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One of the most frequent questions that One of the most frequent questions that I've been getting in emails and DMs I've been getting in emails and DMs I've been getting in emails and DMs [music] from just like Christians in the [music] from just like Christians in the [music] from just like Christians in the Dallas area, should Christians organize Dallas area, should Christians organize Dallas area, should Christians organize to legally try to stop a mosque from to legally try to stop a mosque from to legally try to stop a mosque from being built in their city? There's a being built in their city? There's a being built in their city? There's a bigger tension here than you might bigger tension here than you might bigger tension here than you might think. think. think. Hey guys, welcome to a bonus episode of Hey guys, welcome to a bonus episode of Hey guys, welcome to a bonus episode of Live Free. Very frankly, I am always Live Free. Very frankly, I am always Live Free. Very frankly, I am always trying to figure out if the time trying to figure out if the time trying to figure out if the time investment that it takes to do these is investment that it takes to do these is investment that it takes to do these is worth the time investment. And so if worth the time investment. And so if worth the time investment. And so if this is helpful to you and you'd like to this is helpful to you and you'd like to this is helpful to you and you'd like to see more of it, if you could especially see more of it, if you could especially see more of it, if you could especially on YouTube [music] like, comment, and on YouTube [music] like, comment, and on YouTube [music] like, comment, and share. Very frankly, that lets me know share. Very frankly, that lets me know share. Very frankly, that lets me know that it is actually helpful [music] and that it is actually helpful [music] and that it is actually helpful [music] and that people actually do want to see more that people actually do want to see more that people actually do want to see more of it. So if you could do that, that'd of it. So if you could do that, that'd of it. So if you could do that, that'd be awesome. Without further ado, welcome be awesome. Without further ado, welcome be awesome. Without further ado, welcome to a bonus episode of Live Free. to a bonus episode of Live Free. to a bonus episode of Live Free. Let's talk about mosques. Let's talk about mosques. Let's talk about mosques. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> All right, just go for it. >> All right, just go for it. >> All right, just go for it. >> All right, let's this we realized that >> All right, let's this we realized that >> All right, let's this we realized that this there was so much here this there was so much here this there was so much here >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> that we needed its own bonus episode. >> that we needed its own bonus episode. >> that we needed its own bonus episode. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So by the way, I'll keep saying this, >> So by the way, I'll keep saying this, >> So by the way, I'll keep saying this, these bonus episodes, I'mma shoot y'all these bonus episodes, I'mma shoot y'all these bonus episodes, I'mma shoot y'all straight, they're extra work. And so if straight, they're extra work. And so if straight, they're extra work. And so if uh uh uh >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> if you're like, "Hey, this is actually >> if you're like, "Hey, this is actually >> if you're like, "Hey, this is actually helpful. We like it, keep it coming."

helpful. We like it, keep it coming." helpful. We like it, keep it coming." Like, comment, share, especially comment Like, comment, share, especially comment Like, comment, share, especially comment like on YouTube. I'mma shoot you real like on YouTube. I'mma shoot you real like on YouTube. I'mma shoot you real straight, it is extra work and it's like straight, it is extra work and it's like straight, it is extra work and it's like I'm always like, "Is the juice worth the I'm always like, "Is the juice worth the I'm always like, "Is the juice worth the squeeze?" squeeze?" squeeze?" >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So that lets us know that it's actually >> So that lets us know that it's actually >> So that lets us know that it's actually helpful. All right. Now helpful. All right. Now helpful. All right. Now >> uh does one of you guys want to set up >> uh does one of you guys want to set up >> uh does one of you guys want to set up what precipitated the episode we're what precipitated the episode we're what precipitated the episode we're about to do? about to do? about to do? >> No, you go first. >> No, you go first. >> No, you go first. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> No, you go first. >> No, you go first. >> No, you go first. >> It's like the Spider-Man scene where >> It's like the Spider-Man scene where >> It's like the Spider-Man scene where everybody's pointing at each other. everybody's pointing at each other. everybody's pointing at each other. >> Great. Great. >> Great. Great. >> Great. Great. >> So >> So >> So >> No, let me do it. I got it. [laughter] >> No, let me do it. I got it. [laughter] >> No, let me do it. I got it. [laughter] All right. All right. All right. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, all right, I got it. All right, go ahead all right, I got it. All right, go ahead all right, I got it. All right, go ahead and toss up the picture. Toss up the and toss up the picture. Toss up the and toss up the picture. Toss up the picture, Trinity. So for those who are picture, Trinity. So for those who are picture, Trinity. So for those who are unaware, one of the most frequent unaware, one of the most frequent unaware, one of the most frequent questions that I've been getting in questions that I've been getting in questions that I've been getting in emails and DMs from just like Christians emails and DMs from just like Christians emails and DMs from just like Christians in the Dallas area. in the Dallas area. in the Dallas area. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Here's the question. >> Here's the question. >> Here's the question. Should Christians organize to legally Should Christians organize to legally Should Christians organize to legally try to stop a mosque from being built in try to stop a mosque from being built in try to stop a mosque from being built in their city? I'm going to tell you where their city? I'm going to tell you where their city? I'm going to tell you where this episode's kind of going because this episode's kind of going because this episode's kind of going because there's a bigger tension here than you there's a bigger tension here than you there's a bigger tension here than you might think. Um some of you are going to might think. Um some of you are going to might think. Um some of you are going to listen to this and you're immediately listen to this and you're immediately listen to this and you're immediately going to be like, "Well, of course not. going to be like, "Well, of course not. going to be like, "Well, of course not. We're religious liberty people. Like the We're religious liberty people. Like the We're religious liberty people. Like the whole thing is that Islam is the whole thing is that Islam is the whole thing is that Islam is the religion of imposition and Christianity religion of imposition and Christianity religion of imposition and Christianity is the religion of invitation. Of course is the religion of invitation. Of course is the religion of invitation. Of course of course not, you know, First of course not, you know, First of course not, you know, First Amendment." I'm going to talk about that Amendment." I'm going to talk about that Amendment." I'm going to talk about that here in a second. Others of you, here in a second. Others of you, here in a second. Others of you, honestly, even as I say it, I'm going to honestly, even as I say it, I'm going to honestly, even as I say it, I'm going to get to what what precipitated this here get to what what precipitated this here get to what what precipitated this here in a second. Others of you, you're in a second. Others of you, you're in a second. Others of you, you're going, uh going, uh going, uh duh.

duh. duh. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You're going like, you know, like I'm a >> You're going like, you know, like I'm a >> You're going like, you know, like I'm a dumb rural Kentucky kid with a Bible on dumb rural Kentucky kid with a Bible on dumb rural Kentucky kid with a Bible on my lap and we're like kind of against my lap and we're like kind of against my lap and we're like kind of against demon worship and you know, overtaking demon worship and you know, overtaking demon worship and you know, overtaking cities where my grandkids got to grow cities where my grandkids got to grow cities where my grandkids got to grow up. Like duh, idiot. Like that's some of up. Like duh, idiot. Like that's some of up. Like duh, idiot. Like that's some of you. So like let me just start out. you. So like let me just start out. you. So like let me just start out. There is actually a tension here that I There is actually a tension here that I There is actually a tension here that I think Christians are trying to figure think Christians are trying to figure think Christians are trying to figure out what the heck do I think about this? out what the heck do I think about this? out what the heck do I think about this? Um and it precipitated things like this. Um and it precipitated things like this. Um and it precipitated things like this. So So So uh this I'll read the headline and then uh this I'll read the headline and then uh this I'll read the headline and then Carlos, I'm going to volun-told you to Carlos, I'm going to volun-told you to Carlos, I'm going to volun-told you to explain what precipitated explain what precipitated explain what precipitated >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, of course. I'd love to. >> Yeah, of course. I'd love to. >> Yeah, of course. I'd love to. >> Okay. So this what happened in McKinney, >> Okay. So this what happened in McKinney, >> Okay. So this what happened in McKinney, which we may or may not have a campus which we may or may not have a campus which we may or may not have a campus coming in McKinney soon, you know, may coming in McKinney soon, you know, may coming in McKinney soon, you know, may or may not. or may not. or may not. Uh recently literally has become Uh recently literally has become Uh recently literally has become national news. national news. national news. Which has precipitated in people asking Which has precipitated in people asking Which has precipitated in people asking this question. Here's what it is. Here this question. Here's what it is. Here this question. Here's what it is. Here Now here's how it was framed by very um Now here's how it was framed by very um Now here's how it was framed by very um sort of progressive secular uh out sort of progressive secular uh out sort of progressive secular uh out outlet. Uh how quote anti-Sharia, that's outlet. Uh how quote anti-Sharia, that's outlet. Uh how quote anti-Sharia, that's in scare quotes, it's like mocking the in scare quotes, it's like mocking the in scare quotes, it's like mocking the people who said that, Crusaders, another people who said that, Crusaders, another people who said that, Crusaders, another word that's a bit of a scare word, word that's a bit of a scare word, word that's a bit of a scare word, uh turned a city council meeting into uh turned a city council meeting into uh turned a city council meeting into pure chaos. The subtitle, City Council pure chaos. The subtitle, City Council pure chaos. The subtitle, City Council members unanimously approved the members unanimously approved the members unanimously approved the expansion of a nearly 30-year-old mosque expansion of a nearly 30-year-old mosque expansion of a nearly 30-year-old mosque over the Ah, yeah, that's mostly true.

over the Ah, yeah, that's mostly true. over the Ah, yeah, that's mostly true. Over the objections of angry residents Over the objections of angry residents Over the objections of angry residents riled up by right-wing messaging. riled up by right-wing messaging. riled up by right-wing messaging. Da da da da. That's how it was framed. Da da da da. That's how it was framed. Da da da da. That's how it was framed. Now uh Carlos, you want to give the Now uh Carlos, you want to give the Now uh Carlos, you want to give the quick Do you or do you just want me to quick Do you or do you just want me to quick Do you or do you just want me to go to the clip that explains it? go to the clip that explains it? go to the clip that explains it? >> Uh no, no, go ahead. You keep keep >> Uh no, no, go ahead. You keep keep >> Uh no, no, go ahead. You keep keep going. Hold on. Hold on. going. Hold on. Hold on. going. Hold on. Hold on. >> Bro, freaking Grok is not loading. >> Bro, freaking Grok is not loading. >> Bro, freaking Grok is not loading. >> [laughter] >> He was like, yeah. >> He was like, yeah. >> I was like, great. >> I was like, great. >> I was like, great. >> I'm already to give it to you. >> I'm already to give it to you. >> I'm already to give it to you. >> I was going to get them. Freaking Grok's >> I was going to get them. Freaking Grok's >> I was going to get them. Freaking Grok's taking forever. taking forever. taking forever. >> script is not loading, guys. >> script is not loading, guys. >> script is not loading, guys. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I mean, I could try, but you know, I >> I mean, I could try, but you know, I >> I mean, I could try, but you know, I >> Man, that's You know that's how I write >> Man, that's You know that's how I write >> Man, that's You know that's how I write all my sermons. all my sermons. all my sermons. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's not true. That is >> That's not true. That is >> That's not true. That is >> That is definitely not true. >> That is definitely not true. >> That is definitely not true. >> joke. >> joke. >> joke. >> Okay, actually, I'll just Here it is. >> Okay, actually, I'll just Here it is. >> Okay, actually, I'll just Here it is. >> Yeah, go ahead. Let's go ahead. >> Yeah, go ahead. Let's go ahead. >> Yeah, go ahead. Let's go ahead. >> So, this [laughter] is >> So, this [laughter] is >> So, this [laughter] is This is CBS News. I'm not going to play This is CBS News. I'm not going to play This is CBS News. I'm not going to play the whole thing. Here's just a quick the whole thing. Here's just a quick the whole thing. Here's just a quick setup. setup. setup. >> That's a great setup, yeah. >> That's a great setup, yeah. >> That's a great setup, yeah. >> Starting in McKinney tonight, this is >> Starting in McKinney tonight, this is >> Starting in McKinney tonight, this is where neighbors argued tonight where neighbors argued tonight where neighbors argued tonight full-throated over plans to build a new full-throated over plans to build a new full-throated over plans to build a new mosque. And it all kicked off when a US mosque. And it all kicked off when a US mosque. And it all kicked off when a US Congressman chimed in. You heard him at Congressman chimed in. You heard him at Congressman chimed in. You heard him at the top there. The property, as it's the top there. The property, as it's the top there. The property, as it's proposed, would sit right near Virginia proposed, would sit right near Virginia proposed, would sit right near Virginia Parkway and Crutcher Crossing. The Parkway and Crutcher Crossing. The Parkway and Crutcher Crossing. The McKinney [clears throat] Islamic McKinney [clears throat] Islamic McKinney [clears throat] Islamic Association says it wants to build a Association says it wants to build a Association says it wants to build a dedicated prayer area, gym, classrooms, dedicated prayer area, gym, classrooms, dedicated prayer area, gym, classrooms, cafeteria, and a community space. The cafeteria, and a community space. The cafeteria, and a community space. The group wants to develop the new property group wants to develop the new property group wants to develop the new property to accommodate their growing community, to accommodate their growing community, to accommodate their growing community, they say.

they say. they say. >> now pause. So, that I mean, that's a >> now pause. So, that I mean, that's a >> now pause. So, that I mean, that's a good general overview. Now, wait, good general overview. Now, wait, good general overview. Now, wait, Trinity. I'm going to ask you to click Trinity. I'm going to ask you to click Trinity. I'm going to ask you to click forward here in a second, so just stay forward here in a second, so just stay forward here in a second, so just stay right there. So, what's happening right there. So, what's happening right there. So, what's happening What happened that became national like What happened that became national like What happened that became national like mega viral, you know, mega viral, you know, mega viral, you know, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> very much national news. I'm going to >> very much national news. I'm going to >> very much national news. I'm going to let you just honestly click to like let you just honestly click to like let you just honestly click to like wherever you want about three quarters wherever you want about three quarters wherever you want about three quarters of the way through the video because I of the way through the video because I of the way through the video because I just want to show people how contentious just want to show people how contentious just want to show people how contentious it became. it became. it became. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> 5.6 acres, three buildings. It was going >> 5.6 acres, three buildings. It was going >> 5.6 acres, three buildings. It was going to be a mosque It is going to be mosque, to be a mosque It is going to be mosque, to be a mosque It is going to be mosque, classrooms, gymnasium. At the city classrooms, gymnasium. At the city classrooms, gymnasium. At the city council meeting, which you're going to council meeting, which you're going to council meeting, which you're going to see in about 30 seconds, became see in about 30 seconds, became see in about 30 seconds, became extremely contentious. And let me just extremely contentious. And let me just extremely contentious. And let me just get this out there. get this out there. get this out there. There were some Christians there who did There were some Christians there who did There were some Christians there who did not conduct themselves like disciples of not conduct themselves like disciples of not conduct themselves like disciples of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Now, let me just get that out there. >> Now, let me just get that out there. >> Now, let me just get that out there. I watched some of the stuff and I'm I watched some of the stuff and I'm I watched some of the stuff and I'm like, "Hey, man, like, "Hey, man, like, "Hey, man, that that is not That's not team That's that that is not That's not team That's that that is not That's not team That's not team Jesus' character, even if you not team Jesus' character, even if you not team Jesus' character, even if you convictions that you felt were on the on convictions that you felt were on the on convictions that you felt were on the on the right way. the right way. the right way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It ended up there were over 100 speakers >> It ended up there were over 100 speakers >> It ended up there were over 100 speakers at the thing. It lasted for 4 hours. at the thing. It lasted for 4 hours. at the thing. It lasted for 4 hours. Uh and the background on it is this Now, Uh and the background on it is this Now, Uh and the background on it is this Now, actually, just like I don't know, like actually, just like I don't know, like actually, just like I don't know, like right there. The dude right there.

right there. The dude right there. right there. The dude right there. >> American >> American >> American >> Now, really quick, pause, pause, pause, >> Now, really quick, pause, pause, pause, >> Now, really quick, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. You're going to see a pause, pause. You're going to see a pause, pause. You're going to see a video Sorry, Tré. video Sorry, Tré. video Sorry, Tré. You're going to see a video. Look at the You're going to see a video. Look at the You're going to see a video. Look at the dude in the front row left, white shirt, dude in the front row left, white shirt, dude in the front row left, white shirt, long hair. long hair. long hair. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I'm going to play a video this guy. That >> I'm going to play a video this guy. That >> I'm going to play a video this guy. That guy is the thing that went like the most guy is the thing that went like the most guy is the thing that went like the most mega viral. That guy came to this mega viral. That guy came to this mega viral. That guy came to this meeting because he is an Iranian meeting because he is an Iranian meeting because he is an Iranian Christian that escaped some, you know, Christian that escaped some, you know, Christian that escaped some, you know, Islamic leadership in his home country. Islamic leadership in his home country. Islamic leadership in his home country. And what he said, it honestly kind of it And what he said, it honestly kind of it And what he said, it honestly kind of it shook folks. So, what just watch that shook folks. So, what just watch that shook folks. So, what just watch that guy as this guy that's talking. I guy as this guy that's talking. I guy as this guy that's talking. I watched this whole clip. The guy that's watched this whole clip. The guy that's watched this whole clip. The guy that's talking is actually speaking in favor of talking is actually speaking in favor of talking is actually speaking in favor of the of the proposal. Now, just play a the of the proposal. Now, just play a the of the proposal. Now, just play a couple seconds. We don't need to play couple seconds. We don't need to play couple seconds. We don't need to play the whole thing. the whole thing. the whole thing. >> Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Islamic >> Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Islamic >> Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Islamic Association, Sharia is understood as a Association, Sharia is understood as a Association, Sharia is understood as a personal religious framework that guides personal religious framework that guides personal religious framework that guides prayer, fasting, charity, marriage, prayer, fasting, charity, marriage, prayer, fasting, charity, marriage, family life, and personal ethics. family life, and personal ethics. family life, and personal ethics. >> Yeah, watch the Iranian guy. He's saying >> Yeah, watch the Iranian guy. He's saying >> Yeah, watch the Iranian guy. He's saying that's a lie. That's a lie. that's a lie. That's a lie. that's a lie. That's a lie. >> And every culture >> And every culture >> And every culture have its extremists and radicals, and have its extremists and radicals, and have its extremists and radicals, and they should be condemned wherever they they should be condemned wherever they they should be condemned wherever they exist. But, that is not who we're exist. But, that is not who we're exist. But, that is not who we're talking about. talking about. talking about. >> for that note. You can kind of get the >> for that note. You can kind of get the >> for that note. You can kind of get the vibe like it got a little rowdy. And let vibe like it got a little rowdy. And let vibe like it got a little rowdy. And let me just say, we just covered in our last me just say, we just covered in our last me just say, we just covered in our last episode, I do just want to gently say to episode, I do just want to gently say to episode, I do just want to gently say to Christians, we are commanded in the book Christians, we are commanded in the book Christians, we are commanded in the book of 2 Timothy to, quote, correct of 2 Timothy to, quote, correct of 2 Timothy to, quote, correct opponents with gentleness and respect.

opponents with gentleness and respect. opponents with gentleness and respect. And to be people who conduct ourselves And to be people who conduct ourselves And to be people who conduct ourselves with a spirit of power and of love and with a spirit of power and of love and with a spirit of power and of love and of self-control. of self-control. of self-control. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, that's just a gentle thing. >> So, that's just a gentle thing. >> So, that's just a gentle thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Now, uh the reason, if you're not >> Okay. Now, uh the reason, if you're not >> Okay. Now, uh the reason, if you're not from Texas, like some people are going from Texas, like some people are going from Texas, like some people are going to even wonder why they doing an episode to even wonder why they doing an episode to even wonder why they doing an episode about this. If you're not from Texas, about this. If you're not from Texas, about this. If you're not from Texas, because of significant Muslim because of significant Muslim because of significant Muslim immigration, somebody look up immigration, somebody look up immigration, somebody look up >> [laughter] >> Go ahead, Tré. Go ahead. >> Go ahead, Tré. Go ahead. >> Somebody look up the estimated number of >> Somebody look up the estimated number of >> Somebody look up the estimated number of uh of immigrants from Islamic countries, uh of immigrants from Islamic countries, uh of immigrants from Islamic countries, like, I don't know do like the last 20 like, I don't know do like the last 20 like, I don't know do like the last 20 years in the DFW area. years in the DFW area. years in the DFW area. Good luck with that. Good luck with that. Good luck with that. >> I got it. >> I got it. >> I got it. >> The reason that this is becoming a big >> The reason that this is becoming a big >> The reason that this is becoming a big thing especially in Dallas go ahead and thing especially in Dallas go ahead and thing especially in Dallas go ahead and toss that picture up. I've showed this toss that picture up. I've showed this toss that picture up. I've showed this on the Raymond Ibrahim episode which was on the Raymond Ibrahim episode which was on the Raymond Ibrahim episode which was fascinating. The reason it's becoming a fascinating. The reason it's becoming a fascinating. The reason it's becoming a thing is all that is that's the number thing is all that is that's the number thing is all that is that's the number of new mosques in the Dallas area from of new mosques in the Dallas area from of new mosques in the Dallas area from what I understand those are just the what I understand those are just the what I understand those are just the ones that have been constructed or ones that have been constructed or ones that have been constructed or renovated in the last 3 years. renovated in the last 3 years. renovated in the last 3 years. So it's becoming like So it's becoming like So it's becoming like a thing. There are actually two a thing. There are actually two a thing. There are actually two church church church church buildings that once were church buildings that once were church buildings that once were significant churches significant churches significant churches that have been purchased and then become that have been purchased and then become that have been purchased and then become mosques. So mosques. So mosques. So this is resulting in a bunch of people this is resulting in a bunch of people this is resulting in a bunch of people asking a bunch of questions. What do you asking a bunch of questions. What do you asking a bunch of questions. What do you got?

