Ruslan KD: Why the Loudest Generation Is Also the Loneliest

Gen Z, oddly enough, is the least Gen Z, oddly enough, is the least sexually active generation. sexually active generation. sexually active generation. >> Isn't that interesting? >> Isn't that interesting? >> Isn't that interesting? >> They're the most open to Jesus. They're >> They're the most open to Jesus. They're >> They're the most open to Jesus. They're the most isolated and alone, but they're the most isolated and alone, but they're the most isolated and alone, but they're most interconnected. So, they're like a most interconnected. So, they're like a most interconnected. So, they're like a walking talking paradox in real time. walking talking paradox in real time. walking talking paradox in real time. [music] >> Hey, I'm going to be sitting down with >> Hey, I'm going to be sitting down with my friend Rouslon. Have you heard of my friend Rouslon. Have you heard of my friend Rouslon. Have you heard of him? He's a Christian YouTuber. He's an him? He's a Christian YouTuber. He's an him? He's a Christian YouTuber. He's an author. He's an apologist and he's also author. He's an apologist and he's also author. He's an apologist and he's also a rapper. But Rouslon has become a a rapper. But Rouslon has become a a rapper. But Rouslon has become a significant voice in our culture today, significant voice in our culture today, significant voice in our culture today, especially among younger people. So, especially among younger people. So, especially among younger people. So, Rouslon and I are going to be talking Rouslon and I are going to be talking Rouslon and I are going to be talking about a lot of things, including all of about a lot of things, including all of about a lot of things, including all of this controversy and debating online, as this controversy and debating online, as this controversy and debating online, as well as what he believes are signs of a well as what he believes are signs of a well as what he believes are signs of a spiritual awakening among younger spiritual awakening among younger spiritual awakening among younger people, especially Gen Z. And we're also people, especially Gen Z. And we're also people, especially Gen Z. And we're also going to be talking about his brand new going to be talking about his brand new going to be talking about his brand new book, Godly Ambition. I think you're book, Godly Ambition. I think you're book, Godly Ambition. I think you're going to love this interview. One last going to love this interview. One last going to love this interview. One last thing, you're going to discover what my thing, you're going to discover what my thing, you're going to discover what my rap name would be if I decided to be a rap name would be if I decided to be a rap name would be if I decided to be a rapper, which I don't see happening, but rapper, which I don't see happening, but rapper, which I don't see happening, but it's good to know I have a name in case it's good to know I have a name in case it's good to know I have a name in case I decide to do it. So, let's dive in for I decide to do it. So, let's dive in for I decide to do it. So, let's dive in for this interview with Rouslon.

this interview with Rouslon. this interview with Rouslon. >> Well, Rousan, great to be with you >> Well, Rousan, great to be with you >> Well, Rousan, great to be with you again. again. again. >> Great to be with you again. This is I >> Great to be with you again. This is I >> Great to be with you again. This is I think our third or fourth time. think our third or fourth time. think our third or fourth time. >> Probably is. Yeah. So, usually I come >> Probably is. Yeah. So, usually I come >> Probably is. Yeah. So, usually I come your way, so things are coming my way. your way, so things are coming my way. your way, so things are coming my way. You know, I I don't know that I've ever You know, I I don't know that I've ever You know, I I don't know that I've ever heard a complete version of how you came heard a complete version of how you came heard a complete version of how you came to faith in Christ. Te tell us how that to faith in Christ. Te tell us how that to faith in Christ. Te tell us how that came about. came about. came about. >> Oh, right. So, I'm ethnically Armenian. >> Oh, right. So, I'm ethnically Armenian. >> Oh, right. So, I'm ethnically Armenian. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Uh my mother is >> Uh my mother is >> Uh my mother is >> What if you were Armenian? You'd be an >> What if you were Armenian? You'd be an >> What if you were Armenian? You'd be an Armenian. Armenian. Armenian. Armenian. Armenian. Armenian. >> Armenian. Armenian. Sometimes I am >> Armenian. Armenian. Sometimes I am >> Armenian. Armenian. Sometimes I am depending on the the time [laughter] of depending on the the time [laughter] of depending on the the time [laughter] of day. day. day. >> It depends on the topic. >> It depends on the topic. >> It depends on the topic. >> It upsets my Calvinist friends all the >> It upsets my Calvinist friends all the >> It upsets my Calvinist friends all the time. And I uh originally from the time. And I uh originally from the time. And I uh originally from the Azarbajan which is just Azarbajan which is just Azarbajan which is just >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> east of Armen. >> east of Armen. >> east of Armen. >> You were born there. >> You were born there. >> You were born there. >> Was born there. My goodness. >> Was born there. My goodness. >> Was born there. My goodness. >> And I uh came to the United States >> And I uh came to the United States >> And I uh came to the United States because of the pilgrims of Baku in the because of the pilgrims of Baku in the because of the pilgrims of Baku in the 1980s. There was half a million 1980s. There was half a million 1980s. There was half a million Armenians that were ethnically cleansed Armenians that were ethnically cleansed Armenians that were ethnically cleansed >> from Baku. And we came to the United >> from Baku. And we came to the United >> from Baku. And we came to the United States and this is right before the fall States and this is right before the fall States and this is right before the fall of communism. So 1991 of communism. So 1991 of communism. So 1991 >> we come here. Um my mother and my father >> we come here. Um my mother and my father >> we come here. Um my mother and my father split up. Communism falls. Her family split up. Communism falls. Her family split up. Communism falls. Her family gets left behind. She goes into a dark gets left behind. She goes into a dark gets left behind. She goes into a dark spiral of alcoholism and depression and spiral of alcoholism and depression and spiral of alcoholism and depression and toxic men. I slide in to 90s gangster toxic men. I slide in to 90s gangster toxic men. I slide in to 90s gangster rap, which I'm not sure how familiar you rap, which I'm not sure how familiar you rap, which I'm not sure how familiar you are with Dr. Dre's The Chronic. Yes.

are with Dr. Dre's The Chronic. Yes. are with Dr. Dre's The Chronic. Yes. Snoop Doggy Dogs Doggy Style. This is Snoop Doggy Dogs Doggy Style. This is Snoop Doggy Dogs Doggy Style. This is what Disciples mean. what Disciples mean. what Disciples mean. >> So, no father in my life. Um, completely >> So, no father in my life. Um, completely >> So, no father in my life. Um, completely no identity, no understanding, and no identity, no understanding, and no identity, no understanding, and hadn't really heard about God or Jesus hadn't really heard about God or Jesus hadn't really heard about God or Jesus much. And it all kind of culminates to much. And it all kind of culminates to much. And it all kind of culminates to me getting arrested and getting in me getting arrested and getting in me getting arrested and getting in trouble and all this crazy stuff. trouble and all this crazy stuff. trouble and all this crazy stuff. >> What'd you get arrested for? >> What'd you get arrested for? >> What'd you get arrested for? >> I This was like an episode of uh World's >> I This was like an episode of uh World's >> I This was like an episode of uh World's Dumbest Criminals. I don't know if Dumbest Criminals. I don't know if Dumbest Criminals. I don't know if you've ever seen that show. Uh I we had you've ever seen that show. Uh I we had you've ever seen that show. Uh I we had a gang. a gang. a gang. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Air quotes. We had a gang and we had a >> Air quotes. We had a gang and we had a >> Air quotes. We had a gang and we had a gang leader who was a guy in his 20s gang leader who was a guy in his 20s gang leader who was a guy in his 20s that was here from Detroit and it was that was here from Detroit and it was that was here from Detroit and it was me, the other refugee family and one me, the other refugee family and one me, the other refugee family and one guy. We had a gang and he gets arrested. guy. We had a gang and he gets arrested. guy. We had a gang and he gets arrested. And so our bride idea was that in order And so our bride idea was that in order And so our bride idea was that in order to get him bail money, we were going to to get him bail money, we were going to to get him bail money, we were going to break in to his girlfriend's other break in to his girlfriend's other break in to his girlfriend's other boyfriend's house to get bail money. boyfriend's house to get bail money. boyfriend's house to get bail money. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> We didn't know that a cop lived next >> We didn't know that a cop lived next >> We didn't know that a cop lived next door. door. door. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> So we're breaking We're breaking into >> So we're breaking We're breaking into >> So we're breaking We're breaking into this house. I'm the smallest one. I'm this house. I'm the smallest one. I'm this house. I'm the smallest one. I'm crawling through this. crawling through this. crawling through this. >> I'm 10 or 11 years old. >> I'm 10 or 11 years old. >> I'm 10 or 11 years old. >> No, you are not.

