jihad of the tongue, jihad of the pen.

tongue, jihad of the pen. tongue, jihad of the pen. >> Can you do the Arabic? >> Can you do the Arabic? >> Can you do the Arabic? >> Yeahi. Okay. These are the jihad of the tongue, Okay. These are the jihad of the tongue, jihad of the pen. And these basically jihad of the pen. And these basically jihad of the pen. And these basically like like propaganda and disseminating like like propaganda and disseminating like like propaganda and disseminating lies to help Islam, to empower Islam, to lies to help Islam, to empower Islam, to lies to help Islam, to empower Islam, to cry Islamophobia, for example, to say cry Islamophobia, for example, to say cry Islamophobia, for example, to say you are oppressing me. That's a jihad. you are oppressing me. That's a jihad. you are oppressing me. That's a jihad. Now what you're seeing is there's also Now what you're seeing is there's also Now what you're seeing is there's also what's known as has different names but what's known as has different names but what's known as has different names but jihad of the womb which is basically jihad of the womb which is basically jihad of the womb which is basically breeding them outreeding them. So what breeding them outreeding them. So what breeding them outreeding them. So what he said I've heard countless Muslims say he said I've heard countless Muslims say he said I've heard countless Muslims say this uh that is the game plan. All right this uh that is the game plan. All right this uh that is the game plan. All right we will outreed you. We by numbers we we will outreed you. We by numbers we we will outreed you. We by numbers we will take over. And this is why some of will take over. And this is why some of will take over. And this is why some of these European countries like uh you these European countries like uh you these European countries like uh you know England and France they talk about know England and France they talk about know England and France they talk about we're going to stop migration. Well, we're going to stop migration. Well, we're going to stop migration. Well, it's too little too late because you it's too little too late because you it's too little too late because you >> you think so? For real? >> you think so? For real? >> you think so? For real? >> It's too little too late because what >> It's too little too late because what >> It's too little too late because what are you going to do with the 10% Muslim are you going to do with the 10% Muslim are you going to do with the 10% Muslim population there that's constantly population there that's constantly population there that's constantly outbreeding you, right? And by the way, outbreeding you, right? And by the way, outbreeding you, right? And by the way, there's a reason they that Muhammad is there's a reason they that Muhammad is there's a reason they that Muhammad is the number one name, not Ahmed or the number one name, not Ahmed or the number one name, not Ahmed or Mustafa. Muhammad's a popular name Mustafa. Muhammad's a popular name Mustafa. Muhammad's a popular name amongst Muslims, but in the Islamic amongst Muslims, but in the Islamic amongst Muslims, but in the Islamic world, if you if you go to a Muslim world, if you if you go to a Muslim world, if you if you go to a Muslim country, it's going to be in the top, country, it's going to be in the top, country, it's going to be in the top, but it's not necessarily going to be the but it's not necessarily going to be the but it's not necessarily going to be the number one. The reason it's the number number one. The reason it's the number number one. The reason it's the number one name is they're letting you know one name is they're letting you know one name is they're letting you know what this is about because that's the what this is about because that's the what this is about because that's the name of their prophet. It's a religious name of their prophet. It's a religious name of their prophet. It's a religious thing. Okay. So they don't it's it's thing. Okay. So they don't it's it's thing. Okay. So they don't it's it's it's a you know it's like in your face.

it's a you know it's like in your face. it's a you know it's like in your face. We are here to outreed you We are here to outreed you We are here to outreed you >> with our prophet you know our our master >> with our prophet you know our our master >> with our prophet you know our our master Muhammad. So um so this is definitely it Muhammad. So um so this is definitely it Muhammad. So um so this is definitely it has a it now when I say when I try to has a it now when I say when I try to has a it now when I say when I try to tell you that there's no historical tell you that there's no historical tell you that there's no historical precedent. What I mean by that is precedent. What I mean by that is precedent. What I mean by that is historically the only jihad that would historically the only jihad that would historically the only jihad that would work against non-Muslims including work against non-Muslims including work against non-Muslims including Christians and Europeans was the Christians and Europeans was the Christians and Europeans was the physical kind. You couldn't dupe them by physical kind. You couldn't dupe them by physical kind. You couldn't dupe them by saying, "Hey, we're going to go live in saying, "Hey, we're going to go live in saying, "Hey, we're going to go live in your country and we're going to start your country and we're going to start your country and we're going to start out breeding you and you're going to out breeding you and you're going to out breeding you and you're going to give us free money and you're going to give us free money and you're going to give us free money and you're going to let us build mosques and you're going to let us build mosques and you're going to let us build mosques and you're going to suppress your your faith because it's suppress your your faith because it's suppress your your faith because it's offensive to us." That would have never offensive to us." That would have never offensive to us." That would have never happened. That's a modern-day happened. That's a modern-day happened. That's a modern-day phenomenon. Okay? And that's completely phenomenon. Okay? And that's completely phenomenon. Okay? And that's completely a byproduct of the West's spiritual a byproduct of the West's spiritual a byproduct of the West's spiritual sabotage. It has nothing left. It's a sabotage. It has nothing left. It's a sabotage. It has nothing left. It's a vacuous civilization, unfortunately. vacuous civilization, unfortunately. vacuous civilization, unfortunately. That's why those guys and the defenders That's why those guys and the defenders That's why those guys and the defenders of the west were actually at during of the west were actually at during of the west were actually at during these times that we're talking about the these times that we're talking about the these times that we're talking about the crusades and around that time Europe was crusades and around that time Europe was crusades and around that time Europe was the weak one. That was the weak side. the weak one. That was the weak side. the weak one. That was the weak side. The strong side was the mammoth behemoth The strong side was the mammoth behemoth The strong side was the mammoth behemoth Ottoman sultenates and the caliphates.

Ottoman sultenates and the caliphates. Ottoman sultenates and the caliphates. Um and they but they still fought tooth Um and they but they still fought tooth Um and they but they still fought tooth and nail to the death. They had and nail to the death. They had and nail to the death. They had something to defend. They had the faith. something to defend. They had the faith. something to defend. They had the faith. They had their culture. They had their They had their culture. They had their They had their culture. They had their families. families. families. >> Today because a lot of western people >> Today because a lot of western people >> Today because a lot of western people don't have any of those. don't have any of those. don't have any of those. >> Mhm. They they're capitulating and >> Mhm. They they're capitulating and >> Mhm. They they're capitulating and they're they go by feel-good mantras and they're they go by feel-good mantras and they're they go by feel-good mantras and oh yes, tolerance and this and that and oh yes, tolerance and this and that and oh yes, tolerance and this and that and and you know one one last thing is the and you know one one last thing is the and you know one one last thing is the king and you know we're talking about king and you know we're talking about king and you know we're talking about he's defender of the faith to defender he's defender of the faith to defender he's defender of the faith to defender of the faith just to show you how of the faith just to show you how of the faith just to show you how ludicrous it's it's reached on the ludicrous it's it's reached on the ludicrous it's it's reached on the surface this doesn't look bad okay so surface this doesn't look bad okay so surface this doesn't look bad okay so you know of course uh England is a you know of course uh England is a you know of course uh England is a multiffaith uh country so he has to multiffaith uh country so he has to multiffaith uh country so he has to represent them all or something like represent them all or something like represent them all or something like that but for starters England or Britain that but for starters England or Britain that but for starters England or Britain has religious freedom. So you can be a has religious freedom. So you can be a has religious freedom. So you can be a Muslim, you can be a sik, whatever. Muslim, you can be a sik, whatever. Muslim, you can be a sik, whatever. Okay? So it doesn't need that. Defender Okay? So it doesn't need that. Defender Okay? So it doesn't need that. Defender of the faith historically meant that I of the faith historically meant that I of the faith historically meant that I there's a faith that we believe there's a faith that we believe there's a faith that we believe collectively, us Brits, us English is collectively, us Brits, us English is collectively, us Brits, us English is true, which was Christianity. And we true, which was Christianity. And we true, which was Christianity. And we will defend this. Okay. When you turn will defend this. Okay. When you turn will defend this. Okay. When you turn that singular faith into faiths.

that singular faith into faiths. that singular faith into faiths. >> Okay. What you've just done is said that >> Okay. What you've just done is said that >> Okay. What you've just done is said that your faith is not real because there can your faith is not real because there can your faith is not real because there can only be one real faith. Okay? Yeah. If only be one real faith. Okay? Yeah. If only be one real faith. Okay? Yeah. If faiths means none of them are real. faiths means none of them are real. faiths means none of them are real. Okay. It's just an opinion that we each Okay. It's just an opinion that we each Okay. It's just an opinion that we each he has that opinion, you have that he has that opinion, you have that he has that opinion, you have that opinion. Yeah. Yeah. But you've just uh opinion. Yeah. Yeah. But you've just uh opinion. Yeah. Yeah. But you've just uh so just put putting that little s so just put putting that little s so just put putting that little s >> has just turned the king of England and >> has just turned the king of England and >> has just turned the king of England and here the the ironies just never end. His here the the ironies just never end. His here the the ironies just never end. His entire monarchy is validated and entire monarchy is validated and entire monarchy is validated and justified by Christianity. He is the justified by Christianity. He is the justified by Christianity. He is the Christian king and he is now going to Christian king and he is now going to Christian king and he is now going to defend a religion that in its core defend a religion that in its core defend a religion that in its core doctrines attack Christianity by saying doctrines attack Christianity by saying doctrines attack Christianity by saying things like, you know, there is no such things like, you know, there is no such things like, you know, there is no such thing as a trinity. Christ is not the thing as a trinity. Christ is not the thing as a trinity. Christ is not the son of God. Only filthy infidels will son of God. Only filthy infidels will son of God. Only filthy infidels will say that. We have to fight and kill say that. We have to fight and kill say that. We have to fight and kill them. them. them. >> So, he's not going to protect that >> So, he's not going to protect that >> So, he's not going to protect that mentality. Uh, and yet he's the defender mentality. Uh, and yet he's the defender mentality. Uh, and yet he's the defender of the faith. So, of the faith. So, of the faith. So, >> so like I I read this quote years ago >> so like I I read this quote years ago >> so like I I read this quote years ago and I I'm I made sure it was legit. So and I I'm I made sure it was legit. So and I I'm I made sure it was legit. So Erdogon, Erdogon, Erdogon, >> the guy the Turkey, the president of >> the guy the Turkey, the president of >> the guy the Turkey, the president of Turkey president, is that what he's Turkey president, is that what he's Turkey president, is that what he's called? President. Okay.