got? got? >> population estimates there's technically >> population estimates there's technically >> population estimates there's technically no official census regarding this but no official census regarding this but no official census regarding this but this is what data says 2000 roughly this is what data says 2000 roughly this is what data says 2000 roughly 115,000 115,000 115,000 people in the DFW area. people in the DFW area. people in the DFW area. >> In 2015? >> In 2015? >> In 2015? >> In the year 2000 and in 2010 >> In the year 2000 and in 2010 >> In the year 2000 and in 2010 400,000 400,000 400,000 2020 300,000 current range between 2020 300,000 current range between 2020 300,000 current range between 340,000 and 500,000 depending on the 340,000 and 500,000 depending on the 340,000 and 500,000 depending on the source. source. source. >> Now let me put that in perspective. So >> Now let me put that in perspective. So >> Now let me put that in perspective. So let's [clears throat] say it's half a let's [clears throat] say it's half a let's [clears throat] say it's half a million. million. million. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To put that in perspective the total >> To put that in perspective the total >> To put that in perspective the total total estimated population of the DFW total estimated population of the DFW total estimated population of the DFW area is 7 million. So that's one out of area is 7 million. So that's one out of area is 7 million. So that's one out of every 14 people if my math is correct every 14 people if my math is correct every 14 people if my math is correct and my mom's a math teacher so I hope I and my mom's a math teacher so I hope I and my mom's a math teacher so I hope I hope I got it I hope I got it right. hope I got it I hope I got it right. hope I got it I hope I got it right. Okay. So here's the question. Okay. So here's the question. Okay. So here's the question. The Christians that showed up at that The Christians that showed up at that The Christians that showed up at that meeting did they do the right thing or meeting did they do the right thing or meeting did they do the right thing or did they do did they do did they do posture aside. posture aside. posture aside. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The question we're trying to answer is >> The question we're trying to answer is >> The question we're trying to answer is did they do the right thing or did did did they do the right thing or did did did they do the right thing or did did they do the wrong thing? they do the wrong thing? they do the wrong thing? Now Now Now I'm going to I do have spot in the land I'm going to I do have spot in the land I'm going to I do have spot in the land and I'm not an idiot I know that and I'm not an idiot I know that and I'm not an idiot I know that wherever that is will be a smidge wherever that is will be a smidge wherever that is will be a smidge controversial.

controversial. controversial. So can I can I just take a few minutes So can I can I just take a few minutes So can I can I just take a few minutes and kind of walk through some of the and kind of walk through some of the and kind of walk through some of the tensions? Do you guys want to set up any tensions? Do you guys want to set up any tensions? Do you guys want to set up any of the other tensions that you think are of the other tensions that you think are of the other tensions that you think are here? here? here? >> Let us you do it first. No, there's but >> Let us you do it first. No, there's but >> Let us you do it first. No, there's but you you hit the tension well in terms of you you hit the tension well in terms of you you hit the tension well in terms of man, there's religious liberty and man, there's religious liberty and man, there's religious liberty and that's not just because of honestly that's not just because of honestly that's not just because of honestly first amendment. Like again, this is a first amendment. Like again, this is a first amendment. Like again, this is a long sitting Christian conviction. Like long sitting Christian conviction. Like long sitting Christian conviction. Like you said, we're a faith that does not you said, we're a faith that does not you said, we're a faith that does not impose, we invite. And so there there's impose, we invite. And so there there's impose, we invite. And so there there's that stuff there. Um but then also that stuff there. Um but then also that stuff there. Um but then also again, I think the posture is man, we've again, I think the posture is man, we've again, I think the posture is man, we've seen seen seen in addition to just the fact that we in addition to just the fact that we in addition to just the fact that we should oppose any kind of demonic should oppose any kind of demonic should oppose any kind of demonic worship, any kind of false worship. Man, worship, any kind of false worship. Man, worship, any kind of false worship. Man, we have seen now thousands of years of we have seen now thousands of years of we have seen now thousands of years of history of what happens when Muslims do history of what happens when Muslims do history of what happens when Muslims do eventually become the majority of a eventually become the majority of a eventually become the majority of a nation. nation. nation. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Because they then do impose. And so >> Because they then do impose. And so >> Because they then do impose. And so well, I also see this not just the sense well, I also see this not just the sense well, I also see this not just the sense of like man, should we take a stand of like man, should we take a stand of like man, should we take a stand because we want to stand against false because we want to stand against false because we want to stand against false worship, but also just practically and worship, but also just practically and worship, but also just practically and strategically for our kids and our strategically for our kids and our strategically for our kids and our grandkids and great grandkids future and grandkids and great grandkids future and grandkids and great grandkids future and so on and so forth. So, there's some so on and so forth. So, there's some so on and so forth. So, there's some tensions here and it's how do we resolve tensions here and it's how do we resolve tensions here and it's how do we resolve tensions? So, tensions? So, tensions? So, >> Yeah, Pastor Jeff, you also talked about >> Yeah, Pastor Jeff, you also talked about >> Yeah, Pastor Jeff, you also talked about the difference between the role of the the difference between the role of the the difference between the role of the individual and the role of government. individual and the role of government. individual and the role of government. >> This is going to be huge thing right >> This is going to be huge thing right >> This is going to be huge thing right here, what you just said.

here, what you just said. here, what you just said. >> what we're talking about right now, it >> what we're talking about right now, it >> what we're talking about right now, it it feels like there's a little bit of it feels like there's a little bit of it feels like there's a little bit of also like a an overlap between those two also like a an overlap between those two also like a an overlap between those two roles and so this is where the tension roles and so this is where the tension roles and so this is where the tension happens is like well, you know, should happens is like well, you know, should happens is like well, you know, should Christians in some ways uh Christians in some ways uh Christians in some ways uh leverage government to help in this case leverage government to help in this case leverage government to help in this case stop the building of or the expansion of stop the building of or the expansion of stop the building of or the expansion of these mosques or not because of what these mosques or not because of what these mosques or not because of what you're about to explain. you're about to explain. you're about to explain. >> Yeah. Let me just set this up and let me >> Yeah. Let me just set this up and let me >> Yeah. Let me just set this up and let me start I'm going to start working through start I'm going to start working through start I'm going to start working through some concepts and let me just say if some concepts and let me just say if some concepts and let me just say if you're a Christian, um whether you like you're a Christian, um whether you like you're a Christian, um whether you like it or not, you are going to have to it or not, you are going to have to it or not, you are going to have to learn to think about things like this in learn to think about things like this in learn to think about things like this in the next 20 years. the next 20 years. the next 20 years. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You are no longer afforded the luxury of >> You are no longer afforded the luxury of >> You are no longer afforded the luxury of not having an answer to this question. not having an answer to this question. not having an answer to this question. It's interesting dude, I was talking to It's interesting dude, I was talking to It's interesting dude, I was talking to uh uh uh I won't say his name because I I don't I won't say his name because I I don't I won't say his name because I I don't have permission, but I was talking have permission, but I was talking have permission, but I was talking texting with one of the honestly one of texting with one of the honestly one of texting with one of the honestly one of the most prominent pastors in America in the most prominent pastors in America in the most prominent pastors in America in the last let's say 20 years last night the last let's say 20 years last night the last let's say 20 years last night and he was saying to me, he's like, hey and he was saying to me, he's like, hey and he was saying to me, he's like, hey man, like when I first started kind of man, like when I first started kind of man, like when I first started kind of doing this thing 30 years ago, doing this thing 30 years ago, doing this thing 30 years ago, uh pastors weren't they didn't even know uh pastors weren't they didn't even know uh pastors weren't they didn't even know really how to preach a sermon about really how to preach a sermon about really how to preach a sermon about somebody that struggled with same-sex somebody that struggled with same-sex somebody that struggled with same-sex attraction or you know, how do I do I go attraction or you know, how do I do I go attraction or you know, how do I do I go to a gay wedding? They didn't even know.

to a gay wedding? They didn't even know. to a gay wedding? They didn't even know. Nobody that thing wasn't a thing. Nobody that thing wasn't a thing. Nobody that thing wasn't a thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he said, "Man, when I started, you >> And he said, "Man, when I started, you >> And he said, "Man, when I started, you know, doing my thing in the pulpit." He know, doing my thing in the pulpit." He know, doing my thing in the pulpit." He was like, "What I realized was, was like, "What I realized was, was like, "What I realized was, uh, uh, uh, pastors were answering questions nobody pastors were answering questions nobody pastors were answering questions nobody was asking anymore and they weren't was asking anymore and they weren't was asking anymore and they weren't prepared to answer the questions prepared to answer the questions prepared to answer the questions everybody was asking now." everybody was asking now." everybody was asking now." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And honestly, man, I kind of feel like >> And honestly, man, I kind of feel like >> And honestly, man, I kind of feel like we're at a juncture in our culture where we're at a juncture in our culture where we're at a juncture in our culture where there's some new questions getting there's some new questions getting there's some new questions getting thrown at you. You do not have the thrown at you. You do not have the thrown at you. You do not have the luxury of not having an answer to these luxury of not having an answer to these luxury of not having an answer to these questions anymore. questions anymore. questions anymore. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, let me start walking through these >> So, let me start walking through these >> So, let me start walking through these things. Okay, number one. things. Okay, number one. things. Okay, number one. Uh, we're going to begin here with a Uh, we're going to begin here with a Uh, we're going to begin here with a legal question. Okay, on this and I'll legal question. Okay, on this and I'll legal question. Okay, on this and I'll this I did more research for this little this I did more research for this little this I did more research for this little bonus episode than probably was healthy. bonus episode than probably was healthy. bonus episode than probably was healthy. I just got interested. First of all, I just got interested. First of all, I just got interested. First of all, uh, uh, uh, principle. The question isn't only what principle. The question isn't only what principle. The question isn't only what is legal for a Christian when they're is legal for a Christian when they're is legal for a Christian when they're evaluating things. evaluating things. evaluating things. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I'll point this out both slavery and >> I'll point this out both slavery and >> I'll point this out both slavery and abortion via Roe v. Wade federally, uh, abortion via Roe v. Wade federally, uh, abortion via Roe v. Wade federally, uh, were legal for enormous parts of our were legal for enormous parts of our were legal for enormous parts of our nation's history. nation's history. nation's history. Uh, Christians did not just sit around Uh, Christians did not just sit around Uh, Christians did not just sit around and go, "Well, you know what? Give it to and go, "Well, you know what? Give it to and go, "Well, you know what? Give it to Caesar what's Caesar's. Submit to a Caesar what's Caesar's. Submit to a Caesar what's Caesar's. Submit to a governing authority." No, no.

governing authority." No, no. governing authority." No, no. Christians wisely went, "Oh, that's an Christians wisely went, "Oh, that's an Christians wisely went, "Oh, that's an unjust and ungodly law." Martin Luther unjust and ungodly law." Martin Luther unjust and ungodly law." Martin Luther King Jr. by the way, in the letter to, King Jr. by the way, in the letter to, King Jr. by the way, in the letter to, uh, it's, uh, Letters from Birmingham uh, it's, uh, Letters from Birmingham uh, it's, uh, Letters from Birmingham Jail, he specifically correctly points Jail, he specifically correctly points Jail, he specifically correctly points out that laws are only, out that laws are only, out that laws are only, um, valid to the degree that they um, valid to the degree that they um, valid to the degree that they reflect the laws of God. reflect the laws of God. reflect the laws of God. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, >> So, >> So, you know, we've with Roe v. Wade and you know, we've with Roe v. Wade and you know, we've with Roe v. Wade and slavery, we worked for 50 years to slavery, we worked for 50 years to slavery, we worked for 50 years to overcome what was federally legal and we overcome what was federally legal and we overcome what was federally legal and we fought a war to overcome what was fought a war to overcome what was fought a war to overcome what was federally legal. So, for Christians the federally legal. So, for Christians the federally legal. So, for Christians the question is not only what is legal now. question is not only what is legal now. question is not only what is legal now. Uh, any anything there? We good? Uh, any anything there? We good? Uh, any anything there? We good? >> Perfect. >> Perfect. >> Perfect. >> Okay, you're in a spot. You can you guys >> Okay, you're in a spot. You can you guys >> Okay, you're in a spot. You can you guys interject when you would like. interject when you would like. interject when you would like. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, here's the misconception. Um, uh, >> Now, here's the misconception. Um, uh, >> Now, here's the misconception. Um, uh, what makes this legal? What what goes what makes this legal? What what goes what makes this legal? What what goes into this? So, here's a misconception. into this? So, here's a misconception. into this? So, here's a misconception. What some people would say is, "Man, What some people would say is, "Man, What some people would say is, "Man, Josh, this is the United States of Josh, this is the United States of Josh, this is the United States of America. America. America. Um, we have the First Amendment, which Um, we have the First Amendment, which Um, we have the First Amendment, which I'm going to read here in a second. And I'm going to read here in a second. And I'm going to read here in a second. And in America, uh, we believe in religious in America, uh, we believe in religious in America, uh, we believe in religious liberty, which means we treat all liberty, which means we treat all liberty, which means we treat all religions equally." religions equally." religions equally." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Let me just go ahead and get this out, >> Let me just go ahead and get this out, >> Let me just go ahead and get this out, and this this is where, uh, people will and this this is where, uh, people will and this this is where, uh, people will disagree with me, and and they can be disagree with me, and and they can be disagree with me, and and they can be wrong.

wrong. wrong. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Uh, that is not what the First >> Uh, that is not what the First >> Uh, that is not what the First Amendment, uh, originally was intended Amendment, uh, originally was intended Amendment, uh, originally was intended to say. So, let me read this to you. to say. So, let me read this to you. to say. So, let me read this to you. This is the First Amendment. This is the First Amendment. This is the First Amendment. So, what I'm doing right now is I'm So, what I'm doing right now is I'm So, what I'm doing right now is I'm trying to logically walk you through the trying to logically walk you through the trying to logically walk you through the progression of thought that leads to an progression of thought that leads to an progression of thought that leads to an intelligent Christian answer to this intelligent Christian answer to this intelligent Christian answer to this question, okay? The First Amendment question, okay? The First Amendment question, okay? The First Amendment reads this. It says, "Congress reads this. It says, "Congress reads this. It says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an shall make no law respecting an shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or establishment of religion, or establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." prohibiting the free exercise thereof." prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Okay? Now, the misconception is, "Oh, Okay? Now, the misconception is, "Oh, Okay? Now, the misconception is, "Oh, hey Josh, that means in America, we have hey Josh, that means in America, we have hey Josh, that means in America, we have to treat all religions equally with no to treat all religions equally with no to treat all religions equally with no favorites." Okay? Now, if you want to favorites." Okay? Now, if you want to favorites." Okay? Now, if you want to deep dive on this, you need to go listen deep dive on this, you need to go listen deep dive on this, you need to go listen to the two episodes with Tim Barton. to the two episodes with Tim Barton. to the two episodes with Tim Barton. Uh, the concept of the United States Uh, the concept of the United States Uh, the concept of the United States government treating all world religions government treating all world religions government treating all world religions equally with no favorites, equally with no favorites, equally with no favorites, my brother in Christ, that has it is my brother in Christ, that has it is my brother in Christ, that has it is simply a-historical. It's like not a simply a-historical. It's like not a simply a-historical. It's like not a thing. And I this is we could spend thing. And I this is we could spend thing. And I this is we could spend entire episodes just on this. I'll just entire episodes just on this. I'll just entire episodes just on this. I'll just rapid-fire some things.

rapid-fire some things. rapid-fire some things. These are after the establishment of the These are after the establishment of the These are after the establishment of the First Amendment. Uh, 11 of the 13 states First Amendment. Uh, 11 of the 13 states First Amendment. Uh, 11 of the 13 states in the original 13 colonies had official in the original 13 colonies had official in the original 13 colonies had official state churches. 11 of the 13. state churches. 11 of the 13. state churches. 11 of the 13. Um, Del- I'm just going to I'll just do Um, Del- I'm just going to I'll just do Um, Del- I'm just going to I'll just do this for this is just fun for me. For this for this is just fun for me. For this for this is just fun for me. For instance, Delaware, instance, Delaware, instance, Delaware, uh, Delaware state constitution, I'm uh, Delaware state constitution, I'm uh, Delaware state constitution, I'm going to read it to you. going to read it to you. going to read it to you. "Every person who shall be chosen a "Every person who shall be chosen a "Every person who shall be chosen a member of either house, or appointed to member of either house, or appointed to member of either house, or appointed to any office or place of trust, any office or place of trust, any office or place of trust, shall make and subscribe the following shall make and subscribe the following shall make and subscribe the following declaration." Bro, this is going to blow declaration." Bro, this is going to blow declaration." Bro, this is going to blow your mind. I, name, your mind. I, name, your mind. I, name, do profess faith in God the Father and do profess faith in God the Father and do profess faith in God the Father and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, and the in Jesus Christ, His only Son, and the in Jesus Christ, His only Son, and the Holy Ghost, one God blessed forever, and Holy Ghost, one God blessed forever, and Holy Ghost, one God blessed forever, and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by the Old and New Testament to be given by the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration. divine inspiration. divine inspiration. So, in order to hold public office in So, in order to hold public office in So, in order to hold public office in Delaware, Delaware, Delaware, you had to do that. Uh here's you had to do that. Uh here's you had to do that. Uh here's Pennsylvania and I won't I won't belabor Pennsylvania and I won't I won't belabor Pennsylvania and I won't I won't belabor this. this. this. Uh Uh Uh to hold public office, you had to swear, to hold public office, you had to swear, to hold public office, you had to swear, I do believe in one God, the creator and I do believe in one God, the creator and I do believe in one God, the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder governor of the universe, the rewarder governor of the universe, the rewarder of the good, and the punisher of the of the good, and the punisher of the of the good, and the punisher of the wicked, and I acknowledge the scriptures wicked, and I acknowledge the scriptures wicked, and I acknowledge the scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be of the Old and New Testaments to be of the Old and New Testaments to be given by divine inspiration. By the way, given by divine inspiration. By the way, given by divine inspiration. By the way, Benjamin Franklin helped write that.

Benjamin Franklin helped write that. Benjamin Franklin helped write that. I'll just say that. You got stuff like I'll just say that. You got stuff like I'll just say that. You got stuff like What I'm trying to do here in just a What I'm trying to do here in just a What I'm trying to do here in just a quick riff is help a Christian listener quick riff is help a Christian listener quick riff is help a Christian listener understand understand understand the government has all caps not the government has all caps not the government has all caps not historically interpreted the First historically interpreted the First historically interpreted the First Amendment to mean we treat all religions Amendment to mean we treat all religions Amendment to mean we treat all religions equally. It has not done that. equally. It has not done that. equally. It has not done that. Um up until Dude, I think it was the Um up until Dude, I think it was the Um up until Dude, I think it was the mid-1900s or I actually I think this mid-1900s or I actually I think this mid-1900s or I actually I think this actually went up past World War II. actually went up past World War II. actually went up past World War II. We had blasphemy laws on the books that We had blasphemy laws on the books that We had blasphemy laws on the books that prosecuted people for blasphemy against prosecuted people for blasphemy against prosecuted people for blasphemy against Jesus Christ. They did not prosecute Jesus Christ. They did not prosecute Jesus Christ. They did not prosecute black people for blasphemy against any black people for blasphemy against any black people for blasphemy against any God. God. God. For Jesus Christ. We had what uh like For Jesus Christ. We had what uh like For Jesus Christ. We had what uh like bro, like some of us like we were alive bro, like some of us like we were alive bro, like some of us like we were alive when some of this stuff happened. Our when some of this stuff happened. Our when some of this stuff happened. Our parents There were what's called blue parents There were what's called blue parents There were what's called blue laws. Do you know what a blue law is, laws. Do you know what a blue law is, laws. Do you know what a blue law is, Paul? Paul? Paul? >> It's not alcohol? >> It's not alcohol? >> It's not alcohol? >> Blue law Well, >> Blue law Well, >> Blue law Well, >> Sabbath? >> Sabbath? >> Sabbath? >> Blue Sabbath laws. >> Blue Sabbath laws. >> Blue Sabbath laws. >> Oh, Sabbath laws. >> Oh, Sabbath laws. >> Oh, Sabbath laws. >> No, there were obviously we still have >> No, there were obviously we still have >> No, there were obviously we still have pro pro pro he's like Paul's like Paul. pro pro pro he's like Paul's like Paul. pro pro pro he's like Paul's like Paul. >> Hold on. Hold on. I just want to take a >> Hold on. Hold on. I just want to take a >> Hold on. Hold on. I just want to take a moment where I knew the answer moment where I knew the answer moment where I knew the answer [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] to something about US history that Paul to something about US history that Paul to something about US history that Paul Chad Chad Chad Cunningham did not know.