>> No, you are not. >> No, you are not. >> You're 11 years old in a gang. >> You're 11 years old in a gang. >> You're 11 years old in a gang. >> Yeah. In a in a gang. Air quotes. In a >> Yeah. In a in a gang. Air quotes. In a >> Yeah. In a in a gang. Air quotes. In a gang. I'll tell you offline what the gang. I'll tell you offline what the gang. I'll tell you offline what the name of the gang was. You'll you'll get name of the gang was. You'll you'll get name of the gang was. You'll you'll get >> I want to hear. Uh, and so I'm I'm in >> I want to hear. Uh, and so I'm I'm in >> I want to hear. Uh, and so I'm I'm in I'm in the bathroom window and we have a I'm in the bathroom window and we have a I'm in the bathroom window and we have a lookout that wasn't a great lookout and lookout that wasn't a great lookout and lookout that wasn't a great lookout and the cop next door was off duty and he the cop next door was off duty and he the cop next door was off duty and he takes our lookout, puts him in an armbar takes our lookout, puts him in an armbar takes our lookout, puts him in an armbar and tells me to get out and get on the and tells me to get out and get on the and tells me to get out and get on the ground and the cops came and we got ground and the cops came and we got ground and the cops came and we got arrested and arrested and arrested and >> fully arrested you. >> fully arrested you. >> fully arrested you. >> Fully arrested you in cuffs in the back >> Fully arrested you in cuffs in the back >> Fully arrested you in cuffs in the back of a police car. My poor mom gets off of a police car. My poor mom gets off of a police car. My poor mom gets off work. She's working nights at this point work. She's working nights at this point work. She's working nights at this point at a casino. She has to come and get me at a casino. She has to come and get me at a casino. She has to come and get me out of this and they they took me in. out of this and they they took me in. out of this and they they took me in. They they separated us in in different They they separated us in in different They they separated us in in different rooms and I I knew right away I am not rooms and I I knew right away I am not rooms and I I knew right away I am not about that life. Like I'm a scrawny about that life. Like I'm a scrawny about that life. Like I'm a scrawny Russian Armenian kid. Uh this is not the Russian Armenian kid. Uh this is not the Russian Armenian kid. Uh this is not the life for me. Subsequently, I had to do life for me. Subsequently, I had to do life for me. Subsequently, I had to do probation and community service hours. probation and community service hours. probation and community service hours. >> What? You were 12 at this point maybe? >> What? You were 12 at this point maybe? >> What? You were 12 at this point maybe? >> Yeah. Seventh grade. And I wait till the >> Yeah. Seventh grade. And I wait till the >> Yeah. Seventh grade. And I wait till the very last minute to do my It wasn't even very last minute to do my It wasn't even very last minute to do my It wasn't even that many community service hours. I was that many community service hours. I was that many community service hours. I was like 30 hours of community service. And like 30 hours of community service. And like 30 hours of community service. And the only way I can get him done in time the only way I can get him done in time the only way I can get him done in time is if I did him with our neighbor is if I did him with our neighbor is if I did him with our neighbor Sheree, who also had a crazy encounter Sheree, who also had a crazy encounter Sheree, who also had a crazy encounter with Jesus in prison, came out, converts with Jesus in prison, came out, converts with Jesus in prison, came out, converts our entire apartment complex. Wow.

our entire apartment complex. Wow. our entire apartment complex. Wow. Except the two refugee families. And I Except the two refugee families. And I Except the two refugee families. And I have to go to her church to get the have to go to her church to get the have to go to her church to get the community service hours done. And these community service hours done. And these community service hours done. And these are the folks that share the gospel with are the folks that share the gospel with are the folks that share the gospel with me. It's like a black Baptist church me. It's like a black Baptist church me. It's like a black Baptist church community. They start telling me about community. They start telling me about community. They start telling me about Jesus. Wow. Yeah. They start not not Jesus. Wow. Yeah. They start not not Jesus. Wow. Yeah. They start not not just telling me about Jesus, but saying just telling me about Jesus, but saying just telling me about Jesus, but saying like, like, like, >> "You're going to do great things for the >> "You're going to do great things for the >> "You're going to do great things for the Lord someday. God's going to use you to Lord someday. God's going to use you to Lord someday. God's going to use you to reach millions. reach millions. reach millions. >> You know, I it reminds me of that >> You know, I it reminds me of that >> You know, I it reminds me of that passage that talks about a brand plucked passage that talks about a brand plucked passage that talks about a brand plucked out of the fire. And my, you know, you out of the fire. And my, you know, you out of the fire. And my, you know, you know my story, we've talked before, but know my story, we've talked before, but know my story, we've talked before, but you know, with my alcoholic mother and you know, with my alcoholic mother and you know, with my alcoholic mother and all that, all that, all that, >> you know, and it and it's funny, no one >> you know, and it and it's funny, no one >> you know, and it and it's funny, no one actually shared the gospel with me, but actually shared the gospel with me, but actually shared the gospel with me, but I over I came to a group of Christians I over I came to a group of Christians I over I came to a group of Christians talking about their faith. Heard Lonnie talking about their faith. Heard Lonnie talking about their faith. Heard Lonnie Frisbee, who we've talked about, and Frisbee, who we've talked about, and Frisbee, who we've talked about, and that was the day I accepted Christ. But that was the day I accepted Christ. But that was the day I accepted Christ. But it's just like the Lord looked at at two it's just like the Lord looked at at two it's just like the Lord looked at at two young kids in the worst kind of a young kids in the worst kind of a young kids in the worst kind of a setting setting setting >> and said, "I love you and I'm going to >> and said, "I love you and I'm going to >> and said, "I love you and I'm going to reach you." Cuz who would have ever reach you." Cuz who would have ever reach you." Cuz who would have ever thought that that little kid getting thought that that little kid getting thought that that little kid getting arrested arrested arrested >> at 11 or 12? Was that >> at 11 or 12? Was that >> at 11 or 12? Was that >> it was 10 or 11? >> it was 10 or 11? >> it was 10 or 11? >> I mean, you could have so easily >> I mean, you could have so easily >> I mean, you could have so easily followed a life of crime, ended up in a followed a life of crime, ended up in a followed a life of crime, ended up in a with a drug overdose, ended up dead, with a drug overdose, ended up dead, with a drug overdose, ended up dead, >> and this lady came into your life. And >> and this lady came into your life. And >> and this lady came into your life. And >> Sheree Jackson, I'm still friends with >> Sheree Jackson, I'm still friends with >> Sheree Jackson, I'm still friends with her, still friends with her son. Wow.

her, still friends with her son. Wow. her, still friends with her son. Wow. >> So they start sharing the gospel with >> So they start sharing the gospel with >> So they start sharing the gospel with me. And thankfully, and and it doesn't me. And thankfully, and and it doesn't me. And thankfully, and and it doesn't take I'm still a knucklehead. We're take I'm still a knucklehead. We're take I'm still a knucklehead. We're still breaking into houses. And then still breaking into houses. And then still breaking into houses. And then right as seventh grade finishes, uh it right as seventh grade finishes, uh it right as seventh grade finishes, uh it kind of all hits the fan. We break into kind of all hits the fan. We break into kind of all hits the fan. We break into this guy's house. They send someone to this guy's house. They send someone to this guy's house. They send someone to beat me up. Someone else is trying to beat me up. Someone else is trying to beat me up. Someone else is trying to stab me. stab me. stab me. >> Uh it was it was just How old are you at >> Uh it was it was just How old are you at >> Uh it was it was just How old are you at this point? this point? this point? >> So this is this is the this is seventh >> So this is this is the this is seventh >> So this is this is the this is seventh grade. grade. grade. >> And then right as all this is about to >> And then right as all this is about to >> And then right as all this is about to hit the fan, hit the fan, hit the fan, >> my mom relocates us to North County, San >> my mom relocates us to North County, San >> my mom relocates us to North County, San Diego to Vista, California, which that's Diego to Vista, California, which that's Diego to Vista, California, which that's where you came by. And I I I grew end up where you came by. And I I I grew end up where you came by. And I I I grew end up growing up in 8th grade about a mile growing up in 8th grade about a mile growing up in 8th grade about a mile from where I live now. from where I live now. from where I live now. >> Now, where were you in the early >> Now, where were you in the early >> Now, where were you in the early >> San Diego? Normal Heights, City Heights >> San Diego? Normal Heights, City Heights >> San Diego? Normal Heights, City Heights area. Very different San Diego in the area. Very different San Diego in the area. Very different San Diego in the '90s. So, this is like Yeah, this is a '90s. So, this is like Yeah, this is a '90s. So, this is like Yeah, this is a Anybody that's familiar with San Diego, Anybody that's familiar with San Diego, Anybody that's familiar with San Diego, City Heights, Normal Heights area. Um, City Heights, Normal Heights area. Um, City Heights, Normal Heights area. Um, and so we relocate and I end up um I and so we relocate and I end up um I and so we relocate and I end up um I knew that I wasn't about that life. I knew that I wasn't about that life. I knew that I wasn't about that life. I wasn't a criminal. I wasn't a sub guy. wasn't a criminal. I wasn't a sub guy. wasn't a criminal. I wasn't a sub guy. So, I go down the route of like I'm So, I go down the route of like I'm So, I go down the route of like I'm going to be a basketball player. This is going to be a basketball player. This is going to be a basketball player. This is Michael Jordan's last year with the with Michael Jordan's last year with the with Michael Jordan's last year with the with the Bulls. So, I want to be like Mike. the Bulls. So, I want to be like Mike. the Bulls. So, I want to be like Mike. No one tells me that I'm 5' n in No one tells me that I'm 5' n in No one tells me that I'm 5' n in Armenian. [laughter] Armenian. [laughter] Armenian. [laughter] Uh, so my identity is anchored in being Uh, so my identity is anchored in being Uh, so my identity is anchored in being this professional basketball player. I this professional basketball player. I this professional basketball player. I start doing music at the same time.