called? President. Okay. called? President. Okay. >> He said this. He said because he was >> He said this. He said because he was >> He said this. He said because he was originally democratically elected. And originally democratically elected. And originally democratically elected. And now that's not how it rolls over there. now that's not how it rolls over there. now that's not how it rolls over there. So his quote was, "Democracy is like a So his quote was, "Democracy is like a So his quote was, "Democracy is like a street car. You ride it until you get street car. You ride it until you get street car. You ride it until you get where you want to go and then you get where you want to go and then you get where you want to go and then you get off." off." off." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Abs. That's that's absolutely the >> Abs. That's that's absolutely the >> Abs. That's that's absolutely the Islamic game plan. You just saw him. Islamic game plan. You just saw him. Islamic game plan. You just saw him. They constantly come and they, you know, They constantly come and they, you know, They constantly come and they, you know, the Muslims will tell you, "Oh, we we're the Muslims will tell you, "Oh, we we're the Muslims will tell you, "Oh, we we're going to vote for the Muslim candidate," going to vote for the Muslim candidate," going to vote for the Muslim candidate," right? right? right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, that's not democracy. That's >> Okay. Well, that's not democracy. That's >> Okay. Well, that's not democracy. That's tribalism. Yeah. tribalism. Yeah. tribalism. Yeah. >> That's like a white guy saying, "We >> That's like a white guy saying, "We >> That's like a white guy saying, "We we're voting for the white guy." we're voting for the white guy." we're voting for the white guy." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How does that look? Right. >> How does that look? Right. >> How does that look? Right. >> Uh you're supposed to vote for the guy >> Uh you're supposed to vote for the guy >> Uh you're supposed to vote for the guy that represents what's best for the that represents what's best for the that represents what's best for the society, right? That sort of thing. Uh society, right? That sort of thing. Uh society, right? That sort of thing. Uh but they come collectively, they don't but they come collectively, they don't but they come collectively, they don't even know who it is. It's just a even know who it is. It's just a even know who it is. It's just a Muslims. We're we're because that's all Muslims. We're we're because that's all Muslims. We're we're because that's all we care about. We are a tribe. We're not we care about. We are a tribe. We're not we care about. We are a tribe. We're not here to assimilate. We're not here to here to assimilate. We're not here to here to assimilate. We're not here to have a civic society with you. that's have a civic society with you. that's have a civic society with you. that's beneficial to you and me. It's just beneficial to you and me. It's just beneficial to you and me. It's just Islam 101, but it's it's it's found a Islam 101, but it's it's it's found a Islam 101, but it's it's it's found a little groove and it's exploiting it due little groove and it's exploiting it due little groove and it's exploiting it due to the naivity that's embedded. And the to the naivity that's embedded. And the to the naivity that's embedded. And the problem with Western civilization and problem with Western civilization and problem with Western civilization and society as it is today is it's such a society as it is today is it's such a society as it is today is it's such a it's it's takes it for granted. It's it's it's takes it for granted. It's it's it's takes it for granted. It's very high trust society and then you very high trust society and then you very high trust society and then you bring a sort of parasitic element that bring a sort of parasitic element that bring a sort of parasitic element that is not like that at all that sees you as is not like that at all that sees you as is not like that at all that sees you as the enemy and uh just sees you as a the enemy and uh just sees you as a the enemy and uh just sees you as a freebie. What can I exploit this person freebie. What can I exploit this person freebie. What can I exploit this person out of? I'm not here to, you know, get out of? I'm not here to, you know, get out of? I'm not here to, you know, get along with or like, you know, we saw all along with or like, you know, we saw all along with or like, you know, we saw all these um, you know, financial scams, the these um, you know, financial scams, the these um, you know, financial scams, the Somali, you know, what was it?

Somali, you know, what was it? Somali, you know, what was it? Minnesota, 350 million or something like Minnesota, 350 million or something like Minnesota, 350 million or something like that. Insane. that. Insane. that. Insane. >> Yeah. Because and even in England, uh, I >> Yeah. Because and even in England, uh, I >> Yeah. Because and even in England, uh, I remember watching Muslim clerks, I told remember watching Muslim clerks, I told remember watching Muslim clerks, I told you about the Jiza is, you know, what you about the Jiza is, you know, what you about the Jiza is, you know, what Christians would pay in tribute to their Christians would pay in tribute to their Christians would pay in tribute to their overlord, Muslim overlords. And I, you overlord, Muslim overlords. And I, you overlord, Muslim overlords. And I, you watch Muslims saying, "Yeah, we we take watch Muslims saying, "Yeah, we we take watch Muslims saying, "Yeah, we we take welfare from you guys because it's Jiza. welfare from you guys because it's Jiza. welfare from you guys because it's Jiza. It's our rightfully earned money." It's our rightfully earned money." It's our rightfully earned money." >> They just say that publicly. >> They just say that publicly. >> They just say that publicly. >> Yeah. So that's the mentality. It's >> Yeah. So that's the mentality. It's >> Yeah. So that's the mentality. It's justified by that doctrine. justified by that doctrine. justified by that doctrine. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. There's one I I saw a Pakistani >> Yeah. There's one I I saw a Pakistani >> Yeah. There's one I I saw a Pakistani cleric, Shik Anjam Da Chowudi Chowri cleric, Shik Anjam Da Chowudi Chowri cleric, Shik Anjam Da Chowudi Chowri Pakistani in Britain. And there was a Pakistani in Britain. And there was a Pakistani in Britain. And there was a video of me. I don't know if it's gone video of me. I don't know if it's gone video of me. I don't know if it's gone now, but there was a video of him where now, but there was a video of him where now, but there was a video of him where he says that jokingly. He's like, "Of he says that jokingly. He's like, "Of he says that jokingly. He's like, "Of course we get our welfare. It's Jiza. course we get our welfare. It's Jiza. course we get our welfare. It's Jiza. They owe it to us." They owe it to us." They owe it to us." >> That's the doctrine they used to just I >> That's the doctrine they used to just I >> That's the doctrine they used to just I didn't know that. That's the mentality. didn't know that. That's the mentality. didn't know that. That's the mentality. 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here. here. >> You tell me when you want to pause and >> You tell me when you want to pause and >> You tell me when you want to pause and respond to something he says. All right. respond to something he says. All right. respond to something he says. All right. And we'll just kind of you tell when And we'll just kind of you tell when And we'll just kind of you tell when Trinity when you want to pause, but this Trinity when you want to pause, but this Trinity when you want to pause, but this is the type of thing that it's in the is the type of thing that it's in the is the type of thing that it's in the mainstream, gets injected in the mainstream, gets injected in the mainstream, gets injected in the mainstream mainstream mainstream >> and uh it taints how people >> and uh it taints how people >> and uh it taints how people >> think about stuff. Okay. So, yeah, go >> think about stuff. Okay. So, yeah, go >> think about stuff. Okay. So, yeah, go ahead and toss that. ahead and toss that. ahead and toss that. >> The Ottomans didn't charge churches tax. >> The Ottomans didn't charge churches tax. >> The Ottomans didn't charge churches tax. And so when the Ottomans were in control And so when the Ottomans were in control And so when the Ottomans were in control of the promised land for 400 years in of the promised land for 400 years in of the promised land for 400 years in the millet system, they didn't charge the millet system, they didn't charge the millet system, they didn't charge church's tax. Israel started just a few church's tax. Israel started just a few church's tax. Israel started just a few years ago. years ago. years ago. >> Pause. >> Pause. >> Pause. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes. No. >> Yes. No. >> Yes. No. >> No. No. This reminds me of the John >> No. No. This reminds me of the John >> No. No. This reminds me of the John Espazito quote. The four centuries of Espazito quote. The four centuries of Espazito quote. The four centuries of peaceful coexistence because he says peaceful coexistence because he says peaceful coexistence because he says four centuries. Um and it's just as bad four centuries. Um and it's just as bad four centuries. Um and it's just as bad what he's saying, you know. Uh so no, what he's saying, you know. Uh so no, what he's saying, you know. Uh so no, this is okay. This is like he's this is okay. This is like he's this is okay. This is like he's comparing apples and oranges, right? comparing apples and oranges, right? comparing apples and oranges, right? Okay. You're comparing four centuries Okay. You're comparing four centuries Okay. You're comparing four centuries under Ottoman rule with Christians under Ottoman rule with Christians under Ottoman rule with Christians living in Israel. And it's just, living in Israel. And it's just, living in Israel. And it's just, okay, here's what happened under the okay, here's what happened under the okay, here's what happened under the Ottomans. You're not a citizen. Okay, Ottomans. You're not a citizen. Okay, Ottomans. You're not a citizen. Okay, you're dim. You pay tribute. You're not you're dim. You pay tribute. You're not you're dim. You pay tribute. You're not You don't have equality with fellow You don't have equality with fellow You don't have equality with fellow Muslims. Under Israel, you're a Muslims. Under Israel, you're a Muslims. Under Israel, you're a Christian. You're a citizen. Yeah, you Christian. You're a citizen. Yeah, you Christian. You're a citizen. Yeah, you do have equality. All right? Uh you had do have equality. All right? Uh you had do have equality. All right? Uh you had to pay tribute. You had to pay all this.

to pay tribute. You had to pay all this. to pay tribute. You had to pay all this. And if you don't, you get killed or sold And if you don't, you get killed or sold And if you don't, you get killed or sold into slavery. That doesn't exist in into slavery. That doesn't exist in into slavery. That doesn't exist in Israel. All right? Um, and so what do Israel. All right? Um, and so what do Israel. All right? Um, and so what do you say? Uh, the 400 years. Oh, and then you say? Uh, the 400 years. Oh, and then you say? Uh, the 400 years. Oh, and then he's talking about attacks about how he's talking about attacks about how he's talking about attacks about how Israel there's attacks going on right Israel there's attacks going on right Israel there's attacks going on right now, which and and his point is and the now, which and and his point is and the now, which and and his point is and the Ottomans didn't tax churches. Ottomans didn't tax churches. Ottomans didn't tax churches. >> And this is to me it's such a >> And this is to me it's such a >> And this is to me it's such a disingenuous thing to say because disingenuous thing to say because disingenuous thing to say because literally they didn't tax churches, but literally they didn't tax churches, but literally they didn't tax churches, but they taxed the Christian communities they taxed the Christian communities they taxed the Christian communities almost to death to exist. So that was almost to death to exist. So that was almost to death to exist. So that was part of it. Kind of like part of it. Kind of like part of it. Kind of like >> a Jiza. >> a Jiza. >> a Jiza. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So it's a one big tax. You guys >> Okay. So it's a one big tax. You guys >> Okay. So it's a one big tax. You guys don't give it, we're going to kill you. don't give it, we're going to kill you. don't give it, we're going to kill you. And then once you've done it, okay, you And then once you've done it, okay, you And then once you've done it, okay, you have your little church in your little have your little church in your little have your little church in your little village and you better not repair it or village and you better not repair it or village and you better not repair it or enlarge it. That's what it is. You're enlarge it. That's what it is. You're enlarge it. That's what it is. You're telling me that's uh that's better than telling me that's uh that's better than telling me that's uh that's better than what Israel does with churches. Churches what Israel does with churches. Churches what Israel does with churches. Churches aren't taxed. Uh and what they're aren't taxed. Uh and what they're aren't taxed. Uh and what they're referring to. referring to. referring to. >> Actually, just to interject, we have a >> Actually, just to interject, we have a >> Actually, just to interject, we have a church partner in Israel that we we church partner in Israel that we we church partner in Israel that we we fund. They do great. They're doing just fund. They do great. They're doing just fund. They do great. They're doing just fine. fine. fine. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's it's just it's beyond I >> Yeah. So, it's it's just it's beyond I >> Yeah. So, it's it's just it's beyond I have no problem if he was, you know, if have no problem if he was, you know, if have no problem if he was, you know, if they're criticizing Israel because of they're criticizing Israel because of they're criticizing Israel because of the things that we see like the spitting the things that we see like the spitting the things that we see like the spitting on the Christians or a soldier on the Christians or a soldier on the Christians or a soldier destroying a Jesus statue. Okay, that's destroying a Jesus statue. Okay, that's destroying a Jesus statue. Okay, that's fine. But that is a far cry from what fine. But that is a far cry from what fine. But that is a far cry from what happened to Christians under Ottoman happened to Christians under Ottoman happened to Christians under Ottoman rule.