Chad Chad Chad Cunningham did not know. Chad Chad Chad Cunningham did not know. Go ahead. Keep on me. Go ahead. Keep on me. Go ahead. Keep on me. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Brock Brock working a little faster for >> Brock Brock working a little faster for >> Brock Brock working a little faster for you. you. you. >> Brock, I didn't even use >> Brock, I didn't even use >> Brock, I didn't even use >> I'm joking. >> I'm joking. >> I'm joking. >> I'm joking. >> I'm joking. >> I'm joking. >> It's got to be Carlos. >> It's got to be Carlos. >> It's got to be Carlos. >> That's [laughter] that's Okay, keep >> That's [laughter] that's Okay, keep >> That's [laughter] that's Okay, keep going. Keep going. going. Keep going. going. Keep going. >> There were laws on the books till >> There were laws on the books till >> There were laws on the books till actually not when I was alive, but our actually not when I was alive, but our actually not when I was alive, but our parents. 1961 parents. 1961 parents. 1961 >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> legally prohibiting I and dude, I think >> legally prohibiting I and dude, I think >> legally prohibiting I and dude, I think some of these things that residual some of these things that residual some of these things that residual things are still still around for this. things are still still around for this. things are still still around for this. Uh Uh Uh legally prohibiting people from being legally prohibiting people from being legally prohibiting people from being open on the Christian Sabbath in in our open on the Christian Sabbath in in our open on the Christian Sabbath in in our nation. The Supreme Bro, this is the one nation. The Supreme Bro, this is the one nation. The Supreme Bro, this is the one that blows people's minds. I love that blows people's minds. I love that blows people's minds. I love telling people this, it blows their telling people this, it blows their telling people this, it blows their minds. The Supreme Court has ruled minds. The Supreme Court has ruled minds. The Supreme Court has ruled multiple times on the basis of the multiple times on the basis of the multiple times on the basis of the United States quote being a Christian United States quote being a Christian United States quote being a Christian nation. If you want a fun little Google, nation. If you want a fun little Google, nation. If you want a fun little Google, go Google the Holy Trinity versus the go Google the Holy Trinity versus the go Google the Holy Trinity versus the United States. This is a Supreme Court United States. This is a Supreme Court United States. This is a Supreme Court case and they literally based their case and they literally based their case and they literally based their ruling on the sentence this is a ruling on the sentence this is a ruling on the sentence this is a Christian nation. The Supreme Court of Christian nation. The Supreme Court of Christian nation. The Supreme Court of the United States did that. Uh we you the United States did that. Uh we you the United States did that. Uh we you know, we could do this all day. In the know, we could do this all day. In the know, we could do this all day. In the Treaty of Paris that established uh the Treaty of Paris that established uh the Treaty of Paris that established uh the United States as a nation, that was the United States as a nation, that was the United States as a nation, that was the the our treaty with uh with the the the our treaty with uh with the the the our treaty with uh with the the British, British, British, the Treaty of Paris literally begins in the Treaty of Paris literally begins in the Treaty of Paris literally begins in the name of the most holy and undivided the name of the most holy and undivided the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.

Trinity. Trinity. Uh the United States government Uh the United States government Uh the United States government commissioned Christian missionaries to commissioned Christian missionaries to commissioned Christian missionaries to Native American tribes. Thomas Native American tribes. Thomas Native American tribes. Thomas Jefferson's school board, after the Jefferson's school board, after the Jefferson's school board, after the establishment of the First Amendment, establishment of the First Amendment, establishment of the First Amendment, chose the Bible and Isaac Watts hymnal chose the Bible and Isaac Watts hymnal chose the Bible and Isaac Watts hymnal as the primary text they would use to as the primary text they would use to as the primary text they would use to teach kids how to read. So, anyway, all teach kids how to read. So, anyway, all teach kids how to read. So, anyway, all I'm pointing out is I'm pointing out is I'm pointing out is the First Amendment was not What are you the First Amendment was not What are you the First Amendment was not What are you smiling at? smiling at? smiling at? >> No, no, I'm I'm learning. >> No, no, I'm I'm learning. >> No, no, I'm I'm learning. >> All right, thank you. >> All right, thank you. >> All right, thank you. >> This is good stuff, bro. >> This is good stuff, bro. >> This is good stuff, bro. >> All right, that's good. >> All right, that's good. >> All right, that's good. >> Keep going. >> Keep going. >> Keep going. >> The First Amendment was that's not what >> The First Amendment was that's not what >> The First Amendment was that's not what it meant, okay? So, here here's my it meant, okay? So, here here's my it meant, okay? So, here here's my point. The key to understanding again, point. The key to understanding again, point. The key to understanding again, all this I'm trying to walk you through all this I'm trying to walk you through all this I'm trying to walk you through this as a Christian. this as a Christian. this as a Christian. How should I understand legally and How should I understand legally and How should I understand legally and biblically? How do I answer this biblically? How do I answer this biblically? How do I answer this question? Should Christians legally question? Should Christians legally question? Should Christians legally oppose mosques being constructed? Okay. oppose mosques being constructed? Okay. oppose mosques being constructed? Okay. The First [clears throat] Amendment The First [clears throat] Amendment The First [clears throat] Amendment reads this. The first word is Congress reads this. The first word is Congress reads this. The first word is Congress >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> shall make no law respecting an >> shall make no law respecting an >> shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. establishment of religion. establishment of religion. That amendment is about jurisdiction. That amendment is about jurisdiction. That amendment is about jurisdiction. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay, here here's what's important. It >> Okay, here here's what's important. It >> Okay, here here's what's important. It does not say the state of Texas shall does not say the state of Texas shall does not say the state of Texas shall make no law respecting an establishment make no law respecting an establishment make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

of religion. of religion. >> Mhm. It does not say the city of >> Mhm. It does not say the city of >> Mhm. It does not say the city of McKinney shall make no law respecting McKinney shall make no law respecting McKinney shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, okay? So, the establishment of religion, okay? So, the establishment of religion, okay? So, if you kind of if you zoom out, here's if you kind of if you zoom out, here's if you kind of if you zoom out, here's how it's been summarized. The founders how it's been summarized. The founders how it's been summarized. The founders of our nation, they wanted religious of our nation, they wanted religious of our nation, they wanted religious tolerance for all, but religious tolerance for all, but religious tolerance for all, but religious preference for Christianity. It was just preference for Christianity. It was just preference for Christianity. It was just sort of like the background sort of like the background sort of like the background assumption. assumption. assumption. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That Why are there uh laws about the >> That Why are there uh laws about the >> That Why are there uh laws about the Christian Sabbath and not uh Why are Christian Sabbath and not uh Why are Christian Sabbath and not uh Why are there blasphemy laws about Jesus Christ there blasphemy laws about Jesus Christ there blasphemy laws about Jesus Christ and other Why is the you United States and other Why is the you United States and other Why is the you United States Supreme Court saying this is a Christian Supreme Court saying this is a Christian Supreme Court saying this is a Christian nation? What religious tolerance for nation? What religious tolerance for nation? What religious tolerance for all, all, all, but a generalized religious preference but a generalized religious preference but a generalized religious preference for like, "Hey, man, this is like kind for like, "Hey, man, this is like kind for like, "Hey, man, this is like kind of obvious. Look around. This is kind of of obvious. Look around. This is kind of of obvious. Look around. This is kind of a a Christian nation." That's kind of a a Christian nation." That's kind of a a Christian nation." That's kind of what they're doing. Now, what they're doing. Now, what they're doing. Now, all of that changed in 1947, all of that changed in 1947, all of that changed in 1947, okay? Now, I don't want I don't have okay? Now, I don't want I don't have okay? Now, I don't want I don't have time to go into the de- details of this. time to go into the de- details of this. time to go into the de- details of this. Uh By the way, in what I'm getting ready Uh By the way, in what I'm getting ready Uh By the way, in what I'm getting ready to say, dude, I this is not We're not to say, dude, I this is not We're not to say, dude, I this is not We're not trying to get People accuse us of trying to get People accuse us of trying to get People accuse us of getting political. We're just trying to getting political. We're just trying to getting political. We're just trying to ask biblical questions, and we should ask biblical questions, and we should ask biblical questions, and we should apply the whole word of God to the whole apply the whole word of God to the whole apply the whole word of God to the whole world.

world. world. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And that includes uh the civic realm, >> And that includes uh the civic realm, >> And that includes uh the civic realm, right? Okay. right? Okay. right? Okay. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> What I'm getting ready to explain to you >> What I'm getting ready to explain to you >> What I'm getting ready to explain to you is why when people roll their eyes at is why when people roll their eyes at is why when people roll their eyes at you as a Christian for like caring about you as a Christian for like caring about you as a Christian for like caring about elections because presidents appoint elections because presidents appoint elections because presidents appoint Supreme Court justices, Supreme Court justices, Supreme Court justices, if somebody's ever rolled their eyes at if somebody's ever rolled their eyes at if somebody's ever rolled their eyes at you for that, what I'm getting ready to you for that, what I'm getting ready to you for that, what I'm getting ready to explain should make you very firm in explain should make you very firm in explain should make you very firm in your conviction that you're thinking your conviction that you're thinking your conviction that you're thinking correctly. correctly. correctly. All right. So, until 1947, All right. So, until 1947, All right. So, until 1947, people generally understood, in general, people generally understood, in general, people generally understood, in general, if I understand correctly, that the if I understand correctly, that the if I understand correctly, that the First Amendment was just like, "Hey, First Amendment was just like, "Hey, First Amendment was just like, "Hey, man, we don't want to establish a man, we don't want to establish a man, we don't want to establish a national church. We se- seceded's national church. We se- seceded's national church. We se- seceded's probably the wrong word from Britain probably the wrong word from Britain probably the wrong word from Britain because we didn't want a state church, because we didn't want a state church, because we didn't want a state church, and we didn't want like Presbyterians and we didn't want like Presbyterians and we didn't want like Presbyterians fighting wars against Baptists." fighting wars against Baptists." fighting wars against Baptists." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Like, "Hey, >> Like, "Hey, >> Like, "Hey, nine of the 13 states have state nine of the 13 states have state nine of the 13 states have state churches. We don't want Delaware to churches. We don't want Delaware to churches. We don't want Delaware to start fighting Pennsylvania as like a start fighting Pennsylvania as like a start fighting Pennsylvania as like a Anglican versus Presbyterian thing. And Anglican versus Presbyterian thing. And Anglican versus Presbyterian thing. And I don't know if those were But you get I don't know if those were But you get I don't know if those were But you get what I'm saying.

what I'm saying. what I'm saying. All right, now. All right, now. All right, now. There was a court case in 1947 There was a court case in 1947 There was a court case in 1947 called [clears throat] Everson versus called [clears throat] Everson versus called [clears throat] Everson versus the Board of Education. The whole I read the Board of Education. The whole I read the Board of Education. The whole I read I became a total nerd this week and read I became a total nerd this week and read I became a total nerd this week and read all about this. all about this. all about this. There was like a deal where in the state There was like a deal where in the state There was like a deal where in the state of New Jersey they were using state of New Jersey they were using state of New Jersey they were using state money to help transport kids both public money to help transport kids both public money to help transport kids both public to public schools and Catholic schools. to public schools and Catholic schools. to public schools and Catholic schools. And some guy who you know, just And some guy who you know, just And some guy who you know, just had a sideways thing. He like sued the had a sideways thing. He like sued the had a sideways thing. He like sued the government like, "I don't want my tax government like, "I don't want my tax government like, "I don't want my tax money. money. money. No establishment of religion. Our tax No establishment of religion. Our tax No establishment of religion. Our tax money shouldn't be going to get kids to money shouldn't be going to get kids to money shouldn't be going to get kids to Catholic schools." Catholic schools." Catholic schools." >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> And basically what they did >> And basically what they did >> And basically what they did is the Supreme Court in 1947. By the is the Supreme Court in 1947. By the is the Supreme Court in 1947. By the way, there was a Democratic president way, there was a Democratic president way, there was a Democratic president but the part a party I'm talking about but the part a party I'm talking about but the part a party I'm talking about party. FDR FDR did some good awesome party. FDR FDR did some good awesome party. FDR FDR did some good awesome things. Winning World War That's kind of things. Winning World War That's kind of things. Winning World War That's kind of a big win. Like big fan of that. Um but a big win. Like big fan of that. Um but a big win. Like big fan of that. Um but then hey dude, there's some things that then hey dude, there's some things that then hey dude, there's some things that maybe weren't as awesome. Hey, for you maybe weren't as awesome. Hey, for you maybe weren't as awesome. Hey, for you US history buffs uh the New Deal thing US history buffs uh the New Deal thing US history buffs uh the New Deal thing like radically escalated welfare state. like radically escalated welfare state. like radically escalated welfare state. Uh FDR appointed from what I understand Uh FDR appointed from what I understand Uh FDR appointed from what I understand understand seven of the nine. This one understand seven of the nine. This one understand seven of the nine. This one president appointed seven of the nine president appointed seven of the nine president appointed seven of the nine Supreme Court justices that did the Supreme Court justices that did the Supreme Court justices that did the Everson versus Board of Education thing, Everson versus Board of Education thing, Everson versus Board of Education thing, okay?

okay? okay? Now, what that Supreme Court did is in Now, what that Supreme Court did is in Now, what that Supreme Court did is in this ruling they re for the first time this ruling they re for the first time this ruling they re for the first time in American history they reinterpreted in American history they reinterpreted in American history they reinterpreted what the First Amendment meant. what the First Amendment meant. what the First Amendment meant. And and they reinterpreted the And and they reinterpreted the And and they reinterpreted the jurisdiction jurisdiction jurisdiction of where the First Amendment applied. of where the First Amendment applied. of where the First Amendment applied. So, number one, they reinterpreted the So, number one, they reinterpreted the So, number one, they reinterpreted the First Amendment to mean now, from now on First Amendment to mean now, from now on First Amendment to mean now, from now on we're going to treat all world religions we're going to treat all world religions we're going to treat all world religions equally and the government will have no equally and the government will have no equally and the government will have no favoritism toward any favoritism toward any favoritism toward any uh world government. Now, if you're a uh world government. Now, if you're a uh world government. Now, if you're a Christian, I'm just going to speak in a Christian, I'm just going to speak in a Christian, I'm just going to speak in a very blunt way. very blunt way. very blunt way. What that now means is that you're what What that now means is that you're what What that now means is that you're what they they thought that meant is that they they thought that meant is that they they thought that meant is that your government is now legally required your government is now legally required your government is now legally required to treat religions of demons that are to treat religions of demons that are to treat religions of demons that are very very bad for people in societies very very bad for people in societies very very bad for people in societies in the same way that it treats the true in the same way that it treats the true in the same way that it treats the true religion inspired by the Holy Spirit religion inspired by the Holy Spirit religion inspired by the Holy Spirit that is very good for people in that is very good for people in that is very good for people in societies. societies. societies. And then it also reinterpreted the And then it also reinterpreted the And then it also reinterpreted the jurisdiction and it applied the First jurisdiction and it applied the First jurisdiction and it applied the First Amendment to every basically to every Amendment to every basically to every Amendment to every basically to every level level level of jurisprudence in America. So it of jurisprudence in America. So it of jurisprudence in America. So it applied it to states and even local applied it to states and even local applied it to states and even local governments. Now, that one thing, dude, governments. Now, that one thing, dude, governments. Now, that one thing, dude, shaped the religious future of America shaped the religious future of America shaped the religious future of America more than almost anything in US history.

more than almost anything in US history. more than almost anything in US history. Now, let me pause. Any thoughts or Now, let me pause. Any thoughts or Now, let me pause. Any thoughts or questions here? questions here? questions here? >> What year did you say it was? >> What year did you say it was? >> What year did you say it was? >> 1947. >> 1947. >> 1947. >> 1947. >> 1947. >> 1947. >> 1947, okay? We good so far? >> 1947, okay? We good so far? >> 1947, okay? We good so far? >> This is small detail to help people even >> This is small detail to help people even >> This is small detail to help people even understand of like what's going on in understand of like what's going on in understand of like what's going on in McKinney and other places cuz really McKinney and other places cuz really McKinney and other places cuz really this that is about zoning. It's about this that is about zoning. It's about this that is about zoning. It's about zoning. zoning. zoning. >> And so the idea is is like not that >> And so the idea is is like not that >> And so the idea is is like not that they're going to say you can't worship, they're going to say you can't worship, they're going to say you can't worship, but specifically where you can build but specifically where you can build but specifically where you can build what things. And so there's this thing I what things. And so there's this thing I what things. And so there's this thing I looked it up earlier called the looked it up earlier called the looked it up earlier called the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act. Way too long of a thing. Persons Act. Way too long of a thing. Persons Act. Way too long of a thing. They got to shorten these kinds of They got to shorten these kinds of They got to shorten these kinds of things. things. things. >> it's yeah, it's abbreviated RLUIPA or >> it's yeah, it's abbreviated RLUIPA or >> it's yeah, it's abbreviated RLUIPA or something. something. something. >> Yeah, something like that. Basically >> Yeah, something like that. Basically >> Yeah, something like that. Basically though it's a law that prohibits local though it's a law that prohibits local though it's a law that prohibits local governments from imposing land use governments from imposing land use governments from imposing land use regulations that substantially burden regulations that substantially burden regulations that substantially burden religious exercise or treat one religious exercise or treat one religious exercise or treat one religious group less favorably. religious group less favorably. religious group less favorably. >> Bingo. All that stems from 197 1947 >> Bingo. All that stems from 197 1947 >> Bingo. All that stems from 197 1947 Everson. Everson. Everson. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> So before 1947 people don't people would >> So before 1947 people don't people would >> So before 1947 people don't people would have generally been like, yeah, of have generally been like, yeah, of have generally been like, yeah, of course. Of course a state can decide. course. Of course a state can decide. course. Of course a state can decide. >> Cuz the concern cuz look back cuz the >> Cuz the concern cuz look back cuz the >> Cuz the concern cuz look back cuz the concern of McKinney like maybe rightly concern of McKinney like maybe rightly concern of McKinney like maybe rightly so in terms of legally you'll get to so in terms of legally you'll get to so in terms of legally you'll get to this here in a bit is they're like, this here in a bit is they're like, this here in a bit is they're like, well, hey, if we decide against them and well, hey, if we decide against them and well, hey, if we decide against them and people have made it simply because people have made it simply because people have made it simply because they're Muslims, we will get sued for they're Muslims, we will get sued for they're Muslims, we will get sued for that. We'll probably lose so we might as that. We'll probably lose so we might as that. We'll probably lose so we might as well approve it. That's what I just well approve it. That's what I just well approve it. That's what I just wanted to kind of give that context of wanted to kind of give that context of wanted to kind of give that context of why this is an issue in McKinney and why this is an issue in McKinney and why this is an issue in McKinney and other places.

other places. other places. >> That's correct. >> That's correct. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That that's a that's exactly right. >> That that's a that's exactly right. >> That that's a that's exactly right. Actually I'll go ahead and pull my punch Actually I'll go ahead and pull my punch Actually I'll go ahead and pull my punch Now, you're as you're going to see, I'm Now, you're as you're going to see, I'm Now, you're as you're going to see, I'm going to have a little more to say, but going to have a little more to say, but going to have a little more to say, but I'm going to go ahead and pull my punch I'm going to go ahead and pull my punch I'm going to go ahead and pull my punch and I do from what I understand there and I do from what I understand there and I do from what I understand there was probably not any currently legal was probably not any currently legal was probably not any currently legal grounds by which somebody could grounds by which somebody could grounds by which somebody could keep that from happening. keep that from happening. keep that from happening. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> So, I'm just going to say that now. >> So, I'm just going to say that now. >> So, I'm just going to say that now. >> Hence the 7-0. >> Hence the 7-0. >> Hence the 7-0. >> Yeah, it was a 7-0 7-0 vote. And you you >> Yeah, it was a 7-0 7-0 vote. And you you >> Yeah, it was a 7-0 7-0 vote. And you you even had city council member members even had city council member members even had city council member members from what I understand saying things from what I understand saying things from what I understand saying things after were like, "Guys, like I'm not after were like, "Guys, like I'm not after were like, "Guys, like I'm not sure that's what I wanted, but I have to sure that's what I wanted, but I have to sure that's what I wanted, but I have to follow the laws that I'm supposed to, follow the laws that I'm supposed to, follow the laws that I'm supposed to, you know, do that kind of thing." All you know, do that kind of thing." All you know, do that kind of thing." All right, now. right, now. right, now. So, there's a legal question. So, there's a legal question. So, there's a legal question. But then there's a second question that But then there's a second question that But then there's a second question that Christian has is the biblical question. Christian has is the biblical question. Christian has is the biblical question. Like, what should we want? Like, what should we want? Like, what should we want? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now, dude, this is where I'm just going Now, dude, this is where I'm just going Now, dude, this is where I'm just going to start pointing out some things that to start pointing out some things that to start pointing out some things that are a little uncomfortable for like a are a little uncomfortable for like a are a little uncomfortable for like a 21st century American who has never 21st century American who has never 21st century American who has never lived under anything other than lived under anything other than lived under anything other than uh radical pluralism. We treat every uh radical pluralism. We treat every uh radical pluralism. We treat every religion the same way uh religions that religion the same way uh religions that religion the same way uh religions that worship demons and religions that worship demons and religions that worship demons and religions that worship Jesus and are actually true, you worship Jesus and are actually true, you worship Jesus and are actually true, you know.

know. know. So, let me point a couple things out. Uh So, let me point a couple things out. Uh So, let me point a couple things out. Uh it is interesting to me it is interesting to me it is interesting to me that uh in the Old Testament God grades that uh in the Old Testament God grades that uh in the Old Testament God grades kings by the buildings they permit. kings by the buildings they permit. kings by the buildings they permit. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I I'll just point this out. >> I I'll just point this out. >> I I'll just point this out. You have Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joash, You have Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joash, You have Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joash, Amaziah, Azariah, and Jotham who it Amaziah, Azariah, and Jotham who it Amaziah, Azariah, and Jotham who it specifically says this, "They did what specifically says this, "They did what specifically says this, "They did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, was right in the eyes of the Lord, was right in the eyes of the Lord, but the high places were not taken but the high places were not taken but the high places were not taken away." away." away." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> God specifically >> God specifically >> God specifically judges and disapproves how those kings judges and disapproves how those kings judges and disapproves how those kings governed governed governed on the basis of, "Hey, man, on the basis of, "Hey, man, on the basis of, "Hey, man, you allowed the construction of things you allowed the construction of things you allowed the construction of things that facilitated the worship of false that facilitated the worship of false that facilitated the worship of false gods gods gods in the nation." in the nation." in the nation." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Not not awesome. God goes, "Not >> Not not awesome. God goes, "Not >> Not not awesome. God goes, "Not awesome." awesome." awesome." Now, I'll take take it a step further. Now, I'll take take it a step further. Now, I'll take take it a step further. Now, I'm going to have a counterpoint Now, I'm going to have a counterpoint Now, I'm going to have a counterpoint here in a second. So, just track with here in a second. So, just track with here in a second. So, just track with me. Uh also, you got two kings, in fact, me. Uh also, you got two kings, in fact, me. Uh also, you got two kings, in fact, the only two kings that are if I the only two kings that are if I the only two kings that are if I remember right, that essentially were remember right, that essentially were remember right, that essentially were like, "Hey dude, they crushed it." Where like, "Hey dude, they crushed it." Where like, "Hey dude, they crushed it." Where God goes, "They crushed it." Hezekiah God goes, "They crushed it." Hezekiah God goes, "They crushed it." Hezekiah and Josiah. And what is specifically and Josiah. And what is specifically and Josiah. And what is specifically mentioned as one of the reasons God mentioned as one of the reasons God mentioned as one of the reasons God goes, "They crushed it."

