Can a Christian LOSE Their Salvation? | Live Free with Josh Howerton

Can a Christian lose their salvation? Can a Christian lose their salvation? >> John 10:26-29. >> John 10:26-29. >> John 10:26-29. My sheep hear my voice and I know them My sheep hear my voice and I know them My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me and I give eternal and they follow me and I give eternal and they follow me and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish. life to them and they will never perish. life to them and they will never perish. >> The sign that you've been [music] member >> The sign that you've been [music] member >> The sign that you've been [music] member of Christ isn't that you never fall. of Christ isn't that you never fall. of Christ isn't that you never fall. It's that you keep giving back up and It's that you keep giving back up and It's that you keep giving back up and trying again. trying again. trying again. >> Well, hey Lifree Nation. Before we jump >> Well, hey Lifree Nation. Before we jump >> Well, hey Lifree Nation. Before we jump into the episode, this podcast is into the episode, this podcast is into the episode, this podcast is recorded right here at Lakepoint Church recorded right here at Lakepoint Church recorded right here at Lakepoint Church [music] in Dallas, Texas. But the Lifree [music] in Dallas, Texas. But the Lifree [music] in Dallas, Texas. But the Lifree Nation is spread all over the country Nation is spread all over the country Nation is spread all over the country and all around the world. So if you've and all around the world. So if you've and all around the world. So if you've been watching and thinking, man, I wish been watching and thinking, man, I wish been watching and thinking, man, I wish I could be part of something like this, I could be part of something like this, I could be part of something like this, we want to invite you to take a simple we want to invite you to take a simple we want to invite you to take a simple next step, [music] and that is join us next step, [music] and that is join us next step, [music] and that is join us for church online. Every weekend, we for church online. Every weekend, we for church online. Every weekend, we stream our services live on YouTube, stream our services live on YouTube, stream our services live on YouTube, Facebook, and our church online Facebook, and our church online Facebook, and our church online platform. And it's more than [music] platform. And it's more than [music] platform. And it's more than [music] just watching a service. There are live just watching a service. There are live just watching a service. There are live hosts in the chat, prayer teams ready to hosts in the chat, prayer teams ready to hosts in the chat, prayer teams ready to stand [music] with you, and people all stand [music] with you, and people all stand [music] with you, and people all around the world worshiping together in around the world worshiping together in around the world worshiping together in real time. And so whether you're real time. And so whether you're real time. And so whether you're exploring the faith, coming back to exploring the faith, coming back to exploring the faith, coming back to church, or just looking for a place to church, or just looking for a place to church, or just looking for a place to start, church online is a great way to start, church online is a great way to start, church online is a great way to jump in and experience what God is doing jump in and experience what God is doing jump in and experience what God is doing here at Lakeoint. We would love to see here at Lakeoint. We would love to see here at Lakeoint. We would love to see you in the chat this weekend. And now you in the chat this weekend. And now you in the chat this weekend. And now enjoy the podcast. Well, hey, welcome enjoy the podcast. Well, hey, welcome enjoy the podcast. Well, hey, welcome back to another episode of the Live Free back to another episode of the Live Free back to another episode of the Live Free Podcast. My name is Carlos Araso and Podcast. My name is Carlos Araso and Podcast. My name is Carlos Araso and today I have the pleasure and the joy today I have the pleasure and the joy today I have the pleasure and the joy >> of being here with Pastor Josh Howard >> of being here with Pastor Josh Howard >> of being here with Pastor Josh Howard and Pastor Paul Cunningham.

and Pastor Paul Cunningham. and Pastor Paul Cunningham. >> Sleep deprived. >> Sleep deprived. >> Sleep deprived. >> Sleep deprived or [laughter] who just >> Sleep deprived or [laughter] who just >> Sleep deprived or [laughter] who just came from the airport. Hey, welcome. came from the airport. Hey, welcome. came from the airport. Hey, welcome. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for joining us today. >> Oh, dude. We changed our flight to get >> Oh, dude. We changed our flight to get >> Oh, dude. We changed our flight to get back for live free. Now, Carlos, I was back for live free. Now, Carlos, I was back for live free. Now, Carlos, I was recently made aware that you speak recently made aware that you speak recently made aware that you speak French. French. French. >> Yeah, I do. >> Yeah, I do. >> Yeah, I do. >> Carlos, >> Carlos, >> Carlos, >> how do you say let's kick this big? How >> how do you say let's kick this big? How >> how do you say let's kick this big? How [laughter] do you [laughter] do you [laughter] do you >> say let's kick this pig in? >> say let's kick this pig in? >> say let's kick this pig in? >> First of all, let me give you a caveat. >> First of all, let me give you a caveat. >> First of all, let me give you a caveat. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> I uh I learned how to speak it in middle >> I uh I learned how to speak it in middle >> I uh I learned how to speak it in middle school. Okay. So, it's very rusty. school. Okay. So, it's very rusty. school. Okay. So, it's very rusty. >> Yes. Let's hear it. Let's kick this pig >> Yes. Let's hear it. Let's kick this pig >> Yes. Let's hear it. Let's kick this pig in. in. in. >> All right. I got to figure out how to >> All right. I got to figure out how to >> All right. I got to figure out how to say pig. [laughter] Uh hold on. say pig. [laughter] Uh hold on. say pig. [laughter] Uh hold on. >> Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. >> Oh jeez. Holy cow. Breaking news. Holy cow. Breaking news. Holy cow. Breaking news. >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> dude. That uh actress uh Oh, >> dude. That uh actress uh Oh, >> dude. That uh actress uh Oh, >> blonde girl, >> blonde girl, >> blonde girl, >> actress, famous actress stabbed >> actress, famous actress stabbed >> actress, famous actress stabbed literally today literally today literally today uh Reese uh uh Reese uh uh Reese uh >> Witherspoon. >> Witherspoon. >> Witherspoon. >> No, it was with a knife. [laughter] >> Got him. >> Got him. >> Yeah, you did. [laughter] >> Hey guys, thanks for joining us today.

>> Hey guys, thanks for joining us today. This is [laughter] This is [laughter] This is [laughter] >> this is the second time this week he's >> this is the second time this week he's >> this is the second time this week he's done that where I had forgotten that he done that where I had forgotten that he done that where I had forgotten that he was going to do it and I was literally was going to do it and I was literally was going to do it and I was literally intrigued and I was like oh [laughter] intrigued and I was like oh [laughter] intrigued and I was like oh [laughter] yeah this is what he's doing. yeah this is what he's doing. yeah this is what he's doing. >> I something was off like literally like >> I something was off like literally like >> I something was off like literally like a second after he said Reese. I'm like a second after he said Reese. I'm like a second after he said Reese. I'm like stop [laughter] stop [laughter] stop [laughter] >> that's my favorite joke and I got them >> that's my favorite joke and I got them >> that's my favorite joke and I got them on staff retreat and I was like I'm on staff retreat and I was like I'm on staff retreat and I was like I'm going to get Carlos on the pod. going to get Carlos on the pod. going to get Carlos on the pod. >> That is hilarious. [laughter] >> That is hilarious. [laughter] >> That is hilarious. [laughter] >> That is >> That is >> That is >> I forgotten you said you were going to >> I forgotten you said you were going to >> I forgotten you said you were going to do this. I was really intrigued. I'm do this. I was really intrigued. I'm do this. I was really intrigued. I'm like what just happened? like what just happened? like what just happened? the the lady in the movie that we just the the lady in the movie that we just the the lady in the movie that we just you this weekend at the I don't know you this weekend at the I don't know you this weekend at the I don't know man. Hey uh >> wow that's not going to fit on a hat. >> wow that's not going to fit on a hat. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> All right. Hey man, today we're going to >> All right. Hey man, today we're going to >> All right. Hey man, today we're going to have a great episode. We are going to be have a great episode. We are going to be have a great episode. We are going to be asking can a Christian lose their asking can a Christian lose their asking can a Christian lose their salvation? And honestly, how do you know salvation? And honestly, how do you know salvation? And honestly, how do you know if you have a saving faith versus if you have a saving faith versus if you have a saving faith versus perhaps a fake faith or a superficial perhaps a fake faith or a superficial perhaps a fake faith or a superficial faith? We're going to be reacting to a faith? We're going to be reacting to a faith? We're going to be reacting to a uh James Tarico uh Paul's favorite uh James Tarico uh Paul's favorite uh James Tarico uh Paul's favorite person to react to advocating for person to react to advocating for person to react to advocating for reparations for slavery uh quote in his reparations for slavery uh quote in his reparations for slavery uh quote in his word because of his faith tradition.

word because of his faith tradition. word because of his faith tradition. >> That's right. Yeah. >> That's right. Yeah. >> That's right. Yeah. >> And should Christians support >> And should Christians support >> And should Christians support reparations for slavery. And then we're reparations for slavery. And then we're reparations for slavery. And then we're going to be also sharing a bunch of going to be also sharing a bunch of going to be also sharing a bunch of great gold nuggets on what didn't make great gold nuggets on what didn't make great gold nuggets on what didn't make it to the sermon regarding faith. it to the sermon regarding faith. it to the sermon regarding faith. >> Faith and uh by the way uh just wrapped >> Faith and uh by the way uh just wrapped >> Faith and uh by the way uh just wrapped up week number three of at the movies. up week number three of at the movies. up week number three of at the movies. >> That's exactly right. Uh absolutely >> That's exactly right. Uh absolutely >> That's exactly right. Uh absolutely insane. Uh, I haven't seen the numbers insane. Uh, I haven't seen the numbers insane. Uh, I haven't seen the numbers yet for this weekend. Through the first yet for this weekend. Through the first yet for this weekend. Through the first two weeks, guys, we averaged cramming two weeks, guys, we averaged cramming two weeks, guys, we averaged cramming 38,000 people into the campuses. 38,000 people into the campuses. 38,000 people into the campuses. >> It's nuts. >> It's nuts. >> It's nuts. >> Hundreds and hundreds of salvations. >> Hundreds and hundreds of salvations. >> Hundreds and hundreds of salvations. >> It's I never seen anything like it. >> It's I never seen anything like it. >> It's I never seen anything like it. >> That's awesome, man. >> That's awesome, man. >> That's awesome, man. >> Listen, we ain't this good. >> Listen, we ain't this good. >> Listen, we ain't this good. >> We ain't this good. >> We ain't this good. >> We ain't this good. >> We ain't this good. >> We ain't this good. >> We ain't this good. >> We got one more week. So, if you have >> We got one more week. So, if you have >> We got one more week. So, if you have not made it yet or if you have made it not made it yet or if you have made it not made it yet or if you have made it in the past three weeks, we'd love to in the past three weeks, we'd love to in the past three weeks, we'd love to see you here in one more week. Uh, also see you here in one more week. Uh, also see you here in one more week. Uh, also after that, by the way, we're excited after that, by the way, we're excited after that, by the way, we're excited because we're going to be launching a because we're going to be launching a because we're going to be launching a new sermon series on fighting the good new sermon series on fighting the good new sermon series on fighting the good fight. fight. fight. >> Fight the good fight. Honestly, here's >> Fight the good fight. Honestly, here's >> Fight the good fight. Honestly, here's all this is. all this is. all this is. >> You're all about fighting, Pastor John. >> You're all about fighting, Pastor John. >> You're all about fighting, Pastor John. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> There's a lot of verses about fighting. >> There's a lot of verses about fighting. >> There's a lot of verses about fighting. There are a lot of verses. So, violent. There are a lot of verses. So, violent. There are a lot of verses. So, violent. >> There's a lot of verses about fighting. >> There's a lot of verses about fighting. >> There's a lot of verses about fighting. >> Uh, honestly, what we're doing is we're >> Uh, honestly, what we're doing is we're >> Uh, honestly, what we're doing is we're going to be studying the book of second going to be studying the book of second going to be studying the book of second Timothy.

Timothy. Timothy. >> At Lake Point, what we decided on this >> At Lake Point, what we decided on this >> At Lake Point, what we decided on this front of this year is the whole theme of front of this year is the whole theme of front of this year is the whole theme of the year was this is the year of the year was this is the year of the year was this is the year of disciplehip. So, why second Timothy? disciplehip. So, why second Timothy? disciplehip. So, why second Timothy? Literally the whole book is just an Literally the whole book is just an Literally the whole book is just an older guy discipling a younger guy. So I older guy discipling a younger guy. So I older guy discipling a younger guy. So I was like, you're a disciplehip. Let's was like, you're a disciplehip. Let's was like, you're a disciplehip. Let's preach through a book about that. Yeah. preach through a book about that. Yeah. preach through a book about that. Yeah. >> And he gives a command to this young >> And he gives a command to this young >> And he gives a command to this young disciple. Fight the good fight of faith. disciple. Fight the good fight of faith. disciple. Fight the good fight of faith. So there you go. Sermon series title, So there you go. Sermon series title, So there you go. Sermon series title, fight the good fight. fight the good fight. fight the good fight. >> You guys were just in Wyoming. I was >> You guys were just in Wyoming. I was >> You guys were just in Wyoming. I was just actually just in Michigan and lots just actually just in Michigan and lots just actually just in Michigan and lots of liver nation all literally all over of liver nation all literally all over of liver nation all literally all over the place. So shout out to everybody the place. So shout out to everybody the place. So shout out to everybody joining. If you are ever in the DFW area joining. If you are ever in the DFW area joining. If you are ever in the DFW area and you want to come visit, we'd love to and you want to come visit, we'd love to and you want to come visit, we'd love to say hi. So come say hi. We got a gift say hi. So come say hi. We got a gift say hi. So come say hi. We got a gift for you as well. We do a giveaway every for you as well. We do a giveaway every for you as well. We do a giveaway every single week. So, if you're on YouTube or single week. So, if you're on YouTube or single week. So, if you're on YouTube or Spotify, go ahead and drop the word hat Spotify, go ahead and drop the word hat Spotify, go ahead and drop the word hat on the comments and we will be selecting on the comments and we will be selecting on the comments and we will be selecting several winners as well. several winners as well. several winners as well. >> Here's a fun one for you and then we'll >> Here's a fun one for you and then we'll >> Here's a fun one for you and then we'll actually start talking about the Bible actually start talking about the Bible actually start talking about the Bible uh up in Jackson Hole. I mean, it was uh up in Jackson Hole. I mean, it was uh up in Jackson Hole. I mean, it was just like everywhere we went like live just like everywhere we went like live just like everywhere we went like live free listeners. One of the guys uh one free listeners. One of the guys uh one free listeners. One of the guys uh one of the owners of King Ranch in Texas is of the owners of King Ranch in Texas is of the owners of King Ranch in Texas is a live free listener. So, I forget your a live free listener. So, I forget your a live free listener. So, I forget your name, but shout out. That was awesome to name, but shout out. That was awesome to name, but shout out. That was awesome to meet you. So, he grabbed me in a meet you. So, he grabbed me in a meet you. So, he grabbed me in a >> the giriest coffee shop in all of >> the giriest coffee shop in all of >> the giriest coffee shop in all of Jackson Hole. And uh Jackson Hole. And uh Jackson Hole. And uh >> still good coffee though. P Stephanie >> still good coffee though. P Stephanie >> still good coffee though. P Stephanie was pretty good. Pretty good. Uh, okay.

was pretty good. Pretty good. Uh, okay. was pretty good. Pretty good. Uh, okay. Can I Can I do a Project Hail Mary Can I Can I do a Project Hail Mary Can I Can I do a Project Hail Mary thing? thing? thing? >> Yeah, please. >> Yeah, please. >> Yeah, please. >> Okay. Now, I know you did a little of >> Okay. Now, I know you did a little of >> Okay. Now, I know you did a little of this, but I wasn't in this episode and this, but I wasn't in this episode and this, but I wasn't in this episode and I'm going to do it better. I'm going to do it better. I'm going to do it better. >> He's like, he's I was going to say He's >> He's like, he's I was going to say He's >> He's like, he's I was going to say He's [laughter] like He's like, "Hey, I know [laughter] like He's like, "Hey, I know [laughter] like He's like, "Hey, I know you did it, but I'm going to do it you did it, but I'm going to do it you did it, but I'm going to do it better. Go ahead." better. Go ahead." better. Go ahead." >> No, for real. Okay. >> No, for real. Okay. >> No, for real. Okay. >> I'm sure you will. >> I'm sure you will. >> I'm sure you will. >> So, no, that's a joke. Total joke, >> So, no, that's a joke. Total joke, >> So, no, that's a joke. Total joke, Carlos. [laughter] So, Carlos. [laughter] So, Carlos. [laughter] So, >> I was going to say it if you wouldn't, >> I was going to say it if you wouldn't, >> I was going to say it if you wouldn't, but go ahead. but go ahead. but go ahead. >> Stop, dude. So, that's a joke. So, okay. >> Stop, dude. So, that's a joke. So, okay. >> Stop, dude. So, that's a joke. So, okay. I'm on the plane uh today and literally I'm on the plane uh today and literally I'm on the plane uh today and literally the three seats next to me, they're all the three seats next to me, they're all the three seats next to me, they're all watching Project Hillary. Bro, there is watching Project Hillary. Bro, there is watching Project Hillary. Bro, there is layers in Project Hail Mary is a Okay, layers in Project Hail Mary is a Okay, layers in Project Hail Mary is a Okay, so here's my thesis. Project Hail Mary so here's my thesis. Project Hail Mary so here's my thesis. Project Hail Mary is a Christian movie. Okay, now now is a Christian movie. Okay, now now is a Christian movie. Okay, now now watch this. Okay, check this out. I like watch this. Okay, check this out. I like watch this. Okay, check this out. I like that idea. that idea. that idea. >> Now, watch this. Check this out. Okay, >> Now, watch this. Check this out. Okay, >> Now, watch this. Check this out. Okay, so our Catholic friends are going to so our Catholic friends are going to so our Catholic friends are going to love this. love this. love this. >> So I want to show you some stuff. This >> So I want to show you some stuff. This >> So I want to show you some stuff. This like you watch a movie and you don't like you watch a movie and you don't like you watch a movie and you don't realize what just happened to you. So realize what just happened to you. So realize what just happened to you. So let me give this to you. Okay, so if you let me give this to you. Okay, so if you let me give this to you. Okay, so if you haven't seen it, Project Hail Mary, uh, haven't seen it, Project Hail Mary, uh, haven't seen it, Project Hail Mary, uh, let me just connect some dots real let me just connect some dots real let me just connect some dots real quick. So the universe is decaying. quick. So the universe is decaying. quick. So the universe is decaying. >> That sounds a little familiar. Genesis 3 >> That sounds a little familiar. Genesis 3 >> That sounds a little familiar. Genesis 3 on the universe is decaying and humanity on the universe is decaying and humanity on the universe is decaying and humanity throws up a last chance prayer throws up a last chance prayer throws up a last chance prayer >> and the name of the ship that is >> and the name of the ship that is >> and the name of the ship that is dispatched to solve the decay of the dispatched to solve the decay of the dispatched to solve the decay of the universe is the Hail Mary. So you got it universe is the Hail Mary. So you got it universe is the Hail Mary. So you got it right there. Okay. Now next one. The right there. Okay. Now next one. The right there. Okay. Now next one. The main character that's sent to be the main character that's sent to be the main character that's sent to be the savior of the world. Carlos, savior of the world. Carlos, savior of the world. Carlos, >> if you look real close on the guy's >> if you look real close on the guy's >> if you look real close on the guy's little patch, his name is Grace.

little patch, his name is Grace. little patch, his name is Grace. >> Grace. That's right. >> Grace. That's right. >> Grace. That's right. >> So now what do we have? We got Hail Mary >> So now what do we have? We got Hail Mary >> So now what do we have? We got Hail Mary full of grace. Catholics are going to full of grace. Catholics are going to full of grace. Catholics are going to love this one. Okay. Now, so far it's love this one. Okay. Now, so far it's love this one. Okay. Now, so far it's like, well, duh, man. Okay. Duh. That's like, well, duh, man. Okay. Duh. That's like, well, duh, man. Okay. Duh. That's like they named the movie that. Okay. like they named the movie that. Okay. like they named the movie that. Okay. So, you go a layer deeper. I'm going to So, you go a layer deeper. I'm going to So, you go a layer deeper. I'm going to go three layers deeper. You go layer go three layers deeper. You go layer go three layers deeper. You go layer deeper. So, when he gets up there, who's deeper. So, when he gets up there, who's deeper. So, when he gets up there, who's he meet? He meets Rocky. he meet? He meets Rocky. he meet? He meets Rocky. >> Okay. Now, when you hear that, you're >> Okay. Now, when you hear that, you're >> Okay. Now, when you hear that, you're like, what's what's that even mean? For like, what's what's that even mean? For like, what's what's that even mean? For our uninitiated Bible readers, when our uninitiated Bible readers, when our uninitiated Bible readers, when Jesus establishes the church, he gives Jesus establishes the church, he gives Jesus establishes the church, he gives Peter the Remember, our Catholic friends Peter the Remember, our Catholic friends Peter the Remember, our Catholic friends are going to love this. Who our our are going to love this. Who our our are going to love this. Who our our Catholic friends that we disagree with, Catholic friends that we disagree with, Catholic friends that we disagree with, think was the first pope. [laughter] think was the first pope. [laughter] think was the first pope. [laughter] Right. Right. And they're like, "What's Right. Right. And they're like, "What's Right. Right. And they're like, "What's Jesus call him?" He says, "I tell you, Jesus call him?" He says, "I tell you, Jesus call him?" He says, "I tell you, you are Peter," which means rock. Peter you are Peter," which means rock. Peter you are Peter," which means rock. Peter is the rock. is the rock. is the rock. >> So now what you have is you have these >> So now what you have is you have these >> So now what you have is you have these two guys. Next one. Who do you have two guys. Next one. Who do you have two guys. Next one. Who do you have saving the universe together? saving the universe together? saving the universe together? >> You have a Grace and Rocky. You have a >> You have a Grace and Rocky. You have a >> You have a Grace and Rocky. You have a Christ figure and you have a Peter Christ figure and you have a Peter Christ figure and you have a Peter figure. But oh wait, there's more. figure. But oh wait, there's more. figure. But oh wait, there's more. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Okay. So now in Catholic theology in >> Okay. So now in Catholic theology in >> Okay. So now in Catholic theology in particular, what you have is you have particular, what you have is you have particular, what you have is you have Jesus and Peter working together as the Jesus and Peter working together as the Jesus and Peter working together as the head of the church to save the world. If head of the church to save the world. If head of the church to save the world. If lest you think I'm making something out lest you think I'm making something out lest you think I'm making something out of nothing, Paul Cunningham, if you look of nothing, Paul Cunningham, if you look of nothing, Paul Cunningham, if you look really close, I watched this with the really close, I watched this with the really close, I watched this with the kids. If you look really close, there is kids. If you look really close, there is kids. If you look really close, there is one frame in the entire movie where just one frame in the entire movie where just one frame in the entire movie where just really fast they threw a little party really fast they threw a little party really fast they threw a little party cuz they're like, "We're going to save cuz they're like, "We're going to save cuz they're like, "We're going to save the world." Check out what the what the the world." Check out what the what the the world." Check out what the what the hat says. Look real close. Oh, hat says. Look real close. Oh, hat says. Look real close. Oh, >> Rocky's hat says Savior of the universe.

>> Rocky's hat says Savior of the universe. >> Rocky's hat says Savior of the universe. >> I hadn't seen that one, >> I hadn't seen that one, >> I hadn't seen that one, >> bro. It says Savior of the universe. But >> bro. It says Savior of the universe. But >> bro. It says Savior of the universe. But wait, there's even more. Now, how are wait, there's even more. Now, how are wait, there's even more. Now, how are they going to save the universe? they going to save the universe? they going to save the universe? >> You literally have a line in the movie >> You literally have a line in the movie >> You literally have a line in the movie where Grace the Christ figure says, "So, where Grace the Christ figure says, "So, where Grace the Christ figure says, "So, just so I'm clear, you're asking me just so I'm clear, you're asking me just so I'm clear, you're asking me right now to," and he uses the phrase, right now to," and he uses the phrase, right now to," and he uses the phrase, "give up my life "give up my life "give up my life >> in order to be the savior of the >> in order to be the savior of the >> in order to be the savior of the universe." universe." universe." But wait, there's even more. Okay, now But wait, there's even more. Okay, now But wait, there's even more. Okay, now this is the last layer. All right, this is the last layer. All right, this is the last layer. All right, little theology. In Genesis 3, little theology. In Genesis 3, little theology. In Genesis 3, [clears throat] after the fall of [clears throat] after the fall of [clears throat] after the fall of humanity, God comes to Eve. Remember, humanity, God comes to Eve. Remember, humanity, God comes to Eve. Remember, okay, Eve, bookmark that in your head. okay, Eve, bookmark that in your head. okay, Eve, bookmark that in your head. >> And he tells Eve, "Hey, you are going to >> And he tells Eve, "Hey, you are going to >> And he tells Eve, "Hey, you are going to be the you're going to launch the be the you're going to launch the be the you're going to launch the offspring out of you, and one of your offspring out of you, and one of your offspring out of you, and one of your offspring is going to come going to be offspring is going to come going to be offspring is going to come going to be the serpent crusher that's going to be the serpent crusher that's going to be the serpent crusher that's going to be the savior of the universe." the savior of the universe." the savior of the universe." >> So, in Genesis 3, who is Eve? Eve is the >> So, in Genesis 3, who is Eve? Eve is the >> So, in Genesis 3, who is Eve? Eve is the one watch who will launch the rescue one watch who will launch the rescue one watch who will launch the rescue mission but she will not complete the mission but she will not complete the mission but she will not complete the rescue mission. Paul and Carlos in rescue mission. Paul and Carlos in rescue mission. Paul and Carlos in project Hail Mary. What is the name of project Hail Mary. What is the name of project Hail Mary. What is the name of the female scientist who is the one that the female scientist who is the one that the female scientist who is the one that launches the mission to save the world launches the mission to save the world launches the mission to save the world but is not the one who actually but is not the one who actually but is not the one who actually accomplishes the mission? Well, let me accomplishes the mission? Well, let me accomplishes the mission? Well, let me show you. Her name is show you. Her name is show you. Her name is >> Eva.