rule. rule. >> So I'll tell you this like here's one >> So I'll tell you this like here's one >> So I'll tell you this like here's one aspect that did okay. I told you to be aspect that did okay. I told you to be aspect that did okay. I told you to be to be a Christian under Ottoman rule to be a Christian under Ottoman rule to be a Christian under Ottoman rule you're basically secondass citizen. Now you're basically secondass citizen. Now you're basically secondass citizen. Now there was a time due to the colonial era there was a time due to the colonial era there was a time due to the colonial era that they pre because the western powers that they pre because the western powers that they pre because the western powers were so strong especially Russia they were so strong especially Russia they were so strong especially Russia they pressured the Ottoman Empire to give pressured the Ottoman Empire to give pressured the Ottoman Empire to give Christians Christian subjects equal Christians Christian subjects equal Christians Christian subjects equal rights. rights. rights. >> When that happened the Muslims flipped >> When that happened the Muslims flipped >> When that happened the Muslims flipped out and there were mass poggrams against out and there were mass poggrams against out and there were mass poggrams against Christians and then just like something Christians and then just like something Christians and then just like something like which means what like which means what like which means what >> like they just would invade Christian >> like they just would invade Christian >> like they just would invade Christian villages and slaughter tens of thousands villages and slaughter tens of thousands villages and slaughter tens of thousands of them and rape them and mutilate them. of them and rape them and mutilate them. of them and rape them and mutilate them. All right. And the Ottomans would look All right. And the Ottomans would look All right. And the Ottomans would look the other way. the other way. the other way. >> Why? because how dare you Christian >> Why? because how dare you Christian >> Why? because how dare you Christian actually be my equal. actually be my equal. actually be my equal. >> All right, so that was the mentality of >> All right, so that was the mentality of >> All right, so that was the mentality of the Ottoman Empire. Is that what's going the Ottoman Empire. Is that what's going the Ottoman Empire. Is that what's going on in Israel where actually you have on in Israel where actually you have on in Israel where actually you have Christians who are citizens Christians who are citizens Christians who are citizens >> and who you know the spitting and all >> and who you know the spitting and all >> and who you know the spitting and all that. Okay, but that's not that. Okay, but that's not that. Okay, but that's not >> what the Ottomans did like literally and >> what the Ottomans did like literally and >> what the Ottomans did like literally and then and then in the when there was war. then and then in the when there was war. then and then in the when there was war. So we can look at what's happening. You So we can look at what's happening. You So we can look at what's happening. You know, Israel is at war and now know, Israel is at war and now know, Israel is at war and now Christians are suffering more. Okay, but Christians are suffering more. Okay, but Christians are suffering more. Okay, but are they being targeted? I don't know. I are they being targeted? I don't know. I are they being targeted? I don't know. I don't think so. I mean, it's just war, don't think so. I mean, it's just war, don't think so. I mean, it's just war, right? When the war happened, World War right? When the war happened, World War right? When the war happened, World War I, the Ottomans, and this was well I, the Ottomans, and this was well I, the Ottomans, and this was well known, Churchill, there's a quote where known, Churchill, there's a quote where known, Churchill, there's a quote where he says, "Yeah, they used the fog of war he says, "Yeah, they used the fog of war he says, "Yeah, they used the fog of war to do what they've always wanted to do, to do what they've always wanted to do, to do what they've always wanted to do, which is a genocide of Christians." So, which is a genocide of Christians." So, which is a genocide of Christians." So, I'm talking about the Armenian Churchill I'm talking about the Armenian Churchill I'm talking about the Armenian Churchill said this.

said this. said this. >> Yeah. I'm talking about the Armenian >> Yeah. I'm talking about the Armenian >> Yeah. I'm talking about the Armenian genocide, the Assyrian genocide, the genocide, the Assyrian genocide, the genocide, the Assyrian genocide, the Middle Eastern Christian genocides in Middle Eastern Christian genocides in Middle Eastern Christian genocides in the of the Holy Land. 2.5 million the of the Holy Land. 2.5 million the of the Holy Land. 2.5 million systematically were killed. So if you systematically were killed. So if you systematically were killed. So if you look at Israel and Christians at peace look at Israel and Christians at peace look at Israel and Christians at peace compared to Ottomans and Christians at compared to Ottomans and Christians at compared to Ottomans and Christians at peace, Israel wins out. If you look at peace, Israel wins out. If you look at peace, Israel wins out. If you look at at war, yeah, Israel wins out because at war, yeah, Israel wins out because at war, yeah, Israel wins out because once war started, a genocide was once war started, a genocide was once war started, a genocide was launched against Christians. War is launched against Christians. War is launched against Christians. War is going on now with Israel and and Lebanon going on now with Israel and and Lebanon going on now with Israel and and Lebanon and there's Christians there. But I and there's Christians there. But I and there's Christians there. But I don't it's lamentable when anyone dies, don't it's lamentable when anyone dies, don't it's lamentable when anyone dies, especially, you know, a Christian. But especially, you know, a Christian. But especially, you know, a Christian. But it's I don't think they're targeting it's I don't think they're targeting it's I don't think they're targeting them out of hatred the way the Ottomans them out of hatred the way the Ottomans them out of hatred the way the Ottomans and the Muslims did. All right, keep and the Muslims did. All right, keep and the Muslims did. All right, keep going, Triny. going, Triny. going, Triny. >> And uh you know, so that Christians have >> And uh you know, so that Christians have >> And uh you know, so that Christians have pressure applied to them. I mean, native pressure applied to them. I mean, native pressure applied to them. I mean, native believers, the ones who whose churches believers, the ones who whose churches believers, the ones who whose churches have been there longer than Israel has have been there longer than Israel has have been there longer than Israel has been a state. They're the ones that are been a state. They're the ones that are been a state. They're the ones that are facing the pressure that it's very hard facing the pressure that it's very hard facing the pressure that it's very hard to get Christians in America to care to get Christians in America to care to get Christians in America to care about at all. about at all. about at all. >> And their Muslim rulers didn't do that >> And their Muslim rulers didn't do that >> And their Muslim rulers didn't do that during the Ottoman period.

during the Ottoman period. during the Ottoman period. >> Okay. So, the answer is no. >> Okay. So, the answer is no. >> Okay. So, the answer is no. >> You tell me when you want to. >> You tell me when you want to. >> You tell me when you want to. >> The Muslim rulers didn't tax churches >> The Muslim rulers didn't tax churches >> The Muslim rulers didn't tax churches during the Ottoman period. Listen, during the Ottoman period. Listen, during the Ottoman period. Listen, >> they were very kind to Christians. As a >> they were very kind to Christians. As a >> they were very kind to Christians. As a matter of fact, they took care of our matter of fact, they took care of our matter of fact, they took care of our holy sites. They had rebuilt Islamic holy sites. They had rebuilt Islamic holy sites. They had rebuilt Islamic authorities rebuilt the church of the authorities rebuilt the church of the authorities rebuilt the church of the supplr three different times, okay, over supplr three different times, okay, over supplr three different times, okay, over the centuries. the centuries. the centuries. >> All right, let me tell you what he's >> All right, let me tell you what he's >> All right, let me tell you what he's talking about. First of all, the the talking about. First of all, the the talking about. First of all, the the Ottomans were very kind to Christians. Ottomans were very kind to Christians. Ottomans were very kind to Christians. That is that's worse than John Espazito That is that's worse than John Espazito That is that's worse than John Espazito talking about, which is saying talking about, which is saying talking about, which is saying something, right? that I mean I I something, right? that I mean I I something, right? that I mean I I already gave you an example of what the already gave you an example of what the already gave you an example of what the Ottomans did to Christians. Ottomans did to Christians. Ottomans did to Christians. >> The Otto Ottoman policy was um >> The Otto Ottoman policy was um >> The Otto Ottoman policy was um Janiseries or the they would go into Janiseries or the they would go into Janiseries or the they would go into Christian villages and once they've been Christian villages and once they've been Christian villages and once they've been subdued and take the healthiest subdued and take the healthiest subdued and take the healthiest strongest boys and force them take them strongest boys and force them take them strongest boys and force them take them young convert them forcibly into Islam young convert them forcibly into Islam young convert them forcibly into Islam and train them to become jihadists. 10 and train them to become jihadists. 10 and train them to become jihadists. 10 years later when they're ferocious and years later when they're ferocious and years later when they're ferocious and indoctrinated they send them back to indoctrinated they send them back to indoctrinated they send them back to their Christian families to conquer them their Christian families to conquer them their Christian families to conquer them again. Okay, does that sound very kind again. Okay, does that sound very kind again. Okay, does that sound very kind to you? They would take their prettiest to you? They would take their prettiest to you? They would take their prettiest girls, throw them in harams, right? Uh, girls, throw them in harams, right? Uh, girls, throw them in harams, right? Uh, destroy churches constantly. I just told destroy churches constantly. I just told destroy churches constantly. I just told you a genocide, mutilation, raping you a genocide, mutilation, raping you a genocide, mutilation, raping Armenian girls and then crucifying them.