goes, "They crushed it." goes, "They crushed it." They quote, "removed the high places." They quote, "removed the high places." They quote, "removed the high places." In other words, they made sure that the In other words, they made sure that the In other words, they made sure that the worship of false gods was not worship of false gods was not worship of false gods was not facilitated facilitated facilitated in the nation. Okay? Now, let me say one in the nation. Okay? Now, let me say one in the nation. Okay? Now, let me say one last thing and again, dude, pastors last thing and again, dude, pastors last thing and again, dude, pastors don't have to try to be controversial, don't have to try to be controversial, don't have to try to be controversial, they just got to read Bible verses. And they just got to read Bible verses. And they just got to read Bible verses. And this is one of those. this is one of those. this is one of those. Uh but let me just let me just if you're Uh but let me just let me just if you're Uh but let me just let me just if you're a Christian, a Christian, a Christian, I just want to encourage you with I just want to encourage you with I just want to encourage you with something. something. something. You need to decide in your heart You need to decide in your heart You need to decide in your heart you will never apologize from something you will never apologize from something you will never apologize from something God says in His word. God says in His word. God says in His word. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> You're not embarrassed by it. Uh so I'm >> You're not embarrassed by it. Uh so I'm >> You're not embarrassed by it. Uh so I'm not embarrassed. I am not embarrassed. not embarrassed. I am not embarrassed. not embarrassed. I am not embarrassed. You just need to decide that in your You just need to decide that in your You just need to decide that in your heart. Uh a third thing that kind of heart. Uh a third thing that kind of heart. Uh a third thing that kind of goes into this is we need to speak goes into this is we need to speak goes into this is we need to speak plainly from the New Testament, other plainly from the New Testament, other plainly from the New Testament, other religions are demon worship. religions are demon worship. religions are demon worship. Uh I'll just read the Bible verse, okay? Uh I'll just read the Bible verse, okay? Uh I'll just read the Bible verse, okay? In fact, let let me say it like this. In fact, let let me say it like this. In fact, let let me say it like this. Other religions are demon worship. Here Other religions are demon worship. Here Other religions are demon worship. Here here here's what Uh sometimes this will here here's what Uh sometimes this will here here's what Uh sometimes this will kind of shock people. kind of shock people. kind of shock people. Um if you were to ask me, "Hey Josh, Um if you were to ask me, "Hey Josh, Um if you were to ask me, "Hey Josh, of the 18,000 different gods people in of the 18,000 different gods people in of the 18,000 different gods people in the world claim that there are, uh which the world claim that there are, uh which the world claim that there are, uh which one do you believe in?" Honestly, my one do you believe in?" Honestly, my one do you believe in?" Honestly, my answer as a Christian is, "All of them."

answer as a Christian is, "All of them." answer as a Christian is, "All of them." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> All of them. >> All of them. >> All of them. Cuz check this out. Whatever God Cuz check this out. Whatever God Cuz check this out. Whatever God creates, Satan counterfeits. creates, Satan counterfeits. creates, Satan counterfeits. God is a Holy Spirit and Satan God is a Holy Spirit and Satan God is a Holy Spirit and Satan counterfeits God's Holy Spirit with counterfeits God's Holy Spirit with counterfeits God's Holy Spirit with thousands of unholy spirits the Bible thousands of unholy spirits the Bible thousands of unholy spirits the Bible calls demons. calls demons. calls demons. Now, check this out. First Corinthians Now, check this out. First Corinthians Now, check this out. First Corinthians 10 specifically says that the gods of 10 specifically says that the gods of 10 specifically says that the gods of other religions are absolutely real. other religions are absolutely real. other religions are absolutely real. They're really demons. They're really demons. They're really demons. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> This is 1 Corinthians 10:20. >> This is 1 Corinthians 10:20. >> This is 1 Corinthians 10:20. What pagans sacrifice, they offer to What pagans sacrifice, they offer to What pagans sacrifice, they offer to demons and not to God. demons and not to God. demons and not to God. So I say, "Hey dude, you may need to So I say, "Hey dude, you may need to So I say, "Hey dude, you may need to rearrange some emotional furniture in rearrange some emotional furniture in rearrange some emotional furniture in your heart and in your mind." your heart and in your mind." your heart and in your mind." That's just what the Bible says. That's just what the Bible says. That's just what the Bible says. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And we wrestle not against flesh and >> And we wrestle not against flesh and >> And we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, blood, but against principalities, blood, but against principalities, powers, and spiritual forces of evil in powers, and spiritual forces of evil in powers, and spiritual forces of evil in high places. Okay? Now, anything here. high places. Okay? Now, anything here. high places. Okay? Now, anything here. Wait, how am I How am I How am I doing? Wait, how am I How am I How am I doing? Wait, how am I How am I How am I doing? >> You're going doing great. >> You're going doing great. >> You're going doing great. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. Now, let me give a counterpoint. There Now, let me give a counterpoint. There Now, let me give a counterpoint. There is a distinction between, I think, there is a distinction between, I think, there is a distinction between, I think, there is a distinction There is one view that is a distinction There is one view that is a distinction There is one view that would disagree with this between what would disagree with this between what would disagree with this between what God says uh to the nation of Judah in God says uh to the nation of Judah in God says uh to the nation of Judah in Israel and the kings in the Old Israel and the kings in the Old Israel and the kings in the Old Testament and what he might say to the Testament and what he might say to the Testament and what he might say to the city of McKinney or the United States city of McKinney or the United States city of McKinney or the United States today. And it's that Judah and Israel today. And it's that Judah and Israel today. And it's that Judah and Israel were a covenant nation were a covenant nation were a covenant nation in a way that we are not a covenant in a way that we are not a covenant in a way that we are not a covenant nation. Okay? So, for instance, in Judah nation. Okay? So, for instance, in Judah nation. Okay? So, for instance, in Judah and Israel in the Old Testament, and Israel in the Old Testament, and Israel in the Old Testament, you had God-given a God-given civil law, you had God-given a God-given civil law, you had God-given a God-given civil law, land, you had a priesthood that was land, you had a priesthood that was land, you had a priesthood that was intertwined with a God formed the intertwined with a God formed the intertwined with a God formed the nation, created the nation.

nation, created the nation. nation, created the nation. Um and so, this gets into We talked Um and so, this gets into We talked Um and so, this gets into We talked about this last episode. about this last episode. about this last episode. This gets into Old Covenant New Covenant This gets into Old Covenant New Covenant This gets into Old Covenant New Covenant discontinuity. How some people have said discontinuity. How some people have said discontinuity. How some people have said this. Now, if you're Christian, keep this. Now, if you're Christian, keep this. Now, if you're Christian, keep your thinking cap on and track with me. your thinking cap on and track with me. your thinking cap on and track with me. This This is where like theology becomes This This is where like theology becomes This This is where like theology becomes actually important right here. Okay? Uh actually important right here. Okay? Uh actually important right here. Okay? Uh some people say it like this. They'll some people say it like this. They'll some people say it like this. They'll say, "Hey man, Old Covenant New Covenant say, "Hey man, Old Covenant New Covenant say, "Hey man, Old Covenant New Covenant discontinuity. In the Old Covenant, discontinuity. In the Old Covenant, discontinuity. In the Old Covenant, God's people were one people in one God's people were one people in one God's people were one people in one nation-state. nation-state. nation-state. In the New Covenant, God's people are uh In the New Covenant, God's people are uh In the New Covenant, God's people are uh 1 Peter uses the motif of exiles and 1 Peter uses the motif of exiles and 1 Peter uses the motif of exiles and there's stuff you can say about that there's stuff you can say about that there's stuff you can say about that that are scattered among every tribe, that are scattered among every tribe, that are scattered among every tribe, tongue, nation, and language. There's a tongue, nation, and language. There's a tongue, nation, and language. There's a difference. difference. difference. There's a difference, okay? There's a difference, okay? There's a difference, okay? Now, this gets into the So, Now, this gets into the So, Now, this gets into the So, now you're kind of getting into the deep now you're kind of getting into the deep now you're kind of getting into the deep end of the pool. This gets into the end of the pool. This gets into the end of the pool. This gets into the question, how should New Covenant question, how should New Covenant question, how should New Covenant Christians think that Old Covenant laws Christians think that Old Covenant laws Christians think that Old Covenant laws and commands, for instance, that forbid and commands, for instance, that forbid and commands, for instance, that forbid things like idol worship happening in things like idol worship happening in things like idol worship happening in nations? nations? nations? How should we think about whether or not How should we think about whether or not How should we think about whether or not or how those laws should apply uh in or how those laws should apply uh in or how those laws should apply uh in nations in the New Covenant era?

nations in the New Covenant era? nations in the New Covenant era? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Okay? Now, um I'll just for our >> Okay? Now, um I'll just for our >> Okay? Now, um I'll just for our Presbyterian friends, uh I'll just go Presbyterian friends, uh I'll just go Presbyterian friends, uh I'll just go ahead and get to this. ahead and get to this. ahead and get to this. Um the wet for instance, I'm going to Um the wet for instance, I'm going to Um the wet for instance, I'm going to quote the Westminster Confession. We're quote the Westminster Confession. We're quote the Westminster Confession. We're going to be nerdy. going to be nerdy. going to be nerdy. >> Ooh. >> Ooh. >> Ooh. >> We're going to be nerdy here for a >> We're going to be nerdy here for a >> We're going to be nerdy here for a second. second. second. What almost everyone besides there's a a What almost everyone besides there's a a What almost everyone besides there's a a theological position. Actually, go ahead theological position. Actually, go ahead theological position. Actually, go ahead and toss that chart up here, uh Trinity. and toss that chart up here, uh Trinity. and toss that chart up here, uh Trinity. Um these are the five different kind of Um these are the five different kind of Um these are the five different kind of generalized positions. Starts with generalized positions. Starts with generalized positions. Starts with something called theonomy. Theonomy is something called theonomy. Theonomy is something called theonomy. Theonomy is and basically what I have right here is and basically what I have right here is and basically what I have right here is uh the theological camp the core claim uh the theological camp the core claim uh the theological camp the core claim of the a summary of the claim of the of the a summary of the claim of the of the a summary of the claim of the theological camp and then how it would theological camp and then how it would theological camp and then how it would apply to apply to apply to should a nation allow the construction should a nation allow the construction should a nation allow the construction of a mosque? of a mosque? of a mosque? >> That's great. That's helpful. >> That's great. That's helpful. >> That's great. That's helpful. >> All right. So, what you got is under the >> All right. So, what you got is under the >> All right. So, what you got is under the theonomy is kind of the view uh theonomy is kind of the view uh theonomy is kind of the view uh uh by the way, theo is God, nomos law. uh by the way, theo is God, nomos law. uh by the way, theo is God, nomos law. >> Law. >> Law. >> Law. >> So, it's basically just hey, all of >> So, it's basically just hey, all of >> So, it's basically just hey, all of God's Old Testament laws are still in God's Old Testament laws are still in God's Old Testament laws are still in per- even the civil law. per- even the civil law. per- even the civil law. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Are still in perfect effect under the >> Are still in perfect effect under the >> Are still in perfect effect under the new covenant era. So, obviously, they new covenant era. So, obviously, they new covenant era. So, obviously, they would go, "Well, no, man. Like, duh. God would go, "Well, no, man. Like, duh. God would go, "Well, no, man. Like, duh. God forbid, you know, the worship of false forbid, you know, the worship of false forbid, you know, the worship of false gods gods gods >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> and all those laws still apply exactly >> and all those laws still apply exactly >> and all those laws still apply exactly the same today. Uh it actually should be the same today. Uh it actually should be the same today. Uh it actually should be a civil crime. And then there's kind of a civil crime. And then there's kind of a civil crime. And then there's kind of like a like a like a a spectrum you got here. You got a spectrum you got here. You got a spectrum you got here. You got classical Protestant Protestant two classical Protestant Protestant two classical Protestant Protestant two kingdoms. That goes all the way back to kingdoms. That goes all the way back to kingdoms. That goes all the way back to Augustine. Augustine. Augustine. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh Baptist, Catholic and then Catholic Baptist, Catholic and then Catholic Baptist, Catholic and then Catholic integralism. There are all these stuff. integralism. There are all these stuff. integralism. There are all these stuff. You so, for listeners or if you're You so, for listeners or if you're You so, for listeners or if you're listening, I encourage you go over to listening, I encourage you go over to listening, I encourage you go over to YouTube. This is actually like a really YouTube. This is actually like a really YouTube. This is actually like a really helpful study. Because I'm just going to helpful study. Because I'm just going to helpful study. Because I'm just going to tell you right now um this question tell you right now um this question tell you right now um this question is this theological question right here is this theological question right here is this theological question right here in my opinion, is going to become one of in my opinion, is going to become one of in my opinion, is going to become one of the most pressing issues for the church the most pressing issues for the church the most pressing issues for the church in America in the next 20 years. in America in the next 20 years. in America in the next 20 years. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> So, let me just say, this is something >> So, let me just say, this is something >> So, let me just say, this is something on which you are not going to have the on which you are not going to have the on which you are not going to have the luxury of not having an opinion on. Mhm. luxury of not having an opinion on. Mhm. luxury of not having an opinion on. Mhm. I'm just going to go ahead and get get I'm just going to go ahead and get get I'm just going to go ahead and get get that out there now. that out there now. that out there now. What um What um What um even if you do not fall in the what's even if you do not fall in the what's even if you do not fall in the what's called the theonomic camp. Now, let me called the theonomic camp. Now, let me called the theonomic camp. Now, let me just again, I'm going to keep caveating just again, I'm going to keep caveating just again, I'm going to keep caveating this. this. this. I am personally still getting my head I am personally still getting my head I am personally still getting my head around this stuff. I'm going to tell you around this stuff. I'm going to tell you around this stuff. I'm going to tell you what what how I'm thinking about this what what how I'm thinking about this what what how I'm thinking about this right now. I am personally still getting right now. I am personally still getting right now. I am personally still getting my head around this stuff.

my head around this stuff. my head around this stuff. Uh I've been for the last 2 years been Uh I've been for the last 2 years been Uh I've been for the last 2 years been doing as much reading as I can to get my doing as much reading as I can to get my doing as much reading as I can to get my head around it. I'm not there yet. So, head around it. I'm not there yet. So, head around it. I'm not there yet. So, I'm figuring it out with you. I'm figuring it out with you. I'm figuring it out with you. But, what I will say is even if you But, what I will say is even if you But, what I will say is even if you don't fall in what's called the don't fall in what's called the don't fall in what's called the Theonomic camp, Old Covenant laws apply Theonomic camp, Old Covenant laws apply Theonomic camp, Old Covenant laws apply under New Covenant era to all nations. under New Covenant era to all nations. under New Covenant era to all nations. Um what the Westminster Confession says, Um what the Westminster Confession says, Um what the Westminster Confession says, and the West Westminster Confession is and the West Westminster Confession is and the West Westminster Confession is not Theonomic from what I understand. not Theonomic from what I understand. not Theonomic from what I understand. Uh I'm going to read it. It says, "Man, Uh I'm going to read it. It says, "Man, Uh I'm going to read it. It says, "Man, even if we wouldn't take the Old even if we wouldn't take the Old even if we wouldn't take the Old Testament civic laws and apply them in Testament civic laws and apply them in Testament civic laws and apply them in New Covenant nations, New Covenant nations, New Covenant nations, we should still learn from the wisdom of we should still learn from the wisdom of we should still learn from the wisdom of the way that God gave civic laws because the way that God gave civic laws because the way that God gave civic laws because God's probably better at building a God's probably better at building a God's probably better at building a country than you." That's kind of That's country than you." That's kind of That's country than you." That's kind of That's like the dumb Kentucky kid version of like the dumb Kentucky kid version of like the dumb Kentucky kid version of the Westminster Confession. I'm just the Westminster Confession. I'm just the Westminster Confession. I'm just going to read it to you. going to read it to you. going to read it to you. "To them also, as a body politic, "To them also, as a body politic, "To them also, as a body politic, This is fun. He gave sundry This is fun. He gave sundry This is fun. He gave sundry >> Ooh. >> Ooh. >> Ooh. >> That means many in like Old English. He >> That means many in like Old English. He >> That means many in like Old English. He gave sundry judicial laws which expired gave sundry judicial laws which expired gave sundry judicial laws which expired together with the state of that people."

together with the state of that people." together with the state of that people." That's talking about Old Covenant, New That's talking about Old Covenant, New That's talking about Old Covenant, New Covenant discontinuity. Covenant discontinuity. Covenant discontinuity. "Not obliging any other now." So, in "Not obliging any other now." So, in "Not obliging any other now." So, in other words, those civic laws are not other words, those civic laws are not other words, those civic laws are not binding on nations in the New Covenant binding on nations in the New Covenant binding on nations in the New Covenant era. This is Westminster Confession. era. This is Westminster Confession. era. This is Westminster Confession. But, watch this. Then it says, "Further But, watch this. Then it says, "Further But, watch this. Then it says, "Further than the general equity thereof may than the general equity thereof may than the general equity thereof may require." And when it says general require." And when it says general require." And when it says general equity, again, I'm just dumb rural equity, again, I'm just dumb rural equity, again, I'm just dumb rural Kentucky kidding this for you. Kentucky kidding this for you. Kentucky kidding this for you. What it means is, "Hey, God's probably What it means is, "Hey, God's probably What it means is, "Hey, God's probably smarter at setting up countries than smarter at setting up countries than smarter at setting up countries than you, and we probably ought to learn from you, and we probably ought to learn from you, and we probably ought to learn from even his civic laws in how Christian even his civic laws in how Christian even his civic laws in how Christian This is We're being theologically nerdy This is We're being theologically nerdy This is We're being theologically nerdy for a second. Um for a second. Um for a second. Um especially in the Reformed tradition, especially in the Reformed tradition, especially in the Reformed tradition, they'll talk about the civil magistrate. they'll talk about the civil magistrate. they'll talk about the civil magistrate. That's what That just means That's what That just means That's what That just means >> Every time I hear that, I'm like, "I >> Every time I hear that, I'm like, "I >> Every time I hear that, I'm like, "I know what camp you're coming from." know what camp you're coming from." know what camp you're coming from." >> I'm like, "Dude, can you just say like >> I'm like, "Dude, can you just say like >> I'm like, "Dude, can you just say like governor? You're like, 'Somebody just governor? You're like, 'Somebody just governor? You're like, 'Somebody just did a governor, bro. Just talk normal.'" did a governor, bro. Just talk normal.'" did a governor, bro. Just talk normal.'" Uh talk normal. Uh talk normal. Uh talk normal. Uh that's So, that's what it's So, it's Uh that's So, that's what it's So, it's Uh that's So, that's what it's So, it's saying, "Hey man, if you're a Christian saying, "Hey man, if you're a Christian saying, "Hey man, if you're a Christian in government, you ought to still be in government, you ought to still be in government, you ought to still be opening your Bible and reading how God opening your Bible and reading how God opening your Bible and reading how God established a nation and trying to glean established a nation and trying to glean established a nation and trying to glean wisdom, which oh by the way, let me just wisdom, which oh by the way, let me just wisdom, which oh by the way, let me just say this.

say this. say this. The founders of our country quoted the The founders of our country quoted the The founders of our country quoted the book of Deuteronomy book of Deuteronomy book of Deuteronomy in their reasoning for a lot of the in their reasoning for a lot of the in their reasoning for a lot of the things they set up in our country more things they set up in our country more things they set up in our country more than any other source combined. than any other source combined. than any other source combined. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> What they were doing is gleaning from >> What they were doing is gleaning from >> What they were doing is gleaning from the quote general equity the quote general equity the quote general equity >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> of the way that God established his >> of the way that God established his >> of the way that God established his nation in the Old Testament, okay? nation in the Old Testament, okay? nation in the Old Testament, okay? Is it Are we having fun or is this Are Is it Are we having fun or is this Are Is it Are we having fun or is this Are we boring the heck out of everybody? we boring the heck out of everybody? we boring the heck out of everybody? What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? >> deep. We're going deep. >> deep. We're going deep. >> deep. We're going deep. >> Peanut gallery. Is this why we're not >> Peanut gallery. Is this why we're not >> Peanut gallery. Is this why we're not okay? okay? okay? >> We're going deep. >> We're going deep. >> We're going deep. >> They're just They're at least >> They're just They're at least >> They're just They're at least The very least, they're lying to me and The very least, they're lying to me and The very least, they're lying to me and encouraging me. [laughter] encouraging me. [laughter] encouraging me. [laughter] >> Trying to be encouraging. >> Trying to be encouraging. >> Trying to be encouraging. >> telling you, this Listen, bro. I'm >> telling you, this Listen, bro. I'm >> telling you, this Listen, bro. I'm nerding out on this stuff because I'm nerding out on this stuff because I'm nerding out on this stuff because I'm telling you, dude. I'm telling you. telling you, dude. I'm telling you. telling you, dude. I'm telling you. You These are the questions people are You These are the questions people are You These are the questions people are going to be asking our country for the going to be asking our country for the going to be asking our country for the next 20 years. next 20 years. next 20 years. >> quick on this, like two things and then >> quick on this, like two things and then >> quick on this, like two things and then keep going. So, number one, when you see keep going. So, number one, when you see keep going. So, number one, when you see these different views when we talk about these different views when we talk about these different views when we talk about it, and part of this is to help people it, and part of this is to help people it, and part of this is to help people understand that there isn't only one understand that there isn't only one understand that there isn't only one Christian perspective on this answer. Christian perspective on this answer. Christian perspective on this answer. Cuz again, some people think, "Oh, this Cuz again, some people think, "Oh, this Cuz again, some people think, "Oh, this is obvious." Like, hey, there's multiple is obvious." Like, hey, there's multiple is obvious." Like, hey, there's multiple camps and it's not that they're not camps and it's not that they're not camps and it's not that they're not reading the Bible. It's that they could reading the Bible. It's that they could reading the Bible. It's that they could be reading it differently. So, part of be reading it differently. So, part of be reading it differently. So, part of this is if we're going to have better this is if we're going to have better this is if we're going to have better conversations amongst Christians, we got conversations amongst Christians, we got conversations amongst Christians, we got to understand that there's different to understand that there's different to understand that there's different perspectives on this. They're like perspectives on this. They're like perspectives on this. They're like there's very big different perspectives there's very big different perspectives there's very big different perspectives on this. But then the other thing is on this. But then the other thing is on this. But then the other thing is really what we're doing is going back to really what we're doing is going back to really what we're doing is going back to what we said at the beginning is we're what we said at the beginning is we're what we said at the beginning is we're trying to struggle with these tensions trying to struggle with these tensions trying to struggle with these tensions >> Yep.