>> Eva. >> Eva. >> Oh, Eva. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, >> Oh, Eva. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, >> Oh, Eva. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, Project Hail Mary is a Christian movie. Project Hail Mary is a Christian movie. Project Hail Mary is a Christian movie. >> Wow. No, that's [laughter] a there it >> Wow. No, that's [laughter] a there it >> Wow. No, that's [laughter] a there it was. was. was. >> Paul totally disagrees, but you know. >> Paul totally disagrees, but you know. >> Paul totally disagrees, but you know. >> Hey, just because I did that one time on >> Hey, just because I did that one time on >> Hey, just because I did that one time on Home Alone and you came back and proved Home Alone and you came back and proved Home Alone and you came back and proved [laughter] that. I've disagreed on Home [laughter] that. I've disagreed on Home [laughter] that. I've disagreed on Home Alone one time and the rest of my life. Alone one time and the rest of my life. Alone one time and the rest of my life. I'm known as a skeptic. I'm known as a skeptic. I'm known as a skeptic. >> Oh, good job. That was great. That was >> Oh, good job. That was great. That was >> Oh, good job. That was great. That was great, man. Well done. There's no way. great, man. Well done. There's no way. great, man. Well done. There's no way. That's That's just There's no That's That's just There's no That's That's just There's no >> You know what's interesting? Because I I >> You know what's interesting? Because I I >> You know what's interesting? Because I I I researched this before. The director I researched this before. The director I researched this before. The director was asked about it and he said 100% not was asked about it and he said 100% not was asked about it and he said 100% not like he did not do any of those things like he did not do any of those things like he did not do any of those things on purpose. To my understanding that's on purpose. To my understanding that's on purpose. To my understanding that's what what what >> man. So here's my theory on that then. >> man. So here's my theory on that then. >> man. So here's my theory on that then. >> Yeah, I know you got something. >> Yeah, I know you got something. >> Yeah, I know you got something. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Well, actually, it's not really a >> Well, actually, it's not really a >> Well, actually, it's not really a theory. It's tongue-in-cheek joke. theory. It's tongue-in-cheek joke. theory. It's tongue-in-cheek joke. [laughter] God has put an eternity into [laughter] God has put an eternity into [laughter] God has put an eternity into the hearts of men. the hearts of men. the hearts of men. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So every great story whispers his name. >> So every great story whispers his name. >> So every great story whispers his name. >> There you go. There you go, man. That's >> There you go. There you go, man. That's >> There you go. There you go, man. That's amazing. Hey, if you uh are here and you amazing. Hey, if you uh are here and you amazing. Hey, if you uh are here and you have not downloaded our Lakeoint app, have not downloaded our Lakeoint app, have not downloaded our Lakeoint app, you can find our daily Bible reading you can find our daily Bible reading you can find our daily Bible reading plan plus a early release of this plan plus a early release of this plan plus a early release of this episode. Text the word app to 20411 or episode. Text the word app to 20411 or episode. Text the word app to 20411 or go to Apple or Google Play Store. Uh go to Apple or Google Play Store. Uh go to Apple or Google Play Store. Uh hey, nice hat, hey, nice hat, hey, nice hat, >> bro. [laughter] We got the new new live >> bro. [laughter] We got the new new live >> bro. [laughter] We got the new new live free hat. I needed something that was free hat. I needed something that was free hat. I needed something that was like more my vibe.

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the four were the faith to start small. the four were the faith to start small. Do not despise the day of small Do not despise the day of small Do not despise the day of small beginnings. beginnings. beginnings. >> Number two, the faith to face >> Number two, the faith to face >> Number two, the faith to face opposition. opposition. opposition. >> Number three, the faith to endure when >> Number three, the faith to endure when >> Number three, the faith to endure when it hurts. Number four, the faith to it hurts. Number four, the faith to it hurts. Number four, the faith to finish what God started. Okay. finish what God started. Okay. finish what God started. Okay. >> Now, what I really want, like honestly, >> Now, what I really want, like honestly, >> Now, what I really want, like honestly, man, the limitation on any of the other man, the limitation on any of the other man, the limitation on any of the other movie stuff is it's just like there's so movie stuff is it's just like there's so movie stuff is it's just like there's so much I want to get in. So, like let me much I want to get in. So, like let me much I want to get in. So, like let me just do a couple theological things that just do a couple theological things that just do a couple theological things that I wish we had time to do that are just I wish we had time to do that are just I wish we had time to do that are just they're good for the soul of a disciple. they're good for the soul of a disciple. they're good for the soul of a disciple. Okay. Number one, uh it's really Okay. Number one, uh it's really Okay. Number one, uh it's really theologians do this a lot in church theologians do this a lot in church theologians do this a lot in church history where they'll define what saving history where they'll define what saving history where they'll define what saving faith is. faith is. faith is. >> And this is really important. Um I'm >> And this is really important. Um I'm >> And this is really important. Um I'm going to use Latin words. I think this going to use Latin words. I think this going to use Latin words. I think this is originally Augustine noticia census is originally Augustine noticia census is originally Augustine noticia census fiducia. fiducia. fiducia. >> I think it's original originally >> I think it's original originally >> I think it's original originally Augustine. You can look it up. Uh but Augustine. You can look it up. Uh but Augustine. You can look it up. Uh but theologians historically what they've theologians historically what they've theologians historically what they've noticed is that in the Bible you have noticed is that in the Bible you have noticed is that in the Bible you have you clearly have types of faith that are you clearly have types of faith that are you clearly have types of faith that are not saving faith. In fact, we're going not saving faith. In fact, we're going not saving faith. In fact, we're going to come to this in a second when we talk to come to this in a second when we talk to come to this in a second when we talk about uh whether or not you can lose about uh whether or not you can lose about uh whether or not you can lose your salvation. The lynch pin of the your salvation. The lynch pin of the your salvation. The lynch pin of the question that Paul's going to deep dive question that Paul's going to deep dive question that Paul's going to deep dive on here in a second on here in a second on here in a second >> is you can't read the Bible. There is no >> is you can't read the Bible. There is no >> is you can't read the Bible. There is no way to read the Bible without the way to read the Bible without the way to read the Bible without the reality of some people have faith in reality of some people have faith in reality of some people have faith in some way some way some way >> and are not finally saved. Mhm.

>> and are not finally saved. Mhm. >> and are not finally saved. Mhm. >> So then that the question that raises is >> So then that the question that raises is >> So then that the question that raises is how is that possible? Well, it all boils how is that possible? Well, it all boils how is that possible? Well, it all boils down to your definition of the word down to your definition of the word down to your definition of the word faith. What does faith mean? faith. What does faith mean? faith. What does faith mean? >> So let me just do this real quick. >> So let me just do this real quick. >> So let me just do this real quick. Historically, theologians have said that Historically, theologians have said that Historically, theologians have said that there are three aspects of saving faith there are three aspects of saving faith there are three aspects of saving faith and that for someone to have what and that for someone to have what and that for someone to have what theologians refer to as a salvific theologians refer to as a salvific theologians refer to as a salvific faith, man, really all three have to be faith, man, really all three have to be faith, man, really all three have to be present. Okay. present. Okay. present. Okay. >> So here's what you got. The um the uh >> So here's what you got. The um the uh >> So here's what you got. The um the uh the Latin words are noticia, asensus, the Latin words are noticia, asensus, the Latin words are noticia, asensus, and fiducia. and fiducia. and fiducia. >> This is this is like super helpful. All >> This is this is like super helpful. All >> This is this is like super helpful. All right. right. right. >> Noticia, asensus, and feducia. So >> Noticia, asensus, and feducia. So >> Noticia, asensus, and feducia. So noticia, it just means knowledge. noticia, it just means knowledge. noticia, it just means knowledge. >> So where we get the word knowledge. So >> So where we get the word knowledge. So >> So where we get the word knowledge. So this is your awareness of a fact. Yes. this is your awareness of a fact. Yes. this is your awareness of a fact. Yes. Okay. Like Okay. Like Okay. Like >> you know, Lake Church is in Dallas, >> you know, Lake Church is in Dallas, >> you know, Lake Church is in Dallas, Texas. That's a fact. This is your Texas. That's a fact. This is your Texas. That's a fact. This is your awareness of a I would say say it like awareness of a I would say say it like awareness of a I would say say it like this. Awareness of a claim. this. Awareness of a claim. this. Awareness of a claim. >> Okay. A census is a scent. >> Okay. A census is a scent. >> Okay. A census is a scent. I'm not just aware of that claim. I I'm not just aware of that claim. I I'm not just aware of that claim. I agree that that claim is true. So, agree that that claim is true. So, agree that that claim is true. So, noticia and noticia and noticia and >> Asensius >> Asensius >> Asensius census. And then theologians say there's census. And then theologians say there's census. And then theologians say there's a third aspect of faith and unless you a third aspect of faith and unless you a third aspect of faith and unless you have this third aspect of faith, you do have this third aspect of faith, you do have this third aspect of faith, you do not have a saving faith.

not have a saving faith. not have a saving faith. >> And the third aspect of faith is >> And the third aspect of faith is >> And the third aspect of faith is feducia. And it just means trust. Okay? feducia. And it just means trust. Okay? feducia. And it just means trust. Okay? So now think about what you got. You got So now think about what you got. You got So now think about what you got. You got noticia. I am aware of a fact. As a noticia. I am aware of a fact. As a noticia. I am aware of a fact. As a census, I agree with a fact. Fiducia, I census, I agree with a fact. Fiducia, I census, I agree with a fact. Fiducia, I place the entire weight of my life on place the entire weight of my life on place the entire weight of my life on that fact. I trust that fact. Okay. Now, that fact. I trust that fact. Okay. Now, that fact. I trust that fact. Okay. Now, I'll just do this real quick and you I'll just do this real quick and you I'll just do this real quick and you guys can riff on this if you you want to guys can riff on this if you you want to guys can riff on this if you you want to add anything and then I I want to do do add anything and then I I want to do do add anything and then I I want to do do a couple other things. What's a couple other things. What's a couple other things. What's interesting is if you you read your New interesting is if you you read your New interesting is if you you read your New Testament, you're going to notice that Testament, you're going to notice that Testament, you're going to notice that there are all three categories of there are all three categories of there are all three categories of people. All right? So, for instance, people. All right? So, for instance, people. All right? So, for instance, >> you got Judas, and I may talk about this >> you got Judas, and I may talk about this >> you got Judas, and I may talk about this here in a second. We get to loss of here in a second. We get to loss of here in a second. We get to loss of salvation stuff. salvation stuff. salvation stuff. >> Judas had noticia. He was aware of Jesus >> Judas had noticia. He was aware of Jesus >> Judas had noticia. He was aware of Jesus claim to be Lord. claim to be Lord. claim to be Lord. >> He did not have a scent or trust. Judas >> He did not have a scent or trust. Judas >> He did not have a scent or trust. Judas never affirms the lordship of Jesus. In never affirms the lordship of Jesus. In never affirms the lordship of Jesus. In fact, he strikingly goes out of his way fact, he strikingly goes out of his way fact, he strikingly goes out of his way to avoid affirming the lordship of to avoid affirming the lordship of to avoid affirming the lordship of Jesus. So, he had noticia but not a Jesus. So, he had noticia but not a Jesus. So, he had noticia but not a census or feducia. Uh, honestly, the census or feducia. Uh, honestly, the census or feducia. Uh, honestly, the example of someone who has uh uh example of someone who has uh uh example of someone who has uh uh knowledge and ascent but not trust.

knowledge and ascent but not trust. knowledge and ascent but not trust. Demons. Demons. Demons. >> Yes. Mhm. >> Yes. Mhm. >> Yes. Mhm. >> So the book of James says that even the >> So the book of James says that even the >> So the book of James says that even the demons believe and they demons believe and they demons believe and they >> shudder >> shudder >> shudder >> they shudder. So demons they're aware of >> they shudder. So demons they're aware of >> they shudder. So demons they're aware of Jesus claim to be to be Lord. Number two Jesus claim to be to be Lord. Number two Jesus claim to be to be Lord. Number two they agree that Jesus is Lord but they they agree that Jesus is Lord but they they agree that Jesus is Lord but they do not have feduc they don't tr they do not have feduc they don't tr they do not have feduc they don't tr they don't play place their the weight of don't play place their the weight of don't play place their the weight of their trust in that. Okay. So, demons their trust in that. Okay. So, demons their trust in that. Okay. So, demons and then the example of saving faith and then the example of saving faith and then the example of saving faith noticia asensus feducia is Peter or any noticia asensus feducia is Peter or any noticia asensus feducia is Peter or any converted person. And that's somebody converted person. And that's somebody converted person. And that's somebody who says this who says this who says this >> uh I know that you say you're Lord. I >> uh I know that you say you're Lord. I >> uh I know that you say you're Lord. I agree that you are Lord and I will agree that you are Lord and I will agree that you are Lord and I will follow you unto my death because I trust follow you unto my death because I trust follow you unto my death because I trust that my Lord can save me and raise me that my Lord can save me and raise me that my Lord can save me and raise me from the dead. from the dead. from the dead. >> That is saving faith. Now, I will just >> That is saving faith. Now, I will just >> That is saving faith. Now, I will just say this, dude. uh being a pastor in the say this, dude. uh being a pastor in the say this, dude. uh being a pastor in the Bible belt, you got a ton of people who Bible belt, you got a ton of people who Bible belt, you got a ton of people who they have knowledge and they even have they have knowledge and they even have they have knowledge and they even have agreement, but very frankly they do not agreement, but very frankly they do not agreement, but very frankly they do not live their lives in obedience because live their lives in obedience because live their lives in obedience because they do not trust the lordship of Jesus.

they do not trust the lordship of Jesus. they do not trust the lordship of Jesus. And to that I would just give a warning. And to that I would just give a warning. And to that I would just give a warning. Twothirds faith will send you to hell. Twothirds faith will send you to hell. Twothirds faith will send you to hell. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> that's a very important thing to be >> that's a very important thing to be >> that's a very important thing to be aware of. aware of. aware of. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Anything you want to anything you want >> Anything you want to anything you want >> Anything you want to anything you want to riff on there before I just keep to riff on there before I just keep to riff on there before I just keep going? Yeah, I think uh in 2023 there going? Yeah, I think uh in 2023 there going? Yeah, I think uh in 2023 there was a poll that was made that found that was a poll that was made that found that was a poll that was made that found that 66% of Americans claimed to be Christian 66% of Americans claimed to be Christian 66% of Americans claimed to be Christian in 2023. in 2023. in 2023. >> In 2023, that's right. So that's >> In 2023, that's right. So that's >> In 2023, that's right. So that's literally like twothirds of our country literally like twothirds of our country literally like twothirds of our country claiming to follow Jesus and put their claiming to follow Jesus and put their claiming to follow Jesus and put their trust in Jesus. Now uh what you just trust in Jesus. Now uh what you just trust in Jesus. Now uh what you just said makes a lot of sense because said makes a lot of sense because said makes a lot of sense because especially you know a lot of people that especially you know a lot of people that especially you know a lot of people that are very familiar especially in this are very familiar especially in this are very familiar especially in this country with Christianity with the Bible country with Christianity with the Bible country with Christianity with the Bible they'll say things like man I believe in they'll say things like man I believe in they'll say things like man I believe in God but like you said like even the God but like you said like even the God but like you said like even the demons believe in God. Actually demons demons believe in God. Actually demons demons believe in God. Actually demons theology is probably better than your theology is probably better than your theology is probably better than your theology and mine. They have that theology and mine. They have that theology and mine. They have that intellectual ascent uh ascent and intellectual ascent uh ascent and intellectual ascent uh ascent and noticia uh but they don't put their noticia uh but they don't put their noticia uh but they don't put their trust in Jesus. So you got to be trust in Jesus. So you got to be trust in Jesus. So you got to be careful. It's not just it's not enough careful. It's not just it's not enough careful. It's not just it's not enough to uh believe in God. You have to to uh believe in God. You have to to uh believe in God. You have to actually know who he is. Uh some people actually know who he is. Uh some people actually know who he is. Uh some people would say, "Yeah, well my parents uh would say, "Yeah, well my parents uh would say, "Yeah, well my parents uh have faith. Therefore, I'm a Christian." have faith. Therefore, I'm a Christian." have faith. Therefore, I'm a Christian." Well, the Bible says God has children. Well, the Bible says God has children. Well, the Bible says God has children. It doesn't say he has grandchildren. It doesn't say he has grandchildren. It doesn't say he has grandchildren. Your parents' faith is great that they Your parents' faith is great that they Your parents' faith is great that they have it. You you need to make your faith have it. You you need to make your faith have it. You you need to make your faith your own. Um people would say, "Well, I your own. Um people would say, "Well, I your own. Um people would say, "Well, I was born in the Bible belt or I was born was born in the Bible belt or I was born was born in the Bible belt or I was born in a Christian home." That's great that in a Christian home." That's great that in a Christian home." That's great that you were born there. You need to be born you were born there. You need to be born you were born there. You need to be born again. That's what Jesus said. Uh, well, again. That's what Jesus said. Uh, well, again. That's what Jesus said. Uh, well, I have a cross on my house. I have a I have a cross on my house. I have a I have a cross on my house. I have a cross on my neck. Well, you need to cross on my neck. Well, you need to cross on my neck. Well, you need to carry that cross on your back. That's carry that cross on your back. That's carry that cross on your back. That's what Jesus said. Deny yourself. Uh, what Jesus said. Deny yourself. Uh, what Jesus said. Deny yourself. Uh, follow me and and be my disciple. Uh, follow me and and be my disciple. Uh, follow me and and be my disciple. Uh, and then people would say, well, I'm and then people would say, well, I'm and then people would say, well, I'm really familiar with the scriptures.

really familiar with the scriptures. really familiar with the scriptures. Actually know a lot of theology. I Actually know a lot of theology. I Actually know a lot of theology. I actually been to Bible uh school and I actually been to Bible uh school and I actually been to Bible uh school and I have a lot of degrees in theology. have a lot of degrees in theology. have a lot of degrees in theology. Therefore, I'm a Christian. Uh, yeah, Therefore, I'm a Christian. Uh, yeah, Therefore, I'm a Christian. Uh, yeah, but are you familiar with the author? but are you familiar with the author? but are you familiar with the author? You know, the Holy Spirit. You know, the Holy Spirit. You know, the Holy Spirit. >> Uh, do do you uh does the things that >> Uh, do do you uh does the things that >> Uh, do do you uh does the things that grieve the Holy Spirit grieve your heart grieve the Holy Spirit grieve your heart grieve the Holy Spirit grieve your heart as well? Are you led not by your as well? Are you led not by your as well? Are you led not by your emotions, but by what the Holy Spirit emotions, but by what the Holy Spirit emotions, but by what the Holy Spirit wants you to do? And so we live in right wants you to do? And so we live in right wants you to do? And so we live in right now in a in a time where it seems like now in a in a time where it seems like now in a in a time where it seems like also Christianity has permeated the also Christianity has permeated the also Christianity has permeated the culture and there's a lot that is really culture and there's a lot that is really culture and there's a lot that is really good about it. Uh a lot of things that good about it. Uh a lot of things that good about it. Uh a lot of things that are really good about Christianity are really good about Christianity are really good about Christianity permeating the culture. Uh but even more permeating the culture. Uh but even more permeating the culture. Uh but even more important than that is whether important than that is whether important than that is whether Christianity has permeated your soul and Christianity has permeated your soul and Christianity has permeated your soul and that is where you get the three types of that is where you get the three types of that is where you get the three types of faith as well. And I think that's faith as well. And I think that's faith as well. And I think that's important for people to know. important for people to know. important for people to know. >> Yes man. Amen. >> Yes man. Amen. >> Yes man. Amen. >> Just one one encouragement like you said >> Just one one encouragement like you said >> Just one one encouragement like you said all three are essential to have saving all three are essential to have saving all three are essential to have saving faith. But I will say once you have all faith. But I will say once you have all faith. But I will say once you have all three, I think you need to know that the three, I think you need to know that the three, I think you need to know that the determining thing and the most important determining thing and the most important determining thing and the most important thing is actually not the third factor, thing is actually not the third factor, thing is actually not the third factor, the trust. And here here's what I mean. the trust. And here here's what I mean. the trust. And here here's what I mean. Just follow me for a second is because I Just follow me for a second is because I Just follow me for a second is because I I just know people that have even though I just know people that have even though I just know people that have even though they're genuine believers, they've they're genuine believers, they've they're genuine believers, they've genuinely been saved, they have moments genuinely been saved, they have moments genuinely been saved, they have moments of doubt or moments where they just of doubt or moments where they just of doubt or moments where they just don't have complete trust in God. They don't have complete trust in God. They don't have complete trust in God. They have some faith, but not total like not have some faith, but not total like not have some faith, but not total like not not not total faith. They're just having not not total faith. They're just having not not total faith. They're just having kind of wavering in their in their doubt kind of wavering in their in their doubt kind of wavering in their in their doubt and their emotions and everything. And and their emotions and everything. And and their emotions and everything. And so, uh, we're not going to show the so, uh, we're not going to show the so, uh, we're not going to show the video to save time, but a few weeks ago, video to save time, but a few weeks ago, video to save time, but a few weeks ago, I shared in our last podcast, I did a I shared in our last podcast, I did a I shared in our last podcast, I did a zipline, and I I do not like zip lines.

zipline, and I I do not like zip lines. zipline, and I I do not like zip lines. And I had all these aspects of faith And I had all these aspects of faith And I had all these aspects of faith that you mentioned. Um, I knew that the that you mentioned. Um, I knew that the that you mentioned. Um, I knew that the cable and that my harness could hold way cable and that my harness could hold way cable and that my harness could hold way more weight than I weigh. So, I had a more weight than I weigh. So, I had a more weight than I weigh. So, I had a knowledge of it. Um, I asented. I agreed knowledge of it. Um, I asented. I agreed knowledge of it. Um, I asented. I agreed that it could hold me. But you didn't that it could hold me. But you didn't that it could hold me. But you didn't actually see that third part, that actually see that third part, that actually see that third part, that trust, until I was willing to put my trust, until I was willing to put my trust, until I was willing to put my weight on it and go across. But here's weight on it and go across. But here's weight on it and go across. But here's the reality. Once I start going across, the reality. Once I start going across, the reality. Once I start going across, do you think I've just like I was like, do you think I've just like I was like, do you think I've just like I was like, "Oh, yay. This is awesome. No, if you "Oh, yay. This is awesome. No, if you "Oh, yay. This is awesome. No, if you actually watch the video, I'm like actually watch the video, I'm like actually watch the video, I'm like holding on [laughter] for dear life and holding on [laughter] for dear life and holding on [laughter] for dear life and like my wife says, "Baby, I love you." I like my wife says, "Baby, I love you." I like my wife says, "Baby, I love you." I don't even look at her. I can't. I'm so don't even look at her. I can't. I'm so don't even look at her. I can't. I'm so scared cuz we're like 200 250 ft in the scared cuz we're like 200 250 ft in the scared cuz we're like 200 250 ft in the air and like I'm just going through my air and like I'm just going through my air and like I'm just going through my mind of like these images of me all of a mind of like these images of me all of a mind of like these images of me all of a sudden just falling in that moment. What sudden just falling in that moment. What sudden just falling in that moment. What was holding me up there? was holding me up there? was holding me up there? >> It wasn't me. >> It wasn't me. >> It wasn't me. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> It was the reality of that number one >> It was the reality of that number one >> It was the reality of that number one thing that it was strong enough to hold thing that it was strong enough to hold thing that it was strong enough to hold me. That was the most important thing in me. That was the most important thing in me. That was the most important thing in that moment. that moment. that moment. >> The reason I say is you have to have all >> The reason I say is you have to have all >> The reason I say is you have to have all three to have saving faith. But in the three to have saving faith. But in the three to have saving faith. But in the moments where your faith is wavering, in moments where your faith is wavering, in moments where your faith is wavering, in the moments where you have some doubts the moments where you have some doubts the moments where you have some doubts and you're not sure, you're scared to and you're not sure, you're scared to and you're not sure, you're scared to take a step of faith, whatever it is, take a step of faith, whatever it is, take a step of faith, whatever it is, the most important thing right then is the most important thing right then is the most important thing right then is not the strength of your faith, but it's not the strength of your faith, but it's not the strength of your faith, but it's the strength of your God. That's right.

the strength of your God. That's right. the strength of your God. That's right. >> It's not the strength of the subject of >> It's not the strength of the subject of >> It's not the strength of the subject of faith. It's the strength of the object faith. It's the strength of the object faith. It's the strength of the object of the faith as just an encouragement of the faith as just an encouragement of the faith as just an encouragement for you if you ever Yeah. for you if you ever Yeah. for you if you ever Yeah. >> Here's why this is really important, >> Here's why this is really important, >> Here's why this is really important, man. So, that actually leads into one of man. So, that actually leads into one of man. So, that actually leads into one of the other things I wish I got in the the other things I wish I got in the the other things I wish I got in the sermon. So um there are a lot of people sermon. So um there are a lot of people sermon. So um there are a lot of people es man especially if you come people es man especially if you come people es man especially if you come people that come from charismatic backgrounds I that come from charismatic backgrounds I that come from charismatic backgrounds I think who man honestly kind of the vibe think who man honestly kind of the vibe think who man honestly kind of the vibe they pick up is man it's the strength of they pick up is man it's the strength of they pick up is man it's the strength of my faith yeah my faith yeah my faith yeah >> that saves me or activates something in >> that saves me or activates something in >> that saves me or activates something in God and dude you kind of get this vibe God and dude you kind of get this vibe God and dude you kind of get this vibe of like man you know I think I have like of like man you know I think I have like of like man you know I think I have like level two faith level two faith level two faith >> and if I had level eight faith well then >> and if I had level eight faith well then >> and if I had level eight faith well then I'd be a little more in with God and man I'd be a little more in with God and man I'd be a little more in with God and man maybe he would work more on my behalf maybe he would work more on my behalf maybe he would work more on my behalf and honestly I think there's some people and honestly I think there's some people and honestly I think there's some people are like man is that if you said Hey, are like man is that if you said Hey, are like man is that if you said Hey, you did the old pluda. On a scale of 1 you did the old pluda. On a scale of 1 you did the old pluda. On a scale of 1 to 10, how confident are you making it to 10, how confident are you making it to 10, how confident are you making it into heaven? Honestly, they'd go, "Well, into heaven? Honestly, they'd go, "Well, into heaven? Honestly, they'd go, "Well, I have a level three strength faith, so I have a level three strength faith, so I have a level three strength faith, so maybe a three." maybe a three." maybe a three." >> And if I had level level nine faith, >> And if I had level level nine faith, >> And if I had level level nine faith, they'd be level nine. So, dude, here I I they'd be level nine. So, dude, here I I they'd be level nine. So, dude, here I I love this so much. [clears throat] love this so much. [clears throat] love this so much. [clears throat] >> So, let me say it and then explain it. >> So, let me say it and then explain it. >> So, let me say it and then explain it. >> The theology of faith in the New >> The theology of faith in the New >> The theology of faith in the New Testament is that it is not the strength Testament is that it is not the strength Testament is that it is not the strength of your faith that saves you. It is the of your faith that saves you. It is the of your faith that saves you. It is the object of your faith that saves you.