start doing music at the same time. start doing music at the same time. Basketball completely falls apart. I get Basketball completely falls apart. I get Basketball completely falls apart. I get cut. I started dating a Christian girl cut. I started dating a Christian girl cut. I started dating a Christian girl cuz I won this talent show. And the only cuz I won this talent show. And the only cuz I won this talent show. And the only way I could see her over the summer is way I could see her over the summer is way I could see her over the summer is if I went to church with her and her if I went to church with her and her if I went to church with her and her family. family. family. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Uh, it was a church planted by Horizon >> Uh, it was a church planted by Horizon >> Uh, it was a church planted by Horizon Church, which is an offshoot of Calvary. Church, which is an offshoot of Calvary. Church, which is an offshoot of Calvary. >> Yeah, that's right. Back in time. New >> Yeah, that's right. Back in time. New >> Yeah, that's right. Back in time. New new venture Christian fellowship with new venture Christian fellowship with new venture Christian fellowship with Pastor Shawn Mitchell. Pastor Shawn Mitchell. Pastor Shawn Mitchell. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> In San Diego. So, uh, Junior Se went >> In San Diego. So, uh, Junior Se went >> In San Diego. So, uh, Junior Se went there, a bunch of Chargers guys went there, a bunch of Chargers guys went there, a bunch of Chargers guys went there. So, I end up just coming and there. So, I end up just coming and there. So, I end up just coming and hearing the gospel, hearing the gospel, hearing the gospel, hearing the gospel, hearing the gospel, hearing the gospel, hearing the gospel. hearing the gospel. hearing the gospel. >> And, uh, I was one of those kids that >> And, uh, I was one of those kids that >> And, uh, I was one of those kids that put my hand up every week for years and put my hand up every week for years and put my hand up every week for years and years. Me and the Christian girl break years. Me and the Christian girl break years. Me and the Christian girl break up. I started dating a Jehovah's Witness up. I started dating a Jehovah's Witness up. I started dating a Jehovah's Witness girl. girl. girl. >> Oh my. >> Oh my. >> Oh my. >> So, now I'm all sorts of confused. >> So, now I'm all sorts of confused. >> So, now I'm all sorts of confused. >> It's like God keeps reaching you and you >> It's like God keeps reaching you and you >> It's like God keeps reaching you and you keep going up. keep going up. keep going up. >> Yeah. So, I'm now like, is Jesus God? Is >> Yeah. So, I'm now like, is Jesus God? Is >> Yeah. So, I'm now like, is Jesus God? Is Jesus a god? What about the Mormons? Jesus a god? What about the Mormons? Jesus a god? What about the Mormons? What about the Muslims? What about the What about the Muslims? What about the What about the Muslims? What about the new thought? Universe is God. You're one new thought? Universe is God. You're one new thought? Universe is God. You're one with the universe. What about the with the universe. What about the with the universe. What about the aliens? What about all this other stuff? aliens? What about all this other stuff? aliens? What about all this other stuff? So, I'm just confused as can be. And God So, I'm just confused as can be. And God So, I'm just confused as can be. And God continually pursuing me. I'm working at continually pursuing me. I'm working at continually pursuing me. I'm working at Pizza Hut. Still the best pizza for the Pizza Hut. Still the best pizza for the Pizza Hut. Still the best pizza for the record. I think absolutely.

record. I think absolutely. record. I think absolutely. >> Okay. I I have all I've lost all respect >> Okay. I I have all I've lost all respect >> Okay. I I have all I've lost all respect for you with food recommendations for you with food recommendations for you with food recommendations [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] because I'll meet someone, they'll say, because I'll meet someone, they'll say, because I'll meet someone, they'll say, "This is the best pizza, burger, "This is the best pizza, burger, "This is the best pizza, burger, whatever." And I'll say, "Okay, I'm just whatever." And I'll say, "Okay, I'm just whatever." And I'll say, "Okay, I'm just telling you right now based on this telling you right now based on this telling you right now based on this recommendation, I'm going to put you in recommendation, I'm going to put you in recommendation, I'm going to put you in one of two categories. [laughter] Either one of two categories. [laughter] Either one of two categories. [laughter] Either the guy called say, "Where's the good the guy called say, "Where's the good the guy called say, "Where's the good food here?" Or the guy I don't call. I food here?" Or the guy I don't call. I food here?" Or the guy I don't call. I think Pizza Hut's fine. But if that's think Pizza Hut's fine. But if that's think Pizza Hut's fine. But if that's the best pizza, the best pizza, the best pizza, >> that's the best pizza for me. >> that's the best pizza for me. >> that's the best pizza for me. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, we got I got to choose. >> So, we got I got to choose. >> So, we got I got to choose. >> Who am I to speak? I like Taco Bell >> Who am I to speak? I like Taco Bell >> Who am I to speak? I like Taco Bell still and I like to get the incho at still and I like to get the incho at still and I like to get the incho at Taco Bell and I can't get anyone to go Taco Bell and I can't get anyone to go Taco Bell and I can't get anyone to go with me. with me. with me. >> Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't go with you >> Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't go with you >> Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't go with you either. either. either. >> All right. So, I got you off the path >> All right. So, I got you off the path >> All right. So, I got you off the path here. here. here. >> So, so I'm working at Pizza Hut. I lie >> So, so I'm working at Pizza Hut. I lie >> So, so I'm working at Pizza Hut. I lie at 15 years old. I lie on the at 15 years old. I lie on the at 15 years old. I lie on the application. I say I'm 16. I get this application. I say I'm 16. I get this application. I say I'm 16. I get this job. I'm I'm uh in the back one day. My job. I'm I'm uh in the back one day. My job. I'm I'm uh in the back one day. My manager name's Barb, she's a Christian. manager name's Barb, she's a Christian. manager name's Barb, she's a Christian. And our lead delivery driver, he's a And our lead delivery driver, he's a And our lead delivery driver, he's a Christian. And I'm processing all this. Christian. And I'm processing all this. Christian. And I'm processing all this. Is Jesus God? Is Jesus a God? What about Is Jesus God? Is Jesus a God? What about Is Jesus God? Is Jesus a God? What about the Jehovah's Witness? the Jehovah's Witness? the Jehovah's Witness? >> How old are you at this point? >> How old are you at this point? >> How old are you at this point? >> So I'm sophomore year, so so 16. >> So I'm sophomore year, so so 16. >> So I'm sophomore year, so so 16. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm talking about the Mormons, the >> I'm talking about the Mormons, the >> I'm talking about the Mormons, the Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm basically an Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm basically an Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm basically an Aryan functionally, theologically. I Aryan functionally, theologically. I Aryan functionally, theologically. I like Jesus is the son of God, but he's like Jesus is the son of God, but he's like Jesus is the son of God, but he's not God. And they start telling me the not God. And they start telling me the not God. And they start telling me the gospel again and they hand me a book gospel again and they hand me a book gospel again and they hand me a book this thick and it's called The New this thick and it's called The New this thick and it's called The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Dr.

Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Dr. Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Dr. Josh McDow. Josh McDow. Josh McDow. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah. And I and I take that book home. I >> Yeah. And I and I take that book home. I >> Yeah. And I and I take that book home. I read it. I end up devouring it. I I read it. I end up devouring it. I I read it. I end up devouring it. I I called the Jehovah's Witness girl. I called the Jehovah's Witness girl. I called the Jehovah's Witness girl. I told her she's in a cult. told her she's in a cult. told her she's in a cult. >> Probably not the [laughter] >> Probably not the [laughter] >> Probably not the [laughter] probably not the wisest thing to do. Uh probably not the wisest thing to do. Uh probably not the wisest thing to do. Uh and I keep going to church. Keep going and I keep going to church. Keep going and I keep going to church. Keep going to church. And then I I I I do the one to church. And then I I I I do the one to church. And then I I I I do the one foot in, one foot out thing for a while. foot in, one foot out thing for a while. foot in, one foot out thing for a while. I I I go back to dating the Christian I I I go back to dating the Christian I I I go back to dating the Christian girl and we're fornicating and I'm in girl and we're fornicating and I'm in girl and we're fornicating and I'm in sin and I'm a mess. And then it all sin and I'm a mess. And then it all sin and I'm a mess. And then it all culminates to culminates to culminates to the year 2002, the year 2002, the year 2002, July 4th, I do my first public July 4th, I do my first public July 4th, I do my first public profession of faith when I came down to profession of faith when I came down to profession of faith when I came down to an altar call at a Miles ahead crusade. an altar call at a Miles ahead crusade. an altar call at a Miles ahead crusade. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. >> In San Diego, of course. Yeah. Miles >> In San Diego, of course. Yeah. Miles >> In San Diego, of course. Yeah. Miles McFerson. Yeah. Who I'm friends with McFerson. Yeah. Who I'm friends with McFerson. Yeah. Who I'm friends with right now, which is really trippy. right now, which is really trippy. right now, which is really trippy. >> He's a great guy. >> He's a great guy. >> He's a great guy. >> He's he's amazing guy. And that was my >> He's he's amazing guy. And that was my >> He's he's amazing guy. And that was my like profession of faith immediately like profession of faith immediately like profession of faith immediately after that. after that. after that. >> Why do you think it I mean I actually >> Why do you think it I mean I actually >> Why do you think it I mean I actually responded effectively the first time I responded effectively the first time I responded effectively the first time I heard the gospel. heard the gospel. heard the gospel. >> But you heard it heard it heard it. >> But you heard it heard it heard it. >> But you heard it heard it heard it. Raise your hand at church over and over. Raise your hand at church over and over. Raise your hand at church over and over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You read Josh McDall's book that really >> You read Josh McDall's book that really >> You read Josh McDall's book that really helped. But then it all came together helped. But then it all came together helped. But then it all came together with a event with Miles. What do you with a event with Miles. What do you with a event with Miles. What do you think made it finally take?