Armenian girls and then crucifying them. Armenian girls and then crucifying them. Okay, this is very kind. I mean, I I Okay, this is very kind. I mean, I I Okay, this is very kind. I mean, I I what that line that he just said. I what that line that he just said. I what that line that he just said. I mean, I I know that very well cuz I mean, I I know that very well cuz I mean, I I know that very well cuz I already responded to it and so has already responded to it and so has already responded to it and so has everyone else. Um, it's so absurd. But everyone else. Um, it's so absurd. But everyone else. Um, it's so absurd. But as far and and look at what he says. I as far and and look at what he says. I as far and and look at what he says. I actually did a video about him and what actually did a video about him and what actually did a video about him and what you about that clip where he it's kind you about that clip where he it's kind you about that clip where he it's kind of weird. I'm not saying that he's a of weird. I'm not saying that he's a of weird. I'm not saying that he's a Muslim, but he's engaged in an Islamic Muslim, but he's engaged in an Islamic Muslim, but he's engaged in an Islamic doctrine of deception which uh it's doctrine of deception which uh it's doctrine of deception which uh it's called and basically what is is um is I called and basically what is is um is I called and basically what is is um is I I can lie to you and it's okay in Islam I can lie to you and it's okay in Islam I can lie to you and it's okay in Islam as long as what I'm saying is literally as long as what I'm saying is literally as long as what I'm saying is literally true but even though it's deceptive. So true but even though it's deceptive. So true but even though it's deceptive. So an example is you ask me, "Hey Ray, can an example is you ask me, "Hey Ray, can an example is you ask me, "Hey Ray, can I borrow 20 bucks and I tell you I don't I borrow 20 bucks and I tell you I don't I borrow 20 bucks and I tell you I don't have a dime in my pocket?" You're going have a dime in my pocket?" You're going have a dime in my pocket?" You're going to walk away thinking I'm telling you I to walk away thinking I'm telling you I to walk away thinking I'm telling you I have no money, but I might have wads of have no money, but I might have wads of have no money, but I might have wads of $20. I just don't have a dime in my $20. I just don't have a dime in my $20. I just don't have a dime in my pocket. pocket. pocket. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, that's not a lie. I didn't lie to >> So, that's not a lie. I didn't lie to >> So, that's not a lie. I didn't lie to you. you. you. >> Interesting. Yeah. So, it's funny >> Interesting. Yeah. So, it's funny >> Interesting. Yeah. So, it's funny because uh the first thing he said is uh because uh the first thing he said is uh because uh the first thing he said is uh yeah, they didn't the Ottomans didn't yeah, they didn't the Ottomans didn't yeah, they didn't the Ottomans didn't tax churches, tax churches, tax churches, >> which is true, but he doesn't tell you >> which is true, but he doesn't tell you >> which is true, but he doesn't tell you that they were taxing and extorting the that they were taxing and extorting the that they were taxing and extorting the Christians themselves to death. Right.

Christians themselves to death. Right. Christians themselves to death. Right. Fascinating. Fascinating. Fascinating. >> And here he says, "And you know, they >> And here he says, "And you know, they >> And here he says, "And you know, they they built they they took over our they they built they they took over our they they built they they took over our they took care of our holy sites. They took care of our holy sites. They took care of our holy sites. They rebuilt the holy supplr three times. rebuilt the holy supplr three times. rebuilt the holy supplr three times. >> He doesn't tell you that it was the >> He doesn't tell you that it was the >> He doesn't tell you that it was the Muslims who destroyed the holy supplr Muslims who destroyed the holy supplr Muslims who destroyed the holy supplr three times. three times. three times. >> Okay, that seems like an important >> Okay, that seems like an important >> Okay, that seems like an important point. point. point. >> Yeah. And that how how they took care >> Yeah. And that how how they took care >> Yeah. And that how how they took care and rebuilt it, the Muslims, was that and rebuilt it, the Muslims, was that and rebuilt it, the Muslims, was that the Christians were up in arms because the Christians were up in arms because the Christians were up in arms because that was the most holy site. And uh at that was the most holy site. And uh at that was the most holy site. And uh at one point, for example, Russia was going one point, for example, Russia was going one point, for example, Russia was going to invade and so they allowed the to invade and so they allowed the to invade and so they allowed the Christians to rebuild it. their own Christians to rebuild it. their own Christians to rebuild it. their own money, their own labor and and also money, their own labor and and also money, their own labor and and also a lot of khifs always wanted the holy a lot of khifs always wanted the holy a lot of khifs always wanted the holy supplr because it was a massive source supplr because it was a massive source supplr because it was a massive source of income and revenue because pilgrims of income and revenue because pilgrims of income and revenue because pilgrims from all around Europe would come and from all around Europe would come and from all around Europe would come and they'd have to pay the caliphate. So it they'd have to pay the caliphate. So it they'd have to pay the caliphate. So it was even from a pragmatic point of view was even from a pragmatic point of view was even from a pragmatic point of view like economics. like economics. like economics. >> Yeah. You want to keep it open. Uh it >> Yeah. You want to keep it open. Uh it >> Yeah. You want to keep it open. Uh it was actually most people don't know was actually most people don't know was actually most people don't know this. The holy supplr was torn to the this. The holy supplr was torn to the this. The holy supplr was torn to the ground right in 1009 by a khalif by the ground right in 1009 by a khalif by the ground right in 1009 by a khalif by the Muslim authorities that are very kind to Muslim authorities that are very kind to Muslim authorities that are very kind to Christians. Totally pulverized. And then Christians. Totally pulverized. And then Christians. Totally pulverized. And then maybe 40 years later another khalif maybe 40 years later another khalif maybe 40 years later another khalif decided okay I'm going to the he he decided okay I'm going to the he he decided okay I'm going to the he he allowed the Byzantines to rebuild it.

allowed the Byzantines to rebuild it. allowed the Byzantines to rebuild it. And uh it it's clearly because he said And uh it it's clearly because he said And uh it it's clearly because he said he he basically said so I can get he he basically said so I can get he he basically said so I can get revenue and income. Okay. So, but is revenue and income. Okay. So, but is revenue and income. Okay. So, but is that how it comes off the way he says that how it comes off the way he says that how it comes off the way he says it? No. They they they took care of our it? No. They they they took care of our it? No. They they they took care of our holy sites three times. They rebuilt it holy sites three times. They rebuilt it holy sites three times. They rebuilt it because you know there were earthquakes because you know there were earthquakes because you know there were earthquakes and and things and and they just out of and and things and and they just out of and and things and and they just out of altruism they went and rebuilt it for altruism they went and rebuilt it for altruism they went and rebuilt it for us. us. us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, it's kind of interesting that that >> So, it's kind of interesting that that >> So, it's kind of interesting that that he's he's doing this toa thing. I'm not he's he's doing this toa thing. I'm not he's he's doing this toa thing. I'm not saying he's a Muslim, but maybe he has saying he's a Muslim, but maybe he has saying he's a Muslim, but maybe he has Muslim friends and he's learned a couple Muslim friends and he's learned a couple Muslim friends and he's learned a couple of tactics. of tactics. of tactics. >> Okay. Was that the end of that clip, >> Okay. Was that the end of that clip, >> Okay. Was that the end of that clip, Triny? Okay. So, let me ask you this. Triny? Okay. So, let me ask you this. Triny? Okay. So, let me ask you this. So, this is something I think a lot of So, this is something I think a lot of So, this is something I think a lot of people are confused by. So, like in the people are confused by. So, like in the people are confused by. So, like in the United States, United States, United States, uh, in general, you have a lot of uh, in general, you have a lot of uh, in general, you have a lot of elections happening right now. This is elections happening right now. This is elections happening right now. This is kind of why I first reached out to you. kind of why I first reached out to you. kind of why I first reached out to you. Um, you got Mom Donnie up there in New Um, you got Mom Donnie up there in New Um, you got Mom Donnie up there in New York City, Rashidita Talib. You've got a York City, Rashidita Talib. You've got a York City, Rashidita Talib. You've got a lot of the DSA candidates that are lot of the DSA candidates that are lot of the DSA candidates that are Democratic Socialist of America. Democratic Socialist of America. Democratic Socialist of America. >> You have this Shiovalier girl that was >> You have this Shiovalier girl that was >> You have this Shiovalier girl that was just elected up there in in in New York just elected up there in in in New York just elected up there in in in New York City that's like, you know, Muslim girl City that's like, you know, Muslim girl City that's like, you know, Muslim girl attended a rally after October 7th attended a rally after October 7th attended a rally after October 7th celebrating the slaughter of the the celebrating the slaughter of the the celebrating the slaughter of the the Jews. You know that literally has public Jews. You know that literally has public Jews. You know that literally has public quotes actually. Will you just do you quotes actually. Will you just do you quotes actually. Will you just do you have those from the shioalier? Uh those have those from the shioalier? Uh those have those from the shioalier? Uh those shioalier like this is a girl that just shioalier like this is a girl that just shioalier like this is a girl that just won an election up there. Do do the blue won an election up there. Do do the blue won an election up there. Do do the blue one first. Trinity. No, the blue one one first. Trinity. No, the blue one one first. Trinity. No, the blue one first. Uh right there. So she's the one first. Uh right there. So she's the one first. Uh right there. So she's the one Yeah. that was elected. Democratic rec Yeah. that was elected. Democratic rec Yeah. that was elected. Democratic rec rep. Uh lose primary to mom Donnybacked rep. Uh lose primary to mom Donnybacked rep. Uh lose primary to mom Donnybacked Dar Deriza Aila Shioalier that you got.