object of your faith that saves you. object of your faith that saves you. Okay? So this is why a lot of people Okay? So this is why a lot of people Okay? So this is why a lot of people miss what Jesus is doing when Jesus miss what Jesus is doing when Jesus miss what Jesus is doing when Jesus tells that parable and he says hey if tells that parable and he says hey if tells that parable and he says hey if you have faith the size of a mustard you have faith the size of a mustard you have faith the size of a mustard seed mustard seed this he says the seed mustard seed this he says the seed mustard seed this he says the smallest of all seeds he's using smallest of all seeds he's using smallest of all seeds he's using phenomenological language it's not you phenomenological language it's not you phenomenological language it's not you know all know all know all >> faith the size of mustard seed you can >> faith the size of mustard seed you can >> faith the size of mustard seed you can tell this mountain to move and it'll tell this mountain to move and it'll tell this mountain to move and it'll move his point is hey brother it's move his point is hey brother it's move his point is hey brother it's actually not about how strong or big actually not about how strong or big actually not about how strong or big your faith is about what your faith is your faith is about what your faith is your faith is about what your faith is in dude okay I love that we I didn't in dude okay I love that we I didn't in dude okay I love that we I didn't plan to do this so [clears throat] you plan to do this so [clears throat] you plan to do this so [clears throat] you you know that uh have you ever seen you know that uh have you ever seen you know that uh have you ever seen actually I won't I won't do that actually I won't I won't do that actually I won't I won't do that >> the da Carson >> the da Carson >> the da Carson >> the da carson Bro, it's so [laughter] >> the da carson Bro, it's so [laughter] >> the da carson Bro, it's so [laughter] good, man. It's like one of the best good, man. It's like one of the best good, man. It's like one of the best preaching clips like ever. Okay, so like preaching clips like ever. Okay, so like preaching clips like ever. Okay, so like he he he uses this analogy. So, think he he he uses this analogy. So, think he he he uses this analogy. So, think about this. about this. about this. >> He he goes, um, have you seen it, >> He he goes, um, have you seen it, >> He he goes, um, have you seen it, Carlos? Carlos? Carlos? >> I have a chance. >> I have a chance. >> I have a chance. >> It's right. Well, I was going to >> It's right. Well, I was going to >> It's right. Well, I was going to surprise you. [laughter] surprise you. [laughter] surprise you. [laughter] >> So, he used this analogy. >> So, he used this analogy. >> So, he used this analogy. >> He's with us, man. Go ahead. >> He's with us, man. Go ahead. >> He's with us, man. Go ahead. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He uses this analogy and he goes, "Hey He uses this analogy and he goes, "Hey He uses this analogy and he goes, "Hey man, if you were to go back to the man, if you were to go back to the man, if you were to go back to the beginning of Exodus on the first beginning of Exodus on the first beginning of Exodus on the first Passover when God was like, hey, Passover when God was like, hey, Passover when God was like, hey, slaughter the lamb, put the blood on the slaughter the lamb, put the blood on the slaughter the lamb, put the blood on the doorpost, and the angel of death will doorpost, and the angel of death will doorpost, and the angel of death will pass over and won't take your firstborn pass over and won't take your firstborn pass over and won't take your firstborn son." And dude, he gives this. It's so son." And dude, he gives this. It's so son." And dude, he gives this. It's so good, man. I like every time I watch it, good, man. I like every time I watch it, good, man. I like every time I watch it, I finish and it's like, [sighs] I finish and it's like, [sighs] I finish and it's like, [sighs] okay, so so he goes he goes, imagine okay, so so he goes he goes, imagine okay, so so he goes he goes, imagine there's two Israelite dads the night there's two Israelite dads the night there's two Israelite dads the night before the first Passover. And I think before the first Passover. And I think before the first Passover. And I think he calls them Smith and Brown.

he calls them Smith and Brown. he calls them Smith and Brown. >> Oh, bro, I haven't I haven't heard this >> Oh, bro, I haven't I haven't heard this >> Oh, bro, I haven't I haven't heard this one. one. one. >> All right. Oh, bro, this is going to be >> All right. Oh, bro, this is going to be >> All right. Oh, bro, this is going to be so good. Okay, go ahead. All right, so good. Okay, go ahead. All right, so good. Okay, go ahead. All right, listen. He goes, imagine, Carlos, I'm listen. He goes, imagine, Carlos, I'm listen. He goes, imagine, Carlos, I'm going to tell it to you. going to tell it to you. going to tell it to you. >> He goes, imagine there's two Israelite >> He goes, imagine there's two Israelite >> He goes, imagine there's two Israelite dads the night of the first Passover. dads the night of the first Passover. dads the night of the first Passover. Smith and Brown and they both have heard Smith and Brown and they both have heard Smith and Brown and they both have heard blood on the doorposts, angel of death blood on the doorposts, angel of death blood on the doorposts, angel of death is coming. Going to take your firstborn is coming. Going to take your firstborn is coming. Going to take your firstborn son. And Carson goes, "Hey man, um the son. And Carson goes, "Hey man, um the son. And Carson goes, "Hey man, um the first guy, Smith, uh Brown walks up to first guy, Smith, uh Brown walks up to first guy, Smith, uh Brown walks up to Smith and he's like, "Man, what do you Smith and he's like, "Man, what do you Smith and he's like, "Man, what do you think about all this? What do you think think about all this? What do you think think about all this? What do you think about all this blood of lamb on the about all this blood of lamb on the about all this blood of lamb on the doorpost thing?" And Smith goes, "I doorpost thing?" And Smith goes, "I doorpost thing?" And Smith goes, "I don't know, man. I don't know. Sounds a don't know, man. I don't know. Sounds a don't know, man. I don't know. Sounds a little weird to me. Easy for other little weird to me. Easy for other little weird to me. Easy for other people to have faith that, you know, people to have faith that, you know, people to have faith that, you know, about the, you know, angel of death about the, you know, angel of death about the, you know, angel of death passing over. you got three kids. If you passing over. you got three kids. If you passing over. you got three kids. If you lose one, you're I only got one kid. You lose one, you're I only got one kid. You lose one, you're I only got one kid. You know, do all this stuff. I don't know. know, do all this stuff. I don't know. know, do all this stuff. I don't know. >> But he's like, "You know what? Just in >> But he's like, "You know what? Just in >> But he's like, "You know what? Just in case, case, case, I'm going to slaughter a lamb and put I'm going to slaughter a lamb and put I'm going to slaughter a lamb and put the blood over the doorpost." And he the blood over the doorpost." And he the blood over the doorpost." And he does. does. does. >> And then he asks Brown, "What what do >> And then he asks Brown, "What what do >> And then he asks Brown, "What what do you think, Brown? What do you think you think, Brown? What do you think you think, Brown? What do you think about it?" And Brown says, "Bring it on.

about it?" And Brown says, "Bring it on. about it?" And Brown says, "Bring it on. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> I believe in the promises of God. My God >> I believe in the promises of God. My God >> I believe in the promises of God. My God will never fail." will never fail." will never fail." >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> My God will never fail me. And so that >> My God will never fail me. And so that >> My God will never fail me. And so that night, uh, both those guys go night, uh, both those guys go night, uh, both those guys go [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] with two very different levels of faith with two very different levels of faith with two very different levels of faith >> and they slay the lamb and they put the >> and they slay the lamb and they put the >> and they slay the lamb and they put the blood over the doorpost. And then Carson blood over the doorpost. And then Carson blood over the doorpost. And then Carson pauses for like 10 seconds. And he goes, pauses for like 10 seconds. And he goes, pauses for like 10 seconds. And he goes, "Which one did the angel of death pass "Which one did the angel of death pass "Which one did the angel of death pass over that night?" And the answer is over that night?" And the answer is over that night?" And the answer is obviously obviously obviously both. both. both. >> Both. That's right. >> Both. That's right. >> Both. That's right. >> Both. Why? >> Both. Why? >> Both. Why? Because death did not pass over on the Because death did not pass over on the Because death did not pass over on the grounds of the intensity of their faith, grounds of the intensity of their faith, grounds of the intensity of their faith, but on the object of their faith, the but on the object of their faith, the but on the object of their faith, the blood of the slain lamb. And then he blood of the slain lamb. And then he blood of the slain lamb. And then he goes he he starts quoting to him in the goes he he starts quoting to him in the goes he he starts quoting to him in the in the clip. He goes, "I have no other in the clip. He goes, "I have no other in the clip. He goes, "I have no other argument. I need no other plea. It is argument. I need no other plea. It is argument. I need no other plea. It is enough that Jesus died and that he died enough that Jesus died and that he died enough that Jesus died and that he died for me." for me." for me." >> Wow. [laughter] Wow. Come on. If you >> Wow. [laughter] Wow. Come on. If you >> Wow. [laughter] Wow. Come on. If you have faith the size of a mustard seed, have faith the size of a mustard seed, have faith the size of a mustard seed, if you'll just wiggle a little pinky toe if you'll just wiggle a little pinky toe if you'll just wiggle a little pinky toe in God's direction [laughter] in God's direction [laughter] in God's direction [laughter] in Christ, then he's going to close the in Christ, then he's going to close the in Christ, then he's going to close the gap. Why?

gap. Why? gap. Why? >> Because it's not dependent on the >> Because it's not dependent on the >> Because it's not dependent on the intensity of your faith, intensity of your faith, intensity of your faith, >> but on the strength of your faith. Now, >> but on the strength of your faith. Now, >> but on the strength of your faith. Now, can let me rifle through a couple other can let me rifle through a couple other can let me rifle through a couple other things. I got you something. things. I got you something. things. I got you something. >> Yeah. Yeah. just uh and also you know >> Yeah. Yeah. just uh and also you know >> Yeah. Yeah. just uh and also you know cuz we live in some uh places in a in a cuz we live in some uh places in a in a cuz we live in some uh places in a in a postsecular post-Christian uh make sure postsecular post-Christian uh make sure postsecular post-Christian uh make sure the object of your faith is Jesus or the object of your faith is Jesus or the object of your faith is Jesus or make sure the object of your faith is make sure the object of your faith is make sure the object of your faith is strong enough to sustain you because it strong enough to sustain you because it strong enough to sustain you because it is not enough then to have faith in the is not enough then to have faith in the is not enough then to have faith in the universe or in humanity or in good vibes universe or in humanity or in good vibes universe or in humanity or in good vibes or you know only Jesus can save you or you know only Jesus can save you or you know only Jesus can save you >> right that whole thing it's like some >> right that whole thing it's like some >> right that whole thing it's like some people are like man you know it really people are like man you know it really people are like man you know it really doesn't matter what you believe in as doesn't matter what you believe in as doesn't matter what you believe in as long as your faith is sincere it's like long as your faith is sincere it's like long as your faith is sincere it's like well actually no man you can be sincere well actually no man you can be sincere well actually no man you can be sincere and sincerely wrong. and sincerely wrong. and sincerely wrong. >> It's like if I'm drowning in my pool >> It's like if I'm drowning in my pool >> It's like if I'm drowning in my pool >> and Hudson throws me a cinder block. I >> and Hudson throws me a cinder block. I >> and Hudson throws me a cinder block. I can have all the faith I want in that can have all the faith I want in that can have all the faith I want in that dagum cinder block. I'm going to the dagum cinder block. I'm going to the dagum cinder block. I'm going to the ground if I trust that thing. ground if I trust that thing. ground if I trust that thing. >> If I if I ziplined on a piece of floss, >> If I if I ziplined on a piece of floss, >> If I if I ziplined on a piece of floss, I would have died. [laughter] I would have died. [laughter] I would have died. [laughter] >> That's a good analogy. All right. Now, >> That's a good analogy. All right. Now, >> That's a good analogy. All right. Now, the last thing I wanted to do uh I dude the last thing I wanted to do uh I dude the last thing I wanted to do uh I dude I had to cut this like two minutes I had to cut this like two minutes I had to cut this like two minutes before shooting this and it I just it before shooting this and it I just it before shooting this and it I just it just killed me. So [clears throat] this just killed me. So [clears throat] this just killed me. So [clears throat] this is like it's the we will never is like it's the we will never is like it's the we will never understand the level to which faith act understand the level to which faith act understand the level to which faith act it activates the power of God.

it activates the power of God. it activates the power of God. >> And dude, I don't care who you are. You >> And dude, I don't care who you are. You >> And dude, I don't care who you are. You can the you can try to theology your way can the you can try to theology your way can the you can try to theology your way out of this all you want. Everywhere in out of this all you want. Everywhere in out of this all you want. Everywhere in the Bible, faith activates power. I'll the Bible, faith activates power. I'll the Bible, faith activates power. I'll give give some examples and then I'll do give give some examples and then I'll do give give some examples and then I'll do my very favorite one. Okay. So Joshua 3, my very favorite one. Okay. So Joshua 3, my very favorite one. Okay. So Joshua 3, the children of Israel are are passing the children of Israel are are passing the children of Israel are are passing over into the uh the land of Canaan. And over into the uh the land of Canaan. And over into the uh the land of Canaan. And it's if you ever watch that that it's if you ever watch that that it's if you ever watch that that passage, pay attention real close. It passage, pay attention real close. It passage, pay attention real close. It says the second that the leaders their says the second that the leaders their says the second that the leaders their feet touch the water. feet touch the water. feet touch the water. >> So dude, the thing's in flood stage and >> So dude, the thing's in flood stage and >> So dude, the thing's in flood stage and God goes, "Hey, walk." God goes, "Hey, walk." God goes, "Hey, walk." >> But he doesn't do the miracle until they >> But he doesn't do the miracle until they >> But he doesn't do the miracle until they take the step. Uh same thing, Moses in take the step. Uh same thing, Moses in take the step. Uh same thing, Moses in front of the Red Sea. God tells him front of the Red Sea. God tells him front of the Red Sea. God tells him what's going to happen. It's not until what's going to happen. It's not until what's going to happen. It's not until he raises the staff in faith that God he raises the staff in faith that God he raises the staff in faith that God bars the Red Sea. Uh Luke 17:14, bars the Red Sea. Uh Luke 17:14, bars the Red Sea. Uh Luke 17:14, >> really interesting passage. Jesus healed >> really interesting passage. Jesus healed >> really interesting passage. Jesus healed a bunch of lepers and he tells them, a bunch of lepers and he tells them, a bunch of lepers and he tells them, "Hey, I'm I'm going to heal you. Go show "Hey, I'm I'm going to heal you. Go show "Hey, I'm I'm going to heal you. Go show yourselves to the priests." And dude, if yourselves to the priests." And dude, if yourselves to the priests." And dude, if you read that passage, you got to watch you read that passage, you got to watch you read that passage, you got to watch close, bro, because it says, quote, "As close, bro, because it says, quote, "As close, bro, because it says, quote, "As they went, they were cleansed." they went, they were cleansed." they went, they were cleansed." >> So, they're not healed till they take >> So, they're not healed till they take >> So, they're not healed till they take the steps in faith. Uh Jesus goes back the steps in faith. Uh Jesus goes back the steps in faith. Uh Jesus goes back to Nazareth where he grows up, little to Nazareth where he grows up, little to Nazareth where he grows up, little hick town.

hick town. hick town. >> And if you pay attention, it says uh it >> And if you pay attention, it says uh it >> And if you pay attention, it says uh it does not say he uh would not do any does not say he uh would not do any does not say he uh would not do any miracles there. And dude, honestly, I miracles there. And dude, honestly, I miracles there. And dude, honestly, I don't even totally know how to do the don't even totally know how to do the don't even totally know how to do the theology on this. I'm just I believe my theology on this. I'm just I believe my theology on this. I'm just I believe my Bible. Bible. Bible. >> It says he could not. >> It says he could not. >> It says he could not. >> It says he could not do any miracles >> It says he could not do any miracles >> It says he could not do any miracles there. Okay. And then here's my favorite there. Okay. And then here's my favorite there. Okay. And then here's my favorite one. All right. If if you're a listener one. All right. If if you're a listener one. All right. If if you're a listener and you never heard this, this is this and you never heard this, this is this and you never heard this, this is this is like my favorite one. So, here's what is like my favorite one. So, here's what is like my favorite one. So, here's what I'm going to do. Numbers 13, you got I'm going to do. Numbers 13, you got I'm going to do. Numbers 13, you got that whole deal where Joshua sent the 12 that whole deal where Joshua sent the 12 that whole deal where Joshua sent the 12 spies into Canaan, right? This is again spies into Canaan, right? This is again spies into Canaan, right? This is again what faith activates power of God. And what faith activates power of God. And what faith activates power of God. And [clears throat] they send the 12 12 [clears throat] they send the 12 12 [clears throat] they send the 12 12 spies in and they spy the land. They see spies in and they spy the land. They see spies in and they spy the land. They see all the giants, you know, all the deal. all the giants, you know, all the deal. all the giants, you know, all the deal. They come back and they give a report. They come back and they give a report. They come back and they give a report. Okay? And they they come back and like, Okay? And they they come back and like, Okay? And they they come back and like, "Man, there's some big old dum giants in "Man, there's some big old dum giants in "Man, there's some big old dum giants in there and what are we going to do about there and what are we going to do about there and what are we going to do about it?" Now, I'm going to I'm going to make it?" Now, I'm going to I'm going to make it?" Now, I'm going to I'm going to make a point here, okay? 10 of the spies come a point here, okay? 10 of the spies come a point here, okay? 10 of the spies come back and they're like, "Ain't no way. back and they're like, "Ain't no way. back and they're like, "Ain't no way. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] Ain't no way. We We don't got this." Is Ain't no way. We We don't got this." Is Ain't no way. We We don't got this." Is what they say. Okay? And they're like, what they say. Okay? And they're like, what they say. Okay? And they're like, "Let's not go in." "Let's not go in." "Let's not go in." >> There's two of the guys who they have >> There's two of the guys who they have >> There's two of the guys who they have faith and they're like, "Hey, man. It faith and they're like, "Hey, man. It faith and they're like, "Hey, man. It doesn't matter. God's with us." Okay? doesn't matter. God's with us." Okay? doesn't matter. God's with us." Okay? Now, I want you guys I'm going to read Now, I want you guys I'm going to read Now, I want you guys I'm going to read you 12 names. I love doing this so much.

you 12 names. I love doing this so much. you 12 names. I love doing this so much. I'm going to read you 12 names. When I I'm going to read you 12 names. When I I'm going to read you 12 names. When I say a name that you have met someone who say a name that you have met someone who say a name that you have met someone who actually had that name, I want you to actually had that name, I want you to actually had that name, I want you to let me know. Okay. All right. Here's the let me know. Okay. All right. Here's the let me know. Okay. All right. Here's the names of 12 spies. All right. Shimua, names of 12 spies. All right. Shimua, names of 12 spies. All right. Shimua, Shaat, Shaat, Shaat, Palty, Palty, Palty, Gadiel. These baby names are are Gadiel. These baby names are are Gadiel. These baby names are are available. Gotti. available. Gotti. available. Gotti. No. Amile No. Amile No. Amile >> Cather. Nabi. Guuiel. >> Cather. Nabi. Guuiel. >> Cather. Nabi. Guuiel. Joshua. Joshua. Joshua. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Caleb. >> Caleb. >> Caleb. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Watch. The only people who get >> Okay. Watch. The only people who get >> Okay. Watch. The only people who get remembered are the people who walk by remembered are the people who walk by remembered are the people who walk by faith. faith. faith. >> That's the point. Okay. Nobody gets >> That's the point. Okay. Nobody gets >> That's the point. Okay. Nobody gets remembered who lives by fear because remembered who lives by fear because remembered who lives by fear because fear will keep you from your calling. fear will keep you from your calling. fear will keep you from your calling. And what it will do is it'll it'll it And what it will do is it'll it'll it And what it will do is it'll it'll it will erase your legacy of faith before will erase your legacy of faith before will erase your legacy of faith before it ever happens. So what you you got to it ever happens. So what you you got to it ever happens. So what you you got to get down deep in your souls, man. It get down deep in your souls, man. It get down deep in your souls, man. It actually does matter that we become actually does matter that we become actually does matter that we become people who walk by faith. It matters. people who walk by faith. It matters. people who walk by faith. It matters. >> It's good. >> It's good. >> It's good. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Right.

>> Right. >> Right. >> Well, I was going to give an example. >> Well, I was going to give an example. >> Well, I was going to give an example. Can I can [clears throat] I give an Can I can [clears throat] I give an Can I can [clears throat] I give an example? I'm going to give an example example? I'm going to give an example example? I'm going to give an example and then actually I want you guys I'm and then actually I want you guys I'm and then actually I want you guys I'm going ask you in a second because like going ask you in a second because like going ask you in a second because like little targets I think are helpful for little targets I think are helpful for little targets I think are helpful for people. Would [clears throat] people. Would [clears throat] people. Would [clears throat] you guys just real quick give a like 30 you guys just real quick give a like 30 you guys just real quick give a like 30 I'd like each of us 30 second story a I'd like each of us 30 second story a I'd like each of us 30 second story a time in our life and was like dude I had time in our life and was like dude I had time in our life and was like dude I had to I had to I had to walk by faith in to I had to I had to walk by faith in to I had to I had to walk by faith in that moment. All right. So I'm I'm that moment. All right. So I'm I'm that moment. All right. So I'm I'm coming back to you. coming back to you. coming back to you. >> So I want to give a shout out >> So I want to give a shout out >> So I want to give a shout out >> to somebody that did what I just said. >> to somebody that did what I just said. >> to somebody that did what I just said. Okay we may this may become a segment on Okay we may this may become a segment on Okay we may this may become a segment on live free. We'll call it disciple of the live free. We'll call it disciple of the live free. We'll call it disciple of the week maybe. Okay. So week maybe. Okay. So week maybe. Okay. So >> I like it. >> I like it. >> I like it. >> Here here's here's where I'm coming. I >> Here here's here's where I'm coming. I >> Here here's here's where I'm coming. I saw this and it's like my favorite thing saw this and it's like my favorite thing saw this and it's like my favorite thing I saw. So, um, last week the most I saw. So, um, last week the most I saw. So, um, last week the most influential Christian in America, I influential Christian in America, I influential Christian in America, I don't think it was like some celebrity don't think it was like some celebrity don't think it was like some celebrity pastor or author. I think it was a pastor or author. I think it was a pastor or author. I think it was a 58-year-old weatherman in a tiny town in 58-year-old weatherman in a tiny town in 58-year-old weatherman in a tiny town in Texas. Okay, now I'm going to show you Texas. Okay, now I'm going to show you Texas. Okay, now I'm going to show you this. And dude, when I saw it was one of this. And dude, when I saw it was one of this. And dude, when I saw it was one of those makes your makes your eyes sweat. those makes your makes your eyes sweat. those makes your makes your eyes sweat. This is a guy walking by faith. Okay, so This is a guy walking by faith. Okay, so This is a guy walking by faith. Okay, so here's what's going on. I'm getting here's what's going on. I'm getting here's what's going on. I'm getting ready to show you this. Okay, what's ready to show you this. Okay, what's ready to show you this. Okay, what's going on here is there's a a couple going on here is there's a a couple going on here is there's a a couple weeks ago, we have these huge floods weeks ago, we have these huge floods weeks ago, we have these huge floods coming in in Texas. Big big deal. Okay, coming in in Texas. Big big deal. Okay, coming in in Texas. Big big deal. Okay, this dude gets on here and he's just the this dude gets on here and he's just the this dude gets on here and he's just the weatherman on his local station. Okay, weatherman on his local station. Okay, weatherman on his local station. Okay, so all this stuff's coming and but he's so all this stuff's coming and but he's so all this stuff's coming and but he's he's a Christian dude. Okay, so in the he's a Christian dude. Okay, so in the he's a Christian dude. Okay, so in the middle of this thing coming, wa watch middle of this thing coming, wa watch middle of this thing coming, wa watch what this guy does. I want you see this what this guy does. I want you see this what this guy does. I want you see this real quick.

real quick. real quick. >> Look at the time of day and there are >> Look at the time of day and there are >> Look at the time of day and there are just just just >> this is amazing. >> this is amazing. >> this is amazing. >> A lot of people that would be traveling >> A lot of people that would be traveling >> A lot of people that would be traveling in this area, traveling home for the in this area, traveling home for the in this area, traveling home for the evening, traveling to work. evening, traveling to work. evening, traveling to work. St. Headwig, China Grove, right over St. Headwig, China Grove, right over St. Headwig, China Grove, right over Highway 87, right at 1604. Highway 87, right at 1604. Highway 87, right at 1604. Number of motorists here. So Lord, I Number of motorists here. So Lord, I Number of motorists here. So Lord, I pray for protection. God, your pray for protection. God, your pray for protection. God, your sovereignty sovereignty sovereignty >> is what we lean into in moments like >> is what we lean into in moments like >> is what we lean into in moments like this. That drivers stay aware. Amen. this. That drivers stay aware. Amen. this. That drivers stay aware. Amen. Stay alert. That you give them wisdom. Stay alert. That you give them wisdom. Stay alert. That you give them wisdom. Bless these drivers with wisdom. Keep Bless these drivers with wisdom. Keep Bless these drivers with wisdom. Keep them safe. them safe. them safe. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Put angels around them of protection as >> Put angels around them of protection as >> Put angels around them of protection as they travel. they travel. they travel. >> Thank you, Lord. >> Thank you, Lord. >> Thank you, Lord. >> Wow. Wow. We just going to get you home >> Wow. Wow. We just going to get you home >> Wow. Wow. We just going to get you home safely. safely. safely. >> This will be lasting for another 30 >> This will be lasting for another 30 >> This will be lasting for another 30 minutes at least. It looks like minutes at least. It looks like minutes at least. It looks like >> that's it, dude. >> that's it, dude. >> that's it, dude. >> I love it so much. [laughter] >> I love it so much. [laughter] >> I love it so much. [laughter] >> Great. So, here's I'm watching so >> Great. So, here's I'm watching so >> Great. So, here's I'm watching so effortlessly. effortlessly. effortlessly. >> It's effortless. It was just flawless. >> It's effortless. It was just flawless. >> It's effortless. It was just flawless. And dude, I'm watching this and who And dude, I'm watching this and who And dude, I'm watching this and who wants you to That's a guy who just wants you to That's a guy who just wants you to That's a guy who just decided, you know what? decided, you know what? decided, you know what? >> I'm walking by faith.