think made it finally take? think made it finally take? >> I'm naturally more skeptical. >> I'm naturally more skeptical. >> I'm naturally more skeptical. >> Yeah, it seems that way. and I'm I'm a >> Yeah, it seems that way. and I'm I'm a >> Yeah, it seems that way. and I'm I'm a thinker and I I and I want to turn every thinker and I I and I want to turn every thinker and I I and I want to turn every corner and ask every question and corner and ask every question and corner and ask every question and examine everything. So I'm naturally a examine everything. So I'm naturally a examine everything. So I'm naturally a bit more skeptical which sometimes is a bit more skeptical which sometimes is a bit more skeptical which sometimes is a good thing sometimes could be could lead good thing sometimes could be could lead good thing sometimes could be could lead to cynicism. to cynicism. to cynicism. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think I also started >> And I think I also started >> And I think I also started >> really before giving my life to the Lord >> really before giving my life to the Lord >> really before giving my life to the Lord I started forming Christian community. I started forming Christian community. I started forming Christian community. So I was around Christians more and so So I was around Christians more and so So I was around Christians more and so that became the um I think the segways that became the um I think the segways that became the um I think the segways like I needed fertile ground like I needed fertile ground like I needed fertile ground >> to plant myself there. Seems to me like >> to plant myself there. Seems to me like >> to plant myself there. Seems to me like not only was the Lord preparing you to not only was the Lord preparing you to not only was the Lord preparing you to bring you to himself, but he was bring you to himself, but he was bring you to himself, but he was preparing you for what he was calling preparing you for what he was calling preparing you for what he was calling you to do. Yeah. you to do. Yeah. you to do. Yeah. >> Because you come from this crazy >> Because you come from this crazy >> Because you come from this crazy environment and God gets hold of you, environment and God gets hold of you, environment and God gets hold of you, but you're skeptical. You're thinking a but you're skeptical. You're thinking a but you're skeptical. You're thinking a lot even as a young kid and now here you lot even as a young kid and now here you lot even as a young kid and now here you are still. How old are you today? are still. How old are you today? are still. How old are you today? >> So I'm 41. >> So I'm 41. >> So I'm 41. >> Okay. So you're 41 years old, but God's >> Okay. So you're 41 years old, but God's >> Okay. So you're 41 years old, but God's using you to be a voice to a younger using you to be a voice to a younger using you to be a voice to a younger generation. I think to an older generation. I think to an older generation. I think to an older generation, too. helping an older generation, too. helping an older generation, too. helping an older generation understand a younger generation understand a younger generation understand a younger generation, but at the same time having generation, but at the same time having generation, but at the same time having a real heart to reach culture and to a real heart to reach culture and to a real heart to reach culture and to tackle subjects maybe others would not tackle subjects maybe others would not tackle subjects maybe others would not want to tackle and you're not afraid to.

want to tackle and you're not afraid to. want to tackle and you're not afraid to. So, it seems like God was preparing you So, it seems like God was preparing you So, it seems like God was preparing you from the beginning from the beginning from the beginning >> for what you're doing right now. Yeah, I >> for what you're doing right now. Yeah, I >> for what you're doing right now. Yeah, I I I would think so cuz immediately after I I would think so cuz immediately after I I would think so cuz immediately after getting saved or or like really getting saved or or like really getting saved or or like really surrendering my life, I was already surrendering my life, I was already surrendering my life, I was already going to church but fully surrendering going to church but fully surrendering going to church but fully surrendering my life after that. I end up starting a my life after that. I end up starting a my life after that. I end up starting a Bible study. We start doing open mic Bible study. We start doing open mic Bible study. We start doing open mic night. So we do a open mic. We'd rap. We night. So we do a open mic. We'd rap. We night. So we do a open mic. We'd rap. We do poetry. do poetry. do poetry. >> Yeah. I lived out the part where you >> Yeah. I lived out the part where you >> Yeah. I lived out the part where you were like you had a rapping you had a were like you had a rapping you had a were like you had a rapping you had a career as a rapper. career as a rapper. career as a rapper. >> Yeah. I had a rapping career. >> Yeah. I had a rapping career. >> Yeah. I had a rapping career. >> And what was your name? >> And what was your name? >> And what was your name? >> This is my name. Rouslan. Yeah. >> This is my name. Rouslan. Yeah. >> This is my name. Rouslan. Yeah. >> There's KD though. >> There's KD though. >> There's KD though. >> KD we added after the fact for like >> KD we added after the fact for like >> KD we added after the fact for like YouTube. If I became a rapper, what YouTube. If I became a rapper, what YouTube. If I became a rapper, what would my name be? would my name be? would my name be? >> Greg Jeezy. >> Greg Jeezy. >> Greg Jeezy. >> Greg Jeezy. >> Greg Jeezy. >> Greg Jeezy. >> Greg Gy. >> Greg Gy. >> Greg Gy. >> I like that. I'm going to start using >> I like that. I'm going to start using >> I like that. I'm going to start using that. that. that. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a good one. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a good one. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a good one. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> thank you for that. Yeah. >> thank you for that. Yeah. >> thank you for that. Yeah. >> I've never been given a rap name. >> I've never been given a rap name. >> I've never been given a rap name. >> Yeah. Well, you're very creative. >> Yeah. Well, you're very creative. >> Yeah. Well, you're very creative. >> You're very creative. So, I start a >> You're very creative. So, I start a >> You're very creative. So, I start a Bible study right after. Open mic. I Bible study right after. Open mic. I Bible study right after. Open mic. I bring Pizza Hut pizza bring Pizza Hut pizza bring Pizza Hut pizza >> back to the pizza. >> back to the pizza. >> back to the pizza. >> Back to the pizza. So, we just would >> Back to the pizza. So, we just would >> Back to the pizza. So, we just would We'd have pizza left over on the oven We'd have pizza left over on the oven We'd have pizza left over on the oven everyone loves pizza. And I'd grab a box everyone loves pizza. And I'd grab a box everyone loves pizza. And I'd grab a box of those leftover pizzas that were mess of those leftover pizzas that were mess of those leftover pizzas that were mess ups, ups, ups, >> throw a Bible study/open mic, and then >> throw a Bible study/open mic, and then >> throw a Bible study/open mic, and then we ended up having, you know, 80, 90, we ended up having, you know, 80, 90, we ended up having, you know, 80, 90, 100 kids every Thursday that would show 100 kids every Thursday that would show 100 kids every Thursday that would show up up up >> and we would >> and we would >> and we would >> Did you ever feel a call in becoming a >> Did you ever feel a call in becoming a >> Did you ever feel a call in becoming a pastor yourself?

pastor yourself? pastor yourself? >> So I I no, because I understood the role >> So I I no, because I understood the role >> So I I no, because I understood the role of a local shepherd and the weight that of a local shepherd and the weight that of a local shepherd and the weight that carried and I knew my matter carried and I knew my matter carried and I knew my matter refractness, the way I I talk. I I I'm refractness, the way I I talk. I I I'm refractness, the way I I talk. I I I'm not the most gentle with the shephering not the most gentle with the shephering not the most gentle with the shephering aspect. So people would come to me and aspect. So people would come to me and aspect. So people would come to me and be like, "Man, I'm be like, "Man, I'm be like, "Man, I'm >> sleeping with my girlfriend." And I just >> sleeping with my girlfriend." And I just >> sleeping with my girlfriend." And I just be like, "Stop. be like, "Stop. be like, "Stop. >> Stop. Don't do that no more." >> Stop. Don't do that no more." >> Stop. Don't do that no more." >> I don't know that that's not being a >> I don't know that that's not being a >> I don't know that that's not being a good shepherd. good shepherd. good shepherd. >> Well, they would they would need to be >> Well, they would they would need to be >> Well, they would they would need to be coddled. They would need to be coddled. They would need to be coddled. They would need to be encouraged and they need to be encouraged and they need to be encouraged and they need to be pathologized. And I was just like, "Just pathologized. And I was just like, "Just pathologized. And I was just like, "Just cut it out." So I I was so but I was cut it out." So I I was so but I was cut it out." So I I was so but I was doing functional ministry in a local doing functional ministry in a local doing functional ministry in a local context. And that Bible study evolved context. And that Bible study evolved context. And that Bible study evolved and it became an open mic ministry. get and it became an open mic ministry. get and it became an open mic ministry. get a couple hundred people and then we a couple hundred people and then we a couple hundred people and then we started doing concert. No, I um I I started doing concert. No, I um I I started doing concert. No, I um I I stopped that around about about 10 years stopped that around about about 10 years stopped that around about about 10 years ago that evolved into a men's group. So, ago that evolved into a men's group. So, ago that evolved into a men's group. So, we do this men's group. Um and the men we do this men's group. Um and the men we do this men's group. Um and the men we would get men in the church and they we would get men in the church and they we would get men in the church and they it would be they would want to be it would be they would want to be it would be they would want to be committed. And so, we'd say, "Hey, if committed. And so, we'd say, "Hey, if committed. And so, we'd say, "Hey, if you're going to commit to this, you got you're going to commit to this, you got you're going to commit to this, you got to come for 16 weeks. We do the Bible in to come for 16 weeks. We do the Bible in to come for 16 weeks. We do the Bible in a year." Um and they would come in with a year." Um and they would come in with a year." Um and they would come in with all their fears and all their stress and all their fears and all their stress and all their fears and all their stress and I heard this and I read this and Alex I heard this and I read this and Alex I heard this and I read this and Alex Jones and this thing. And so we would Jones and this thing. And so we would Jones and this thing. And so we would have to kind of detangle whatever have to kind of detangle whatever have to kind of detangle whatever anxieties they had to then segue into anxieties they had to then segue into anxieties they had to then segue into the scriptures. And that's functionally the scriptures. And that's functionally the scriptures. And that's functionally what I do on YouTube now is I'm trying what I do on YouTube now is I'm trying what I do on YouTube now is I'm trying to to to >> take the things that people are nervous >> take the things that people are nervous >> take the things that people are nervous about and anxious about within culture, about and anxious about within culture, about and anxious about within culture, trending events, news, and trying to trending events, news, and trying to trending events, news, and trying to segue them back into what the scriptures segue them back into what the scriptures segue them back into what the scriptures teach.

