Should Christians PRAY to Saints!? (Pastors REACT To Viral Video) | Live Free with Josh Howerton

Refusing to reach out to a band of Refusing to reach out to a band of brothers to help you when you're wounded brothers to help you when you're wounded brothers to help you when you're wounded or you've been captured by the enemy. or you've been captured by the enemy. or you've been captured by the enemy. That's not tough. That's stupid. That's not tough. That's stupid. That's not tough. That's stupid. >> We're going to be reacting to a viral >> We're going to be reacting to a viral >> We're going to be reacting to a viral video of a Catholic ceremony with a video of a Catholic ceremony with a video of a Catholic ceremony with a skull from a saint. [music] skull from a saint. [music] skull from a saint. [music] >> If sparks are not flying, then the iron >> If sparks are not flying, then the iron >> If sparks are not flying, then the iron is not being sharpened. If there's not is not being sharpened. If there's not is not being sharpened. If there's not ever moments of friction or ever moments of friction or ever moments of friction or confrontation, then man, you're not confrontation, then man, you're not confrontation, then man, you're not being sharpened the person that God being sharpened the person that God being sharpened the person that God wants you to be. wants you to be. wants you to be. >> Well, hey, Lifree Nation. Before we jump >> Well, hey, Lifree Nation. Before we jump >> Well, hey, Lifree Nation. Before we jump into the episode, this podcast is into the episode, this podcast is into the episode, this podcast is recorded right here at Lakepoint Church recorded right here at Lakepoint Church recorded right here at Lakepoint Church in Dallas, Texas. But the Lifree Nation in Dallas, Texas. But the Lifree Nation in Dallas, Texas. But the Lifree Nation is spread all over the country and all is spread all over the country and all is spread all over the country and all around the world. So, if you've been around the world. So, if you've been around the world. So, if you've been watching and thinking, man, I wish I watching and thinking, man, I wish I watching and thinking, man, I wish I could be part of something like this, we could be part of something like this, we could be part of something like this, we want to invite you to take a simple next want to invite you to take a simple next want to invite you to take a simple next step, and that is join us for church step, and that is join us for church step, and that is join us for church online. Every weekend, we stream our online. Every weekend, we stream our online. Every weekend, we stream our services live on YouTube, Facebook, and services live on YouTube, Facebook, and services live on YouTube, Facebook, and our church online platform. And it's our church online platform. And it's our church online platform. And it's more than just watching a service. There more than just watching a service. There more than just watching a service. There are live hosts in the chat, prayer teams are live hosts in the chat, prayer teams are live hosts in the chat, prayer teams ready to stand with you and people all ready to stand with you and people all ready to stand with you and people all around the world worshiping together in around the world worshiping together in around the world worshiping together in real time. And so whether you're real time. And so whether you're real time. And so whether you're exploring the faith, coming back to exploring the faith, coming back to exploring the faith, coming back to church, or just looking for a place to church, or just looking for a place to church, or just looking for a place to start, church online is a great way to start, church online is a great way to start, church online is a great way to jump in and experience what God is doing jump in and experience what God is doing jump in and experience what God is doing here at Lakepoint, we would love to see here at Lakepoint, we would love to see here at Lakepoint, we would love to see you in the chat this weekend. And now you in the chat this weekend. And now you in the chat this weekend. And now enjoy the podcast. Kick this. Okay, as we say in Bowling Green, let's get as we say in Bowling Green, let's get it. [laughter] it. [laughter] it. [laughter] >> Hey, welcome back to another episode of >> Hey, welcome back to another episode of >> Hey, welcome back to another episode of Delivery Podcast.

Delivery Podcast. Delivery Podcast. >> I was wondering. Okay, [laughter] >> I was wondering. Okay, [laughter] >> I was wondering. Okay, [laughter] >> we're so glad you're here. My name is >> we're so glad you're here. My name is >> we're so glad you're here. My name is Carlos and I'm here with Pastor Josh Carlos and I'm here with Pastor Josh Carlos and I'm here with Pastor Josh Howard and Pastor Paul Cunningham. Howard and Pastor Paul Cunningham. Howard and Pastor Paul Cunningham. >> Did you just almost forget my name? >> Did you just almost forget my name? >> Did you just almost forget my name? [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> You did. >> You did. >> You did. >> I'm here with >> I'm here with >> I'm here with >> this is not how we usually start the >> this is not how we usually start the >> this is not how we usually start the episode, so it just kind of threw me episode, so it just kind of threw me episode, so it just kind of threw me off. But we're coming to you from off. But we're coming to you from off. But we're coming to you from Lakeoint Church in Dallas, Texas. And Lakeoint Church in Dallas, Texas. And Lakeoint Church in Dallas, Texas. And today we're going to have a loaded today we're going to have a loaded today we're going to have a loaded episode. episode. episode. >> Spicy. >> Spicy. >> Spicy. >> We're going to talk about things >> We're going to talk about things >> We're going to talk about things Christians should not pray or it is Christians should not pray or it is Christians should not pray or it is wrong for Christians to pray this. wrong for Christians to pray this. wrong for Christians to pray this. >> We're going to be reacting to a vi viral >> We're going to be reacting to a vi viral >> We're going to be reacting to a vi viral video of a Catholic ceremony with a video of a Catholic ceremony with a video of a Catholic ceremony with a skull from a saint. skull from a saint. skull from a saint. >> We apologize in advance. Father Mike, >> We apologize in advance. Father Mike, >> We apologize in advance. Father Mike, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> uh, >> uh, >> uh, >> his long lost brother. >> his long lost brother. >> his long lost brother. >> How should Christians think about it? >> How should Christians think about it? >> How should Christians think about it? We're going to be asking, should We're going to be asking, should We're going to be asking, should Christians pray for vengeance upon our Christians pray for vengeance upon our Christians pray for vengeance upon our enemies? [groaning] enemies? [groaning] enemies? [groaning] >> How to find a band of brothers and band >> How to find a band of brothers and band >> How to find a band of brothers and band of sisters? Yeah, there's we're going to of sisters? Yeah, there's we're going to of sisters? Yeah, there's we're going to be addressing the hidden gold in the be addressing the hidden gold in the be addressing the hidden gold in the quote unquote boring list of names we quote unquote boring list of names we quote unquote boring list of names we find in the Bible. find in the Bible. find in the Bible. >> That's that's the thing I'm most excited >> That's that's the thing I'm most excited >> That's that's the thing I'm most excited to talk about. I'm telling you, dude, to talk about. I'm telling you, dude, to talk about. I'm telling you, dude, there's gold in them there hills. And there's gold in them there hills. And there's gold in them there hills. And it's not just Carlos, Paul, and me. We it's not just Carlos, Paul, and me. We it's not just Carlos, Paul, and me. We also have our friend, also have our friend, also have our friend, >> bro. I was going to ask you.

>> bro. I was going to ask you. >> bro. I was going to ask you. >> The bear skull. >> The bear skull. >> The bear skull. >> So [laughter] bear, >> So [laughter] bear, >> So [laughter] bear, >> bro. That's a bear. >> bro. That's a bear. >> bro. That's a bear. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> So this is the You got to be on YouTube >> So this is the You got to be on YouTube >> So this is the You got to be on YouTube to see this. So over you need to see to see this. So over you need to see to see this. So over you need to see this. So, we walked out of the podcast this. So, we walked out of the podcast this. So, we walked out of the podcast recording last week and one of the like recording last week and one of the like recording last week and one of the like this is a very like this just tells you this is a very like this just tells you this is a very like this just tells you what kind of church Lake Point is. what kind of church Lake Point is. what kind of church Lake Point is. There's a guy walking around. He goes, There's a guy walking around. He goes, There's a guy walking around. He goes, "Hey man." He listens to Lree. He's "Hey man." He listens to Lree. He's "Hey man." He listens to Lree. He's like, "I got a bear skull [laughter] like, "I got a bear skull [laughter] like, "I got a bear skull [laughter] from this bear I killed bow hunting." from this bear I killed bow hunting." from this bear I killed bow hunting." So, by the way, not just hunting, bow So, by the way, not just hunting, bow So, by the way, not just hunting, bow hunting. Guy got a brown bear. hunting. Guy got a brown bear. hunting. Guy got a brown bear. >> That's impressive. >> That's impressive. >> That's impressive. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, killed this bear with a dagum bow. >> So, killed this bear with a dagum bow. >> So, killed this bear with a dagum bow. And he's like, "Y'all want it to put on And he's like, "Y'all want it to put on And he's like, "Y'all want it to put on a Live Free episode?" And I was like, a Live Free episode?" And I was like, a Live Free episode?" And I was like, "Heck yeah, brother. There you go. "Heck yeah, brother. There you go. "Heck yeah, brother. There you go. >> Live free. [laughter] >> Live free. [laughter] >> Live free. [laughter] >> Are we going to name it? >> Are we going to name it? >> Are we going to name it? >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Are we going to name it? >> Are we going to name it? >> Are we going to name it? >> Yeah. Hey, so help us name the bear >> Yeah. Hey, so help us name the bear >> Yeah. Hey, so help us name the bear skull. If you'll drop potential names in skull. If you'll drop potential names in skull. If you'll drop potential names in the YouTube comments, we will select the the YouTube comments, we will select the the YouTube comments, we will select the best name for the bear skull. best name for the bear skull. best name for the bear skull. >> We're going to pick uh the winner is >> We're going to pick uh the winner is >> We're going to pick uh the winner is going to win a hat because we do a going to win a hat because we do a going to win a hat because we do a weekly giveaway. So, go on Spotify or weekly giveaway. So, go on Spotify or weekly giveaway. So, go on Spotify or YouTube, let us know what name you think YouTube, let us know what name you think YouTube, let us know what name you think we should uh give to our friend, new we should uh give to our friend, new we should uh give to our friend, new friend over there, friend over there, friend over there, >> school. Now, wait, Carlos, but wait, do >> school. Now, wait, Carlos, but wait, do >> school. Now, wait, Carlos, but wait, do your little spiel and then I'll do the your little spiel and then I'll do the your little spiel and then I'll do the the thing. I'm going to the thing. I'm going to the thing. I'm going to >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, setting >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, setting >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, setting them up. Wait, hold on. In addition to them up. Wait, hold on. In addition to them up. Wait, hold on. In addition to everything we said we were going to talk everything we said we were going to talk everything we said we were going to talk about, Pastor Josh is also going to give about, Pastor Josh is also going to give about, Pastor Josh is also going to give us a word on James Talerico.

us a word on James Talerico. us a word on James Talerico. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And if we have time, or perhaps it might >> And if we have time, or perhaps it might >> And if we have time, or perhaps it might be a separate episode because we're be a separate episode because we're be a separate episode because we're testing this now. Uh we're going to be testing this now. Uh we're going to be testing this now. Uh we're going to be addressing accusations against Philip addressing accusations against Philip addressing accusations against Philip Anthony Mitchell on uh charging money Anthony Mitchell on uh charging money Anthony Mitchell on uh charging money for podcast tour tickets. for podcast tour tickets. for podcast tour tickets. >> Yes. And more than that, what I want to >> Yes. And more than that, what I want to >> Yes. And more than that, what I want to do is help disciple people in how to do is help disciple people in how to do is help disciple people in how to think about public accusations against think about public accusations against think about public accusations against pastors. Cuz bro, I I've been looking pastors. Cuz bro, I I've been looking pastors. Cuz bro, I I've been looking for the spot to do this for years. for the spot to do this for years. for the spot to do this for years. >> There's like there's dynamics that >> There's like there's dynamics that >> There's like there's dynamics that normal people have no idea are involved normal people have no idea are involved normal people have no idea are involved in that stuff in that stuff in that stuff >> and I just want to like I don't know, >> and I just want to like I don't know, >> and I just want to like I don't know, dude. I'm like, let me just pull back dude. I'm like, let me just pull back dude. I'm like, let me just pull back the curtain and show people what the curtain and show people what the curtain and show people what actually happens with that stuff. actually happens with that stuff. actually happens with that stuff. >> And it will send a chill down your spine >> And it will send a chill down your spine >> And it will send a chill down your spine a little bit, I think. a little bit, I think. a little bit, I think. >> Now, wait, Carlos, before you go any >> Now, wait, Carlos, before you go any >> Now, wait, Carlos, before you go any further. further. further. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. >> So, he doesn't know this is coming. >> So, he doesn't know this is coming. >> So, he doesn't know this is coming. Trinity, are you ready? Don't pull it up Trinity, are you ready? Don't pull it up Trinity, are you ready? Don't pull it up yet. All right. So, Carlos, [laughter] yet. All right. So, Carlos, [laughter] yet. All right. So, Carlos, [laughter] [clears throat] you have been telling [clears throat] you have been telling [clears throat] you have been telling us, you know, you're a resident Marvel us, you know, you're a resident Marvel us, you know, you're a resident Marvel expert. [laughter] expert. [laughter] expert. [laughter] >> So, here's what we're going to do. We're >> So, here's what we're going to do. We're >> So, here's what we're going to do. We're going to play a little game. And if going to play a little game. And if going to play a little game. And if you're on YouTube, the or Spotify, you're on YouTube, the or Spotify, you're on YouTube, the or Spotify, wherever you can watch it. I don't even wherever you can watch it. I don't even wherever you can watch it. I don't even know where they can watch it. So, I want know where they can watch it. So, I want know where they can watch it. So, I want you to play along. Okay, you to play along. Okay, you to play along. Okay, >> Carlos, I'm going to play you a 1 second >> Carlos, I'm going to play you a 1 second >> Carlos, I'm going to play you a 1 second clip of a Marvel Marvel movie. One clip of a Marvel Marvel movie. One clip of a Marvel Marvel movie. One second.

second. second. >> I'll take it. and we're going to see if >> I'll take it. and we're going to see if >> I'll take it. and we're going to see if Marvel expert Carlos Arzo can guess the Marvel expert Carlos Arzo can guess the Marvel expert Carlos Arzo can guess the Marvel movie based on a 1 second clip. Marvel movie based on a 1 second clip. Marvel movie based on a 1 second clip. If you're on YouTube, prepare yourself If you're on YouTube, prepare yourself If you're on YouTube, prepare yourself and comment if you're going to get it. and comment if you're going to get it. and comment if you're going to get it. >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> one second. That's all you get. And then >> one second. That's all you get. And then >> one second. That's all you get. And then we're going to test your Marvel movie we're going to test your Marvel movie we're going to test your Marvel movie accurate. accurate. accurate. >> Let's go. >> Let's go. >> Let's go. >> Are you ready? >> Are you ready? >> Are you ready? >> I'm ready. >> I'm ready. >> I'm ready. >> All right, let's go. I was trying. >> All right, let's go. I was trying. >> All right, let's go. I was trying. >> Go play it. Drum roll. >> Go play it. Drum roll. >> Go play it. Drum roll. >> This is a big deal. Okay, >> This is a big deal. Okay, >> This is a big deal. Okay, >> here we go. Let's see. Let's see if he >> here we go. Let's see. Let's see if he >> here we go. Let's see. Let's see if he can do it. Here we go. can do it. Here we go. can do it. Here we go. >> I am Iron Man. [laughter] I mean, >> I am Iron Man. [laughter] I mean, >> I am Iron Man. [laughter] I mean, >> man, that's that's the toughest one. >> man, that's that's the toughest one. >> man, that's that's the toughest one. >> You're fired if you get >> You're fired if you get >> You're fired if you get >> Come on, bro. [laughter] That was >> Come on, bro. [laughter] That was >> Come on, bro. [laughter] That was hilarious. hilarious. hilarious. >> That was not expecting I was not >> That was not expecting I was not >> That was not expecting I was not expecting that one. expecting that one. expecting that one. >> That one is from the movie [laughter] >> That one is from the movie [laughter] >> That one is from the movie [laughter] Iron Man if you were correct. Iron Man if you were correct. Iron Man if you were correct. >> I I'm probably the only person who >> I I'm probably the only person who >> I I'm probably the only person who thought that was funny. I've been thought that was funny. I've been thought that was funny. I've been waiting to do that all week. [laughter] waiting to do that all week. [laughter] waiting to do that all week. [laughter] >> I was expecting like a really difficult >> I was expecting like a really difficult >> I was expecting like a really difficult one. Uh but no, I I know that one, one. Uh but no, I I know that one, one. Uh but no, I I know that one, Pastor Josh. Pastor Josh. Pastor Josh. >> That's good. Uh because you were hating >> That's good. Uh because you were hating >> That's good. Uh because you were hating on Marvel like literally like a week ago on Marvel like literally like a week ago on Marvel like literally like a week ago and I said but then I talked to your and I said but then I talked to your and I said but then I talked to your kids and they said they love Marvel. So kids and they said they love Marvel. So kids and they said they love Marvel. So I said, "Man, finally at least some I said, "Man, finally at least some I said, "Man, finally at least some Howards appreciate the fine art Howards appreciate the fine art Howards appreciate the fine art >> of Marvel." The fine art.

>> of Marvel." The fine art. >> of Marvel." The fine art. >> The fine art. >> The fine art. >> The fine art. >> The finer movies. >> The finer movies. >> The finer movies. >> Yes. My seven-year-old who peace in the >> Yes. My seven-year-old who peace in the >> Yes. My seven-year-old who peace in the yard loves Marvel movies. Fine art. yard loves Marvel movies. Fine art. yard loves Marvel movies. Fine art. >> Something they all have [laughter] in >> Something they all have [laughter] in >> Something they all have [laughter] in common. common. common. >> He knows a distinction between heroes >> He knows a distinction between heroes >> He knows a distinction between heroes and villains. And this is a movie about and villains. And this is a movie about and villains. And this is a movie about heroes. And uh you know, heroes. And uh you know, heroes. And uh you know, >> you play your favorite character though, >> you play your favorite character though, >> you play your favorite character though, Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange. Doctor Strange. Boy, we're going to we're going to have Boy, we're going to we're going to have Boy, we're going to we're going to have to table this conversation. [laughter] to table this conversation. [laughter] to table this conversation. [laughter] >> All right, let me do Can I do the James >> All right, let me do Can I do the James >> All right, let me do Can I do the James Tico thing? So, I just want to give uh Tico thing? So, I just want to give uh Tico thing? So, I just want to give uh listeners a heads up. listeners a heads up. listeners a heads up. >> From here, we won't do it every episode, >> From here, we won't do it every episode, >> From here, we won't do it every episode, but from here to November, we'll talk a but from here to November, we'll talk a but from here to November, we'll talk a little bit more about uh the uh midterms little bit more about uh the uh midterms little bit more about uh the uh midterms that are coming up. that are coming up. that are coming up. >> And let me just some people absolutely >> And let me just some people absolutely >> And let me just some people absolutely hate this. And so, let me just explain hate this. And so, let me just explain hate this. And so, let me just explain this and I'm just going to tell you our this and I'm just going to tell you our this and I'm just going to tell you our uh our philosophy on this. And if you uh our philosophy on this. And if you uh our philosophy on this. And if you don't like it, you don't have to listen. don't like it, you don't have to listen. don't like it, you don't have to listen. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] So, so here's the deal. Um, we built a So, so here's the deal. Um, we built a So, so here's the deal. Um, we built a website uh for this. I'm going to talk website uh for this. I'm going to talk website uh for this. I'm going to talk about that here in a second. The reason about that here in a second. The reason about that here in a second. The reason we're going to talk about this we're going to talk about this we're going to talk about this frequently is because there is not one frequently is because there is not one frequently is because there is not one square inch of the universe over which square inch of the universe over which square inch of the universe over which Christ does not cry mine. All of the Christ does not cry mine. All of the Christ does not cry mine. All of the earth belongs to the Lord and the earth belongs to the Lord and the earth belongs to the Lord and the fullness thereof. And very frankly, we fullness thereof. And very frankly, we fullness thereof. And very frankly, we do talk about this and it we get I get, do talk about this and it we get I get, do talk about this and it we get I get, you know, we we I whoever we get crushed you know, we we I whoever we get crushed you know, we we I whoever we get crushed for it. Uh but the reason that we do it for it. Uh but the reason that we do it for it. Uh but the reason that we do it is uh I'll just say it like this.

is uh I'll just say it like this. is uh I'll just say it like this. Politics matter because politics affects Politics matter because politics affects Politics matter because politics affects policy and policy affects people and policy and policy affects people and policy and policy affects people and Peter people matter to God. Peter people matter to God. Peter people matter to God. >> So the reason we talk about this stuff >> So the reason we talk about this stuff >> So the reason we talk about this stuff is I just want to keep especially for is I just want to keep especially for is I just want to keep especially for the dudes that listening you are the dudes that listening you are the dudes that listening you are determining the societal inheritance determining the societal inheritance determining the societal inheritance that you hand your kids and your that you hand your kids and your that you hand your kids and your grandkids in how you engage in society. grandkids in how you engage in society. grandkids in how you engage in society. You are you you are determining that. So You are you you are determining that. So You are you you are determining that. So to put this in perspective and this is to put this in perspective and this is to put this in perspective and this is the kind of thing that drives me nuts is the kind of thing that drives me nuts is the kind of thing that drives me nuts is because like you might say it like this because like you might say it like this because like you might say it like this uh Muslims have a plan for how to make uh Muslims have a plan for how to make uh Muslims have a plan for how to make the nation Muslim. Marxists have a plan the nation Muslim. Marxists have a plan the nation Muslim. Marxists have a plan for how to make the nation Marxist but for how to make the nation Marxist but for how to make the nation Marxist but Christians have no plan for how to Christians have no plan for how to Christians have no plan for how to influence the nation for Christ. And if influence the nation for Christ. And if influence the nation for Christ. And if you talk about it then they're like ah you talk about it then they're like ah you talk about it then they're like ah we shouldn't get political. It's like we shouldn't get political. It's like we shouldn't get political. It's like hey bro if you if if godly people don't hey bro if you if if godly people don't hey bro if you if if godly people don't godless people are and will. So yeah godless people are and will. So yeah godless people are and will. So yeah absolutely man we step in to that with absolutely man we step in to that with absolutely man we step in to that with zero apology or whatever. And to put zero apology or whatever. And to put zero apology or whatever. And to put this in perspective, especially if this in perspective, especially if this in perspective, especially if you're in Texas, there are 16 million you're in Texas, there are 16 million you're in Texas, there are 16 million Christians in Texas. Uh people are Christians in Texas. Uh people are Christians in Texas. Uh people are assuming that Texas midterm race will be assuming that Texas midterm race will be assuming that Texas midterm race will be determined by five percentage points or determined by five percentage points or determined by five percentage points or less.

less. less. >> So there are 16 million Christians in >> So there are 16 million Christians in >> So there are 16 million Christians in Texas, that race will be determined by Texas, that race will be determined by Texas, that race will be determined by less than 300,000 votes. less than 300,000 votes. less than 300,000 votes. >> So just to put it in perspective, like >> So just to put it in perspective, like >> So just to put it in perspective, like honestly, if Christians vote, if honestly, if Christians vote, if honestly, if Christians vote, if Christians just do their job, Christians just do their job, Christians just do their job, >> uh evil loses every time, you know, >> uh evil loses every time, you know, >> uh evil loses every time, you know, [laughter] like that. So, um, and the [laughter] like that. So, um, and the [laughter] like that. So, um, and the reason we're doing a podcast is, uh, you reason we're doing a podcast is, uh, you reason we're doing a podcast is, uh, you know, honestly, I I I, you know, I may know, honestly, I I I, you know, I may know, honestly, I I I, you know, I may be naive. I kind of think I kind of be naive. I kind of think I kind of be naive. I kind of think I kind of think Live Free Nation can actually think Live Free Nation can actually think Live Free Nation can actually influence the dead gum thing. So, man, influence the dead gum thing. So, man, influence the dead gum thing. So, man, >> how many how many downloads a month are >> how many how many downloads a month are >> how many how many downloads a month are we at? Anybody know? we at? Anybody know? we at? Anybody know? >> Yeah. No, just overall. >> Yeah. No, just overall. >> Yeah. No, just overall. >> Does anybody know? >> Just on Apple. So just on Apple last >> Just on Apple. So just on Apple last month we had 3 million downloads on month we had 3 million downloads on month we had 3 million downloads on Apple. Apple. Apple. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Total all platforms we got like 6 >> Total all platforms we got like 6 >> Total all platforms we got like 6 million. So you know just put that in million. So you know just put that in million. So you know just put that in perspective. perspective. perspective. >> Yeah. Hey man. >> Yeah. Hey man. >> Yeah. Hey man. >> I Hey man I think we can move a dang >> I Hey man I think we can move a dang >> I Hey man I think we can move a dang needle. I think so. Okay. needle. I think so. Okay. needle. I think so. Okay. >> So let me talk about this real quick. >> So let me talk about this real quick. >> So let me talk about this real quick. Here's what we're looking at. And uh I Here's what we're looking at. And uh I Here's what we're looking at. And uh I just want to shoot you real straight just want to shoot you real straight just want to shoot you real straight where we're at. So this is where we're where we're at. So this is where we're where we're at. So this is where we're at right now. This is poly market. These at right now. This is poly market. These at right now. This is poly market. These are the poly market odds for the current are the poly market odds for the current are the poly market odds for the current Texas deal. By the way, it doesn't Texas deal. By the way, it doesn't Texas deal. By the way, it doesn't matter what state you're in. Like you matter what state you're in. Like you matter what state you're in. Like you need to engage. Like if you're a need to engage. Like if you're a need to engage. Like if you're a Christian, like let's do our job, be Christian, like let's do our job, be Christian, like let's do our job, be salt and light in the world.

salt and light in the world. salt and light in the world. >> Um, where we're at right now is James >> Um, where we're at right now is James >> Um, where we're at right now is James Terico, uh, Synagogue of Satan, false Terico, uh, Synagogue of Satan, false Terico, uh, Synagogue of Satan, false prophet, James Terico. We'll talk about prophet, James Terico. We'll talk about prophet, James Terico. We'll talk about that more here in a second. He he's now that more here in a second. He he's now that more here in a second. He he's now on Poly Market, which by the way, that's on Poly Market, which by the way, that's on Poly Market, which by the way, that's not a political poll. That's a money not a political poll. That's a money not a political poll. That's a money poll. That's like a Vegas poll, poll. That's like a Vegas poll, poll. That's like a Vegas poll, >> which is typically more accurate. As of >> which is typically more accurate. As of >> which is typically more accurate. As of [clears throat] this week, uh, he's [clears throat] this week, uh, he's [clears throat] this week, uh, he's projected to win at a 52% there's at a projected to win at a 52% there's at a projected to win at a 52% there's at a 52% chance. Now, 52% chance. Now, 52% chance. Now, >> I'm just going to run through this real >> I'm just going to run through this real >> I'm just going to run through this real quick. Um, honestly, what's interesting quick. Um, honestly, what's interesting quick. Um, honestly, what's interesting watching this is I kind of feel like watching this is I kind of feel like watching this is I kind of feel like Satan shifted strategies Satan shifted strategies Satan shifted strategies uh in the last like 5 10 years. And what uh in the last like 5 10 years. And what uh in the last like 5 10 years. And what [snorts] I mean is um you read the Bible [snorts] I mean is um you read the Bible [snorts] I mean is um you read the Bible and it's it talks about false teachers, and it's it talks about false teachers, and it's it talks about false teachers, wolves and sheep's clo clothing wolves and sheep's clo clothing wolves and sheep's clo clothing clothing. And I think most Christians clothing. And I think most Christians clothing. And I think most Christians think about those people being in think about those people being in think about those people being in pulpit. pulpit. pulpit. >> I honestly think some of what's happened >> I honestly think some of what's happened >> I honestly think some of what's happened recently is Satan uh shifted strategies recently is Satan uh shifted strategies recently is Satan uh shifted strategies from, hey, we won't put the false from, hey, we won't put the false from, hey, we won't put the false teachers just in pulpit. we'll put him teachers just in pulpit. we'll put him teachers just in pulpit. we'll put him in politics. One, because Christians in politics. One, because Christians in politics. One, because Christians aren't expecting them there. And two, aren't expecting them there. And two, aren't expecting them there. And two, just be really honest, because pastors just be really honest, because pastors just be really honest, because pastors have been trained not to go there.

have been trained not to go there. have been trained not to go there. >> So, he's like, "Well, if I move the >> So, he's like, "Well, if I move the >> So, he's like, "Well, if I move the false teachers into the political realm false teachers into the political realm false teachers into the political realm and pastors have a deal where like, I and pastors have a deal where like, I and pastors have a deal where like, I don't get political." Well, great. I can don't get political." Well, great. I can don't get political." Well, great. I can put false teachers over there and put false teachers over there and put false teachers over there and they're going to go unchecked by the they're going to go unchecked by the they're going to go unchecked by the pulpit. Okay? So, like, we're not going pulpit. Okay? So, like, we're not going pulpit. Okay? So, like, we're not going to play that game. So, let me just show to play that game. So, let me just show to play that game. So, let me just show you something. And again, I just want to you something. And again, I just want to you something. And again, I just want to show people an example what I'm talking show people an example what I'm talking show people an example what I'm talking about. So, the Bible talks about, we're about. So, the Bible talks about, we're about. So, the Bible talks about, we're going to show you this video real quick. going to show you this video real quick. going to show you this video real quick. And this is the kind of thing it just And this is the kind of thing it just And this is the kind of thing it just blows my mind [laughter] blows my mind [laughter] blows my mind [laughter] where uh because dude it's a lot when where uh because dude it's a lot when where uh because dude it's a lot when the when you look at the polling it's a the when you look at the polling it's a the when you look at the polling it's a lot of like white Christians that are lot of like white Christians that are lot of like white Christians that are supporting this guy. supporting this guy. supporting this guy. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> So it's like in it's like insane. Okay. >> So it's like in it's like insane. Okay. >> So it's like in it's like insane. Okay. And I'm going to show you why it's And I'm going to show you why it's And I'm going to show you why it's insane. insane. insane. >> Uh so the New Testament talks about >> Uh so the New Testament talks about >> Uh so the New Testament talks about wolves in sheep's clothing. What that wolves in sheep's clothing. What that wolves in sheep's clothing. What that means is somebody that uh has a team means is somebody that uh has a team means is somebody that uh has a team Jesus jersey on, but they're actually Jesus jersey on, but they're actually Jesus jersey on, but they're actually playing for team Satan. That's a wolf in playing for team Satan. That's a wolf in playing for team Satan. That's a wolf in sheep's clothing. sheep's clothing. sheep's clothing. >> Okay. So, and here's what you're you're >> Okay. So, and here's what you're you're >> Okay. So, and here's what you're you're going to see it in this clip. It's like going to see it in this clip. It's like going to see it in this clip. It's like you never get a clip that's so like wolf you never get a clip that's so like wolf you never get a clip that's so like wolf and sheep's clothing mask off like what and sheep's clothing mask off like what and sheep's clothing mask off like what you're about to see. This stinking blew you're about to see. This stinking blew you're about to see. This stinking blew my mind. So, the sheep's clothing is, my mind. So, the sheep's clothing is, my mind. So, the sheep's clothing is, hey, I I'm a Christian. I act like a hey, I I'm a Christian. I act like a hey, I I'm a Christian. I act like a Christian. The Jesus thing, but inwardly Christian. The Jesus thing, but inwardly Christian. The Jesus thing, but inwardly they're ravenous wolves. So, here, dude, they're ravenous wolves. So, here, dude, they're ravenous wolves. So, here, dude, here's what you're always looking for.