>> I'm walking by faith. >> I'm walking by faith. >> So, it's like, dude, it's that great >> So, it's like, dude, it's that great >> So, it's like, dude, it's that great commission. commission. commission. >> People, you know, go therefore and make >> People, you know, go therefore and make >> People, you know, go therefore and make disciples and they think, oh, I got to disciples and they think, oh, I got to disciples and they think, oh, I got to go to Nigeria. No, you don't. You just go to Nigeria. No, you don't. You just go to Nigeria. No, you don't. You just got to go to work. got to go to work. got to go to work. >> Yeah. [laughter] You just got to go to >> Yeah. [laughter] You just got to go to >> Yeah. [laughter] You just got to go to work and decide I'm out on team Jesus. work and decide I'm out on team Jesus. work and decide I'm out on team Jesus. >> And all this guy did, I love it so much. >> And all this guy did, I love it so much. >> And all this guy did, I love it so much. It's like most influential. It went mega It's like most influential. It went mega It's like most influential. It went mega viral. Most influential Christian in viral. Most influential Christian in viral. Most influential Christian in America, not some conference speaker. America, not some conference speaker. America, not some conference speaker. It's a normal 58-year-old Christian It's a normal 58-year-old Christian It's a normal 58-year-old Christian disciple just going, I'm showing up disciple just going, I'm showing up disciple just going, I'm showing up today and I'm walking by faith. And you today and I'm walking by faith. And you today and I'm walking by faith. And you see it and you're like, hey man, see it and you're like, hey man, see it and you're like, hey man, >> let your light so shine before men that >> let your light so shine before men that >> let your light so shine before men that they may see your good deeds and glorify they may see your good deeds and glorify they may see your good deeds and glorify your father in heaven. That's all it your father in heaven. That's all it your father in heaven. That's all it took, man. took, man. took, man. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> That's all it took, bro. That's amazing. >> That's all it took, bro. That's amazing. >> That's all it took, bro. That's amazing. [laughter] I love it. [laughter] I love it. [laughter] I love it. >> That's amazing. Wow. >> That's amazing. Wow. >> That's amazing. Wow. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> Okay, so let's rapid fire this real >> Okay, so let's rapid fire this real >> Okay, so let's rapid fire this real quick and then I want to talk. Can a quick and then I want to talk. Can a quick and then I want to talk. Can a Christian lose their salvation? We're Christian lose their salvation? We're Christian lose their salvation? We're going to deep dive this going to deep dive this going to deep dive this >> because there's a bit of a I mean >> because there's a bit of a I mean >> because there's a bit of a I mean there's very significant theological there's very significant theological there's very significant theological tension around this. tension around this. tension around this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, we we really didn't prep >> So, you know, we we really didn't prep >> So, you know, we we really didn't prep this, but I I think like these targets this, but I I think like these targets this, but I I think like these targets give people give people give people >> handles. Yeah.

>> handles. Yeah. >> handles. Yeah. >> So, Carlos, let's start with you. Okay. >> So, Carlos, let's start with you. Okay. >> So, Carlos, let's start with you. Okay. moment in your life, you had to walk by moment in your life, you had to walk by moment in your life, you had to walk by faith. faith. faith. >> I love what you said about faith and how >> I love what you said about faith and how >> I love what you said about faith and how we, you know, you don't remember those we, you know, you don't remember those we, you know, you don't remember those that do not live by faith. We, every that do not live by faith. We, every that do not live by faith. We, every Christian is called to live by faith. Christian is called to live by faith. Christian is called to live by faith. Hebrews 11 also says that uh uh without Hebrews 11 also says that uh uh without Hebrews 11 also says that uh uh without faith it is impossible to please God. M faith it is impossible to please God. M faith it is impossible to please God. M >> so this is something I actually think >> so this is something I actually think >> so this is something I actually think about a lot in my life because uh every about a lot in my life because uh every about a lot in my life because uh every season I kind of audit my my life and season I kind of audit my my life and season I kind of audit my my life and kind of where we are we are at uh kind of where we are we are at uh kind of where we are we are at uh because uh if if it is impossible to because uh if if it is impossible to because uh if if it is impossible to please God without faith the question is please God without faith the question is please God without faith the question is what are you doing right now in your what are you doing right now in your what are you doing right now in your life that actually requires faith. I life that actually requires faith. I life that actually requires faith. I think you you you know when you kind of think you you you know when you kind of think you you you know when you kind of do some progress in your life or have do some progress in your life or have do some progress in your life or have some progress in your life, there's a some progress in your life, there's a some progress in your life, there's a point where you kind of get comfortable point where you kind of get comfortable point where you kind of get comfortable in some areas and things just kind of go in some areas and things just kind of go in some areas and things just kind of go well. Um and you're kind of comfortable. well. Um and you're kind of comfortable. well. Um and you're kind of comfortable. And so I always kind of want to ask And so I always kind of want to ask And so I always kind of want to ask myself, what are some of those areas myself, what are some of those areas myself, what are some of those areas where or what are some of those things where or what are some of those things where or what are some of those things I'm doing that require faith? Uh when I I'm doing that require faith? Uh when I I'm doing that require faith? Uh when I finished college, uh I decided to become finished college, uh I decided to become finished college, uh I decided to become a YouTuber after coming from a different a YouTuber after coming from a different a YouTuber after coming from a different country. changed the whole course country. changed the whole course country. changed the whole course because I felt God was calling me to set because I felt God was calling me to set because I felt God was calling me to set aside my plans to kind of go work at aside my plans to kind of go work at aside my plans to kind of go work at some bank and become a Christian some bank and become a Christian some bank and become a Christian YouTuber after graduating college in YouTuber after graduating college in YouTuber after graduating college in Michigan. And uh you know more Michigan. And uh you know more Michigan. And uh you know more invitations started coming in my way. I invitations started coming in my way. I invitations started coming in my way. I started teaching and preaching. My started teaching and preaching. My started teaching and preaching. My YouTube channel grew at the time. This YouTube channel grew at the time. This YouTube channel grew at the time. This is like way back in the day before like is like way back in the day before like is like way back in the day before like social media was a thing. Uh, and I had social media was a thing. Uh, and I had social media was a thing. Uh, and I had a conviction that it was so difficult to a conviction that it was so difficult to a conviction that it was so difficult to travel and fly from Grand Rapids, travel and fly from Grand Rapids, travel and fly from Grand Rapids, Michigan that I I told my wife, I think Michigan that I I told my wife, I think Michigan that I I told my wife, I think God wants me us to move somewhere where God wants me us to move somewhere where God wants me us to move somewhere where we could literally like fly in and in we could literally like fly in and in we could literally like fly in and in and out easily. Uh, and long story and out easily. Uh, and long story and out easily. Uh, and long story short, God put Dallas on our hearts. And short, God put Dallas on our hearts. And short, God put Dallas on our hearts. And the thing is, we didn't have any money

the thing is, we didn't have any money the thing is, we didn't have any money to move cuz we were like in our early to move cuz we were like in our early to move cuz we were like in our early 20s. Uh, and so I prayed. I said, "God, 20s. Uh, and so I prayed. I said, "God, 20s. Uh, and so I prayed. I said, "God, if you give me enough money for rent for if you give me enough money for rent for if you give me enough money for rent for three months, we'll figure out the three months, we'll figure out the three months, we'll figure out the rest." And literally like a week later, rest." And literally like a week later, rest." And literally like a week later, I was working on different contracts I was working on different contracts I was working on different contracts with different people. I had enough with different people. I had enough with different people. I had enough money for rent for like three months. money for rent for like three months. money for rent for like three months. And so with my wife, we said, "Hey, we And so with my wife, we said, "Hey, we And so with my wife, we said, "Hey, we don't have the rest. don't have the rest. don't have the rest. >> We don't know anybody in Dallas. We just >> We don't know anybody in Dallas. We just >> We don't know anybody in Dallas. We just need one person, need one person, need one person, >> but we will pack all of our stuff and >> but we will pack all of our stuff and >> but we will pack all of our stuff and we'll move from Michigan. We'll drive we'll move from Michigan. We'll drive we'll move from Michigan. We'll drive all the way over here." And that was all the way over here." And that was all the way over here." And that was obviously a huge step. Our our family obviously a huge step. Our our family obviously a huge step. Our our family was like, "Well, what are you doing? Who was like, "Well, what are you doing? Who was like, "Well, what are you doing? Who do you know? Why are you going there? do you know? Why are you going there? do you know? Why are you going there? Hey, we believe God's calling us there Hey, we believe God's calling us there Hey, we believe God's calling us there and we'll figure out the rest." And long and we'll figure out the rest." And long and we'll figure out the rest." And long story short, here we are 10 years later. story short, here we are 10 years later. story short, here we are 10 years later. >> I am very glad >> I am very glad >> I am very glad >> of faith. Praise the Lord. >> of faith. Praise the Lord. >> of faith. Praise the Lord. >> God's grace. Yeah. >> God's grace. Yeah. >> God's grace. Yeah. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's amazing. >> Yeah. Uh I after college lived in >> Yeah. Uh I after college lived in >> Yeah. Uh I after college lived in downtown Nashville and just God laid it downtown Nashville and just God laid it downtown Nashville and just God laid it in my heart at one point. in my heart at one point. in my heart at one point. >> Yeah. Where he's lived everywhere. >> Yeah. Where he's lived everywhere. >> Yeah. Where he's lived everywhere. Talking about 21st Avenue. Talking about 21st Avenue. Talking about 21st Avenue. We may have what years? We may have what years? We may have what years? >> Uh well it was 2006 2007. >> Uh well it was 2006 2007. >> Uh well it was 2006 2007. >> I missed you. I missed you. I missed you >> I missed you. I missed you. I missed you >> I missed you. I missed you. I missed you by one year. Go ahead. by one year. Go ahead. by one year. Go ahead. >> So I lived kind of near downtown off >> So I lived kind of near downtown off >> So I lived kind of near downtown off 21st Avenue and uh just a lot of 21st Avenue and uh just a lot of 21st Avenue and uh just a lot of homeless people were there and just God homeless people were there and just God homeless people were there and just God laid in my heart to begin just serving laid in my heart to begin just serving laid in my heart to begin just serving the homeless in my spare time. Uh but the homeless in my spare time. Uh but the homeless in my spare time. Uh but one night uh we weren't able to get one night uh we weren't able to get one night uh we weren't able to get there out there till late and it was there out there till late and it was there out there till late and it was dark, pitch dark and where a lot of them dark, pitch dark and where a lot of them dark, pitch dark and where a lot of them congregated was under this walkway kind congregated was under this walkway kind congregated was under this walkway kind of downtown by the river. You kind of of downtown by the river. You kind of of downtown by the river. You kind of know what I'm talking about.

know what I'm talking about. know what I'm talking about. >> And uh because we hadn't been able to >> And uh because we hadn't been able to >> And uh because we hadn't been able to get there until dark, it was I was a get there until dark, it was I was a get there until dark, it was I was a little nervous because there's just two little nervous because there's just two little nervous because there's just two of us and just going to go put this out of us and just going to go put this out of us and just going to go put this out there. Looking back, this is probably there. Looking back, this is probably there. Looking back, this is probably not the wisest way to do it, but God was not the wisest way to do it, but God was not the wisest way to do it, but God was with us. Thank thank the Lord. And so with us. Thank thank the Lord. And so with us. Thank thank the Lord. And so we're like, "All right, we had some we're like, "All right, we had some we're like, "All right, we had some blankets and some coats cuz it was blankets and some coats cuz it was blankets and some coats cuz it was winter." But then we knew they're under winter." But then we knew they're under winter." But then we knew they're under the bridge and where we hopped over the the bridge and where we hopped over the the bridge and where we hopped over the word death was written. Okay. word death was written. Okay. word death was written. Okay. >> So, there you go. [laughter] That >> So, there you go. [laughter] That >> So, there you go. [laughter] That escalated quick. escalated quick. escalated quick. >> There it is. >> There it is. >> There it is. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> And I was just I was nervous. I was >> And I was just I was nervous. I was >> And I was just I was nervous. I was like, h but I just felt like God was like, h but I just felt like God was like, h but I just felt like God was just lead us to it. So, I took literally just lead us to it. So, I took literally just lead us to it. So, I took literally took a step, went down there. We go down took a step, went down there. We go down took a step, went down there. We go down there and a guy is just bleeding from there and a guy is just bleeding from there and a guy is just bleeding from his face. He had just gotten his nose his face. He had just gotten his nose his face. He had just gotten his nose busted in a fight and just profusely busted in a fight and just profusely busted in a fight and just profusely bleeding. And so, like, hey dude, come bleeding. And so, like, hey dude, come bleeding. And so, like, hey dude, come with us. Uh we go up there um on the with us. Uh we go up there um on the with us. Uh we go up there um on the street and we're looking for any cop. street and we're looking for any cop. street and we're looking for any cop. And usually there's cops all the time And usually there's cops all the time And usually there's cops all the time down there. None right then. Like, hey, down there. None right then. Like, hey, down there. None right then. Like, hey, go sit down. We we'll try to find go sit down. We we'll try to find go sit down. We we'll try to find someone. Start walking on the street. someone. Start walking on the street. someone. Start walking on the street. There's another um another homeless guy There's another um another homeless guy There's another um another homeless guy named Jim Jimbo and uh he is holding his named Jim Jimbo and uh he is holding his named Jim Jimbo and uh he is holding his chest. We're like, "Jimbo, what's chest. We're like, "Jimbo, what's chest. We're like, "Jimbo, what's wrong?" He's like, "I think I'm having a wrong?" He's like, "I think I'm having a wrong?" He's like, "I think I'm having a heart attack." [laughter] heart attack." [laughter] heart attack." [laughter] >> And we're like, "Go find the guy >> And we're like, "Go find the guy >> And we're like, "Go find the guy bleeding and sit by him." And so my bleeding and sit by him." And so my bleeding and sit by him." And so my friend and I just start running down the friend and I just start running down the friend and I just start running down the street. And no cops, nothing. And we're street. And no cops, nothing. And we're street. And no cops, nothing. And we're like, "Man, of all the times." And so as like, "Man, of all the times." And so as like, "Man, of all the times." And so as we're getting to the end of the street we're getting to the end of the street we're getting to the end of the street and we're going to lose sight of the and we're going to lose sight of the and we're going to lose sight of the guys, all of a sudden I just said a guys, all of a sudden I just said a guys, all of a sudden I just said a prayer just gasping, "Lord, give us an prayer just gasping, "Lord, give us an prayer just gasping, "Lord, give us an ambulance." And we turn the corner and ambulance." And we turn the corner and ambulance." And we turn the corner and right there on the side of the road is right there on the side of the road is right there on the side of the road is an ambulance. and by the grace of God an ambulance. and by the grace of God an ambulance. and by the grace of God able to get them to the hospital and able to get them to the hospital and able to get them to the hospital and they were okay. And the point of that is they were okay. And the point of that is they were okay. And the point of that is is not to glorify us. The point of that is not to glorify us. The point of that is not to glorify us. The point of that was actually like was actually like was actually like >> I could have gone home. I could have >> I could have gone home. I could have >> I could have gone home. I could have gotten nervous and let my fear have the gotten nervous and let my fear have the gotten nervous and let my fear have the final word instead. It's like that faith final word instead. It's like that faith final word instead. It's like that faith overcame that fear. And I hope you heard overcame that fear. And I hope you heard overcame that fear. And I hope you heard me. That's why it says like, hey, me. That's why it says like, hey, me. That's why it says like, hey, sometimes when we have taken steps of

sometimes when we have taken steps of sometimes when we have taken steps of faith, you may still feel fear. You may faith, you may still feel fear. You may faith, you may still feel fear. You may still faith waver, but I took that step still faith waver, but I took that step still faith waver, but I took that step anyways and God was able to use us. anyways and God was able to use us. anyways and God was able to use us. >> Did what? Okay. What you just said is >> Did what? Okay. What you just said is >> Did what? Okay. What you just said is really important that when you take really important that when you take really important that when you take steps of faith, you may still have fear. steps of faith, you may still have fear. steps of faith, you may still have fear. I want to come back to that. That's I want to come back to that. That's I want to come back to that. That's like, dude, that's like one of the like, dude, that's like one of the like, dude, that's like one of the biggest misconceptions in sort of biggest misconceptions in sort of biggest misconceptions in sort of Christian church world Christian church world Christian church world >> is that right there. I want to come back >> is that right there. I want to come back >> is that right there. I want to come back to that. to that. to that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, man, for me, I would either go uh >> Um, man, for me, I would either go uh >> Um, man, for me, I would either go uh choosing to tie the first year we were choosing to tie the first year we were choosing to tie the first year we were married. That was I, you've heard me married. That was I, you've heard me married. That was I, you've heard me tell that story a million times with tell that story a million times with tell that story a million times with that journal I kept. I won't tell that that journal I kept. I won't tell that that journal I kept. I won't tell that again. That was a very like, okay, again. That was a very like, okay, again. That was a very like, okay, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] we're going to do, you know, um, we're going to do, you know, um, we're going to do, you know, um, honestly, dude, and now as a dad, honestly, dude, and now as a dad, honestly, dude, and now as a dad, oh, there [clears throat] we go. As a oh, there [clears throat] we go. As a oh, there [clears throat] we go. As a dad, uh, uh, this is honestly a bit of a dad, uh, uh, this is honestly a bit of a dad, uh, uh, this is honestly a bit of a confession. I did not want three kids. confession. I did not want three kids. confession. I did not want three kids. >> It was like, you know, kind of I'm just >> It was like, you know, kind of I'm just >> It was like, you know, kind of I'm just being this is a confession. This is how being this is a confession. This is how being this is a confession. This is how I thought about it I thought about it I thought about it >> when I was younger. I was like, man, >> when I was younger. I was like, man, >> when I was younger. I was like, man, honestly, we're going to have kids honestly, we're going to have kids honestly, we're going to have kids early. Well, you know, I'm just being early. Well, you know, I'm just being early. Well, you know, I'm just being honest about how I felt. this not how honest about how I felt. this not how honest about how I felt. this not how you should feel. I was like, "Well, I'm you should feel. I was like, "Well, I'm you should feel. I was like, "Well, I'm going to have kids early. We'll get it going to have kids early. We'll get it going to have kids early. We'll get it out of the way and then uh I'll get a out of the way and then uh I'll get a out of the way and then uh I'll get a I'll get a traveling. Then I'll do fun I'll get a traveling. Then I'll do fun I'll get a traveling. Then I'll do fun stuff." So, and so I'll get the kids out stuff." So, and so I'll get the kids out stuff." So, and so I'll get the kids out of the way and then the fun part of life of the way and then the fun part of life of the way and then the fun part of life will happen.

will happen. will happen. >> And Jana first, she talked, you know, >> And Jana first, she talked, you know, >> And Jana first, she talked, you know, there was like she was passionate about there was like she was passionate about there was like she was passionate about it and I wasn't we've talked about it it and I wasn't we've talked about it it and I wasn't we've talked about it before, so I'm I'm good. I was not on before, so I'm I'm good. I was not on before, so I'm I'm good. I was not on the same page. It caused honestly a lot the same page. It caused honestly a lot the same page. It caused honestly a lot of conflict for us. And then Jana got to of conflict for us. And then Jana got to of conflict for us. And then Jana got to the spot where when she she'll tell the the spot where when she she'll tell the the spot where when she she'll tell the story sometime where she she literally story sometime where she she literally story sometime where she she literally told God, "I'll never bring this up to told God, "I'll never bring this up to told God, "I'll never bring this up to Josh again. I'll only talk to you about Josh again. I'll only talk to you about Josh again. I'll only talk to you about it." Talking to God. And if you change it." Talking to God. And if you change it." Talking to God. And if you change Josh's heart, great. But I'm not going Josh's heart, great. But I'm not going Josh's heart, great. But I'm not going to try to change Josh's heart. And then to try to change Josh's heart. And then to try to change Josh's heart. And then dude, um I started she stopped. It's dude, um I started she stopped. It's dude, um I started she stopped. It's like as soon as she stopped talking to like as soon as she stopped talking to like as soon as she stopped talking to me about it, I was like, "Well, the me about it, I was like, "Well, the me about it, I was like, "Well, the Bible says that children are a blessing Bible says that children are a blessing Bible says that children are a blessing and a great all this stuff." So, I start and a great all this stuff." So, I start and a great all this stuff." So, I start thinking and the dude, no joke, uh, I thinking and the dude, no joke, uh, I thinking and the dude, no joke, uh, I walk in a gym in Spring Hill, Tennessee. walk in a gym in Spring Hill, Tennessee. walk in a gym in Spring Hill, Tennessee. To this day, I have no idea who this To this day, I have no idea who this To this day, I have no idea who this woman was. She was on the little that woman was. She was on the little that woman was. She was on the little that stairmaster thing stairmaster thing stairmaster thing >> and she, bro, this, you know, sometimes >> and she, bro, this, you know, sometimes >> and she, bro, this, you know, sometimes you read that verse about, "Hey, watch you read that verse about, "Hey, watch you read that verse about, "Hey, watch out. Sometimes you're entertaining out. Sometimes you're entertaining out. Sometimes you're entertaining angels unaware." I'm not saying that's angels unaware." I'm not saying that's angels unaware." I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying a woman I what happened. I'm just saying a woman I what happened. I'm just saying a woman I never [laughter] never [laughter] never [laughter] met before. She walked up and she was met before. She walked up and she was met before. She walked up and she was like, "Hey, uh, are you Josh Howard?" I like, "Hey, uh, are you Josh Howard?" I like, "Hey, uh, are you Josh Howard?" I was like, "Yeah." She was like, "Um, I was like, "Yeah." She was like, "Um, I was like, "Yeah." She was like, "Um, I had a dream about you and your family had a dream about you and your family had a dream about you and your family last night." I'm like, "I wanted to call last night." I'm like, "I wanted to call last night." I'm like, "I wanted to call the cops." [laughter] the cops." [laughter] the cops." [laughter] And then she, this what, bro? This is And then she, this what, bro? This is And then she, this what, bro? This is what she said. I'm in the middle of this what she said. I'm in the middle of this what she said. I'm in the middle of this damn workout place. And she says, "I had damn workout place. And she says, "I had damn workout place. And she says, "I had a dream last night that you had three a dream last night that you had three a dream last night that you had three kids and not two, kids and not two, kids and not two, and that the two first kids were girls, and that the two first kids were girls, and that the two first kids were girls, but your third was a boy." And then she but your third was a boy." And then she but your third was a boy." And then she just looks at me and goes, "Does that just looks at me and goes, "Does that just looks at me and goes, "Does that mean anything to you?" And I went, "No,

mean anything to you?" And I went, "No, mean anything to you?" And I went, "No, it doesn't mean anything. it doesn't mean anything. it doesn't mean anything. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> But like seriously, she said it. >> But like seriously, she said it. >> But like seriously, she said it. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And uh honestly, man, I remember being a >> And uh honestly, man, I remember being a >> And uh honestly, man, I remember being a young man and thinking, God, young man and thinking, God, young man and thinking, God, >> uh this is not what I think would be >> uh this is not what I think would be >> uh this is not what I think would be like most rewarding for me right now. like most rewarding for me right now. like most rewarding for me right now. But there's a lot of verses where your But there's a lot of verses where your But there's a lot of verses where your word says the children are a blessing word says the children are a blessing word says the children are a blessing and a great reward and that they'll be a and a great reward and that they'll be a and a great reward and that they'll be a heritage and and you went I literally heritage and and you went I literally heritage and and you went I literally remember thinking, I think you're remember thinking, I think you're remember thinking, I think you're telling me to walk by faith. telling me to walk by faith. telling me to walk by faith. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I did. I'll tell you right now, >> And I did. I'll tell you right now, >> And I did. I'll tell you right now, dude, the thought of not having a dude, the thought of not having a dude, the thought of not having a husband, like I I' I'd chop off both husband, like I I' I'd chop off both husband, like I I' I'd chop off both arms. [laughter] arms. [laughter] arms. [laughter] And it's just and what I, you know, I And it's just and what I, you know, I And it's just and what I, you know, I just learned like God's word is true just learned like God's word is true just learned like God's word is true >> and that exercising faith in it, you are >> and that exercising faith in it, you are >> and that exercising faith in it, you are not going to be let down. It just it not going to be let down. It just it not going to be let down. It just it just marked me, man. That's great. It just marked me, man. That's great. It just marked me, man. That's great. It marked me. marked me. marked me. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> Hey, uh let me ask you this. Let's let's >> Hey, uh let me ask you this. Let's let's >> Hey, uh let me ask you this. Let's let's talk about the uh Can you lose your talk about the uh Can you lose your talk about the uh Can you lose your salvation? salvation? salvation? Well, hey, before we get back to the Well, hey, before we get back to the Well, hey, before we get back to the episode, I want to tell you about episode, I want to tell you about episode, I want to tell you about something coming up [music] at Lake something coming up [music] at Lake something coming up [music] at Lake Point that we're really excited about Point that we're really excited about Point that we're really excited about this summer. We're hosting At the this summer. We're hosting At the this summer. 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Trinity. Trinity. >> Um this is one of the most common >> Um this is one of the most common >> Um this is one of the most common questions. It's extremely emotional for questions. It's extremely emotional for questions. It's extremely emotional for people understandably so people understandably so people understandably so >> because personal fear or maybe I had a >> because personal fear or maybe I had a >> because personal fear or maybe I had a kid that said they were a Christian, kid that said they were a Christian, kid that said they were a Christian, walked away. walked away. walked away. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> What do I think about all this stuff? So >> What do I think about all this stuff? So >> What do I think about all this stuff? So let's just start right here. I'm a Chad let's just start right here. I'm a Chad let's just start right here. I'm a Chad Gall. I want you to start right here. Um Gall. I want you to start right here. Um Gall. I want you to start right here. Um we have a we have a a belief about this. we have a we have a a belief about this. we have a we have a a belief about this. So let me just ask you straight up. Uh So let me just ask you straight up. Uh So let me just ask you straight up. Uh Chad Gib, can a Christian lose their Chad Gib, can a Christian lose their Chad Gib, can a Christian lose their salvation? salvation? salvation? >> Absolutely not. >> Absolutely not. >> Absolutely not. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> A genuine, and this is the key word, >> A genuine, and this is the key word, >> A genuine, and this is the key word, genuine Christian genuine Christian genuine Christian >> cannot lose their salvation because the >> cannot lose their salvation because the >> cannot lose their salvation because the same grace that saves us also changes same grace that saves us also changes same grace that saves us also changes and sustains us. If I am a genuine and sustains us. If I am a genuine and sustains us. If I am a genuine Christian, I have been saved from the Christian, I have been saved from the Christian, I have been saved from the penalty of my sin. I am being saved from penalty of my sin. I am being saved from penalty of my sin. I am being saved from the power of my sin, which is an ongoing the power of my sin, which is an ongoing the power of my sin, which is an ongoing things through the rest of my life. And things through the rest of my life. And things through the rest of my life. And I will be saved in the future from the I will be saved in the future from the I will be saved in the future from the presence of sin when I enter into the presence of sin when I enter into the presence of sin when I enter into the presence of Jesus and get to live with presence of Jesus and get to live with presence of Jesus and get to live with him for eternity. Yep. him for eternity. Yep. him for eternity. Yep. >> If I am a genuine Christian, I have been >> If I am a genuine Christian, I have been >> If I am a genuine Christian, I have been saved from the penalty of my sin. That's saved from the penalty of my sin. That's saved from the penalty of my sin. That's passed. That happens the second I have passed. That happens the second I have passed. That happens the second I have genuine saving faith in Jesus. In that genuine saving faith in Jesus. In that genuine saving faith in Jesus. In that second, I am declared righteous and second, I am declared righteous and second, I am declared righteous and innocent in his sight. Not because of innocent in his sight. Not because of innocent in his sight. Not because of anything I've done, because of anything I've done, because of anything I've done, because of everything that Jesus has done. Then for everything that Jesus has done. Then for everything that Jesus has done. Then for the rest of my life I am progressively the rest of my life I am progressively the rest of my life I am progressively and sometimes I fall and it's backwards and sometimes I fall and it's backwards and sometimes I fall and it's backwards and forwards but I am progressively and forwards but I am progressively and forwards but I am progressively being saved from the power of sin in my being saved from the power of sin in my being saved from the power of sin in my life. So when I get saved not all my life. So when I get saved not all my life. So when I get saved not all my problems and all my sin habits problems and all my sin habits problems and all my sin habits immediately go away. That's the work of immediately go away. That's the work of immediately go away. That's the work of the Holy Spirit to save me from the the Holy Spirit to save me from the the Holy Spirit to save me from the power of my sin for the rest of my life.