teach. teach. >> And you've just written a book. >> And you've just written a book. >> And you've just written a book. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Is this your first book? >> Is this your first book? >> Is this your first book? >> First book. Yeah. >> First book. Yeah. >> First book. Yeah. >> It's called Godly Ambition. I think >> It's called Godly Ambition. I think >> It's called Godly Ambition. I think people often think, oh no, don't be people often think, oh no, don't be people often think, oh no, don't be ambitious. Be humble. ambitious. Be humble. ambitious. Be humble. >> So tell me what godly ambition is. >> So tell me what godly ambition is. >> So tell me what godly ambition is. >> So the word ambition Yeah. is one of >> So the word ambition Yeah. is one of >> So the word ambition Yeah. is one of those interesting words where the I did those interesting words where the I did those interesting words where the I did a New Testament dive on that word and a New Testament dive on that word and a New Testament dive on that word and there's a forbidding of selfish ambition there's a forbidding of selfish ambition there's a forbidding of selfish ambition and I discovered that word where selfish and I discovered that word where selfish and I discovered that word where selfish ambition the Greek is edithea it is a ambition the Greek is edithea it is a ambition the Greek is edithea it is a >> clobbering it is a getting your way by >> clobbering it is a getting your way by >> clobbering it is a getting your way by any means necessary but then I any means necessary but then I any means necessary but then I discovered that there's a a positive discovered that there's a a positive discovered that there's a a positive sense of the word ambition that's used sense of the word ambition that's used sense of the word ambition that's used three times not two times three times not two times three times not two times >> interesting >> interesting >> interesting >> and Paul is writing this church in >> and Paul is writing this church in >> and Paul is writing this church in Thessalonica Thessalonica Thessalonica >> they're they're doing well >> they're they're doing well >> they're they're doing well >> but there's persecution and they're >> but there's persecution and they're >> but there's persecution and they're worried and they're anxious and they're worried and they're anxious and they're worried and they're anxious and they're stressed out and they're asking them all stressed out and they're asking them all stressed out and they're asking them all the esquetology questions, all the end the esquetology questions, all the end the esquetology questions, all the end times questions times questions times questions >> and they're ready for Jesus to come >> and they're ready for Jesus to come >> and they're ready for Jesus to come back, back, back, >> but they're so ready for Jesus to come >> but they're so ready for Jesus to come >> but they're so ready for Jesus to come back, they're kind of letting their life back, they're kind of letting their life back, they're kind of letting their life go. They're they're kind of punting it. go. They're they're kind of punting it. go. They're they're kind of punting it. >> And Paul has to write to them twice and >> And Paul has to write to them twice and >> And Paul has to write to them twice and and stir some godly ambition in them uh and stir some godly ambition in them uh and stir some godly ambition in them uh because they're so consumed with the because they're so consumed with the because they're so consumed with the persecution and all the craziness. So persecution and all the craziness. So persecution and all the craziness. So Paul in in 1 Thessalonians 4 uh 10:11, Paul in in 1 Thessalonians 4 uh 10:11, Paul in in 1 Thessalonians 4 uh 10:11, he tells them, "And make it your he tells them, "And make it your he tells them, "And make it your ambition." He talks about you guys are ambition." He talks about you guys are ambition." He talks about you guys are doing good for the church in Macedonia.

doing good for the church in Macedonia. doing good for the church in Macedonia. I need you to do more. It sounded like I need you to do more. It sounded like I need you to do more. It sounded like the church in Thessalonica was the church in Thessalonica was the church in Thessalonica was prosperous. Like they had the ability to prosperous. Like they had the ability to prosperous. Like they had the ability to do well and the church in Macedonia u do well and the church in Macedonia u do well and the church in Macedonia u was going through famine. So Paul is was going through famine. So Paul is was going through famine. So Paul is like, "You guys can step up and be a like, "You guys can step up and be a like, "You guys can step up and be a blessing to these other churches in your blessing to these other churches in your blessing to these other churches in your region. I need you to do more and more. region. I need you to do more and more. region. I need you to do more and more. I know you love Macedonia. I need you to I know you love Macedonia. I need you to I know you love Macedonia. I need you to do more. Make it your ambition to lead a do more. Make it your ambition to lead a do more. Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life." Wow. And and people say quiet life." Wow. And and people say quiet life." Wow. And and people say quiet life and they think I'm not quiet life and they think I'm not quiet life and they think I'm not supposed to say anything. I'm supposed supposed to say anything. I'm supposed supposed to say anything. I'm supposed to be quiet. No, no. Paul wasn't quiet. to be quiet. No, no. Paul wasn't quiet. to be quiet. No, no. Paul wasn't quiet. Paul was very bold, very loud. He was Paul was very bold, very loud. He was Paul was very bold, very loud. He was telling them, don't be hysterical about telling them, don't be hysterical about telling them, don't be hysterical about all the craziness. Don't don't don't be all the craziness. Don't don't don't be all the craziness. Don't don't don't be one of these busy bodies. That's what he one of these busy bodies. That's what he one of these busy bodies. That's what he calls him in second Thessalonians, calls him in second Thessalonians, calls him in second Thessalonians, right? So, he says, make it your right? So, he says, make it your right? So, he says, make it your ambition to live a quiet life. Work with ambition to live a quiet life. Work with ambition to live a quiet life. Work with your own hands so that you may not be your own hands so that you may not be your own hands so that you may not be dependent on anybody dependent on anybody dependent on anybody >> um so that your daily life may win the >> um so that your daily life may win the >> um so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders. And the more and respect of outsiders. And the more and respect of outsiders. And the more and more I thought about that, I said, "Man, more I thought about that, I said, "Man, more I thought about that, I said, "Man, is is that not a word for this this is is that not a word for this this is is that not a word for this this generation?" You have a lot of people generation?" You have a lot of people generation?" You have a lot of people that are hysterical. They're confused. that are hysterical. They're confused. that are hysterical. They're confused. They're scared. They're nervous. What They're scared. They're nervous. What They're scared. They're nervous. What about this? What about the uncertainty about this? What about the uncertainty about this? What about the uncertainty of economy? What about housing prices? of economy? What about housing prices? of economy? What about housing prices? All the boomers bought up all the houses All the boomers bought up all the houses All the boomers bought up all the houses and got their 2% interest rates and they and got their 2% interest rates and they and got their 2% interest rates and they don't want to sell. I'll never be able don't want to sell. I'll never be able don't want to sell. I'll never be able to buy a house. I And then Jesus is to buy a house. I And then Jesus is to buy a house. I And then Jesus is coming. Everything's going to hell in a coming. Everything's going to hell in a coming. Everything's going to hell in a hand basket. What about Islam? And what hand basket. What about Islam? And what hand basket. What about Islam? And what about this? What? These are legitimate about this? What? These are legitimate about this? What? These are legitimate concerns. But we're called to make it concerns. But we're called to make it concerns. But we're called to make it our ambition to lead a quiet life our ambition to lead a quiet life our ambition to lead a quiet life working with our own hands, minding our working with our own hands, minding our working with our own hands, minding our own business so that our daily life may own business so that our daily life may own business so that our daily life may win the respect of outsiders. That's win the respect of outsiders. That's win the respect of outsiders. That's kind of what anchored that verse. Paul kind of what anchored that verse. Paul kind of what anchored that verse. Paul uses that same word filio Timome. He uses that same word filio Timome. He uses that same word filio Timome. He uses it two other words. He says, I make uses it two other words. He says, I make uses it two other words. He says, I make it my ambition to preach the gospel it my ambition to preach the gospel it my ambition to preach the gospel where others haven't.

where others haven't. where others haven't. >> And then he says, I make it my ambition >> And then he says, I make it my ambition >> And then he says, I make it my ambition to do what pleases God. to do what pleases God. to do what pleases God. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And so that's the three times that word >> And so that's the three times that word >> And so that's the three times that word is used. Funny enough, the Thessalonians is used. Funny enough, the Thessalonians is used. Funny enough, the Thessalonians didn't get it. He had to write them didn't get it. He had to write them didn't get it. He had to write them again in 2 Thessalonians and say, I'm again in 2 Thessalonians and say, I'm again in 2 Thessalonians and say, I'm I'm hearing you guys are idol. Don't be I'm hearing you guys are idol. Don't be I'm hearing you guys are idol. Don't be don't sit with a believer and have food don't sit with a believer and have food don't sit with a believer and have food with a believer. That's idle. He's with a believer. That's idle. He's with a believer. That's idle. He's disruptive. You know, he's a busy body. disruptive. You know, he's a busy body. disruptive. You know, he's a busy body. And then he goes on to drop the bomb. A And then he goes on to drop the bomb. A And then he goes on to drop the bomb. A man who ought not work ought not eat, man who ought not work ought not eat, man who ought not work ought not eat, >> right? Which we have 7 million men right >> right? Which we have 7 million men right >> right? Which we have 7 million men right now that have completely checked out of now that have completely checked out of now that have completely checked out of the labor force. Able-bodied men that the labor force. Able-bodied men that the labor force. Able-bodied men that can work can work can work >> checked out of the labor force. Who's >> checked out of the labor force. Who's >> checked out of the labor force. Who's taking care of these guys? Whose couches taking care of these guys? Whose couches taking care of these guys? Whose couches are they sleeping on? Right? And so it I are they sleeping on? Right? And so it I are they sleeping on? Right? And so it I it really was stirring that and and it really was stirring that and and it really was stirring that and and saying, man, I I I have some insight. saying, man, I I I have some insight. saying, man, I I I have some insight. I've solved some problems in my own life I've solved some problems in my own life I've solved some problems in my own life with with regards to this and coming with with regards to this and coming with with regards to this and coming from a single parent home. How can I from a single parent home. How can I from a single parent home. How can I kind of give men some frameworks that kind of give men some frameworks that kind of give men some frameworks that ultimately anchors them in the gospel? ultimately anchors them in the gospel? ultimately anchors them in the gospel? That's the biggest compliment I get when That's the biggest compliment I get when That's the biggest compliment I get when people read the be the book is like this people read the be the book is like this people read the be the book is like this is so enriched with scripture, you know, is so enriched with scripture, you know, is so enriched with scripture, you know, but it's very practical and it's giving but it's very practical and it's giving but it's very practical and it's giving people a framework to figure out your people a framework to figure out your people a framework to figure out your purpose, your calling. Uh I loved when I purpose, your calling. Uh I loved when I purpose, your calling. Uh I loved when I was at Harvest, you guys have the know was at Harvest, you guys have the know was at Harvest, you guys have the know God and make him known everywhere, God and make him known everywhere, God and make him known everywhere, right? And I say every Christian's right? And I say every Christian's right? And I say every Christian's purpose is the same to know God and make purpose is the same to know God and make purpose is the same to know God and make him known. Now, your assignment and your him known. Now, your assignment and your him known. Now, your assignment and your season is going to be different. And season is going to be different. And season is going to be different. And then your calling is discovered through then your calling is discovered through then your calling is discovered through being faithful to the current thing being faithful to the current thing being faithful to the current thing that's in front of you, through that's in front of you, through that's in front of you, through stewarding that wealth.