here's what you're always looking for. here's what you're always looking for. You're looking for the person who says You're looking for the person who says You're looking for the person who says they're a Christian, but they always they're a Christian, but they always they're a Christian, but they always they hate Christ. They hate they hate Christ. They hate they hate Christ. They hate Christianity. They hate Christians. and Christianity. They hate Christians. and Christianity. They hate Christians. and they oppose God's word. they oppose God's word. they oppose God's word. >> So, whenever you find somebody that's >> So, whenever you find somebody that's >> So, whenever you find somebody that's like, I'm one of those Christians that like, I'm one of those Christians that like, I'm one of those Christians that hates Christians and tends to hate hates Christians and tends to hate hates Christians and tends to hate Christianity. It's like, well, that's Christianity. It's like, well, that's Christianity. It's like, well, that's wolf in sheep's clothing. Okay, so wolf in sheep's clothing. Okay, so wolf in sheep's clothing. Okay, so rarely do you get so clear a mask off rarely do you get so clear a mask off rarely do you get so clear a mask off example as this. Now, I'm I'm going to example as this. Now, I'm I'm going to example as this. Now, I'm I'm going to start stop this a couple times, but I start stop this a couple times, but I start stop this a couple times, but I want you to see this. So, here we go. want you to see this. So, here we go. want you to see this. So, here we go. So, here's what he's doing. He's getting So, here's what he's doing. He's getting So, here's what he's doing. He's getting asked by a a more progressive news asked by a a more progressive news asked by a a more progressive news outlet about um the concept of of having outlet about um the concept of of having outlet about um the concept of of having kids read the Bible in schools. So, this kids read the Bible in schools. So, this kids read the Bible in schools. So, this is quote unquote, you know, ministry is quote unquote, you know, ministry is quote unquote, you know, ministry oriented. Uh, James Tarico, oriented. Uh, James Tarico, oriented. Uh, James Tarico, >> preaches in his quote unquote church, >> preaches in his quote unquote church, >> preaches in his quote unquote church, uh, has been to a quote unquote uh, has been to a quote unquote uh, has been to a quote unquote seminary, you know, that kind of thing. seminary, you know, that kind of thing. seminary, you know, that kind of thing. And they're asking about this now. Now, And they're asking about this now. Now, And they're asking about this now. Now, watch, watch what he does here. Now, watch, watch what he does here. Now, watch, watch what he does here. Now, >> show this. Show this here. >> show this. Show this here. >> show this. Show this here. >> One is is maybe the most insidious. It >> One is is maybe the most insidious. It >> One is is maybe the most insidious. It was a new state curriculum that that was a new state curriculum that that was a new state curriculum that that would teach Christian Bible stories as would teach Christian Bible stories as would teach Christian Bible stories as historical facts.

historical facts. historical facts. >> Pause. So, what's really insidious for >> Pause. So, what's really insidious for >> Pause. So, what's really insidious for the the Christian guy is they're going the the Christian guy is they're going the the Christian guy is they're going to put Bible readings in schools and to put Bible readings in schools and to put Bible readings in schools and teach it as historical fact. This is teach it as historical fact. This is teach it as historical fact. This is what's insidious. Now, watch what he what's insidious. Now, watch what he what's insidious. Now, watch what he keeps on saying. Check this out. keeps on saying. Check this out. keeps on saying. Check this out. >> Bible stories as historical fact, as the >> Bible stories as historical fact, as the >> Bible stories as historical fact, as the only truth to our youngest students, and only truth to our youngest students, and only truth to our youngest students, and I mean kindergarten first graders. I mean kindergarten first graders. I mean kindergarten first graders. >> Okay? Now, so he's saying, "We're gonna >> Okay? Now, so he's saying, "We're gonna >> Okay? Now, so he's saying, "We're gonna So, here's what's insidious. We're going So, here's what's insidious. We're going So, here's what's insidious. We're going to teach the Bible as historical fact. to teach the Bible as historical fact. to teach the Bible as historical fact. We're going to teach it as the only We're going to teach it as the only We're going to teach it as the only truth. It is to our youngest students. truth. It is to our youngest students. truth. It is to our youngest students. Glory to God. Okay. Now, first of all, Glory to God. Okay. Now, first of all, Glory to God. Okay. Now, first of all, it's a is a little misleading what he's it's a is a little misleading what he's it's a is a little misleading what he's saying. Go ahead and toss that next saying. Go ahead and toss that next saying. Go ahead and toss that next thing up. The the little uh Yeah, this thing up. The the little uh Yeah, this thing up. The the little uh Yeah, this So, if you actually want to see the So, if you actually want to see the So, if you actually want to see the proposed Bible reading plan, actually, proposed Bible reading plan, actually, proposed Bible reading plan, actually, all they're doing is they're trying to all they're doing is they're trying to all they're doing is they're trying to put a tiny amount of uh one essentially put a tiny amount of uh one essentially put a tiny amount of uh one essentially one Bible reading one Bible reading one Bible reading >> in every grade. >> in every grade. >> in every grade. >> It's a it's literally a few verses in >> It's a it's literally a few verses in >> It's a it's literally a few verses in every grade. I wish it was a whole lot every grade. I wish it was a whole lot every grade. I wish it was a whole lot more. and they're trying to teach them more. and they're trying to teach them more. and they're trying to teach them what the bedrock of American society has what the bedrock of American society has what the bedrock of American society has been. So like, and they're just being been. So like, and they're just being been. So like, and they're just being honest, like honest, these are the honest, like honest, these are the honest, like honest, these are the stories stories stories >> that have shaped our society. Go to that >> that have shaped our society. Go to that >> that have shaped our society. Go to that next one. You can see here like it's next one. You can see here like it's next one. You can see here like it's like a a kids book about Noah's arc. And like a a kids book about Noah's arc. And like a a kids book about Noah's arc. And you'll see it right there. Uh a wordless you'll see it right there. Uh a wordless you'll see it right there. Uh a wordless and deeply detailed uh children's and deeply detailed uh children's and deeply detailed uh children's picture book that recalls a biblical picture book that recalls a biblical picture book that recalls a biblical flood. So this kind of stuff he's flood. So this kind of stuff he's flood. So this kind of stuff he's talking about. Now, keep going. Now, why talking about. Now, keep going. Now, why talking about. Now, keep going. Now, why why is he saying that reading the Bible why is he saying that reading the Bible why is he saying that reading the Bible in school is insidious? Watch what he in school is insidious? Watch what he in school is insidious? Watch what he says. These are kids who who aren't able says. These are kids who who aren't able says. These are kids who who aren't able to to think for themselves yet.

to to think for themselves yet. to to think for themselves yet. >> Boss, yes. That's why we need to teach >> Boss, yes. That's why we need to teach >> Boss, yes. That's why we need to teach them the Bible [laughter] them the Bible [laughter] them the Bible [laughter] because if the word doesn't disciple because if the word doesn't disciple because if the word doesn't disciple kids, the world will. I also would just kids, the world will. I also would just kids, the world will. I also would just say this, okay, so this is a guy and say this, okay, so this is a guy and say this, okay, so this is a guy and I'll get to this in a second, like very I'll get to this in a second, like very I'll get to this in a second, like very ardently has supported gender affirming ardently has supported gender affirming ardently has supported gender affirming care. So it's like, so his whole thing care. So it's like, so his whole thing care. So it's like, so his whole thing is we can't expose kids to the Bible is we can't expose kids to the Bible is we can't expose kids to the Bible because they can't think for themselves, because they can't think for themselves, because they can't think for themselves, Carlos. Yeah. Carlos. Yeah. Carlos. Yeah. >> But you know what? a kid who can't think >> But you know what? a kid who can't think >> But you know what? a kid who can't think for themselves can do for themselves can do for themselves can do >> choose to become a different gender. I'm >> choose to become a different gender. I'm >> choose to become a different gender. I'm like, bro, pick a lane. [laughter] like, bro, pick a lane. [laughter] like, bro, pick a lane. [laughter] >> Like, pick a lane. All right. Now, keep >> Like, pick a lane. All right. Now, keep >> Like, pick a lane. All right. Now, keep going. going. going. >> They haven't formed their own world >> They haven't formed their own world >> They haven't formed their own world to push propaganda to push to push propaganda to push to push propaganda to push [clears throat] indoctrination on those [clears throat] indoctrination on those [clears throat] indoctrination on those youngest students uh is deeply immoral. youngest students uh is deeply immoral. youngest students uh is deeply immoral. >> Okay, there it is. So, first of all, >> Okay, there it is. So, first of all, >> Okay, there it is. So, first of all, it's not indoctrination. There's a it's not indoctrination. There's a it's not indoctrination. There's a difference between indoctrination and difference between indoctrination and difference between indoctrination and teaching good doctrine. That's what teaching good doctrine. That's what teaching good doctrine. That's what forms actual disciples. And then I just forms actual disciples. And then I just forms actual disciples. And then I just want to key in on this and then I just want to key in on this and then I just want to key in on this and then I just again all I'm trying to do if you're again all I'm trying to do if you're again all I'm trying to do if you're listening is I want 0% of live free listening is I want 0% of live free listening is I want 0% of live free nation to be the type of of people who nation to be the type of of people who nation to be the type of of people who are easily deceived by false teaching are easily deceived by false teaching are easily deceived by false teaching and false teachers.

and false teachers. and false teachers. >> So I just want you to notice this. So >> So I just want you to notice this. So >> So I just want you to notice this. So what is he saying is quote unquote what is he saying is quote unquote what is he saying is quote unquote deeply immoral teaching the Bible. Now deeply immoral teaching the Bible. Now deeply immoral teaching the Bible. Now let me just ri rifle through what are let me just ri rifle through what are let me just ri rifle through what are things that he has publicly said would things that he has publicly said would things that he has publicly said would be moral be moral be moral >> for kids to be exposed to. Let's so the >> for kids to be exposed to. Let's so the >> for kids to be exposed to. Let's so the Bible immoral. Bible immoral. Bible immoral. >> So what are things that he has publicly >> So what are things that he has publicly >> So what are things that he has publicly said would be immoral? Now I'm going to said would be immoral? Now I'm going to said would be immoral? Now I'm going to rapid fire these and it's just going to rapid fire these and it's just going to rapid fire these and it's just going to be like getting waterboarded by the fire be like getting waterboarded by the fire be like getting waterboarded by the fire of hell. Okay, this is what you're going of hell. Okay, this is what you're going of hell. Okay, this is what you're going to get. So number one here you got he to get. So number one here you got he to get. So number one here you got he says I'm co-authoring legislation to says I'm co-authoring legislation to says I'm co-authoring legislation to explicitly teach DEI in our schools. So, explicitly teach DEI in our schools. So, explicitly teach DEI in our schools. So, number one, uh, DEI policies. That would number one, uh, DEI policies. That would number one, uh, DEI policies. That would be very moral to expose kids to. Number be very moral to expose kids to. Number be very moral to expose kids to. Number two, I won't even read it. It's kind of two, I won't even read it. It's kind of two, I won't even read it. It's kind of gross. The glories of gay sex and that gross. The glories of gay sex and that gross. The glories of gay sex and that your kids can choose their own gender. your kids can choose their own gender. your kids can choose their own gender. Those are the actual uh the actual Those are the actual uh the actual Those are the actual uh the actual children's books in the church that he children's books in the church that he children's books in the church that he has been in uh in leadership or preached has been in uh in leadership or preached has been in uh in leadership or preached at before. Number three, what else would at before. Number three, what else would at before. Number three, what else would be moral? Uh, that God approves of your be moral? Uh, that God approves of your be moral? Uh, that God approves of your kids being taught transgender ideology. kids being taught transgender ideology. kids being taught transgender ideology. This guy, he tried to stop he tried to This guy, he tried to stop he tried to This guy, he tried to stop he tried to block the stoppage of gender block the stoppage of gender block the stoppage of gender reassignment surgeries for minors, reassignment surgeries for minors, reassignment surgeries for minors, puberty blocker blockers for minors, and puberty blocker blockers for minors, and puberty blocker blockers for minors, and cross- sex hormones for minors. So, that cross- sex hormones for minors. So, that cross- sex hormones for minors. So, that stuff would be very moral to expose kids stuff would be very moral to expose kids stuff would be very moral to expose kids to. Uh, next thing you're going to see to. Uh, next thing you're going to see to. Uh, next thing you're going to see right here, what would be very moral is right here, what would be very moral is right here, what would be very moral is teaching children that the Ten teaching children that the Ten teaching children that the Ten Commandments are hurtful and unloving.

Commandments are hurtful and unloving. Commandments are hurtful and unloving. This is what his statement was about the This is what his statement was about the This is what his statement was about the concept of the Ten Commandments being concept of the Ten Commandments being concept of the Ten Commandments being posted on uh Texas classroom walls. That posted on uh Texas classroom walls. That posted on uh Texas classroom walls. That would be hurtful and unloving to people would be hurtful and unloving to people would be hurtful and unloving to people believe differently. Let's go to the believe differently. Let's go to the believe differently. Let's go to the next one. He really really uh doesn't next one. He really really uh doesn't next one. He really really uh doesn't like the Bible being taught to children, like the Bible being taught to children, like the Bible being taught to children, but you know what he really does like? but you know what he really does like? but you know what he really does like? Trans children. That's what he really Trans children. That's what he really Trans children. That's what he really really likes. Love seeing that. Next really likes. Love seeing that. Next really likes. Love seeing that. Next one. Um what he would really like people one. Um what he would really like people one. Um what he would really like people to be exposed to is the highest form of to be exposed to is the highest form of to be exposed to is the highest form of blasphemy. One of them that I've ever blasphemy. One of them that I've ever blasphemy. One of them that I've ever seen. That God is non-binary. That would seen. That God is non-binary. That would seen. That God is non-binary. That would be really great thing. That would be be really great thing. That would be be really great thing. That would be moral. The next one for children's moral. The next one for children's moral. The next one for children's sports in particular, what would be sports in particular, what would be sports in particular, what would be moral for him is that society should be moral for him is that society should be moral for him is that society should be restructured around the eraser of restructured around the eraser of restructured around the eraser of gender. You got it right there. would gender. You got it right there. would gender. You got it right there. would also be moral. Go to the next one is the also be moral. Go to the next one is the also be moral. Go to the next one is the concept that there are six genders. concept that there are six genders. concept that there are six genders. There's not two genders, there are six There's not two genders, there are six There's not two genders, there are six genders. That would be very moral to genders. That would be very moral to genders. That would be very moral to expose people to. And of course, the one expose people to. And of course, the one expose people to. And of course, the one that you're always going to run into. I that you're always going to run into. I that you're always going to run into. I I can't show the entire clip. I'm just I can't show the entire clip. I'm just I can't show the entire clip. I'm just going to read the bottom. This is from a going to read the bottom. This is from a going to read the bottom. This is from a James Terico quote unquote sermon. James Terico quote unquote sermon. James Terico quote unquote sermon. Before we go further, I want to Before we go further, I want to Before we go further, I want to acknowledge that our trans community acknowledge that our trans community acknowledge that our trans community needs abortion care, too. I have many needs abortion care, too. I have many needs abortion care, too. I have many questions. I don't want any answers. I questions. I don't want any answers. I questions. I don't want any answers. I have no idea what that even means. So, I have no idea what that even means. So, I have no idea what that even means. So, I just want to point this out. You can't just want to point this out. You can't just want to point this out. You can't teach the Bible to kids, but we teach the Bible to kids, but we teach the Bible to kids, but we definitely want you to be able to kill definitely want you to be able to kill definitely want you to be able to kill them.

them. them. >> In fact, just go to that next one. What >> In fact, just go to that next one. What >> In fact, just go to that next one. What you got right here? Again, where does you got right here? Again, where does you got right here? Again, where does He's going, "Hey, teaching the Bible He's going, "Hey, teaching the Bible He's going, "Hey, teaching the Bible would be immoral to kids. What would be would be immoral to kids. What would be would be immoral to kids. What would be moral for kids?" Last thing, this you moral for kids?" Last thing, this you moral for kids?" Last thing, this you actually, you can read this article or actually, you can read this article or actually, you can read this article or this uh letter yourself. He he requested this uh letter yourself. He he requested this uh letter yourself. He he requested that Joe Biden put abortion clinics in that Joe Biden put abortion clinics in that Joe Biden put abortion clinics in every federal courthouse and national every federal courthouse and national every federal courthouse and national park. park. park. So essentially it's like, "Hey kids, So essentially it's like, "Hey kids, So essentially it's like, "Hey kids, here's a playground and a place where here's a playground and a place where here's a playground and a place where you can feed the ducks and here's where you can feed the ducks and here's where you can feed the ducks and here's where we can snip your spinal cord with we can snip your spinal cord with we can snip your spinal cord with sutures. This is what we want." Okay? So sutures. This is what we want." Okay? So sutures. This is what we want." Okay? So again, you could go all in on this. If again, you could go all in on this. If again, you could go all in on this. If you just zoom out, basically what you you just zoom out, basically what you you just zoom out, basically what you see is if it's from team Satan, he's for see is if it's from team Satan, he's for see is if it's from team Satan, he's for it. it. it. >> And if it's from team Jesus, he's >> And if it's from team Jesus, he's >> And if it's from team Jesus, he's against it. That, my friends, is not a against it. That, my friends, is not a against it. That, my friends, is not a politician. That is a wolf in sheep's politician. That is a wolf in sheep's politician. That is a wolf in sheep's clothing who slithered out of the pulpit clothing who slithered out of the pulpit clothing who slithered out of the pulpit and into politics. That's what that guy and into politics. That's what that guy and into politics. That's what that guy is. Okay. Now, here's what here's what is. Okay. Now, here's what here's what is. Okay. Now, here's what here's what I'll say is um again what you got is I'll say is um again what you got is I'll say is um again what you got is >> those these midterm elections in >> those these midterm elections in >> those these midterm elections in particular, they're determined by like particular, they're determined by like particular, they're determined by like very small margins. So, uh we're like very small margins. So, uh we're like very small margins. So, uh we're like actually instead of just talking about actually instead of just talking about actually instead of just talking about it, we're going to be about it and do so it, we're going to be about it and do so it, we're going to be about it and do so here's what you can do. We actually here's what you can do. We actually here's what you can do. We actually personally paid to have a website built.

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>> Uh one or two. Yeah. >> Uh one or two. Yeah. >> Okay. either one or two only. >> Okay. either one or two only. >> Okay. either one or two only. >> That will just remind you the day of or >> That will just remind you the day of or >> That will just remind you the day of or before midterm voting. before midterm voting. before midterm voting. >> Uh before >> Uh before >> Uh before midterm voting, wherever you're at, midterm voting, wherever you're at, midterm voting, wherever you're at, >> it will just send you one text reminder >> it will just send you one text reminder >> it will just send you one text reminder like, "Hey, midterm voting starts like, "Hey, midterm voting starts like, "Hey, midterm voting starts tomorrow." tomorrow." tomorrow." >> So, uh I don't know, man. Let's see. >> So, uh I don't know, man. Let's see. >> So, uh I don't know, man. Let's see. We'll take a crack at it and see what We'll take a crack at it and see what We'll take a crack at it and see what happens. I'm going to have fun doing it. happens. I'm going to have fun doing it. happens. I'm going to have fun doing it. >> Man, that's really helpful because it is >> Man, that's really helpful because it is >> Man, that's really helpful because it is weird uh for somebody that claims to be weird uh for somebody that claims to be weird uh for somebody that claims to be a Christian minister to be for James a Christian minister to be for James a Christian minister to be for James Helerico to be continuously opposing Helerico to be continuously opposing Helerico to be continuously opposing everything. uh that the Bible says. So, everything. uh that the Bible says. So, everything. uh that the Bible says. So, it's this idea of tolerant about it's this idea of tolerant about it's this idea of tolerant about everything except the Bible, affirming everything except the Bible, affirming everything except the Bible, affirming of everything except Christianity, and of everything except Christianity, and of everything except Christianity, and uh inclusive of everything except uh inclusive of everything except uh inclusive of everything except Christians. That's right. Christians. That's right. Christians. That's right. >> And so, uh that's really helpful for you >> And so, uh that's really helpful for you >> And so, uh that's really helpful for you to share. to share. to share. >> I think it' be great, dude. That's >> I think it' be great, dude. That's >> I think it' be great, dude. That's awesome. awesome. awesome. >> It's going to be great. Was there >> It's going to be great. Was there >> It's going to be great. Was there anything else we were going to anything else we were going to anything else we were going to celebrate? There's something we're going celebrate? There's something we're going celebrate? There's something we're going to celebrate, right? Uh this last week, to celebrate, right? Uh this last week, to celebrate, right? Uh this last week, >> we have a lot of people a lot of new >> we have a lot of people a lot of new >> we have a lot of people a lot of new people coming in church this season. people coming in church this season. people coming in church this season. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> A lot of new people. >> A lot of new people. >> A lot of new people. >> Um Live Free Nation people that are >> Um Live Free Nation people that are >> Um Live Free Nation people that are finding the church because of the finding the church because of the finding the church because of the podcast. They're literally like the podcast. They're literally like the podcast. They're literally like the stories are incredible.

stories are incredible. stories are incredible. >> It's dumb, dude. It's dumb. I will I >> It's dumb, dude. It's dumb. I will I >> It's dumb, dude. It's dumb. I will I actually won't uh I will details omitted actually won't uh I will details omitted actually won't uh I will details omitted >> for what will become obvious reasons. >> for what will become obvious reasons. >> for what will become obvious reasons. Let me tell one story and then what are Let me tell one story and then what are Let me tell one story and then what are we doing? We getting right into the word we doing? We getting right into the word we doing? We getting right into the word diving in I talked for a long time. I diving in I talked for a long time. I diving in I talked for a long time. I need a 30 second break. It was great. need a 30 second break. It was great. need a 30 second break. It was great. So, uh dude, so this is this is gonna So, uh dude, so this is this is gonna So, uh dude, so this is this is gonna blow your mind. So, and I'll explain blow your mind. So, and I'll explain blow your mind. So, and I'll explain more about this as it comes. guy shows more about this as it comes. guy shows more about this as it comes. guy shows up to one of our campuses, which well up to one of our campuses, which well up to one of our campuses, which well shall remain nameless. First time ever shall remain nameless. First time ever shall remain nameless. First time ever at Lake Point. You know what story I'm at Lake Point. You know what story I'm at Lake Point. You know what story I'm gonna tell? No. Brother's the best ever. gonna tell? No. Brother's the best ever. gonna tell? No. Brother's the best ever. It It It >> is. >> is. >> is. >> Uh and his um uh I'll just say one of >> Uh and his um uh I'll just say one of >> Uh and his um uh I'll just say one of his children uh is in a correctional his children uh is in a correctional his children uh is in a correctional facility and will probably be in a facility and will probably be in a facility and will probably be in a correctional facility potentially for correctional facility potentially for correctional facility potentially for the rest of his or her life. the rest of his or her life. the rest of his or her life. and uh they started watching uh live and uh they started watching uh live and uh they started watching uh live free and like point Bible teaching in free and like point Bible teaching in free and like point Bible teaching in prison prison prison >> and let their dad know and that had >> and let their dad know and that had >> and let their dad know and that had never happened before. Hey, my kid is never happened before. Hey, my kid is never happened before. Hey, my kid is watching Bible teaching. And so this guy watching Bible teaching. And so this guy watching Bible teaching. And so this guy stumbles into one of our campuses, this stumbles into one of our campuses, this stumbles into one of our campuses, this dad that hadn't seen his kid in 18 dad that hadn't seen his kid in 18 dad that hadn't seen his kid in 18 years. And he says that he came this years. And he says that he came this years. And he says that he came this week because for the first time in his week because for the first time in his week because for the first time in his life, he wanted to quote attend church life, he wanted to quote attend church life, he wanted to quote attend church with his child for the first time ever.

with his child for the first time ever. with his child for the first time ever. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So he was like, "Hey man, my kid is >> So he was like, "Hey man, my kid is >> So he was like, "Hey man, my kid is going to be watching this from a going to be watching this from a going to be watching this from a correctional facility. I want to be in correctional facility. I want to be in correctional facility. I want to be in the same service they're watching so the same service they're watching so the same service they're watching so that for the first time in my life I can that for the first time in my life I can that for the first time in my life I can quote unquote go to church with one of quote unquote go to church with one of quote unquote go to church with one of my kids bro [laughter] the world my kids bro [laughter] the world my kids bro [laughter] the world >> like dude I think I can die and go to >> like dude I think I can die and go to >> like dude I think I can die and go to heaven now heaven now heaven now >> that's amazing >> that's amazing >> that's amazing >> I got to meet him that day it was >> I got to meet him that day it was >> I got to meet him that day it was special special special >> it was so special I got to meet him was >> it was so special I got to meet him was >> it was so special I got to meet him was so special it's one of those situations so special it's one of those situations so special it's one of those situations we're like God thank you for using us we we're like God thank you for using us we we're like God thank you for using us we ain't this good but thank you for using ain't this good but thank you for using ain't this good but thank you for using us us us >> we uh we literally hear stories like >> we uh we literally hear stories like >> we uh we literally hear stories like literally every single weekend all literally every single weekend all literally every single weekend all across our different campuses so again across our different campuses so again across our different campuses so again if you're ever in the DFA the area and if you're ever in the DFA the area and if you're ever in the DFA the area and you've never attended one of our you've never attended one of our you've never attended one of our physical locations, we'd love to have physical locations, we'd love to have physical locations, we'd love to have you. Also, we try really hard to help you. Also, we try really hard to help you. Also, we try really hard to help people in their disciplehip journey. So, people in their disciplehip journey. So, people in their disciplehip journey. So, um people might not know this, but we um people might not know this, but we um people might not know this, but we actually have a daily Bible reading plan actually have a daily Bible reading plan actually have a daily Bible reading plan available for you as well, plus the available for you as well, plus the available for you as well, plus the weekly sermon plus delivery uh podcast weekly sermon plus delivery uh podcast weekly sermon plus delivery uh podcast episode. Uh you can get this in the episode. Uh you can get this in the episode. Uh you can get this in the Lakeoint app. So, to download it, you Lakeoint app. So, to download it, you Lakeoint app. So, to download it, you can text the word app to20411. We just can text the word app to20411. We just can text the word app to20411. We just wrapped our week number three of Fight wrapped our week number three of Fight wrapped our week number three of Fight the Good Fight. And so, Pastor Josh, the Good Fight. And so, Pastor Josh, the Good Fight. And so, Pastor Josh, great job with the sermon.

great job with the sermon. great job with the sermon. >> Thank you, man. >> Thank you, man. >> Thank you, man. >> Hey, bro. You're a you're a good >> Hey, bro. You're a you're a good >> Hey, bro. You're a you're a good preacher. preacher. preacher. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Depends on the week. >> Depends on the week. >> Depends on the week. >> You should be a preacher for a living. >> You should be a preacher for a living. >> You should be a preacher for a living. >> Depends on the week. >> Depends on the week. >> Depends on the week. >> Uh I have a question. I tell you >> Uh I have a question. I tell you >> Uh I have a question. I tell you something. something. something. >> Oh yeah. Go ahead. >> Oh yeah. Go ahead. >> Oh yeah. Go ahead. >> This is uh so this is Jana like every >> This is uh so this is Jana like every >> This is uh so this is Jana like every week when I walk off stage after week when I walk off stage after week when I walk off stage after preaching the first service, Jan's preaching the first service, Jan's preaching the first service, Jan's always like, "That was amazing." She always like, "That was amazing." She always like, "That was amazing." She does what you just did. does what you just did. does what you just did. >> There's this weird thing, dude. And mo >> There's this weird thing, dude. And mo >> There's this weird thing, dude. And mo what I've learned is most good preachers what I've learned is most good preachers what I've learned is most good preachers have this in them. I never finish a have this in them. I never finish a have this in them. I never finish a sermon and think that was a good sermon. sermon and think that was a good sermon. sermon and think that was a good sermon. >> There's a we So there's a weird thing, >> There's a we So there's a weird thing, >> There's a we So there's a weird thing, dude. Not even after preaching it like dude. Not even after preaching it like dude. Not even after preaching it like four times during the weekend. four times during the weekend. four times during the weekend. >> There is I'd say one out of 20 weeks >> There is I'd say one out of 20 weeks >> There is I'd say one out of 20 weeks [laughter] I'll finish like the fourth [laughter] I'll finish like the fourth [laughter] I'll finish like the fourth sermon and be like you know what that sermon and be like you know what that sermon and be like you know what that last one was pretty good. last one was pretty good. last one was pretty good. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> After a lot of tweaking I'm sure of uh >> After a lot of tweaking I'm sure of uh >> After a lot of tweaking I'm sure of uh you know after you know after you know after >> Okay. Here. Hang on. Can we just do a >> Okay. Here. Hang on. Can we just do a >> Okay. Here. Hang on. Can we just do a little insider baseball on preaching little insider baseball on preaching little insider baseball on preaching real quick? real quick? real quick? >> So we didn't plan to talk about this and >> So we didn't plan to talk about this and >> So we didn't plan to talk about this and we have a full podcast so I'll make this we have a full podcast so I'll make this we have a full podcast so I'll make this [laughter] quick. But I think it was [laughter] quick. But I think it was [laughter] quick. But I think it was Charles Spurgeon, Prince of Preachers. Charles Spurgeon, Prince of Preachers. Charles Spurgeon, Prince of Preachers. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Who he said something one time about the >> Who he said something one time about the >> Who he said something one time about the agon, it may not have been him, about agon, it may not have been him, about agon, it may not have been him, about the agony of preaching. And he was he the agony of preaching. And he was he the agony of preaching. And he was he said the reason that every great said the reason that every great said the reason that every great preacher finishes sermons and thinks the preacher finishes sermons and thinks the preacher finishes sermons and thinks the sermon wasn't good is because he knows sermon wasn't good is because he knows sermon wasn't good is because he knows what God put in his heart what God put in his heart what God put in his heart >> and no human mouth is good enough to >> and no human mouth is good enough to >> and no human mouth is good enough to express the message that God deposited express the message that God deposited express the message that God deposited inside his soul.

inside his soul. inside his soul. >> And so you do this like after every >> And so you do this like after every >> And so you do this like after every sermon, it honestly, dude, it sucks. is sermon, it honestly, dude, it sucks. is sermon, it honestly, dude, it sucks. is is not a good feeling. After every is not a good feeling. After every is not a good feeling. After every sermon, you you get done [snorts] and sermon, you you get done [snorts] and sermon, you you get done [snorts] and you're all I can feel is the gap between you're all I can feel is the gap between you're all I can feel is the gap between what I wish I would have been able to what I wish I would have been able to what I wish I would have been able to say say say >> and what my frail fallen human mouth >> and what my frail fallen human mouth >> and what my frail fallen human mouth was. Do you know what it is? It's the was. Do you know what it is? It's the was. Do you know what it is? It's the it's the preaching expression of oh for it's the preaching expression of oh for it's the preaching expression of oh for a thousand tongues to sing. a thousand tongues to sing. a thousand tongues to sing. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Explain what that is. So the lyric of >> Explain what that is. So the lyric of >> Explain what that is. So the lyric of that great hymn, I'll walk around my that great hymn, I'll walk around my that great hymn, I'll walk around my neighborhood and sing that. You know, neighborhood and sing that. You know, neighborhood and sing that. You know, >> the o for a thousand tongues to sing my >> the o for a thousand tongues to sing my >> the o for a thousand tongues to sing my great redeemer's praise. And there's a great redeemer's praise. And there's a great redeemer's praise. And there's a line in there about when this What's the line in there about when this What's the line in there about when this What's the What's the hymn? When this poor lisping, What's the hymn? When this poor lisping, What's the hymn? When this poor lisping, stammering stung. stammering stung. stammering stung. >> Yeah. Look it up. Look it up. Which hymn >> Yeah. Look it up. Look it up. Which hymn >> Yeah. Look it up. Look it up. Which hymn is that? When this poor lisping, is that? When this poor lisping, is that? When this poor lisping, stammering tongue. stammering tongue. stammering tongue. >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> that's actually a different hymn. >> that's actually a different hymn. >> that's actually a different hymn. >> Uh, there's a fountain filled with >> Uh, there's a fountain filled with >> Uh, there's a fountain filled with blood. blood. blood. >> Oh, bro. >> Oh, bro. >> Oh, bro. >> William Copper. >> William Copper. >> William Copper. >> Look up that lyric. Look up. William, he >> Look up that lyric. Look up. William, he >> Look up that lyric. Look up. William, he was the guy that uh struggled with was the guy that uh struggled with was the guy that uh struggled with >> depression. I was going to say he >> depression. I was going to say he >> depression. I was going to say he struggled with depression there's struggled with depression there's struggled with depression there's >> find that lyric.