>> Yep. >> Yep. >> of these competing tensions. And >> of these competing tensions. And >> of these competing tensions. And basically what you're working walking us basically what you're working walking us basically what you're working walking us through is these are the different through is these are the different through is these are the different tensions, but we're going to eventually tensions, but we're going to eventually tensions, but we're going to eventually get to a place of, "Hey, cut and dry. get to a place of, "Hey, cut and dry. get to a place of, "Hey, cut and dry. Here's some things that we'd say." But I Here's some things that we'd say." But I Here's some things that we'd say." But I just wanted to connect those dots for just wanted to connect those dots for just wanted to connect those dots for people. Keep going. people. Keep going. people. Keep going. >> Thank you. Okay. Now, I'll say one other >> Thank you. Okay. Now, I'll say one other >> Thank you. Okay. Now, I'll say one other thing. I'm going to give you another thing. I'm going to give you another thing. I'm going to give you another chart. chart. chart. >> Oh, another >> Oh, another >> Oh, another >> I mean, I got charts. I got charts, >> I mean, I got charts. I got charts, >> I mean, I got charts. I got charts, brother. brother. brother. >> How's your policy written? >> How's your policy written? >> How's your policy written? >> Oh, man. All right. >> Oh, man. All right. >> Oh, man. All right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Uh for instance, people have pointed >> Uh for instance, people have pointed >> Uh for instance, people have pointed this out. Now, another thing Paul or this out. Now, another thing Paul or this out. Now, another thing Paul or Carlos alluded to this in the beginning Carlos alluded to this in the beginning Carlos alluded to this in the beginning of the episode. I'll be very honest with of the episode. I'll be very honest with of the episode. I'll be very honest with you. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going you. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going you. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to uh cut to the chase. to uh cut to the chase. to uh cut to the chase. I'm going to go to the end and then come I'm going to go to the end and then come I'm going to go to the end and then come back to the middle here in a second. One back to the middle here in a second. One back to the middle here in a second. One thing Christians are really, really bad thing Christians are really, really bad thing Christians are really, really bad You know, I'll be honest. This is one You know, I'll be honest. This is one You know, I'll be honest. This is one reason I think people like listening to reason I think people like listening to reason I think people like listening to Live Free. One thing Christians have Live Free. One thing Christians have Live Free. One thing Christians have become extremely terrible at is thinking become extremely terrible at is thinking become extremely terrible at is thinking in categories. And what I mean is and in categories. And what I mean is and in categories. And what I mean is and you hear if you listen to the pod, you you hear if you listen to the pod, you you hear if you listen to the pod, you hear us say this a lot. We are repeating hear us say this a lot. We are repeating hear us say this a lot. We are repeating for uh we're doing repetition for for uh we're doing repetition for for uh we're doing repetition for emphasis, not repetition out of emphasis, not repetition out of emphasis, not repetition out of laziness. laziness. laziness. These are the questions Christians are These are the questions Christians are These are the questions Christians are going to be wrestling with in our going to be wrestling with in our going to be wrestling with in our country for the next 20 years. If you country for the next 20 years. If you country for the next 20 years. If you don't figure this next thing out, you're don't figure this next thing out, you're don't figure this next thing out, you're not going to know how to think about all not going to know how to think about all not going to know how to think about all the big questions in the next 20 years.

the big questions in the next 20 years. the big questions in the next 20 years. It's called Kuyperian sphere It's called Kuyperian sphere It's called Kuyperian sphere sovereignty, okay? We say this sovereignty, okay? We say this sovereignty, okay? We say this consistently, but let me apply it to consistently, but let me apply it to consistently, but let me apply it to this issue. this issue. this issue. God has created, so there's individual God has created, so there's individual God has created, so there's individual Christians. Like, what are we supposed Christians. Like, what are we supposed Christians. Like, what are we supposed to do as disciples? But then, what the to do as disciples? But then, what the to do as disciples? But then, what the Bible teaches is that God has Bible teaches is that God has Bible teaches is that God has established three institutions, each established three institutions, each established three institutions, each with their own unique roles. with their own unique roles. with their own unique roles. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> And that when those things stay in their >> And that when those things stay in their >> And that when those things stay in their lane and function in God-given ways, lane and function in God-given ways, lane and function in God-given ways, that results in the blessing and that results in the blessing and that results in the blessing and flourishing of the world and society. flourishing of the world and society. flourishing of the world and society. The three institutions are the family, The three institutions are the family, The three institutions are the family, the church, and the state. Now, let me the church, and the state. Now, let me the church, and the state. Now, let me apply this to this like the the the apply this to this like the the the apply this to this like the the the Muslim Islam mosque thing. Muslim Islam mosque thing. Muslim Islam mosque thing. What some Christians do What some Christians do What some Christians do is they'll take the role of the is they'll take the role of the is they'll take the role of the individual and the church, which oh, by individual and the church, which oh, by individual and the church, which oh, by the way, that's the Great Commission. the way, that's the Great Commission. the way, that's the Great Commission. Our primary job is to share Jesus Our primary job is to share Jesus Our primary job is to share Jesus Christ, the love of Jesus Christ with Christ, the love of Jesus Christ with Christ, the love of Jesus Christ with everybody everywhere. Send missionaries everybody everywhere. Send missionaries everybody everywhere. Send missionaries all over the place. There's a reason all over the place. There's a reason all over the place. There's a reason Lakepointe's giving away like 8 million Lakepointe's giving away like 8 million Lakepointe's giving away like 8 million bucks a year on on mission or there like bucks a year on on mission or there like bucks a year on on mission or there like we are all in on the gospel to the we are all in on the gospel to the we are all in on the gospel to the nations. I don't care who you are, dude. nations. I don't care who you are, dude. nations. I don't care who you are, dude. You're worshipping a demon, I want you You're worshipping a demon, I want you You're worshipping a demon, I want you to worship Jesus Christ. We love you. I to worship Jesus Christ. We love you. I to worship Jesus Christ. We love you. I want to see you in heaven forever. So, want to see you in heaven forever. So, want to see you in heaven forever. So, as a Christian and a church, that's our as a Christian and a church, that's our as a Christian and a church, that's our main role. Now, obviously, the church main role. Now, obviously, the church main role. Now, obviously, the church does have a role as quote the pillar and does have a role as quote the pillar and does have a role as quote the pillar and buttress of truth in society and all buttress of truth in society and all buttress of truth in society and all that. But I'm talking about primarily.

that. But I'm talking about primarily. that. But I'm talking about primarily. We're we're being super theologically We're we're being super theologically We're we're being super theologically nerdy, just stay with us. nerdy, just stay with us. nerdy, just stay with us. Now, the role [clears throat] of the Now, the role [clears throat] of the Now, the role [clears throat] of the state, Romans 13, is again is to hey, we state, Romans 13, is again is to hey, we state, Romans 13, is again is to hey, we need to reward the good and punish the need to reward the good and punish the need to reward the good and punish the evil. Then the obvious question is, evil. Then the obvious question is, evil. Then the obvious question is, well, who gets to define good and evil? well, who gets to define good and evil? well, who gets to define good and evil? God does. Romans 13 talks about how the God does. Romans 13 talks about how the God does. Romans 13 talks about how the state quote bears the sword as the state quote bears the sword as the state quote bears the sword as the servant of God. So, there's a lot we servant of God. So, there's a lot we servant of God. So, there's a lot we could go in here. But what I'm what I'm could go in here. But what I'm what I'm could go in here. But what I'm what I'm saying is, here's what some Christians saying is, here's what some Christians saying is, here's what some Christians do. Now, let me just don't do this and do. Now, let me just don't do this and do. Now, let me just don't do this and then I'm going to keep going. then I'm going to keep going. then I'm going to keep going. What some Christians do is like, man, What some Christians do is like, man, What some Christians do is like, man, these horrible people who would ever these horrible people who would ever these horrible people who would ever think about trying to, you know, oppose think about trying to, you know, oppose think about trying to, you know, oppose a mosque being built through legal a mosque being built through legal a mosque being built through legal means? means? means? We're supposed to be about evangelism. We're supposed to be about evangelism. We're supposed to be about evangelism. So, that's the only thing Christians So, that's the only thing Christians So, that's the only thing Christians should ever think about is just should ever think about is just should ever think about is just evangelism. evangelism. evangelism. Actually, no, that's actually not true. Actually, no, that's actually not true. Actually, no, that's actually not true. As Christians and as a church, we should As Christians and as a church, we should As Christians and as a church, we should go what's the role of a Christian and a go what's the role of a Christian and a go what's the role of a Christian and a church? Evangelism, yes. church? Evangelism, yes. church? Evangelism, yes. But then we're also we have to become But then we're also we have to become But then we're also we have to become stop being children in our thinking and stop being children in our thinking and stop being children in our thinking and become mature in our thinking, Paul become mature in our thinking, Paul become mature in our thinking, Paul says. says. says. We also have to wisely ask the question, We also have to wisely ask the question, We also have to wisely ask the question, what is the role of the state?

what is the role of the state? what is the role of the state? So, what you have is you have some So, what you have is you have some So, what you have is you have some Christians who only think about the role Christians who only think about the role Christians who only think about the role of the individual in the church and of the individual in the church and of the individual in the church and they're like evangelism, nothing else they're like evangelism, nothing else they're like evangelism, nothing else matters. Look at these horrible matters. Look at these horrible matters. Look at these horrible Christians. Then you have other Christians. Then you have other Christians. Then you have other Christians who are more like politically Christians who are more like politically Christians who are more like politically and culturally minded and the only thing and culturally minded and the only thing and culturally minded and the only thing they think about is, hey man, they think about is, hey man, they think about is, hey man, Islamification and hey, what does the Islamification and hey, what does the Islamification and hey, what does the First Amendment actually mean? Hey, uh First Amendment actually mean? Hey, uh First Amendment actually mean? Hey, uh the general equity of the Old Testament the general equity of the Old Testament the general equity of the Old Testament is hey, maybe demon worship spreading in is hey, maybe demon worship spreading in is hey, maybe demon worship spreading in our country isn't great for our country our country isn't great for our country our country isn't great for our country and what about migration policies? and what about migration policies? and what about migration policies? And that's all they think of. And let me And that's all they think of. And let me And that's all they think of. And let me shoot you really straight, those shoot you really straight, those shoot you really straight, those Christians, they never develop the heart Christians, they never develop the heart Christians, they never develop the heart of Jesus Christ for the salvation of of Jesus Christ for the salvation of of Jesus Christ for the salvation of Muslim people. Muslim people. Muslim people. They become crusty, angry hearts. Like They become crusty, angry hearts. Like They become crusty, angry hearts. Like they just don't got it. So, what I would they just don't got it. So, what I would they just don't got it. So, what I would say if you're Christian you're say if you're Christian you're say if you're Christian you're listening, don't like stop being listening, don't like stop being listening, don't like stop being children in your thinking. Let's grow up children in your thinking. Let's grow up children in your thinking. Let's grow up and be mature, you can't let one lane of and be mature, you can't let one lane of and be mature, you can't let one lane of the spheres eat all of your thinking. the spheres eat all of your thinking. the spheres eat all of your thinking. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? Does that make sense? >> Makes sense. It's basically like you can >> Makes sense. It's basically like you can >> Makes sense. It's basically like you can ask two questions or go at two things at ask two questions or go at two things at ask two questions or go at two things at once. I can both say as a Christian, how once. I can both say as a Christian, how once. I can both say as a Christian, how do I slow or prevent the Islamification do I slow or prevent the Islamification do I slow or prevent the Islamification of my society as I also try to make of my society as I also try to make of my society as I also try to make disciples of Muslims.

disciples of Muslims. disciples of Muslims. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It does not have to be an either/or. In >> It does not have to be an either/or. In >> It does not have to be an either/or. In fact, it can't be. It has to be a fact, it can't be. It has to be a fact, it can't be. It has to be a both/and. Pretty much what you're both/and. Pretty much what you're both/and. Pretty much what you're saying. saying. saying. >> 100% dude. >> 100% dude. >> 100% dude. >> It's It's like, hey, we've got to do >> It's It's like, hey, we've got to do >> It's It's like, hey, we've got to do both. We've got to do both. both. We've got to do both. both. We've got to do both. >> Yeah. Not only can you, you are required >> Yeah. Not only can you, you are required >> Yeah. Not only can you, you are required by Jesus Christ to do so. I think on by Jesus Christ to do so. I think on by Jesus Christ to do so. I think on both points. both points. both points. On both points. So, you got stuff like On both points. So, you got stuff like On both points. So, you got stuff like this. Let me keep you on a couple of this. Let me keep you on a couple of this. Let me keep you on a couple of biblical observations people have made. biblical observations people have made. biblical observations people have made. For instance, in Acts 17, I've I've For instance, in Acts 17, I've I've For instance, in Acts 17, I've I've actually stood where Paul was when he actually stood where Paul was when he actually stood where Paul was when he said this. Acts 17, it's a Mars Hill said this. Acts 17, it's a Mars Hill said this. Acts 17, it's a Mars Hill Areopagus. That's stinking cool, man. Areopagus. That's stinking cool, man. Areopagus. That's stinking cool, man. Bro, you got to go. Y'all got to see Bro, you got to go. Y'all got to see Bro, you got to go. Y'all got to see this. Lord willing. Lord willing. You're this. Lord willing. Lord willing. You're this. Lord willing. Lord willing. You're going to make it two and a half weeks. going to make it two and a half weeks. going to make it two and a half weeks. Uh Uh Uh it says Paul, he looks out at Athens and it says Paul, he looks out at Athens and it says Paul, he looks out at Athens and it's really awesome, dude, cuz you're on it's really awesome, dude, cuz you're on it's really awesome, dude, cuz you're on the Areopagus and you can literally see the Areopagus and you can literally see the Areopagus and you can literally see the the Parthenon. the the Parthenon. the the Parthenon. And I think I I took an iPhone photo. I And I think I I took an iPhone photo. I And I think I I took an iPhone photo. I think you can see 22 places where there think you can see 22 places where there think you can see 22 places where there would have been uh statues to to demonic would have been uh statues to to demonic would have been uh statues to to demonic false gods. false gods. false gods. From where he was standing and it says From where he was standing and it says From where he was standing and it says Paul's spirit was provoked within him as Paul's spirit was provoked within him as Paul's spirit was provoked within him as he saw the city was full of idols. Now, he saw the city was full of idols. Now, he saw the city was full of idols. Now, note this.

note this. note this. Paul's response to that moment was share Paul's response to that moment was share Paul's response to that moment was share Christ and plant churches. Christ and plant churches. Christ and plant churches. That's important. That's important. That's important. >> And that provoked it literally means he >> And that provoked it literally means he >> And that provoked it literally means he was angry. He was angry. was angry. He was angry. was angry. He was angry. >> Angry. >> Angry. >> Angry. >> But that's his flinch. >> But that's his flinch. >> But that's his flinch. >> His flinch is, okay, share Christ, plant >> His flinch is, okay, share Christ, plant >> His flinch is, okay, share Christ, plant churches. Now, here's the counterpoint. churches. Now, here's the counterpoint. churches. Now, here's the counterpoint. Counterpoint is, well, how you going to Counterpoint is, well, how you going to Counterpoint is, well, how you going to ask what a Christian ruler's duty is if ask what a Christian ruler's duty is if ask what a Christian ruler's duty is if there is no Christian ruler? there is no Christian ruler? there is no Christian ruler? So, that's fair. That's fair. Okay? Now, So, that's fair. That's fair. Okay? Now, So, that's fair. That's fair. Okay? Now, let me get down let me start getting let me get down let me start getting let me get down let me start getting down to brass tacks and then we can down to brass tacks and then we can down to brass tacks and then we can start, you know, landing on this episode start, you know, landing on this episode start, you know, landing on this episode and everybody can be mad at us. and everybody can be mad at us. and everybody can be mad at us. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Everybody. >> Everybody. >> Everybody. >> It'll be great. It'll be great. Y'all >> It'll be great. It'll be great. Y'all >> It'll be great. It'll be great. Y'all are to love it. are to love it. are to love it. >> All right. So, here if I start applying >> All right. So, here if I start applying >> All right. So, here if I start applying this whole thing, actually let me say this whole thing, actually let me say this whole thing, actually let me say one last thing and then I'm going to one last thing and then I'm going to one last thing and then I'm going to start applying it. So, in a second start applying it. So, in a second start applying it. So, in a second Trinity I'm going to call for that last Trinity I'm going to call for that last Trinity I'm going to call for that last chart and then I'm going to chart and then I'm going to chart and then I'm going to show some stuff. show some stuff. show some stuff. Uh Uh Uh this exact same thing that happened in this exact same thing that happened in this exact same thing that happened in McKinney, the opposite of it, actually McKinney, the opposite of it, actually McKinney, the opposite of it, actually let me show the chart first.

let me show the chart first. let me show the chart first. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Okay. Here's the chart and here is where >> Okay. Here's the chart and here is where >> Okay. Here's the chart and here is where I'm like right now, I'm figuring this I'm like right now, I'm figuring this I'm like right now, I'm figuring this out at the same time as you. I reserve out at the same time as you. I reserve out at the same time as you. I reserve the right to kind of go like, "Hey man, the right to kind of go like, "Hey man, the right to kind of go like, "Hey man, I'mma keep studying and try to figure it I'mma keep studying and try to figure it I'mma keep studying and try to figure it out." Here's where I land. Okay. Actions out." Here's where I land. Okay. Actions out." Here's where I land. Okay. Actions that Christians should take. Number one, that Christians should take. Number one, that Christians should take. Number one, we have to be honest that Islam is Islam we have to be honest that Islam is Islam we have to be honest that Islam is Islam is false. Our goal is to share Christ is false. Our goal is to share Christ is false. Our goal is to share Christ with Muslims, warn people, "Hey man, be with Muslims, warn people, "Hey man, be with Muslims, warn people, "Hey man, be reconciled to God." Yep, that's your reconciled to God." Yep, that's your reconciled to God." Yep, that's your duty. Every Christian everywhere should duty. Every Christian everywhere should duty. Every Christian everywhere should do that. We got a dude named Shariq Khan do that. We got a dude named Shariq Khan do that. We got a dude named Shariq Khan that I've been texting with this he's that I've been texting with this he's that I've been texting with this he's awesome That's how you pronounce the awesome That's how you pronounce the awesome That's how you pronounce the name, right? name, right? name, right? >> Yeah, Shariq Khan. >> Yeah, Shariq Khan. >> Yeah, Shariq Khan. >> Yeah, thanks. Uh former Muslim dude in >> Yeah, thanks. Uh former Muslim dude in >> Yeah, thanks. Uh former Muslim dude in the DFW area. Had a the DFW area. Had a the DFW area. Had a Seems awesome. Seems awesome. Seems awesome. >> Yeah, I'll meet him next >> Yeah, I'll meet him next >> Yeah, I'll meet him next >> Yeah, dude. Oh, really? >> Yeah, dude. Oh, really? >> Yeah, dude. Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, we may need to have him >> All right. Well, we may need to have him >> All right. Well, we may need to have him on at some point. But, that's his thing. on at some point. But, that's his thing. on at some point. But, that's his thing. He's like, "Hey dude, I was converted to He's like, "Hey dude, I was converted to He's like, "Hey dude, I was converted to Christ out of Islam. Christ out of Islam. Christ out of Islam. Hey bro, Hey bro, Hey bro, let's let's get the gospel to these let's let's get the gospel to these let's let's get the gospel to these people." Yep, all of us. Number two, people." Yep, all of us. Number two, people." Yep, all of us. Number two, say publicly that a mosque harms your say publicly that a mosque harms your say publicly that a mosque harms your city. I and I got to be honest, if city. I and I got to be honest, if city. I and I got to be honest, if you're a Christian who actually you're a Christian who actually you're a Christian who actually like, "Hey bro, just for There's a lot like, "Hey bro, just for There's a lot like, "Hey bro, just for There's a lot of Christians who they say they believe of Christians who they say they believe of Christians who they say they believe this stuff, this stuff, this stuff, but at the emotional level you're like, but at the emotional level you're like, but at the emotional level you're like, "No, you don't."