stewarding that wealth. stewarding that wealth. >> Yeah. We're living in a time where where >> Yeah. We're living in a time where where >> Yeah. We're living in a time where where masculinity masculinity masculinity is is either an exa I don't want to say is is either an exa I don't want to say is is either an exa I don't want to say exaggerated, but distorted to such a exaggerated, but distorted to such a exaggerated, but distorted to such a degree that it's not real masculinity or degree that it's not real masculinity or degree that it's not real masculinity or or it's feminized to such a degree that or it's feminized to such a degree that or it's feminized to such a degree that you're not being a man. I remember that you're not being a man. I remember that you're not being a man. I remember that scene in the Godfather where Veto scene in the Godfather where Veto scene in the Godfather where Veto Corleó, you know, says to the guy, the Corleó, you know, says to the guy, the Corleó, you know, says to the guy, the singer, you know, who couldn't get the singer, you know, who couldn't get the singer, you know, who couldn't get the part in the movie, he starts to cry, be part in the movie, he starts to cry, be part in the movie, he starts to cry, be a man. You [clears throat] know, we need a man. You [clears throat] know, we need a man. You [clears throat] know, we need to be a man. Be we need to be a man of to be a man. Be we need to be a man of to be a man. Be we need to be a man of God. What is a man of God? What does it God. What is a man of God? What does it God. What is a man of God? What does it mean? Like if someone is listening to mean? Like if someone is listening to mean? Like if someone is listening to this, they're young, maybe they didn't this, they're young, maybe they didn't this, they're young, maybe they didn't have a male role model growing up or a have a male role model growing up or a have a male role model growing up or a good one at least. What would you say to good one at least. What would you say to good one at least. What would you say to them about being a godly man today? them about being a godly man today? them about being a godly man today? Yeah, I would say there's three pillars Yeah, I would say there's three pillars Yeah, I would say there's three pillars that I point men to. The first one is that I point men to. The first one is that I point men to. The first one is participate in the priesthood of all participate in the priesthood of all participate in the priesthood of all believers. believers. believers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, we're called to be priests in terms >> So, we're called to be priests in terms >> So, we're called to be priests in terms of the priesthood of all believers. And of the priesthood of all believers. And of the priesthood of all believers. And I believe as men, we're called to be I believe as men, we're called to be I believe as men, we're called to be priests and pastors of our home. priests and pastors of our home. priests and pastors of our home. >> And so, if I'm if I'm the priest of my >> And so, if I'm if I'm the priest of my >> And so, if I'm if I'm the priest of my home, that means I need to work out my home, that means I need to work out my home, that means I need to work out my own junk. I need to to wage war on my own junk. I need to to wage war on my own junk. I need to to wage war on my sin. I need to stop treating my sin like sin. I need to stop treating my sin like sin. I need to stop treating my sin like it's a little cute pet that I could just it's a little cute pet that I could just it's a little cute pet that I could just kind of have in the background. that kind of have in the background. that kind of have in the background. that little that little kitten is going to little that little kitten is going to little that little kitten is going to grow up and be a a tiger and eat you if grow up and be a a tiger and eat you if grow up and be a a tiger and eat you if you're not careful with it. And so you you're not careful with it. And so you you're not careful with it. And so you got to you got to be the priest. You got got to you got to be the priest. You got got to you got to be the priest. You got to work out your own salvation and to work out your own salvation and to work out your own salvation and actually become someone that is actually become someone that is actually become someone that is sanctified and can lead your household.

sanctified and can lead your household. sanctified and can lead your household. And you can't lead your household until And you can't lead your household until And you can't lead your household until you can lead yourself. And so I say you can lead yourself. And so I say you can lead yourself. And so I say foundationally that relationship with foundationally that relationship with foundationally that relationship with Jesus has to be there. Jesus has to be there. Jesus has to be there. >> In so many homes, men are not I'm sorry, >> In so many homes, men are not I'm sorry, >> In so many homes, men are not I'm sorry, I want to get to your next point, but in I want to get to your next point, but in I want to get to your next point, but in so many homes, men are not being strong so many homes, men are not being strong so many homes, men are not being strong spiritual leaders at all. At best spiritual leaders at all. At best spiritual leaders at all. At best they're passive and at worst they're they're passive and at worst they're they're passive and at worst they're working against it. And the wife is the working against it. And the wife is the working against it. And the wife is the spiritual leader. And thank God for the spiritual leader. And thank God for the spiritual leader. And thank God for the women stepping up to the plate and women stepping up to the plate and women stepping up to the plate and wanting to do the right thing. But the wanting to do the right thing. But the wanting to do the right thing. But the wives need to support their husbands in wives need to support their husbands in wives need to support their husbands in this as well, not undermine them. this as well, not undermine them. this as well, not undermine them. >> Yes. Yes. And I think what you don't >> Yes. Yes. And I think what you don't >> Yes. Yes. And I think what you don't want to do is also just outsource the want to do is also just outsource the want to do is also just outsource the spiritual development of your wife and spiritual development of your wife and spiritual development of your wife and your children to the church. your children to the church. your children to the church. >> The church is amazing, but the church is >> The church is amazing, but the church is >> The church is amazing, but the church is not there to not there to not there to >> reinforce to help. But yes, >> reinforce to help. But yes, >> reinforce to help. But yes, >> okay. uncertain. >> okay. uncertain. >> okay. uncertain. >> Yeah. So the priest too. So I say you >> Yeah. So the priest too. So I say you >> Yeah. So the priest too. So I say you got to be a priest and and man that may got to be a priest and and man that may got to be a priest and and man that may mean going to therapy for some guys. mean going to therapy for some guys. mean going to therapy for some guys. That may mean getting you know That may mean getting you know That may mean getting you know confessing some sin for some guys. So so confessing some sin for some guys. So so confessing some sin for some guys. So so become the priest. Uh then I would say become the priest. Uh then I would say become the priest. Uh then I would say become a provider. become a provider. become a provider. >> Um the the scriptures in first uh >> Um the the scriptures in first uh >> Um the the scriptures in first uh Timothy 1 Timothy 5 says a man who does Timothy 1 Timothy 5 says a man who does Timothy 1 Timothy 5 says a man who does not provide for the needs of his family not provide for the needs of his family not provide for the needs of his family particular his immediate family is worse particular his immediate family is worse particular his immediate family is worse than a non-believer and is denied the than a non-believer and is denied the than a non-believer and is denied the faith. Interesting part about that faith. Interesting part about that faith. Interesting part about that chapter is that's actually in the chapter is that's actually in the chapter is that's actually in the context of caring for widows in the context of caring for widows in the context of caring for widows in the church. And so Paul is basically saying, church. And so Paul is basically saying, church. And so Paul is basically saying, "Hey, like the church is not a welfare "Hey, like the church is not a welfare "Hey, like the church is not a welfare office where we're just going to do office where we're just going to do office where we're just going to do whatever we can for everybody." He's whatever we can for everybody." He's whatever we can for everybody." He's saying, "No, no, no. You have a saying, "No, no, no. You have a saying, "No, no, no. You have a hierarchy of first caring for your own hierarchy of first caring for your own hierarchy of first caring for your own family, particularly your extended family, particularly your extended family, particularly your extended family, then your immediate family, and family, then your immediate family, and family, then your immediate family, and then the church has to care for widows then the church has to care for widows then the church has to care for widows who can't care for themselves." And that