>> find that lyric. >> find that lyric. >> I'm stratified to give you one second. >> I'm stratified to give you one second. >> I'm stratified to give you one second. Give me one man. When this poor Give me one man. When this poor Give me one man. When this poor listening stammering tongue lies silent listening stammering tongue lies silent listening stammering tongue lies silent in the grave then in a nobler sweeter in the grave then in a nobler sweeter in the grave then in a nobler sweeter tongue I'll sing thy power to save. tongue I'll sing thy power to save. tongue I'll sing thy power to save. >> Bro, >> Bro, >> Bro, >> what a [laughter] lyric. >> what a [laughter] lyric. >> what a [laughter] lyric. So essentially what he's going as a So essentially what he's going as a So essentially what he's going as a songwriter is he's going, "Man, I got songwriter is he's going, "Man, I got songwriter is he's going, "Man, I got this dang lispering, stammering tongue this dang lispering, stammering tongue this dang lispering, stammering tongue and I can never and I can never and I can never >> I can never accurately get out the glory >> I can never accurately get out the glory >> I can never accurately get out the glory that's in my soul." that's in my soul." that's in my soul." >> And he's and then he says, you know, >> And he's and then he says, you know, >> And he's and then he says, you know, then when I die and go to heaven, I get then when I die and go to heaven, I get then when I die and go to heaven, I get a perfect tongue and then I'll, you a perfect tongue and then I'll, you a perfect tongue and then I'll, you know, I'll sing my savior's praise know, I'll sing my savior's praise know, I'll sing my savior's praise perfectly. perfectly. perfectly. >> That's what that's what you feel every >> That's what that's what you feel every >> That's what that's what you feel every time you're done preach this sermon. time you're done preach this sermon. time you're done preach this sermon. >> Just so encouraged. There are stories of >> Just so encouraged. There are stories of >> Just so encouraged. There are stories of Spurgeon where his deacons would have to Spurgeon where his deacons would have to Spurgeon where his deacons would have to drag him to the pulpit because he was so drag him to the pulpit because he was so drag him to the pulpit because he was so dreading to go out there. dreading to go out there. dreading to go out there. >> Oh, seriously? I never heard that. >> Oh, seriously? I never heard that. >> Oh, seriously? I never heard that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just because it was that >> Yeah. Yeah. Just because it was that >> Yeah. Yeah. Just because it was that kind of a thing where he always felt kind of a thing where he always felt kind of a thing where he always felt incapable and unused and unusable and incapable and unused and unusable and incapable and unused and unusable and everything. So sometimes he was so everything. So sometimes he was so everything. So sometimes he was so struggling that they'd have to drag him struggling that they'd have to drag him struggling that they'd have to drag him out there when he out there fire. But out there when he out there fire. But out there when he out there fire. But then afterwards he would still feel then afterwards he would still feel then afterwards he would still feel inadequate. Yet man, God used him in inadequate. Yet man, God used him in inadequate. Yet man, God used him in insane insane ways. And so God's using insane insane ways. And so God's using insane insane ways. And so God's using you too, Pastor Josh. Thank you. That's you too, Pastor Josh. Thank you. That's you too, Pastor Josh. Thank you. That's right, man. That's right. People would right, man. That's right. People would right, man. That's right. People would probably agree in the comments. I can probably agree in the comments. I can probably agree in the comments. I can think of some people [laughter] strongly think of some people [laughter] strongly think of some people [laughter] strongly agreeing with that. And speaking of your agreeing with that. And speaking of your agreeing with that. And speaking of your sermon, hey, uh, can I ask you a sermon, hey, uh, can I ask you a sermon, hey, uh, can I ask you a question?

question? question? >> I will allow it. >> I will allow it. >> I will allow it. >> What do you make to the sermon? >> What do you make to the sermon? >> What do you make to the sermon? >> A lot. [laughter] >> A lot. [laughter] >> A lot. [laughter] A lot. Okay. I'll just do the best A lot. Okay. I'll just do the best A lot. Okay. I'll just do the best stuff. So, first, stuff. So, first, stuff. So, first, >> you're going to do great, by the way. >> you're going to do great, by the way. >> you're going to do great, by the way. You're going to do great. Yeah. You're going to do great. Yeah. You're going to do great. Yeah. >> Thank you, man. [laughter] >> Thank you, man. [laughter] >> Thank you, man. [laughter] >> So, first of all, what we did this week >> So, first of all, what we did this week >> So, first of all, what we did this week is uh we we preached the phone book is uh we we preached the phone book is uh we we preached the phone book section of Timothy. So, I cheated. section of Timothy. So, I cheated. section of Timothy. So, I cheated. >> I cheated. And there was a reason I >> I cheated. And there was a reason I >> I cheated. And there was a reason I cheated because, you know, and I'll talk cheated because, you know, and I'll talk cheated because, you know, and I'll talk about that in a second. We skip to the about that in a second. We skip to the about that in a second. We skip to the end of the book and at the end of all end of the book and at the end of all end of the book and at the end of all the uh at the end of all Paul's the uh at the end of all Paul's the uh at the end of all Paul's epistles, he does that thing where he's epistles, he does that thing where he's epistles, he does that thing where he's like, "Hey, tell that guy said hey and like, "Hey, tell that guy said hey and like, "Hey, tell that guy said hey and tell that tell those ladies to quit tell that tell those ladies to quit tell that tell those ladies to quit arguing with each other and tell tell arguing with each other and tell tell arguing with each other and tell tell her household that they're doing awesome her household that they're doing awesome her household that they're doing awesome and you know and then Trophamus is and you know and then Trophamus is and you know and then Trophamus is bringing a cloak and you know he does bringing a cloak and you know he does bringing a cloak and you know he does all that stuff." And dude, here's my all that stuff." And dude, here's my all that stuff." And dude, here's my thing, bro. So these passages what they thing, bro. So these passages what they thing, bro. So these passages what they do is they show you listen listen listen do is they show you listen listen listen do is they show you listen listen listen >> all scripture is breathed out by God >> all scripture is breathed out by God >> all scripture is breathed out by God >> and is profitable for teaching uh ex >> and is profitable for teaching uh ex >> and is profitable for teaching uh ex exhortation uh correcting rebuking and exhortation uh correcting rebuking and exhortation uh correcting rebuking and training in righteousness all so like so training in righteousness all so like so training in righteousness all so like so what you do is you start reading the the what you do is you start reading the the what you do is you start reading the the phone book verses and you're like all phone book verses and you're like all phone book verses and you're like all right dude it's like you literally like right dude it's like you literally like right dude it's like you literally like it's like reading a phone book but if it's like reading a phone book but if it's like reading a phone book but if you sit down and like study them Listen, you sit down and like study them Listen, you sit down and like study them Listen, bro. There's gold in them there hills.

bro. There's gold in them there hills. bro. There's gold in them there hills. So, I'll give I'll give uh two examples So, I'll give I'll give uh two examples So, I'll give I'll give uh two examples from other ones, from other ones, from other ones, >> and then I'm going to I'll give you the >> and then I'm going to I'll give you the >> and then I'm going to I'll give you the gold from this one. So, first of all, uh gold from this one. So, first of all, uh gold from this one. So, first of all, uh and I you guys have maybe heard me riff and I you guys have maybe heard me riff and I you guys have maybe heard me riff this before, but just pretend. It's it's this before, but just pretend. It's it's this before, but just pretend. It's it's going to be awesome. So, dude, me and going to be awesome. So, dude, me and going to be awesome. So, dude, me and Jan were talking about this on date Jan were talking about this on date Jan were talking about this on date night last night. So, Roman here's I'll night last night. So, Roman here's I'll night last night. So, Roman here's I'll give two examples, all right, about how give two examples, all right, about how give two examples, all right, about how glorious the phone book passages are. glorious the phone book passages are. glorious the phone book passages are. So, Romans 16:23, I'm going to read it. So, Romans 16:23, I'm going to read it. So, Romans 16:23, I'm going to read it. I there's no way I'll be able to get I there's no way I'll be able to get I there's no way I'll be able to get through it without my eyes sweating. through it without my eyes sweating. through it without my eyes sweating. It's one of those verses you're like, I It's one of those verses you're like, I It's one of those verses you're like, I don't even know why I read that. don't even know why I read that. don't even know why I read that. >> You know, it says, "Guas, who is host to >> You know, it says, "Guas, who is host to >> You know, it says, "Guas, who is host to me and the whole church greets you. me and the whole church greets you. me and the whole church greets you. Aras, the city treasurer." And then he Aras, the city treasurer." And then he Aras, the city treasurer." And then he says, "I love it so much." He says, "And says, "I love it so much." He says, "And says, "I love it so much." He says, "And our brother Cortis greets you." You know our brother Cortis greets you." You know our brother Cortis greets you." You know where I'm going. All right. Now, bro, where I'm going. All right. Now, bro, where I'm going. All right. Now, bro, listen. You read that and you're like, listen. You read that and you're like, listen. You read that and you're like, "That's dumb. Why did I even read that?" "That's dumb. Why did I even read that?" "That's dumb. Why did I even read that?" Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Because the glories in scripture are >> Because the glories in scripture are >> Because the glories in scripture are greater than you can possibly greater than you can possibly greater than you can possibly comprehend. That's right. All right. So, comprehend. That's right. All right. So, comprehend. That's right. All right. So, bro, when he says Cortis, people don't bro, when he says Cortis, people don't bro, when he says Cortis, people don't know this. In ancient Rome, I just know this. In ancient Rome, I just know this. In ancient Rome, I just finished listening to like a 4-hour Lex finished listening to like a 4-hour Lex finished listening to like a 4-hour Lex Friedman podcast on the rise and fall of Friedman podcast on the rise and fall of Friedman podcast on the rise and fall of the Roman Empire. It was stinking the Roman Empire. It was stinking the Roman Empire. It was stinking awesome. But they estimate like 60% of awesome. But they estimate like 60% of awesome. But they estimate like 60% of the Roman population were slaves.

the Roman population were slaves. the Roman population were slaves. >> And slaves were considered non-citizens. >> And slaves were considered non-citizens. >> And slaves were considered non-citizens. So, bro, if you if if a child was born So, bro, if you if if a child was born So, bro, if you if if a child was born to a slave in the Roman citizen, they to a slave in the Roman citizen, they to a slave in the Roman citizen, they wouldn't give them a name. They just wouldn't give them a name. They just wouldn't give them a name. They just considered that a slave baby wasn't even considered that a slave baby wasn't even considered that a slave baby wasn't even worth naming. So what they would do is worth naming. So what they would do is worth naming. So what they would do is instead of naming the kid, they would instead of naming the kid, they would instead of naming the kid, they would just give them a number of what birth just give them a number of what birth just give them a number of what birth order they were in. So instead of giving order they were in. So instead of giving order they were in. So instead of giving you a name, you're not worthy of a name. you a name, you're not worthy of a name. you a name, you're not worthy of a name. They just go 1 2 3 4. So when you read They just go 1 2 3 4. So when you read They just go 1 2 3 4. So when you read the name Cortis right here, Cortis just the name Cortis right here, Cortis just the name Cortis right here, Cortis just means four. means four. means four. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> It means fourth. So what this is right >> It means fourth. So what this is right >> It means fourth. So what this is right here, bro, is this is a little kid who here, bro, is this is a little kid who here, bro, is this is a little kid who when he was born, he was the fourth kid when he was born, he was the fourth kid when he was born, he was the fourth kid born to some unknown, unnamed slave born to some unknown, unnamed slave born to some unknown, unnamed slave mama. mama. mama. >> And the entire Roman Empire looked at >> And the entire Roman Empire looked at >> And the entire Roman Empire looked at this little kid and went, "Not even this little kid and went, "Not even this little kid and went, "Not even worth naming. You know what your name worth naming. You know what your name worth naming. You know what your name is? All you are is four. is? All you are is four. is? All you are is four. >> That's all you are." >> That's all you are." >> That's all you are." But it listen, but in Christ there is But it listen, but in Christ there is But it listen, but in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free.

neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free. And God looked at that kid and went, And God looked at that kid and went, And God looked at that kid and went, "You know what? This entire empire "You know what? This entire empire "You know what? This entire empire thinks you weren't even worth naming. thinks you weren't even worth naming. thinks you weren't even worth naming. You're so valuable to me that I'm going You're so valuable to me that I'm going You're so valuable to me that I'm going to make sure for the rest of Christian to make sure for the rest of Christian to make sure for the rest of Christian history, people are going to be reading history, people are going to be reading history, people are going to be reading Cortis's name and he's going to be in Cortis's name and he's going to be in Cortis's name and he's going to be in the word of God for all eternity." Wow. the word of God for all eternity." Wow. the word of God for all eternity." Wow. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] So, it's like, bro, there's stuff like So, it's like, bro, there's stuff like So, it's like, bro, there's stuff like that in all the little name sections. that in all the little name sections. that in all the little name sections. I'll I'll do one more. I'll I'll do one more. I'll I'll do one more. >> Can Can I ask you something? People will >> Can Can I ask you something? People will >> Can Can I ask you something? People will hear this and they'll be like, "That's hear this and they'll be like, "That's hear this and they'll be like, "That's amazing, Pastor Josh. How do you how do amazing, Pastor Josh. How do you how do amazing, Pastor Josh. How do you how do you learn that? you learn that? you learn that? >> We did that all the time, by the way." >> We did that all the time, by the way." >> We did that all the time, by the way." >> Yeah. You So, uh, there's a few ways >> Yeah. You So, uh, there's a few ways >> Yeah. You So, uh, there's a few ways like that one I heard in a sermon like that one I heard in a sermon like that one I heard in a sermon >> probably 15, 20 years ago, >> probably 15, 20 years ago, >> probably 15, 20 years ago, >> and that's kind of thing when you hear >> and that's kind of thing when you hear >> and that's kind of thing when you hear it, you're like, I ain't never forg. it, you're like, I ain't never forg. it, you're like, I ain't never forg. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah. I will say, and I, you know, some >> Yeah. I will say, and I, you know, some >> Yeah. I will say, and I, you know, some people hate this. Uh, I you'll hear people hate this. Uh, I you'll hear people hate this. Uh, I you'll hear about it in the comment section. I do about it in the comment section. I do about it in the comment section. I do this every day. this every day. this every day. >> Uh, every single day. I did it this >> Uh, every single day. I did it this >> Uh, every single day. I did it this morning. I was in Leviticus 8 through10 morning. I was in Leviticus 8 through10 morning. I was in Leviticus 8 through10 and there was some stuff I was like, why and there was some stuff I was like, why and there was some stuff I was like, why did Aaron say that?

did Aaron say that? did Aaron say that? >> And I'll get on AI and this will be and >> And I'll get on AI and this will be and >> And I'll get on AI and this will be and I'll here's what I do. I'll be I'll say I'll here's what I do. I'll be I'll say I'll here's what I do. I'll be I'll say think like a conservative evangelical think like a conservative evangelical think like a conservative evangelical Bible scholar Bible scholar Bible scholar >> and I'll I'll I'll literally ask it. >> and I'll I'll I'll literally ask it. >> and I'll I'll I'll literally ask it. I'll be like, "Hey, what are uh facts I'll be like, "Hey, what are uh facts I'll be like, "Hey, what are uh facts about this passage about this passage about this passage >> that most Christians don't know?" And >> that most Christians don't know?" And >> that most Christians don't know?" And I'll say something like that are I'll say something like that are I'll say something like that are historical historical historical >> uh that are historical, archaeological, >> uh that are historical, archaeological, >> uh that are historical, archaeological, cultural, theological or usually I'll cultural, theological or usually I'll cultural, theological or usually I'll say something like or interesting say something like or interesting say something like or interesting connections to other passages of the connections to other passages of the connections to other passages of the Bible that you know Bible that you know Bible that you know >> and dude I I'll be now I wait until I'm >> and dude I I'll be now I wait until I'm >> and dude I I'll be now I wait until I'm now we're talking about how to have a now we're talking about how to have a now we're talking about how to have a quiet time. I'll wait until I'm doing my quiet time. I'll wait until I'm doing my quiet time. I'll wait until I'm doing my devotional reading. devotional reading. devotional reading. >> Yeah, that's good. >> Yeah, that's good. >> Yeah, that's good. >> And it's kind of hit my heart and then >> And it's kind of hit my heart and then >> And it's kind of hit my heart and then at the end I'll do that and but let me at the end I'll do that and but let me at the end I'll do that and but let me give you a heads up. give you a heads up. give you a heads up. >> You're better off if you can find a good >> You're better off if you can find a good >> You're better off if you can find a good commentary. commentary. commentary. >> Yeah. because you you cannot trust it. >> Yeah. because you you cannot trust it. >> Yeah. because you you cannot trust it. It it has frequently given me stuff that It it has frequently given me stuff that It it has frequently given me stuff that I'll double I double check everything I'll double I double check everything I'll double I double check everything now. Actually, I'll triple check now. Actually, I'll triple check now. Actually, I'll triple check everything now and it'll give me stuff everything now and it'll give me stuff everything now and it'll give me stuff I'm like that ain't true. Yeah. So, but I'm like that ain't true. Yeah. So, but I'm like that ain't true. Yeah. So, but sometimes, dude, it will. sometimes, dude, it will. sometimes, dude, it will. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it will. That's get a good study Bible. >> it will. That's get a good study Bible. >> it will. That's get a good study Bible. Get a good study Bible. ESV and NASB has Get a good study Bible. ESV and NASB has Get a good study Bible. ESV and NASB has some great ones. But then also, yeah, some great ones. But then also, yeah, some great ones. But then also, yeah, there's lots of good commentaries.

there's lots of good commentaries. there's lots of good commentaries. Usually, it depends on the series, but a Usually, it depends on the series, but a Usually, it depends on the series, but a great just like standard one is Pillar great just like standard one is Pillar great just like standard one is Pillar Commentary. Commentary. Commentary. Pillar has a great set of really good Pillar has a great set of really good Pillar has a great set of really good scholarship but also conservative and scholarship but also conservative and scholarship but also conservative and readable. So just want to throw that out readable. So just want to throw that out readable. So just want to throw that out there. there. there. >> Now I will say the Pillar commentary is >> Now I will say the Pillar commentary is >> Now I will say the Pillar commentary is chat g Paulcy intellectual level. I need chat g Paulcy intellectual level. I need chat g Paulcy intellectual level. I need things like one volume John MacArthur things like one volume John MacArthur things like one volume John MacArthur [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] whatever that whatever that whatever that >> hopefully for a lot of people live free >> hopefully for a lot of people live free >> hopefully for a lot of people live free podcast can be a good starting point. podcast can be a good starting point. podcast can be a good starting point. Keep going. Keep going. Keep going. >> All right let me let me do one more. So >> All right let me let me do one more. So >> All right let me let me do one more. So here's here's another bro it's these here's here's another bro it's these here's here's another bro it's these name passages you're like are you name passages you're like are you name passages you're like are you kidding me? All right. So, here's kidding me? All right. So, here's kidding me? All right. So, here's another one. So, Romans 16:13, we're another one. So, Romans 16:13, we're another one. So, Romans 16:13, we're doing our little list of names, okay? doing our little list of names, okay? doing our little list of names, okay? And he says this. He says, "Greet And he says this. He says, "Greet And he says this. He says, "Greet Roffus, Roffus, Roffus, >> chosen in the Lord and his mother who's >> chosen in the Lord and his mother who's >> chosen in the Lord and his mother who's been a mother to me, too." And you read been a mother to me, too." And you read been a mother to me, too." And you read that and you're like, "Roffus? that and you're like, "Roffus? that and you're like, "Roffus? Why Why are we talking about Roffus?" Why Why are we talking about Roffus?" Why Why are we talking about Roffus?" [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] That's all he says. Okay? And you ask That's all he says. Okay? And you ask That's all he says. Okay? And you ask the question, why does it say chosen in the question, why does it say chosen in the question, why does it say chosen in the Lord? He doesn't say that for any of the Lord? He doesn't say that for any of the Lord? He doesn't say that for any of the other names. He knows where I'm the other names. He knows where I'm the other names. He knows where I'm going. This is thinking awesome, dude. going. This is thinking awesome, dude. going. This is thinking awesome, dude. All right. So then you do a little study All right. So then you do a little study All right. So then you do a little study and you're like, "Now wait just a and you're like, "Now wait just a and you're like, "Now wait just a second. I've heard the name Rufus second. I've heard the name Rufus second. I've heard the name Rufus before."

before." before." >> So then you go over to Mark 15:21. Jesus >> So then you go over to Mark 15:21. Jesus >> So then you go over to Mark 15:21. Jesus is going to the cross and I'm I'm going is going to the cross and I'm I'm going is going to the cross and I'm I'm going to read the verse. So Bible nerds, you to read the verse. So Bible nerds, you to read the verse. So Bible nerds, you remember this. Jesus going to the cross remember this. Jesus going to the cross remember this. Jesus going to the cross and he stumbles, has trouble carrying and he stumbles, has trouble carrying and he stumbles, has trouble carrying the cross to Goltha. And here's what it the cross to Goltha. And here's what it the cross to Goltha. And here's what it says. A certain man from Sirene, Simon, says. A certain man from Sirene, Simon, says. A certain man from Sirene, Simon, the father of Alexander and the father of Alexander and the father of Alexander and >> Rufus. Rufus, >> Rufus. Rufus, >> Rufus. Rufus, >> interesting, >> interesting, >> interesting, >> was passing by on his way in from the >> was passing by on his way in from the >> was passing by on his way in from the country and they forced him to carry the country and they forced him to carry the country and they forced him to carry the cross. Now, so again, there's levels to cross. Now, so again, there's levels to cross. Now, so again, there's levels to this, bro. There's levels to this. So, this, bro. There's levels to this. So, this, bro. There's levels to this. So, when you uh Bible scholars, they look at when you uh Bible scholars, they look at when you uh Bible scholars, they look at it, uh all the gospels are written to it, uh all the gospels are written to it, uh all the gospels are written to different audiences. different audiences. different audiences. >> So, you know, it's kind of like Fox and >> So, you know, it's kind of like Fox and >> So, you know, it's kind of like Fox and MSNBC and then C-SPAN. It's, you know, MSNBC and then C-SPAN. It's, you know, MSNBC and then C-SPAN. It's, you know, it's like they're all it's the same news it's like they're all it's the same news it's like they're all it's the same news reported from different angles. reported from different angles. reported from different angles. >> That's how the that's how the gospels >> That's how the that's how the gospels >> That's how the that's how the gospels are. It's like Manning Cast versus are. It's like Manning Cast versus are. It's like Manning Cast versus Monday Night Football. It's like same Monday Night Football. It's like same Monday Night Football. It's like same thing, different angle is what it's thing, different angle is what it's thing, different angle is what it's doing. Uh, so Mark is like all doing. Uh, so Mark is like all doing. Uh, so Mark is like all throughout Mark they're called Latinisms throughout Mark they're called Latinisms throughout Mark they're called Latinisms >> where there's little phrases that are >> where there's little phrases that are >> where there's little phrases that are like, "Oh, that that's like a a little like, "Oh, that that's like a a little like, "Oh, that that's like a a little slang term or that's like a way that slang term or that's like a way that slang term or that's like a way that somebody would say it in Rome."

somebody would say it in Rome." somebody would say it in Rome." >> So basically every Bible scholar is >> So basically every Bible scholar is >> So basically every Bible scholar is like, "Oh, uh, Mark was written either like, "Oh, uh, Mark was written either like, "Oh, uh, Mark was written either in or to Rome." Yeah. in or to Rome." Yeah. in or to Rome." Yeah. >> Okay. That gospel. Okay. So, so now you >> Okay. That gospel. Okay. So, so now you >> Okay. That gospel. Okay. So, so now you start connecting stuff. Paul's [snorts] start connecting stuff. Paul's [snorts] start connecting stuff. Paul's [snorts] writing the letter to the church where writing the letter to the church where writing the letter to the church where at Rome Romans 16:13. It's like and he's at Rome Romans 16:13. It's like and he's at Rome Romans 16:13. It's like and he's writing 20 or 30 years after the writing 20 or 30 years after the writing 20 or 30 years after the crucifixion of Jesus. I freaking love crucifixion of Jesus. I freaking love crucifixion of Jesus. I freaking love the Bible. I stinking love the Bible. My the Bible. I stinking love the Bible. My the Bible. I stinking love the Bible. My mom doesn't like it when I say uh mom doesn't like it when I say uh mom doesn't like it when I say uh [laughter] so uh so he's 20 30 years [laughter] so uh so he's 20 30 years [laughter] so uh so he's 20 30 years after Jesus. Okay. So, and and then after Jesus. Okay. So, and and then after Jesus. Okay. So, and and then Mark, the gospel account about Jesus Mark, the gospel account about Jesus Mark, the gospel account about Jesus crucifixion written to Rome. So then you crucifixion written to Rome. So then you crucifixion written to Rome. So then you ask a question. Why does it not just say ask a question. Why does it not just say ask a question. Why does it not just say uh why doesn't it just say Sim? Why does uh why doesn't it just say Sim? Why does uh why doesn't it just say Sim? Why does it say um why doesn't it say a man named it say um why doesn't it say a man named it say um why doesn't it say a man named Simon helped Jesus carry the cross? Simon helped Jesus carry the cross? Simon helped Jesus carry the cross? >> No. No. It says Simon. Oh, but a >> No. No. It says Simon. Oh, but a >> No. No. It says Simon. Oh, but a specific Simon. The Simon fromSirene. specific Simon. The Simon fromSirene. specific Simon. The Simon fromSirene. Oh. Oh. Oh. And he's the one that has Oh. Oh. Oh. And he's the one that has Oh. Oh. Oh. And he's the one that has two sons, Rufus and Alexander. There's two sons, Rufus and Alexander. There's two sons, Rufus and Alexander. There's only one reason to do that. He's giving only one reason to do that. He's giving only one reason to do that. He's giving a footnote to everyone who would read a footnote to everyone who would read a footnote to everyone who would read the gospel to go, "Hey, if you don't the gospel to go, "Hey, if you don't the gospel to go, "Hey, if you don't believe what I'm reading, there's that believe what I'm reading, there's that believe what I'm reading, there's that one guy that's in your church that's one guy that's in your church that's one guy that's in your church that's around the city still. You can go ask around the city still. You can go ask around the city still. You can go ask him."

him." him." >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, dude, then you get to Romans >> Okay. So, dude, then you get to Romans >> Okay. So, dude, then you get to Romans 16:13 and say, "Hey, this is 30 20 30 16:13 and say, "Hey, this is 30 20 30 16:13 and say, "Hey, this is 30 20 30 years later. Greet Rufus." Well, here's years later. Greet Rufus." Well, here's years later. Greet Rufus." Well, here's what apparently happened is apparently what apparently happened is apparently what apparently happened is apparently Simon who helped Jesus carry the cross, Simon who helped Jesus carry the cross, Simon who helped Jesus carry the cross, he goes on, becomes a follower of Jesus he goes on, becomes a follower of Jesus he goes on, becomes a follower of Jesus and dude, he bends his knee to Jesus, and dude, he bends his knee to Jesus, and dude, he bends his knee to Jesus, his two little boys, Rufus and his two little boys, Rufus and his two little boys, Rufus and Alexander. Apparently, they become Alexander. Apparently, they become Alexander. Apparently, they become Christians, too. Apparently, this is Christians, too. Apparently, this is Christians, too. Apparently, this is what most Bible scholars think. They what most Bible scholars think. They what most Bible scholars think. They become prominent in the Roman church. become prominent in the Roman church. become prominent in the Roman church. And so 20, 30 years later, probably And so 20, 30 years later, probably And so 20, 30 years later, probably after Simon ofSirene is dead, his boy after Simon ofSirene is dead, his boy after Simon ofSirene is dead, his boy Rufus is still following Jesus, still a Rufus is still following Jesus, still a Rufus is still following Jesus, still a pillar in the church. pillar in the church. pillar in the church. >> And Paul's going, "Tell that brother." I >> And Paul's going, "Tell that brother." I >> And Paul's going, "Tell that brother." I said, "Hey, and why did he say a said, "Hey, and why did he say a said, "Hey, and why did he say a brother, quote, chosen in the Lord." I brother, quote, chosen in the Lord." I brother, quote, chosen in the Lord." I think what he's doing is he's going, think what he's doing is he's going, think what he's doing is he's going, Jesus picked on his way to the cross. He Jesus picked on his way to the cross. He Jesus picked on his way to the cross. He picked that kid's dad. picked that kid's dad. picked that kid's dad. >> Not just because he wanted to save the >> Not just because he wanted to save the >> Not just because he wanted to save the dad, but because he wanted to save that dad, but because he wanted to save that dad, but because he wanted to save that little boy, Rufus. And little Roffus little boy, Rufus. And little Roffus little boy, Rufus. And little Roffus grew up to become big Rufus. And it grew up to become big Rufus. And it grew up to become big Rufus. And it changed when that when Simon bend his changed when that when Simon bend his changed when that when Simon bend his knee to Jesus, it didn't just change his knee to Jesus, it didn't just change his knee to Jesus, it didn't just change his life. It changed his lineage and his life. It changed his lineage and his life. It changed his lineage and his legacy.

legacy. legacy. >> Rufus. Wow. There's all these name >> Rufus. Wow. There's all these name >> Rufus. Wow. There's all these name passages. There's stuffing. Now, I want passages. There's stuffing. Now, I want passages. There's stuffing. Now, I want to ask y'all before I get to uh to ask y'all before I get to uh to ask y'all before I get to uh specifically second. You guys got any specifically second. You guys got any specifically second. You guys got any name passage stuff? You guys got name passage stuff? You guys got name passage stuff? You guys got anything? If you don't got anything, anything? If you don't got anything, anything? If you don't got anything, >> I'm saving mine just because I think you >> I'm saving mine just because I think you >> I'm saving mine just because I think you and I might be going for the same one. and I might be going for the same one. and I might be going for the same one. So, I'm going to save it just in case. So, I'm going to save it just in case. So, I'm going to save it just in case. >> You want Deeus? >> You want Deeus? >> You want Deeus? >> Uh, what are you doing? I was going to >> Uh, what are you doing? I was going to >> Uh, what are you doing? I was going to do Mark, but I'll wait till after you do do Mark, but I'll wait till after you do do Mark, but I'll wait till after you do Deus. Deus. Deus. >> You do Mark. >> You do Mark. >> You do Mark. >> Oh, you want to do Mark? >> Oh, you want to do Mark? >> Oh, you want to do Mark? >> You do Mark and then I'm going to do >> You do Mark and then I'm going to do >> You do Mark and then I'm going to do Demon. Demon. Demon. >> This is in second Timothy. Um, I'll >> This is in second Timothy. Um, I'll >> This is in second Timothy. Um, I'll mention Deus briefly to kind of give mention Deus briefly to kind of give mention Deus briefly to kind of give context. context. context. >> Before you do it, let me read it. >> Before you do it, let me read it. >> Before you do it, let me read it. >> Yeah, read it. >> Yeah, read it. >> Yeah, read it. >> Let me read it. So, this is the passage >> Let me read it. So, this is the passage >> Let me read it. So, this is the passage we preach. And again, this is the kind we preach. And again, this is the kind we preach. And again, this is the kind of stuff normal Bible reader just skims of stuff normal Bible reader just skims of stuff normal Bible reader just skims it and doesn't think anything important it and doesn't think anything important it and doesn't think anything important happened. All right. So, here it is. happened. All right. So, here it is. happened. All right. So, here it is. >> Paul says, end of second Timothy, um, do >> Paul says, end of second Timothy, um, do >> Paul says, end of second Timothy, um, do your best to come to me soon for Deeus. your best to come to me soon for Deeus. your best to come to me soon for Deeus. This is going to be a big deal here in a This is going to be a big deal here in a This is going to be a big deal here in a second. In love with this present world second. In love with this present world second. In love with this present world has deserted me and gone to has deserted me and gone to has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. Cresins has gone to Thessalonica. Cresins has gone to Thessalonica. Cresins has gone to Delatia. Titus to Dalmatia. He was Delatia. Titus to Dalmatia. He was Delatia. Titus to Dalmatia. He was picking up 101 dogs over there. Luke picking up 101 dogs over there. Luke picking up 101 dogs over there. Luke alone is with me. That's I got to get alone is with me. That's I got to get alone is with me. That's I got to get the dad joke. Luke Luke alone is with the dad joke. Luke Luke alone is with the dad joke. Luke Luke alone is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you.