Dar Deriza Aila Shioalier that you got. Dar Deriza Aila Shioalier that you got. Go to that next one that you got right Go to that next one that you got right Go to that next one that you got right there. Nope. The other one. there. Nope. The other one. there. Nope. The other one. the you've got it already pulled up. the you've got it already pulled up. the you've got it already pulled up. Yeah, that one right there. Um uh she's Yeah, that one right there. Um uh she's Yeah, that one right there. Um uh she's like on record like uh we are uh uh we like on record like uh we are uh uh we like on record like uh we are uh uh we are fighting for the total eradication are fighting for the total eradication are fighting for the total eradication of Western civilization. And then you go of Western civilization. And then you go of Western civilization. And then you go to the the next one that you have to the the next one that you have to the the next one that you have underneath that. underneath that. underneath that. Yep. And then you know she like just Yep. And then you know she like just Yep. And then you know she like just openly hates the United States. I forgot openly hates the United States. I forgot openly hates the United States. I forgot to get napkins so I wipe my hand on the to get napkins so I wipe my hand on the to get napkins so I wipe my hand on the American flag behind me. Uh she calls American flag behind me. Uh she calls American flag behind me. Uh she calls white women uh ugly colonizers. white women uh ugly colonizers. white women uh ugly colonizers. Uh she uh like I said attended the rally Uh she uh like I said attended the rally Uh she uh like I said attended the rally after October 7th celebrating the after October 7th celebrating the after October 7th celebrating the slaughter of the Jews. She's for you slaughter of the Jews. She's for you slaughter of the Jews. She's for you know abolition of all borders and know abolition of all borders and know abolition of all borders and prisons. Uh calls the United States a prisons. Uh calls the United States a prisons. Uh calls the United States a disgrace of a country. US service disgrace of a country. US service disgrace of a country. US service members are war criminals is kind of and members are war criminals is kind of and members are war criminals is kind of and and you have more and more elections and you have more and more elections and you have more and more elections that are kind of moving that way. Now that are kind of moving that way. Now that are kind of moving that way. Now what I think is confusing to a lot of what I think is confusing to a lot of what I think is confusing to a lot of people especially Christians in America people especially Christians in America people especially Christians in America is they're always uh they're always is they're always uh they're always is they're always uh they're always progressive. So like we got this little progressive. So like we got this little progressive. So like we got this little clip of mom Donnie right here. You got clip of mom Donnie right here. You got clip of mom Donnie right here. You got that Trinity? this little clip of that Trinity? this little clip of that Trinity? this little clip of Mandamini and this is very normal you Mandamini and this is very normal you Mandamini and this is very normal you know he's at a he's at a pride parade so know he's at a he's at a pride parade so know he's at a he's at a pride parade so this is like him there is a pride parade this is like him there is a pride parade this is like him there is a pride parade and and that's that's pretty normal for and and that's that's pretty normal for and and that's that's pretty normal for like some of the Muslims that are like some of the Muslims that are like some of the Muslims that are getting elected getting elected getting elected >> and I don't know anything about them >> and I don't know anything about them >> and I don't know anything about them like maybe that's how they feel but I like maybe that's how they feel but I like maybe that's how they feel but I think people look at that the this think people look at that the this think people look at that the this alliance of like the the progressive alliance of like the the progressive alliance of like the the progressive left and Muslims and they're like wait left and Muslims and they're like wait left and Muslims and they're like wait you guys are supposed to be for women's you guys are supposed to be for women's you guys are supposed to be for women's rights but it's like that's not the vibe rights but it's like that's not the vibe rights but it's like that's not the vibe of you know Islam and you guys for LGBT

of you know Islam and you guys for LGBT of you know Islam and you guys for LGBT quote unquote rights and that's not your quote unquote rights and that's not your quote unquote rights and that's not your so like let me just ask like what is so like let me just ask like what is so like let me just ask like what is going on in your mind? It makes perfect going on in your mind? It makes perfect going on in your mind? It makes perfect sense to me. What's going on is you have sense to me. What's going on is you have sense to me. What's going on is you have to see beyond it all. And this is now we to see beyond it all. And this is now we to see beyond it all. And this is now we have to get spiritual. Talk about have to get spiritual. Talk about have to get spiritual. Talk about religion. And it's it's what's going on religion. And it's it's what's going on religion. And it's it's what's going on is Yeah, you're absolutely right. These is Yeah, you're absolutely right. These is Yeah, you're absolutely right. These are two antithetical mentalities. I are two antithetical mentalities. I are two antithetical mentalities. I mean, Muslims are draconian, mean, Muslims are draconian, mean, Muslims are draconian, you know, patriarchal, not homosexual you know, patriarchal, not homosexual you know, patriarchal, not homosexual friendly. And then you have the left, friendly. And then you have the left, friendly. And then you have the left, which is the exact opposite. So, how which is the exact opposite. So, how which is the exact opposite. So, how does that work? That's what you're does that work? That's what you're does that work? That's what you're asking. How do they comport? And I think asking. How do they comport? And I think asking. How do they comport? And I think it comes down to the idea of the enemy it comes down to the idea of the enemy it comes down to the idea of the enemy of my enemies, my friend. And both of of my enemies, my friend. And both of of my enemies, my friend. And both of them have the same enemy, which is them have the same enemy, which is them have the same enemy, which is basically Christian civilization. That's basically Christian civilization. That's basically Christian civilization. That's the way I see it. the way I see it. the way I see it. >> And they're coming from different >> And they're coming from different >> And they're coming from different angles. Um, and this actually this does angles. Um, and this actually this does angles. Um, and this actually this does have precedents again, but most people have precedents again, but most people have precedents again, but most people don't know it. If you go back in time don't know it. If you go back in time don't know it. If you go back in time and you had the medieval Christian and you had the medieval Christian and you had the medieval Christian world, uh, we we know the Muslims were world, uh, we we know the Muslims were world, uh, we we know the Muslims were attacking it, right? But also the attacking it, right? But also the attacking it, right? But also the pagans. And guess what? They were often pagans. And guess what? They were often pagans. And guess what? They were often allied with each other. allied with each other. allied with each other. >> Fascinating. >> Fascinating. >> Fascinating. >> And they both hated it for the same >> And they both hated it for the same >> And they both hated it for the same reason. Vikings destroying crosses.

reason. Vikings destroying crosses. reason. Vikings destroying crosses. Muslims destroying crosses. Okay, Muslims destroying crosses. Okay, Muslims destroying crosses. Okay, >> fascinating. >> fascinating. >> fascinating. >> So, in many ways, I see the left as the >> So, in many ways, I see the left as the >> So, in many ways, I see the left as the as the descendants of the pagans and the as the descendants of the pagans and the as the descendants of the pagans and the Muslims are the descendants of the Muslims are the descendants of the Muslims are the descendants of the Muslims and they still have the same Muslims and they still have the same Muslims and they still have the same enemy. Uh, but you know, unfortunately enemy. Uh, but you know, unfortunately enemy. Uh, but you know, unfortunately for most Westerners and most Christians, for most Westerners and most Christians, for most Westerners and most Christians, they don't get that. And, uh, and and they don't get that. And, uh, and and they don't get that. And, uh, and and and it's an alliance of convenience. So, and it's an alliance of convenience. So, and it's an alliance of convenience. So, for example, we just saw Mami with the, for example, we just saw Mami with the, for example, we just saw Mami with the, you know, the gay flag and all that sort you know, the gay flag and all that sort you know, the gay flag and all that sort of thing. And, uh, maybe you're familiar of thing. And, uh, maybe you're familiar of thing. And, uh, maybe you're familiar with this story, I think it's in Ham with this story, I think it's in Ham with this story, I think it's in Ham Tramik, um, Michigan, Tramik, um, Michigan, Tramik, um, Michigan, >> the guy that got elected. Yep. >> the guy that got elected. Yep. >> the guy that got elected. Yep. >> Yeah. where basically it's it I I last I >> Yeah. where basically it's it I I last I >> Yeah. where basically it's it I I last I heard the city council is Muslim heard the city council is Muslim heard the city council is Muslim majority. majority. majority. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it was the left that went out of >> And it was the left that went out of >> And it was the left that went out of their way to bring them in and empower their way to bring them in and empower their way to bring them in and empower them and represent them and once they them and represent them and once they them and represent them and once they became the majority of city of the of became the majority of city of the of became the majority of city of the of the of the city council, they canled gay the of the city council, they canled gay the of the city council, they canled gay pride. pride. pride. >> Yeah. First thing. >> Yeah. First thing. >> Yeah. First thing. >> First thing, right? So again, >> First thing, right? So again, >> First thing, right? So again, >> so all the progressives felt betrayed. >> so all the progressives felt betrayed. >> so all the progressives felt betrayed. >> Yes. Well, and but they're idiots >> Yes. Well, and but they're idiots >> Yes. Well, and but they're idiots because of course I mean that's that is because of course I mean that's that is because of course I mean that's that is Islam. Islam's not on your side, but Islam. Islam's not on your side, but Islam. Islam's not on your side, but they're both helping each other because they're both helping each other because they're both helping each other because their true enemy is the Christian body their true enemy is the Christian body their true enemy is the Christian body is is is really Christianity. And uh but is is is really Christianity. And uh but is is is really Christianity. And uh but it's not the media doesn't show it that it's not the media doesn't show it that it's not the media doesn't show it that way. Nobody's going to discuss it that way. Nobody's going to discuss it that way. Nobody's going to discuss it that way. But that's why you can get two way. But that's why you can get two way. But that's why you can get two diametrically opposed forces who are diametrically opposed forces who are diametrically opposed forces who are working in cahoots because what they working in cahoots because what they working in cahoots because what they really hate is us. Dude, that's honestly really hate is us. Dude, that's honestly really hate is us. Dude, that's honestly so like if I so you know if I like uh so like if I so you know if I like uh so like if I so you know if I like uh take off my history hat and take off the take off my history hat and take off the take off my history hat and take off the history conversation I just put on like history conversation I just put on like history conversation I just put on like the Bible conversation.

the Bible conversation. the Bible conversation. >> There's a really interesting thread and >> There's a really interesting thread and >> There's a really interesting thread and I'm I'm interested I'm sure you've seen I'm I'm interested I'm sure you've seen I'm I'm interested I'm sure you've seen this but Muslims in general they they this but Muslims in general they they this but Muslims in general they they they like to claim heritage from they like to claim heritage from they like to claim heritage from Ishmael. That's correct. Okay. So what Ishmael. That's correct. Okay. So what Ishmael. That's correct. Okay. So what you have in general is you have for for you have in general is you have for for you have in general is you have for for people who are listening is obviously people who are listening is obviously people who are listening is obviously Abraham's born. The covenants given is Abraham's born. The covenants given is Abraham's born. The covenants given is to Abraham. The child of the promise is to Abraham. The child of the promise is to Abraham. The child of the promise is Isaac and then the child that's not is Isaac and then the child that's not is Isaac and then the child that's not is Ishmael. So what really becomes Ishmael. So what really becomes Ishmael. So what really becomes interesting is you have um you have one interesting is you have um you have one interesting is you have um you have one covenant but you have two sons. Well, covenant but you have two sons. Well, covenant but you have two sons. Well, now you got a problem. now you got a problem. now you got a problem. >> And what what Islam historically does is >> And what what Islam historically does is >> And what what Islam historically does is they claim Ishmael they claim Ishmael they claim Ishmael >> and obviously Jewish people and then >> and obviously Jewish people and then >> and obviously Jewish people and then there's a whole Romans 11 theology of there's a whole Romans 11 theology of there's a whole Romans 11 theology of Christians are grafted into the covenant Christians are grafted into the covenant Christians are grafted into the covenant promises that people give given to the promises that people give given to the promises that people give given to the Jews. And and so what we would go is, Jews. And and so what we would go is, Jews. And and so what we would go is, well, man, we're we're kind of we're well, man, we're we're kind of we're well, man, we're we're kind of we're kind of team Isaac is the our spiritual kind of team Isaac is the our spiritual kind of team Isaac is the our spiritual descendants. Now, what's interesting is, descendants. Now, what's interesting is, descendants. Now, what's interesting is, man, you fast forward and uh those two man, you fast forward and uh those two man, you fast forward and uh those two essentially brothers and spiritual essentially brothers and spiritual essentially brothers and spiritual lineages are really striving against lineages are really striving against lineages are really striving against each other for the rest of Old Testament each other for the rest of Old Testament each other for the rest of Old Testament history. Now, where it kind of gets history. Now, where it kind of gets history. Now, where it kind of gets interesting, you may you may think I'm interesting, you may you may think I'm interesting, you may you may think I'm crazy, but I'm just going to I'll just crazy, but I'm just going to I'll just crazy, but I'm just going to I'll just do it. What's interesting to me is you do it. What's interesting to me is you do it. What's interesting to me is you get to John 16. In John chapter 16, get to John 16. In John chapter 16, get to John 16. In John chapter 16, Jesus is talking about the end. He's Jesus is talking about the end. He's Jesus is talking about the end. He's talking about end times. E esquetology talking about end times. E esquetology talking about end times. E esquetology is, you know, the theological word. And is, you know, the theological word. And is, you know, the theological word. And he says the time is coming when they he says the time is coming when they he says the time is coming when they will kill you and think they are will kill you and think they are will kill you and think they are offering service to God. Now I just want offering service to God. Now I just want offering service to God. Now I just want to point this out. Uh I think what a lot to point this out. Uh I think what a lot to point this out. Uh I think what a lot of Christians have thought for the last of Christians have thought for the last of Christians have thought for the last 50 or 60 years in America is oh you know 50 or 60 years in America is oh you know 50 or 60 years in America is oh you know what our big problem is secularism.