who can't care for themselves." And that who can't care for themselves." And that that the whole chapter is brilliant. So that the whole chapter is brilliant. So that the whole chapter is brilliant. So I would say being a provider, can you I would say being a provider, can you I would say being a provider, can you provide for a woman? uh can you provide provide for a woman? uh can you provide provide for a woman? uh can you provide for your kids? And I know that's for your kids? And I know that's for your kids? And I know that's difficult. We're in Southern California, difficult. We're in Southern California, difficult. We're in Southern California, so that could be difficult. I hear every so that could be difficult. I hear every so that could be difficult. I hear every excuse. Oh, the cost of living, the excuse. Oh, the cost of living, the excuse. Oh, the cost of living, the inflation, so on and so forth. Here's inflation, so on and so forth. Here's inflation, so on and so forth. Here's what the data shows. Forbes did a Forbes what the data shows. Forbes did a Forbes what the data shows. Forbes did a Forbes woman did an article uh several years woman did an article uh several years woman did an article uh several years ago, and they found out that 85% of ago, and they found out that 85% of ago, and they found out that 85% of working women, not Christian women, not working women, not Christian women, not working women, not Christian women, not conservative women, working women are conservative women, working women are conservative women, working women are aspiring and preferring for a season aspiring and preferring for a season aspiring and preferring for a season when they have little kids to stay home when they have little kids to stay home when they have little kids to stay home and be moms. and be moms. and be moms. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> 85% of working women. Another study >> 85% of working women. Another study >> 85% of working women. Another study during COVID, they they found out that u during COVID, they they found out that u during COVID, they they found out that u 70% of working women with kids 18 and 70% of working women with kids 18 and 70% of working women with kids 18 and younger would have preferred to stay younger would have preferred to stay younger would have preferred to stay home and raise their kids had they been home and raise their kids had they been home and raise their kids had they been given the opportunity to. So, I'm not given the opportunity to. So, I'm not given the opportunity to. So, I'm not saying every woman can't work outside saying every woman can't work outside saying every woman can't work outside the home or can't. Women have different the home or can't. Women have different the home or can't. Women have different giftings and entrepreneur gifts and all giftings and entrepreneur gifts and all giftings and entrepreneur gifts and all that, but generally speaking, that, but generally speaking, that, but generally speaking, >> most women prefer a season to stay home >> most women prefer a season to stay home >> most women prefer a season to stay home and be with the little ones. And I think and be with the little ones. And I think and be with the little ones. And I think men need to be thinking about that. Like men need to be thinking about that. Like men need to be thinking about that. Like generally speaking, your wife is when generally speaking, your wife is when generally speaking, your wife is when you and and there's and man pushing my you and and there's and man pushing my you and and there's and man pushing my my wife has a baby 9 months old. Luke is my wife has a baby 9 months old. Luke is my wife has a baby 9 months old. Luke is amazing, but there's nothing like amazing, but there's nothing like amazing, but there's nothing like watching a mom bond with a baby. And to watching a mom bond with a baby. And to watching a mom bond with a baby. And to think about scurrying her back on to think about scurrying her back on to think about scurrying her back on to work because your work because your work because your >> 14 weeks of maternity leave is done.

>> 14 weeks of maternity leave is done. >> 14 weeks of maternity leave is done. Like that would be so heartbreaking. And Like that would be so heartbreaking. And Like that would be so heartbreaking. And and a lot of women have to do this all and a lot of women have to do this all and a lot of women have to do this all the time because men aren't thinking the time because men aren't thinking the time because men aren't thinking about, hey, I got to build my life in a about, hey, I got to build my life in a about, hey, I got to build my life in a way where I can be a provider for my way where I can be a provider for my way where I can be a provider for my family. So, that' be the second one. And family. So, that' be the second one. And family. So, that' be the second one. And >> you know, for us, we did the Dave Ramsey >> you know, for us, we did the Dave Ramsey >> you know, for us, we did the Dave Ramsey plan. We were technically $100,000 in plan. We were technically $100,000 in plan. We were technically $100,000 in debt before YouTube, before music. Um, debt before YouTube, before music. Um, debt before YouTube, before music. Um, we paid it off in 18 months, cleaned up we paid it off in 18 months, cleaned up we paid it off in 18 months, cleaned up our finances, and that set us up for our finances, and that set us up for our finances, and that set us up for having the the ability to let my wife having the the ability to let my wife having the the ability to let my wife stay home when we had Levi 11 years ago. stay home when we had Levi 11 years ago. stay home when we had Levi 11 years ago. Um, so I say, yeah, provider. Um, so I say, yeah, provider. Um, so I say, yeah, provider. >> And I've been to your home, and I I >> And I've been to your home, and I I >> And I've been to your home, and I I believe your wife homeschools your kids, believe your wife homeschools your kids, believe your wife homeschools your kids, right? It's great. So that's fantastic. right? It's great. So that's fantastic. right? It's great. So that's fantastic. So number three, So number three, So number three, >> number three, protector. >> number three, protector. >> number three, protector. >> I was going to say, >> I was going to say, >> I was going to say, >> yeah, you got to be both spiritually >> yeah, you got to be both spiritually >> yeah, you got to be both spiritually protective. So I'm responsible on what protective. So I'm responsible on what protective. So I'm responsible on what my kids look at the iPad. I'm my kids look at the iPad. I'm my kids look at the iPad. I'm responsible of the the device access responsible of the the device access responsible of the the device access they have. It's ultimately on me. I'm they have. It's ultimately on me. I'm they have. It's ultimately on me. I'm the protector. I'm I'm protecting them the protector. I'm I'm protecting them the protector. I'm I'm protecting them and and and that's and and and that's and and and that's >> in a spiritual sense. That's also in a >> in a spiritual sense. That's also in a >> in a spiritual sense. That's also in a physical sense. Are you competent and physical sense. Are you competent and physical sense. Are you competent and physically capable of protecting your physically capable of protecting your physically capable of protecting your family if something were to were to go family if something were to were to go family if something were to were to go down? You know, I think a lot of guys down? You know, I think a lot of guys down? You know, I think a lot of guys unfortunately uh you know, 70% of unfortunately uh you know, 70% of unfortunately uh you know, 70% of Americans are overweight. 40% are Americans are overweight. 40% are Americans are overweight. 40% are morbidly obese.

morbidly obese. morbidly obese. >> Well, you looked at my stomach when you >> Well, you looked at my stomach when you >> Well, you looked at my stomach when you said that. said that. said that. >> You look great. >> You look great. >> You look great. >> No, but you said are overweight and you >> No, but you said are overweight and you >> No, but you said are overweight and you just just just >> I did not do that. I did not do that. I >> I did not do that. I did not do that. I >> I did not do that. I did not do that. I told you I gave you a compliment told you I gave you a compliment told you I gave you a compliment earlier. I said you look great. I said earlier. I said you look great. I said earlier. I said you look great. I said you've been working out. It looks like you've been working out. It looks like you've been working out. It looks like you've been working out. You've been you've been working out. You've been you've been working out. You've been playing a lot of pickle ball, huh? Well, playing a lot of pickle ball, huh? Well, playing a lot of pickle ball, huh? Well, I play raetball once a week. I play I play raetball once a week. I play I play raetball once a week. I play pickle ball twice a week. It doesn't pickle ball twice a week. It doesn't pickle ball twice a week. It doesn't serve sound very masculine to play serve sound very masculine to play serve sound very masculine to play pickle ball, but it's actually fun. And pickle ball, but it's actually fun. And pickle ball, but it's actually fun. And then I also go to the gym, just lift then I also go to the gym, just lift then I also go to the gym, just lift weights and stuff. weights and stuff. weights and stuff. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> You know, but when you're like I'm 73 >> You know, but when you're like I'm 73 >> You know, but when you're like I'm 73 now, you know, it's different when you now, you know, it's different when you now, you know, it's different when you get older. At this point, you just want get older. At this point, you just want get older. At this point, you just want to be kind of mobile. I want to get up to be kind of mobile. I want to get up to be kind of mobile. I want to get up out of this chair without assistance. I out of this chair without assistance. I out of this chair without assistance. I want to move, you know, just do be able want to move, you know, just do be able want to move, you know, just do be able to function. Yes. And uh anyway, but to function. Yes. And uh anyway, but to function. Yes. And uh anyway, but thank you. And all the data shows that thank you. And all the data shows that thank you. And all the data shows that like the the the more you spend time like the the the more you spend time like the the the more you spend time strength training and being active, the strength training and being active, the strength training and being active, the the easier your years are going to be. the easier your years are going to be. the easier your years are going to be. And so I often tell men um you know, if And so I often tell men um you know, if And so I often tell men um you know, if you do what is easy, your life will be you do what is easy, your life will be you do what is easy, your life will be hard. And if you do what is hard later hard. And if you do what is hard later hard. And if you do what is hard later on, your life will be easy. on, your life will be easy. on, your life will be easy. >> And so I'm encouraging them, hey, do the >> And so I'm encouraging them, hey, do the >> And so I'm encouraging them, hey, do the hard thing now, pick up the heavy thing hard thing now, pick up the heavy thing hard thing now, pick up the heavy thing now. I got a buddy named Justin Early.