"No, you don't." "No, you don't." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Like, if you actually believe that Islam >> Like, if you actually believe that Islam >> Like, if you actually believe that Islam is the the worship of demons is the the worship of demons is the the worship of demons and that it's bad for people and and that it's bad for people and and that it's bad for people and societies, societies, societies, in one sense, with obviously there's in one sense, with obviously there's in one sense, with obviously there's some caveats you got to bring in some some caveats you got to bring in some some caveats you got to bring in some other thoughts, too. In one sense, other thoughts, too. In one sense, other thoughts, too. In one sense, opposing the like you said the opposing the like you said the opposing the like you said the Islamification of a society, if nothing Islamification of a society, if nothing Islamification of a society, if nothing else, that is a love your neighbor else, that is a love your neighbor else, that is a love your neighbor issue. issue. issue. >> Mhm. Yes. >> Mhm. Yes. >> Mhm. Yes. >> It is not good for people and societies. >> It is not good for people and societies. >> It is not good for people and societies. So, say publicly that hey bro, this is So, say publicly that hey bro, this is So, say publicly that hey bro, this is not good for our city. Yeah. All right, not good for our city. Yeah. All right, not good for our city. Yeah. All right, you should probably be honest about you should probably be honest about you should probably be honest about that. All right, number three. that. All right, number three. that. All right, number three. >> Also, Josh, I would say uh false >> Also, Josh, I would say uh false >> Also, Josh, I would say uh false religion uh is not morally neutral. Like religion uh is not morally neutral. Like religion uh is not morally neutral. Like at some point, ideas have consequences. at some point, ideas have consequences. at some point, ideas have consequences. We'll say this often, right? There's a We'll say this often, right? There's a We'll say this often, right? There's a reason why reason why reason why >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Again, this is not just uh Christianity >> Again, this is not just uh Christianity >> Again, this is not just uh Christianity is not it's not just a religion of like is not it's not just a religion of like is not it's not just a religion of like intellectual exercise. Like it it flows intellectual exercise. Like it it flows intellectual exercise. Like it it flows out in your behavior. Same thing applies out in your behavior. Same thing applies out in your behavior. Same thing applies to a different religion that believes to a different religion that believes to a different religion that believes something completely different. At some something completely different. At some something completely different. At some point, that's going to affect how men uh point, that's going to affect how men uh point, that's going to affect how men uh engage with women. That's going to engage with women. That's going to engage with women. That's going to affect how families operate. That's affect how families operate. That's affect how families operate. That's going to affect society, work. And hence going to affect society, work. And hence going to affect society, work. And hence uh Islam being a religion also that at uh Islam being a religion also that at uh Islam being a religion also that at some point, it's not a private if at its some point, it's not a private if at its some point, it's not a private if at its core, if you go back to the Quran, if core, if you go back to the Quran, if core, if you go back to the Quran, if you go back to Muhammad, at its core is you go back to Muhammad, at its core is you go back to Muhammad, at its core is not just a private devotion to hide at not just a private devotion to hide at not just a private devotion to hide at home. It's something that pervades every home. It's something that pervades every home. It's something that pervades every single aspect of society. So, go ahead.

single aspect of society. So, go ahead. single aspect of society. So, go ahead. >> Yes, dude. Hang on. I'm going to try to >> Yes, dude. Hang on. I'm going to try to >> Yes, dude. Hang on. I'm going to try to find something here in a second. Dang it. I probably saved it too long Dang it. I probably saved it too long ago. All right, I won't be able to find ago. All right, I won't be able to find ago. All right, I won't be able to find it. Yeah, in fact, let me point this out it. Yeah, in fact, let me point this out it. Yeah, in fact, let me point this out to what Carlos just said. Now, what to what Carlos just said. Now, what to what Carlos just said. Now, what we're trying to do is what is the we're trying to do is what is the we're trying to do is what is the intersection of faith and politics, of intersection of faith and politics, of intersection of faith and politics, of theology and nation. theology and nation. theology and nation. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Now, I'll just point out to to double >> Now, I'll just point out to to double >> Now, I'll just point out to to double click on what Carlos just said. Okay, so click on what Carlos just said. Okay, so click on what Carlos just said. Okay, so what's the first line say? It says uh uh what's the first line say? It says uh uh what's the first line say? It says uh uh uh that uh all men are created equal and uh that uh all men are created equal and uh that uh all men are created equal and endowed by their creator. We we hold endowed by their creator. We we hold endowed by their creator. We we hold these truths to be self-evident. By these truths to be self-evident. By these truths to be self-evident. By their creator with certain inalienable their creator with certain inalienable their creator with certain inalienable inalienable in inalienable rights. Okay, inalienable in inalienable rights. Okay, inalienable in inalienable rights. Okay, great. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. But, great. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. But, great. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. But, watch this. You can't just stop there. watch this. You can't just stop there. watch this. You can't just stop there. If everybody's endowed by their creator If everybody's endowed by their creator If everybody's endowed by their creator with certain inalienable inalienable with certain inalienable inalienable with certain inalienable inalienable inalienable rights, two questions arise. inalienable rights, two questions arise. inalienable rights, two questions arise. There's a creator. What's his name? There's a creator. What's his name? There's a creator. What's his name? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then number two, depending on your >> And then number two, depending on your >> And then number two, depending on your answer to that question, that leads to answer to that question, that leads to answer to that question, that leads to your answer to the question, which your answer to the question, which your answer to the question, which rights? rights? rights? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I'm going to shoot you really straight. >> I'm going to shoot you really straight. >> I'm going to shoot you really straight. >> Good question. >> Good question. >> Good question. >> Like in in uh if his name is Jesus >> Like in in uh if his name is Jesus >> Like in in uh if his name is Jesus Christ as God, there's a specific, for Christ as God, there's a specific, for Christ as God, there's a specific, for instance, we're getting brass tacks.

instance, we're getting brass tacks. instance, we're getting brass tacks. There's a specific definition of There's a specific definition of There's a specific definition of marriage marriage marriage >> Mhm. that Jesus Christ has >> Mhm. that Jesus Christ has >> Mhm. that Jesus Christ has elucidated. Yep. elucidated. Yep. elucidated. Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> If his name is Allah >> If his name is Allah >> If his name is Allah well, you can have up to four wives. well, you can have up to four wives. well, you can have up to four wives. So like bro, you start getting Hey man, So like bro, you start getting Hey man, So like bro, you start getting Hey man, is is is if there's a creator, what's his name? if there's a creator, what's his name? if there's a creator, what's his name? And his name is going to have And his name is going to have And his name is going to have implications for what you believe are implications for what you believe are implications for what you believe are the quote certain inalienable rights the quote certain inalienable rights the quote certain inalienable rights that are endowed to people in a society. that are endowed to people in a society. that are endowed to people in a society. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. Now, so number three Now, so number three Now, so number three should a Christian object at a hearing should a Christian object at a hearing should a Christian object at a hearing on watch this. This is important. on watch this. This is important. on watch this. This is important. On land grounds, traffic, drainage, On land grounds, traffic, drainage, On land grounds, traffic, drainage, parking. I'm going to get to this here parking. I'm going to get to this here parking. I'm going to get to this here in a second. Where I'm at is I believe in a second. Where I'm at is I believe in a second. Where I'm at is I believe that it is appropriate a Christian with that it is appropriate a Christian with that it is appropriate a Christian with good and good conscience could and I'm good and good conscience could and I'm good and good conscience could and I'm actually going to tell you how here in a actually going to tell you how here in a actually going to tell you how here in a second. second. second. That's what may actually get me in That's what may actually get me in That's what may actually get me in trouble. trouble. trouble. That a Christian can in good conscience That a Christian can in good conscience That a Christian can in good conscience oppose legally oppose the construction oppose legally oppose the construction oppose legally oppose the construction of a mosque of a mosque of a mosque based on things like land ground, based on things like land ground, based on things like land ground, traffic, drainage, parking, zoning traffic, drainage, parking, zoning traffic, drainage, parking, zoning issues.

issues. issues. I believe a Christian can do that in I believe a Christian can do that in I believe a Christian can do that in good conscience. Yes, the law permits good conscience. Yes, the law permits good conscience. Yes, the law permits this. But here's the question number this. But here's the question number this. But here's the question number four and this is the four and this is the four and this is the the strategic mistake a lot of people the strategic mistake a lot of people the strategic mistake a lot of people probably made in McKinney's. probably made in McKinney's. probably made in McKinney's. Number four, can a Christian ask the Number four, can a Christian ask the Number four, can a Christian ask the council to refuse it because it is a council to refuse it because it is a council to refuse it because it is a mosque? No, you can't. That's illegal mosque? No, you can't. That's illegal mosque? No, you can't. That's illegal now and you're going to lose. now and you're going to lose. now and you're going to lose. >> All you did was lose passionately. >> All you did was lose passionately. >> All you did was lose passionately. >> You did That's right. >> You did That's right. >> You did That's right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You lost in a blaze of glory. >> You lost in a blaze of glory. >> You lost in a blaze of glory. I'm a big fan of winning. I'm a big fan of winning. I'm a big fan of winning. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I like winning. >> I like winning. >> I like winning. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. >> Me, too. >> Okay? Now, let me just point this out. >> Okay? Now, let me just point this out. >> Okay? Now, let me just point this out. And here's why I say this. And here's why I say this. And here's why I say this. In my again, I've got way in over my In my again, I've got way in over my In my again, I've got way in over my head. I just got super interested in all head. I just got super interested in all head. I just got super interested in all this this week. this this week. this this week. This exact same thing happened in This exact same thing happened in This exact same thing happened in reverse reverse reverse in January 2026 so this year in Broken in January 2026 so this year in Broken in January 2026 so this year in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Arrow, Oklahoma. Arrow, Oklahoma. Literally the exact same thing happened Literally the exact same thing happened Literally the exact same thing happened and the city council did the opposite. and the city council did the opposite. and the city council did the opposite. So So So >> exact same thing >> exact same thing >> exact same thing happened. Bunch of people show up and happened. Bunch of people show up and happened. Bunch of people show up and they're like, "Hey, we don't want a they're like, "Hey, we don't want a they're like, "Hey, we don't want a mosque in our city. We don't want Sharia mosque in our city. We don't want Sharia mosque in our city. We don't want Sharia law in our city." And the city council law in our city." And the city council law in our city." And the city council there refused the mosque 4 to 1.

there refused the mosque 4 to 1. there refused the mosque 4 to 1. On the basis of it it I came out in On the basis of it it I came out in On the basis of it it I came out in emails. On the basis of it's a mosque. emails. On the basis of it's a mosque. emails. On the basis of it's a mosque. The Department of Justice opened an The Department of Justice opened an The Department of Justice opened an investigation. By the way, that's the investigation. By the way, that's the investigation. By the way, that's the Trump administration. The White House Trump administration. The White House Trump administration. The White House Faith Office, who is generally doing Faith Office, who is generally doing Faith Office, who is generally doing really good work. really good work. really good work. Uh opened an investigation, and then the Uh opened an investigation, and then the Uh opened an investigation, and then the Islamic Society of Tulsa sued, and Islamic Society of Tulsa sued, and Islamic Society of Tulsa sued, and they're almost certainly going to lose. they're almost certainly going to lose. they're almost certainly going to lose. Okay? So, here here's the point is like, Okay? So, here here's the point is like, Okay? So, here here's the point is like, "Hey man, we we need to be both wise as "Hey man, we we need to be both wise as "Hey man, we we need to be both wise as serpents and innocents innocent as serpents and innocents innocent as serpents and innocents innocent as doves." doves." doves." >> Yes. Did they they oppose it on on the >> Yes. Did they they oppose it on on the >> Yes. Did they they oppose it on on the on a legal ground of zoning? on a legal ground of zoning? on a legal ground of zoning? >> If I understand correctly, it was it was >> If I understand correctly, it was it was >> If I understand correctly, it was it was they were requesting a zoning change, if they were requesting a zoning change, if they were requesting a zoning change, if I understand it correctly. And the city I understand it correctly. And the city I understand it correctly. And the city council, uh if memory serves, they sided council, uh if memory serves, they sided council, uh if memory serves, they sided with the people against the mosque. with the people against the mosque. with the people against the mosque. Uh Uh Uh uh but they did it it came out in emails uh but they did it it came out in emails uh but they did it it came out in emails on the basis of on the basis of on the basis of >> a mosque. >> a mosque. >> a mosque. >> Islam, you know, what what we've seen >> Islam, you know, what what we've seen >> Islam, you know, what what we've seen Islam do in other nations and that kind Islam do in other nations and that kind Islam do in other nations and that kind of thing. And right now, let me just of thing. And right now, let me just of thing. And right now, let me just point this out again. Right now, because point this out again. Right now, because point this out again. Right now, because of the Supreme Court's interpretation of of the Supreme Court's interpretation of of the Supreme Court's interpretation of Everson in 1947, Everson in 1947, Everson in 1947, I'm going to keep emphasizing this.

I'm going to keep emphasizing this. I'm going to keep emphasizing this. Like, bro, Supreme Court matters for the Like, bro, Supreme Court matters for the Like, bro, Supreme Court matters for the societal inheritance you will hand your societal inheritance you will hand your societal inheritance you will hand your children and grandchildren. It matters. children and grandchildren. It matters. children and grandchildren. It matters. Because of the interpretation uh Because of the interpretation uh Because of the interpretation uh reinterpretation of the First Amendment reinterpretation of the First Amendment reinterpretation of the First Amendment in 1947, in 1947, in 1947, right now, right now, right now, it's there's no legal grounds for it's there's no legal grounds for it's there's no legal grounds for somebody to oppose something simply on somebody to oppose something simply on somebody to oppose something simply on the basis of the basis of the basis of it's a mosque. Can't can't do it. it's a mosque. Can't can't do it. it's a mosque. Can't can't do it. >> Now, you got anything else to say here? >> Now, you got anything else to say here? >> Now, you got anything else to say here? >> Not yet. >> Not yet. >> Not yet. >> Okay. Now, number five, let me just >> Okay. Now, number five, let me just >> Okay. Now, number five, let me just point this out. Should Christians work point this out. Should Christians work point this out. Should Christians work on immigration policy? And and again on immigration policy? And and again on immigration policy? And and again again, I'll just point this out. Yeah, again, I'll just point this out. Yeah, again, I'll just point this out. Yeah, you should. And again, people you can you should. And again, people you can you should. And again, people you can this is one of the things that I this is one of the things that I this is one of the things that I obviously get obviously get obviously get blasted for online sometimes. But hey blasted for online sometimes. But hey blasted for online sometimes. But hey man, that stuff matters. man, that stuff matters. man, that stuff matters. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It matters. >> It matters. >> It matters. Because again, via mass migration, Because again, via mass migration, Because again, via mass migration, Dallas now has one out of every 14 on Dallas now has one out of every 14 on Dallas now has one out of every 14 on average residents of Dallas is somebody average residents of Dallas is somebody average residents of Dallas is somebody from a predominantly Islamic nation. from a predominantly Islamic nation. from a predominantly Islamic nation. Now, do we want them to hear the gospel? Now, do we want them to hear the gospel? Now, do we want them to hear the gospel? Of course. Of course. Of course. But is it But is it But is it is it civically wise is it civically wise is it civically wise for a nation to just dilute for a nation to just dilute for a nation to just dilute their the nation with an anti-Christian their the nation with an anti-Christian their the nation with an anti-Christian presence presence presence that will actually undermine, you know, that will actually undermine, you know, that will actually undermine, you know, sort of actually, hey Chris, text me one sort of actually, hey Chris, text me one sort of actually, hey Chris, text me one of those things you sent you sent about of those things you sent you sent about of those things you sent you sent about Muslims vote with Muslims. Text me one Muslims vote with Muslims. Text me one Muslims vote with Muslims. Text me one of those things real quick.

of those things real quick. of those things real quick. Is that wise to import millions of Is that wise to import millions of Is that wise to import millions of people who in many ways they are people who in many ways they are people who in many ways they are fundamentally opposed fundamentally opposed fundamentally opposed to historic American norms and Christian to historic American norms and Christian to historic American norms and Christian consensus? Is that wise? consensus? Is that wise? consensus? Is that wise? No. It's not. And it's not a No. It's not. And it's not a No. It's not. And it's not a non-Christian thing to say that, okay? non-Christian thing to say that, okay? non-Christian thing to say that, okay? Does that make sense? Does that make sense? Does that make sense? All right. Yeah, Trinity, can you toss All right. Yeah, Trinity, can you toss All right. Yeah, Trinity, can you toss that up real quick? Now, let me show you that up real quick? Now, let me show you that up real quick? Now, let me show you why this kind of stuff matters. All why this kind of stuff matters. All why this kind of stuff matters. All right, so this is what I'm talking right, so this is what I'm talking right, so this is what I'm talking about. Thanks, Trinity. So, I just want about. Thanks, Trinity. So, I just want about. Thanks, Trinity. So, I just want to point this out. Like CAIR, to point this out. Like CAIR, to point this out. Like CAIR, it's Center for American Islamic it's Center for American Islamic it's Center for American Islamic something this ends with What's this something this ends with What's this something this ends with What's this ends with? R? R, what's the R stand for? ends with? R? R, what's the R stand for? ends with? R? R, what's the R stand for? Relations. Relations. Relations. So, I just want to point this They put So, I just want to point this They put So, I just want to point this They put this out. So, this is one thing I'll be this out. So, this is one thing I'll be this out. So, this is one thing I'll be honest, dude, like Americans are not honest, dude, like Americans are not honest, dude, like Americans are not awesome at thinking this. Uh people awesome at thinking this. Uh people awesome at thinking this. Uh people don't like don't like don't like like Americans don't like it's not in like Americans don't like it's not in like Americans don't like it's not in generally in like a generally in like a generally in like a I Well, I'll just say it like this. Like I Well, I'll just say it like this. Like I Well, I'll just say it like this. Like Muslims vote with Muslims. Like you're I Muslims vote with Muslims. Like you're I Muslims vote with Muslims. Like you're I just spit everywhere. You're importing just spit everywhere. You're importing just spit everywhere. You're importing massive voting blocks that vote massive voting blocks that vote massive voting blocks that vote specifically for people who embody their specifically for people who embody their specifically for people who embody their religion.

religion. religion. Makes sense. This is Makes a lot of Makes sense. This is Makes a lot of Makes sense. This is Makes a lot of sense. It's human. It's a human impulse. sense. It's human. It's a human impulse. sense. It's human. It's a human impulse. See but I but so I mean you can see it See but I but so I mean you can see it See but I but so I mean you can see it like 97% of New York City Muslim voters like 97% of New York City Muslim voters like 97% of New York City Muslim voters is is is Momdani 86% for the Spanberger person Momdani 86% for the Spanberger person Momdani 86% for the Spanberger person and all these you're just seeing it like and all these you're just seeing it like and all these you're just seeing it like man it's it's extremely high man it's it's extremely high man it's it's extremely high concentrations extremely high concentrations extremely high concentrations extremely high concentrations. Okay. concentrations. Okay. concentrations. Okay. Okay. So working on immigration policy. Okay. So working on immigration policy. Okay. So working on immigration policy. Yeah, Christians should do that. Now go Yeah, Christians should do that. Now go Yeah, Christians should do that. Now go back to that chart Trini. back to that chart Trini. back to that chart Trini. And then here's the biggie and this is And then here's the biggie and this is And then here's the biggie and this is like the long play. It's kind of like like the long play. It's kind of like like the long play. It's kind of like overturning Roe took 49 years. This is overturning Roe took 49 years. This is overturning Roe took 49 years. This is the kind of thing that would take it's the kind of thing that would take it's the kind of thing that would take it's going to take a minute and there are going to take a minute and there are going to take a minute and there are people working on this. I ran across it people working on this. I ran across it people working on this. I ran across it this week. this week. this week. Overturning Everson Overturning Everson Overturning Everson >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> to return the question of these things >> to return the question of these things >> to return the question of these things to the states. to the states. to the states. Yeah dude that that's something that if Yeah dude that that's something that if Yeah dude that that's something that if Christians get a chance yeah we should Christians get a chance yeah we should Christians get a chance yeah we should probably shoot for that. Yeah if I'm probably shoot for that. Yeah if I'm probably shoot for that. Yeah if I'm understanding all this correctly. understanding all this correctly. understanding all this correctly. Now I'll just land on it here and you Now I'll just land on it here and you Now I'll just land on it here and you know I'll just say say a couple things. know I'll just say say a couple things. know I'll just say say a couple things. If you're like If you're like If you're like I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. There are two things I saw recently that There are two things I saw recently that There are two things I saw recently that made me like yeah dude like we have to made me like yeah dude like we have to made me like yeah dude like we have to learn to to think wisely from a spirit learn to to think wisely from a spirit learn to to think wisely from a spirit perspective. So Philip Anthony Mitchell perspective. So Philip Anthony Mitchell perspective. So Philip Anthony Mitchell is preacher I like to listen to every is preacher I like to listen to every is preacher I like to listen to every now and then. now and then. now and then. Uh he he honestly dude if people think Uh he he honestly dude if people think Uh he he honestly dude if people think that that that that man that Howard and guy he's really that man that Howard and guy he's really that man that Howard and guy he's really on an island over there talking about on an island over there talking about on an island over there talking about the Islam thing a lot. Uh the Islam thing a lot. Uh the Islam thing a lot. Uh Philip's been on this for a minute. So Philip's been on this for a minute. So Philip's been on this for a minute. So like Philip posted this this a few like Philip posted this this a few like Philip posted this this a few months ago. months ago. months ago. He said it's one thing to invade a He said it's one thing to invade a He said it's one thing to invade a nation by force. It's another when that nation by force. It's another when that nation by force. It's another when that nation invites her first her future nation invites her first her future nation invites her first her future persecutors into positions of power. Oh persecutors into positions of power. Oh persecutors into positions of power. Oh America our children will will suffer America our children will will suffer America our children will will suffer the painful consequences of our the painful consequences of our the painful consequences of our blindness and spiritual apathy if we blindness and spiritual apathy if we blindness and spiritual apathy if we don't wake up. Lord stir your bride. A don't wake up. Lord stir your bride. A don't wake up. Lord stir your bride. A religious takeover is coming and time is religious takeover is coming and time is religious takeover is coming and time is running out. That's Philip Anthony running out. That's Philip Anthony running out. That's Philip Anthony Mitchell. Mitchell. Mitchell. Now if you won't believe Now if you won't believe Now if you won't believe a dumb rural Kentucky kid or Philip a dumb rural Kentucky kid or Philip a dumb rural Kentucky kid or Philip Anthony Mitchell Anthony Mitchell Anthony Mitchell um or your Bible. um or your Bible. um or your Bible. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> Uh I do just want to play this and I'm >> Uh I do just want to play this and I'm >> Uh I do just want to play this and I'm going to play it it's like a it's like a going to play it it's like a it's like a going to play it it's like a it's like a minute and 15 seconds. I'm going to play minute and 15 seconds. I'm going to play minute and 15 seconds. I'm going to play it in its entirety.

it in its entirety. it in its entirety. This will send a chill down your spine. This will send a chill down your spine. This will send a chill down your spine. So, that guy that I pointed out at the So, that guy that I pointed out at the So, that guy that I pointed out at the very beginning of the episode, white very beginning of the episode, white very beginning of the episode, white shirt, long hair, shirt, long hair, shirt, long hair, who had some emotion responding to the who had some emotion responding to the who had some emotion responding to the guy. guy. guy. He got up at the end of the night and he He got up at the end of the night and he He got up at the end of the night and he was an Iranian Christian that escaped was an Iranian Christian that escaped was an Iranian Christian that escaped the Islamic regime in Iran. the Islamic regime in Iran. the Islamic regime in Iran. And this is what he said at that city And this is what he said at that city And this is what he said at that city council meeting. Check this out. council meeting. Check this out. council meeting. Check this out. >> Hello, my name is Eddie Izzard. >> Hello, my name is Eddie Izzard. >> Hello, my name is Eddie Izzard. I'm a Sharia law survivor from Iran. I'm a Sharia law survivor from Iran. I'm a Sharia law survivor from Iran. And I'm here to tell you this is a And I'm here to tell you this is a And I'm here to tell you this is a dangerous ideology you're allowing in dangerous ideology you're allowing in dangerous ideology you're allowing in their country. Every country that is their country. Every country that is their country. Every country that is Islamic now, it used to be a Christian Islamic now, it used to be a Christian Islamic now, it used to be a Christian country and we will be what country and we will be what country and we will be what >> Pause. >> Pause. >> Pause. That's a generalization, but it's all That's a generalization, but it's all That's a generalization, but it's all it's that is basically true. So, e- a it's that is basically true. So, e- a it's that is basically true. So, e- a lot of people don't know this. Egypt, lot of people don't know this. Egypt, lot of people don't know this. Egypt, Turkey, North Africa, it's all of North Turkey, North Africa, it's all of North Turkey, North Africa, it's all of North Africa, etc. Bro, all those were Africa, etc. Bro, all those were Africa, etc. Bro, all those were Christian countries. Christian countries. Christian countries. Like when you go visit the seven Like when you go visit the seven Like when you go visit the seven churches in Revelation, churches in Revelation, churches in Revelation, they're almost all of them, they're in they're almost all of them, they're in they're almost all of them, they're in Turkey, which is an Islamic country now.