what our big problem is secularism. what our big problem is secularism. Secularisms are atheism and secularism Secularisms are atheism and secularism Secularisms are atheism and secularism are a problem. What that verse says is are a problem. What that verse says is are a problem. What that verse says is that the final boss at the end before that the final boss at the end before that the final boss at the end before Christ returns uh and he's gone. Is that Christ returns uh and he's gone. Is that Christ returns uh and he's gone. Is that actually a final boss will be some form actually a final boss will be some form actually a final boss will be some form of religion that thinks killing infidels of religion that thinks killing infidels of religion that thinks killing infidels is good and holy. That's interesting. is good and holy. That's interesting. is good and holy. That's interesting. All right. Now, you fast forward to the All right. Now, you fast forward to the All right. Now, you fast forward to the book of uh first and second book of uh first and second book of uh first and second Thessalonians. First and Second Thessalonians. First and Second Thessalonians. First and Second Thessalonians, and I'm going to put on Thessalonians, and I'm going to put on Thessalonians, and I'm going to put on my tin foil hat here and take this all my tin foil hat here and take this all my tin foil hat here and take this all this with a grain of salt. First and sec this with a grain of salt. First and sec this with a grain of salt. First and sec Thessalonians talk about how before Thessalonians talk about how before Thessalonians talk about how before Christ returns, there will be a quote Christ returns, there will be a quote Christ returns, there will be a quote great delusion that deludes mass numbers great delusion that deludes mass numbers great delusion that deludes mass numbers of people, like mass numbers of people. of people, like mass numbers of people. of people, like mass numbers of people. We don't know what it is. The Bible is We don't know what it is. The Bible is We don't know what it is. The Bible is intentionally vague. But it will be some intentionally vague. But it will be some intentionally vague. But it will be some form of religion, philosophy, ideology form of religion, philosophy, ideology form of religion, philosophy, ideology that is explicitly antichrist. That's that is explicitly antichrist. That's that is explicitly antichrist. That's interesting to me. Now, fast forward interesting to me. Now, fast forward interesting to me. Now, fast forward again to Revelation chapter 20. In again to Revelation chapter 20. In again to Revelation chapter 20. In Revelation 20, uh the Apostle John is Revelation 20, uh the Apostle John is Revelation 20, uh the Apostle John is given a vision at the end of uh of uh of given a vision at the end of uh of uh of given a vision at the end of uh of uh of the throne of Christ before I think like the throne of Christ before I think like the throne of Christ before I think like in the era when he's going to return.

in the era when he's going to return. in the era when he's going to return. And I'm just going to read what the And I'm just going to read what the And I'm just going to read what the verse says. It says the souls of those verse says. It says the souls of those verse says. It says the souls of those who had been and it says it doesn't just who had been and it says it doesn't just who had been and it says it doesn't just say who had been killed. It specifies say who had been killed. It specifies say who had been killed. It specifies the type of death that those people will the type of death that those people will the type of death that those people will have experienced. And it says those who have experienced. And it says those who have experienced. And it says those who had been beheaded had been beheaded had been beheaded because they refused to worship the because they refused to worship the because they refused to worship the beast. Now I just want to point this beast. Now I just want to point this beast. Now I just want to point this out. There is one religion and one out. There is one religion and one out. There is one religion and one religion only that I am aware of, you religion only that I am aware of, you religion only that I am aware of, you might correct the record that has some might correct the record that has some might correct the record that has some specific directions on how to kill specific directions on how to kill specific directions on how to kill people that they disagree with. If I people that they disagree with. If I people that they disagree with. If I understand it right, the Quran calls it understand it right, the Quran calls it understand it right, the Quran calls it striking necks is what it's called. striking necks is what it's called. striking necks is what it's called. Okay, that's interesting to me. Okay, that's interesting to me. Okay, that's interesting to me. >> Now, if you want to do this, you know, >> Now, if you want to do this, you know, >> Now, if you want to do this, you know, in the same way that I'm sure that Islam in the same way that I'm sure that Islam in the same way that I'm sure that Islam and other religions have multiple and other religions have multiple and other religions have multiple esqueological views, so views of how the esqueological views, so views of how the esqueological views, so views of how the end times will play out. I just want to end times will play out. I just want to end times will play out. I just want to know what you think about all this when know what you think about all this when know what you think about all this when I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. >> Um, in in the Old Testament, it's in the >> Um, in in the Old Testament, it's in the >> Um, in in the Old Testament, it's in the book of Zechariah. Uh, uh, a lot of book of Zechariah. Uh, uh, a lot of book of Zechariah. Uh, uh, a lot of people think that what that end there's people think that what that end there's people think that what that end there's an end times prophecy in the book of an end times prophecy in the book of an end times prophecy in the book of Zechariah. a lot of Bible scholars I Zechariah. a lot of Bible scholars I Zechariah. a lot of Bible scholars I think and it's talking about what will think and it's talking about what will think and it's talking about what will happen and that essentially all of these happen and that essentially all of these happen and that essentially all of these nations will gather together and unite nations will gather together and unite nations will gather together and unite to destroy uh Israel to come against to destroy uh Israel to come against to destroy uh Israel to come against Israel and it lists the name of the Israel and it lists the name of the Israel and it lists the name of the nations now the names that it lists in nations now the names that it lists in nations now the names that it lists in in the Old Testament the Old Testament in the Old Testament the Old Testament in the Old Testament the Old Testament names are Gog and Magog Mik and Tubal names are Gog and Magog Mik and Tubal names are Gog and Magog Mik and Tubal I'll probably pronounce some of these I'll probably pronounce some of these I'll probably pronounce some of these wrong Persia Kush putmer and then Beth wrong Persia Kush putmer and then Beth wrong Persia Kush putmer and then Beth Torgam those are the Old Testament names Torgam those are the Old Testament names Torgam those are the Old Testament names Now, but if you if you take the Now, but if you if you take the Now, but if you if you take the geographic regions that corresponded to

geographic regions that corresponded to geographic regions that corresponded to those names and then you go, well, what those names and then you go, well, what those names and then you go, well, what are the 21st century equivalents of are the 21st century equivalents of are the 21st century equivalents of those nations that it lists? They are uh those nations that it lists? They are uh those nations that it lists? They are uh Gog and Magog would be Russia. That's Gog and Magog would be Russia. That's Gog and Magog would be Russia. That's kind of, you know, where it is right kind of, you know, where it is right kind of, you know, where it is right now. Uh Turkey, Iran, Sudan, Libya, now. Uh Turkey, Iran, Sudan, Libya, now. Uh Turkey, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Turkey again, Turkey again. Now, I just Turkey again, Turkey again. Now, I just Turkey again, Turkey again. Now, I just want to point this out. All of those are want to point this out. All of those are want to point this out. All of those are predominantly Muslim nations except one predominantly Muslim nations except one predominantly Muslim nations except one that'd be Russia. But in Russia, the that'd be Russia. But in Russia, the that'd be Russia. But in Russia, the fastest growing religion by far from fastest growing religion by far from fastest growing religion by far from what I understand is Islam. So it's all what I understand is Islam. So it's all what I understand is Islam. So it's all I'll say is, man, I'm not a guy who I'll say is, man, I'm not a guy who I'll say is, man, I'm not a guy who opens my Bible and I'm like, I'm going opens my Bible and I'm like, I'm going opens my Bible and I'm like, I'm going to put on a tin foil hat and here's your to put on a tin foil hat and here's your to put on a tin foil hat and here's your chart and I know exactly what's going to chart and I know exactly what's going to chart and I know exactly what's going to happen. That stuff is interesting to me. happen. That stuff is interesting to me. happen. That stuff is interesting to me. When you hear that, I don't know. Is When you hear that, I don't know. Is When you hear that, I don't know. Is that something you've laid your eyes on? that something you've laid your eyes on? that something you've laid your eyes on? You got thoughts on that? Well, You got thoughts on that? Well, You got thoughts on that? Well, >> I'm very familiar with what you're >> I'm very familiar with what you're >> I'm very familiar with what you're talking about. Um, talking about. Um, talking about. Um, >> you're not going to hurt my feelings if >> you're not going to hurt my feelings if >> you're not going to hurt my feelings if you're like, ah, you're like, ah, you're like, ah, >> I'm more of a predtoist, partial >> I'm more of a predtoist, partial >> I'm more of a predtoist, partial predtoist, which means I'm familiar. predtoist, which means I'm familiar. predtoist, which means I'm familiar. >> Yeah. Which means I I actually think >> Yeah. Which means I I actually think >> Yeah. Which means I I actually think most of the prophecies were actually most of the prophecies were actually most of the prophecies were actually fulfilled at the time. They're not fulfilled at the time. They're not fulfilled at the time. They're not necessarily 70.