power of my sin for the rest of my life. power of my sin for the rest of my life. And then either when I die or when Jesus And then either when I die or when Jesus And then either when I die or when Jesus comes back I will be saved forever from comes back I will be saved forever from comes back I will be saved forever from the presence of every sing. understand the presence of every sing. understand the presence of every sing. understand every single Christian everywhere every single Christian everywhere every single Christian everywhere >> will 100% they cannot lose their >> will 100% they cannot lose their >> will 100% they cannot lose their salvation guaranteed heaven salvation guaranteed heaven salvation guaranteed heaven >> guaranteed. But but here's the thing is >> guaranteed. But but here's the thing is >> guaranteed. But but here's the thing is >> now I'm going to I'm going to try to >> now I'm going to I'm going to try to >> now I'm going to I'm going to try to poke holes in this poke holes in this poke holes in this >> please. In a few minutes >> please. In a few minutes >> please. In a few minutes >> and I got verses >> and I got verses >> and I got verses >> in a few minutes cuz I got verses too >> in a few minutes cuz I got verses too >> in a few minutes cuz I got verses too and I and I and I kind of I'm going to and I and I and I kind of I'm going to and I and I and I kind of I'm going to waterboard some quick ones, but then I waterboard some quick ones, but then I waterboard some quick ones, but then I do want to double click on three or four do want to double click on three or four do want to double click on three or four and just highlight some before you do and just highlight some before you do and just highlight some before you do these. Are there are there uh like these. Are there are there uh like these. Are there are there uh like official names for the two views on official names for the two views on official names for the two views on this? this? this? >> Yeah. Well, you have the you have really >> Yeah. Well, you have the you have really >> Yeah. Well, you have the you have really the idea of the historic view of the the idea of the historic view of the the idea of the historic view of the idea of you cannot lose your salvation idea of you cannot lose your salvation idea of you cannot lose your salvation is what's called the perseverance of the is what's called the perseverance of the is what's called the perseverance of the saints. saints. saints. >> Some people say eternal security, once >> Some people say eternal security, once >> Some people say eternal security, once saved, always saved, but I I like the saved, always saved, but I I like the saved, always saved, but I I like the idea of the perseverance of the saints. idea of the perseverance of the saints. idea of the perseverance of the saints. >> By the way, for our listeners, that's >> By the way, for our listeners, that's >> By the way, for our listeners, that's the P in tulip. the P in tulip. the P in tulip. >> Yes, it is. There you go. >> Yes, it is. There you go. >> Yes, it is. There you go. >> Yes, it yes, Calvinism. [laughter] >> Yes, it yes, Calvinism. [laughter] >> Yes, it yes, Calvinism. [laughter] >> Yes, it is. Although many non-calvinists >> Yes, it is. Although many non-calvinists >> Yes, it is. Although many non-calvinists also believe that. That's just not also believe that. That's just not also believe that. That's just not that's not just a Calvinist thing. that's not just a Calvinist thing. that's not just a Calvinist thing. >> Chad G. Paul C. The C stands for >> Chad G. Paul C. The C stands for >> Chad G. Paul C. The C stands for Calvinist. [laughter] Calvinist. [laughter] Calvinist. [laughter] >> That's a joke. That's a joke. That's a >> That's a joke. That's a joke. That's a >> That's a joke. That's a joke. That's a joke.

joke. joke. >> Although he is so >> Although he is so >> Although he is so we [laughter] talked about before we [laughter] talked about before we [laughter] talked about before my cover. I just I just like that we my cover. I just I just like that we my cover. I just I just like that we went ahead and went there. No. Anyways, went ahead and went there. No. Anyways, went ahead and went there. No. Anyways, [laughter] by the way, this is an [laughter] by the way, this is an [laughter] by the way, this is an [clears throat] entirely different [clears throat] entirely different [clears throat] entirely different podcast episode. We've already done podcast episode. We've already done podcast episode. We've already done this. It's going to take a pair of this. It's going to take a pair of this. It's going to take a pair of scissors to get the concept of scissors to get the concept of scissors to get the concept of predestination out of the Bible. It's predestination out of the Bible. It's predestination out of the Bible. It's just there. So, you got to deal with just there. So, you got to deal with just there. So, you got to deal with that. Different different podcast. that. Different different podcast. that. Different different podcast. >> We may even hear that word here in just >> We may even hear that word here in just >> We may even hear that word here in just a few minutes. Paul, wasn't wasn't a few minutes. Paul, wasn't wasn't a few minutes. Paul, wasn't wasn't Calvinism or the five points of Calvinism or the five points of Calvinism or the five points of Calvinism a response to Joseph's Calvinism a response to Joseph's Calvinism a response to Joseph's Arminians? Arminians? Arminians? >> Arminius Jacob Arminius. Yeah, Jacob >> Arminius Jacob Arminius. Yeah, Jacob >> Arminius Jacob Arminius. Yeah, Jacob Arminius. He basically said some stuff. Arminius. He basically said some stuff. Arminius. He basically said some stuff. I mean, the five points was basically I mean, the five points was basically I mean, the five points was basically their response in the simplest way they their response in the simplest way they their response in the simplest way they could. could. could. >> Calvinism was a response to >> Calvinism was a response to >> Calvinism was a response to >> No, no, no. Armenius responded to >> No, no, no. Armenius responded to >> No, no, no. Armenius responded to Calvin, but then he kind of came up with Calvin, but then he kind of came up with Calvin, but then he kind of came up with these five points and then their these five points and then their these five points and then their response became known as Tulip. Little response became known as Tulip. Little response became known as Tulip. Little history lesson of the day. There you go. history lesson of the day. There you go. history lesson of the day. There you go. Any So, so anyways, yeah. Perseverance Any So, so anyways, yeah. Perseverance Any So, so anyways, yeah. Perseverance saints. Uh, yeah. Okay. So the two views saints. Uh, yeah. Okay. So the two views saints. Uh, yeah. Okay. So the two views do the name the two views real quick. do the name the two views real quick. do the name the two views real quick. >> So one one would be the idea that you >> So one one would be the idea that you >> So one one would be the idea that you cannot lose your salvation. The other cannot lose your salvation. The other cannot lose your salvation. The other idea would be that you can lose your idea would be that you can lose your idea would be that you can lose your salvation. Some people as we talked salvation. Some people as we talked salvation. Some people as we talked about before would say oh well you don't about before would say oh well you don't about before would say oh well you don't lose your salvation you forfeit which to lose your salvation you forfeit which to lose your salvation you forfeit which to me is kind of a silly semantics game me is kind of a silly semantics game me is kind of a silly semantics game because if you forfeit a game you lose because if you forfeit a game you lose because if you forfeit a game you lose the [laughter] game.

the [laughter] game. the [laughter] game. >> So some silly semantics kind of a thing. >> So some silly semantics kind of a thing. >> So some silly semantics kind of a thing. Um but yeah um Um but yeah um Um but yeah um >> and so that's the idea. But here's what >> and so that's the idea. But here's what >> and so that's the idea. But here's what I would tell you. I want to go into I would tell you. I want to go into I would tell you. I want to go into scripture because I know you have some scripture because I know you have some scripture because I know you have some responses. responses. responses. Because we don't want to just believe Because we don't want to just believe Because we don't want to just believe this because it makes us feel good. We this because it makes us feel good. We this because it makes us feel good. We want to believe it because the Bible want to believe it because the Bible want to believe it because the Bible actually says so. actually says so. actually says so. >> That's the only thing that matters. >> That's the only thing that matters. >> That's the only thing that matters. >> But saying that, what we do need to >> But saying that, what we do need to >> But saying that, what we do need to know, not just with this issue, but with know, not just with this issue, but with know, not just with this issue, but with many theological issues, is that you many theological issues, is that you many theological issues, is that you really got to ask yourself, hey, what really got to ask yourself, hey, what really got to ask yourself, hey, what does what does seem to be the clear does what does seem to be the clear does what does seem to be the clear accent of scripture on a position, accent of scripture on a position, accent of scripture on a position, knowing that there might be some other knowing that there might be some other knowing that there might be some other scriptures that seem to point in an scriptures that seem to point in an scriptures that seem to point in an opposite direction. But here's a key opposite direction. But here's a key opposite direction. But here's a key thing. This is a good thing for thing. This is a good thing for thing. This is a good thing for interpreting the Bible in anything, in interpreting the Bible in anything, in interpreting the Bible in anything, in including this issue. We interpret what including this issue. We interpret what including this issue. We interpret what is confusing by what is clear, not vice is confusing by what is clear, not vice is confusing by what is clear, not vice versa. That's a really important. So, versa. That's a really important. So, versa. That's a really important. So, that being said, let me just read a few that being said, let me just read a few that being said, let me just read a few of these really quickly and then I want of these really quickly and then I want of these really quickly and then I want to double click on a couple of really to double click on a couple of really to double click on a couple of really important ones. important ones. important ones. >> So, if you're somebody who like you have >> So, if you're somebody who like you have >> So, if you're somebody who like you have previously thought, man, I actually previously thought, man, I actually previously thought, man, I actually think you can lose your salvation. These think you can lose your salvation. These think you can lose your salvation. These are the verses like, "Hey, dude, what are the verses like, "Hey, dude, what are the verses like, "Hey, dude, what are you going to do with this? What are are you going to do with this? What are are you going to do with this? What are you going to do with this?" So, go make you going to do with this?" So, go make you going to do with this?" So, go make your case. your case. your case. >> 1 Thessalonians 5, may your whole spirit >> 1 Thessalonians 5, may your whole spirit >> 1 Thessalonians 5, may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at and soul and body be kept blameless at and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful. He will who calls you is faithful. He will who calls you is faithful. He will surely do it. Not you surely have to do surely do it. Not you surely have to do surely do it. Not you surely have to do it. He will surely do it. He will it. He will surely do it. He will it. He will surely do it. He will sustain you to the end. On that note, 1 sustain you to the end. On that note, 1 sustain you to the end. On that note, 1 Corinthians 1:8-9, Christ will sustain Corinthians 1:8-9, Christ will sustain Corinthians 1:8-9, Christ will sustain you to the end.

you to the end. you to the end. >> Guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus >> Guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus >> Guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 24, he is able to keep you Christ. Jude 24, he is able to keep you Christ. Jude 24, he is able to keep you from stumbling and make you stand in the from stumbling and make you stand in the from stumbling and make you stand in the presence of his glory. Philippians 1:6, presence of his glory. Philippians 1:6, presence of his glory. Philippians 1:6, I'm confident that he who began a good I'm confident that he who began a good I'm confident that he who began a good work in you will, not might, not work in you will, not might, not work in you will, not might, not probably, but will carry it to probably, but will carry it to probably, but will carry it to completion. In Jeremiah 32:40, looking completion. In Jeremiah 32:40, looking completion. In Jeremiah 32:40, looking ahead to the new covenant of which we ahead to the new covenant of which we ahead to the new covenant of which we are apart, I will make with them an are apart, I will make with them an are apart, I will make with them an everlasting covenant, and I will put the everlasting covenant, and I will put the everlasting covenant, and I will put the fear of me in their hearts that they may fear of me in their hearts that they may fear of me in their hearts that they may not turn from me. So, those are just not turn from me. So, those are just not turn from me. So, those are just some quick hitters. some quick hitters. some quick hitters. >> Wait, do the the Are you going to keep >> Wait, do the the Are you going to keep >> Wait, do the the Are you going to keep going? I want I want I want the Romans 8 going? I want I want I want the Romans 8 going? I want I want I want the Romans 8 passage, the golden chain. passage, the golden chain. passage, the golden chain. >> I'll get there. >> I'll get there. >> I'll get there. >> Okay, good. You are Okay, you keep >> Okay, good. You are Okay, you keep >> Okay, good. You are Okay, you keep going. going. going. >> I want to do those fast just to give you >> I want to do those fast just to give you >> I want to do those fast just to give you an idea of like the three or four that an idea of like the three or four that an idea of like the three or four that we're about to more double click on. we're about to more double click on. we're about to more double click on. This is not all of them. I actually even This is not all of them. I actually even This is not all of them. I actually even just then just read you some of the just then just read you some of the just then just read you some of the other verses. trying to show that the other verses. trying to show that the other verses. trying to show that the clear accent like the focus of scripture clear accent like the focus of scripture clear accent like the focus of scripture seems to be I would say is that you seems to be I would say is that you seems to be I would say is that you cannot lose your salvation. So let's cannot lose your salvation. So let's cannot lose your salvation. So let's start with the words of Jesus and I'll start with the words of Jesus and I'll start with the words of Jesus and I'll get to Romans 8 because that's an get to Romans 8 because that's an get to Romans 8 because that's an important one. Jesus in John 6:38-40 important one. Jesus in John 6:38-40 important one. Jesus in John 6:38-40 says I have come down from heaven not to says I have come down from heaven not to says I have come down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of him who do my own will but the will of him who do my own will but the will of him who sent me and this is the will of him who sent me and this is the will of him who sent me and this is the will of him who sent me that I should lose nothing of sent me that I should lose nothing of sent me that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me.

all that he has given me. all that he has given me. >> Dude, that's a like if you're listening >> Dude, that's a like if you're listening >> Dude, that's a like if you're listening don't that don't let that one slide past don't that don't let that one slide past don't that don't let that one slide past you at all. Read that one more time you at all. Read that one more time you at all. Read that one more time because what that verse just said is I'm because what that verse just said is I'm because what that verse just said is I'm going to do his will. going to do his will. going to do his will. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> His will is that I will lose quote >> His will is that I will lose quote >> His will is that I will lose quote nothing nothing nothing >> of all that he has given me. Yeah. This >> of all that he has given me. Yeah. This >> of all that he has given me. Yeah. This is the will of him who sent me that I is the will of him who sent me that I is the will of him who sent me that I should lose nothing of all that he has should lose nothing of all that he has should lose nothing of all that he has given me but raise it up on the last given me but raise it up on the last given me but raise it up on the last day. Referring to the future future day. Referring to the future future day. Referring to the future future resurrection of believers. For this is resurrection of believers. For this is resurrection of believers. For this is the will of my father that everyone who the will of my father that everyone who the will of my father that everyone who looks on the son and believes in him not looks on the son and believes in him not looks on the son and believes in him not the way demons believe but we talked the way demons believe but we talked the way demons believe but we talked about in a saving faith kind of way about in a saving faith kind of way about in a saving faith kind of way should have eternal life. and I will should have eternal life. and I will should have eternal life. and I will raise them up on the last day. raise them up on the last day. raise them up on the last day. Definitive, not maybe definitive. Definitive, not maybe definitive. Definitive, not maybe definitive. >> What I want to point out is if you >> What I want to point out is if you >> What I want to point out is if you believe somebody can lay lose their believe somebody can lay lose their believe somebody can lay lose their salvation, you can't also believe the salvation, you can't also believe the salvation, you can't also believe the word will. No, word will. No, word will. No, >> you can't you you can believe may >> you can't you you can believe may >> you can't you you can believe may >> Yeah, there's a logical there's a >> Yeah, there's a logical there's a >> Yeah, there's a logical there's a logical chain of of like thought here. logical chain of of like thought here. logical chain of of like thought here. You believe you cannot be lost. You will You believe you cannot be lost. You will You believe you cannot be lost. You will be raised. Now, you're you're going to be raised. Now, you're you're going to be raised. Now, you're you're going to keep going these verses, but I'm going keep going these verses, but I'm going keep going these verses, but I'm going to I'm going to tease where we're going to I'm going to tease where we're going to I'm going to tease where we're going because honestly, there are three or because honestly, there are three or because honestly, there are three or four verses four verses four verses >> that are really tough to deal with if >> that are really tough to deal with if >> that are really tough to deal with if you take the position that we have that you take the position that we have that you take the position that we have that actually you can't lose your salvation.

actually you can't lose your salvation. actually you can't lose your salvation. I'm I'm going to throw those at you and I'm I'm going to throw those at you and I'm I'm going to throw those at you and they are tough, dude. they are tough, dude. they are tough, dude. >> There are there are some other tough by >> There are there are some other tough by >> There are there are some other tough by the way, we shouldn't ignore them. You the way, we shouldn't ignore them. You the way, we shouldn't ignore them. You should ignore them. Uh John 10:26-29. should ignore them. Uh John 10:26-29. should ignore them. Uh John 10:26-29. You do not believe. This is actually a You do not believe. This is actually a You do not believe. This is actually a really key part I started here because really key part I started here because really key part I started here because when people refer to this passage, they when people refer to this passage, they when people refer to this passage, they often leave this out. He's talking, often leave this out. He's talking, often leave this out. He's talking, Jesus is talking to Pharisees, teachers Jesus is talking to Pharisees, teachers Jesus is talking to Pharisees, teachers of the law. He says, "You do not of the law. He says, "You do not of the law. He says, "You do not believe." And here's why. Because you believe." And here's why. Because you believe." And here's why. Because you are not among my sheep. In other words, are not among my sheep. In other words, are not among my sheep. In other words, the reason they're not believing in the reason they're not believing in the reason they're not believing in Jesus is because they are not his sheep. Jesus is because they are not his sheep. Jesus is because they are not his sheep. And then he goes on and says, "My sheep And then he goes on and says, "My sheep And then he goes on and says, "My sheep hear my voice." And the contrast is my hear my voice." And the contrast is my hear my voice." And the contrast is my sheep do believe in me and I know them sheep do believe in me and I know them sheep do believe in me and I know them and they follow me and I give eternal and they follow me and I give eternal and they follow me and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish. life to them and they will never perish. life to them and they will never perish. >> They will never perish. And no one shall >> They will never perish. And no one shall >> They will never perish. And no one shall snatch them out of my hands. My father snatch them out of my hands. My father snatch them out of my hands. My father who has given to me is greater than all who has given to me is greater than all who has given to me is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of and no one is able to snatch them out of and no one is able to snatch them out of my hand. my hand. my hand. >> Tough to get around. No, wait. But you >> Tough to get around. No, wait. But you >> Tough to get around. No, wait. But you didn't do the one that I want. The didn't do the one that I want. The didn't do the one that I want. The >> the Romans 8. >> the Romans 8. >> the Romans 8. >> This was it. This was next. Yeah. This >> This was it. This was next. Yeah. This >> This was it. This was next. Yeah. This is such a key one. Romans 8:28 is such a key one. Romans 8:28 is such a key one. Romans 8:28 through30. We know that for those who through30. We know that for those who through30. We know that for those who love God.

love God. love God. >> Before I know I keep interrupting people >> Before I know I keep interrupting people >> Before I know I keep interrupting people hate that I see it in the comments, but hate that I see it in the comments, but hate that I see it in the comments, but let me [laughter] I just want to point let me [laughter] I just want to point let me [laughter] I just want to point this out. So what he's going to do, this out. So what he's going to do, this out. So what he's going to do, theologians have historically referred theologians have historically referred theologians have historically referred to this as the golden chain. The golden to this as the golden chain. The golden to this as the golden chain. The golden chain. And what you're going to see is chain. And what you're going to see is chain. And what you're going to see is that the logical implication is that that the logical implication is that that the logical implication is that every single link in the chain is a uh a every single link in the chain is a uh a every single link in the chain is a uh a guaranteed outcome of the previous link. guaranteed outcome of the previous link. guaranteed outcome of the previous link. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> So, and now if that doesn't make sense >> So, and now if that doesn't make sense >> So, and now if that doesn't make sense with what I just said, as he reads the with what I just said, as he reads the with what I just said, as he reads the verse, think about the logical verse, think about the logical verse, think about the logical implications of the chain. Okay? So, you implications of the chain. Okay? So, you implications of the chain. Okay? So, you you do this thing you do this thing you do this thing >> and what you'll notice is all these are >> and what you'll notice is all these are >> and what you'll notice is all these are past tense and where that is most past tense and where that is most past tense and where that is most important is the final word. Okay? Those important is the final word. Okay? Those important is the final word. Okay? Those who love God, for those who love God, who love God, for those who love God, who love God, for those who love God, all things work together for good for all things work together for good for all things work together for good for those who are called according to his those who are called according to his those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he talking about purpose. For those whom he talking about purpose. For those whom he talking about God forneew, he also predestined it to God forneew, he also predestined it to God forneew, he also predestined it to be conformed to the image of his son. be conformed to the image of his son. be conformed to the image of his son. And those whom he predestined, he also And those whom he predestined, he also And those whom he predestined, he also called. called. called. >> And those whom he called, he also >> And those whom he called, he also >> And those whom he called, he also justified. And those whom he justified, justified. And those whom he justified, justified. And those whom he justified, he also glorified. Glorification is he also glorified. Glorification is he also glorified. Glorification is really what happens when we either die really what happens when we either die really what happens when we either die or Jesus comes back and we are in that or Jesus comes back and we are in that or Jesus comes back and we are in that moment perfected. Scripture says that we moment perfected. Scripture says that we moment perfected. Scripture says that we will become like him, Jesus, for we will will become like him, Jesus, for we will will become like him, Jesus, for we will see him as he is. The thing I want to see him as he is. The thing I want to see him as he is. The thing I want to highlight there is he says it in the highlight there is he says it in the highlight there is he says it in the past tense as if it is done. And the past tense as if it is done. And the past tense as if it is done. And the context here is Paul is trying to give context here is Paul is trying to give context here is Paul is trying to give assurance to the Romans that absolutely assurance to the Romans that absolutely assurance to the Romans that absolutely nothing can separate from the love of nothing can separate from the love of nothing can separate from the love of God. And to prove his point, he said God. And to prove his point, he said God. And to prove his point, he said from the beginning of your salvation to from the beginning of your salvation to from the beginning of your salvation to the end. And he speaks of it as if it is the end. And he speaks of it as if it is the end. And he speaks of it as if it is already guaranteed and done. It is God's already guaranteed and done. It is God's already guaranteed and done. It is God's doing and it will happen. So if you say, doing and it will happen. So if you say, doing and it will happen. So if you say, "Well, you can lose your salvation."

"Well, you can lose your salvation." "Well, you can lose your salvation." Then frankly, these verses don't make Then frankly, these verses don't make Then frankly, these verses don't make any sense. any sense. any sense. >> That's right. So here and here's if this >> That's right. So here and here's if this >> That's right. So here and here's if this isn't making sense to you if you're isn't making sense to you if you're isn't making sense to you if you're listening and man what I hope begins to listening and man what I hope begins to listening and man what I hope begins to happen in the next like five minutes as happen in the next like five minutes as happen in the next like five minutes as we kind of untangle some of these verses we kind of untangle some of these verses we kind of untangle some of these verses trip people up trip people up trip people up >> is if you're a Christian honestly man >> is if you're a Christian honestly man >> is if you're a Christian honestly man you've you've lived your entire life you've you've lived your entire life you've you've lived your entire life with a fear that what if I what if I with a fear that what if I what if I with a fear that what if I what if I don't make it don't make it don't make it >> what I hope begins to happen is there's >> what I hope begins to happen is there's >> what I hope begins to happen is there's like what theologians often call a like what theologians often call a like what theologians often call a gospel assurance gospel assurance gospel assurance >> where the book of Hebrews talks about >> where the book of Hebrews talks about >> where the book of Hebrews talks about let's enter his rest and we just go you let's enter his rest and we just go you let's enter his rest and we just go you know what dude know what dude know what dude >> actually I'm laying my head on the >> actually I'm laying my head on the >> actually I'm laying my head on the pillow tonight knowing I know I'm going pillow tonight knowing I know I'm going pillow tonight knowing I know I'm going to be in heaven with Jesus for eternity. to be in heaven with Jesus for eternity. to be in heaven with Jesus for eternity. I I already know. Now, here's what I I I already know. Now, here's what I I I already know. Now, here's what I want to point this out and then I'm want to point this out and then I'm want to point this out and then I'm going to throw I'm going to throw some going to throw I'm going to throw some going to throw I'm going to throw some tough things at you and whatever you tough things at you and whatever you tough things at you and whatever you want to do, Carlos, you do. But so the want to do, Carlos, you do. But so the want to do, Carlos, you do. But so the the reason Romans 8:30 is a big deal is the reason Romans 8:30 is a big deal is the reason Romans 8:30 is a big deal is if you believe if somebody believes you if you believe if somebody believes you if you believe if somebody believes you lose your salvation, you have to believe lose your salvation, you have to believe lose your salvation, you have to believe that there are people that he forneew, that there are people that he forneew, that there are people that he forneew, predestined, called, and justified who predestined, called, and justified who predestined, called, and justified who will not be glorified. will not be glorified. will not be glorified. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There ain't no other way to read that >> There ain't no other way to read that >> There ain't no other way to read that verse.

verse. verse. >> Yeah. Exactly. If you believe, I'm going >> Yeah. Exactly. If you believe, I'm going >> Yeah. Exactly. If you believe, I'm going to say it one more time. If you believe to say it one more time. If you believe to say it one more time. If you believe that somebody can walk away from their that somebody can walk away from their that somebody can walk away from their salvation, you are forced to believe, salvation, you are forced to believe, salvation, you are forced to believe, I'm going to say it one more time, that I'm going to say it one more time, that I'm going to say it one more time, that there are people that he predestined, there are people that he predestined, there are people that he predestined, called, justified, that will not be called, justified, that will not be called, justified, that will not be glorified. glorified. glorified. >> And listen, bro, you're going, it's >> And listen, bro, you're going, it's >> And listen, bro, you're going, it's going to take a pair of scissors to get going to take a pair of scissors to get going to take a pair of scissors to get Romans 8:30 out of the Bible. It's right Romans 8:30 out of the Bible. It's right Romans 8:30 out of the Bible. It's right there. So, that's why they call it the there. So, that's why they call it the there. So, that's why they call it the golden chain. Paul's giving them a golden chain. Paul's giving them a golden chain. Paul's giving them a comfort. He's like, "Hey, man. You're comfort. He's like, "Hey, man. You're comfort. He's like, "Hey, man. You're good good good >> because God forneew you. He called you. >> because God forneew you. He called you. >> because God forneew you. He called you. He justified you. And if he did those He justified you. And if he did those He justified you. And if he did those things, guess what's going to happen? things, guess what's going to happen? things, guess what's going to happen? He's going to glorify you. He's going to glorify you. He's going to glorify you. >> As good as done. >> As good as done. >> As good as done. >> As good as done. Past tense. The the >> As good as done. Past tense. The the >> As good as done. Past tense. The the Hebrew ver the Greek verbs are literally Hebrew ver the Greek verbs are literally Hebrew ver the Greek verbs are literally in the past tense. in the past tense. in the past tense. >> Past tense. >> Past tense. >> Past tense. >> Now, but Paul, >> Now, but Paul, >> Now, but Paul, >> here [laughter] we go. >> here [laughter] we go. >> here [laughter] we go. >> Cuz I'll I'll be honest, these are >> Cuz I'll I'll be honest, these are >> Cuz I'll I'll be honest, these are tough. Go ahead and toss that first one tough. Go ahead and toss that first one tough. Go ahead and toss that first one there, Trinity. So, these are from from there, Trinity. So, these are from from there, Trinity. So, these are from from some live free listeners. some live free listeners. some live free listeners. >> So, Paul, these are these are the tough >> So, Paul, these are these are the tough >> So, Paul, these are these are the tough verses. These are the verses that lead verses. These are the verses that lead verses. These are the verses that lead and by let's just name it. Um the uh the and by let's just name it. Um the uh the and by let's just name it. Um the uh the primary denominations or streams primary denominations or streams primary denominations or streams >> that tend to believe you can lose your >> that tend to believe you can lose your >> that tend to believe you can lose your salvation. You have uh by the way and salvation. You have uh by the way and salvation. You have uh by the way and some of these are like close friends of some of these are like close friends of some of these are like close friends of mine like this is not something where mine like this is not something where mine like this is not something where it's like I don't have fellowship with it's like I don't have fellowship with it's like I don't have fellowship with you if no I got great great buddies you if no I got great great buddies you if no I got great great buddies Assemblies of God. Yep.