me. Get Mark and bring him with you. me. Get Mark and bring him with you. This is what you're going to talk about. This is what you're going to talk about. This is what you're going to talk about. Then he says little throwaway verse. You Then he says little throwaway verse. You Then he says little throwaway verse. You don't think it's a big deal. It's a real don't think it's a big deal. It's a real don't think it's a big deal. It's a real big deal. big deal. big deal. Get Mark and bring him with you for he Get Mark and bring him with you for he Get Mark and bring him with you for he is very useful to me is very useful to me is very useful to me >> in ministry. Oh, >> in ministry. Oh, >> in ministry. Oh, >> and then I'm going to stop right there. >> and then I'm going to stop right there. >> and then I'm going to stop right there. >> I get teeyed as well when I think of >> I get teeyed as well when I think of >> I get teeyed as well when I think of this. I don't know what it is. It just this. I don't know what it is. It just this. I don't know what it is. It just makes me teeyed because you got multiple makes me teeyed because you got multiple makes me teeyed because you got multiple names right there, but three to names right there, but three to names right there, but three to highlight is you got Deeus, you've got highlight is you got Deeus, you've got highlight is you got Deeus, you've got Luke, and then you've got Mark. Deeus Luke, and then you've got Mark. Deeus Luke, and then you've got Mark. Deeus deserts Paul. So, it's a story, as deserts Paul. So, it's a story, as deserts Paul. So, it's a story, as you'll hit here in a second, of you'll hit here in a second, of you'll hit here in a second, of abandonment. Luke is a story of loyalty. abandonment. Luke is a story of loyalty. abandonment. Luke is a story of loyalty. He's with him to the end. He's with him to the end. He's with him to the end. >> But then Mark is a story of restoration. >> But then Mark is a story of restoration. >> But then Mark is a story of restoration. And the reason I say that is because we And the reason I say that is because we And the reason I say that is because we also get a snapshot of Mark in the book also get a snapshot of Mark in the book also get a snapshot of Mark in the book of Acts and it's from Acts 15:37. Let me of Acts and it's from Acts 15:37. Let me of Acts and it's from Acts 15:37. Let me read this one for you. Now, Barnabas read this one for you. Now, Barnabas read this one for you. Now, Barnabas wanted to take with them John called wanted to take with them John called wanted to take with them John called Mark. But Paul thought best not to take Mark. But Paul thought best not to take Mark. But Paul thought best not to take them with him because he had withdrawn them with him because he had withdrawn them with him because he had withdrawn from them in Panthelia and had not gone from them in Panthelia and had not gone from them in Panthelia and had not gone with them to the work. And there arose a with them to the work. And there arose a with them to the work. And there arose a sharp disagreement. So they separated sharp disagreement. So they separated sharp disagreement. So they separated from each other. So Paul and Barnas had from each other. So Paul and Barnas had from each other. So Paul and Barnas had gone on a missionary journey together. gone on a missionary journey together. gone on a missionary journey together. Barnabas really wanted to take Mark. Um, Barnabas really wanted to take Mark. Um, Barnabas really wanted to take Mark. Um, and apparently at some part Mark had and apparently at some part Mark had and apparently at some part Mark had left and deserted them. And Paul when left and deserted them. And Paul when left and deserted them. And Paul when they were about going on another they were about going on another they were about going on another missionary journey, Barnabas like, "Hey, missionary journey, Barnabas like, "Hey, missionary journey, Barnabas like, "Hey, I want to take him with me." And Paul's I want to take him with me." And Paul's I want to take him with me." And Paul's like, "No, like, "No, like, "No, >> no, he flaked.

>> no, he flaked. >> no, he flaked. >> He flaked. I'm not I'm not taking with >> He flaked. I'm not I'm not taking with >> He flaked. I'm not I'm not taking with him. He's not reliable." And so it was him. He's not reliable." And so it was him. He's not reliable." And so it was so much of a disagreement that Barnabas so much of a disagreement that Barnabas so much of a disagreement that Barnabas and Paul who they were bros. Like I and Paul who they were bros. Like I and Paul who they were bros. Like I mean, they were bros. They had to mean, they were bros. They had to mean, they were bros. They had to separate because of it. separate because of it. separate because of it. >> But then here we are all these decades >> But then here we are all these decades >> But then here we are all these decades later and all of a sudden you see Mark's later and all of a sudden you see Mark's later and all of a sudden you see Mark's name again. name again. name again. >> And the point is that at one point there >> And the point is that at one point there >> And the point is that at one point there had been a restoration. had been a restoration. had been a restoration. >> That's right. And Mark at one point or >> That's right. And Mark at one point or >> That's right. And Mark at one point or maybe early on in his disciplehip and maybe early on in his disciplehip and maybe early on in his disciplehip and early on in his walk with Jesus, he had early on in his walk with Jesus, he had early on in his walk with Jesus, he had flaked and was unreliable. God had done flaked and was unreliable. God had done flaked and was unreliable. God had done a work in his life. It made him useful a work in his life. It made him useful a work in his life. It made him useful for again restoration. So it's just I for again restoration. So it's just I for again restoration. So it's just I don't know why it just it hits me. It don't know why it just it hits me. It don't know why it just it hits me. It just hits me the fact that hey a lot of just hits me the fact that hey a lot of just hits me the fact that hey a lot of times when we are discipling people and times when we are discipling people and times when we are discipling people and even looking at times early in my even looking at times early in my even looking at times early in my disciplehip be careful not to judge disciplehip be careful not to judge disciplehip be careful not to judge people by early failures or even people by early failures or even people by early failures or even failures in the middle of their life. failures in the middle of their life. failures in the middle of their life. God is doing ongoing work. We got to be God is doing ongoing work. We got to be God is doing ongoing work. We got to be so careful to remember that sometimes we so careful to remember that sometimes we so careful to remember that sometimes we catch people in the middle of a catch people in the middle of a catch people in the middle of a transformation journey that Jesus has transformation journey that Jesus has transformation journey that Jesus has them on. And if we freeze frame a them on. And if we freeze frame a them on. And if we freeze frame a failure, we're going to make a decision failure, we're going to make a decision failure, we're going to make a decision on their story that Jesus has not made. on their story that Jesus has not made. on their story that Jesus has not made. >> Bro, [laughter] there >> Bro, [laughter] there >> Bro, [laughter] there >> we have got to stop freeze framing >> we have got to stop freeze framing >> we have got to stop freeze framing people's failures and push play and see people's failures and push play and see people's failures and push play and see what God is going to do in them because what God is going to do in them because what God is going to do in them because God did a work in Mark. So at the end at God did a work in Mark. So at the end at God did a work in Mark. So at the end at the end of Paul's life, Mark was one of the end of Paul's life, Mark was one of the end of Paul's life, Mark was one of the few guys that was with him and that the few guys that was with him and that the few guys that was with him and that was useful to him. So just a just a was useful to him. So just a just a was useful to him. So just a just a reminder not to give up on people.

reminder not to give up on people. reminder not to give up on people. >> Here's what I love about that. Mark >> Here's what I love about that. Mark >> Here's what I love about that. Mark thing. thing. thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, two things. One, so, uh, when >> So, two things. One, so, uh, when >> So, two things. One, so, uh, when Barnabas goes, "Hey, man, you know, so Barnabas goes, "Hey, man, you know, so Barnabas goes, "Hey, man, you know, so Mark apparently flakes on the first Mark apparently flakes on the first Mark apparently flakes on the first missionary journey, missionary journey, missionary journey, >> and Paul's like, "Hey, man, we're not >> and Paul's like, "Hey, man, we're not >> and Paul's like, "Hey, man, we're not taking along a flaker." Like, you know, taking along a flaker." Like, you know, taking along a flaker." Like, you know, Paul's Paul's Paul's >> I'll just say this, and I pointed this >> I'll just say this, and I pointed this >> I'll just say this, and I pointed this out in the sermon. We're going to talk out in the sermon. We're going to talk out in the sermon. We're going to talk about the need to have like a band of about the need to have like a band of about the need to have like a band of brothers around you. brothers around you. brothers around you. >> And, you know, it's like, especially men >> And, you know, it's like, especially men >> And, you know, it's like, especially men that it's kind of like, ah, I don't need that it's kind of like, ah, I don't need that it's kind of like, ah, I don't need that. It's kind of weak. Like, can I that. It's kind of weak. Like, can I that. It's kind of weak. Like, can I just say something to you, bro? You're just say something to you, bro? You're just say something to you, bro? You're not tougher than Paul. No, not tougher than Paul. No, not tougher than Paul. No, >> I'm [laughter] just like I'm just going >> I'm [laughter] just like I'm just going >> I'm [laughter] just like I'm just going to tell you something like I don't care to tell you something like I don't care to tell you something like I don't care who you are if you're listening. We got who you are if you're listening. We got who you are if you're listening. We got we got professional MMA fighters that we got professional MMA fighters that we got professional MMA fighters that listen this podcast. You ain't tougher listen this podcast. You ain't tougher listen this podcast. You ain't tougher than Paul. No, than Paul. No, than Paul. No, >> you are not tougher than Paul. Paul >> you are not tougher than Paul. Paul >> you are not tougher than Paul. Paul literally walked 16,000 miles in his literally walked 16,000 miles in his literally walked 16,000 miles in his lifetime. He's shipwrecked three times. lifetime. He's shipwrecked three times. lifetime. He's shipwrecked three times. He's beaten within an inch of his life He's beaten within an inch of his life He's beaten within an inch of his life five times. He's he's literally singing five times. He's he's literally singing five times. He's he's literally singing hymns hymns hymns >> in the stocks. You know, it's like a a >> in the stocks. You know, it's like a a >> in the stocks. You know, it's like a a torture mechanism. He's singing him. I torture mechanism. He's singing him. I torture mechanism. He's singing him. I mean, it's like you're not tougher than mean, it's like you're not tougher than mean, it's like you're not tougher than Paul. M and and Paul was like, "You know Paul. M and and Paul was like, "You know Paul. M and and Paul was like, "You know what I need? I need a band of brothers."

what I need? I need a band of brothers." what I need? I need a band of brothers." But [laughter] Paul also was like an But [laughter] Paul also was like an But [laughter] Paul also was like an alpha. So whenever a guy flaked on his alpha. So whenever a guy flaked on his alpha. So whenever a guy flaked on his first missionary journey journey, Paul first missionary journey journey, Paul first missionary journey journey, Paul was like, "Ah, no. We're not bringing was like, "Ah, no. We're not bringing was like, "Ah, no. We're not bringing flakers along. This is this is big boy flakers along. This is this is big boy flakers along. This is this is big boy stuff." stuff." stuff." >> What are you looking at? >> What are you looking at? >> What are you looking at? >> I thought light change or something. >> I thought light change or something. >> I thought light change or something. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> That was just the glory of the Bible. >> That was just the glory of the Bible. >> That was just the glory of the Bible. >> That's right. That's right. [laughter] >> That's right. That's right. [laughter] >> That's right. That's right. [laughter] Starting to shine. Starting to shine. Starting to shine. >> It's the gold in the text, bro. It's >> It's the gold in the text, bro. It's >> It's the gold in the text, bro. It's coming out. I just I thought like a coming out. I just I thought like a coming out. I just I thought like a light change over here, but no. Maybe light change over here, but no. Maybe light change over here, but no. Maybe not. Go ahead. [laughter] not. Go ahead. [laughter] not. Go ahead. [laughter] >> All right. So then, so do check this >> All right. So then, so do check this >> All right. So then, so do check this out. Whenever Barnabas and Mark go the out. Whenever Barnabas and Mark go the out. Whenever Barnabas and Mark go the different way, different way, different way, >> bro, that opens up two roster spots for >> bro, that opens up two roster spots for >> bro, that opens up two roster spots for Paul. Paul. Paul. >> Oh, good point. >> Oh, good point. >> Oh, good point. >> Guess who fills the roster spots? Silas >> Guess who fills the roster spots? Silas >> Guess who fills the roster spots? Silas and Timothy. and Timothy. and Timothy. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> If you had never had the moment where >> If you had never had the moment where >> If you had never had the moment where Mark flakes and Barnabas is like, you Mark flakes and Barnabas is like, you Mark flakes and Barnabas is like, you know what, sweet little Mark, I'm going know what, sweet little Mark, I'm going know what, sweet little Mark, I'm going to go with Mark. I want to keep him to go with Mark. I want to keep him to go with Mark. I want to keep him encouraged. If you had never had that encouraged. If you had never had that encouraged. If you had never had that moment, the roster spots never open up moment, the roster spots never open up moment, the roster spots never open up for Paul to pull in Silas and Timothy, for Paul to pull in Silas and Timothy, for Paul to pull in Silas and Timothy, his disciples. his disciples. his disciples. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> You So, one, you better watch it.

>> You So, one, you better watch it. >> You So, one, you better watch it. Anything that happens in your life that Anything that happens in your life that Anything that happens in your life that feels like a wreck, God can redeem. feels like a wreck, God can redeem. feels like a wreck, God can redeem. >> So, God redeems that moment and and the >> So, God redeems that moment and and the >> So, God redeems that moment and and the breakdown. But the other thing that I breakdown. But the other thing that I breakdown. But the other thing that I love uh that I love so much is I here's love uh that I love so much is I here's love uh that I love so much is I here's my theory. So, I'm going to read, you my theory. So, I'm going to read, you my theory. So, I'm going to read, you can see it, uh, right before the verses can see it, uh, right before the verses can see it, uh, right before the verses I read, Paul tells little Tim in verse I read, Paul tells little Tim in verse I read, Paul tells little Tim in verse six, six, six, >> he tells him, "The time of my departure >> he tells him, "The time of my departure >> he tells him, "The time of my departure has come." So, I think, and I'm going to has come." So, I think, and I'm going to has come." So, I think, and I'm going to talk about this here in a second, and talk about this here in a second, and talk about this here in a second, and I'll make your eyes sweat, what it would I'll make your eyes sweat, what it would I'll make your eyes sweat, what it would have been like to be Timothy reading have been like to be Timothy reading have been like to be Timothy reading this verse. You open the scroll for the this verse. You open the scroll for the this verse. You open the scroll for the first time and you read this, that that first time and you read this, that that first time and you read this, that that would have been a moment. I think Paul would have been a moment. I think Paul would have been a moment. I think Paul knows, personally, I think Paul kind of knows, personally, I think Paul kind of knows, personally, I think Paul kind of knows, I'm not going to see any of these knows, I'm not going to see any of these knows, I'm not going to see any of these people. I I really do think so. Then you people. I I really do think so. Then you people. I I really do think so. Then you have to ask the question, why did he have to ask the question, why did he have to ask the question, why did he specifically say, "Hey, man, specifically say, "Hey, man, specifically say, "Hey, man, >> go go go get Mark because he's very >> go go go get Mark because he's very >> go go go get Mark because he's very useful to me in ministry." I honestly useful to me in ministry." I honestly useful to me in ministry." I honestly think one of the last things Paul wanted think one of the last things Paul wanted think one of the last things Paul wanted to do is make sure that whatever wound to do is make sure that whatever wound to do is make sure that whatever wound had been created by their fallout way had been created by their fallout way had been created by their fallout way back in Acts 15, the last thing Mark back in Acts 15, the last thing Mark back in Acts 15, the last thing Mark ever heard from Paul was, "Hey, brother. ever heard from Paul was, "Hey, brother. ever heard from Paul was, "Hey, brother. Hey, brother. You got what it takes."

Hey, brother. You got what it takes." Hey, brother. You got what it takes." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You got what it takes. You are very >> You got what it takes. You are very >> You got what it takes. You are very useful to me in ministry. And dude, what useful to me in ministry. And dude, what useful to me in ministry. And dude, what that goes back to is whatever men or that goes back to is whatever men or that goes back to is whatever men or Satan can wreck in your relationships, Satan can wreck in your relationships, Satan can wreck in your relationships, God can redeem. God can redeem. God can redeem. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> God can redeem. That's amazing. >> God can redeem. That's amazing. >> God can redeem. That's amazing. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Oh, wait. I got one more thing. I was >> Oh, wait. I got one more thing. I was >> Oh, wait. I got one more thing. I was going to say, yeah, let me do Deus. going to say, yeah, let me do Deus. going to say, yeah, let me do Deus. >> Do do Deeus. Not demons, but Deus. >> Do do Deeus. Not demons, but Deus. >> Do do Deeus. Not demons, but Deus. >> Deus. D E M A S. >> Deus. D E M A S. >> Deus. D E M A S. >> Not to be confused. >> Not to be confused. >> Not to be confused. >> Not to be confused. And you do not want >> Not to be confused. And you do not want >> Not to be confused. And you do not want this as your baby name. We're this as your baby name. We're this as your baby name. We're >> I was going to say it's available. >> I was going to say it's available. >> I was going to say it's available. >> It's available, but not useful. >> It's available, but not useful. >> It's available, but not useful. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> If you name your kid Deus, you're making >> If you name your kid Deus, you're making >> If you name your kid Deus, you're making a mistake. a mistake. a mistake. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. [laughter] All right, All right, All right, >> good, good to know. >> good, good to know. >> good, good to know. >> So, all right, dude. So, let me just set >> So, all right, dude. So, let me just set >> So, all right, dude. So, let me just set this up. The Deeus thing is another one this up. The Deeus thing is another one this up. The Deeus thing is another one of those things where, bro, it's the of those things where, bro, it's the of those things where, bro, it's the gold in the phone book passage. You gold in the phone book passage. You gold in the phone book passage. You don't know is there. All right. So, you don't know is there. All right. So, you don't know is there. All right. So, you just read the passage. Here's all it just read the passage. Here's all it just read the passage. Here's all it says, uh, for Deeus in love with this says, uh, for Deeus in love with this says, uh, for Deeus in love with this present world has deserted me and gone present world has deserted me and gone present world has deserted me and gone to Thessalonica. And you just read it. to Thessalonica. And you just read it. to Thessalonica. And you just read it. You're like, okay, why did I even read You're like, okay, why did I even read You're like, okay, why did I even read that? Who cares? Okay. Okay. Well, that? Who cares? Okay. Okay. Well, that? Who cares? Okay. Okay. Well, here's I want to contrast two people. here's I want to contrast two people. here's I want to contrast two people. Uh, I want to contrast um Paul Uh, I want to contrast um Paul Uh, I want to contrast um Paul >> and Deus. M okay. And here's what I say.

>> and Deus. M okay. And here's what I say. >> and Deus. M okay. And here's what I say. Now, this is going to make sense here in Now, this is going to make sense here in Now, this is going to make sense here in a second. You just got to let me set it a second. You just got to let me set it a second. You just got to let me set it up. And if you're a Bible nerd, when I'm up. And if you're a Bible nerd, when I'm up. And if you're a Bible nerd, when I'm done, you're going to be like, done, you're going to be like, done, you're going to be like, [laughter] "That's amazing." Okay. So, [laughter] "That's amazing." Okay. So, [laughter] "That's amazing." Okay. So, first of all, remember what Paul's first of all, remember what Paul's first of all, remember what Paul's [clears throat] saying here is he just [clears throat] saying here is he just [clears throat] saying here is he just finished going, "You know what I did?" finished going, "You know what I did?" finished going, "You know what I did?" Paul goes, "Uh, hey, I here's what I Paul goes, "Uh, hey, I here's what I Paul goes, "Uh, hey, I here's what I did. I fought the good fight. I finished did. I fought the good fight. I finished did. I fought the good fight. I finished the race. Uh, and I kept the faith." the race. Uh, and I kept the faith." the race. Uh, and I kept the faith." By the way, in Latin, in the Latin By the way, in Latin, in the Latin By the way, in Latin, in the Latin Vulgate, so Marines, their little uh Vulgate, so Marines, their little uh Vulgate, so Marines, their little uh motto is simply motto is simply motto is simply that is short for seerfidelis. Guess that is short for seerfidelis. Guess that is short for seerfidelis. Guess what that means? It means always what that means? It means always what that means? It means always faithful. faithful. faithful. >> What Paul in the Latin Vulgate >> What Paul in the Latin Vulgate >> What Paul in the Latin Vulgate translation of this passage, what Paul translation of this passage, what Paul translation of this passage, what Paul says about himself is, I stayed says about himself is, I stayed says about himself is, I stayed faithful. I was always faithful. I was faithful. I was always faithful. I was faithful. I was always faithful. I was always faithful. So what Paul's saying always faithful. So what Paul's saying always faithful. So what Paul's saying to Timothy right before he dies, now to Timothy right before he dies, now to Timothy right before he dies, now remember this is a fatherless kid, remember this is a fatherless kid, remember this is a fatherless kid, broken home that Paul takes under his broken home that Paul takes under his broken home that Paul takes under his wing and goes, "I'm going to make you my wing and goes, "I'm going to make you my wing and goes, "I'm going to make you my spiritual son." spiritual son." spiritual son." >> Y >> Y >> Y >> Paul is finishing his disciplehip of Tim >> Paul is finishing his disciplehip of Tim >> Paul is finishing his disciplehip of Tim Timothy. Paul knows me, Timothy's Timothy. Paul knows me, Timothy's Timothy. Paul knows me, Timothy's functional dad, is about to go to functional dad, is about to go to functional dad, is about to go to heaven. He's never going to see me again heaven. He's never going to see me again heaven. He's never going to see me again this out of glory.

this out of glory. this out of glory. >> So the last thing Paul says is, "I >> So the last thing Paul says is, "I >> So the last thing Paul says is, "I finished the race." Paul goes, "I was finished the race." Paul goes, "I was finished the race." Paul goes, "I was always faithful. I was simper fidelis. I always faithful. I was simper fidelis. I always faithful. I was simper fidelis. I finished." Okay. So on the one hand, I finished." Okay. So on the one hand, I finished." Okay. So on the one hand, I just want you to think about this. just want you to think about this. just want you to think about this. Imagine you're little Timothy. you p you Imagine you're little Timothy. you p you Imagine you're little Timothy. you p you open this scroll or the parchment open this scroll or the parchment open this scroll or the parchment >> and you're sitting down and you would >> and you're sitting down and you would >> and you're sitting down and you would have been reading this and you would have been reading this and you would have been reading this and you would have got to chapter four and you have got to chapter four and you have got to chapter four and you wouldn't have known until chapter 4 that wouldn't have known until chapter 4 that wouldn't have known until chapter 4 that Paul thinks he's going to die and then Paul thinks he's going to die and then Paul thinks he's going to die and then your little Timothy who's been discipled your little Timothy who's been discipled your little Timothy who's been discipled and you get to this verse and you read and you get to this verse and you read and you get to this verse and you read the Apostle Paul say the Apostle Paul say the Apostle Paul say I am already being poured out as a drink I am already being poured out as a drink I am already being poured out as a drink offering the time of my departure has offering the time of my departure has offering the time of my departure has come fought the good fight finished the come fought the good fight finished the come fought the good fight finished the face, kept the faith. And I'm just face, kept the faith. And I'm just face, kept the faith. And I'm just telling you uh two things. One, if telling you uh two things. One, if telling you uh two things. One, if you're Timothy, there's tears streaming you're Timothy, there's tears streaming you're Timothy, there's tears streaming down your face because what you just down your face because what you just down your face because what you just read is my dad knows he's about to die. read is my dad knows he's about to die. read is my dad knows he's about to die. But this other thing I think you you But this other thing I think you you But this other thing I think you you would have been if you're Timothy is you would have been if you're Timothy is you would have been if you're Timothy is you would have been going like you kind of would have been going like you kind of would have been going like you kind of like this like like this like like this like that's my man. that's my man. that's my man. >> That's my man. Like giving it laying it >> That's my man. Like giving it laying it >> That's my man. Like giving it laying it out on a a table. So Paul finishes.

out on a a table. So Paul finishes. out on a a table. So Paul finishes. Well, here's the contrast I'm making. Well, here's the contrast I'm making. Well, here's the contrast I'm making. Now you read Deeus in love with his Now you read Deeus in love with his Now you read Deeus in love with his present world has deserted me. Now again present world has deserted me. Now again present world has deserted me. Now again let's Bible nerd out for a second. Let's let's Bible nerd out for a second. Let's let's Bible nerd out for a second. Let's go a layer deeper. For a Bible nerd go a layer deeper. For a Bible nerd go a layer deeper. For a Bible nerd you're like wait a have I heard haven't you're like wait a have I heard haven't you're like wait a have I heard haven't I heard the name Deus before? Ding ding I heard the name Deus before? Ding ding I heard the name Deus before? Ding ding ding. Yes you have. ding. Yes you have. ding. Yes you have. >> So let me read these other verses to >> So let me read these other verses to >> So let me read these other verses to you. You heard Deus's name in Colossians you. You heard Deus's name in Colossians you. You heard Deus's name in Colossians and Fleiman. and Fleiman. and Fleiman. >> Colossians and Fleiman were written >> Colossians and Fleiman were written >> Colossians and Fleiman were written before 2 Timothy. So let me read them. before 2 Timothy. So let me read them. before 2 Timothy. So let me read them. Colossians 4:14 which was written during Colossians 4:14 which was written during Colossians 4:14 which was written during Paul's first Roman imprisonment. He gets Paul's first Roman imprisonment. He gets Paul's first Roman imprisonment. He gets out and then this is his second one. Uh out and then this is his second one. Uh out and then this is his second one. Uh it says this, Luke the beloved physician it says this, Luke the beloved physician it says this, Luke the beloved physician greets you as does Deeus. greets you as does Deeus. greets you as does Deeus. >> So apparently Deeus is with Paul when he >> So apparently Deeus is with Paul when he >> So apparently Deeus is with Paul when he writes Colossians. Second one, Flemans writes Colossians. Second one, Flemans writes Colossians. Second one, Flemans 1:24, same time period. It 1:24, same time period. It 1:24, same time period. It [clears throat] says, "Hey, I greet you [clears throat] says, "Hey, I greet you [clears throat] says, "Hey, I greet you as uh and so do Mark, as uh and so do Mark, as uh and so do Mark, >> Aristarus, >> Aristarus, >> Aristarus, Deus Deus Deus >> and Luke." And then he uses this word my >> and Luke." And then he uses this word my >> and Luke." And then he uses this word my fellow workers. The Greek word is fellow workers. The Greek word is fellow workers. The Greek word is synerg. It's uh the from which we get synerg. It's uh the from which we get synerg. It's uh the from which we get the English word synergy. So essentially the English word synergy. So essentially the English word synergy. So essentially he's gone. These are the guys, my inner he's gone. These are the guys, my inner he's gone. These are the guys, my inner circle. These are my ride or dies. I got circle. These are my ride or dies. I got circle. These are my ride or dies. I got the most synergy with these guys. What the most synergy with these guys. What the most synergy with these guys. What you're seeing is Deeus started well and you're seeing is Deeus started well and you're seeing is Deeus started well and then Deeus finished poorly. He did not then Deeus finished poorly. He did not then Deeus finished poorly. He did not finish well. So Deeus is here's what I finish well. So Deeus is here's what I finish well. So Deeus is here's what I would what I would just say. He he is would what I would just say. He he is would what I would just say. He he is especially if like you're a senior especially if like you're a senior especially if like you're a senior saint, your age starts with a five, six, saint, your age starts with a five, six, saint, your age starts with a five, six, seven up.

seven up. seven up. >> Deeus is the warning. Hey man, it >> Deeus is the warning. Hey man, it >> Deeus is the warning. Hey man, it doesn't matter how you start matter doesn't matter how you start matter doesn't matter how you start matter matters how you finish matters how you finish matters how you finish >> and and we need you to finish well. So >> and and we need you to finish well. So >> and and we need you to finish well. So Deeus apparently it's that's what this Deeus apparently it's that's what this Deeus apparently it's that's what this passage hey man pe will be people who passage hey man pe will be people who passage hey man pe will be people who start well start well start well >> they will be with you in Christ Jesus. >> they will be with you in Christ Jesus. >> they will be with you in Christ Jesus. [snorts] You're going to think they're [snorts] You're going to think they're [snorts] You're going to think they're going to be with you to the end. Heads going to be with you to the end. Heads going to be with you to the end. Heads up. Jesus had a Judas. Paul had a Demus. up. Jesus had a Judas. Paul had a Demus. up. Jesus had a Judas. Paul had a Demus. Probably going to happen to you too. Probably going to happen to you too. Probably going to happen to you too. >> So it's a warning. Hey man, we need we >> So it's a warning. Hey man, we need we >> So it's a warning. Hey man, we need we need you to finish well. Now, can I do need you to finish well. Now, can I do need you to finish well. Now, can I do one last thing? I I want to kick this one last thing? I I want to kick this one last thing? I I want to kick this back over to Chad Gyc. back over to Chad Gyc. back over to Chad Gyc. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, one Bible teacher that in the last >> So, one Bible teacher that in the last >> So, one Bible teacher that in the last uh two, three years that finished well uh two, three years that finished well uh two, three years that finished well was John MacArthur. You know, there are, was John MacArthur. You know, there are, was John MacArthur. You know, there are, you know, I'm sure there are things that you know, I'm sure there are things that you know, I'm sure there are things that he'd look at and be like, I wish they'd he'd look at and be like, I wish they'd he'd look at and be like, I wish they'd do that. Whatever. That's fine, man. He do that. Whatever. That's fine, man. He do that. Whatever. That's fine, man. He love Jesus. I'm all in. I still read the love Jesus. I'm all in. I still read the love Jesus. I'm all in. I still read the guy. guy. guy. Uh shortly before he died, John Uh shortly before he died, John Uh shortly before he died, John MacArthur wrote a essentially a farewell MacArthur wrote a essentially a farewell MacArthur wrote a essentially a farewell letter letter letter >> is what it reads as about Deus. And I >> is what it reads as about Deus. And I >> is what it reads as about Deus. And I did not have time to read it in a did not have time to read it in a did not have time to read it in a sermon, sermon, sermon, >> but I would like to read a letter from a >> but I would like to read a letter from a >> but I would like to read a letter from a man who is in his 80s man who is in his 80s man who is in his 80s urging the saints of God to finish well urging the saints of God to finish well urging the saints of God to finish well using this verse from 2 Timothy 4 about using this verse from 2 Timothy 4 about using this verse from 2 Timothy 4 about Deus. Can I do that? I'm going to read Deus. Can I do that? I'm going to read Deus. Can I do that? I'm going to read this. John [clears throat] MacArthur this. John [clears throat] MacArthur this. John [clears throat] MacArthur shortly before he dies writes this. The shortly before he dies writes this. The shortly before he dies writes this. The title of the letter was just finishing title of the letter was just finishing title of the letter was just finishing well.