Turkey, which is an Islamic country now. Turkey, which is an Islamic country now. >> And they didn't become Muslim because >> And they didn't become Muslim because >> And they didn't become Muslim because they thought the faith was really they thought the faith was really they thought the faith was really compelling. compelling. compelling. >> That is not exactly what happened. I'm >> That is not exactly what happened. I'm >> That is not exactly what happened. I'm going to talk about that here in a going to talk about that here in a going to talk about that here in a second. Spain was under Islamic control second. Spain was under Islamic control second. Spain was under Islamic control for many years. Greece had to fight wars for many years. Greece had to fight wars for many years. Greece had to fight wars >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> to, you know, >> to, you know, >> to, you know, to get it back. So, this is what he's to get it back. So, this is what he's to get it back. So, this is what he's talking about. That that guy is That talking about. That that guy is That talking about. That that guy is That dude ain't He's not shooting from the dude ain't He's not shooting from the dude ain't He's not shooting from the hip. He's not an idiot, okay? Now, keep hip. He's not an idiot, okay? Now, keep hip. He's not an idiot, okay? Now, keep going. going. going. >> ideology you're allowing in their >> ideology you're allowing in their >> ideology you're allowing in their country. Every country that is Islamic country. Every country that is Islamic country. Every country that is Islamic now, it used to be a Christian country now, it used to be a Christian country now, it used to be a Christian country and we will be were soft Christians and and we will be were soft Christians and and we will be were soft Christians and we allowed these people to come in, we allowed these people to come in, we allowed these people to come in, bring their Sharia law. bring their Sharia law. bring their Sharia law. >> Pause. >> Pause. >> Pause. Now, some Pause. Now, some people would Now, some Pause. Now, some people would Now, some Pause. Now, some people would look at that and they'd be like, "Oh, look at that and they'd be like, "Oh, look at that and they'd be like, "Oh, man, look at this guy. He's way over the man, look at this guy. He's way over the man, look at this guy. He's way over the top. Dude, there's just a few. What are top. Dude, there's just a few. What are top. Dude, there's just a few. What are you talking about, man? I'm talking you talking about, man? I'm talking you talking about, man? I'm talking about like a tiny concentration, just a about like a tiny concentration, just a about like a tiny concentration, just a few, that kind of thing." I'm going to few, that kind of thing." I'm going to few, that kind of thing." I'm going to read you something here in a second read you something here in a second read you something here in a second that's going to help Actually, I'm just that's going to help Actually, I'm just that's going to help Actually, I'm just going to read it right now. going to read it right now. going to read it right now. Um I'm just going to read it right now. Um I'm just going to read it right now. Um I'm just going to read it right now. Uh, Uh, Uh, Christians tend to think in terms of Christians tend to think in terms of Christians tend to think in terms of like decades. like decades. like decades. Muslims tend to think in terms of Muslims tend to think in terms of Muslims tend to think in terms of centuries. centuries. centuries. Okay? So, check this out. Now, before we Okay? So, check this out. Now, before we Okay? So, check this out. Now, before we go any Keep Keep it right there, go any Keep Keep it right there, go any Keep Keep it right there, Trinity.

Trinity. Trinity. So, what he's talking about when he says So, what he's talking about when he says So, what he's talking about when he says the word slowly, the word slowly, the word slowly, he's talking about the fact that yeah, he's talking about the fact that yeah, he's talking about the fact that yeah, man, like world political con- conquest man, like world political con- conquest man, like world political con- conquest is endemic to the ideology of Islam. is endemic to the ideology of Islam. is endemic to the ideology of Islam. That has always been the thing. That has always been the thing. That has always been the thing. Uh, shocking, ran across this this week. Uh, shocking, ran across this this week. Uh, shocking, ran across this this week. For instance, in 2004, the FBI uh For instance, in 2004, the FBI uh For instance, in 2004, the FBI uh grabbed this they raided this thing and grabbed this they raided this thing and grabbed this they raided this thing and they found a document from the Muslim they found a document from the Muslim they found a document from the Muslim Brotherhood that's now been labeled uh a Brotherhood that's now been labeled uh a Brotherhood that's now been labeled uh a terrorist organization uh terrorist organization uh terrorist organization uh by the American government. by the American government. by the American government. And [snorts] they found this expl- It And [snorts] they found this expl- It And [snorts] they found this expl- It was an explanatory memorandum. Now, was an explanatory memorandum. Now, was an explanatory memorandum. Now, again, again, again, do all Muslims think this way? No. do all Muslims think this way? No. do all Muslims think this way? No. We're talking about what happens at the We're talking about what happens at the We're talking about what happens at the macro level when la- huge numbers of macro level when la- huge numbers of macro level when la- huge numbers of people are imported into a society with people are imported into a society with people are imported into a society with general mindsets, what happens at the general mindsets, what happens at the general mindsets, what happens at the macro level over centuries? That's the macro level over centuries? That's the macro level over centuries? That's the question we're asking, okay? So, the FBI question we're asking, okay? So, the FBI question we're asking, okay? So, the FBI finds this uh It was called an finds this uh It was called an finds this uh It was called an explanatory memorandum.

explanatory memorandum. explanatory memorandum. And this is how they described it, on And this is how they described it, on And this is how they described it, on the general strategic goal for the group the general strategic goal for the group the general strategic goal for the group in North America. So, basically, for in North America. So, basically, for in North America. So, basically, for Muslims in America. This is what they Muslims in America. This is what they Muslims in America. This is what they said. I'm I'm going to read it. This is said. I'm I'm going to read it. This is said. I'm I'm going to read it. This is their document outlining the strategy. their document outlining the strategy. their document outlining the strategy. The process of settlement, so it's The process of settlement, so it's The process of settlement, so it's talking about mass Islamic migration. talking about mass Islamic migration. talking about mass Islamic migration. The process of settlement is a quote The process of settlement is a quote The process of settlement is a quote civilization jihadist process with all civilization jihadist process with all civilization jihadist process with all that the word means. The Ikhwan, which that the word means. The Ikhwan, which that the word means. The Ikhwan, which just means brother, just means brother, just means brother, must understand that their work in must understand that their work in must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in America is a kind of grand jihad in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western eliminating and destroying the Western eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within civilization from within civilization from within and sabotaging its miserable house by and sabotaging its miserable house by and sabotaging its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the their hands and the hands of the their hands and the hands of the believers believers believers so that it is eliminated and God's so that it is eliminated and God's so that it is eliminated and God's religion, talking about Allah, religion, talking about Allah, religion, talking about Allah, is made victorious over all other is made victorious over all other is made victorious over all other religions. So, some people might laugh religions. So, some people might laugh religions. So, some people might laugh at a guy like that and be like, "You at a guy like that and be like, "You at a guy like that and be like, "You What a dumb little fellow." What a dumb little fellow." What a dumb little fellow." We're just talking about just a couple We're just talking about just a couple We're just talking about just a couple just that kind of thing. just that kind of thing. just that kind of thing. That guy has That guy has That guy has home country native experience of no, home country native experience of no, home country native experience of no, no.

no. no. There are certain people who they don't There are certain people who they don't There are certain people who they don't think like you. think like you. think like you. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> They're not thinking about the next 10 >> They're not thinking about the next 10 >> They're not thinking about the next 10 years. They're thinking about the next years. They're thinking about the next years. They're thinking about the next 300 years. 300 years. 300 years. And he says So, when he says he's saying And he says So, when he says he's saying And he says So, when he says he's saying that's what he's talking about. I'll that's what he's talking about. I'll that's what he's talking about. I'll keep going. Watch what he says. keep going. Watch what he says. keep going. Watch what he says. >> Allah into the our countries and slowly >> Allah into the our countries and slowly >> Allah into the our countries and slowly kill us off left and right. Let me make kill us off left and right. Let me make kill us off left and right. Let me make it very clear to you. it very clear to you. it very clear to you. Christianity is a personal relationship Christianity is a personal relationship Christianity is a personal relationship with God where it says with God where it says with God where it says >> He's a Christian. >> He's a Christian. >> He's a Christian. >> Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's. >> Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's. >> Render unto Caesar's what is Caesar's. Render unto God what is God's. Islam is Render unto God what is God's. Islam is Render unto God what is God's. Islam is Sharia law, din wa daw'ah, religion and Sharia law, din wa daw'ah, religion and Sharia law, din wa daw'ah, religion and state, which is not even compatible with state, which is not even compatible with state, which is not even compatible with the American thing. the American thing. the American thing. >> Pause. >> Pause. >> Pause. Now, what he's saying, and I just want Now, what he's saying, and I just want Now, what he's saying, and I just want to keep pointing this out. He's pointing to keep pointing this out. He's pointing to keep pointing this out. He's pointing out the fact that Islam is not We just out the fact that Islam is not We just out the fact that Islam is not We just have to say it. Islam is not just a have to say it. Islam is not just a have to say it. Islam is not just a religion. religion. religion. It's also a political ideology. It's also a political ideology. It's also a political ideology. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So, the thing I like to say sometimes is >> So, the thing I like to say sometimes is >> So, the thing I like to say sometimes is progressivism is a religion masquerading progressivism is a religion masquerading progressivism is a religion masquerading as a political political ideology. Islam as a political political ideology. Islam as a political political ideology. Islam is a political ideology masquerading as is a political ideology masquerading as is a political ideology masquerading as a religion. a religion. a religion. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, I There's more I could say here. >> So, I There's more I could say here. >> So, I There's more I could say here. That's what he's talking about. There is That's what he's talking about. There is That's what he's talking about. There is no such thing as Islam that does not no such thing as Islam that does not no such thing as Islam that does not have a vision for what it wants to do have a vision for what it wants to do have a vision for what it wants to do take infiltrate take over and do at the take infiltrate take over and do at the take infiltrate take over and do at the political governmental leadership level.

political governmental leadership level. political governmental leadership level. Keep Keep Keep >> will use taqiyya to lie to you, to >> will use taqiyya to lie to you, to >> will use taqiyya to lie to you, to manipulate you because whenever Islam is manipulate you because whenever Islam is manipulate you because whenever Islam is little, they will lie to you and tell little, they will lie to you and tell little, they will lie to you and tell you they come in peace. This is a bad you they come in peace. This is a bad you they come in peace. This is a bad idea and you're going to regret not idea and you're going to regret not idea and you're going to regret not listening to people like us who lived listening to people like us who lived listening to people like us who lived under Sharia law. under Sharia law. under Sharia law. >> Thank you, Daddy. >> Thank you, Daddy. >> Thank you, Daddy. >> You can stop right there. >> You can stop right there. >> You can stop right there. So, I'll just say Here's how you might So, I'll just say Here's how you might So, I'll just say Here's how you might say it. say it. say it. Unrestricted and falsely interpreted Unrestricted and falsely interpreted Unrestricted and falsely interpreted concepts of religious liberty concepts of religious liberty concepts of religious liberty plus mass migration plus mass migration plus mass migration plus Muslims are being discipled into plus Muslims are being discipled into plus Muslims are being discipled into clear political activity and strategy clear political activity and strategy clear political activity and strategy while Christians are often being while Christians are often being while Christians are often being discipled away from clear political discipled away from clear political discipled away from clear political activity and strategy. activity and strategy. activity and strategy. That combination, my friends, is a That combination, my friends, is a That combination, my friends, is a national suicide pact. national suicide pact. national suicide pact. That's what he's pointing out. That's what he's pointing out. That's what he's pointing out. Now, let me just land it. You guys got Now, let me just land it. You guys got Now, let me just land it. You guys got any questions here? We good? How we You any questions here? We good? How we You any questions here? We good? How we You got questions, comments, snide remarks got questions, comments, snide remarks got questions, comments, snide remarks or otherwise? or otherwise? or otherwise? >> You want me to share thoughts now or do >> You want me to share thoughts now or do >> You want me to share thoughts now or do you want to wait till after you're done you want to wait till after you're done you want to wait till after you're done cooking? cooking? cooking? >> Uh share some thoughts now and then I'm >> Uh share some thoughts now and then I'm >> Uh share some thoughts now and then I'm going to say going to say going to say then I'll finish just by like here's then I'll finish just by like here's then I'll finish just by like here's what you can do what you can do what you can do >> That's good.

>> That's good. >> That's good. >> and here's what you can't do. >> and here's what you can't do. >> and here's what you can't do. >> That's good. I I'd just say it just a >> That's good. I I'd just say it just a >> That's good. I I'd just say it just a few comments. One's an encouragement and few comments. One's an encouragement and few comments. One's an encouragement and then just a few things I'm wrestling then just a few things I'm wrestling then just a few things I'm wrestling with and just kind of even pack some with and just kind of even pack some with and just kind of even pack some different things that you've hit on. different things that you've hit on. different things that you've hit on. Man, just one encouragement and we've Man, just one encouragement and we've Man, just one encouragement and we've said this before but probably not said this before but probably not said this before but probably not frequently enough is man, I think frequently enough is man, I think frequently enough is man, I think Christians have gotten better at Christians have gotten better at Christians have gotten better at engaging in politics at a national level engaging in politics at a national level engaging in politics at a national level over the last four to eight years. Where over the last four to eight years. Where over the last four to eight years. Where we have a lot of ground to make up is we have a lot of ground to make up is we have a lot of ground to make up is doing it on a state and local level. And doing it on a state and local level. And doing it on a state and local level. And that is actually where culture is formed that is actually where culture is formed that is actually where culture is formed in a real way and things like these. And in a real way and things like these. And in a real way and things like these. And so, that's just one thing is just to so, that's just one thing is just to so, that's just one thing is just to encourage Christians that yes, by all encourage Christians that yes, by all encourage Christians that yes, by all means vote in national elections, make means vote in national elections, make means vote in national elections, make your voice heard. But man, actually it's your voice heard. But man, actually it's your voice heard. But man, actually it's like in local school boards and city like in local school boards and city like in local school boards and city councils and votes like this where you councils and votes like this where you councils and votes like this where you need to be just as active and involved need to be just as active and involved need to be just as active and involved cuz this is where if you're if I'm cuz this is where if you're if I'm cuz this is where if you're if I'm playing a long game, playing a long game, playing a long game, I actually might work more at a local or I actually might work more at a local or I actually might work more at a local or state level than a national level. Um to state level than a national level. Um to state level than a national level. Um to your point. Couple things I got honestly your point. Couple things I got honestly your point. Couple things I got honestly even as I've been wrestling this week, even as I've been wrestling this week, even as I've been wrestling this week, Carlos and I have talked some offline is Carlos and I have talked some offline is Carlos and I have talked some offline is like man, I've been I've been wrestling like man, I've been I've been wrestling like man, I've been I've been wrestling with this. It's like 50/50 either side with this. It's like 50/50 either side with this. It's like 50/50 either side because because because I a few things that I've been asking I a few things that I've been asking I a few things that I've been asking myself. So, I'm not trying to impose myself. So, I'm not trying to impose myself. So, I'm not trying to impose this on everybody, this is just things this on everybody, this is just things this on everybody, this is just things I've been wrestling with is man, there I've been wrestling with is man, there I've been wrestling with is man, there is just some I don't call it simplistic is just some I don't call it simplistic is just some I don't call it simplistic but there's the straightforward argument but there's the straightforward argument but there's the straightforward argument of like man, we should oppose demon of like man, we should oppose demon of like man, we should oppose demon worship. We should. The thing I've been worship. We should. The thing I've been worship. We should. The thing I've been wrestling with is hey, if I was going if wrestling with is hey, if I was going if wrestling with is hey, if I was going if I'm going to do do with Muslims, would I I'm going to do do with Muslims, would I I'm going to do do with Muslims, would I also do that with other groups?

also do that with other groups? also do that with other groups? Cuz if I would, then I'm like, oh, there Cuz if I would, then I'm like, oh, there Cuz if I would, then I'm like, oh, there might be some hypocrisy in myself. It's might be some hypocrisy in myself. It's might be some hypocrisy in myself. It's like I believe Joseph Jehovah's like I believe Joseph Jehovah's like I believe Joseph Jehovah's Witnesses a false religion. Would I also Witnesses a false religion. Would I also Witnesses a false religion. Would I also oppose their zoning? And if not, I have oppose their zoning? And if not, I have oppose their zoning? And if not, I have to ask myself. By the way, it doesn't to ask myself. By the way, it doesn't to ask myself. By the way, it doesn't mean I shouldn't oppose it. I'm saying mean I shouldn't oppose it. I'm saying mean I shouldn't oppose it. I'm saying that's more just a gut check in myself. that's more just a gut check in myself. that's more just a gut check in myself. If I'm going to use that argument, I If I'm going to use that argument, I If I'm going to use that argument, I should use it consistently. should use it consistently. should use it consistently. >> Yeah, that that No, no, this is not >> Yeah, that that No, no, this is not >> Yeah, that that No, no, this is not disagreeing with you, it's adding. What disagreeing with you, it's adding. What disagreeing with you, it's adding. What I would say is that different forms of I would say is that different forms of I would say is that different forms of false religion have asymmetrical false religion have asymmetrical false religion have asymmetrical outcomes in their in how destructive outcomes in their in how destructive outcomes in their in how destructive they are to society. they are to society. they are to society. >> where I was actually going next. You hit >> where I was actually going next. You hit >> where I was actually going next. You hit it. Cuz then I was like, okay, if there it. Cuz then I was like, okay, if there it. Cuz then I was like, okay, if there is something to me, then it's then I'm is something to me, then it's then I'm is something to me, then it's then I'm like you. It's a strategic thing and like you. It's a strategic thing and like you. It's a strategic thing and it's about the common good thing. it's about the common good thing. it's about the common good thing. Uh kind of a thing. Then when I've Uh kind of a thing. Then when I've Uh kind of a thing. Then when I've wrestled with this like at a local city, wrestled with this like at a local city, wrestled with this like at a local city, you know, kind of a thing, like, oh, you know, kind of a thing, like, oh, you know, kind of a thing, like, oh, should I oppose? I'm like you, do it should I oppose? I'm like you, do it should I oppose? I'm like you, do it wisely. Do it in a way that wins. But wisely. Do it in a way that wins. But wisely. Do it in a way that wins. But here is one thing that I had to tell here is one thing that I had to tell here is one thing that I had to tell myself this week is, hey, if I were to myself this week is, hey, if I were to myself this week is, hey, if I were to go and do that, I have to also know that go and do that, I have to also know that go and do that, I have to also know that then they can play that game with us. So then they can play that game with us. So then they can play that game with us. So then, what if a place that has majority then, what if a place that has majority then, what if a place that has majority Muslim population city council opposes a Muslim population city council opposes a Muslim population city council opposes a church being planted? church being planted? church being planted? >> or very frankly, uh we have the >> or very frankly, uh we have the >> or very frankly, uh we have the strategic launch network that plants uh strategic launch network that plants uh strategic launch network that plants uh we've planted 100 churches in extremely we've planted 100 churches in extremely we've planted 100 churches in extremely secular progressive cities. I'll shoot secular progressive cities. I'll shoot secular progressive cities. I'll shoot you real straight. They very frequently you real straight. They very frequently you real straight. They very frequently play the the {quote} {unquote} zoning play the the {quote} {unquote} zoning play the the {quote} {unquote} zoning issues game to keep churches from being issues game to keep churches from being issues game to keep churches from being built in those cities. Like, listen, built in those cities. Like, listen, built in those cities. Like, listen, very frequently.