Assemblies of God. Yep. Assemblies of God. Yep. >> Uh Catholics. Yep. Uh who are the other >> Uh Catholics. Yep. Uh who are the other >> Uh Catholics. Yep. Uh who are the other primary ones? primary ones? primary ones? >> Uh Nazarene Church of Christ. >> Uh Nazarene Church of Christ. >> Uh Nazarene Church of Christ. Methodists. We have Wesley and Methodist Methodists. We have Wesley and Methodist Methodists. We have Wesley and Methodist tradition for sure. tradition for sure. tradition for sure. >> Anglican. Yes or no? >> Anglican. Yes or no? >> Anglican. Yes or no? >> N generally. >> N generally. >> N generally. >> Yeah. Because they're typically more >> Yeah. Because they're typically more >> Yeah. Because they're typically more >> historically not historically not. No. >> historically not historically not. No. >> historically not historically not. No. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And I will just point this out. >> Okay. And I will just point this out. >> Okay. And I will just point this out. Trinity actually I'm going to cheat. Can Trinity actually I'm going to cheat. Can Trinity actually I'm going to cheat. Can you throw that graph up there? the you throw that graph up there? the you throw that graph up there? the little graph. I will point this out, little graph. I will point this out, little graph. I will point this out, dude. And this is why this is like kind dude. And this is why this is like kind dude. And this is why this is like kind of a big deal. No, it's the uh Oh, did of a big deal. No, it's the uh Oh, did of a big deal. No, it's the uh Oh, did you not get that? you not get that? you not get that? >> The Yeah, we we saw it. The Catholic >> The Yeah, we we saw it. The Catholic >> The Yeah, we we saw it. The Catholic ones. ones. ones. >> Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Okay. I do just >> Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Okay. I do just >> Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Okay. I do just want to point this out. So, like here's want to point this out. So, like here's want to point this out. So, like here's what happens if you don't believe that what happens if you don't believe that what happens if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is holding you. According Jesus Christ is holding you. According Jesus Christ is holding you. According to the book of Jude, he is able to keep to the book of Jude, he is able to keep to the book of Jude, he is able to keep us from stumbling. us from stumbling. us from stumbling. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That no one shall snatch you out of his >> That no one shall snatch you out of his >> That no one shall snatch you out of his hand. That if he called you, he is hand. That if he called you, he is hand. That if he called you, he is definitely going to glorify you. So our definitely going to glorify you. So our definitely going to glorify you. So our Catholic brothers and sisters that we Catholic brothers and sisters that we Catholic brothers and sisters that we love but we really disagree with uh they love but we really disagree with uh they love but we really disagree with uh they don't believe that. No, don't believe that. No, don't believe that. No, >> they believe like you mentioned that >> they believe like you mentioned that >> they believe like you mentioned that salvation is more like a state that salvation is more like a state that salvation is more like a state that people sometimes flow in and out of. And people sometimes flow in and out of. And people sometimes flow in and out of. And if you die like this is rough shod if you die like this is rough shod if you die like this is rough shod language. If you die in mortal sins language. If you die in mortal sins language. If you die in mortal sins >> then you're out. That's kind of a vibe.

>> then you're out. That's kind of a vibe. >> then you're out. That's kind of a vibe. Well, guess what that results in? This Well, guess what that results in? This Well, guess what that results in? This this uh a couple months ago study showed this uh a couple months ago study showed this uh a couple months ago study showed no one is more fearful of dying than no one is more fearful of dying than no one is more fearful of dying than Catholics. literally of every religious Catholics. literally of every religious Catholics. literally of every religious belief system in by the way including belief system in by the way including belief system in by the way including atheists and agnostics. They ranked atheists and agnostics. They ranked atheists and agnostics. They ranked higher in fear of death than anyone else higher in fear of death than anyone else higher in fear of death than anyone else in America. And I just got to be honest, in America. And I just got to be honest, in America. And I just got to be honest, man. Some of it is because they they man. Some of it is because they they man. Some of it is because they they can't put their head on the pillow and can't put their head on the pillow and can't put their head on the pillow and go, "Hey, dude. If he called me, he's go, "Hey, dude. If he called me, he's go, "Hey, dude. If he called me, he's going to glorify me." going to glorify me." going to glorify me." >> That's terrifying. >> That's terrifying. >> That's terrifying. >> At the end of the day, you're just >> At the end of the day, you're just >> At the end of the day, you're just hoping you were good enough. hoping you were good enough. hoping you were good enough. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you were hoping you ended on a good >> And you were hoping you ended on a good >> And you were hoping you ended on a good note. note. note. >> Yeah. Dude, that's that that sucks. You >> Yeah. Dude, that's that that sucks. You >> Yeah. Dude, that's that that sucks. You don't have [laughter] you don't have to don't have [laughter] you don't have to don't have [laughter] you don't have to hope you were good enough to believe God hope you were good enough to believe God hope you were good enough to believe God was good enough in Jesus. All right. Let was good enough in Jesus. All right. Let was good enough in Jesus. All right. Let me throw some tough things at you. Let's me throw some tough things at you. Let's me throw some tough things at you. Let's rapid fire these as best we can. Number rapid fire these as best we can. Number rapid fire these as best we can. Number one, objection number one. But Paul, the one, objection number one. But Paul, the one, objection number one. But Paul, the parable of the sewer seems to say the parable of the sewer seems to say the parable of the sewer seems to say the opposite. opposite. opposite. >> Uh to recap, parable of the sewer is >> Uh to recap, parable of the sewer is >> Uh to recap, parable of the sewer is four seeds fall into soil. four seeds fall into soil. four seeds fall into soil. >> That it seems like they all begin to >> That it seems like they all begin to >> That it seems like they all begin to spring up. I think it even mentions that spring up. I think it even mentions that spring up. I think it even mentions that some of them begin to does it say some of them begin to does it say some of them begin to does it say believe.

believe. believe. >> Well, there's like there's some growth >> Well, there's like there's some growth >> Well, there's like there's some growth element. the plant grows but then it element. the plant grows but then it element. the plant grows but then it dies. There's a path, there's a rocky dies. There's a path, there's a rocky dies. There's a path, there's a rocky ground, there are thorns, and it's good ground, there are thorns, and it's good ground, there are thorns, and it's good soil. Those are the four the four soil. Those are the four the four soil. Those are the four the four different soils. different soils. different soils. >> So, it seems like there's four different >> So, it seems like there's four different >> So, it seems like there's four different types of people who all exercise some types of people who all exercise some types of people who all exercise some kind of faith kind of faith kind of faith >> that some actually begin to start. So, >> that some actually begin to start. So, >> that some actually begin to start. So, there's growth. It seems like there's there's growth. It seems like there's there's growth. It seems like there's some kind of some kind of growth. So, some kind of some kind of growth. So, some kind of some kind of growth. So, Paul, it seems like there's some sort of Paul, it seems like there's some sort of Paul, it seems like there's some sort of spiritual growth, spiritual growth, spiritual growth, >> but then they fall away. It specifically >> but then they fall away. It specifically >> but then they fall away. It specifically says fall away. What say you, Paul? says fall away. What say you, Paul? says fall away. What say you, Paul? >> Yeah, a few things there. I mean, one is >> Yeah, a few things there. I mean, one is >> Yeah, a few things there. I mean, one is is you have to assume that, hey, man, is you have to assume that, hey, man, is you have to assume that, hey, man, all these people were saved. You don't all these people were saved. You don't all these people were saved. You don't have to assume that that they could show have to assume that that they could show have to assume that that they could show signs of what seems like salvation but signs of what seems like salvation but signs of what seems like salvation but actually isn't genuine salvation. We'll actually isn't genuine salvation. We'll actually isn't genuine salvation. We'll get to this here in a little bit when we get to this here in a little bit when we get to this here in a little bit when we talk about Matthew 7 where you get the talk about Matthew 7 where you get the talk about Matthew 7 where you get the idea there's people who thought they idea there's people who thought they idea there's people who thought they were saved and they talked about being a were saved and they talked about being a were saved and they talked about being a part of miracles and all these things part of miracles and all these things part of miracles and all these things and Jesus says who are you like I don't and Jesus says who are you like I don't and Jesus says who are you like I don't I don't know who you are and so man I don't know who you are and so man I don't know who you are and so man there can be people that we got to there can be people that we got to there can be people that we got to remember that are in our churches who it remember that are in our churches who it remember that are in our churches who it seems like they have may have some marks seems like they have may have some marks seems like they have may have some marks of salvation at least for a moment but of salvation at least for a moment but of salvation at least for a moment but then they do fall away or they wander then they do fall away or they wander then they do fall away or they wander off or something like that. So I would off or something like that. So I would off or something like that. So I would say we cannot assume that everyone here say we cannot assume that everyone here say we cannot assume that everyone here is saved. I mean, literally the first is saved. I mean, literally the first is saved. I mean, literally the first one is the devil comes and takes away one is the devil comes and takes away one is the devil comes and takes away the word from heart so they may not the word from heart so they may not the word from heart so they may not believe and be saved.

believe and be saved. believe and be saved. >> There you have it. >> There you have it. >> There you have it. >> And so you can't say they're all >> And so you can't say they're all >> And so you can't say they're all automatically saved. Instead, what you automatically saved. Instead, what you automatically saved. Instead, what you see is, and I love the I love what Luke see is, and I love the I love what Luke see is, and I love the I love what Luke says here in his telling of this. He says here in his telling of this. He says here in his telling of this. He says that those that as for the good says that those that as for the good says that those that as for the good soil, they are those who hearing the soil, they are those who hearing the soil, they are those who hearing the word hold it fast in an honest and good word hold it fast in an honest and good word hold it fast in an honest and good heart and bear fruit with patience. Or heart and bear fruit with patience. Or heart and bear fruit with patience. Or the word could be with perseverance. the word could be with perseverance. the word could be with perseverance. with perseverance. And all throughout with perseverance. And all throughout with perseverance. And all throughout the gospels, really all throughout the the gospels, really all throughout the the gospels, really all throughout the Bible, you see this idea that the nature Bible, you see this idea that the nature Bible, you see this idea that the nature of your heart determines what comes out of your heart determines what comes out of your heart determines what comes out of it. And so in this and so the idea is of it. And so in this and so the idea is of it. And so in this and so the idea is like um if you have a good heart, like um if you have a good heart, like um if you have a good heart, meaning a good heart, not because you're meaning a good heart, not because you're meaning a good heart, not because you're a good person, but because you have a a good person, but because you have a a good person, but because you have a believing heart, good stuff's going to believing heart, good stuff's going to believing heart, good stuff's going to come out of that. Conversely, you can come out of that. Conversely, you can come out of that. Conversely, you can also tell people by the bad stuff that also tell people by the bad stuff that also tell people by the bad stuff that comes out of them. And that's what I comes out of them. And that's what I comes out of them. And that's what I would say here is that we're basically would say here is that we're basically would say here is that we're basically showing here is not that they're all showing here is not that they're all showing here is not that they're all believers, but the fourth one, because believers, but the fourth one, because believers, but the fourth one, because they persevere, shows himself to be the they persevere, shows himself to be the they persevere, shows himself to be the believer. You'll see a theme in many of believer. You'll see a theme in many of believer. You'll see a theme in many of these verses that what what the Bible is these verses that what what the Bible is these verses that what what the Bible is definitely acknowledging definitely acknowledging definitely acknowledging >> is there will be people who from a human >> is there will be people who from a human >> is there will be people who from a human perspective, an inf a fallible human perspective, an inf a fallible human perspective, an inf a fallible human perspective appear to evidence perspective appear to evidence perspective appear to evidence salvation.

salvation. salvation. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> But that the Bible shows us we're not >> But that the Bible shows us we're not >> But that the Bible shows us we're not actually in the spiritual realm saved. actually in the spiritual realm saved. actually in the spiritual realm saved. Is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying? >> Exactly. I wrote I wrote this like >> Exactly. I wrote I wrote this like >> Exactly. I wrote I wrote this like because we'll get to Hebrews here in because we'll get to Hebrews here in because we'll get to Hebrews here in probably next or in a few minutes. probably next or in a few minutes. probably next or in a few minutes. Hebrews 3:14 is actually really crucial. Hebrews 3:14 is actually really crucial. Hebrews 3:14 is actually really crucial. We have come to share in Christ. That's We have come to share in Christ. That's We have come to share in Christ. That's past tense. That's past tense. It's past tense. That's past tense. It's past tense. That's past tense. It's already happened in the past. If indeed already happened in the past. If indeed already happened in the past. If indeed we hold our original confidence firm to we hold our original confidence firm to we hold our original confidence firm to the end. If we persevere, it is a sign the end. If we persevere, it is a sign the end. If we persevere, it is a sign that we have already that we have already that we have already >> but wouldn't loss of salvation. People >> but wouldn't loss of salvation. People >> but wouldn't loss of salvation. People say, "Bro, you just proved my point. say, "Bro, you just proved my point. say, "Bro, you just proved my point. >> You're only finally saved if you stay on >> You're only finally saved if you stay on >> You're only finally saved if you stay on the faith path the whole time." the faith path the whole time." the faith path the whole time." >> If that that's the point is if we have >> If that that's the point is if we have >> If that that's the point is if we have come to share in Christ, the have come come to share in Christ, the have come come to share in Christ, the have come to share, it's past tense. It's already to share, it's past tense. It's already to share, it's past tense. It's already happened. People historically that happened. People historically that happened. People historically that believe in perseverance with those believe in perseverance with those believe in perseverance with those things would say you do have to things would say you do have to things would say you do have to persevere. It's just not on you. It's persevere. It's just not on you. It's persevere. It's just not on you. It's God who is going to keep you with him. God who is going to keep you with him. God who is going to keep you with him. He's the one who is holding on to you. He's the one who is holding on to you. He's the one who is holding on to you. >> He's the one who's holding on to you. So >> He's the one who's holding on to you. So >> He's the one who's holding on to you. So that's about that's about that's about >> All right. Here we go. Number two. Let's >> All right. Here we go. Number two. Let's >> All right. Here we go. Number two. Let's see this one. Okay. So then Paul, what see this one. Okay. So then Paul, what see this one. Okay. So then Paul, what does Revelation 3:5? Let me Carlos, keep does Revelation 3:5? Let me Carlos, keep does Revelation 3:5? Let me Carlos, keep pull that verse. I want to read it. pull that verse. I want to read it. pull that verse. I want to read it. Yeah. Revelation 3:5.

Yeah. Revelation 3:5. Yeah. Revelation 3:5. >> What does Revelation 3:5 mean regarding >> What does Revelation 3:5 mean regarding >> What does Revelation 3:5 mean regarding these people's names will it's it seems these people's names will it's it seems these people's names will it's it seems to say will be blotted out. Can you read to say will be blotted out. Can you read to say will be blotted out. Can you read it, Carlos? it, Carlos? it, Carlos? >> Yes. Uh, the one who is victorious will >> Yes. Uh, the one who is victorious will >> Yes. Uh, the one who is victorious will like them be dressed in white. I will like them be dressed in white. I will like them be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person never blot out the name of that person never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will from the book of life, but will from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my father acknowledge that name before my father acknowledge that name before my father and his angels. and his angels. and his angels. >> So, Paul, it says some people's names >> So, Paul, it says some people's names >> So, Paul, it says some people's names could be blotted out from the book of could be blotted out from the book of could be blotted out from the book of life. life. life. >> My my my gracious response is no, it >> My my my gracious response is no, it >> My my my gracious response is no, it does not. does not. does not. >> Boom. Boom. People miss [laughter] this. >> Boom. Boom. People miss [laughter] this. >> Boom. Boom. People miss [laughter] this. >> People miss this. >> People miss this. >> People miss this. >> Revelation 3 5 is a promise to >> Revelation 3 5 is a promise to >> Revelation 3 5 is a promise to believers, not a threat to believers. believers, not a threat to believers. believers, not a threat to believers. >> There you go. Yeah. Because also in the >> There you go. Yeah. Because also in the >> There you go. Yeah. Because also in the book of revelation, it talks about how book of revelation, it talks about how book of revelation, it talks about how our names were written in the book of our names were written in the book of our names were written in the book of life from before the foundation of the life from before the foundation of the life from before the foundation of the world in the book of the lamb who was world in the book of the lamb who was world in the book of the lamb who was slain. slain. slain. >> And so God is known for all time who >> And so God is known for all time who >> And so God is known for all time who would be saved. would be saved. would be saved. >> You know what's interesting too? So this >> You know what's interesting too? So this >> You know what's interesting too? So this is the church in Sardis again it talks is the church in Sardis again it talks is the church in Sardis again it talks about how some people had fake faith but about how some people had fake faith but about how some people had fake faith but then it says that there's a few that are then it says that there's a few that are then it says that there's a few that are faithful and then right before he says I faithful and then right before he says I faithful and then right before he says I will never blot out the name of that will never blot out the name of that will never blot out the name of that person. He says um I will be dressing person. He says um I will be dressing person. He says um I will be dressing them in white.

them in white. them in white. >> So there's an element of like hey I'm >> So there's an element of like hey I'm >> So there's an element of like hey I'm the one who's going to clothe you uh the one who's going to clothe you uh the one who's going to clothe you uh with white. White means purity, victory, with white. White means purity, victory, with white. White means purity, victory, power. And so again, it's a result of power. And so again, it's a result of power. And so again, it's a result of that. And he literally it's a promise. I that. And he literally it's a promise. I that. And he literally it's a promise. I will never blood out and I will will never blood out and I will will never blood out and I will acknowledge your name before my father. acknowledge your name before my father. acknowledge your name before my father. >> Yeah. This this is this is like that >> Yeah. This this is this is like that >> Yeah. This this is this is like that that's a little slight of hand. It's that's a little slight of hand. It's that's a little slight of hand. It's what you said at the beginning. The pro what you said at the beginning. The pro what you said at the beginning. The pro this verse is a promise to give a this verse is a promise to give a this verse is a promise to give a comfort to people whose names will never comfort to people whose names will never comfort to people whose names will never In other words, he's going, "Hey man, In other words, he's going, "Hey man, In other words, he's going, "Hey man, here's the best way to read it. I don't here's the best way to read it. I don't here's the best way to read it. I don't blot names out." blot names out." blot names out." >> No. >> No. >> No. >> That's the whole vibe. I don't blot >> That's the whole vibe. I don't blot >> That's the whole vibe. I don't blot names out. In fact, if you go back and names out. In fact, if you go back and names out. In fact, if you go back and read Revelation 13:8 and 17:8, it read Revelation 13:8 and 17:8, it read Revelation 13:8 and 17:8, it specifically states that the redeemed, specifically states that the redeemed, specifically states that the redeemed, their names were written in the book of their names were written in the book of their names were written in the book of uh the lamb, quote, before the uh the lamb, quote, before the uh the lamb, quote, before the foundation of the world. foundation of the world. foundation of the world. >> So, the whole emphasis is I ain't a name >> So, the whole emphasis is I ain't a name >> So, the whole emphasis is I ain't a name blott. That's the vibe. Okay, let's do blott. That's the vibe. Okay, let's do blott. That's the vibe. Okay, let's do another one. Uh, next one. This is the another one. Uh, next one. This is the another one. Uh, next one. This is the tough I'll be honest. This is the tough I'll be honest. This is the tough I'll be honest. This is the toughest one. [laughter] toughest one. [laughter] toughest one. [laughter] >> It is this toughest one. I'm going to >> It is this toughest one. I'm going to >> It is this toughest one. I'm going to read it. All right. This is like the read it. All right. This is like the read it. All right. This is like the lynch pin, Paul. Let's It seems like you lynch pin, Paul. Let's It seems like you lynch pin, Paul. Let's It seems like you lose your salvation. Seems like that lose your salvation. Seems like that lose your salvation. Seems like that what they said. This is Hebrews 10:26.

what they said. This is Hebrews 10:26. what they said. This is Hebrews 10:26. She said, "Hebs 10:26. I've always She said, "Hebs 10:26. I've always She said, "Hebs 10:26. I've always wondered about this. Gosh, I hope you wondered about this. Gosh, I hope you wondered about this. Gosh, I hope you see this." We did. Okay. So, uh I'm just see this." We did. Okay. So, uh I'm just see this." We did. Okay. So, uh I'm just going to read this, Paul, and I want you going to read this, Paul, and I want you going to read this, Paul, and I want you to take it. Here we go. to take it. Here we go. to take it. Here we go. For if we go on sinning deliberately For if we go on sinning deliberately For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the after receiving the knowledge of the after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a truth, there no longer remains a truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful sacrifice for sins, but a fearful sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of expectation of judgment and a fury of expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. fire that will consume the adversaries. fire that will consume the adversaries. >> Okay. Uh Paul, [snorts] uh what do what >> Okay. Uh Paul, [snorts] uh what do what >> Okay. Uh Paul, [snorts] uh what do what do we do with Actually, there's that one do we do with Actually, there's that one do we do with Actually, there's that one and then there's also the Hebrews 6. and then there's also the Hebrews 6. and then there's also the Hebrews 6. See, I was actually Hebrews. Let's do See, I was actually Hebrews. Let's do See, I was actually Hebrews. Let's do both because you got to deal with all both because you got to deal with all both because you got to deal with all these themes throughout Hebrews at one these themes throughout Hebrews at one these themes throughout Hebrews at one time. I think that's a great time. I think that's a great time. I think that's a great >> Where's the Hebrews 6 passage? >> Where's the Hebrews 6 passage? >> Where's the Hebrews 6 passage? >> Hebrews 6 verse four. >> Hebrews 6 verse four. >> Hebrews 6 verse four. >> 4. Okay. Now, so this dovetales. >> 4. Okay. Now, so this dovetales. >> 4. Okay. Now, so this dovetales. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh Hebrews 6:4. For it is >> Okay. Uh Hebrews 6:4. For it is >> Okay. Uh Hebrews 6:4. For it is impossible to restore again to impossible to restore again to impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been repentance those who have once been repentance those who have once been enlightened, enlightened, enlightened, >> who have tasted the heavenly gift, who >> who have tasted the heavenly gift, who >> who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit and have have shared in the Holy Spirit and have have shared in the Holy Spirit and have tasted the goodness of the word of God tasted the goodness of the word of God tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come. If and the powers of the age to come. If and the powers of the age to come. If they then fall away since they are they then fall away since they are they then fall away since they are crucifying once again the son of God to crucifying once again the son of God to crucifying once again the son of God to their own harm and holding him up to their own harm and holding him up to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. Now, Paul, that seems to be contempt. Now, Paul, that seems to be contempt. Now, Paul, that seems to be saying there will be people that saying there will be people that saying there will be people that repented, were enlightened, shared in repented, were enlightened, shared in repented, were enlightened, shared in the Holy Spirit, tasted the goodness of the Holy Spirit, tasted the goodness of the Holy Spirit, tasted the goodness of the word of God, and the powers of the the word of God, and the powers of the the word of God, and the powers of the age to come that then fall away and are age to come that then fall away and are age to come that then fall away and are not saved.

not saved. not saved. >> I'm going to need a few minutes to cook >> I'm going to need a few minutes to cook >> I'm going to need a few minutes to cook on this one. Just a few minutes because on this one. Just a few minutes because on this one. Just a few minutes because this [laughter] is a tricky passage. And this [laughter] is a tricky passage. And this [laughter] is a tricky passage. And and by the way, actually, before I jump and by the way, actually, before I jump and by the way, actually, before I jump in, I would say we need to take these in, I would say we need to take these in, I would say we need to take these warnings seriously, but I would say we warnings seriously, but I would say we warnings seriously, but I would say we need to take them seriously for the need to take them seriously for the need to take them seriously for the right people in the church. Um, but right people in the church. Um, but right people in the church. Um, but we'll get back to that here in a second. we'll get back to that here in a second. we'll get back to that here in a second. But we do need to take these seriously. But we do need to take these seriously. But we do need to take these seriously. We shouldn't just write them off. A few We shouldn't just write them off. A few We shouldn't just write them off. A few things with with Hebrews. Um, and I was things with with Hebrews. Um, and I was things with with Hebrews. Um, and I was actually start with this verse, although actually start with this verse, although actually start with this verse, although I would apply later to chapter 10 as I would apply later to chapter 10 as I would apply later to chapter 10 as well. Let's recognize that if this well. Let's recognize that if this well. Let's recognize that if this warning is spoken to genuine saved warning is spoken to genuine saved warning is spoken to genuine saved Christians, then not only is it possible Christians, then not only is it possible Christians, then not only is it possible to lose your salvation, you can never to lose your salvation, you can never to lose your salvation, you can never get it back. get it back. get it back. >> This is really important >> This is really important >> This is really important >> because often when I talk to people >> because often when I talk to people >> because often when I talk to people about this thing and they think, "No, about this thing and they think, "No, about this thing and they think, "No, you can lose your salvation." And then I you can lose your salvation." And then I you can lose your salvation." And then I often ask them, "So, you think you can often ask them, "So, you think you can often ask them, "So, you think you can get back to a T?" They're like, "Well, get back to a T?" They're like, "Well, get back to a T?" They're like, "Well, of course, Mike, if you believe Hebrews of course, Mike, if you believe Hebrews of course, Mike, if you believe Hebrews 6 is saying this, this is saying you can 6 is saying this, this is saying you can 6 is saying this, this is saying you can never get it back. never get it back. never get it back. >> Sorry, bro. You had your chance and you >> Sorry, bro. You had your chance and you >> Sorry, bro. You had your chance and you blew it." blew it." blew it." >> In fact, I'll just read it again. It is >> In fact, I'll just read it again. It is >> In fact, I'll just read it again. It is impossible to restore again to impossible to restore again to impossible to restore again to repentance. repentance. repentance. >> Yeah. And so, that's just number one. I >> Yeah. And so, that's just number one. I >> Yeah. And so, that's just number one. I I just want to just point that out. I just want to just point that out. I just want to just point that out. Number two, and I just go and say two or Number two, and I just go and say two or Number two, and I just go and say two or three. We need to remember the context three. We need to remember the context three. We need to remember the context and then we also need to look more and then we also need to look more and then we also need to look more deeply at the content. We need to deeply at the content. We need to deeply at the content. We need to remember the context of Hebrews and then remember the context of Hebrews and then remember the context of Hebrews and then look more deeply at the content of look more deeply at the content of look more deeply at the content of Hebrews, specifically Hebrews 6. So the Hebrews, specifically Hebrews 6. So the Hebrews, specifically Hebrews 6. So the context the writer of Hebrews is writing context the writer of Hebrews is writing context the writer of Hebrews is writing to a church to a group of people. When to a church to a group of people. When to a church to a group of people. When we read this and it says you, we often we read this and it says you, we often we read this and it says you, we often read it as you sing. He's talking to a read it as you sing. He's talking to a read it as you sing. He's talking to a group of people. Now in any church, not group of people. Now in any church, not group of people. Now in any church, not just a church then, but even a church just a church then, but even a church just a church then, but even a church now. And this might sound rude to now. And this might sound rude to now. And this might sound rude to people. It's just reality. Is every people. It's just reality. Is every people. It's just reality. Is every single person who attends Lake Point single person who attends Lake Point single person who attends Lake Point Church saved?