well. well. >> And it's going to take me a second. Just >> And it's going to take me a second. Just >> And it's going to take me a second. Just hang out. You can see it right here. hang out. You can see it right here. hang out. You can see it right here. This is it when it was published. Uh This is it when it was published. Uh This is it when it was published. Uh just if you're listening, just let this just if you're listening, just let this just if you're listening, just let this wash over you and let it be a charge wash over you and let it be a charge wash over you and let it be a charge >> to give all of your days to Jesus and >> to give all of your days to Jesus and >> to give all of your days to Jesus and finish well. Here we go. John writes, finish well. Here we go. John writes, finish well. Here we go. John writes, "Sometime before I entered my 80s, I "Sometime before I entered my 80s, I "Sometime before I entered my 80s, I began to realize that I am now on the began to realize that I am now on the began to realize that I am now on the final chapter of my life. I want to final chapter of my life. I want to final chapter of my life. I want to finish well. I have been thinking much finish well. I have been thinking much finish well. I have been thinking much about what that means and why it is so about what that means and why it is so about what that means and why it is so important." Scripture and church history important." Scripture and church history important." Scripture and church history are full of tragic examples of men who are full of tragic examples of men who are full of tragic examples of men who showed great promise, but they did not showed great promise, but they did not showed great promise, but they did not finish well. Deeus was a fellow laborer finish well. Deeus was a fellow laborer finish well. Deeus was a fellow laborer with the apostle Paul. He is mentioned with the apostle Paul. He is mentioned with the apostle Paul. He is mentioned in the penultimate verse in Fleiman and in the penultimate verse in Fleiman and in the penultimate verse in Fleiman and in Colossians 4:14. and he served an in Colossians 4:14. and he served an in Colossians 4:14. and he served an important strategic distinguished role. important strategic distinguished role. important strategic distinguished role. But in Paul's final inspired epistle, But in Paul's final inspired epistle, But in Paul's final inspired epistle, the apostle mentions Deeus in a the apostle mentions Deeus in a the apostle mentions Deeus in a different light. And here's the scary different light. And here's the scary different light. And here's the scary verse. Deeus, having loved this present verse. Deeus, having loved this present verse. Deeus, having loved this present age, deserted me. Under the threat of age, deserted me. Under the threat of age, deserted me. Under the threat of persecution and the daily pressure of persecution and the daily pressure of persecution and the daily pressure of caring for all the churches, Deeus caring for all the churches, Deeus caring for all the churches, Deeus abandoned his calling. Now, this is abandoned his calling. Now, this is abandoned his calling. Now, this is where if your age starts with a five, where if your age starts with a five, where if your age starts with a five, six, seven or up, here's where the six, seven or up, here's where the six, seven or up, here's where the letter kicks in. There is a very real letter kicks in. There is a very real letter kicks in. There is a very real danger that someone who has lived and danger that someone who has lived and danger that someone who has lived and served Christ faithfully for most of his served Christ faithfully for most of his served Christ faithfully for most of his life might grow lazy, careless, life might grow lazy, careless, life might grow lazy, careless, fatigued, or lukewarm in the faith and fatigued, or lukewarm in the faith and fatigued, or lukewarm in the faith and thus stumble to the finish.

thus stumble to the finish. thus stumble to the finish. We all know of gifted servants of Christ We all know of gifted servants of Christ We all know of gifted servants of Christ who have fallen into shocking who have fallen into shocking who have fallen into shocking disqualifying sins, discredit their disqualifying sins, discredit their disqualifying sins, discredit their testimonies, dishonoring Christ and testimonies, dishonoring Christ and testimonies, dishonoring Christ and destroying their ab ability to finish destroying their ab ability to finish destroying their ab ability to finish well. And here is one reason this is well. And here is one reason this is well. And here is one reason this is such a pro problem. Listen, listen. such a pro problem. Listen, listen. such a pro problem. Listen, listen. Living the Christian life faithfully is Living the Christian life faithfully is Living the Christian life faithfully is no more trouble-free the older we get. no more trouble-free the older we get. no more trouble-free the older we get. >> Sanctification doesn't come any more >> Sanctification doesn't come any more >> Sanctification doesn't come any more easily with advanced age. The number and easily with advanced age. The number and easily with advanced age. The number and intensity of the fiery darts the power intensity of the fiery darts the power intensity of the fiery darts the power of hell aim at us does not diminish. of hell aim at us does not diminish. of hell aim at us does not diminish. >> The obstacles we face do not get easier >> The obstacles we face do not get easier >> The obstacles we face do not get easier to overcome. to overcome. to overcome. Furthermore, scripture warns us, "Let Furthermore, scripture warns us, "Let Furthermore, scripture warns us, "Let him who thinks he stands take heed that him who thinks he stands take heed that him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall." The Apostle Paul, he does not fall." The Apostle Paul, he does not fall." The Apostle Paul, steadfast as he was, was keenly aware of steadfast as he was, was keenly aware of steadfast as he was, was keenly aware of the dangers of falling. He wrote, "Run the dangers of falling. He wrote, "Run the dangers of falling. He wrote, "Run in such a way that you may win. I run in in such a way that you may win. I run in in such a way that you may win. I run in such a way as not without aim. I box in such a way as not without aim. I box in such a way as not without aim. I box in such a way as not beating the air, but I such a way as not beating the air, but I such a way as not beating the air, but I discipline my body and make it my discipline my body and make it my discipline my body and make it my slave." So that after I have preached to slave." So that after I have preached to slave." So that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be others, I myself will not be others, I myself will not be disqualified.

disqualified. disqualified. I love this so much. Watch what he says I love this so much. Watch what he says I love this so much. Watch what he says here. I want to follow Paul's example. here. I want to follow Paul's example. here. I want to follow Paul's example. Say, "Hey, let's simpelis. Let's at the Say, "Hey, let's simpelis. Let's at the Say, "Hey, let's simpelis. Let's at the end of our life, let's be able to say, end of our life, let's be able to say, end of our life, let's be able to say, "Hey, man, I did it. It wasn't easy. I "Hey, man, I did it. It wasn't easy. I "Hey, man, I did it. It wasn't easy. I didn't do it perfect, but I was always didn't do it perfect, but I was always didn't do it perfect, but I was always faithful." faithful." faithful." >> I want to follow Paul's example. >> I want to follow Paul's example. >> I want to follow Paul's example. >> I want every Christian to aim for that >> I want every Christian to aim for that >> I want every Christian to aim for that incorruptible crown, to run, to win, to incorruptible crown, to run, to win, to incorruptible crown, to run, to win, to finish well. finish well. finish well. >> And at the end of our lives, we want to >> And at the end of our lives, we want to >> And at the end of our lives, we want to be able to say what Paul said to his son be able to say what Paul said to his son be able to say what Paul said to his son in the faith in 2 Timothy 4. I have in the faith in 2 Timothy 4. I have in the faith in 2 Timothy 4. I have fought the good fight. I have finished fought the good fight. I have finished fought the good fight. I have finished the course. I have kept the faith. and the course. I have kept the faith. and the course. I have kept the faith. and in the future there is laid up for me in the future there is laid up for me in the future there is laid up for me that crown of righteousness which the that crown of righteousness which the that crown of righteousness which the Lord the righteous judge will award to Lord the righteous judge will award to Lord the righteous judge will award to me on that day. Those were practically me on that day. Those were practically me on that day. Those were practically the apostles last recorded words. the apostles last recorded words. the apostles last recorded words. He closed the epistle with some personal He closed the epistle with some personal He closed the epistle with some personal remarks but this was his final statement remarks but this was his final statement remarks but this was his final statement of triumph. I have kept the faith. Paul of triumph. I have kept the faith. Paul of triumph. I have kept the faith. Paul had reached the end of his earthly life had reached the end of his earthly life had reached the end of his earthly life and it was an eternally triumphant and it was an eternally triumphant and it was an eternally triumphant conclusion. He was standing on the conclusion. He was standing on the conclusion. He was standing on the summit of loyalty to his Lord and he was summit of loyalty to his Lord and he was summit of loyalty to his Lord and he was bloody. I love this. He was bloody but bloody. I love this. He was bloody but bloody. I love this. He was bloody but unbowed.

unbowed. unbowed. >> There is no higher kind of triumph for >> There is no higher kind of triumph for >> There is no higher kind of triumph for any Christian. And this there this is any Christian. And this there this is any Christian. And this there this is the last sentence of the letter. And if the last sentence of the letter. And if the last sentence of the letter. And if you are an older saint you are an older saint you are an older saint uh if you and we have people we get uh if you and we have people we get uh if you and we have people we get these letters. If you're in hospice care these letters. If you're in hospice care these letters. If you're in hospice care and you're listening to this podcast, and you're listening to this podcast, and you're listening to this podcast, um if you're somebody's uh praying um if you're somebody's uh praying um if you're somebody's uh praying grandma or grandpa that's still a grandma or grandpa that's still a grandma or grandpa that's still a prodigal grandson or granddaughter and prodigal grandson or granddaughter and prodigal grandson or granddaughter and you've prayed every day for the last 30 you've prayed every day for the last 30 you've prayed every day for the last 30 years and nothing still happened, uh years and nothing still happened, uh years and nothing still happened, uh this last thing is for you. this last thing is for you. this last thing is for you. My prayer for you, dear reader, is that My prayer for you, dear reader, is that My prayer for you, dear reader, is that you too will fight the good fight you too will fight the good fight you too will fight the good fight triumphantly. triumphantly. triumphantly. that you will one day finish the course that you will one day finish the course that you will one day finish the course victoriously victoriously victoriously and that you will keep the faith simper and that you will keep the faith simper and that you will keep the faith simper fidelis always faithful with unwavering fidelis always faithful with unwavering fidelis always faithful with unwavering devotion. devotion. devotion. >> The end. >> The end. >> The end. >> That's amazing. So good. >> That's amazing. So good. >> That's amazing. So good. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> Well, hey Lifer Nation. If you're ready >> Well, hey Lifer Nation. If you're ready >> Well, hey Lifer Nation. If you're ready to go deeper in your faith and build to go deeper in your faith and build to go deeper in your faith and build strong biblical community, Rooted is strong biblical community, Rooted is strong biblical community, Rooted is your next step. Rooted is our 10-week your next step. Rooted is our 10-week your next step. Rooted is our 10-week disciplehip experience designed to help disciplehip experience designed to help disciplehip experience designed to help you grow in your relationship with God, you grow in your relationship with God, you grow in your relationship with God, understand your purpose, and [music] understand your purpose, and [music] understand your purpose, and [music] build meaningful relationships with build meaningful relationships with build meaningful relationships with other believers. And so, here's other believers. And so, here's other believers. And so, here's something that you need to know. Rooted something that you need to know. Rooted something that you need to know. Rooted is a in-person experience only. It's not is a in-person experience only. It's not is a in-person experience only. It's not available online because so much of what available online because so much of what available online because so much of what makes Rooted powerful happens when makes Rooted powerful happens when makes Rooted powerful happens when you're sitting around a table having you're sitting around a table having you're sitting around a table having conversations, praying together, and conversations, praying together, and conversations, praying together, and growing alongside others. So, if you growing alongside others. So, if you growing alongside others. So, if you live in the DFW area, Dallas Fort Worth live in the DFW area, Dallas Fort Worth live in the DFW area, Dallas Fort Worth area, we'd love for you to come be a

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this weekend. What do you do now? this weekend. What do you do now? >> Yeah. Well, let me just, you know, let >> Yeah. Well, let me just, you know, let >> Yeah. Well, let me just, you know, let me just start and I can kick it over to me just start and I can kick it over to me just start and I can kick it over to you, Paul, because I got a couple you, Paul, because I got a couple you, Paul, because I got a couple practical things. practical things. practical things. >> Um, first of all, I just want to point >> Um, first of all, I just want to point >> Um, first of all, I just want to point this out again. Uh, man, you ain't this out again. Uh, man, you ain't this out again. Uh, man, you ain't tougher than the Apostle Paul. You're tougher than the Apostle Paul. You're tougher than the Apostle Paul. You're not tougher than Paul. Um and so I think not tougher than Paul. Um and so I think not tougher than Paul. Um and so I think what a lot of especially men it's like what a lot of especially men it's like what a lot of especially men it's like oh man showing need uh you know needing oh man showing need uh you know needing oh man showing need uh you know needing talking about needing a band of brothers talking about needing a band of brothers talking about needing a band of brothers ah feels kind of weak and I'll just ah feels kind of weak and I'll just ah feels kind of weak and I'll just point this out the Apostle Paul is able point this out the Apostle Paul is able point this out the Apostle Paul is able to go do your best to come to me soon I to go do your best to come to me soon I to go do your best to come to me soon I kind of need you. Yeah kind of need you. Yeah kind of need you. Yeah >> you know. >> you know. >> you know. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And so the thing that I would say is >> And so the thing that I would say is >> And so the thing that I would say is that refusing to reach out to a band of that refusing to reach out to a band of that refusing to reach out to a band of brothers to help you when you're wounded brothers to help you when you're wounded brothers to help you when you're wounded or you've been captured by the enemy. or you've been captured by the enemy. or you've been captured by the enemy. That's not tough. That's stupid. That's not tough. That's stupid. That's not tough. That's stupid. >> Is that's the big idea. And reaching out >> Is that's the big idea. And reaching out >> Is that's the big idea. And reaching out doesn't make you weak. That's how you doesn't make you weak. That's how you doesn't make you weak. That's how you fight the good fight. fight the good fight. fight the good fight. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, man, let me just say a couple very >> So, man, let me just say a couple very >> So, man, let me just say a couple very practical things and and then le let's practical things and and then le let's practical things and and then le let's talk about real quick because this is talk about real quick because this is talk about real quick because this is the most important arguably disciplehip the most important arguably disciplehip the most important arguably disciplehip step anyone will ever take. step anyone will ever take. step anyone will ever take. >> Number one, I would just say uh you you >> Number one, I would just say uh you you >> Number one, I would just say uh you you uh you never hit a target you didn't uh you never hit a target you didn't uh you never hit a target you didn't draw. draw. draw. >> So, dude, I got this little thing. I I >> So, dude, I got this little thing. I I >> So, dude, I got this little thing. I I heard it from Joby Martin uh for the heard it from Joby Martin uh for the heard it from Joby Martin uh for the first time. There's that story in the first time. There's that story in the first time. There's that story in the Gospels where the guy's friends he's on Gospels where the guy's friends he's on Gospels where the guy's friends he's on the mat and he's paralyzed and his the mat and he's paralyzed and his the mat and he's paralyzed and his friends bring him to Jesus. Yeah. I love friends bring him to Jesus. Yeah. I love friends bring him to Jesus. Yeah. I love it.

it. it. >> Yeah. And he's got what here here's what >> Yeah. And he's got what here here's what >> Yeah. And he's got what here here's what you got is you got four guys around the you got is you got four guys around the you got is you got four guys around the mat mat mat >> that when he was down on the mat they >> that when he was down on the mat they >> that when he was down on the mat they were like, "Hey man, you can't walk, but were like, "Hey man, you can't walk, but were like, "Hey man, you can't walk, but we'll pick you up and we'll drag you we'll pick you up and we'll drag you we'll pick you up and we'll drag you where you need to go." where you need to go." where you need to go." >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> What I would say is everyone everywhere, >> What I would say is everyone everywhere, >> What I would say is everyone everywhere, you need four people. Let me just make you need four people. Let me just make you need four people. Let me just make it practical. You like literally in the it practical. You like literally in the it practical. You like literally in the sermon, I told everybody, here's your sermon, I told everybody, here's your sermon, I told everybody, here's your assignment this week. What are your four assignment this week. What are your four assignment this week. What are your four names? names? names? >> You need four mat carriers. Who are the >> You need four mat carriers. Who are the >> You need four mat carriers. Who are the four people who when you're going the four people who when you're going the four people who when you're going the wrong way wrong way wrong way >> or you're wounded and you're not going >> or you're wounded and you're not going >> or you're wounded and you're not going anyway, anyway, anyway, >> who are people who love you and love the >> who are people who love you and love the >> who are people who love you and love the Lord enough to be like, "Carlos, Lord enough to be like, "Carlos, Lord enough to be like, "Carlos, something ain't right, man. something ain't right, man. something ain't right, man. >> Come, come get around the fire pit. >> Come, come get around the fire pit. >> Come, come get around the fire pit. Let's talk. Hey, man. You know, you're Let's talk. Hey, man. You know, you're Let's talk. Hey, man. You know, you're not doing this, but you need somebody in not doing this, but you need somebody in not doing this, but you need somebody in your life. Hey, hey, Carlo." You Carlos your life. Hey, hey, Carlo." You Carlos your life. Hey, hey, Carlo." You Carlos is not doing this. I'm talking about is not doing this. I'm talking about is not doing this. I'm talking about anybody, but you need somebody who'd be anybody, but you need somebody who'd be anybody, but you need somebody who'd be like, "Hey, Carlos, you're drinking too like, "Hey, Carlos, you're drinking too like, "Hey, Carlos, you're drinking too much, man. much, man. much, man. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Let's talk." >> Let's talk." >> Let's talk." >> You need It doesn't got to be everybody. >> You need It doesn't got to be everybody. >> You need It doesn't got to be everybody. You need somebody in your life and be You need somebody in your life and be You need somebody in your life and be like, "Hey, Paul would never do this." like, "Hey, Paul would never do this." like, "Hey, Paul would never do this." But I'm just saying, you need four But I'm just saying, you need four But I'm just saying, you need four people in your life, at least four, who people in your life, at least four, who people in your life, at least four, who can be like, "Hey, dude, can be like, "Hey, dude, can be like, "Hey, dude, >> that way you talked to your wife last >> that way you talked to your wife last >> that way you talked to your wife last time we were hanging out." Like, that time we were hanging out." Like, that time we were hanging out." Like, that that's like not how a Christian man does that's like not how a Christian man does that's like not how a Christian man does it. Like, can we talk real quick? I'm it. Like, can we talk real quick? I'm it. Like, can we talk real quick? I'm for you, dude. I'm for you. I just don't for you, dude. I'm for you. I just don't for you, dude. I'm for you. I just don't want your marriage to get all jacked up.

want your marriage to get all jacked up. want your marriage to get all jacked up. >> So, what I would say is you're never >> So, what I would say is you're never >> So, what I would say is you're never going to hit a target you didn't draw. going to hit a target you didn't draw. going to hit a target you didn't draw. Who are your four mat carriers? The most Who are your four mat carriers? The most Who are your four mat carriers? The most important thing you do this week is you important thing you do this week is you important thing you do this week is you may sit down with a Bible, a pen, and a may sit down with a Bible, a pen, and a may sit down with a Bible, a pen, and a piece of paper and realize I don't have piece of paper and realize I don't have piece of paper and realize I don't have four mat carriers. So, I'm going to four mat carriers. So, I'm going to four mat carriers. So, I'm going to write an aspirational goal. Here are the write an aspirational goal. Here are the write an aspirational goal. Here are the four names that in six months I want to four names that in six months I want to four names that in six months I want to be able to go, those are my dudes. be able to go, those are my dudes. be able to go, those are my dudes. That's my ride or die. That's my band of That's my ride or die. That's my band of That's my ride or die. That's my band of brothers or my band of sisters. You got brothers or my band of sisters. You got brothers or my band of sisters. You got to have that. Now, what I will say, let to have that. Now, what I will say, let to have that. Now, what I will say, let me just say something real quick and and me just say something real quick and and me just say something real quick and and then let's kick it over to you. One then let's kick it over to you. One then let's kick it over to you. One thing I did acknowledge and we just need thing I did acknowledge and we just need thing I did acknowledge and we just need to acknowledge it. You know, the number to acknowledge it. You know, the number to acknowledge it. You know, the number of guys that listen to this podcast is of guys that listen to this podcast is of guys that listen to this podcast is is very is very high. is very is very high. is very is very high. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, we're one of those weird churches >> So, we're one of those weird churches >> So, we're one of those weird churches who believe this weird thing that men who believe this weird thing that men who believe this weird thing that men and women are different. It's really and women are different. It's really and women are different. It's really weird. We believe this really weird weird. We believe this really weird weird. We believe this really weird thing at Lake Point. thing at Lake Point. thing at Lake Point. >> Good. Good for you to clarify it. >> Good. Good for you to clarify it. >> Good. Good for you to clarify it. >> I just want to get that out there. So, I >> I just want to get that out there. So, I >> I just want to get that out there. So, I will just point this out. The whole like will just point this out. The whole like will just point this out. The whole like building a band of brothers, band of building a band of brothers, band of building a band of brothers, band of sisters, there's different obstacles for sisters, there's different obstacles for sisters, there's different obstacles for men and women. And you can get mad at me men and women. And you can get mad at me men and women. And you can get mad at me all you want and get get your feelings all you want and get get your feelings all you want and get get your feelings hurt. It's just just how this is the hurt. It's just just how this is the hurt. It's just just how this is the reality of the world.

reality of the world. reality of the world. >> It's like let's put on our big boy pants >> It's like let's put on our big boy pants >> It's like let's put on our big boy pants or panties and just okay this is how or panties and just okay this is how or panties and just okay this is how genders work. Okay. So let me just kind genders work. Okay. So let me just kind genders work. Okay. So let me just kind of say this uh you know where here's of say this uh you know where here's of say this uh you know where here's where women are generally going to where women are generally going to where women are generally going to struggle is uh women generally will struggle is uh women generally will struggle is uh women generally will struggle with building it's it's it can struggle with building it's it's it can struggle with building it's it's it can almost become like uh a band of demonic almost become like uh a band of demonic almost become like uh a band of demonic matt carriers who is and men can do this matt carriers who is and men can do this matt carriers who is and men can do this too but it's different where you know too but it's different where you know too but it's different where you know women in general will move toward women in general will move toward women in general will move toward relationships that are only affirmation relationships that are only affirmation relationships that are only affirmation never confrontation that can be a little never confrontation that can be a little never confrontation that can be a little tough tougher for for different gender tough tougher for for different gender tough tougher for for different gender reasons it's like you know and live reasons it's like you know and live reasons it's like you know and live Three ladies are not like this. They're Three ladies are not like this. They're Three ladies are not like this. They're women of the word. women of the word. women of the word. >> But you know, you can there are some >> But you know, you can there are some >> But you know, you can there are some women who end up building their entire women who end up building their entire women who end up building their entire relational circle. It's like I I don't relational circle. It's like I I don't relational circle. It's like I I don't go where I'm tolerated. I go where I'm go where I'm tolerated. I go where I'm go where I'm tolerated. I go where I'm celebrated. Slay girl, you know, it's celebrated. Slay girl, you know, it's celebrated. Slay girl, you know, it's like whatever the it's like all your like whatever the it's like all your like whatever the it's like all your woke pagan Sex in the City wind down woke pagan Sex in the City wind down woke pagan Sex in the City wind down Wednesday friends who will never tell Wednesday friends who will never tell Wednesday friends who will never tell you you're doing anything wrong. They'll you you're doing anything wrong. They'll you you're doing anything wrong. They'll just cheer on everything you do. just cheer on everything you do. just cheer on everything you do. >> Well, it's like, hey, man, there are >> Well, it's like, hey, man, there are >> Well, it's like, hey, man, there are people who will affirm you all the way people who will affirm you all the way people who will affirm you all the way to the destruction of your marriage, to the destruction of your marriage, to the destruction of your marriage, your soul, and into hell. That's right.

your soul, and into hell. That's right. your soul, and into hell. That's right. So you do, let me just, you do not want So you do, let me just, you do not want So you do, let me just, you do not want a a band of sisters is not a group of a a band of sisters is not a group of a a band of sisters is not a group of people who will just always tell you people who will just always tell you people who will just always tell you everything you're doing is amazing and everything you're doing is amazing and everything you're doing is amazing and everything you're wearing is wonderful everything you're wearing is wonderful everything you're wearing is wonderful and no dude. and no dude. and no dude. >> Yes, queen. >> Yes, queen. >> Yes, queen. >> There's the [clears throat] >> There's the [clears throat] >> There's the [clears throat] queen. queen. queen. >> There's there's a verse in Proverbs and >> There's there's a verse in Proverbs and >> There's there's a verse in Proverbs and keep going. There's a verse in Proverbs keep going. There's a verse in Proverbs keep going. There's a verse in Proverbs where it talks about as iron sharpens where it talks about as iron sharpens where it talks about as iron sharpens iron. So one man or we could say so one iron. So one man or we could say so one iron. So one man or we could say so one person sharpens or another. Well, here's person sharpens or another. Well, here's person sharpens or another. Well, here's the thing about that. If sparks aren't the thing about that. If sparks aren't the thing about that. If sparks aren't flying, iron's not being sharpened. flying, iron's not being sharpened. flying, iron's not being sharpened. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So I'll say it again. If I if sparks are >> So I'll say it again. If I if sparks are >> So I'll say it again. If I if sparks are not flying, then the iron is not being not flying, then the iron is not being not flying, then the iron is not being sharpened. So it doesn't mean that every sharpened. So it doesn't mean that every sharpened. So it doesn't mean that every time you gather that's all you do, cuz time you gather that's all you do, cuz time you gather that's all you do, cuz you'll get to the other side. Oh, but it you'll get to the other side. Oh, but it you'll get to the other side. Oh, but it is to say, hey, if there's not ever po is to say, hey, if there's not ever po is to say, hey, if there's not ever po moments of friction or ever moments of moments of friction or ever moments of moments of friction or ever moments of confrontation, then man, you're not confrontation, then man, you're not confrontation, then man, you're not being sharpened the person that God being sharpened the person that God being sharpened the person that God wants you to be. wants you to be. wants you to be. >> Bro, that's fantastic. >> Bro, that's fantastic. >> Bro, that's fantastic. >> Yeah. And I'll get we'll get a little >> Yeah. And I'll get we'll get a little >> Yeah. And I'll get we'll get a little more practical here in a second. The more practical here in a second. The more practical here in a second. The other thing I'd say because people other thing I'd say because people other thing I'd say because people struggle with this and it's the most struggle with this and it's the most struggle with this and it's the most important thing. The other thing I'd say important thing. The other thing I'd say important thing. The other thing I'd say is, man, women maybe just a little bit, is, man, women maybe just a little bit, is, man, women maybe just a little bit, not in general, can struggle a little not in general, can struggle a little not in general, can struggle a little more with being proactive in building more with being proactive in building more with being proactive in building it. So, it's like, you know, I hear this it. So, it's like, you know, I hear this it. So, it's like, you know, I hear this a lot. I'll be in the lobby praying with a lot. I'll be in the lobby praying with a lot. I'll be in the lobby praying with people and you, you know, you'll have people and you, you know, you'll have people and you, you know, you'll have women who it's like, man, I stood in the women who it's like, man, I stood in the women who it's like, man, I stood in the corner all, you know, all week and corner all, you know, all week and corner all, you know, all week and nobody came and talked to me and I was nobody came and talked to me and I was nobody came and talked to me and I was waiting for somebody else to ask.

waiting for somebody else to ask. waiting for somebody else to ask. >> Well, it's like, man, it's, you know, >> Well, it's like, man, it's, you know, >> Well, it's like, man, it's, you know, it's probably not going to happen, it's probably not going to happen, it's probably not going to happen, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> you know. It's like, >> you know. It's like, >> you know. It's like, >> it might, but, you know, or maybe not. >> it might, but, you know, or maybe not. >> it might, but, you know, or maybe not. >> Yeah. But you got to Hey, man, you you >> Yeah. But you got to Hey, man, you you >> Yeah. But you got to Hey, man, you you need to own I'm going to send the text. need to own I'm going to send the text. need to own I'm going to send the text. I'm going to make the ask. And women can I'm going to make the ask. And women can I'm going to make the ask. And women can struggle with that a little more. Now, struggle with that a little more. Now, struggle with that a little more. Now, men will struggle with something men will struggle with something men will struggle with something different. Um, men, different. Um, men, different. Um, men, >> we all know men and women relate >> we all know men and women relate >> we all know men and women relate differently. Like, if if a man asked me, differently. Like, if if a man asked me, differently. Like, if if a man asked me, "Hey, Josh, do you want to come over on "Hey, Josh, do you want to come over on "Hey, Josh, do you want to come over on Thursday night, sit on the couch, look Thursday night, sit on the couch, look Thursday night, sit on the couch, look at each other, and talk about our at each other, and talk about our at each other, and talk about our feelings?" feelings?" feelings?" >> No, I don't. Not even a little, >> No, I don't. Not even a little, >> No, I don't. Not even a little, actually. actually. actually. >> Red flag. [laughter] >> Red flag. [laughter] >> Red flag. [laughter] >> And the fact that you just asked me >> And the fact that you just asked me >> And the fact that you just asked me makes me wonder about you. I don't know makes me wonder about you. I don't know makes me wonder about you. I don't know if I trust you anymore. But so but if I trust you anymore. But so but if I trust you anymore. But so but here's here's here's >> Is that what you say no to me when I ask >> Is that what you say no to me when I ask >> Is that what you say no to me when I ask you to come and [laughter] uh and watch you to come and [laughter] uh and watch you to come and [laughter] uh and watch Marvel movies? Is that is that Marvel movies? Is that is that Marvel movies? Is that is that >> dude? I know >> dude? I know >> dude? I know >> that's a joke by the way. >> that's a joke by the way. >> that's a joke by the way. >> I know. I know. [laughter] >> I know. I know. [laughter] >> I know. I know. [laughter] >> But what men here's what men will >> But what men here's what men will >> But what men here's what men will generally do is men will and this is generally do is men will and this is generally do is men will and this is another little jobism. I like this. You another little jobism. I like this. You another little jobism. I like this. You got to ask the question are my relation. got to ask the question are my relation. got to ask the question are my relation. So here but here here's how men build So here but here here's how men build So here but here here's how men build relationships around activities.