necessarily 70. necessarily 70. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah. >> Um, so, and I think and you know, when I >> Um, so, and I think and you know, when I >> Um, so, and I think and you know, when I a lot of people always thought feel like a lot of people always thought feel like a lot of people always thought feel like we're in the end times, we're in the end times, we're in the end times, >> but if you're familiar with history, >> but if you're familiar with history, >> but if you're familiar with history, it's like, man, we we've been through it's like, man, we we've been through it's like, man, we we've been through that for 2,000 years. that for 2,000 years. that for 2,000 years. >> Yeah. Imagine imagine like living in >> Yeah. Imagine imagine like living in >> Yeah. Imagine imagine like living in 1240s in Russia and for like a two two 1240s in Russia and for like a two two 1240s in Russia and for like a two two for 3,000 miles everything's burned and for 3,000 miles everything's burned and for 3,000 miles everything's burned and there's just pyramids of heads, there's just pyramids of heads, there's just pyramids of heads, >> you know. Would you think that's the end >> you know. Would you think that's the end >> you know. Would you think that's the end times? times? times? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Because a Mongol horde just swept >> Because a Mongol horde just swept >> Because a Mongol horde just swept through. Yeah. through. Yeah. through. Yeah. >> So, you know, horrific stuff's been >> So, you know, horrific stuff's been >> So, you know, horrific stuff's been going on. going on. going on. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And much worse actually in many ways. Um >> And much worse actually in many ways. Um >> And much worse actually in many ways. Um I do believe in the great delusion and I I do believe in the great delusion and I I do believe in the great delusion and I think what we're discussing and what we think what we're discussing and what we think what we're discussing and what we call the left and wokeism that is all call the left and wokeism that is all call the left and wokeism that is all part of the delusion. Um and the you part of the delusion. Um and the you part of the delusion. Um and the you know when we talk about like like I tell know when we talk about like like I tell know when we talk about like like I tell you what the west is doing today is you what the west is doing today is you what the west is doing today is unprecedented because it's naive that unprecedented because it's naive that unprecedented because it's naive that all of that I think is is is part of all of that I think is is is part of all of that I think is is is part of that delusion. So that definitely makes that delusion. So that definitely makes that delusion. So that definitely makes sense to me. But my thing with sense to me. But my thing with sense to me. But my thing with prophecies, and this is probably prophecies, and this is probably prophecies, and this is probably unpopular, but uh you know, I I I'm very unpopular, but uh you know, I I I'm very unpopular, but uh you know, I I I'm very much moved by what Jesus said, which is much moved by what Jesus said, which is much moved by what Jesus said, which is like no one knows, not even the angels.

like no one knows, not even the angels. like no one knows, not even the angels. That's right. That's right. That's right. >> But I do know one thing. >> But I do know one thing. >> But I do know one thing. >> A lot of these prophecies, you know, we >> A lot of these prophecies, you know, we >> A lot of these prophecies, you know, we we think about them and we obsess about we think about them and we obsess about we think about them and we obsess about him and it makes sense. I get it. It's him and it makes sense. I get it. It's him and it makes sense. I get it. It's logical because we we think it's going logical because we we think it's going logical because we we think it's going to be in our lifetime possibly and to be in our lifetime possibly and to be in our lifetime possibly and that's exciting. But here's the thing. I that's exciting. But here's the thing. I that's exciting. But here's the thing. I can already guarantee you and everyone can already guarantee you and everyone can already guarantee you and everyone that yes, within your lifetime, you will that yes, within your lifetime, you will that yes, within your lifetime, you will see the end times. It's called the day see the end times. It's called the day see the end times. It's called the day you die. you die. you die. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. When you die, that is equivalent >> Right. When you die, that is equivalent >> Right. When you die, that is equivalent to the end times because it's like a to the end times because it's like a to the end times because it's like a scroll unfolding. There you go. scroll unfolding. There you go. scroll unfolding. There you go. >> And that's going to happen. It might >> And that's going to happen. It might >> And that's going to happen. It might happen today. It might happen a few happen today. It might happen a few happen today. It might happen a few decades from now. So, I don't get caught decades from now. So, I don't get caught decades from now. So, I don't get caught up in like all these um theories about up in like all these um theories about up in like all these um theories about seasons. seasons. seasons. >> Yeah. Because and especially after Jesus >> Yeah. Because and especially after Jesus >> Yeah. Because and especially after Jesus says nobody knows, not even the angels. says nobody knows, not even the angels. says nobody knows, not even the angels. Right. That's right. So, why would I Right. That's right. So, why would I Right. That's right. So, why would I already know I'm going to die and I'm already know I'm going to die and I'm already know I'm going to die and I'm temporal and I my time is pretty short temporal and I my time is pretty short temporal and I my time is pretty short in the in the big picture of things. So, in the in the big picture of things. So, in the in the big picture of things. So, I don't have to even think about that I don't have to even think about that I don't have to even think about that sort of thing. That's right. sort of thing. That's right. sort of thing. That's right. >> Um, but I'm I'm not and I'm not, you >> Um, but I'm I'm not and I'm not, you >> Um, but I'm I'm not and I'm not, you know, trying to I'm not trying to like know, trying to I'm not trying to like know, trying to I'm not trying to like condemn it or push it. No, anyone who condemn it or push it. No, anyone who condemn it or push it. No, anyone who wants to go with that. It just to me, I wants to go with that. It just to me, I wants to go with that. It just to me, I don't find it very useful and it's it don't find it very useful and it's it don't find it very useful and it's it kind of like it's like a bunch of rabbit kind of like it's like a bunch of rabbit kind of like it's like a bunch of rabbit holes that you can go down and kind of holes that you can go down and kind of holes that you can go down and kind of get lost and lose lose sight of like get lost and lose lose sight of like get lost and lose lose sight of like what's really going on. I mean, the what's really going on. I mean, the what's really going on. I mean, the bottom line is yeah, time is up for all bottom line is yeah, time is up for all bottom line is yeah, time is up for all of us one way or the other. and you want of us one way or the other. and you want of us one way or the other. and you want to do the right thing and you want to to do the right thing and you want to to do the right thing and you want to make it a better place and you know and make it a better place and you know and make it a better place and you know and ultimately I've reached the point I ultimately I've reached the point I ultimately I've reached the point I think you know the entire life journey think you know the entire life journey think you know the entire life journey is just all about trying to ascertain is just all about trying to ascertain is just all about trying to ascertain and live according to the truth and live according to the truth and live according to the truth >> and that's it that's great >> and that's it that's great >> and that's it that's great >> you know that's actually what we all do >> you know that's actually what we all do >> you know that's actually what we all do one way or the other you know um and uh one way or the other you know um and uh one way or the other you know um and uh so yeah prophecies that they they did so yeah prophecies that they they did so yeah prophecies that they they did happen they will happen I think that's happen they will happen I think that's happen they will happen I think that's fine I have no problem with any of that fine I have no problem with any of that fine I have no problem with any of that but I I don't want to and I and I but I I don't want to and I and I but I I don't want to and I and I unfortunately do believe it's also being

unfortunately do believe it's also being unfortunately do believe it's also being it's like a mar it's it's a it's an it's like a mar it's it's a it's an it's like a mar it's it's a it's an industry where people, you know, you industry where people, you know, you industry where people, you know, you know what I mean? know what I mean? know what I mean? >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Yeah. So, that that actually really >> Yeah. So, that that actually really >> Yeah. So, that that actually really really leaves a bad taste in my mouth really leaves a bad taste in my mouth really leaves a bad taste in my mouth because I know people are manipulating because I know people are manipulating because I know people are manipulating it for, you know, whatever political it for, you know, whatever political it for, you know, whatever political gain or whatever the message is. Again, gain or whatever the message is. Again, gain or whatever the message is. Again, that's not to say I don't believe that's not to say I don't believe that's not to say I don't believe there's a judgment day or an end time. there's a judgment day or an end time. there's a judgment day or an end time. Um, I just think it's not for me. It's Um, I just think it's not for me. It's Um, I just think it's not for me. It's for me it's simple enough trying to for me it's simple enough trying to for me it's simple enough trying to follow Jesus. I'm going to see how it follow Jesus. I'm going to see how it follow Jesus. I'm going to see how it all works out. That's it. all works out. That's it. all works out. That's it. >> All right. Let me let me end on this. >> All right. Let me let me end on this. >> All right. Let me let me end on this. So, uh, hopefully a note of hope and So, uh, hopefully a note of hope and So, uh, hopefully a note of hope and also I I'm interested to hear how you also I I'm interested to hear how you also I I'm interested to hear how you you'll answer this question. you'll answer this question. you'll answer this question. >> So, first of all, there's these cool >> So, first of all, there's these cool >> So, first of all, there's these cool stories about lots of Muslims converting stories about lots of Muslims converting stories about lots of Muslims converting to Christ in certain parts of the world. to Christ in certain parts of the world. to Christ in certain parts of the world. And we've even got like one of our And we've even got like one of our And we've even got like one of our international mission partners with Lake international mission partners with Lake international mission partners with Lake Point. He's a guy whose dad was an imam. Point. He's a guy whose dad was an imam. Point. He's a guy whose dad was an imam. And this guy literally has a dream, the And this guy literally has a dream, the And this guy literally has a dream, the man in white kind of thing. He has a man in white kind of thing. He has a man in white kind of thing. He has a dream about the man in white going, "Hey dream about the man in white going, "Hey dream about the man in white going, "Hey man, essentially I'm I'm him." And then man, essentially I'm I'm him." And then man, essentially I'm I'm him." And then a a missionary comes and he realizes a a missionary comes and he realizes a a missionary comes and he realizes like that's the guy and was Jesus. Okay.