Church saved? Church saved? >> No, they're not. >> No, they're not. >> No, they're not. >> No, they're not. >> No, they're not. >> No, they're not. >> They're not. >> They're not. >> They're not. >> They're not. There's many. And this is >> They're not. There's many. And this is >> They're not. There's many. And this is true of every It's not just Lake of true of every It's not just Lake of true of every It's not just Lake of every church ever in existence. You have every church ever in existence. You have every church ever in existence. You have people that are both believers and people that are both believers and people that are both believers and unbelievers. And by the way, Jesus said unbelievers. And by the way, Jesus said unbelievers. And by the way, Jesus said that this would happen. That this would that this would happen. That this would that this would happen. That this would happen. By the way, it was true of his happen. By the way, it was true of his happen. By the way, it was true of his disciples. One thing I thought of later, disciples. One thing I thought of later, disciples. One thing I thought of later, I'm not going to backtrack and give a I'm not going to backtrack and give a I'm not going to backtrack and give a better answer now, but the parable of better answer now, but the parable of better answer now, but the parable of the sewer, that proves true in Jesus's the sewer, that proves true in Jesus's the sewer, that proves true in Jesus's ministry. That's right. There's people ministry. That's right. There's people ministry. That's right. There's people who persevere to the end, there's people who persevere to the end, there's people who persevere to the end, there's people who when trouble comes, they leave. And who when trouble comes, they leave. And who when trouble comes, they leave. And then you got Judas ultimately betrayed. then you got Judas ultimately betrayed. then you got Judas ultimately betrayed. So, it proves true in his own ministry. So, it proves true in his own ministry. So, it proves true in his own ministry. So, we got to remember that when he is So, we got to remember that when he is So, we got to remember that when he is speaking, he is assuming that you have speaking, he is assuming that you have speaking, he is assuming that you have people in this church that are true people in this church that are true people in this church that are true believers and those who are not true believers and those who are not true believers and those who are not true believers. And the context also is that believers. And the context also is that believers. And the context also is that they are firsting facing persecution and they are firsting facing persecution and they are firsting facing persecution and they're being tempted these are Jewish they're being tempted these are Jewish they're being tempted these are Jewish believers to go back to Judaism to believers to go back to Judaism to believers to go back to Judaism to basically say actually we're going to go basically say actually we're going to go basically say actually we're going to go back to the sacrifices. We're going to back to the sacrifices. We're going to back to the sacrifices. We're going to go back to all these things because go back to all these things because go back to all these things because Jesus actually was enough and we no Jesus actually was enough and we no Jesus actually was enough and we no longer believe. Okay. So we got to longer believe. Okay. So we got to longer believe. Okay. So we got to remember that. And so when he's speaking remember that. And so when he's speaking remember that. And so when he's speaking this if you if you read this is as if this if you if you read this is as if this if you if you read this is as if he's speaking to Christians man oh crap he's speaking to Christians man oh crap he's speaking to Christians man oh crap we could lose our salvation and we'll we could lose our salvation and we'll we could lose our salvation and we'll never get it back. But if you read this never get it back. But if you read this never get it back. But if you read this with the assumption that there's with the assumption that there's with the assumption that there's actually some people in here that actually some people in here that actually some people in here that actually don't believe, all of a sudden actually don't believe, all of a sudden actually don't believe, all of a sudden it makes sense. He says, "Hey, if you it makes sense. He says, "Hey, if you it makes sense. He says, "Hey, if you abandon Jesus, abandon Jesus, abandon Jesus, >> when you say don't believe, are you >> when you say don't believe, are you >> when you say don't believe, are you talking about people who like have a a talking about people who like have a a talking about people who like have a a non-salvific faith?" Like we talked non-salvific faith?" Like we talked non-salvific faith?" Like we talked about earlier non salvific.

about earlier non salvific. about earlier non salvific. >> So what he's what you're talking about >> So what he's what you're talking about >> So what he's what you're talking about there is the difference there is the there is the difference there is the there is the difference there is the theological distinction is between the theological distinction is between the theological distinction is between the visible church and the invisible church. visible church and the invisible church. visible church and the invisible church. Exactly. And that this is really Exactly. And that this is really Exactly. And that this is really important because this is going to shed important because this is going to shed important because this is going to shed light on everything you're about to say light on everything you're about to say light on everything you're about to say that in every that when somebody walks that in every that when somebody walks that in every that when somebody walks into any church, what you're looking at into any church, what you're looking at into any church, what you're looking at is the visible church. is the visible church. is the visible church. >> I what is visible to me is the church >> I what is visible to me is the church >> I what is visible to me is the church gathered. But then the Bible gathered. But then the Bible gathered. But then the Bible consistently shows us, hey man, from a consistently shows us, hey man, from a consistently shows us, hey man, from a supernatural and spiritual perspective, supernatural and spiritual perspective, supernatural and spiritual perspective, not everybody that's gathered visibly not everybody that's gathered visibly not everybody that's gathered visibly with the church is invisibly eternally with the church is invisibly eternally with the church is invisibly eternally saved because only God knows the heart saved because only God knows the heart saved because only God knows the heart and knows which people in the visible and knows which people in the visible and knows which people in the visible church are also actually regenerate church are also actually regenerate church are also actually regenerate believers that are part of the invisible believers that are part of the invisible believers that are part of the invisible church that will fully and finally be church that will fully and finally be church that will fully and finally be saved. So this is what this is what saved. So this is what this is what saved. So this is what this is what you're saying, right? And I was actually you're saying, right? And I was actually you're saying, right? And I was actually about to you I think to understand about to you I think to understand about to you I think to understand Hebrews 6:1 and10 you got to go back to Hebrews 6:1 and10 you got to go back to Hebrews 6:1 and10 you got to go back to Hebrews chapter 3. Take care brothers Hebrews chapter 3. Take care brothers Hebrews chapter 3. Take care brothers lest there be in any of you in the lest there be in any of you in the lest there be in any of you in the original language that's plural. An evil original language that's plural. An evil original language that's plural. An evil and unbelieving heart. That's singular. and unbelieving heart. That's singular. and unbelieving heart. That's singular. >> Wait, say that one more time. >> Wait, say that one more time. >> Wait, say that one more time. >> Take care brothers less there being any >> Take care brothers less there being any >> Take care brothers less there being any of you. Plural. He's speaking to of you. Plural. He's speaking to of you. Plural. He's speaking to everybody. An evil unbelieving heart.

everybody. An evil unbelieving heart. everybody. An evil unbelieving heart. Singular. Singular. Singular. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And I love that your point when I point >> And I love that your point when I point >> And I love that your point when I point out to you about the idea that their out to you about the idea that their out to you about the idea that their hearts that's the idea. But evil hearts that's the idea. But evil hearts that's the idea. But evil unbelieving heart I can't think of unbelieving heart I can't think of unbelieving heart I can't think of anywhere else in scripture that's anywhere else in scripture that's anywhere else in scripture that's described as a believer. described as a believer. described as a believer. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> So what you're saying are you still >> So what you're saying are you still >> So what you're saying are you still cooking? cooking? cooking? >> Okay. Just real fast that leading you to >> Okay. Just real fast that leading you to >> Okay. Just real fast that leading you to fall away from the living God. For we fall away from the living God. For we fall away from the living God. For we have come to share in Christ if we have come to share in Christ if we have come to share in Christ if we indeed hold original confidence to the indeed hold original confidence to the indeed hold original confidence to the end. But then he goes on verse 15. Today end. But then he goes on verse 15. Today end. But then he goes on verse 15. Today if you hear his voice do not harden your if you hear his voice do not harden your if you hear his voice do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion. For who were hearts as in the rebellion. For who were hearts as in the rebellion. For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by not all those who left Egypt led by not all those who left Egypt led by Moses? 18. To whom did he swear that Moses? 18. To whom did he swear that Moses? 18. To whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest? But to they would not enter his rest? But to they would not enter his rest? But to those who were dis disobedient. So we those who were dis disobedient. So we those who were dis disobedient. So we see that they were unable to enter see that they were unable to enter see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief. Real quick, let me because of unbelief. Real quick, let me because of unbelief. Real quick, let me tease this out. He is saying that you tease this out. He is saying that you tease this out. He is saying that you had this massive group of people who had this massive group of people who had this massive group of people who they saw the plagues and they saw they saw the plagues and they saw they saw the plagues and they saw Passover and they saw the Red Sea, but Passover and they saw the Red Sea, but Passover and they saw the Red Sea, but some in there actually didn't truly have some in there actually didn't truly have some in there actually didn't truly have salvific faith. They were all part of salvific faith. They were all part of salvific faith. They were all part of the same group, but they were not all the same group, but they were not all the same group, but they were not all saved just because they were part of the saved just because they were part of the saved just because they were part of the group. So so much I believe as Hebrews group. So so much I believe as Hebrews group. So so much I believe as Hebrews is about them saying, "Hey, you're all is about them saying, "Hey, you're all is about them saying, "Hey, you're all part of the same church. Don't assume part of the same church. Don't assume part of the same church. Don't assume that just because you're in the church that just because you're in the church that just because you're in the church that you're in the kingdom."

that you're in the kingdom." that you're in the kingdom." >> Just Yeah. Don't assume just because >> Just Yeah. Don't assume just because >> Just Yeah. Don't assume just because you're part of the visible church you're part of the visible church you're part of the visible church Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> that you're automatically part of the >> that you're automatically part of the >> that you're automatically part of the invisible church. invisible church. invisible church. >> Don't I'll do this next part real fast >> Don't I'll do this next part real fast >> Don't I'll do this next part real fast because we had to give the context, but because we had to give the context, but because we had to give the context, but I think it's so important to actually do I think it's so important to actually do I think it's so important to actually do that and to look more closely at these that and to look more closely at these that and to look more closely at these passages. Okay. If you look at the passages. Okay. If you look at the passages. Okay. If you look at the content of Hebrews 6, like it at first content of Hebrews 6, like it at first content of Hebrews 6, like it at first does on first blush seem like, "Oh man, does on first blush seem like, "Oh man, does on first blush seem like, "Oh man, these people are definitely saved." But these people are definitely saved." But these people are definitely saved." But let's just read this again and think of let's just read this again and think of let's just read this again and think of it a different way. who have once been it a different way. who have once been it a different way. who have once been enlightened. Maybe that just means that enlightened. Maybe that just means that enlightened. Maybe that just means that they've actually heard the truth of the they've actually heard the truth of the they've actually heard the truth of the gospel, who have tasted the heavenly gospel, who have tasted the heavenly gospel, who have tasted the heavenly gift. Many commentators believe that gift. Many commentators believe that gift. Many commentators believe that that is communion, the Eucharist. Who that is communion, the Eucharist. Who that is communion, the Eucharist. Who have shared in the Holy Spirit. They've have shared in the Holy Spirit. They've have shared in the Holy Spirit. They've seen the Holy Spirit do incredible works seen the Holy Spirit do incredible works seen the Holy Spirit do incredible works in their midst and his ministry did in their midst and his ministry did in their midst and his ministry did >> stuff around them. Exactly. Maybe not in >> stuff around them. Exactly. Maybe not in >> stuff around them. Exactly. Maybe not in it, but around them. And so they tasted it, but around them. And so they tasted it, but around them. And so they tasted it, but maybe they didn't swallow it it, but maybe they didn't swallow it it, but maybe they didn't swallow it kind of thing. kind of thing. kind of thing. >> Exactly. They've experienced it all. So >> Exactly. They've experienced it all. So >> Exactly. They've experienced it all. So that's just one thing. That's what those that's just one thing. That's what those that's just one thing. That's what those verses could mean. But here's the thing. verses could mean. But here's the thing. verses could mean. But here's the thing. Verse 9 to me is the key. If you go Verse 9 to me is the key. If you go Verse 9 to me is the key. If you go forward, forward, forward, >> this is it. Okay. This is what people >> this is it. Okay. This is what people >> this is it. Okay. This is what people miss. This is so many people this though miss. This is so many people this though miss. This is so many people this though we speak in this way all these warnings we speak in this way all these warnings we speak in this way all these warnings that he's just given yet in your case that he's just given yet in your case that he's just given yet in your case beloved we feel sure of better things beloved we feel sure of better things beloved we feel sure of better things that belong to what to salvation so all that belong to what to salvation so all that belong to what to salvation so all these other things didn't belong to these other things didn't belong to these other things didn't belong to salvation but he said no we believe salvation but he said no we believe salvation but he said no we believe better things for you better things for you better things for you >> and so I would just say here that man >> and so I would just say here that man >> and so I would just say here that man this is a warning that hey just because this is a warning that hey just because this is a warning that hey just because you're in the group don't automatically you're in the group don't automatically you're in the group don't automatically assume you're a believer you need to assume you're a believer you need to assume you're a believer you need to check your hearts and make sure you check your hearts and make sure you check your hearts and make sure you actually have saving faith actually have saving faith actually have saving faith >> I'm going to do one more verse here and >> I'm going to do one more verse here and >> I'm going to do one more verse here and then I'm going to do this one real fast then I'm going to do this one real fast then I'm going to do this one real fast and then I where I want us to land is on and then I where I want us to land is on and then I where I want us to land is on two quick pastoral applications that are two quick pastoral applications that are two quick pastoral applications that are that are kind of tough questions. So that are kind of tough questions. So that are kind of tough questions. So another verse that a lot of loss of

another verse that a lot of loss of another verse that a lot of loss of salvation people hang hang their head on salvation people hang hang their head on salvation people hang hang their head on is James 5. Okay I'm going to read it. is James 5. Okay I'm going to read it. is James 5. Okay I'm going to read it. It says my brothers if anyone among you It says my brothers if anyone among you It says my brothers if anyone among you wanders from the truth. So anyone among wanders from the truth. So anyone among wanders from the truth. So anyone among you so we're part of the visible church you so we're part of the visible church you so we're part of the visible church wanders from the truth and somebody wanders from the truth and somebody wanders from the truth and somebody brings him back let him know that brings him back let him know that brings him back let him know that whoever brings back a sinner this is whoever brings back a sinner this is whoever brings back a sinner this is really important. A sinner from his really important. A sinner from his really important. A sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death wandering will save his soul from death wandering will save his soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. Now, on and cover a multitude of sins. Now, on and cover a multitude of sins. Now, on one reading, somebody might go, "Man, it one reading, somebody might go, "Man, it one reading, somebody might go, "Man, it seems like that's going, "Hey, is seems like that's going, "Hey, is seems like that's going, "Hey, is somebody that's among you?" So, they're somebody that's among you?" So, they're somebody that's among you?" So, they're a Christian a Christian a Christian >> and then they wander from the truth. >> and then they wander from the truth. >> and then they wander from the truth. >> So, they they lost uh their salvation. >> So, they they lost uh their salvation. >> So, they they lost uh their salvation. Uh and we know that it's talking about Uh and we know that it's talking about Uh and we know that it's talking about them losing their salvation. This is how them losing their salvation. This is how them losing their salvation. This is how the argument goes. We know that it's the argument goes. We know that it's the argument goes. We know that it's talking about them losing their talking about them losing their talking about them losing their salvation because it says, "You saved salvation because it says, "You saved salvation because it says, "You saved their soul from death." M okay. So what their soul from death." M okay. So what their soul from death." M okay. So what somebody might say is, "Hey, bro, somebody might say is, "Hey, bro, somebody might say is, "Hey, bro, there's at least got to be a possibility there's at least got to be a possibility there's at least got to be a possibility of losing your salvation because what of losing your salvation because what of losing your salvation because what else can save your soul from? There has else can save your soul from? There has else can save your soul from? There has to be a possibility of somebody among to be a possibility of somebody among to be a possibility of somebody among the Christians the Christians the Christians >> experiencing death of the soul, hell."

>> experiencing death of the soul, hell." >> experiencing death of the soul, hell." Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Well, honestly, if you're listening >> Well, honestly, if you're listening >> Well, honestly, if you're listening close, you're we're trying to turn you close, you're we're trying to turn you close, you're we're trying to turn you into theologians today. into theologians today. into theologians today. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Really, every single verse, it's >> Really, every single verse, it's >> Really, every single verse, it's illustrating the same thing. Not illustrating the same thing. Not illustrating the same thing. Not everyone that's part of the visible everyone that's part of the visible everyone that's part of the visible church is also part of the invisible church is also part of the invisible church is also part of the invisible church. What this verse I strongly church. What this verse I strongly church. What this verse I strongly believe is talking about is hey he's believe is talking about is hey he's believe is talking about is hey he's saying hey brothers there are people saying hey brothers there are people saying hey brothers there are people among you the visible church among you the visible church among you the visible church >> who think that they're Christians. >> who think that they're Christians. >> who think that they're Christians. They're not actually saved. So there They're not actually saved. So there They're not actually saved. So there comes a moment where their unregenerate comes a moment where their unregenerate comes a moment where their unregenerate hearts begin to manifest and they begin hearts begin to manifest and they begin hearts begin to manifest and they begin to wander away from the truth that's to wander away from the truth that's to wander away from the truth that's among you. Okay? Like visibly that would among you. Okay? Like visibly that would among you. Okay? Like visibly that would look like somebody apostatizing. look like somebody apostatizing. look like somebody apostatizing. And then it's saying, "And then you as a And then it's saying, "And then you as a And then it's saying, "And then you as a Christian go and then you bring them to Christian go and then you bring them to Christian go and then you bring them to the truth." That's the moment of their the truth." That's the moment of their the truth." That's the moment of their salvation. That's what I think James 5 salvation. That's what I think James 5 salvation. That's what I think James 5 is saying. is saying. is saying. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that is what is saving them from >> And that is what is saving them from >> And that is what is saving them from death. They got saved. death. They got saved. death. They got saved. >> Yes. And two small observations with >> Yes. And two small observations with >> Yes. And two small observations with this. If you believe that James 5 is this. If you believe that James 5 is this. If you believe that James 5 is saying that you can lose your salvation, saying that you can lose your salvation, saying that you can lose your salvation, same people with this would say the same same people with this would say the same same people with this would say the same thing about Hebrews 6, then Hebrews 6 thing about Hebrews 6, then Hebrews 6 thing about Hebrews 6, then Hebrews 6 and James 5 completely contradict each and James 5 completely contradict each and James 5 completely contradict each other.

other. other. >> Okay. This is so important. Let's land. >> Okay. This is so important. Let's land. >> Okay. This is so important. Let's land. I want to land on this because this is I want to land on this because this is I want to land on this because this is really important. If you believe that really important. If you believe that really important. If you believe that this is saying you can lose your this is saying you can lose your this is saying you can lose your salvation, you would probably also say salvation, you would probably also say salvation, you would probably also say the same thing about Hebrews 6. Hebrews the same thing about Hebrews 6. Hebrews the same thing about Hebrews 6. Hebrews 6 says 6 says that it is impossible for 6 says 6 says that it is impossible for 6 says 6 says that it is impossible for them to be restored. This is saying it them to be restored. This is saying it them to be restored. This is saying it can be. There's no way to get around can be. There's no way to get around can be. There's no way to get around that. that. that. >> They can't. Yeah. Is that makes sense? >> They can't. Yeah. Is that makes sense? >> They can't. Yeah. Is that makes sense? That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. >> So it must mean something else. And I >> So it must mean something else. And I >> So it must mean something else. And I would argue like you just said, it means would argue like you just said, it means would argue like you just said, it means exactly what you're saying that they're exactly what you're saying that they're exactly what you're saying that they're part of the people of God, but they're part of the people of God, but they're part of the people of God, but they're not actually they do not know God. not actually they do not know God. not actually they do not know God. >> I want to toss both these questions at >> I want to toss both these questions at >> I want to toss both these questions at both of you. Okay. So these are uh and both of you. Okay. So these are uh and both of you. Okay. So these are uh and then we'll see if we got time to do uh then we'll see if we got time to do uh then we'll see if we got time to do uh reparations and James. reparations and James. reparations and James. These are um so the these were really uh These are um so the these were really uh These are um so the these were really uh we by the way in about one hour we we by the way in about one hour we we by the way in about one hour we received hundreds of questions on this. received hundreds of questions on this. received hundreds of questions on this. This is a big deal for a lot of people. This is a big deal for a lot of people. This is a big deal for a lot of people. >> The two most emotional questions that >> The two most emotional questions that >> The two most emotional questions that was very obvious people wrestle with. was very obvious people wrestle with. was very obvious people wrestle with. I'm just going to throw them at you. I'm just going to throw them at you. I'm just going to throw them at you. Number one, let's toss that one up. Number one, let's toss that one up. Number one, let's toss that one up. >> Um almost everybody has had this >> Um almost everybody has had this >> Um almost everybody has had this experience. Okay. experience. Okay. experience. Okay. >> I've seen a few walk away. >> I've seen a few walk away. >> I've seen a few walk away. >> Does that mean their conversion was not >> Does that mean their conversion was not >> Does that mean their conversion was not authentic? So maybe you had a family authentic? So maybe you had a family authentic? So maybe you had a family member, a brother, a sister, a friend, member, a brother, a sister, a friend, member, a brother, a sister, a friend, >> and they were on team Jesus, and it >> and they were on team Jesus, and it >> and they were on team Jesus, and it seemed like they were really on team seemed like they were really on team seemed like they were really on team Jesus.