very frequently. very frequently. >> And by the And I'm not saying that we >> And by the And I'm not saying that we >> And by the And I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it. I'm more just saying shouldn't do it. I'm more just saying shouldn't do it. I'm more just saying that, hey, if we're going to play that that, hey, if we're going to play that that, hey, if we're going to play that game, we just got to know they may play game, we just got to know they may play game, we just got to know they may play it back with us. And we can't be like it back with us. And we can't be like it back with us. And we can't be like LeBron or Luka where everybody fouls us, LeBron or Luka where everybody fouls us, LeBron or Luka where everybody fouls us, but we never foul the people. Like we but we never foul the people. Like we but we never foul the people. Like we could be like, hey, if we're going to could be like, hey, if we're going to could be like, hey, if we're going to play, we just got to know it may go back play, we just got to know it may go back play, we just got to know it may go back vice versa, and that's fine. I And vice versa, and that's fine. I And vice versa, and that's fine. I And again, I'm just trying to say these again, I'm just trying to say these again, I'm just trying to say these things that I'm wrestling with. things that I'm wrestling with. things that I'm wrestling with. >> trying to figure this out. >> trying to figure this out. >> trying to figure this out. >> I'm trying to figure it out. And that's >> I'm trying to figure it out. And that's >> I'm trying to figure it out. And that's where That's why it's been so hard is where That's why it's been so hard is where That's why it's been so hard is like I can see that all the arguments, like I can see that all the arguments, like I can see that all the arguments, but that's where I'm like, hey, if we do but that's where I'm like, hey, if we do but that's where I'm like, hey, if we do this, we just got to know it may happen this, we just got to know it may happen this, we just got to know it may happen back, and are we willing to? And if we back, and are we willing to? And if we back, and are we willing to? And if we are, great. We just got to know that. Um are, great. We just got to know that. Um are, great. We just got to know that. Um but I think again, to up for me, then but I think again, to up for me, then but I think again, to up for me, then it's like saying, hey, we got to keep it's like saying, hey, we got to keep it's like saying, hey, we got to keep the tension. We've said this already, the tension. We've said this already, the tension. We've said this already, but I think just repeat, then I'll I'll but I think just repeat, then I'll I'll but I think just repeat, then I'll I'll I'll let you get back to it, is saying, I'll let you get back to it, is saying, I'll let you get back to it, is saying, hey, man, I it has to be a both and. I hey, man, I it has to be a both and. I hey, man, I it has to be a both and. I have to think I love the strategy laid have to think I love the strategy laid have to think I love the strategy laid out of things that we can do to take out of things that we can do to take out of things that we can do to take practical steps towards slowing and practical steps towards slowing and practical steps towards slowing and reversing the Islamification of society reversing the Islamification of society reversing the Islamification of society cuz we do need to. And I want to reach cuz we do need to. And I want to reach cuz we do need to. And I want to reach them with the gospel and reach my them with the gospel and reach my them with the gospel and reach my neighbors. It's a both and. So that's neighbors. It's a both and. So that's neighbors. It's a both and. So that's just where I'm at. I just want to share just where I'm at. I just want to share just where I'm at. I just want to share where I'm at, the things I'm wrestling where I'm at, the things I'm wrestling where I'm at, the things I'm wrestling with, and let you get back to it, man. with, and let you get back to it, man. with, and let you get back to it, man. >> Yeah, we were talking about, you know, >> Yeah, we were talking about, you know, >> Yeah, we were talking about, you know, one, again, a lot of people are going to one, again, a lot of people are going to one, again, a lot of people are going to probably wrestling with this point to probably wrestling with this point to probably wrestling with this point to the New Testament and they would argue, the New Testament and they would argue, the New Testament and they would argue, "Hey, but that's not what you see in the "Hey, but that's not what you see in the "Hey, but that's not what you see in the New Testament church, especially, right?

New Testament church, especially, right? New Testament church, especially, right? And I I think I have an answer to that. And I I think I have an answer to that. And I I think I have an answer to that. Uh because they couldn't, right? Like Uh because they couldn't, right? Like Uh because they couldn't, right? Like they just they just they just >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> like they literally couldn't. >> like they literally couldn't. >> like they literally couldn't. Um and you you don't ignore the other Um and you you don't ignore the other Um and you you don't ignore the other parts of scripture that you've laid out parts of scripture that you've laid out parts of scripture that you've laid out so clearly about the responsibility of a so clearly about the responsibility of a so clearly about the responsibility of a Christian again to we are Christians not Christian again to we are Christians not Christian again to we are Christians not just in our private little sphere on just in our private little sphere on just in our private little sphere on Sundays, but every single aspect of Sundays, but every single aspect of Sundays, but every single aspect of society. That's our responsibility. society. That's our responsibility. society. That's our responsibility. Um and uh at the same time, when you Um and uh at the same time, when you Um and uh at the same time, when you look at history, look at history, look at history, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was going to ask you, Paul, would you >> I was going to ask you, Paul, would you >> I was going to ask you, Paul, would you just give us like a quick like when you just give us like a quick like when you just give us like a quick like when you look at Christian history, have they look at Christian history, have they look at Christian history, have they been involved? Have they not been been involved? Have they not been been involved? Have they not been involved? involved? involved? >> Christians? >> Christians? >> Christians? >> All through our history, Christians. >> All through our history, Christians. >> All through our history, Christians. That's right. That's right. That's right. >> We had this little thing called >> We had this little thing called >> We had this little thing called Christendom that we did for like a Christendom that we did for like a Christendom that we did for like a thousand years. thousand years. thousand years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So this is really [laughter] This is >> So this is really [laughter] This is >> So this is really [laughter] This is really simplistic, but let me I'll do really simplistic, but let me I'll do really simplistic, but let me I'll do this fast for you. It's It's like cuz this fast for you. It's It's like cuz this fast for you. It's It's like cuz yeah, cuz it to your point, when the New yeah, cuz it to your point, when the New yeah, cuz it to your point, when the New Testament was written, they didn't have Testament was written, they didn't have Testament was written, they didn't have an option. But the thing that was always an option. But the thing that was always an option. But the thing that was always thing is we're going to make disciples, thing is we're going to make disciples, thing is we're going to make disciples, and guess what? We're going to disciple and guess what? We're going to disciple and guess what? We're going to disciple people to obey Jesus and live out their people to obey Jesus and live out their people to obey Jesus and live out their faith in every sphere of their lives, faith in every sphere of their lives, faith in every sphere of their lives, including in their homes, but also including in their homes, but also including in their homes, but also including their workplaces. Well, guess including their workplaces. Well, guess including their workplaces. Well, guess what? Guess what happens all of a sudden what? Guess what happens all of a sudden what? Guess what happens all of a sudden when a Christian emperor becomes a when a Christian emperor becomes a when a Christian emperor becomes a Christian? Christian? Christian? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He begins asking, "How do I live out my >> He begins asking, "How do I live out my >> He begins asking, "How do I live out my faith as an emperor?"

faith as an emperor?" faith as an emperor?" >> about Constantine, 300s. >> about Constantine, 300s. >> about Constantine, 300s. >> And then I'm I'm again, I'm way >> And then I'm I'm again, I'm way >> And then I'm I'm again, I'm way simplifying. But then all of a sudden, simplifying. But then all of a sudden, simplifying. But then all of a sudden, when you do have people in power who when you do have people in power who when you do have people in power who love Jesus, and they're if they're going love Jesus, and they're if they're going love Jesus, and they're if they're going to live out their life as a disciple and to live out their life as a disciple and to live out their life as a disciple and as a follower of Jesus, that includes as a follower of Jesus, that includes as a follower of Jesus, that includes then there's the role, and so they're then there's the role, and so they're then there's the role, and so they're going to think, "Well, hey, if I'm going to think, "Well, hey, if I'm going to think, "Well, hey, if I'm running this nation and this empire, I running this nation and this empire, I running this nation and this empire, I want to do it in a way that aligns with want to do it in a way that aligns with want to do it in a way that aligns with my faith and values." And that builds my faith and values." And that builds my faith and values." And that builds over time, but then here's the thing, over time, but then here's the thing, over time, but then here's the thing, what's different today is that we don't what's different today is that we don't what's different today is that we don't have an emperor, but man, I exert have an emperor, but man, I exert have an emperor, but man, I exert influence in political influence in political influence in political um um um in political influence because I vote. in political influence because I vote. in political influence because I vote. I'm a citizen of a constitutional I'm a citizen of a constitutional I'm a citizen of a constitutional republic. And so I should be asking as a republic. And so I should be asking as a republic. And so I should be asking as a Christian if like, "Hey, as a disciple Christian if like, "Hey, as a disciple Christian if like, "Hey, as a disciple of Jesus, how should I wield my of Jesus, how should I wield my of Jesus, how should I wield my influence in how I vote as a disciple?" influence in how I vote as a disciple?" influence in how I vote as a disciple?" It's not a separate thing. It's part of It's not a separate thing. It's part of It's not a separate thing. It's part of being a disciple. So basically it's like being a disciple. So basically it's like being a disciple. So basically it's like Constantine got to do it, you don't, Constantine got to do it, you don't, Constantine got to do it, you don't, lottery and others. Now as Christians we lottery and others. Now as Christians we lottery and others. Now as Christians we carry that responsibility individually. carry that responsibility individually. carry that responsibility individually. That's kind of how I would think That's kind of how I would think That's kind of how I would think >> Yeah, let me say I'm going to I'm going >> Yeah, let me say I'm going to I'm going >> Yeah, let me say I'm going to I'm going to riff on what you just said, Carlos, to riff on what you just said, Carlos, to riff on what you just said, Carlos, and then I'm going to finish this and then I'm going to finish this and then I'm going to finish this episode telling you like, "Hey, if episode telling you like, "Hey, if episode telling you like, "Hey, if you're a Christian in a city where this you're a Christian in a city where this you're a Christian in a city where this is a thing, here's what you are allowed is a thing, here's what you are allowed is a thing, here's what you are allowed to do." Because I actually like worked to do." Because I actually like worked to do." Because I actually like worked on this with a lawyer. on this with a lawyer. on this with a lawyer. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So I just do want to answer your >> So I just do want to answer your >> So I just do want to answer your question cuz a lot of Christians are question cuz a lot of Christians are question cuz a lot of Christians are like, "Hey, that's not what they did in like, "Hey, that's not what they did in like, "Hey, that's not what they did in the Bible." And you're like the Bible." And you're like the Bible." And you're like your response is the right one. Bro, your response is the right one. Bro, your response is the right one. Bro, they couldn't. There's There's 120 of they couldn't. There's There's 120 of they couldn't. There's There's 120 of them in the Roman Empire.

them in the Roman Empire. them in the Roman Empire. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You know, so what I would say is a >> You know, so what I would say is a >> You know, so what I would say is a couple things. Jesus specifically couple things. Jesus specifically couple things. Jesus specifically predicted that the kingdom of God would predicted that the kingdom of God would predicted that the kingdom of God would grow in the world like leaven through a grow in the world like leaven through a grow in the world like leaven through a lump of bread. So it's going to start lump of bread. So it's going to start lump of bread. So it's going to start really, really small and then over the really, really small and then over the really, really small and then over the centuries it's going to work and work centuries it's going to work and work centuries it's going to work and work and work and work and work, okay? The and work and work and work, okay? The and work and work and work, okay? The other thing I would point out is Jesus other thing I would point out is Jesus other thing I would point out is Jesus specifically commanded people in the specifically commanded people in the specifically commanded people in the Sermon of the Mount to be, quote, "the Sermon of the Mount to be, quote, "the Sermon of the Mount to be, quote, "the salt of the earth." He did not say, "I salt of the earth." He did not say, "I salt of the earth." He did not say, "I just want you to be the salt of the just want you to be the salt of the just want you to be the salt of the church. Just keep the salt in the salt church. Just keep the salt in the salt church. Just keep the salt in the salt shaker." And just you you know, don't shaker." And just you you know, don't shaker." And just you you know, don't don't apply your Christianity in the don't apply your Christianity in the don't apply your Christianity in the public square. Don't ever do that, you public square. Don't ever do that, you public square. Don't ever do that, you know, we lose down here kind of vibe know, we lose down here kind of vibe know, we lose down here kind of vibe kind of thing. We we know he was Hey kind of thing. We we know he was Hey kind of thing. We we know he was Hey man, go out. Jesus uh man, go out. Jesus uh man, go out. Jesus uh Jesus' actual title in the New Testament Jesus' actual title in the New Testament Jesus' actual title in the New Testament is king of kings. is king of kings. is king of kings. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's like his name. It's tattooed on >> That's like his name. It's tattooed on >> That's like his name. It's tattooed on his thigh. his thigh. his thigh. >> That has That has more authority than a >> That has That has more authority than a >> That has That has more authority than a president and a government. president and a government. president and a government. >> The implication is all the presidents >> The implication is all the presidents >> The implication is all the presidents should be bowing to me and doing what I should be bowing to me and doing what I should be bowing to me and doing what I want. want. want. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> That's a good point. >> That's a good point. >> That's a good point. >> And then uh I mean you I could keep >> And then uh I mean you I could keep >> And then uh I mean you I could keep going. You got the I won't keep going. going. You got the I won't keep going. going. You got the I won't keep going. Temptation of Jesus, all the kingdoms, Temptation of Jesus, all the kingdoms, Temptation of Jesus, all the kingdoms, all the things. I could keep going. All all the things. I could keep going. All all the things. I could keep going. All right. So let me just land on this. If right. So let me just land on this. If right. So let me just land on this. If you're Here's what I think. I I do I you're Here's what I think. I I do I you're Here's what I think. I I do I think um think um think um it it it would not be inappropriate for it it it would not be inappropriate for it it it would not be inappropriate for Christians in a city to by by legal Christians in a city to by by legal Christians in a city to by by legal means, if there is a legal and ethical means, if there is a legal and ethical means, if there is a legal and ethical means to oppose it and keep it from means to oppose it and keep it from means to oppose it and keep it from happening, I I don't think there's happening, I I don't think there's happening, I I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's two anything wrong with that. There's two anything wrong with that. There's two ways you can do that. I'll just tell ways you can do that. I'll just tell ways you can do that. I'll just tell you. Number one, it's called in in the you. Number one, it's called in in the you. Number one, it's called in in the state of Texas, it's called a formal state of Texas, it's called a formal state of Texas, it's called a formal property owners protest.

property owners protest. property owners protest. You just got to get a land use lawyer. You just got to get a land use lawyer. You just got to get a land use lawyer. You got to find somebody who has who You got to find somebody who has who You got to find somebody who has who owns 20% of the contiguous land with the owns 20% of the contiguous land with the owns 20% of the contiguous land with the proposal. This is when This is when proposal. This is when This is when proposal. This is when This is when something needs a zoning change, is what something needs a zoning change, is what something needs a zoning change, is what what it needs. what it needs. what it needs. Uh and you just fire file a formal Uh and you just fire file a formal Uh and you just fire file a formal property owners protest, but it cannot property owners protest, but it cannot property owners protest, but it cannot be be be on the basis of on the basis of on the basis of uh well, it's Islamic or I No, you have uh well, it's Islamic or I No, you have uh well, it's Islamic or I No, you have to be able to with integrity say, "Hey, to be able to with integrity say, "Hey, to be able to with integrity say, "Hey, dude, you know, traffic flow and da da dude, you know, traffic flow and da da dude, you know, traffic flow and da da da da da." You have to with integrity be da da da." You have to with integrity be da da da." You have to with integrity be able to say those things and file it on able to say those things and file it on able to say those things and file it on that basis, okay? So, that's number one. that basis, okay? So, that's number one. that basis, okay? So, that's number one. If a zoning change is required, formal If a zoning change is required, formal If a zoning change is required, formal property owners protest. Number two, property owners protest. Number two, property owners protest. Number two, uh if I understand this correctly, I uh if I understand this correctly, I uh if I understand this correctly, I think this is national, I think, think this is national, I think, think this is national, I think, federal, but I'm sure that it applies in federal, but I'm sure that it applies in federal, but I'm sure that it applies in the state of Texas. Um I was texting the state of Texas. Um I was texting the state of Texas. Um I was texting with somebody uh in government with somebody uh in government with somebody uh in government leadership uh that would know the answer leadership uh that would know the answer leadership uh that would know the answer to this question, who shall remain to this question, who shall remain to this question, who shall remain nameless. nameless. nameless. They [snorts] he just honestly pointed They [snorts] he just honestly pointed They [snorts] he just honestly pointed out, "Hey, man, uh a significant number out, "Hey, man, uh a significant number out, "Hey, man, uh a significant number of uh potential mosque developments are of uh potential mosque developments are of uh potential mosque developments are connected in some way to one of the two connected in some way to one of the two connected in some way to one of the two organizations, the Muslim Brotherhood or organizations, the Muslim Brotherhood or organizations, the Muslim Brotherhood or CAIR." And that's what CAIR, uh um them CAIR." And that's what CAIR, uh um them CAIR." And that's what CAIR, uh um them and and and any affil- those two organizations and any affil- those two organizations and any affil- those two organizations and any affiliate is banned in Texas from any affiliate is banned in Texas from any affiliate is banned in Texas from owning land.

owning land. owning land. So, if if someone can establish in any So, if if someone can establish in any So, if if someone can establish in any way, "Hey, that's there's an affiliate way, "Hey, that's there's an affiliate way, "Hey, that's there's an affiliate relationship right there in any way." relationship right there in any way." relationship right there in any way." Um that is no Um that is no Um that is no no not allowed to own land. None. It's no not allowed to own land. None. It's no not allowed to own land. None. It's done. So, from what I understand, what done. So, from what I understand, what done. So, from what I understand, what you do is you file a public records you do is you file a public records you do is you file a public records request request request uh on uh the potential development's uh on uh the potential development's uh on uh the potential development's paperwork, nonprofit status, nonprofit paperwork, nonprofit status, nonprofit paperwork, nonprofit status, nonprofit status, and any connection to CAIR or status, and any connection to CAIR or status, and any connection to CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood. and if you the Muslim Brotherhood. and if you the Muslim Brotherhood. and if you establish it, boom, done, then you file establish it, boom, done, then you file establish it, boom, done, then you file that complaint with the Texas AG's that complaint with the Texas AG's that complaint with the Texas AG's office, and it's it's done. office, and it's it's done. office, and it's it's done. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, that's a little nerdy and wheezy. >> So, that's a little nerdy and wheezy. >> So, that's a little nerdy and wheezy. Now, let me finish. I'm going to finish Now, let me finish. I'm going to finish Now, let me finish. I'm going to finish by reading our brother Shari Khan, the by reading our brother Shari Khan, the by reading our brother Shari Khan, the guy that uh converted uh out of Islam as guy that uh converted uh out of Islam as guy that uh converted uh out of Islam as a Jesus follower now, cuz he said a Jesus follower now, cuz he said a Jesus follower now, cuz he said something about this that I think needs something about this that I think needs something about this that I think needs to be our final note of emphasis. I'm to be our final note of emphasis. I'm to be our final note of emphasis. I'm going to read what he said. I like what going to read what he said. I like what going to read what he said. I like what he said. he said. he said. Everyone is suddenly paying attention to Everyone is suddenly paying attention to Everyone is suddenly paying attention to begin McKinney because of a mosque, a begin McKinney because of a mosque, a begin McKinney because of a mosque, a 7-0 vote and a political controversy. 7-0 vote and a political controversy. 7-0 vote and a political controversy. I work in McKinney twice a week, and I work in McKinney twice a week, and I work in McKinney twice a week, and here's what I'm actually seeing on the here's what I'm actually seeing on the here's what I'm actually seeing on the ground. ground. ground. The biggest problem isn't So, notice The biggest problem isn't So, notice The biggest problem isn't So, notice he's saying the biggest problem. He's he's saying the biggest problem. He's he's saying the biggest problem. He's not saying there's no other problem.

not saying there's no other problem. not saying there's no other problem. He's saying the biggest problem. The He's saying the biggest problem. The He's saying the biggest problem. The biggest problem isn't that Muslims and biggest problem isn't that Muslims and biggest problem isn't that Muslims and Hindus are moving here, 300% more Hindus are moving here, 300% more Hindus are moving here, 300% more Hindus, by the way. Hindus, by the way. Hindus, by the way. It's that the church is largely absent. It's that the church is largely absent. It's that the church is largely absent. Now, he's not saying there's no good Now, he's not saying there's no good Now, he's not saying there's no good churches over there. And listen, we churches over there. And listen, we churches over there. And listen, we know, I know there's some great dudes know, I know there's some great dudes know, I know there's some great dudes over there. So, I just want to get that over there. So, I just want to get that over there. So, I just want to get that out there. out there. out there. People have moved here, built People have moved here, built People have moved here, built businesses, bought beautiful homes, businesses, bought beautiful homes, businesses, bought beautiful homes, raised families, and become part of the raised families, and become part of the raised families, and become part of the community, and too many Christians only community, and too many Christians only community, and too many Christians only show up when there's a political show up when there's a political show up when there's a political controversy. controversy. controversy. We have literally outsourced our We have literally outsourced our We have literally outsourced our evangelism, which is our strongest evangelism, which is our strongest evangelism, which is our strongest assimilation system, to a single morning assimilation system, to a single morning assimilation system, to a single morning where we storm a meeting and get really where we storm a meeting and get really where we storm a meeting and get really loud for 5 hours. loud for 5 hours. loud for 5 hours. The question I have is where were the The question I have is where were the The question I have is where were the other 364 days? other 364 days? other 364 days? Talk is cheap. And so, I would just Talk is cheap. And so, I would just Talk is cheap. And so, I would just finish by saying, do not merely be finish by saying, do not merely be finish by saying, do not merely be hearers of the word and so deceive hearers of the word and so deceive hearers of the word and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. yourselves. Do what it says. yourselves. Do what it says. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> I'm going to go take Jen on a date. So, >> I'm going to go take Jen on a date. So, >> I'm going to go take Jen on a date. So, Jesus, please give us wisdom. I have now Jesus, please give us wisdom. I have now Jesus, please give us wisdom. I have now prayed. The episode is over. prayed. The episode is over. prayed. The episode is over. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Get out of here.