relationships around activities. relationships around activities. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So how men build it's literally how like >> So how men build it's literally how like >> So how men build it's literally how like like all of you it's like how I became like all of you it's like how I became like all of you it's like how I became friends. It's like you like to golf. No. friends. It's like you like to golf. No. friends. It's like you like to golf. No. You like to fish? No. You like to bowl? You like to fish? No. You like to bowl? You like to fish? No. You like to bowl? No. You like talking about the Bible or No. You like talking about the Bible or No. You like talking about the Bible or you know you like you know you you like you know you like you know you you like you know you like you know you you like whatever the thing is. Yes. Great. We're whatever the thing is. Yes. Great. We're whatever the thing is. Yes. Great. We're friends now. It's [laughter] like I just friends now. It's [laughter] like I just friends now. It's [laughter] like I just got to I got to have a thing. got to I got to have a thing. got to I got to have a thing. >> Let's build something. Let's build a >> Let's build something. Let's build a >> Let's build something. Let's build a podcast. It's like that's how you men podcast. It's like that's how you men podcast. It's like that's how you men become friends. Okay. become friends. Okay. become friends. Okay. >> So, but what men got to watch out for is >> So, but what men got to watch out for is >> So, but what men got to watch out for is all your relationships are rooted in all your relationships are rooted in all your relationships are rooted in hobbies and not in Christ. hobbies and not in Christ. hobbies and not in Christ. >> And then so here's what you got. You you >> And then so here's what you got. You you >> And then so here's what you got. You you got buddies. got buddies. got buddies. So, I I got golfing buddies, you know, So, I I got golfing buddies, you know, So, I I got golfing buddies, you know, or I got fishing buddies or I got or I got fishing buddies or I got or I got fishing buddies or I got hunting buddies. But what you don't got hunting buddies. But what you don't got hunting buddies. But what you don't got is you don't got a band of brothers is you don't got a band of brothers is you don't got a band of brothers >> that where the relationships are rooted >> that where the relationships are rooted >> that where the relationships are rooted around Jesus Christ. So, here's I'll around Jesus Christ. So, here's I'll around Jesus Christ. So, here's I'll give one practical and then y'all chime give one practical and then y'all chime give one practical and then y'all chime in. Let's get practical. It's like the in. Let's get practical. It's like the in. Let's get practical. It's like the most important thing. Nothing will most important thing. Nothing will most important thing. Nothing will change your life more than this. change your life more than this. change your life more than this. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And by the way, your family's life and >> And by the way, your family's life and >> And by the way, your family's life and your kids' lives. Maybe that's a whole your kids' lives. Maybe that's a whole your kids' lives. Maybe that's a whole different conversation, but nothing will different conversation, but nothing will different conversation, but nothing will change it more than this stuff. change it more than this stuff. change it more than this stuff. is I I honestly think if so I'll go is I I honestly think if so I'll go is I I honestly think if so I'll go option A, option B. Option A, if you're option A, option B. Option A, if you're option A, option B. Option A, if you're a dude or you're a lady a dude or you're a lady a dude or you're a lady >> and you've got buddies >> and you've got buddies >> and you've got buddies uh that you think might be inclined uh that you think might be inclined uh that you think might be inclined towards the things of God, it the towards the things of God, it the towards the things of God, it the easiest thing is if you can take a group easiest thing is if you can take a group easiest thing is if you can take a group of buddies and turn it into a band of of buddies and turn it into a band of of buddies and turn it into a band of brothers.

brothers. brothers. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So let's say I got golfing buddies or >> So let's say I got golfing buddies or >> So let's say I got golfing buddies or fishing buddies or hunting buddies or fishing buddies or hunting buddies or fishing buddies or hunting buddies or whatever the buddies are. If it's the whatever the buddies are. If it's the whatever the buddies are. If it's the kind of guys like, man, honestly, they kind of guys like, man, honestly, they kind of guys like, man, honestly, they all listen to live free. all listen to live free. all listen to live free. >> So, they they kind of do seem to care >> So, they they kind of do seem to care >> So, they they kind of do seem to care about the things of God. You can just about the things of God. You can just about the things of God. You can just memorialize like, hey, dude, what hey memorialize like, hey, dude, what hey memorialize like, hey, dude, what hey guys, what if we did this? Don't want to guys, what if we did this? Don't want to guys, what if we did this? Don't want to be weird about it. And if y'all don't be weird about it. And if y'all don't be weird about it. And if y'all don't want to do this, you're not hurting my want to do this, you're not hurting my want to do this, you're not hurting my feelings at all. What if we just all feelings at all. What if we just all feelings at all. What if we just all went, "Hey, man, we're listening to it went, "Hey, man, we're listening to it went, "Hey, man, we're listening to it anyway. Let's listen to it free. Uh, anyway. Let's listen to it free. Uh, anyway. Let's listen to it free. Uh, let's do the little daily Bible reading let's do the little daily Bible reading let's do the little daily Bible reading plan that they got." And then, hey man, plan that they got." And then, hey man, plan that they got." And then, hey man, just in between a couple holes or maybe, just in between a couple holes or maybe, just in between a couple holes or maybe, you know, on the, you know, on the turn you know, on the, you know, on the turn you know, on the, you know, on the turn after nine at lunch, let's just all real after nine at lunch, let's just all real after nine at lunch, let's just all real quick, hey man, what' you see in the quick, hey man, what' you see in the quick, hey man, what' you see in the word this week? How can I pray for you? word this week? How can I pray for you? word this week? How can I pray for you? We're not going to be weird and We're not going to be weird and We're not going to be weird and emotional about it. We're just going to emotional about it. We're just going to emotional about it. We're just going to Okay, let's do it. Great. Awesome, man. Okay, let's do it. Great. Awesome, man. Okay, let's do it. Great. Awesome, man. >> If you can turn a group of buddies into >> If you can turn a group of buddies into >> If you can turn a group of buddies into a band of brothers, that's the easiest. a band of brothers, that's the easiest. a band of brothers, that's the easiest. That's great. That's great. That's great. >> Otherwise, I'm going to shoot you >> Otherwise, I'm going to shoot you >> Otherwise, I'm going to shoot you straight. You just need to change your straight. You just need to change your straight. You just need to change your friends. friends. friends. >> If you got people are pointing you away, >> If you got people are pointing you away, >> If you got people are pointing you away, you need to change your friends. By the you need to change your friends. By the you need to change your friends. By the way, you need to get in rooted. way, you need to get in rooted. way, you need to get in rooted. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's why we just pushed 4,000 people >> That's why we just pushed 4,000 people >> That's why we just pushed 4,000 people or 5,000 people into Rooted. or 5,000 people into Rooted. or 5,000 people into Rooted. >> So, if you're at Lake Point, I'm just >> So, if you're at Lake Point, I'm just >> So, if you're at Lake Point, I'm just telling you, you're nuts and you don't telling you, you're nuts and you don't telling you, you're nuts and you don't have any excuse if you didn't get into have any excuse if you didn't get into have any excuse if you didn't get into Rooted. So, it's like you need to text Rooted. So, it's like you need to text Rooted. So, it's like you need to text the word Rooted the word Rooted the word Rooted >> to the number 2041. We're we're >> to the number 2041. We're we're >> to the number 2041. We're we're literally going to hand you a band of literally going to hand you a band of literally going to hand you a band of brothers or a band of sisters, teach you brothers or a band of sisters, teach you brothers or a band of sisters, teach you how to be a disciple. So, how to be a disciple. So, how to be a disciple. So, >> in person experience. That's right.

>> in person experience. That's right. >> in person experience. That's right. >> In person experience. That's right. So, >> In person experience. That's right. So, >> In person experience. That's right. So, all right. Now, I got tons of stuff, but all right. Now, I got tons of stuff, but all right. Now, I got tons of stuff, but I'm I've been talking too long. What I'm I've been talking too long. What I'm I've been talking too long. What would y'all say? would y'all say? would y'all say? >> You got I got two things. I mean, one >> You got I got two things. I mean, one >> You got I got two things. I mean, one thing for me, uh, I'm sure we've all thing for me, uh, I'm sure we've all thing for me, uh, I'm sure we've all lived this, and this is just like one of lived this, and this is just like one of lived this, and this is just like one of the probably one of the most, uh, the probably one of the most, uh, the probably one of the most, uh, underestimated things you can do to find underestimated things you can do to find underestimated things you can do to find the right people, not just any person, the right people, not just any person, the right people, not just any person, uh, man, it's just to pray. If you, uh, uh, man, it's just to pray. If you, uh, uh, man, it's just to pray. If you, uh, if you feel like, man, I I've tried if you feel like, man, I I've tried if you feel like, man, I I've tried before and it seems a little daunting before and it seems a little daunting before and it seems a little daunting for me to actually go this, you need to for me to actually go this, you need to for me to actually go this, you need to do all of that. Plus, just pray. This is do all of that. Plus, just pray. This is do all of that. Plus, just pray. This is my all-time favorite quote from C. Lewis my all-time favorite quote from C. Lewis my all-time favorite quote from C. Lewis on friendships. I'm just going to read on friendships. I'm just going to read on friendships. I'm just going to read it. This is what CS Lewis said. In it. This is what CS Lewis said. In it. This is what CS Lewis said. In friendship, we think we have chosen our friendship, we think we have chosen our friendship, we think we have chosen our peers. In reality, a few years peers. In reality, a few years peers. In reality, a few years difference in the dates of our birth and difference in the dates of our birth and difference in the dates of our birth and a few more miles between certain houses, a few more miles between certain houses, a few more miles between certain houses, the choice of one school instead of the choice of one school instead of the choice of one school instead of another. Any of these changes might have another. Any of these changes might have another. Any of these changes might have kept these friends apart. But for a kept these friends apart. But for a kept these friends apart. But for a Christian, there are strictly speaking Christian, there are strictly speaking Christian, there are strictly speaking no chances. no chances. no chances. >> A secret master of ceremonies has been >> A secret master of ceremonies has been >> A secret master of ceremonies has been at work. He then says, "Christ, who said at work. He then says, "Christ, who said at work. He then says, "Christ, who said to the disciples, ye have not chosen me, to the disciples, ye have not chosen me, to the disciples, ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you can truly say to but I have chosen you can truly say to but I have chosen you can truly say to every group of Christian friends, ye every group of Christian friends, ye every group of Christian friends, ye have not chosen one another, but I have have not chosen one another, but I have have not chosen one another, but I have chosen you for one another."

chosen you for one another." chosen you for one another." >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> At this at this feast, it is he who has >> At this at this feast, it is he who has >> At this at this feast, it is he who has spread the board, and it is he who has spread the board, and it is he who has spread the board, and it is he who has chosen the guests, chosen the guests, chosen the guests, >> bro. >> bro. >> bro. >> So, that's those could ride well. >> So, that's those could ride well. >> So, that's those could ride well. >> He was pretty good writer. what looks >> He was pretty good writer. what looks >> He was pretty good writer. what looks like a coincidence in your circle in like a coincidence in your circle in like a coincidence in your circle in your band of brothers and your band of your band of brothers and your band of your band of brothers and your band of sisters is actually God behind the sisters is actually God behind the sisters is actually God behind the scenes orchestrating everything. scenes orchestrating everything. scenes orchestrating everything. >> So you need to be reassured that as you >> So you need to be reassured that as you >> So you need to be reassured that as you go find the right person or the right go find the right person or the right go find the right person or the right group of people, you're praying and group of people, you're praying and group of people, you're praying and you're asking God, God, would you would you're asking God, God, would you would you're asking God, God, would you would you lead me? He does you lead me? He does you lead me? He does >> and he leads you to the right people at >> and he leads you to the right people at >> and he leads you to the right people at the right time at the right moment and the right time at the right moment and the right time at the right moment and for your good and like you said to for your good and like you said to for your good and like you said to change your life and your family and change your life and your family and change your life and your family and your legacy. your legacy. your legacy. >> Fantastic. >> Fantastic. >> Fantastic. >> So pray go what you got. >> So pray go what you got. >> So pray go what you got. >> I guess it's a few things. Number one, >> I guess it's a few things. Number one, >> I guess it's a few things. Number one, and it's really a play off of something and it's really a play off of something and it's really a play off of something that you said is be the friend you wish that you said is be the friend you wish that you said is be the friend you wish others would be to you. others would be to you. others would be to you. >> Fact. >> Fact. >> Fact. >> Be the friend to others that you wish >> Be the friend to others that you wish >> Be the friend to others that you wish they would be to you. they would be to you. they would be to you. >> And so it's like, hey, if you just kind >> And so it's like, hey, if you just kind >> And so it's like, hey, if you just kind of sit back and just wait for people to of sit back and just wait for people to of sit back and just wait for people to come to you, it's like, hey, you you you come to you, it's like, hey, you you you come to you, it's like, hey, you you you initiate. You initiate. And listen, if initiate. You initiate. And listen, if initiate. You initiate. And listen, if you're new to church or something like you're new to church or something like you're new to church or something like that, you're not connected like we just that, you're not connected like we just that, you're not connected like we just said, you get into Rooted. If you're said, you get into Rooted. If you're said, you get into Rooted. If you're around Lake Point, if you're part of around Lake Point, if you're part of around Lake Point, if you're part of another local church, man, help have another local church, man, help have another local church, man, help have them help you get into that community, them help you get into that community, them help you get into that community, but then when you're there, be the but then when you're there, be the but then when you're there, be the friend to others that you wish they friend to others that you wish they friend to others that you wish they would be to you. And then with that, would be to you. And then with that, would be to you. And then with that, contribute before you evaluate. So, as contribute before you evaluate. So, as contribute before you evaluate. So, as you get into a community, so if you you get into a community, so if you you get into a community, so if you don't have it yet, you get it in before don't have it yet, you get it in before don't have it yet, you get it in before you evaluate and thinking, "Oh, is this you evaluate and thinking, "Oh, is this you evaluate and thinking, "Oh, is this for me or not?" contribute before you for me or not?" contribute before you for me or not?" contribute before you evaluate. Because let me just tell you, evaluate. Because let me just tell you, evaluate. Because let me just tell you, if you go in there and you're just if you go in there and you're just if you go in there and you're just sitting there and you never say anything sitting there and you never say anything sitting there and you never say anything and then afterwards like, "Well, that and then afterwards like, "Well, that and then afterwards like, "Well, that was awkward and I didn't enjoy it."

was awkward and I didn't enjoy it." was awkward and I didn't enjoy it." Well, I can tell you why. Well, I can tell you why. Well, I can tell you why. >> I can tell [laughter] you why. Because >> I can tell [laughter] you why. Because >> I can tell [laughter] you why. Because you just sat there and you didn't you just sat there and you didn't you just sat there and you didn't contribute. So, contribute before you contribute. So, contribute before you contribute. So, contribute before you evaluate. And then finally, I would just evaluate. And then finally, I would just evaluate. And then finally, I would just tell to people, it's like, "Man, build tell to people, it's like, "Man, build tell to people, it's like, "Man, build rituals." And what I mean is I don't rituals." And what I mean is I don't rituals." And what I mean is I don't mean anything fancy. I just mean build. mean anything fancy. I just mean build. mean anything fancy. I just mean build. >> We're not talking about Catholicism yet. >> We're not talking about Catholicism yet. >> We're not talking about Catholicism yet. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> We're getting there. We're getting >> We're getting there. We're getting >> We're getting there. We're getting there. there. there. Don't build that kind of ritual. Calm Don't build that kind of ritual. Calm Don't build that kind of ritual. Calm down. Don't don't build [laughter] that. down. Don't don't build [laughter] that. down. Don't don't build [laughter] that. But what I mean is build routines. And But what I mean is build routines. And But what I mean is build routines. And so like I've just learned that man so like I've just learned that man so like I've just learned that man sometimes you do meet a group of friends sometimes you do meet a group of friends sometimes you do meet a group of friends that you just click immediately. Other that you just click immediately. Other that you just click immediately. Other times it just takes time. But what times it just takes time. But what times it just takes time. But what happens is is if you're like, "Hey man, happens is is if you're like, "Hey man, happens is is if you're like, "Hey man, we're just going to meet every Sunday we're just going to meet every Sunday we're just going to meet every Sunday unless just an emergency happens and it unless just an emergency happens and it unless just an emergency happens and it could be to play around the golf or it could be to play around the golf or it could be to play around the golf or it could be to get together coffee shop if could be to get together coffee shop if could be to get together coffee shop if you're ladies, whatever." Build rituals you're ladies, whatever." Build rituals you're ladies, whatever." Build rituals and then stick to it and over the long and then stick to it and over the long and then stick to it and over the long haul those relationships will click. haul those relationships will click. haul those relationships will click. I'll just be real with you. And I've I'll just be real with you. And I've I'll just be real with you. And I've told my my rooted group this so this told my my rooted group this so this told my my rooted group this so this won't be surprising to them. I did won't be surprising to them. I did won't be surprising to them. I did rooted for with my wife and we did with rooted for with my wife and we did with rooted for with my wife and we did with some other couples about a year ago. And some other couples about a year ago. And some other couples about a year ago. And that first week I was looking at the that first week I was looking at the that first week I was looking at the group. I'm like I just don't know that group. I'm like I just don't know that group. I'm like I just don't know that this group is going to jail. Like I was this group is going to jail. Like I was this group is going to jail. Like I was leading the group and I was like I just leading the group and I was like I just leading the group and I was like I just don't know. But this thing just happened don't know. But this thing just happened don't know. But this thing just happened as we were getting. No, I just didn't.

as we were getting. No, I just didn't. as we were getting. No, I just didn't. They're very different types of people They're very different types of people They're very different types of people in the group. Wow. I'm kidding. Put in the group. Wow. I'm kidding. Put in the group. Wow. I'm kidding. Put stuff in my mouth that I did not say. Go stuff in my mouth that I did not say. Go stuff in my mouth that I did not say. Go ahead. I'm kidding. You know, I was just ahead. I'm kidding. You know, I was just ahead. I'm kidding. You know, I was just thinking they were very different types thinking they were very different types thinking they were very different types of people and I was like, I don't know of people and I was like, I don't know of people and I was like, I don't know if they're going to click and gel if they're going to click and gel if they're going to click and gel together. And then sure, sure sure together. And then sure, sure sure together. And then sure, sure sure enough, those man people told their enough, those man people told their enough, those man people told their stories and as we met week after week stories and as we met week after week stories and as we met week after week and we go further in, man, by the end, and we go further in, man, by the end, and we go further in, man, by the end, we are a band of brothers and sisters. we are a band of brothers and sisters. we are a band of brothers and sisters. And then now we're an ongoing group and And then now we're an ongoing group and And then now we're an ongoing group and we text each other throughout the week. we text each other throughout the week. we text each other throughout the week. We've got a couple this week that's We've got a couple this week that's We've got a couple this week that's struggling and we're just texting each struggling and we're just texting each struggling and we're just texting each other back and forth just trying to other back and forth just trying to other back and forth just trying to encourage. So what I'm saying is it can encourage. So what I'm saying is it can encourage. So what I'm saying is it can take time. Keep build rituals, build take time. Keep build rituals, build take time. Keep build rituals, build routine, stick to it, and you'll be routine, stick to it, and you'll be routine, stick to it, and you'll be surprised what God can do in you and surprised what God can do in you and surprised what God can do in you and your group together. your group together. your group together. >> That's helpful. >> That's helpful. >> That's helpful. >> Yeah. I got some stuff, but I will let >> Yeah. I got some stuff, but I will let >> Yeah. I got some stuff, but I will let you transition if you have any. you transition if you have any. you transition if you have any. >> Yeah. Are we are we in the next thing we >> Yeah. Are we are we in the next thing we >> Yeah. Are we are we in the next thing we going here? Okay. going here? Okay. going here? Okay. >> Oh, goodness. >> Oh, goodness. >> Oh, goodness. >> Yeah. All right. Let's talk about this. >> Yeah. All right. Let's talk about this. >> Yeah. All right. Let's talk about this. So, first of all, we'll just put the So, first of all, we'll just put the So, first of all, we'll just put the we'll put a pin in that. Hey, again, I we'll put a pin in that. Hey, again, I we'll put a pin in that. Hey, again, I just want to say this. If you're part of just want to say this. If you're part of just want to say this. If you're part of Lake Point, you need a text rooted 2041, Lake Point, you need a text rooted 2041, Lake Point, you need a text rooted 2041, right? Get get in your banded brothers, right? Get get in your banded brothers, right? Get get in your banded brothers, band of sisters. Okay. Now, uh Paul, I band of sisters. Okay. Now, uh Paul, I band of sisters. Okay. Now, uh Paul, I want you to talk about this. So, a lot want you to talk about this. So, a lot want you to talk about this. So, a lot of people read passages like this. So, of people read passages like this. So, of people read passages like this. So, here's we're going to talk about things.

here's we're going to talk about things. here's we're going to talk about things. It is actually forbidden for Christians It is actually forbidden for Christians It is actually forbidden for Christians to pray. to pray. to pray. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Deal with that. >> Deal with that. >> Deal with that. >> Okay. Stick that in your Bible and smoke >> Okay. Stick that in your Bible and smoke >> Okay. Stick that in your Bible and smoke it. What things Paul it. What things Paul it. What things Paul >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> are forbidden for a Christian to pray? >> are forbidden for a Christian to pray? >> are forbidden for a Christian to pray? Because people read passages like this Because people read passages like this Because people read passages like this and honestly Paul feels a little savage. and honestly Paul feels a little savage. and honestly Paul feels a little savage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> He specifically says, where is it? Which >> He specifically says, where is it? Which >> He specifically says, where is it? Which verse is it? verse is it? verse is it? >> 14. 14. >> 14. 14. >> 14. 14. >> 14. He says about uh Alexander the >> 14. He says about uh Alexander the >> 14. He says about uh Alexander the coppermith uh he spec may the Lord repay coppermith uh he spec may the Lord repay coppermith uh he spec may the Lord repay him according to his deeds. In other him according to his deeds. In other him according to his deeds. In other words, sick him Jesus. [laughter] words, sick him Jesus. [laughter] words, sick him Jesus. [laughter] >> Get him Lord. >> Get him Lord. >> Get him Lord. >> Get him Lord. >> Get him Lord. >> Get him Lord. >> So honestly, let's talk about this. And >> So honestly, let's talk about this. And >> So honestly, let's talk about this. And this kind of dovetales into like a mega this kind of dovetales into like a mega this kind of dovetales into like a mega viral thing that became viral thing that became viral thing that became >> just a smidge of a debate >> just a smidge of a debate >> just a smidge of a debate >> between Protestants, Catholics. This >> between Protestants, Catholics. This >> between Protestants, Catholics. This week online, Paul, talk to us about uh week online, Paul, talk to us about uh week online, Paul, talk to us about uh things Christians should not never pray. things Christians should not never pray. things Christians should not never pray. >> Yeah, things we shouldn't pray. I'll >> Yeah, things we shouldn't pray. I'll >> Yeah, things we shouldn't pray. I'll start with we should never pray for the start with we should never pray for the start with we should never pray for the Boston Red Sox to win a World Series. Boston Red Sox to win a World Series. Boston Red Sox to win a World Series. >> Oh my. >> Oh my. >> Oh my. >> Or for the Alabama Crimson Tide to win a >> Or for the Alabama Crimson Tide to win a >> Or for the Alabama Crimson Tide to win a national championship. Listen, if you're national championship. Listen, if you're national championship. Listen, if you're on team Jesus, unacceptable. Just go to on team Jesus, unacceptable. Just go to on team Jesus, unacceptable. Just go to Leviticus. There's clear verses for Leviticus. There's clear verses for Leviticus. There's clear verses for this. I'm teasing. That's not World this. I'm teasing. That's not World this. I'm teasing. That's not World Start. No.

Start. No. Start. No. >> Or who's your baseball team? >> Or who's your baseball team? >> Or who's your baseball team? >> Who's I'm a Cubs fan. I'm a Cubs fan. >> Who's I'm a Cubs fan. I'm a Cubs fan. >> Who's I'm a Cubs fan. I'm a Cubs fan. Jesus loves the least of these. So do I. Jesus loves the least of these. So do I. Jesus loves the least of these. So do I. Um, so anyways, [laughter] so a few Um, so anyways, [laughter] so a few Um, so anyways, [laughter] so a few things that we should not pray for. things that we should not pray for. things that we should not pray for. Let's start with this one. And we should Let's start with this one. And we should Let's start with this one. And we should not pray for vengeance on our enemies. not pray for vengeance on our enemies. not pray for vengeance on our enemies. But then if you just read that verse But then if you just read that verse But then if you just read that verse like, wait a second, it seems like what like, wait a second, it seems like what like, wait a second, it seems like what Paul just said is what he just prayed. Paul just said is what he just prayed. Paul just said is what he just prayed. Let me start with a principle of Let me start with a principle of Let me start with a principle of learning to read the Bible well and of learning to read the Bible well and of learning to read the Bible well and of being a good theologian. Theologian being a good theologian. Theologian being a good theologian. Theologian sounds fancy, but a theologian is sounds fancy, but a theologian is sounds fancy, but a theologian is someone who has thoughts about God or someone who has thoughts about God or someone who has thoughts about God or says words about God. And that is every says words about God. And that is every says words about God. And that is every person on planet Earth. So if you're person on planet Earth. So if you're person on planet Earth. So if you're going to be a good one, here's a little going to be a good one, here's a little going to be a good one, here's a little tip for you. Don't build a whole tip for you. Don't build a whole tip for you. Don't build a whole theology on one verse alone. Instead, theology on one verse alone. Instead, theology on one verse alone. Instead, you have to ask, what does the whole you have to ask, what does the whole you have to ask, what does the whole Bible have to say about any given issue Bible have to say about any given issue Bible have to say about any given issue or question? And in this case, there are or question? And in this case, there are or question? And in this case, there are other verses about how do you pray for other verses about how do you pray for other verses about how do you pray for enemies and how do you approach enemies? enemies and how do you approach enemies? enemies and how do you approach enemies? Let me read some for you. This is from Let me read some for you. This is from Let me read some for you. This is from Jesus in Matthew 5:44. But I say to you, Jesus in Matthew 5:44. But I say to you, Jesus in Matthew 5:44. But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who love your enemies and pray for those who love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. Romans 12. So, this is persecute you. Romans 12. So, this is persecute you. Romans 12. So, this is the same Apostle Paul that just said the same Apostle Paul that just said the same Apostle Paul that just said these verses. I'm going to come back and these verses. I'm going to come back and these verses. I'm going to come back and say actually what this means. I'm just say actually what this means. I'm just say actually what this means. I'm just trying to help you understand like let's trying to help you understand like let's trying to help you understand like let's leave this verse for a second. See what leave this verse for a second. See what leave this verse for a second. See what other verses say and then come back to other verses say and then come back to other verses say and then come back to this verse. Paul in Romans 12 says, this verse. Paul in Romans 12 says, this verse. Paul in Romans 12 says, "Bless those who persecute you."

"Bless those who persecute you." "Bless those who persecute you." Alexander was persecuting him. And here Alexander was persecuting him. And here Alexander was persecuting him. And here he says that he would say, "Bless he says that he would say, "Bless he says that he would say, "Bless Alexander. Bless and do not curse them. Alexander. Bless and do not curse them. Alexander. Bless and do not curse them. Repay no one evil for evil. Beloved, Repay no one evil for evil. Beloved, Repay no one evil for evil. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to never avenge yourselves, but leave it to never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God." First Corinthians 4, the wrath of God." First Corinthians 4, the wrath of God." First Corinthians 4, when reviled, we bless. When persecuted, when reviled, we bless. When persecuted, when reviled, we bless. When persecuted, we endure. Then if you go even just kind we endure. Then if you go even just kind we endure. Then if you go even just kind of like it can almost sound here like of like it can almost sound here like of like it can almost sound here like Paul is saying, I hope this guy never Paul is saying, I hope this guy never Paul is saying, I hope this guy never gets saved. But we know that's not true gets saved. But we know that's not true gets saved. But we know that's not true because if you go to other places again because if you go to other places again because if you go to other places again in scripture, Paul says the exact in scripture, Paul says the exact in scripture, Paul says the exact opposite in 1 Timothy 1, he actually opposite in 1 Timothy 1, he actually opposite in 1 Timothy 1, he actually Paul is referring to himself. He says, Paul is referring to himself. He says, Paul is referring to himself. He says, "I was a blaspher, persecutor, and "I was a blaspher, persecutor, and "I was a blaspher, persecutor, and violent man and the foremost of violent man and the foremost of violent man and the foremost of sinners." And he goes on, he says, "But sinners." And he goes on, he says, "But sinners." And he goes on, he says, "But Jesus saved me Jesus saved me Jesus saved me >> so that he could show you that no one, >> so that he could show you that no one, >> so that he could show you that no one, no, and no one is too far beyond the no, and no one is too far beyond the no, and no one is too far beyond the grace of God and beyond his grace of God and beyond his grace of God and beyond his forgiveness." Um, and in second Timothy forgiveness." Um, and in second Timothy forgiveness." Um, and in second Timothy actually says that God may grant our actually says that God may grant our actually says that God may grant our opponents repentance. So, he's not opponents repentance. So, he's not opponents repentance. So, he's not saying here that, man, I hope this guy saying here that, man, I hope this guy saying here that, man, I hope this guy goes to hell and there's no hope for goes to hell and there's no hope for goes to hell and there's no hope for him. Instead, what he's doing is he's him. Instead, what he's doing is he's him. Instead, what he's doing is he's actually recalling uh language from the actually recalling uh language from the actually recalling uh language from the Old Testament that was often used when Old Testament that was often used when Old Testament that was often used when people were opposing God and the work of people were opposing God and the work of people were opposing God and the work of God.

God. God. >> Are you going to talk about impregatory >> Are you going to talk about impregatory >> Are you going to talk about impregatory psalms? psalms? psalms? >> I'm going to hit some of them and some >> I'm going to hit some of them and some >> I'm going to hit some of them and some verses from a few of them. Um, you get verses from a few of them. Um, you get verses from a few of them. Um, you get some verses in the Old Testament like 2 some verses in the Old Testament like 2 some verses in the Old Testament like 2 Samuel 3:39 where it says, "The Lord Samuel 3:39 where it says, "The Lord Samuel 3:39 where it says, "The Lord repay the evildoer according to his repay the evildoer according to his repay the evildoer according to his wickedness." In the book of Psalms, you wickedness." In the book of Psalms, you wickedness." In the book of Psalms, you do have verses that some people called do have verses that some people called do have verses that some people called them impregatory psalms. Really praying them impregatory psalms. Really praying them impregatory psalms. Really praying against people. But remember, these are against people. But remember, these are against people. But remember, these are not people like it's not like they cut not people like it's not like they cut not people like it's not like they cut them off in traffic and made them a them off in traffic and made them a them off in traffic and made them a little mad. These were people who were little mad. These were people who were little mad. These were people who were evil people who were opposing the work evil people who were opposing the work evil people who were opposing the work of God. And it says in Psalm 28:4, for of God. And it says in Psalm 28:4, for of God. And it says in Psalm 28:4, for example, give to them according to their example, give to them according to their example, give to them according to their work and according to their evil deed. work and according to their evil deed. work and according to their evil deed. Psalm 62:12, Psalm 62:12, Psalm 62:12, for you will render to a man according for you will render to a man according for you will render to a man according to his work. Paul alludes to these to his work. Paul alludes to these to his work. Paul alludes to these passages not just here but in Romans 2:6 passages not just here but in Romans 2:6 passages not just here but in Romans 2:6 where he says he will render each one where he says he will render each one where he says he will render each one according to his work. Here's why that according to his work. Here's why that according to his work. Here's why that matters in Romans. In that section in matters in Romans. In that section in matters in Romans. In that section in Romans, Paul is making the case that the Romans, Paul is making the case that the Romans, Paul is making the case that the wrath of God is coming on every person wrath of God is coming on every person wrath of God is coming on every person because every person has sinned. because every person has sinned. because every person has sinned. >> And apart from Christ, they have no >> And apart from Christ, they have no >> And apart from Christ, they have no hope. Mhm. hope. Mhm. hope. Mhm. >> But then in Romans 3, we see he says, >> But then in Romans 3, we see he says, >> But then in Romans 3, we see he says, "But if you place your faith in Jesus, "But if you place your faith in Jesus, "But if you place your faith in Jesus, that changes that changes that changes >> that no matter what you've done, you can >> that no matter what you've done, you can >> that no matter what you've done, you can be saved and you be forgiven." So if you be saved and you be forgiven." So if you be saved and you be forgiven." So if you repent, you will receive forgiveness and repent, you will receive forgiveness and repent, you will receive forgiveness and then you don't receive what you deserve.

then you don't receive what you deserve. then you don't receive what you deserve. >> You receive grace and mercy. You receive >> You receive grace and mercy. You receive >> You receive grace and mercy. You receive something you don't deserve. something you don't deserve. something you don't deserve. >> But if you don't repent, you do receive >> But if you don't repent, you do receive >> But if you don't repent, you do receive what you deserve, which is God's what you deserve, which is God's what you deserve, which is God's judgment. So what Paul is doing here is judgment. So what Paul is doing here is judgment. So what Paul is doing here is not saying man I hope that Alexander not saying man I hope that Alexander not saying man I hope that Alexander never comes to know Christ and he spends never comes to know Christ and he spends never comes to know Christ and he spends eternity apart from him in hell. What eternity apart from him in hell. What eternity apart from him in hell. What he's doing here is saying that if he's doing here is saying that if he's doing here is saying that if Alexander keeps on this motion again Alexander keeps on this motion again Alexander keeps on this motion again like what most people would say here is like what most people would say here is like what most people would say here is that Alexander was the one who turned that Alexander was the one who turned that Alexander was the one who turned Paul over to the Roman authorities. Paul over to the Roman authorities. Paul over to the Roman authorities. >> Yeah I've heard that. I read that >> Yeah I've heard that. I read that >> Yeah I've heard that. I read that >> he said he did me great harm is what he >> he said he did me great harm is what he >> he said he did me great harm is what he said. said. said. >> He did him great harm and he testified >> He did him great harm and he testified >> He did him great harm and he testified against him. against him. against him. >> Yeah. So in other words what you got is >> Yeah. So in other words what you got is >> Yeah. So in other words what you got is you may have a situation where this is you may have a situation where this is you may have a situation where this is the guy that results in Paul's death the guy that results in Paul's death the guy that results in Paul's death sentence. sentence. sentence. >> Exactly. Yeah. And so, and then he says, >> Exactly. Yeah. And so, and then he says, >> Exactly. Yeah. And so, and then he says, "Hey, stay away from this guy." Which by "Hey, stay away from this guy." Which by "Hey, stay away from this guy." Which by the way is wise. He's like, "Hey guys, the way is wise. He's like, "Hey guys, the way is wise. He's like, "Hey guys, stay clear of this guy. He's the one who stay clear of this guy. He's the one who stay clear of this guy. He's the one who did me harm." And he's saying, "If did me harm." And he's saying, "If did me harm." And he's saying, "If Alexander keeps on this, he is going to Alexander keeps on this, he is going to Alexander keeps on this, he is going to have to face judgment and he's going to have to face judgment and he's going to have to face judgment and he's going to get what he deserves." get what he deserves." get what he deserves." >> But I would also say Paul says, "But >> But I would also say Paul says, "But >> But I would also say Paul says, "But hey, if he were to place his faith in hey, if he were to place his faith in hey, if he were to place his faith in Jesus, he'll be like me." Jesus, he'll be like me." Jesus, he'll be like me." >> Of course, >> Of course, >> Of course, >> I was the worst of I don't I may >> I was the worst of I don't I may >> I was the worst of I don't I may disagree with you and there's nothing disagree with you and there's nothing disagree with you and there's nothing wrong with that. So, you you do not wrong with that. So, you you do not wrong with that. So, you you do not think that it's appropriate for a think that it's appropriate for a think that it's appropriate for a Christian to pray an impregatory song? Christian to pray an impregatory song? Christian to pray an impregatory song? >> Oh, no, no. I'm going to get to that.