Jesus. Jesus. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They walked away. So they're going, >> They walked away. So they're going, >> They walked away. So they're going, "Hey, are you guys saying they were "Hey, are you guys saying they were "Hey, are you guys saying they were never saved?" Paul, Carlos, what say never saved?" Paul, Carlos, what say never saved?" Paul, Carlos, what say you? you? you? >> Are you done talking about uh just the >> Are you done talking about uh just the >> Are you done talking about uh just the salvation thing uh for now? salvation thing uh for now? salvation thing uh for now? >> Okay. So So let me just can I can I just >> Okay. So So let me just can I can I just >> Okay. So So let me just can I can I just add one more thing before we go here? Um add one more thing before we go here? Um add one more thing before we go here? Um because from a from an intellectual because from a from an intellectual because from a from an intellectual perspective, like this that's a a perspective, like this that's a a perspective, like this that's a a phenomenal answer. Uh I think from a phenomenal answer. Uh I think from a phenomenal answer. Uh I think from a pastoral perspective too especially when pastoral perspective too especially when pastoral perspective too especially when you have some of these conversations you have some of these conversations you have some of these conversations with like a family member and somebody with like a family member and somebody with like a family member and somebody asks you um it's really helpful from asks you um it's really helpful from asks you um it's really helpful from what I have found to ask hey why do you what I have found to ask hey why do you what I have found to ask hey why do you ask right so somebody's asking hey can ask right so somebody's asking hey can ask right so somebody's asking hey can you lose your salvation anytime you can you lose your salvation anytime you can you lose your salvation anytime you can respond by saying hey tell me why are respond by saying hey tell me why are respond by saying hey tell me why are you asking that um and the reason it you asking that um and the reason it you asking that um and the reason it matters is because people will ask for matters is because people will ask for matters is because people will ask for different reasons so if somebody says uh different reasons so if somebody says uh different reasons so if somebody says uh I'm asking that because I'm a Christian I'm asking that because I'm a Christian I'm asking that because I'm a Christian but I'm struggling with one particular but I'm struggling with one particular but I'm struggling with one particular sin that I just can't get over with. I'm sin that I just can't get over with. I'm sin that I just can't get over with. I'm just it's been years and you know I'm just it's been years and you know I'm just it's been years and you know I'm really trying and I feel like I'm going really trying and I feel like I'm going really trying and I feel like I'm going to lose my salvation. Then we would say to lose my salvation. Then we would say to lose my salvation. Then we would say man Romans chapter 8 you know what man man Romans chapter 8 you know what man man Romans chapter 8 you know what man you have been saved. Uh nothing can you have been saved. Uh nothing can you have been saved. Uh nothing can separate you. Your sin is not greater separate you. Your sin is not greater separate you. Your sin is not greater than God's grace in your life. And and than God's grace in your life. And and than God's grace in your life. And and and so again in fact if you are a and so again in fact if you are a and so again in fact if you are a Christian and you are struggling with a Christian and you are struggling with a Christian and you are struggling with a specific sin that's actually pointing to specific sin that's actually pointing to specific sin that's actually pointing to the fact that you are saved because a the fact that you are saved because a the fact that you are saved because a non-believer does not struggle with non-believer does not struggle with non-believer does not struggle with their sin. They're like well you know I their sin. They're like well you know I their sin. They're like well you know I just kind of do what I do and I don't just kind of do what I do and I don't just kind of do what I do and I don't really care. You care. Guess what? you really care. You care. Guess what? you really care. You care. Guess what? you you you're you're a son, you're a you you're you're a son, you're a you you're you're a son, you're a daughter, you're God can work in you.

daughter, you're God can work in you. daughter, you're God can work in you. That's right. That's right. That's right. >> That's great news. So now, if somebody >> That's great news. So now, if somebody >> That's great news. So now, if somebody else would say, "Well, man, I uh you else would say, "Well, man, I uh you else would say, "Well, man, I uh you know, I did the prayer of faith when I know, I did the prayer of faith when I know, I did the prayer of faith when I was a little kid or I grew up in church was a little kid or I grew up in church was a little kid or I grew up in church one day. I got my ticket, bro. I'm a one day. I got my ticket, bro. I'm a one day. I got my ticket, bro. I'm a 10." Well, Josh said that I can't never 10." Well, Josh said that I can't never 10." Well, Josh said that I can't never lose my salvation, so I can just do lose my salvation, so I can just do lose my salvation, so I can just do whatever I want. Hey, bro. Uh you need whatever I want. Hey, bro. Uh you need whatever I want. Hey, bro. Uh you need to repent. You're going to hell. to repent. You're going to hell. to repent. You're going to hell. >> He needs honestly that guy >> He needs honestly that guy >> He needs honestly that guy [clears throat] needs Hebrews 6. [clears throat] needs Hebrews 6. [clears throat] needs Hebrews 6. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> That guy needs Hebrews 6. He needs a >> That guy needs Hebrews 6. He needs a >> That guy needs Hebrews 6. He needs a like legitimately that dude needs the like legitimately that dude needs the like legitimately that dude needs the fear of God on his life. fear of God on his life. fear of God on his life. >> That's right. And so, and you know, and >> That's right. And so, and you know, and >> That's right. And so, and you know, and this is the thing. I've never actually this is the thing. I've never actually this is the thing. I've never actually shared this here, but like I love uh shared this here, but like I love uh shared this here, but like I love uh JP's question. Shout out to JP. I love JP's question. Shout out to JP. I love JP's question. Shout out to JP. I love I've known JP for a long time. Uh I love I've known JP for a long time. Uh I love I've known JP for a long time. Uh I love that question, the one to 10 thing. Uh that question, the one to 10 thing. Uh that question, the one to 10 thing. Uh on a scale from 1 to 10, if you were to on a scale from 1 to 10, if you were to on a scale from 1 to 10, if you were to die, where would you go? Uh I love that. die, where would you go? Uh I love that. die, where would you go? Uh I love that. And yet, there's a little bit of me that And yet, there's a little bit of me that And yet, there's a little bit of me that like I would caveat anytime I have an like I would caveat anytime I have an like I would caveat anytime I have an opportunity to have that conversation opportunity to have that conversation opportunity to have that conversation cuz in some ways, what I wouldn't want cuz in some ways, what I wouldn't want cuz in some ways, what I wouldn't want is somebody to think that being a is somebody to think that being a is somebody to think that being a Christian is receiving a ticket to Christian is receiving a ticket to Christian is receiving a ticket to salvation and you're set. salvation and you're set. salvation and you're set. >> Yeah. Being a Christian is not for >> Yeah. Being a Christian is not for >> Yeah. Being a Christian is not for something that happens for after you die something that happens for after you die something that happens for after you die one day down the road. Uh being a one day down the road. Uh being a one day down the road. Uh being a Christian is an invitation to be in Christian is an invitation to be in Christian is an invitation to be in relationship with Jesus now.

relationship with Jesus now. relationship with Jesus now. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Which is yes that you will get to heaven >> Which is yes that you will get to heaven >> Which is yes that you will get to heaven one day and be with Jesus. But guess one day and be with Jesus. But guess one day and be with Jesus. But guess what? Your treasure at the end of the what? Your treasure at the end of the what? Your treasure at the end of the day is not one day after you die in day is not one day after you die in day is not one day after you die in heaven somewhere out there. It is a heaven somewhere out there. It is a heaven somewhere out there. It is a relationship with Jesus. Now Jesus is relationship with Jesus. Now Jesus is relationship with Jesus. Now Jesus is your treasure today. Uh yes, you will be your treasure today. Uh yes, you will be your treasure today. Uh yes, you will be saved. You will be in heaven with saved. You will be in heaven with saved. You will be in heaven with Christ. But ultimately it is a Christ. But ultimately it is a Christ. But ultimately it is a relationship. So it's not just the relationship. So it's not just the relationship. So it's not just the ticket that you're going to put in your ticket that you're going to put in your ticket that you're going to put in your back pocket that you're going to use at back pocket that you're going to use at back pocket that you're going to use at someday after you die. someday after you die. someday after you die. >> Anyway, so that's that that would be for >> Anyway, so that's that that would be for >> Anyway, so that's that that would be for the my response on on a more uh pastoral the my response on on a more uh pastoral the my response on on a more uh pastoral level to the person asking back to your level to the person asking back to your level to the person asking back to your question, question, question, >> which brings me back to question. That's >> which brings me back to question. That's >> which brings me back to question. That's right. If somebody right. If somebody right. If somebody >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Just like this person said, they saw >> Just like this person said, they saw >> Just like this person said, they saw people who were like they're, "Hey man, people who were like they're, "Hey man, people who were like they're, "Hey man, I'm all in on team Jesus. I'm all in." I'm all in on team Jesus. I'm all in." I'm all in on team Jesus. I'm all in." >> And then they go to Jo or whatever it is >> And then they go to Jo or whatever it is >> And then they go to Jo or whatever it is and then they they walk away. Are y'all and then they they walk away. Are y'all and then they they walk away. Are y'all saying they were never actually saved? saying they were never actually saved? saying they were never actually saved? And this is hard because it can be And this is hard because it can be And this is hard because it can be people that we know and that's why this people that we know and that's why this people that we know and that's why this can be so personal, but also we've seen can be so personal, but also we've seen can be so personal, but also we've seen pastors who have done this. pastors who have done this. pastors who have done this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's really hard and it can really >> And it's really hard and it can really >> And it's really hard and it can really shake us. shake us. shake us. >> I would say I would say they were not >> I would say I would say they were not >> I would say I would say they were not genuine Christians. genuine Christians. genuine Christians. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> We have verses for this actually goes >> We have verses for this actually goes >> We have verses for this actually goes perfect with the visible invisible perfect with the visible invisible perfect with the visible invisible church thing you did which I thought was church thing you did which I thought was church thing you did which I thought was so good. First John 21:19 so good. First John 21:19 so good. First John 21:19 they went out from us. So the idea of they went out from us. So the idea of they went out from us. So the idea of visible church, they're part of the visible church, they're part of the visible church, they're part of the visible church. They went out from us, visible church. They went out from us, visible church. They went out from us, but they were not really of us invisible but they were not really of us invisible but they were not really of us invisible church. For if they had been of us, they church. For if they had been of us, they church. For if they had been of us, they would have remained with us. But they would have remained with us. But they would have remained with us. But they went out in order that it might be shown went out in order that it might be shown went out in order that it might be shown that they are all not of us. That not that they are all not of us. That not that they are all not of us. That not everyone who's a part of the visible everyone who's a part of the visible everyone who's a part of the visible churches are actually believers and a churches are actually believers and a churches are actually believers and a part of the invisible church. Here's part of the invisible church. Here's part of the invisible church. Here's another way I like to say this. I'll say

another way I like to say this. I'll say another way I like to say this. I'll say this briefly. Matthew chapter 7, which this briefly. Matthew chapter 7, which this briefly. Matthew chapter 7, which we alluded to earlier, Jesus says there we alluded to earlier, Jesus says there we alluded to earlier, Jesus says there going to be some people who thought like going to be some people who thought like going to be some people who thought like they thought they were in. They thought they thought they were in. They thought they thought they were in. They thought they were saved. And they're going to be they were saved. And they're going to be they were saved. And they're going to be surprised when Jesus says, "Depart from surprised when Jesus says, "Depart from surprised when Jesus says, "Depart from me. I never knew you." me. I never knew you." me. I never knew you." >> And so if there are going to be people >> And so if there are going to be people >> And so if there are going to be people who on the last day are surprised and who on the last day are surprised and who on the last day are surprised and they thought that they were in, it they thought that they were in, it they thought that they were in, it shouldn't surprise us if some people shouldn't surprise us if some people shouldn't surprise us if some people come to that realization before the come to that realization before the come to that realization before the final day. Does that make sense? So it final day. Does that make sense? So it final day. Does that make sense? So it doesn't take the sting off, but I would doesn't take the sting off, but I would doesn't take the sting off, but I would say, hey, even if it looks like they did say, hey, even if it looks like they did say, hey, even if it looks like they did what they were for a season, ultimately what they were for a season, ultimately what they were for a season, ultimately they show themselves to not be genuine they show themselves to not be genuine they show themselves to not be genuine believers in Jesus if they walked away. believers in Jesus if they walked away. believers in Jesus if they walked away. >> Tell me tell me if you agree with this. >> Tell me tell me if you agree with this. >> Tell me tell me if you agree with this. Um because in my mind, it's two options. Um because in my mind, it's two options. Um because in my mind, it's two options. What you just said or they're a prodigal What you just said or they're a prodigal What you just said or they're a prodigal son that will return. And this is the son that will return. And this is the son that will return. And this is the Calvinistic part of me like, man, I Calvinistic part of me like, man, I Calvinistic part of me like, man, I believe thank God for a predestination. believe thank God for a predestination. believe thank God for a predestination. >> Uh that in in one sense, uh it could be, >> Uh that in in one sense, uh it could be, >> Uh that in in one sense, uh it could be, again, tell me if you disagree with me. again, tell me if you disagree with me. again, tell me if you disagree with me. Um, man, maybe they did have a a saving Um, man, maybe they did have a a saving Um, man, maybe they did have a a saving faith of of some sort. Uh, and right now faith of of some sort. Uh, and right now faith of of some sort. Uh, and right now they're just astray. they're just astray. they're just astray. >> What was the difference between Peter >> What was the difference between Peter >> What was the difference between Peter and Judas? and Judas? and Judas? >> Yeah. He repented.

>> Yeah. He repented. >> Yeah. He repented. >> And so, and so my job, in fact, there's >> And so, and so my job, in fact, there's >> And so, and so my job, in fact, there's a there's when you look at the prodical a there's when you look at the prodical a there's when you look at the prodical son story, there is a cultural son story, there is a cultural son story, there is a cultural expectation um for the brother to do his expectation um for the brother to do his expectation um for the brother to do his duty, the older brother, and he didn't duty, the older brother, and he didn't duty, the older brother, and he didn't do it to in some ways go try to find it. do it to in some ways go try to find it. do it to in some ways go try to find it. And so, this is where like the the job And so, this is where like the the job And so, this is where like the the job of the church comes in. And we say, man, of the church comes in. And we say, man, of the church comes in. And we say, man, as believers, man, we pray for them. We as believers, man, we pray for them. We as believers, man, we pray for them. We and we pray not with like man I hope and we pray not with like man I hope and we pray not with like man I hope somehow God perhaps my we say God you somehow God perhaps my we say God you somehow God perhaps my we say God you are sovereign go get him heaven do are sovereign go get him heaven do are sovereign go get him heaven do whatever you need to do and I have hope whatever you need to do and I have hope whatever you need to do and I have hope in that because if if if my hope is in in that because if if if my hope is in in that because if if if my hope is in the fact that my friend will change by the fact that my friend will change by the fact that my friend will change by his own accord and his own will man I his own accord and his own will man I his own accord and his own will man I got no hope got no hope got no hope >> cuz I know my [clears throat] buddy I >> cuz I know my [clears throat] buddy I >> cuz I know my [clears throat] buddy I know I love my my my friend he's going know I love my my my friend he's going know I love my my my friend he's going in the wrong direction he is blind my in the wrong direction he is blind my in the wrong direction he is blind my only hope is if uh the the father does a only hope is if uh the the father does a only hope is if uh the the father does a work in his soul and my hope is that work in his soul and my hope is that work in his soul and my hope is that that's going to be a prodical son that's that's going to be a prodical son that's that's going to be a prodical son that's going to return home and when he does or going to return home and when he does or going to return home and when he does or he or she does the father is going to he or she does the father is going to he or she does the father is going to embrace him completely. embrace him completely. embrace him completely. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Yeah. And so just for clarity for what >> Yeah. And so just for clarity for what >> Yeah. And so just for clarity for what Carlo is saying if you see somebody who Carlo is saying if you see somebody who Carlo is saying if you see somebody who once said they're on team Jesus and now once said they're on team Jesus and now once said they're on team Jesus and now they're like real they're like going they're like real they're like going they're like real they're like going sideways sideways sideways just to clarify there's two options.

just to clarify there's two options. just to clarify there's two options. Either that person wasn't saved or Either that person wasn't saved or Either that person wasn't saved or actually and this is it's rare but I do actually and this is it's rare but I do actually and this is it's rare but I do think it happens. The book of think it happens. The book of think it happens. The book of Corinthians it talks about a quote Corinthians it talks about a quote Corinthians it talks about a quote carnal Christian. You will have people, carnal Christian. You will have people, carnal Christian. You will have people, I've seen this on rare occasions, who I've seen this on rare occasions, who I've seen this on rare occasions, who it's like [clears throat] they have a it's like [clears throat] they have a it's like [clears throat] they have a moment in their life where it's like moment in their life where it's like moment in their life where it's like they just go real sideways and somewhere they just go real sideways and somewhere they just go real sideways and somewhere buried down deep under there, there's buried down deep under there, there's buried down deep under there, there's like a regenerate heart, but it's buried like a regenerate heart, but it's buried like a regenerate heart, but it's buried real real deep and you can barely see it real real deep and you can barely see it real real deep and you can barely see it at all. at all. at all. >> And and then they're definitely coming >> And and then they're definitely coming >> And and then they're definitely coming back. One of those two things the only back. One of those two things the only back. One of those two things the only option. Yeah, option. Yeah, option. Yeah, >> those are the only two options. Let me >> those are the only two options. Let me >> those are the only two options. Let me do this last question um because this is do this last question um because this is do this last question um because this is this is a heavy one. this is a heavy one. this is a heavy one. >> This person, God bless this girl. This >> This person, God bless this girl. This >> This person, God bless this girl. This was so sweet and vulnerable. She said, was so sweet and vulnerable. She said, was so sweet and vulnerable. She said, "I am worried about my own salvation "I am worried about my own salvation "I am worried about my own salvation because I continue to fall to because I continue to fall to because I continue to fall to temptation." temptation." temptation." Carlos, would you like to start taking Carlos, would you like to start taking Carlos, would you like to start taking that one? that one? that one? >> Yeah, I mean, I would say uh again, I >> Yeah, I mean, I would say uh again, I >> Yeah, I mean, I would say uh again, I would I I would say the same thing I would I I would say the same thing I would I I would say the same thing I said, you know, to to the person. Um the said, you know, to to the person. Um the said, you know, to to the person. Um the fact that you are worried about your fact that you are worried about your fact that you are worried about your salvation, right? It is a great sign salvation, right? It is a great sign salvation, right? It is a great sign that you actually are a believer, that that you actually are a believer, that that you actually are a believer, that you have a regenerate heart, that you you have a regenerate heart, that you you have a regenerate heart, that you care about the things you care about the care about the things you care about the care about the things you care about the things that God cares about and uh you things that God cares about and uh you things that God cares about and uh you need reassurance of salvation with all need reassurance of salvation with all need reassurance of salvation with all these verses. I I would bombard my mind these verses. I I would bombard my mind these verses. I I would bombard my mind over and over. The way you combat a lie over and over. The way you combat a lie over and over. The way you combat a lie is with the truth of God's word and uh is with the truth of God's word and uh is with the truth of God's word and uh that's where you'll find life. What that's where you'll find life. What that's where you'll find life. What would you say?

would you say? would you say? >> Yeah, I couldn't have said it much >> Yeah, I couldn't have said it much >> Yeah, I couldn't have said it much better. M better. M better. M >> uh the biggest thing that you're going >> uh the biggest thing that you're going >> uh the biggest thing that you're going to see there is uh almost no regenerate to see there is uh almost no regenerate to see there is uh almost no regenerate person ever feels that feeling right person ever feels that feeling right person ever feels that feeling right there. there. there. >> If in fact when somebody has a fear of >> If in fact when somebody has a fear of >> If in fact when somebody has a fear of falling away from the living God, falling away from the living God, falling away from the living God, they're actually seeing temptation in they're actually seeing temptation in they're actually seeing temptation in their life. You know, they're like their life. You know, they're like their life. You know, they're like here's what they start to feel. And here's what they start to feel. And here's what they start to feel. And dude, the reason I tear up is because dude, the reason I tear up is because dude, the reason I tear up is because there ain't a Christian anywhere who has there ain't a Christian anywhere who has there ain't a Christian anywhere who has not felt this where it's like you're not felt this where it's like you're not felt this where it's like you're kind of going like, "God, I sinned the kind of going like, "God, I sinned the kind of going like, "God, I sinned the same sin for the 500th time." And same sin for the 500th time." And same sin for the 500th time." And there's like this thing that starts to there's like this thing that starts to there's like this thing that starts to well up in you're like I hate this. What well up in you're like I hate this. What well up in you're like I hate this. What you start you start to like I'm a pastor you start you start to like I'm a pastor you start you start to like I'm a pastor and I got things in my life I start to and I got things in my life I start to and I got things in my life I start to go what is wrong with me? go what is wrong with me? go what is wrong with me? >> And honestly some people may be >> And honestly some people may be >> And honestly some people may be listening to go a pastor thinks that. listening to go a pastor thinks that. listening to go a pastor thinks that. You know where I got that? You know where I got that? You know where I got that? >> The apostle Paul. >> The apostle Paul. >> The apostle Paul. >> That's what Paul says about himself in >> That's what Paul says about himself in >> That's what Paul says about himself in Romans 7. Romans 7. Romans 7. >> Paul goes he's the apostle Paul goes bro >> Paul goes he's the apostle Paul goes bro >> Paul goes he's the apostle Paul goes bro what is wrong with me? M what is wrong with me? M what is wrong with me? M >> and here's the big idea is hey dude uh >> and here's the big idea is hey dude uh >> and here's the big idea is hey dude uh there's a reason the Bible says that at there's a reason the Bible says that at there's a reason the Bible says that at the end end of time what Jesus is going the end end of time what Jesus is going the end end of time what Jesus is going to do is he's going to wipe away every to do is he's going to wipe away every to do is he's going to wipe away every tear from every eye. You know what that tear from every eye. You know what that tear from every eye. You know what that means?

means? means? >> You're going to be weeping all the way >> You're going to be weeping all the way >> You're going to be weeping all the way to Jesus. to Jesus. to Jesus. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And some of that weeping is man I really >> And some of that weeping is man I really >> And some of that weeping is man I really want to be free from this sin. And it want to be free from this sin. And it want to be free from this sin. And it just keeps cropping up. And so what I just keeps cropping up. And so what I just keeps cropping up. And so what I would say is to that precious little would say is to that precious little would say is to that precious little girl right there what I'd say is uh you girl right there what I'd say is uh you girl right there what I'd say is uh you got this fear of God's absence. And I got this fear of God's absence. And I got this fear of God's absence. And I would just say it's an old Puritan would just say it's an old Puritan would just say it's an old Puritan saying, a fear of God's absence is a saying, a fear of God's absence is a saying, a fear of God's absence is a sign of his presence. sign of his presence. sign of his presence. >> You would not be feeling what you were >> You would not be feeling what you were >> You would not be feeling what you were feeling unless you had a heart that was feeling unless you had a heart that was feeling unless you had a heart that was inclined towards the living God. I'm inclined towards the living God. I'm inclined towards the living God. I'm going to give you a verse. You Everybody going to give you a verse. You Everybody going to give you a verse. You Everybody needs a verse. I'm going to give you a needs a verse. I'm going to give you a needs a verse. I'm going to give you a verse. Proverbs 24:16. I love this so verse. Proverbs 24:16. I love this so verse. Proverbs 24:16. I love this so much. The righteous fall seven times and much. The righteous fall seven times and much. The righteous fall seven times and rise again, but the wicked stumble when rise again, but the wicked stumble when rise again, but the wicked stumble when calamity strikes. You know what that calamity strikes. You know what that calamity strikes. You know what that means? Here's what that means. It means means? Here's what that means. It means means? Here's what that means. It means the sign that you have been made the sign that you have been made the sign that you have been made righteous in Jesus Christ by salvation. righteous in Jesus Christ by salvation. righteous in Jesus Christ by salvation. The sign is not that you stop falling. The sign is not that you stop falling. The sign is not that you stop falling. That's not the sign. The righteous fall That's not the sign. The righteous fall That's not the sign. The righteous fall seven times. Like you look like a if you seven times. Like you look like a if you seven times. Like you look like a if you fall seven times in a row, you look like fall seven times in a row, you look like fall seven times in a row, you look like an idiot that can't walk. an idiot that can't walk. an idiot that can't walk. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> But Paul's going, "But you might look >> But Paul's going, "But you might look >> But Paul's going, "But you might look like that and you still been made like that and you still been made like that and you still been made righteous in Christ." The sign that righteous in Christ." The sign that righteous in Christ." The sign that you've been made righteous in Christ you've been made righteous in Christ you've been made righteous in Christ isn't that you never fall. It's that you isn't that you never fall. It's that you isn't that you never fall. It's that you keep getting back up and trying again.

keep getting back up and trying again. keep getting back up and trying again. >> Amen. Martin Luther said, "The life of a >> Amen. Martin Luther said, "The life of a >> Amen. Martin Luther said, "The life of a Christian is a life of repentance. It is Christian is a life of repentance. It is Christian is a life of repentance. It is not a moment of repentance. It is a not a moment of repentance. It is a not a moment of repentance. It is a lifestyle. You continually repent." lifestyle. You continually repent." lifestyle. You continually repent." Psalm 51:17 says, "A broken and contrite Psalm 51:17 says, "A broken and contrite Psalm 51:17 says, "A broken and contrite heart, oh God, you will not despise." heart, oh God, you will not despise." heart, oh God, you will not despise." >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Come home. >> Come home. >> Come home. >> Amen. You know what? [snorts] We're >> Amen. You know what? [snorts] We're >> Amen. You know what? [snorts] We're going to take a break right there. I'm going to take a break right there. I'm going to take a break right there. I'm going to get James Terico later going to get James Terico later going to get James Terico later [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] because that we need to hit that right because that we need to hit that right because that we need to hit that right now. Uh Carlos, now. Uh Carlos, now. Uh Carlos, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Would you close us in prayer? >> Would you close us in prayer? >> Would you close us in prayer? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> That'd be awesome, man. >> That'd be awesome, man. >> That'd be awesome, man. >> Heavenly Father, thank you so much for >> Heavenly Father, thank you so much for >> Heavenly Father, thank you so much for your word. Thank you because uh man the your word. Thank you because uh man the your word. Thank you because uh man the gospel just means good news and that's gospel just means good news and that's gospel just means good news and that's what we need today. Lord we pray for what we need today. Lord we pray for what we need today. Lord we pray for every single viewer and listener um that every single viewer and listener um that every single viewer and listener um that the good news of the gospel of your the good news of the gospel of your the good news of the gospel of your salvation Jesus that you said that salvation Jesus that you said that salvation Jesus that you said that nothing can separate us from your love nothing can separate us from your love nothing can separate us from your love that no one and anything can snatch us that no one and anything can snatch us that no one and anything can snatch us uh from from your love. Uh that's such a uh from from your love. Uh that's such a uh from from your love. Uh that's such a good news. I pray that that may be true good news. I pray that that may be true good news. I pray that that may be true not just on an intellectual level uh but not just on an intellectual level uh but not just on an intellectual level uh but also on a heart and soul level for every also on a heart and soul level for every also on a heart and soul level for every single person listening right now. Thank single person listening right now. Thank single person listening right now. Thank you father. I pray that not only that you father. I pray that not only that you father. I pray that not only that may be true on a soul level, but that we may be true on a soul level, but that we may be true on a soul level, but that we may walk in confidence uh in in just may walk in confidence uh in in just may walk in confidence uh in in just knowing that uh we are safe in you, knowing that uh we are safe in you, knowing that uh we are safe in you, knowing that you empower us to live the knowing that you empower us to live the knowing that you empower us to live the life that you've called us to live. We life that you've called us to live. We life that you've called us to live. We pray that we may continue to seek you pray that we may continue to seek you pray that we may continue to seek you deeply, that we may enjoy our deeply, that we may enjoy our deeply, that we may enjoy our relationship with you, Jesus, the the relationship with you, Jesus, the the relationship with you, Jesus, the the king of the universe. Um that we may king of the universe. Um that we may king of the universe. Um that we may continue to to walk uh in light of that continue to to walk uh in light of that continue to to walk uh in light of that truth every single day. Thank you for truth every single day. Thank you for truth every single day. Thank you for your word. Thank you for the spot. Thank your word. Thank you for the spot. Thank your word. Thank you for the spot. Thank you for lif nation. And we pray all this you for lif nation. And we pray all this you for lif nation. And we pray all this in your name, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

in your name, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. in your name, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. >> Amen. Hey man, >> Amen. Hey man, >> Amen. Hey man, >> live free. >> live free. >> live free. >> Live free, brother. >> Live free, brother. >> Live free, brother. >> Brother free.