like that's the guy and was Jesus. Okay. like that's the guy and was Jesus. Okay. So that's like literally how we got So that's like literally how we got So that's like literally how we got >> one of our international mission >> one of our international mission >> one of our international mission partners. Um and it's been really cool partners. Um and it's been really cool partners. Um and it's been really cool like at our church we're starting to see like at our church we're starting to see like at our church we're starting to see like a weird number of Muslims come to like a weird number of Muslims come to like a weird number of Muslims come to Christ at Lake Point. So, like I'm Christ at Lake Point. So, like I'm Christ at Lake Point. So, like I'm walking around campuses and people are walking around campuses and people are walking around campuses and people are telling me like, you know, their their telling me like, you know, their their telling me like, you know, their their families are five, six generations deep, families are five, six generations deep, families are five, six generations deep, Muslim families, and here they're Muslim families, and here they're Muslim families, and here they're worshiping Jesus. So, it's there's some worshiping Jesus. So, it's there's some worshiping Jesus. So, it's there's some cool stuff happening there. I would just cool stuff happening there. I would just cool stuff happening there. I would just ask this question. I'm curious how you ask this question. I'm curious how you ask this question. I'm curious how you respond to this. Um, because that's what respond to this. Um, because that's what respond to this. Um, because that's what we want. We want we want to reach people we want. We want we want to reach people we want. We want we want to reach people for Christ, you know, that's our that's for Christ, you know, that's our that's for Christ, you know, that's our that's like our our thing. like our our thing. like our our thing. What would you say to like a Muslim What would you say to like a Muslim What would you say to like a Muslim person who they're be they're listening person who they're be they're listening person who they're be they're listening to a podcast like this? They're they're to a podcast like this? They're they're to a podcast like this? They're they're peeking their head in a Lake Point. peeking their head in a Lake Point. peeking their head in a Lake Point. They're hearing me. I'm just open up the They're hearing me. I'm just open up the They're hearing me. I'm just open up the Bible, teaching verse by verse every Bible, teaching verse by verse every Bible, teaching verse by verse every week. And honestly, they're hearing it week. And honestly, they're hearing it week. And honestly, they're hearing it and they're watching it and they're and they're watching it and they're and they're watching it and they're beginning to have some doubts about beginning to have some doubts about beginning to have some doubts about Islam and and and you know, all all the Islam and and and you know, all all the Islam and and and you know, all all the things. And maybe for the first time in things. And maybe for the first time in things. And maybe for the first time in their life, they're considering their life, they're considering their life, they're considering Christianity, maybe a little nervous Christianity, maybe a little nervous Christianity, maybe a little nervous about it. If you're talking to that about it. If you're talking to that about it. If you're talking to that person, what would you say?

person, what would you say? person, what would you say? Uh well, you know, it depends which Uh well, you know, it depends which Uh well, you know, it depends which country and what kind of Muslim they are country and what kind of Muslim they are country and what kind of Muslim they are because uh you know, there's the various because uh you know, there's the various because uh you know, there's the various cultural factors that uh might u you cultural factors that uh might u you cultural factors that uh might u you know, pose ill for them. We were talking know, pose ill for them. We were talking know, pose ill for them. We were talking about apostasy. I mean, there's there's about apostasy. I mean, there's there's about apostasy. I mean, there's there's families that will kill you, right? And families that will kill you, right? And families that will kill you, right? And there's more liberal ones, countries there's more liberal ones, countries there's more liberal ones, countries like in Morocco and Tunisia, Lebanon. Um like in Morocco and Tunisia, Lebanon. Um like in Morocco and Tunisia, Lebanon. Um so, yeah, but what I would say is uh you so, yeah, but what I would say is uh you so, yeah, but what I would say is uh you know, I mean, look, this whole the whole know, I mean, look, this whole the whole know, I mean, look, this whole the whole pmics against Islam, this is an ancient pmics against Islam, this is an ancient pmics against Islam, this is an ancient thing amongst Christians and rightfully thing amongst Christians and rightfully thing amongst Christians and rightfully so. and apologetics for Christianity and so. and apologetics for Christianity and so. and apologetics for Christianity and trying to bring them. So this has been trying to bring them. So this has been trying to bring them. So this has been going on for a long time and I think it going on for a long time and I think it going on for a long time and I think it should go on. This is actually one of should go on. This is actually one of should go on. This is actually one of the best ways to deal with the Islam the best ways to deal with the Islam the best ways to deal with the Islam problem. Right? The thing you have to problem. Right? The thing you have to problem. Right? The thing you have to remember is you know and this is why remember is you know and this is why remember is you know and this is why Islam is such a problem in the secular Islam is such a problem in the secular Islam is such a problem in the secular west because it has you can't you can't west because it has you can't you can't west because it has you can't you can't you have to fight fire with fire. you have to fight fire with fire. you have to fight fire with fire. Muslims are believers. They believe in Muslims are believers. They believe in Muslims are believers. They believe in God. They believe in, you know, c in in God. They believe in, you know, c in in God. They believe in, you know, c in in in doing right works. And a lot of the in doing right works. And a lot of the in doing right works. And a lot of the works isn't bad. A lot of it is works isn't bad. A lot of it is works isn't bad. A lot of it is considered, you know, it's not like considered, you know, it's not like considered, you know, it's not like everything they do is evil. Okay? People everything they do is evil. Okay? People everything they do is evil. Okay? People sometimes have that idea. So, in order sometimes have that idea. So, in order sometimes have that idea. So, in order to get to a Muslim, you have to fight to get to a Muslim, you have to fight to get to a Muslim, you have to fight fire with fire, which means you you're fire with fire, which means you you're fire with fire, which means you you're not going to supplant their religion by not going to supplant their religion by not going to supplant their religion by telling them about secularism and uh telling them about secularism and uh telling them about secularism and uh human rights. You have to actually talk human rights. You have to actually talk human rights. You have to actually talk to them about something like to them about something like to them about something like Christianity. That will resonate.

Christianity. That will resonate. Christianity. That will resonate. >> Um I used to watch, his name was Father >> Um I used to watch, his name was Father >> Um I used to watch, his name was Father Zachariah Butos. who was a priest and Zachariah Butos. who was a priest and Zachariah Butos. who was a priest and his shows are all in Arabic and he was his shows are all in Arabic and he was his shows are all in Arabic and he was one of the most hated priests in the one of the most hated priests in the one of the most hated priests in the Islamic world because he would actually Islamic world because he would actually Islamic world because he would actually a lot of Muslims would convert because a lot of Muslims would convert because a lot of Muslims would convert because he would get into the Quran and the he would get into the Quran and the he would get into the Quran and the hadith and talk about the Bible and you hadith and talk about the Bible and you hadith and talk about the Bible and you know well he was a pmicist and um know well he was a pmicist and um know well he was a pmicist and um he was power he was he what he did he was power he was he what he did he was power he was he what he did worked because he was fighting fire with worked because he was fighting fire with worked because he was fighting fire with fire he was going against a religion fire he was going against a religion fire he was going against a religion with a religion going against a holy with a religion going against a holy with a religion going against a holy book with a holy book going against a book with a holy book going against a book with a holy book going against a god with a god and I think that's what god with a god and I think that's what god with a god and I think that's what you definitely need to do as a and this you definitely need to do as a and this you definitely need to do as a and this is why between Muslims. It's amazing if is why between Muslims. It's amazing if is why between Muslims. It's amazing if you look at Muslims in the West, the you look at Muslims in the West, the you look at Muslims in the West, the problematic ones are the the ones who problematic ones are the the ones who problematic ones are the the ones who have been born there two, three, four have been born there two, three, four have been born there two, three, four generations. It's not the guy that just generations. It's not the guy that just generations. It's not the guy that just came over. came over. came over. >> Isn't that weird? And that's because I >> Isn't that weird? And that's because I >> Isn't that weird? And that's because I believe Western culture, the more believe Western culture, the more believe Western culture, the more hedonistic and nihilistic it becomes, hedonistic and nihilistic it becomes, hedonistic and nihilistic it becomes, the more it pushes them back to the more it pushes them back to the more it pushes them back to something to some kind of faith because something to some kind of faith because something to some kind of faith because Islam is better than that, believe it or Islam is better than that, believe it or Islam is better than that, believe it or not. Yeah. So, I'm I'm all for Christian not. Yeah. So, I'm I'm all for Christian not. Yeah. So, I'm I'm all for Christian proilitization of Muslims, and I do proilitization of Muslims, and I do proilitization of Muslims, and I do believe there's a lot of uh uh sincere believe there's a lot of uh uh sincere believe there's a lot of uh uh sincere converts, and I and I think that's converts, and I and I think that's converts, and I and I think that's because they are there's a lot of good because they are there's a lot of good because they are there's a lot of good Muslims who are searching for the truth.

Muslims who are searching for the truth. Muslims who are searching for the truth. And that's why these stories you're And that's why these stories you're And that's why these stories you're talking about Christ appearing to them. talking about Christ appearing to them. talking about Christ appearing to them. They're just everywhere. And they, you They're just everywhere. And they, you They're just everywhere. And they, you know, cross cultures, cross, it's not know, cross cultures, cross, it's not know, cross cultures, cross, it's not it's it's like a it's a real phenomenon. it's it's like a it's a real phenomenon. it's it's like a it's a real phenomenon. It's not something that just, you know, It's not something that just, you know, It's not something that just, you know, it's happening in one area. Happens in it's happening in one area. Happens in it's happening in one area. Happens in Africa and Iran and Asia. Um, so I do Africa and Iran and Asia. Um, so I do Africa and Iran and Asia. Um, so I do believe that's real. Uh, but as far as, believe that's real. Uh, but as far as, believe that's real. Uh, but as far as, you know, what what to say, I'm I'm not you know, what what to say, I'm I'm not you know, what what to say, I'm I'm not a great proitizer. I'm more of a, you a great proitizer. I'm more of a, you a great proitizer. I'm more of a, you know, simple historian, but I would know, simple historian, but I would know, simple historian, but I would just, uh, you know, make the arguments. just, uh, you know, make the arguments. just, uh, you know, make the arguments. Um, Um, Um, >> you know, the the smart way is first you >> you know, the the smart way is first you >> you know, the the smart way is first you dismantle the Quran. But then you, you dismantle the Quran. But then you, you dismantle the Quran. But then you, you have to give it something in place, have to give it something in place, have to give it something in place, which would be the Bible. And that's why which would be the Bible. And that's why which would be the Bible. And that's why secularism doesn't work. You want to secularism doesn't work. You want to secularism doesn't work. You want to dismantle it and supplant it with dismantle it and supplant it with dismantle it and supplant it with secular humanism. That's just not secular humanism. That's just not secular humanism. That's just not appealing. I'm sorry. It's not appealing appealing. I'm sorry. It's not appealing appealing. I'm sorry. It's not appealing for Muslims and Arabs and people from for Muslims and Arabs and people from for Muslims and Arabs and people from that world. doesn't make sense. Uh, so that world. doesn't make sense. Uh, so that world. doesn't make sense. Uh, so yeah, yeah, yeah, >> that's great. Well, you can do the >> that's great. Well, you can do the >> that's great. Well, you can do the history and I'll I'll do the history and I'll I'll do the history and I'll I'll do the procilitization. procilitization. procilitization. >> All yours. >> All yours. >> All yours. >> Hey, Raymond, thank you. Thank you for >> Hey, Raymond, thank you. Thank you for >> Hey, Raymond, thank you. Thank you for what you do. Thank you for your writing. what you do. Thank you for your writing. what you do. Thank you for your writing. I'm going to keep reading your stuff. I'm going to keep reading your stuff. I'm going to keep reading your stuff. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your time. >> I appreciate it, Pastor John. I really >> I appreciate it, Pastor John. I really >> I appreciate it, Pastor John. I really do. Thanks. Thanks for having me. do. Thanks. Thanks for having me. do. Thanks. Thanks for having me. >> Yes, sir.