>> Oh, no, no. I'm going to get to that. >> Oh, no, no. I'm going to get to that. So, here's here's what I say. I was So, here's here's what I say. I was So, here's here's what I say. I was going to say I do think there are times going to say I do think there are times going to say I do think there are times when it is appropriate for Christians to when it is appropriate for Christians to when it is appropriate for Christians to go get them God. go get them God. go get them God. >> Yep. So here's I was let me clarify for >> Yep. So here's I was let me clarify for >> Yep. So here's I was let me clarify for people that don't speak fancy language. people that don't speak fancy language. people that don't speak fancy language. Uh the impregatory psalms. Uh the impregatory psalms. Uh the impregatory psalms. >> Okay. Impregatory psalms. They're these >> Okay. Impregatory psalms. They're these >> Okay. Impregatory psalms. They're these psalms that that's good Carlos. Thank psalms that that's good Carlos. Thank psalms that that's good Carlos. Thank you. They're the there's honestly you. They're the there's honestly you. They're the there's honestly they're the ones that cause people the they're the ones that cause people the they're the ones that cause people the uh emotional problems when they read the uh emotional problems when they read the uh emotional problems when they read the Psalms. It's things where David said I'm Psalms. It's things where David said I'm Psalms. It's things where David said I'm just going to say it. It's very just going to say it. It's very just going to say it. It's very aggressive. David says things like dash aggressive. David says things like dash aggressive. David says things like dash their children against the rocks, break their children against the rocks, break their children against the rocks, break their teeth. Now that is uh from my their teeth. Now that is uh from my their teeth. Now that is uh from my rudimentary study. It's been a couple rudimentary study. It's been a couple rudimentary study. It's been a couple years that some of that is it's more years that some of that is it's more years that some of that is it's more apocalyptic language that was sort of apocalyptic language that was sort of apocalyptic language that was sort of generally generally generally euphemisms euphemisms euphemisms >> that would be used. But yeah, dude, you >> that would be used. But yeah, dude, you >> that would be used. But yeah, dude, you read six or there's six or eight of them read six or there's six or eight of them read six or there's six or eight of them in the Psalms where literally David's in the Psalms where literally David's in the Psalms where literally David's like, "Dash their infants against the like, "Dash their infants against the like, "Dash their infants against the rocks, break their teeth, kill all of rocks, break their teeth, kill all of rocks, break their teeth, kill all of them. I hope you do it." them. I hope you do it." them. I hope you do it." >> Yeah. Impregatory means to uh call upon >> Yeah. Impregatory means to uh call upon >> Yeah. Impregatory means to uh call upon a curse uh or like a judgment over a curse uh or like a judgment over a curse uh or like a judgment over somebody. But yeah, somebody. But yeah, somebody. But yeah, >> so no, let me I was about to get there. >> so no, let me I was about to get there. >> so no, let me I was about to get there. So what I say is we should not pray for So what I say is we should not pray for So what I say is we should not pray for God to take vengeance in the sense of God to take vengeance in the sense of God to take vengeance in the sense of saying God do evil against him and send saying God do evil against him and send saying God do evil against him and send him to hell and don't give him a chance him to hell and don't give him a chance him to hell and don't give him a chance to be saved. No, we should not do that.

to be saved. No, we should not do that. to be saved. No, we should not do that. But what should we do in the case of if But what should we do in the case of if But what should we do in the case of if someone is persecuting us or persecuting someone is persecuting us or persecuting someone is persecuting us or persecuting Christians or opposing the faith? I say Christians or opposing the faith? I say Christians or opposing the faith? I say we should pray three things for them. we should pray three things for them. we should pray three things for them. Number one, we should pray for their Number one, we should pray for their Number one, we should pray for their salvation. salvation. salvation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We should pray, God, would you be would >> We should pray, God, would you be would >> We should pray, God, would you be would they could they be like an Apostle Paul they could they be like an Apostle Paul they could they be like an Apostle Paul where even though they're opposing us, where even though they're opposing us, where even though they're opposing us, you stood in the way and changed them you stood in the way and changed them you stood in the way and changed them and they became the greatest preacher of and they became the greatest preacher of and they became the greatest preacher of the gospel in this generation. We should the gospel in this generation. We should the gospel in this generation. We should pray for that. But number two, we should pray for that. But number two, we should pray for that. But number two, we should also pray for our and for others also pray for our and for others also pray for our and for others protection. protection. protection. >> That is okay to pray. In fact, I want to >> That is okay to pray. In fact, I want to >> That is okay to pray. In fact, I want to maybe even walk through an example of maybe even walk through an example of maybe even walk through an example of how I prayed over this in the last year. how I prayed over this in the last year. how I prayed over this in the last year. >> How much how many things are you going >> How much how many things are you going >> How much how many things are you going to go through? to go through? to go through? >> One more. Oh, you mean the other >> One more. Oh, you mean the other >> One more. Oh, you mean the other question? question? question? >> The whole Yep. >> The whole Yep. >> The whole Yep. >> Uh like the next one we should pray for >> Uh like the next one we should pray for >> Uh like the next one we should pray for or like the other things we should not or like the other things we should not or like the other things we should not pray for. pray for. pray for. >> How many things do you have that we >> How many things do you have that we >> How many things do you have that we shouldn't pray for? shouldn't pray for? shouldn't pray for? >> I'll just give one more and we can get >> I'll just give one more and we can get >> I'll just give one more and we can get into the Roman Cath Cathology. Is that into the Roman Cath Cathology. Is that into the Roman Cath Cathology. Is that okay? Um but on this one, say number okay? Um but on this one, say number okay? Um but on this one, say number three, we should pray for God's three, we should pray for God's three, we should pray for God's vindication. It's okay to pray for God's vindication. It's okay to pray for God's vindication. It's okay to pray for God's justice to be done in the world. And so justice to be done in the world. And so justice to be done in the world. And so let me kind of put all these together. let me kind of put all these together. let me kind of put all these together. Let me put all these. So we should pray Let me put all these. So we should pray Let me put all these. So we should pray for people's salvation like the actual for people's salvation like the actual for people's salvation like the actual the persecutors. We should pray for our the persecutors. We should pray for our the persecutors. We should pray for our protection and we should pray for God's protection and we should pray for God's protection and we should pray for God's vindication. So it's probably easiest to vindication. So it's probably easiest to vindication. So it's probably easiest to give an example. So when I saw the story give an example. So when I saw the story give an example. So when I saw the story last year of the persecution of last year of the persecution of last year of the persecution of Christians in Nigeria Christians in Nigeria Christians in Nigeria >> broke my heart and filled me with anger.

>> broke my heart and filled me with anger. >> broke my heart and filled me with anger. And by the way, that's okay. That's And by the way, that's okay. That's And by the way, that's okay. That's right. right. right. >> Like if I don't get angry at that, >> Like if I don't get angry at that, >> Like if I don't get angry at that, there's something wrong in me. And so there's something wrong in me. And so there's something wrong in me. And so here's what I pray. I say, God, the men here's what I pray. I say, God, the men here's what I pray. I say, God, the men that are persecuting and killing these that are persecuting and killing these that are persecuting and killing these Christians and pastors and churches, Christians and pastors and churches, Christians and pastors and churches, would you save them? would you save them? would you save them? >> God, you saved me. You saved the Apostle >> God, you saved me. You saved the Apostle >> God, you saved me. You saved the Apostle Paul. would you save them? But God, if Paul. would you save them? But God, if Paul. would you save them? But God, if they're not going to be saved, would you they're not going to be saved, would you they're not going to be saved, would you do whatever it takes to stop them, do whatever it takes to stop them, do whatever it takes to stop them, including if you have to take them out? including if you have to take them out? including if you have to take them out? >> That's exactly right. >> That's exactly right. >> That's exactly right. >> And I think I can pray both of those >> And I think I can pray both of those >> And I think I can pray both of those things. That's different than if I'd things. That's different than if I'd things. That's different than if I'd said, "God, I hate those people. Send said, "God, I hate those people. Send said, "God, I hate those people. Send them to hell." them to hell." them to hell." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz oh no, he had mercy on me. I wanted >> Cuz oh no, he had mercy on me. I wanted >> Cuz oh no, he had mercy on me. I wanted to have mercy on them, too. But it's to have mercy on them, too. But it's to have mercy on them, too. But it's like, God, does that make sense? That's like, God, does that make sense? That's like, God, does that make sense? That's what I'd say. So, let me give you uh let what I'd say. So, let me give you uh let what I'd say. So, let me give you uh let me give you two and then the second one me give you two and then the second one me give you two and then the second one that will be the thing that we can then that will be the thing that we can then that will be the thing that we can then talk about. I'll just say this real talk about. I'll just say this real talk about. I'll just say this real fast. You don't have to pray about fast. You don't have to pray about fast. You don't have to pray about something if God has clearly commanded something if God has clearly commanded something if God has clearly commanded you to do it. So, I've done this before you to do it. So, I've done this before you to do it. So, I've done this before where it's like I've been talking to where it's like I've been talking to where it's like I've been talking to people about them taking a step of people about them taking a step of people about them taking a step of baptism. Like, I'll pray about that. And baptism. Like, I'll pray about that. And baptism. Like, I'll pray about that. And I've just got to point like you don't I've just got to point like you don't I've just got to point like you don't have to pray about that. You can pray have to pray about that. You can pray have to pray about that. You can pray about like win or something like that, about like win or something like that, about like win or something like that, but you don't have to pray if you do it. but you don't have to pray if you do it. but you don't have to pray if you do it. You should just take that's called a You should just take that's called a You should just take that's called a step of obedience. Not a prayer that you step of obedience. Not a prayer that you step of obedience. Not a prayer that you need to offer. But here's one big one, need to offer. But here's one big one, need to offer. But here's one big one, and this is going to lead us in some of and this is going to lead us in some of and this is going to lead us in some of these other things. One thing that you these other things. One thing that you these other things. One thing that you shouldn't pray is you shouldn't pray to shouldn't pray is you shouldn't pray to shouldn't pray is you shouldn't pray to Mary or two saints in order to pray Mary or two saints in order to pray Mary or two saints in order to pray together.

together. together. >> Oh, he's going there. He's going there. >> Oh, he's going there. He's going there. >> Oh, he's going there. He's going there. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Now that I've opened up that, now we can >> Now that I've opened up that, now we can >> Now that I've opened up that, now we can get to the fun stuff. get to the fun stuff. get to the fun stuff. >> Okay. He's going there. >> Okay. He's going there. >> Okay. He's going there. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Wait, hold before we go there. Josh, did >> Wait, hold before we go there. Josh, did >> Wait, hold before we go there. Josh, did you have a different perspective on uh you have a different perspective on uh you have a different perspective on uh impurgatory psalms or like praying impurgatory psalms or like praying impurgatory psalms or like praying judgment or or judgment or or judgment or or >> No, he I think he clarified. >> No, he I think he clarified. >> No, he I think he clarified. >> I don't think it is completely >> I don't think it is completely >> I don't think it is completely appropriate appropriate appropriate >> to pray for the justice of God to fall >> to pray for the justice of God to fall >> to pray for the justice of God to fall on unrepentant sinners. on unrepentant sinners. on unrepentant sinners. >> And so, in fact, we don't have time to >> And so, in fact, we don't have time to >> And so, in fact, we don't have time to do this, but if you want if a really do this, but if you want if a really do this, but if you want if a really interesting Bible study, this is really interesting Bible study, this is really interesting Bible study, this is really actually really interesting. Romans 12 actually really interesting. Romans 12 actually really interesting. Romans 12 and 13. You got to remember there's no and 13. You got to remember there's no and 13. You got to remember there's no chapter. There's no chapter. Jesus chapter. There's no chapter. Jesus chapter. There's no chapter. Jesus didn't write the chapter distinction. didn't write the chapter distinction. didn't write the chapter distinction. So, it's all one little thing. So, it's all one little thing. So, it's all one little thing. >> At the end of Romans 12, uh Paul says, >> At the end of Romans 12, uh Paul says, >> At the end of Romans 12, uh Paul says, "Do not take vengeance." Yes. Leave room "Do not take vengeance." Yes. Leave room "Do not take vengeance." Yes. Leave room for God's wrath. for God's wrath. for God's wrath. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Vengeance is mine. I will pay, >> Okay. Vengeance is mine. I will pay, >> Okay. Vengeance is mine. I will pay, says the Lord. Well, if you're a reader, says the Lord. Well, if you're a reader, says the Lord. Well, if you're a reader, you're like, "Well, okay. Leave room for you're like, "Well, okay. Leave room for you're like, "Well, okay. Leave room for God's wrath. How do I do that?" Well, God's wrath. How do I do that?" Well, God's wrath. How do I do that?" Well, Romans 13 starts talking about the role Romans 13 starts talking about the role Romans 13 starts talking about the role of the government, and which we talk of the government, and which we talk of the government, and which we talk about this frequently on the podcast, about this frequently on the podcast, about this frequently on the podcast, the differentiation between the role of the differentiation between the role of the differentiation between the role of the individual and the role of the the individual and the role of the the individual and the role of the state. state. state. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, Romans, remember it now. So, >> Okay. So, Romans, remember it now. So, >> Okay. So, Romans, remember it now. So, you're you read you finish Romans 12 and you're you read you finish Romans 12 and you're you read you finish Romans 12 and you're like, "Huh, I wonder how I'm you're like, "Huh, I wonder how I'm you're like, "Huh, I wonder how I'm supposed to leave room for God's wrath supposed to leave room for God's wrath supposed to leave room for God's wrath and God's vengeance." Okay. Well, Romans and God's vengeance." Okay. Well, Romans and God's vengeance." Okay. Well, Romans 13 goes, "Do you know what the role of 13 goes, "Do you know what the role of 13 goes, "Do you know what the role of the government is? To bear the sword to the government is? To bear the sword to the government is? To bear the sword to to be the agent of God's wrath on on to be the agent of God's wrath on on to be the agent of God's wrath on on earth." Yeah. To punish the evildoer. Uh earth." Yeah. To punish the evildoer. Uh earth." Yeah. To punish the evildoer. Uh to bring vengeance is what it's saying.

to bring vengeance is what it's saying. to bring vengeance is what it's saying. So, in other words, you see how those So, in other words, you see how those So, in other words, you see how those two things play. As an individual two things play. As an individual two things play. As an individual Christian, I'm like, "No, man. I pray Christian, I'm like, "No, man. I pray Christian, I'm like, "No, man. I pray for that person's salvation. It's for that person's salvation. It's for that person's salvation. It's actually appropriate for me. In fact, actually appropriate for me. In fact, actually appropriate for me. In fact, one way you practice forgiveness is by one way you practice forgiveness is by one way you practice forgiveness is by going, I'm not going to take vengeance. going, I'm not going to take vengeance. going, I'm not going to take vengeance. I'm going to pray for you to bring I'm going to pray for you to bring I'm going to pray for you to bring vengeance so I it doesn't leak out in my vengeance so I it doesn't leak out in my vengeance so I it doesn't leak out in my life. life. life. >> There you go. There you go. >> There you go. There you go. >> There you go. There you go. >> Yeah, that's great. >> Yeah, that's great. >> Yeah, that's great. >> Paul, you you wanted to talk about >> Paul, you you wanted to talk about >> Paul, you you wanted to talk about >> other things that maybe we can get to >> other things that maybe we can get to >> other things that maybe we can get to another time, but one thing I definitely another time, but one thing I definitely another time, but one thing I definitely think we should do, especially in light think we should do, especially in light think we should do, especially in light of a video that went viral this week, is of a video that went viral this week, is of a video that went viral this week, is we should not pray to Mary or to any we should not pray to Mary or to any we should not pray to Mary or to any other saint in order to pray to God. other saint in order to pray to God. other saint in order to pray to God. Okay. In one minute. What was it? Okay. In one minute. What was it? Okay. In one minute. What was it? >> I said we're sorry. Fine. >> I said we're sorry. Fine. >> I said we're sorry. Fine. >> Yeah. And this is not an attack on >> Yeah. And this is not an attack on >> Yeah. And this is not an attack on Catholics. It's just it's just Catholics. It's just it's just Catholics. It's just it's just >> it's not attack on Catholics. It's >> it's not attack on Catholics. It's >> it's not attack on Catholics. It's attack on Catholicism. [laughter] attack on Catholicism. [laughter] attack on Catholicism. [laughter] >> All right. Okay. Paul, here we go. >> All right. Okay. Paul, here we go. >> All right. Okay. Paul, here we go. >> You want to show the video? >> You want to show the video? >> You want to show the video? >> Did you want to Did you want to tell us >> Did you want to Did you want to tell us >> Did you want to Did you want to tell us why not to pray to Mary? Because this is why not to pray to Mary? Because this is why not to pray to Mary? Because this is a little bit different, but uh let's a little bit different, but uh let's a little bit different, but uh let's let's do your part uh in one minute. let's do your part uh in one minute. let's do your part uh in one minute. Paul, tell me why I shouldn't pray to Paul, tell me why I shouldn't pray to Paul, tell me why I shouldn't pray to Mary. Mary. Mary. >> Man, here's a question. If I was like, >> Man, here's a question. If I was like, >> Man, here's a question. If I was like, let's say like one of you guys was a let's say like one of you guys was a let's say like one of you guys was a Catholic. Here's what I'd ask you. Like, Catholic. Here's what I'd ask you. Like, Catholic. Here's what I'd ask you. Like, hey, what precisely is missing from my hey, what precisely is missing from my hey, what precisely is missing from my access to Christ that I have to go access to Christ that I have to go access to Christ that I have to go through Mary or someone else to make up through Mary or someone else to make up through Mary or someone else to make up for?

for? for? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, what does Mary know about my >> So, what does Mary know about my >> So, what does Mary know about my suffering that Jesus doesn't know? suffering that Jesus doesn't know? suffering that Jesus doesn't know? >> Does Mary love me more than Jesus does? >> Does Mary love me more than Jesus does? >> Does Mary love me more than Jesus does? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is Mary more merciful than Jesus? Uh, >> Is Mary more merciful than Jesus? Uh, >> Is Mary more merciful than Jesus? Uh, can she inform him of a need I don't can she inform him of a need I don't can she inform him of a need I don't have? Can she he of being another saint have? Can she he of being another saint have? Can she he of being another saint or she soften his disposition to me? No. or she soften his disposition to me? No. or she soften his disposition to me? No. Like what scripture says is Christ loves Like what scripture says is Christ loves Like what scripture says is Christ loves me. He knows my needs. He sympathizes me. He knows my needs. He sympathizes me. He knows my needs. He sympathizes with my weaknesses. He died for me. He with my weaknesses. He died for me. He with my weaknesses. He died for me. He intercedes for me. He invites for me to intercedes for me. He invites for me to intercedes for me. He invites for me to approach him boldly. He tells me that I approach him boldly. He tells me that I approach him boldly. He tells me that I can pray in his name. And because of can pray in his name. And because of can pray in his name. And because of that, I can approach the father boldly. that, I can approach the father boldly. that, I can approach the father boldly. And so with that, why would I have to go And so with that, why would I have to go And so with that, why would I have to go through anyone else if I can go straight through anyone else if I can go straight through anyone else if I can go straight to God myself? to God myself? to God myself? >> Um there's other arguments like that you >> Um there's other arguments like that you >> Um there's other arguments like that you could make that we are, you know, we if could make that we are, you know, we if could make that we are, you know, we if we had more time for. But here's what I we had more time for. But here's what I we had more time for. But here's what I would just say. What's absent and what's would just say. What's absent and what's would just say. What's absent and what's present? What's absent? Are any verses present? What's absent? Are any verses present? What's absent? Are any verses commanding me to pray to Mary or to a commanding me to pray to Mary or to a commanding me to pray to Mary or to a saint or showing people doing that? saint or showing people doing that? saint or showing people doing that? Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> you had James and Steven dy in the early >> you had James and Steven dy in the early >> you had James and Steven dy in the early parts of the church and nowhere after parts of the church and nowhere after parts of the church and nowhere after that is it, oh, let's pray to James and that is it, oh, let's pray to James and that is it, oh, let's pray to James and Stephen out there with Jesus because Stephen out there with Jesus because Stephen out there with Jesus because they're closer to him than us. You never they're closer to him than us. You never they're closer to him than us. You never see any of that. There's no evidence in see any of that. There's no evidence in see any of that. There's no evidence in the early church before the year 250 of the early church before the year 250 of the early church before the year 250 of praying to saints whatsoever.

praying to saints whatsoever. praying to saints whatsoever. >> Oh, interesting. 250 is when the first >> Oh, interesting. 250 is when the first >> Oh, interesting. 250 is when the first time time time >> 250 there's an inscription where it >> 250 there's an inscription where it >> 250 there's an inscription where it talks about uh Peter and Paul intercede talks about uh Peter and Paul intercede talks about uh Peter and Paul intercede for some guy named Victor, you know, for some guy named Victor, you know, for some guy named Victor, you know, kind of a thing. But before that, that's kind of a thing. But before that, that's kind of a thing. But before that, that's Wait, Peter. Oh, so interceded for Wait, Peter. Oh, so interceded for Wait, Peter. Oh, so interceded for Victor. Victor. Victor. >> About a dead Peter and Paul. Yeah, a >> About a dead Peter and Paul. Yeah, a >> About a dead Peter and Paul. Yeah, a dead pet dead pet dead pet >> interceding for victory about 250 >> interceding for victory about 250 >> interceding for victory about 250 >> 250 about 200 years 220 years after the >> 250 about 200 years 220 years after the >> 250 about 200 years 220 years after the time of Christ. It's it's a while. So time of Christ. It's it's a while. So time of Christ. It's it's a while. So there's nothing in the New Testament. there's nothing in the New Testament. there's nothing in the New Testament. There's nothing for the first couple There's nothing for the first couple There's nothing for the first couple hundred years. That's what's absent. hundred years. That's what's absent. hundred years. That's what's absent. What's present is a mountain of verses What's present is a mountain of verses What's present is a mountain of verses about us approaching God directly. I about us approaching God directly. I about us approaching God directly. I won't read all these for time sake, but won't read all these for time sake, but won't read all these for time sake, but you can go look them up. Matthew 66, you can go look them up. Matthew 66, you can go look them up. Matthew 66, Matthew 7:7-11, John 14:13-14, John Matthew 7:7-11, John 14:13-14, John Matthew 7:7-11, John 14:13-14, John 16:23-27, 16:23-27, 16:23-27, Philippians 4:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews Philippians 4:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews Philippians 4:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 4:14-16 just talks about us approaching 4:14-16 just talks about us approaching 4:14-16 just talks about us approaching God directly and praying to him, not God directly and praying to him, not God directly and praying to him, not praying to someone else to talk to him praying to someone else to talk to him praying to someone else to talk to him for me. I can talk to God directly. for me. I can talk to God directly. for me. I can talk to God directly. >> Okay. Isn't there like uh one verse in >> Okay. Isn't there like uh one verse in >> Okay. Isn't there like uh one verse in the Deuteronomical books that uh some the Deuteronomical books that uh some the Deuteronomical books that uh some Catholics might use to justify that? Catholics might use to justify that? Catholics might use to justify that? >> Yes, there is. In Mcabes, it talks about >> Yes, there is. In Mcabes, it talks about >> Yes, there is. In Mcabes, it talks about the idea of that being a possibility.

the idea of that being a possibility. the idea of that being a possibility. We've done a whole podcast on that, so We've done a whole podcast on that, so We've done a whole podcast on that, so we don't have time to get into it. we don't have time to get into it. we don't have time to get into it. >> What I would say to that is again, >> What I would say to that is again, >> What I would say to that is again, number one, we shouldn't build a whole number one, we shouldn't build a whole number one, we shouldn't build a whole theology for something we just have one theology for something we just have one theology for something we just have one verse on. Just a good general principle verse on. Just a good general principle verse on. Just a good general principle of life. of life. of life. >> And really quick, yeah, the dudero >> And really quick, yeah, the dudero >> And really quick, yeah, the dudero canonical books, we've done a whole canonical books, we've done a whole canonical books, we've done a whole podcast on this, but those were not podcast on this, but those were not podcast on this, but those were not included in the New Testament. Well, in included in the New Testament. Well, in included in the New Testament. Well, in the canon in general, those are not the canon in general, those are not the canon in general, those are not included in the the first first sources included in the the first first sources included in the the first first sources do not include those. do not include those. do not include those. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The earliest Christian list of >> The earliest Christian list of >> The earliest Christian list of scriptures we have, none of them have scriptures we have, none of them have scriptures we have, none of them have them at. you Paul shared a whole episode them at. you Paul shared a whole episode them at. you Paul shared a whole episode responding to Father Mike. We're going responding to Father Mike. We're going responding to Father Mike. We're going to include that in the uh notes. So, uh to include that in the uh notes. So, uh to include that in the uh notes. So, uh you explained there. Yeah. you explained there. Yeah. you explained there. Yeah. >> Yeah. But the idea is is Jesus Christ >> Yeah. But the idea is is Jesus Christ >> Yeah. But the idea is is Jesus Christ literally laid down his life for me so literally laid down his life for me so literally laid down his life for me so that I can have access to God. Why would that I can have access to God. Why would that I can have access to God. Why would I then go through anyone else if that he I then go through anyone else if that he I then go through anyone else if that he laid his down his life to give me that laid his down his life to give me that laid his down his life to give me that access? access? access? >> Okay. So, we're going to do a little >> Okay. So, we're going to do a little >> Okay. So, we're going to do a little experiment. So, um we want to at some experiment. So, um we want to at some experiment. So, um we want to at some point we want to test drive what would point we want to test drive what would point we want to test drive what would it look like to do an additional deeper it look like to do an additional deeper it look like to do an additional deeper dive uh potentially for feature free dive uh potentially for feature free dive uh potentially for feature free episodes. Obviously, there's a lot that episodes. Obviously, there's a lot that episodes. Obviously, there's a lot that you shared. So, if somebody's listening you shared. So, if somebody's listening you shared. So, if somebody's listening right now and if you're on YouTube or right now and if you're on YouTube or right now and if you're on YouTube or Spotify, if you have any questions Spotify, if you have any questions Spotify, if you have any questions regard any additional questions regard any additional questions regard any additional questions regarding what Paul just said, um, let regarding what Paul just said, um, let regarding what Paul just said, um, let us know in the comments and we want to us know in the comments and we want to us know in the comments and we want to review these and perhaps review these and perhaps review these and perhaps >> or anything from the podcast >> or anything from the podcast >> or anything from the podcast >> or anything. That's right. That's right.

>> or anything. That's right. That's right. >> or anything. That's right. That's right. >> Any question you have, drop it in the >> Any question you have, drop it in the >> Any question you have, drop it in the YouTube comments. We may test drive, YouTube comments. We may test drive, YouTube comments. We may test drive, >> pick three to five >> pick three to five >> pick three to five >> and do and do uh user response, >> and do and do uh user response, >> and do and do uh user response, >> an additional uh bonus episode. Um, so >> an additional uh bonus episode. Um, so >> an additional uh bonus episode. Um, so here's what we're going to do. Um, I here's what we're going to do. Um, I here's what we're going to do. Um, I want to show a video that went extremely want to show a video that went extremely want to show a video that went extremely viral uh for many reasons. I can explain viral uh for many reasons. I can explain viral uh for many reasons. I can explain why. And uh we're going to watch the why. And uh we're going to watch the why. And uh we're going to watch the video and then I'll tell you what it video and then I'll tell you what it video and then I'll tell you what it means and then we can we can talk about means and then we can we can talk about means and then we can we can talk about it. Yeah. it. Yeah. it. Yeah. >> Does that work? >> Does that work? >> Does that work? >> It's good. >> It's good. >> It's good. >> Let's do it. >> Let's do it. >> Let's do it. >> Okay. >> First of all, we're breaking like 30 >> First of all, we're breaking like 30 Levitical cleanliness laws. I just want Levitical cleanliness laws. I just want Levitical cleanliness laws. I just want to point that out. >> [music and singing] >> [music and singing] >> Are you going to tell me what I'm >> Are you going to tell me what I'm >> Are you going to tell me what I'm looking at here, Carlos? looking at here, Carlos? looking at here, Carlos? >> I was about to explain that, >> bro. [music] There ain't no way. >> bro. [music] There ain't no way. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Seemed Protestant forever. >> Seemed Protestant forever. >> Seemed Protestant forever. >> I just got so Protestant. I can feel it >> I just got so Protestant. I can feel it >> I just got so Protestant. I can feel it in my toes.

>> Okay, you can you can probably you can >> Okay, you can you can probably you can Okay, let me let me explain what's going Okay, let me let me explain what's going Okay, let me let me explain what's going on. on. on. >> Wait, can I just say something, please? >> Wait, can I just say something, please? >> Wait, can I just say something, please? Okay. If you showed that video to anyone Okay. If you showed that video to anyone Okay. If you showed that video to anyone that was alive in the Old Testament, the that was alive in the Old Testament, the that was alive in the Old Testament, the first thing they would say is, "Oh, first thing they would say is, "Oh, first thing they would say is, "Oh, that's one of your false gods." that's one of your false gods." that's one of your false gods." >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> There is no other possible response >> There is no other possible response >> There is no other possible response >> to someone from seeing that. So, I'll >> to someone from seeing that. So, I'll >> to someone from seeing that. So, I'll just point this out. What is idolatry? just point this out. What is idolatry? just point this out. What is idolatry? Idolatry is putting a created thing in Idolatry is putting a created thing in Idolatry is putting a created thing in place of the creator. place of the creator. place of the creator. >> That we're putting crowns. There are >> That we're putting crowns. There are >> That we're putting crowns. There are Bible verses about his royal diadem. Bible verses about his royal diadem. Bible verses about his royal diadem. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] We are kissing body Russ. It's stinking We are kissing body Russ. It's stinking We are kissing body Russ. It's stinking weird, man. We're putting created dead weird, man. We're putting created dead weird, man. We're putting created dead things in place of our living creator. things in place of our living creator. things in place of our living creator. Ladies and gentlemen, that is called Ladies and gentlemen, that is called Ladies and gentlemen, that is called idolatry. idolatry. idolatry. >> Another form of idolatry is basically >> Another form of idolatry is basically >> Another form of idolatry is basically when you go to something else besides when you go to something else besides when you go to something else besides God to get something that only God can God to get something that only God can God to get something that only God can give you. give you. give you. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Uh let me read you a quote to see if you >> Uh let me read you a quote to see if you >> Uh let me read you a quote to see if you think this was to Jesus. Through you think this was to Jesus. Through you think this was to Jesus. Through you forgiveness is granted to guilt to the forgiveness is granted to guilt to the forgiveness is granted to guilt to the guilty and through you grace is guilty and through you grace is guilty and through you grace is conferred to the just sounds like you conferred to the just sounds like you conferred to the just sounds like you was something you would address to was something you would address to was something you would address to Jesus, right?

Jesus, right? Jesus, right? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That's actually from a song about Mary. >> That's actually from a song about Mary. >> That's actually from a song about Mary. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Going to someone to get something that >> Going to someone to get something that >> Going to someone to get something that only God himself Yeah. can give you only God himself Yeah. can give you only God himself Yeah. can give you idolatry. idolatry. idolatry. >> So what you just saw right there, it is >> So what you just saw right there, it is >> So what you just saw right there, it is a Catholic ceremony uh in remembrance of a Catholic ceremony uh in remembrance of a Catholic ceremony uh in remembrance of the relics of St. Agatha who was a the relics of St. Agatha who was a the relics of St. Agatha who was a Christian martyr uh a long time ago. And Christian martyr uh a long time ago. And Christian martyr uh a long time ago. And basically in the video you see this he's basically in the video you see this he's basically in the video you see this he's a cardinal who's uh in charge of the the a cardinal who's uh in charge of the the a cardinal who's uh in charge of the the ceremony and he's bringing this skull ceremony and he's bringing this skull ceremony and he's bringing this skull literal skull of St. Agatha uh that's uh literal skull of St. Agatha uh that's uh literal skull of St. Agatha uh that's uh over a thousand years old and putting on over a thousand years old and putting on over a thousand years old and putting on on top of the the statue basically a on top of the the statue basically a on top of the the statue basically a bust and uh crowning it and then this is bust and uh crowning it and then this is bust and uh crowning it and then this is a moment of celebration and obviously in a moment of celebration and obviously in a moment of celebration and obviously in that moment he he bowed he prayed and that moment he he bowed he prayed and that moment he he bowed he prayed and the whole point is to to take it to the the whole point is to to take it to the the whole point is to to take it to the people and they can do the same. So let people and they can do the same. So let people and they can do the same. So let me just give you a couple thoughts on me just give you a couple thoughts on me just give you a couple thoughts on this. Number one, the reason this went this. Number one, the reason this went this. Number one, the reason this went viral is because uh objectively, no viral is because uh objectively, no viral is because uh objectively, no matter what you believe, it is just very matter what you believe, it is just very matter what you believe, it is just very bizarre and odd. It's just an odd video. bizarre and odd. It's just an odd video. bizarre and odd. It's just an odd video. No matter what, no matter what you No matter what, no matter what you No matter what, no matter what you believe, this is just an odd video. So, believe, this is just an odd video. So, believe, this is just an odd video. So, one's going to go viral for that reason. one's going to go viral for that reason. one's going to go viral for that reason. But this is what uh Catholics would call But this is what uh Catholics would call But this is what uh Catholics would call uh relic veneration. uh relic veneration. uh relic veneration. >> So, this is not a deviation of Catholic >> So, this is not a deviation of Catholic >> So, this is not a deviation of Catholic theology. This is just this is what they theology. This is just this is what they theology. This is just this is what they believe. This is just part of uh their believe. This is just part of uh their believe. This is just part of uh their their core beliefs. Um so, let me real their core beliefs. Um so, let me real their core beliefs. Um so, let me real quick, Pastor Josh, you mentioned some quick, Pastor Josh, you mentioned some quick, Pastor Josh, you mentioned some things. Let me just help you uh add on a things. Let me just help you uh add on a things. Let me just help you uh add on a little bit of color to that. Um this little bit of color to that. Um this little bit of color to that. Um this might be obvious for some people but it might be obvious for some people but it might be obvious for some people but it is obviously not. Um so Exodus chapter is obviously not. Um so Exodus chapter is obviously not. Um so Exodus chapter 20 verse45 this is what it says. You 20 verse45 this is what it says. You 20 verse45 this is what it says. You shall not make for yourself a carved shall not make for yourself a carved shall not make for yourself a carved image uh or any likeness of anything image uh or any likeness of anything image uh or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in that is in heaven above or that is in that is in heaven above or that is in earth beneath or that is in the water earth beneath or that is in the water earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down under the earth. You shall not bow down under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I the Lord to them or serve them. For I the Lord to them or serve them. For I the Lord your God I am a jealous God. So what your God I am a jealous God. So what your God I am a jealous God. So what some Catholics would say when they see

some Catholics would say when they see some Catholics would say when they see this they say hey that's not worship this they say hey that's not worship this they say hey that's not worship that's veneration which is just another that's veneration which is just another that's veneration which is just another form of higher honor. And so a couple form of higher honor. And so a couple form of higher honor. And so a couple things that I would say uh number one uh things that I would say uh number one uh things that I would say uh number one uh worship is a heart issue. Um I don't worship is a heart issue. Um I don't worship is a heart issue. Um I don't know your heart but God does. And he know your heart but God does. And he know your heart but God does. And he says hey be careful because I am a says hey be careful because I am a says hey be careful because I am a jealous God. And we can use different jealous God. And we can use different jealous God. And we can use different names to say this is this or that. Um names to say this is this or that. Um names to say this is this or that. Um ultimately in practice it comes down to ultimately in practice it comes down to ultimately in practice it comes down to man what's really going on in your man what's really going on in your man what's really going on in your heart. That's number one. And number heart. That's number one. And number heart. That's number one. And number two, um, when you have this ceremony two, um, when you have this ceremony two, um, when you have this ceremony with sometimes like thousands of people with sometimes like thousands of people with sometimes like thousands of people coming together, elevating this image, coming together, elevating this image, coming together, elevating this image, and there's a literal skull on top of and there's a literal skull on top of and there's a literal skull on top of this, uh, statue that is filled with this, uh, statue that is filled with this, uh, statue that is filled with gold and jewels, and people are bowing gold and jewels, and people are bowing gold and jewels, and people are bowing to it and praying to it and parading it, to it and praying to it and parading it, to it and praying to it and parading it, and everybody's cheering on it. Man, and everybody's cheering on it. Man, and everybody's cheering on it. Man, with all due respect to our Catholic with all due respect to our Catholic with all due respect to our Catholic friends whom we love deeply, man, it is friends whom we love deeply, man, it is friends whom we love deeply, man, it is very hard to see something like that and very hard to see something like that and very hard to see something like that and just not conclude something related to just not conclude something related to just not conclude something related to Exodus 20 uh, about worship. It just Exodus 20 uh, about worship. It just Exodus 20 uh, about worship. It just seems like it fits the exact description seems like it fits the exact description seems like it fits the exact description of what the Bible says. Now, I will say of what the Bible says. Now, I will say of what the Bible says. Now, I will say when I share this on my social media, I when I share this on my social media, I when I share this on my social media, I was actually surprised a lot of was actually surprised a lot of was actually surprised a lot of Catholics agree. Catholics agree. Catholics agree. >> Like I've never actually seen this. Like >> Like I've never actually seen this. Like >> Like I've never actually seen this. Like a lot of Catholics, including Catholics a lot of Catholics, including Catholics a lot of Catholics, including Catholics here in the US and in Latin America, here in the US and in Latin America, here in the US and in Latin America, which by the way, we are famous for which by the way, we are famous for which by the way, we are famous for being Catholic. We're very Catholic. Um being Catholic. We're very Catholic. Um being Catholic. We're very Catholic. Um they agreed. They said, "Hey, that's they agreed. They said, "Hey, that's they agreed. They said, "Hey, that's actually we don't like that. That seems actually we don't like that. That seems actually we don't like that. That seems extremely odd. That's too much." Uh a extremely odd. That's too much." Uh a extremely odd. That's too much." Uh a lot of people said too they reminded lot of people said too they reminded lot of people said too they reminded them about witchcraft and centuria which them about witchcraft and centuria which them about witchcraft and centuria which is just again uh it's is not something is just again uh it's is not something is just again uh it's is not something they want to be a part of. Um other they want to be a part of. Um other they want to be a part of. Um other people would say well man that's just people would say well man that's just people would say well man that's just honoring the the saints and the people honoring the the saints and the people honoring the the saints and the people that have gone before. Isn't that okay?

that have gone before. Isn't that okay? that have gone before. Isn't that okay? And to that I'd say uh numbers 21 this And to that I'd say uh numbers 21 this And to that I'd say uh numbers 21 this we find this story where uh Moses uh is we find this story where uh Moses uh is we find this story where uh Moses uh is instructed by God to build this instructed by God to build this instructed by God to build this sculpture of a a bronze serpent and put sculpture of a a bronze serpent and put sculpture of a a bronze serpent and put it in a pole and then God uses that to it in a pole and then God uses that to it in a pole and then God uses that to bring healing. And it was like a big bring healing. And it was like a big bring healing. And it was like a big deal like God actually mandated that. deal like God actually mandated that. deal like God actually mandated that. But what you see later in scripture is But what you see later in scripture is But what you see later in scripture is uh centuries later in second kings, King uh centuries later in second kings, King uh centuries later in second kings, King Hezekiah, he actually sees that thing Hezekiah, he actually sees that thing Hezekiah, he actually sees that thing and destroys it. and destroys it. and destroys it. >> Why did he destroy it? Because at some >> Why did he destroy it? Because at some >> Why did he destroy it? Because at some point this became this this went from point this became this this went from point this became this this went from being this relic of like, hey, this is being this relic of like, hey, this is being this relic of like, hey, this is what God used in that time to becoming what God used in that time to becoming what God used in that time to becoming something that resembled a little bit something that resembled a little bit something that resembled a little bit more of worship. And God said, that's more of worship. And God said, that's more of worship. And God said, that's right. You need to get rid of that. And right. You need to get rid of that. And right. You need to get rid of that. And so, um, here's the point. When you also so, um, here's the point. When you also so, um, here's the point. When you also read scripture, there is not one single read scripture, there is not one single read scripture, there is not one single example of somebody bowing down to an example of somebody bowing down to an example of somebody bowing down to an image for any purpose that scripture image for any purpose that scripture image for any purpose that scripture portrays positively in the Bible and in portrays positively in the Bible and in portrays positively in the Bible and in early history. In fact, the official early history. In fact, the official early history. In fact, the official endorsement of um icon veneration comes endorsement of um icon veneration comes endorsement of um icon veneration comes later in the second council of Nika later in the second council of Nika later in the second council of Nika until the year 787. until the year 787. until the year 787. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, all this to say um idolatry is not >> So, all this to say um idolatry is not >> So, all this to say um idolatry is not just a warning for uh Catholicism. It's just a warning for uh Catholicism. It's just a warning for uh Catholicism. It's actually a warning for everybody. That's actually a warning for everybody. That's actually a warning for everybody. That's right.

right. right. >> Uh we're all uh prone to do that. Uh the >> Uh we're all uh prone to do that. Uh the >> Uh we're all uh prone to do that. Uh the Bible teaches that a good thing can Bible teaches that a good thing can Bible teaches that a good thing can become a bad thing if it becomes a God become a bad thing if it becomes a God become a bad thing if it becomes a God thing. thing. thing. >> And so we are called to we're called to >> And so we are called to we're called to >> And so we are called to we're called to and invited to enjoy the things of God and invited to enjoy the things of God and invited to enjoy the things of God to remember those that have gone in the to remember those that have gone in the to remember those that have gone in the past. But you want to be very careful past. But you want to be very careful past. But you want to be very careful that your heart only worships one God that your heart only worships one God that your heart only worships one God alone. alone. alone. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Open to your thoughts. >> Open to your thoughts. >> Open to your thoughts. >> So I'll get So what but what Hey, but >> So I'll get So what but what Hey, but >> So I'll get So what but what Hey, but what about this? [laughter] what about this? [laughter] what about this? [laughter] >> But what about this, Carlos? >> But what about this, Carlos? >> But what about this, Carlos? Uh I'm going to read what somebody said. Uh I'm going to read what somebody said. Uh I'm going to read what somebody said. that a Catholic person said about about that a Catholic person said about about that a Catholic person said about about Protestants objecting to this. Protestants objecting to this. Protestants objecting to this. >> Protestants on X are losing their minds >> Protestants on X are losing their minds >> Protestants on X are losing their minds over this video. Evidently, they have over this video. Evidently, they have over this video. Evidently, they have not read the Old Testament, which is not read the Old Testament, which is not read the Old Testament, which is full of references to the veneration of full of references to the veneration of full of references to the veneration of remains and objects connected to remains and objects connected to remains and objects connected to sacredness. I'm about to sacredness. I'm about to sacredness. I'm about to >> What are you going to say about that, >> What are you going to say about that, >> What are you going to say about that, Paul? Paul? Paul? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I'm about to lose my mind. So, like when >> I'm about to lose my mind. So, like when >> I'm about to lose my mind. So, like when I when I read this earlier, like I think I when I read this earlier, like I think I when I read this earlier, like I think 50 minutes after you sent this to me, I 50 minutes after you sent this to me, I 50 minutes after you sent this to me, I just like all of a sudden got really just like all of a sudden got really just like all of a sudden got really angry and I was like, "Okay, are we angry and I was like, "Okay, are we angry and I was like, "Okay, are we kidding ourselves right here? You're kidding ourselves right here? You're kidding ourselves right here? You're using as the group you're going to using as the group you're going to using as the group you're going to emulate, Old Testament Israel, who was emulate, Old Testament Israel, who was emulate, Old Testament Israel, who was so idolatrous and who used unauthorized so idolatrous and who used unauthorized so idolatrous and who used unauthorized objects for idolatrous practices and objects for idolatrous practices and objects for idolatrous practices and unauthorized worship. They were so bad unauthorized worship. They were so bad unauthorized worship. They were so bad at it that God used a pagan idolatrous at it that God used a pagan idolatrous at it that God used a pagan idolatrous nation to punish them for it. That's who nation to punish them for it. That's who nation to punish them for it. That's who you want to emulate and copy. Okay, this you want to emulate and copy. Okay, this you want to emulate and copy. Okay, this is absurd. Okay, now that now that's out is absurd. Okay, now that now that's out is absurd. Okay, now that now that's out of my system, I'll be a little bit more of my system, I'll be a little bit more of my system, I'll be a little bit more calm. All right, here's what I my calm. All right, here's what I my calm. All right, here's what I my response would be is there's a massive response would be is there's a massive response would be is there's a massive category error happening here. You're category error happening here. You're category error happening here. You're confusing divine use with divine confusing divine use with divine confusing divine use with divine authorization.

authorization. authorization. >> Oh, that's great. >> Oh, that's great. >> Oh, that's great. >> Divine use with divine authorization. >> Divine use with divine authorization. >> Divine use with divine authorization. God all the times, often works through a God all the times, often works through a God all the times, often works through a physical object, but that's not the same physical object, but that's not the same physical object, but that's not the same proposition as saying, "Therefore, proposition as saying, "Therefore, proposition as saying, "Therefore, Christians should venerate those objects Christians should venerate those objects Christians should venerate those objects in gifts and do anything special to them in gifts and do anything special to them in gifts and do anything special to them ongoing." So, you do have examples in ongoing." So, you do have examples in ongoing." So, you do have examples in the Old Testament where God uses the the Old Testament where God uses the the Old Testament where God uses the bones of Elisha accidentally, by the bones of Elisha accidentally, by the bones of Elisha accidentally, by the way. They just buried this guy with way. They just buried this guy with way. They just buried this guy with Elisha's bones and all of a sudden he Elisha's bones and all of a sudden he Elisha's bones and all of a sudden he comes back to life. But you know what's comes back to life. But you know what's comes back to life. But you know what's missing is any then reference afterwards missing is any then reference afterwards missing is any then reference afterwards that oh now let's start taking and that oh now let's start taking and that oh now let's start taking and putting everybody in there to bring him putting everybody in there to bring him putting everybody in there to bring him back to life. So you had a one-off back to life. So you had a one-off back to life. So you had a one-off occurrence that then wasn't repeated. occurrence that then wasn't repeated. occurrence that then wasn't repeated. You mentioned the brown serpent. They You mentioned the brown serpent. They You mentioned the brown serpent. They eventually had to destroy because it was eventually had to destroy because it was eventually had to destroy because it was being used fos for that reason. That's being used fos for that reason. That's being used fos for that reason. That's right. right. right. >> But so many of the other places where we >> But so many of the other places where we >> But so many of the other places where we see God using physical objects. What you see God using physical objects. What you see God using physical objects. What you don't see is then venerating them and don't see is then venerating them and don't see is then venerating them and then using them to repeat that same then using them to repeat that same then using them to repeat that same practice over and over again. So don't practice over and over again. So don't practice over and over again. So don't confuse divine use with divine confuse divine use with divine confuse divine use with divine authorization. Well, also, you know, authorization. Well, also, you know, authorization. Well, also, you know, this is interesting, Paul, because I was this is interesting, Paul, because I was this is interesting, Paul, because I was reading this too in Acts 19 11 to 12. reading this too in Acts 19 11 to 12. reading this too in Acts 19 11 to 12. Let me help some people here. And God, Let me help some people here. And God, Let me help some people here. And God, this is I'm going to kind of read it. this is I'm going to kind of read it. this is I'm going to kind of read it. And God was doing extraordinary miracles And God was doing extraordinary miracles And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, by the hands of Paul, by the hands of Paul, >> so that even handkerchiefs and aprons >> so that even handkerchiefs and aprons >> so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched his skin were carried that had touched his skin were carried that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick.

away to the sick. away to the sick. >> I have an answer to that, but Paul, what >> I have an answer to that, but Paul, what >> I have an answer to that, but Paul, what do you what do you what do you say to do you what do you what do you say to do you what do you what do you say to that? that? that? >> Exactly what I just said. Yeah, God does >> Exactly what I just said. Yeah, God does >> Exactly what I just said. Yeah, God does extraordinary things like that all the extraordinary things like that all the extraordinary things like that all the time. But one thing I would point out time. But one thing I would point out time. But one thing I would point out both in the time of Acts and the time of both in the time of Acts and the time of both in the time of Acts and the time of the the New Testament gospels, if you'll the the New Testament gospels, if you'll the the New Testament gospels, if you'll notice, Jesus like heals in a different notice, Jesus like heals in a different notice, Jesus like heals in a different way almost every time he heals. way almost every time he heals. way almost every time he heals. >> He doesn't make it this form like, oh, >> He doesn't make it this form like, oh, >> He doesn't make it this form like, oh, if you will do this exact thing and do if you will do this exact thing and do if you will do this exact thing and do this every time, then everybody will be this every time, then everybody will be this every time, then everybody will be healed. And I think one of the reasons healed. And I think one of the reasons healed. And I think one of the reasons is because he doesn't want people to is because he doesn't want people to is because he doesn't want people to attach this ongoing ceremony run this attach this ongoing ceremony run this attach this ongoing ceremony run this specific way. He's like, hey, I can use specific way. He's like, hey, I can use specific way. He's like, hey, I can use anything to heal anybody any time, but anything to heal anybody any time, but anything to heal anybody any time, but that doesn't mean that you then have to that doesn't mean that you then have to that doesn't mean that you then have to take that and repeat it forever. It's take that and repeat it forever. It's take that and repeat it forever. It's just one simple respon. And what you just one simple respon. And what you just one simple respon. And what you don't see is uh nobody's venerating don't see is uh nobody's venerating don't see is uh nobody's venerating Paul. Paul. Paul. >> No, >> No, >> No, >> nobody is bowing to him. Nobody's >> nobody is bowing to him. Nobody's >> nobody is bowing to him. Nobody's praying to him. Um like there's no praying to him. Um like there's no praying to him. Um like there's no command that this is like a thing. command that this is like a thing. command that this is like a thing. >> Uh and so you're right. And yeah, the >> Uh and so you're right. And yeah, the >> Uh and so you're right. And yeah, the attention it does not go to the person. attention it does not go to the person. attention it does not go to the person. >> It goes to their God. Let me give one >> It goes to their God. Let me give one >> It goes to their God. Let me give one specific example and this might be a specific example and this might be a specific example and this might be a good place in terms of your objection to good place in terms of your objection to good place in terms of your objection to end at least on the objection is there's end at least on the objection is there's end at least on the objection is there's an example of this in the Old Testament an example of this in the Old Testament an example of this in the Old Testament where Elisha with an takes the cloak of where Elisha with an takes the cloak of where Elisha with an takes the cloak of Elijah and strikes the water and it Elijah and strikes the water and it Elijah and strikes the water and it parts. But if you actually go and read parts. But if you actually go and read parts. But if you actually go and read it, in that moment he doesn't say it, in that moment he doesn't say it, in that moment he doesn't say Elijah, would your power cause this to Elijah, would your power cause this to Elijah, would your power cause this to depart, he directly addresses God depart, he directly addresses God depart, he directly addresses God himself. [snorts] himself. [snorts] himself. [snorts] >> And in that [clears throat] moment, >> And in that [clears throat] moment, >> And in that [clears throat] moment, what's really happening is he's what's really happening is he's what's really happening is he's basically trying to show I am picking up basically trying to show I am picking up basically trying to show I am picking up the anointing and the calling of Elijah the anointing and the calling of Elijah the anointing and the calling of Elijah and I'm carrying it on. But he doesn't and I'm carrying it on. But he doesn't and I'm carrying it on. But he doesn't go to Elijah. He goes to God himself.

go to Elijah. He goes to God himself. go to Elijah. He goes to God himself. Again, you don't have to go through Again, you don't have to go through Again, you don't have to go through others to approach God or through these others to approach God or through these others to approach God or through these weird I'll just call them these weird weird I'll just call them these weird weird I'll just call them these weird rituals. you can go to God himself and rituals. you can go to God himself and rituals. you can go to God himself and speak to them him as the father he is. speak to them him as the father he is. speak to them him as the father he is. >> Bro, I'll you know this this may have a >> Bro, I'll you know this this may have a >> Bro, I'll you know this this may have a bit bit of an edge and I'm just bit bit of an edge and I'm just bit bit of an edge and I'm just >> I I will say um so historically >> I I will say um so historically >> I I will say um so historically Protestants let's say this and and well Protestants let's say this and and well Protestants let's say this and and well let's land and plan here. let's land and plan here. let's land and plan here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Historically Protestants have sometimes >> Historically Protestants have sometimes >> Historically Protestants have sometimes and I do not think always unfairly. Um and I do not think always unfairly. Um and I do not think always unfairly. Um that wasn't Mary but this frequently that wasn't Mary but this frequently that wasn't Mary but this frequently happens with Mary. Yeah. Okay. happens with Mary. Yeah. Okay. happens with Mary. Yeah. Okay. uh uh Protestants have sometimes uh uh Protestants have sometimes uh uh Protestants have sometimes historically referred to Catholicism as historically referred to Catholicism as historically referred to Catholicism as marriolitry or or guilty of marriatry marriolitry or or guilty of marriatry marriolitry or or guilty of marriatry instead of idolatry maritry. And dude instead of idolatry maritry. And dude instead of idolatry maritry. And dude again if we define idolatry is putting again if we define idolatry is putting again if we define idolatry is putting anyone or anything in place of God. anyone or anything in place of God. anyone or anything in place of God. Okay, that's what you get for we already Okay, that's what you get for we already Okay, that's what you get for we already got this. There is one this is we got got this. There is one this is we got got this. There is one this is we got Bible verses for this. Bible verses for this. Bible verses for this. >> There is one mediator between God and >> There is one mediator between God and >> There is one mediator between God and man. Yes. Jesus Christ. One mediator. So man. Yes. Jesus Christ. One mediator. So man. Yes. Jesus Christ. One mediator. So why are we calling her mediatric Leon? why are we calling her mediatric Leon? why are we calling her mediatric Leon? That's like not not a thing. That's like not not a thing. That's like not not a thing. >> Yeah. Actually, a pope called her that a >> Yeah. Actually, a pope called her that a >> Yeah. Actually, a pope called her that a long time ago and then uh recently the long time ago and then uh recently the long time ago and then uh recently the Vatican like a let's use that term stop Vatican like a let's use that term stop Vatican like a let's use that term stop doing that. Yeah, they they was good job doing that. Yeah, they they was good job doing that. Yeah, they they was good job because we have Bible verses for that.

because we have Bible verses for that. because we have Bible verses for that. [laughter] Good job, guys. Um, but what [laughter] Good job, guys. Um, but what [laughter] Good job, guys. Um, but what I want to point out is, dude, I will say I want to point out is, dude, I will say I want to point out is, dude, I will say if you've ever been to the Vatican, if you've ever been to the Vatican, if you've ever been to the Vatican, >> there are times where for me as a >> there are times where for me as a >> there are times where for me as a Protestant, Protestant, Protestant, >> it was hard for me sometimes not to see >> it was hard for me sometimes not to see >> it was hard for me sometimes not to see uh, dude, honestly, a a not good a uh, dude, honestly, a a not good a uh, dude, honestly, a a not good a potentially not good spiritual influence potentially not good spiritual influence potentially not good spiritual influence >> that like I honestly I think God is >> that like I honestly I think God is >> that like I honestly I think God is great with getting your eyes anywhere great with getting your eyes anywhere great with getting your eyes anywhere but Jesus. Even if it's one degree off, but Jesus. Even if it's one degree off, but Jesus. Even if it's one degree off, if I can get your eyes anywhere but if I can get your eyes anywhere but if I can get your eyes anywhere but Jesus, one degree off, I'm good. And Jesus, one degree off, I'm good. And Jesus, one degree off, I'm good. And dude, if you got Jan and I to did this dude, if you got Jan and I to did this dude, if you got Jan and I to did this little tour, it's called the Vatican little tour, it's called the Vatican little tour, it's called the Vatican Gardens. Have you guys been there? Gardens. Have you guys been there? Gardens. Have you guys been there? >> Okay. So, if I understand it right, it's >> Okay. So, if I understand it right, it's >> Okay. So, if I understand it right, it's like basically the popes get to like uh like basically the popes get to like uh like basically the popes get to like uh conscript a statue of who they want to conscript a statue of who they want to conscript a statue of who they want to what what do they want to memorialize. what what do they want to memorialize. what what do they want to memorialize. And bro, when you go there, I'm I'm And bro, when you go there, I'm I'm And bro, when you go there, I'm I'm groing it right now. So, you can't trust groing it right now. So, you can't trust groing it right now. So, you can't trust this at all. But, you know, when you're this at all. But, you know, when you're this at all. But, you know, when you're back there, Jan and I were walking back there, Jan and I were walking back there, Jan and I were walking around and it's like I think we saw one around and it's like I think we saw one around and it's like I think we saw one statue of Jesus. statue of Jesus. statue of Jesus. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. uh compared to dozens, I don't know, uh compared to dozens, I don't know, uh compared to dozens, I don't know, maybe 50 of Mary. And honestly, man, it maybe 50 of Mary. And honestly, man, it maybe 50 of Mary. And honestly, man, it was hard for me not to go, Satan is was hard for me not to go, Satan is was hard for me not to go, Satan is really, really good.

really, really good. really, really good. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> he's totally fine with your eyes being >> he's totally fine with your eyes being >> he's totally fine with your eyes being even one degree off Jesus as long as even one degree off Jesus as long as even one degree off Jesus as long as you're not focused on Jesus. So, you you're not focused on Jesus. So, you you're not focused on Jesus. So, you watch out, man. That's right. watch out, man. That's right. watch out, man. That's right. >> Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and >> Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and >> Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith. perfector of our faith. perfector of our faith. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. Pastor Paul, would you pray for us? Pastor Paul, would you pray for us? Pastor Paul, would you pray for us? There you go. Love There you go. Love There you go. Love >> too. >> too. >> too. >> Yes. And so on on that note, God, we uh >> Yes. And so on on that note, God, we uh >> Yes. And so on on that note, God, we uh we thank you for the different people we thank you for the different people we thank you for the different people who have run the race before us. Even who have run the race before us. Even who have run the race before us. Even think that same passage in Hebrews and think that same passage in Hebrews and think that same passage in Hebrews and have followed you faithfully. And God, have followed you faithfully. And God, have followed you faithfully. And God, for sure, by all means, Lord, we honor for sure, by all means, Lord, we honor for sure, by all means, Lord, we honor them. But God, would we become like them them. But God, would we become like them them. But God, would we become like them by not looking to anyone else but you by not looking to anyone else but you by not looking to anyone else but you for our salvation, for our daily for our salvation, for our daily for our salvation, for our daily strength and mercy, God? And so, God, strength and mercy, God? And so, God, strength and mercy, God? And so, God, would you help us to always set our eyes would you help us to always set our eyes would you help us to always set our eyes on you alone? Um Lord, I want to pray on you alone? Um Lord, I want to pray on you alone? Um Lord, I want to pray for everyone uh listening to this that for everyone uh listening to this that for everyone uh listening to this that Lord, if they have not found their brand Lord, if they have not found their brand Lord, if they have not found their brand of brothers and sisters, Lord, would you of brothers and sisters, Lord, would you of brothers and sisters, Lord, would you give them the grace to find them? And I give them the grace to find them? And I give them the grace to find them? And I pray Lord that they would build a pray Lord that they would build a pray Lord that they would build a relationship that would sharpen them relationship that would sharpen them relationship that would sharpen them into the men and women you created and into the men and women you created and into the men and women you created and died and saved them to become. Lord, for died and saved them to become. Lord, for died and saved them to become. Lord, for those who already have their people, those who already have their people, those who already have their people, Lord, I pray that you would continue to Lord, I pray that you would continue to Lord, I pray that you would continue to help them grow in their relationships help them grow in their relationships help them grow in their relationships with other as they grow in their with other as they grow in their with other as they grow in their relationship with you. God, I pray that relationship with you. God, I pray that relationship with you. God, I pray that you would help us to be like Paul and to you would help us to be like Paul and to you would help us to be like Paul and to finish our race well and to take every finish our race well and to take every finish our race well and to take every step between now and then with step between now and then with step between now and then with faithfulness. We love you. Your name we faithfulness. We love you. Your name we faithfulness. We love you. Your name we pray. Amen.

pray. Amen. pray. Amen. >> Amen. Pray, brother.