now. I got a buddy named Justin Early. now. I got a buddy named Justin Early. He wrote a brilliant book. It's called He wrote a brilliant book. It's called He wrote a brilliant book. It's called The Body Teaches the Soul. And it's all The Body Teaches the Soul. And it's all The Body Teaches the Soul. And it's all about how, you know, we've collapsed our about how, you know, we've collapsed our about how, you know, we've collapsed our spiritual life from our physical life. spiritual life from our physical life. spiritual life from our physical life. But really, they're integrated. We're But really, they're integrated. We're But really, they're integrated. We're integrated people just the way Jesus was integrated people just the way Jesus was integrated people just the way Jesus was fully God, fully man. We are physical fully God, fully man. We are physical fully God, fully man. We are physical people with and we're spiritual people. people with and we're spiritual people. people with and we're spiritual people. And we don't want to negate negate the And we don't want to negate negate the And we don't want to negate negate the fact that you're a physical to train fact that you're a physical to train fact that you're a physical to train your body to do hard things, pick up your body to do hard things, pick up your body to do hard things, pick up stuff, go walk, move. So, I would say stuff, go walk, move. So, I would say stuff, go walk, move. So, I would say that that that means you're a protector. that that that means you're a protector. that that that means you're a protector. You should be competent, capable of You should be competent, capable of You should be competent, capable of protecting. protecting. protecting. >> Yeah. Someone broke into your home. It's >> Yeah. Someone broke into your home. It's >> Yeah. Someone broke into your home. It's our job to, you know, deal with the our job to, you know, deal with the our job to, you know, deal with the intruder, to stop them. Whatever is intruder, to stop them. Whatever is intruder, to stop them. Whatever is needed, we're going to do that. But in needed, we're going to do that. But in needed, we're going to do that. But in many homes are under spiritual attack many homes are under spiritual attack many homes are under spiritual attack and the father is not being a protector. and the father is not being a protector. and the father is not being a protector. He's not looking out for the spiritual He's not looking out for the spiritual He's not looking out for the spiritual welfare of the family, not leading his welfare of the family, not leading his welfare of the family, not leading his family spiritually. So these are all family spiritually. So these are all family spiritually. So these are all important things. important things. important things. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and so what ends up >> Yeah. Yeah. And and so what ends up >> Yeah. Yeah. And and so what ends up happening is if we as the church, we happening is if we as the church, we happening is if we as the church, we don't speak into these things, the world don't speak into these things, the world don't speak into these things, the world is going to give men a perverted version is going to give men a perverted version is going to give men a perverted version of this. They're going to add just of this. They're going to add just of this. They're going to add just enough of a kernel of truth in there and enough of a kernel of truth in there and enough of a kernel of truth in there and then they're going to take it and then they're going to take it and then they're going to take it and they're going to andrew Tate it. They're they're going to andrew Tate it. They're they're going to andrew Tate it. They're going to they're going to make it about going to they're going to make it about going to they're going to make it about click. They're going to make it about click. They're going to make it about click. They're going to make it about looks maxing. They're going to make it looks maxing. They're going to make it looks maxing. They're going to make it about being a playboy and all this about being a playboy and all this about being a playboy and all this nonsense. And so I think we have to be nonsense. And so I think we have to be nonsense. And so I think we have to be clear in speaking to these things. And clear in speaking to these things. And clear in speaking to these things. And this is what I discovered. People always this is what I discovered. People always this is what I discovered. People always ask why don't you talk about women's ask why don't you talk about women's ask why don't you talk about women's issues and why don't you talk about issues and why don't you talk about issues and why don't you talk about women and modern women? And I go women and modern women? And I go women and modern women? And I go generally speaking, I'm sure you could generally speaking, I'm sure you could generally speaking, I'm sure you could speak to this. If we get the men, speak to this. If we get the men, speak to this. If we get the men, >> if the men start following and loving >> if the men start following and loving >> if the men start following and loving Jesus, women tend to follow.

Jesus, women tend to follow. Jesus, women tend to follow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You get the men, the women follow, the >> You get the men, the women follow, the >> You get the men, the women follow, the children follow. And so as we build up children follow. And so as we build up children follow. And so as we build up competent, capable men, uh I've just competent, capable men, uh I've just competent, capable men, uh I've just always noticed that man, a woman would always noticed that man, a woman would always noticed that man, a woman would love to feel protected and provided for love to feel protected and provided for love to feel protected and provided for and when she when she feels safe, she and when she when she feels safe, she and when she when she feels safe, she naturally slides into her feminine um naturally slides into her feminine um naturally slides into her feminine um you know, frame of being able to be led. you know, frame of being able to be led. you know, frame of being able to be led. But if they're always in anxiety cuz But if they're always in anxiety cuz But if they're always in anxiety cuz they don't know if the bills are going they don't know if the bills are going they don't know if the bills are going to get paid and they don't know what's to get paid and they don't know what's to get paid and they don't know what's going to happen, then then then you get going to happen, then then then you get going to happen, then then then you get some of that usurping that we see from some of that usurping that we see from some of that usurping that we see from the curse of Genesis 3. And so I say the curse of Genesis 3. And so I say the curse of Genesis 3. And so I say let's get let's get the men on board. let's get let's get the men on board. let's get let's get the men on board. And for my experience, women tend to And for my experience, women tend to And for my experience, women tend to follow. follow. follow. >> Very true. And you know, it's >> Very true. And you know, it's >> Very true. And you know, it's interesting because you came from a interesting because you came from a interesting because you came from a background where you saw the effects of background where you saw the effects of background where you saw the effects of communism communism communism >> in real time. And yet in our country >> in real time. And yet in our country >> in real time. And yet in our country now, we're seeing an emergence of now, we're seeing an emergence of now, we're seeing an emergence of communism. People even running for communism. People even running for communism. People even running for office, we call them democratic office, we call them democratic office, we call them democratic socialists, but in many ways, they're socialists, but in many ways, they're socialists, but in many ways, they're just outright communist. just outright communist. just outright communist. >> Oh, no. They're flatout communists. >> Oh, no. They're flatout communists. >> Oh, no. They're flatout communists. >> And and so define define socialism, >> And and so define define socialism, >> And and so define define socialism, communism, and what you mean when you communism, and what you mean when you communism, and what you mean when you say flatout communists. say flatout communists. say flatout communists. >> Well, I they're the same thing. anyone >> Well, I they're the same thing. anyone >> Well, I they're the same thing. anyone that's being intellectually honest. When that's being intellectually honest. When that's being intellectually honest. When you want to own the means of production you want to own the means of production you want to own the means of production and you want that to be owned by the and you want that to be owned by the and you want that to be owned by the people, i.e. the state, you're a people, i.e. the state, you're a people, i.e. the state, you're a communist, you're a socialist. If you communist, you're a socialist. If you communist, you're a socialist. If you want to say we need more safety nets and want to say we need more safety nets and want to say we need more safety nets and we want to have universal healthcare and we want to have universal healthcare and we want to have universal healthcare and look at the Scandinavian nations, that's look at the Scandinavian nations, that's look at the Scandinavian nations, that's a different conversation because the a different conversation because the a different conversation because the Scandinavian nations all pay more in Scandinavian nations all pay more in Scandinavian nations all pay more in taxes. So if people want to collectively taxes. So if people want to collectively taxes. So if people want to collectively get together and say, "Hey, the lower get together and say, "Hey, the lower get together and say, "Hey, the lower class and the middle class are all going class and the middle class are all going class and the middle class are all going to pay more in taxes so we can have to pay more in taxes so we can have to pay more in taxes so we can have healthcare or we could have whatever healthcare or we could have whatever healthcare or we could have whatever safety net program," that's a different safety net program," that's a different safety net program," that's a different conversation. But Sweden and these conversation. But Sweden and these conversation. But Sweden and these places, they're still capitalistic. They

places, they're still capitalistic. They places, they're still capitalistic. They just all pay more. Canada, they just all just all pay more. Canada, they just all just all pay more. Canada, they just all pay more and then they they spend more. pay more and then they they spend more. pay more and then they they spend more. So I think here in America, I think we So I think here in America, I think we So I think here in America, I think we have the best of both worlds in the have the best of both worlds in the have the best of both worlds in the sense that there's safety nets that if sense that there's safety nets that if sense that there's safety nets that if something were to happen to someone, something were to happen to someone, something were to happen to someone, there's stuff like welfare. People don't there's stuff like welfare. People don't there's stuff like welfare. People don't know we spend a trillion dollars a year know we spend a trillion dollars a year know we spend a trillion dollars a year on welfare. That's more than our on welfare. That's more than our on welfare. That's more than our military budget. That's a fact. You can military budget. That's a fact. You can military budget. That's a fact. You can check me on that. Um so we spend a lot check me on that. Um so we spend a lot check me on that. Um so we spend a lot of money already on the safety nets. But of money already on the safety nets. But of money already on the safety nets. But in our framework, we just keep thinking in our framework, we just keep thinking in our framework, we just keep thinking that taxing the rich is going to fix that taxing the rich is going to fix that taxing the rich is going to fix everything. And it's not. The reality is everything. And it's not. The reality is everything. And it's not. The reality is that if you took 99% of the wealth from that if you took 99% of the wealth from that if you took 99% of the wealth from all the billionaires, you would get $8 all the billionaires, you would get $8 all the billionaires, you would get $8 trillion or $9 trillion that that would trillion or $9 trillion that that would trillion or $9 trillion that that would fund our federal budget for what a year fund our federal budget for what a year fund our federal budget for what a year and a half, two years. I did the math on and a half, two years. I did the math on and a half, two years. I did the math on this. I really went down this rabbit this. I really went down this rabbit this. I really went down this rabbit hole. Uh and so these guys are flat hole. Uh and so these guys are flat hole. Uh and so these guys are flat madami and you know, these guys are flat madami and you know, these guys are flat madami and you know, these guys are flat out saying, "Yeah, the ultimate end is out saying, "Yeah, the ultimate end is out saying, "Yeah, the ultimate end is we want to own the means of production. we want to own the means of production. we want to own the means of production. We want the government to own the We want the government to own the We want the government to own the capital and we don't want private capital and we don't want private capital and we don't want private citizens to own capital." And that never citizens to own capital." And that never citizens to own capital." And that never goes well. That always falls apart. And goes well. That always falls apart. And goes well. That always falls apart. And we saw it happen in the Soviet Union. we saw it happen in the Soviet Union. we saw it happen in the Soviet Union. You see it uh in nation after nation. You see it uh in nation after nation. You see it uh in nation after nation. >> Well, there's no example of it working >> Well, there's no example of it working >> Well, there's no example of it working ever anywhere.

ever anywhere. ever anywhere. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yep. Yep. >> And it's resulted in the deaths of >> And it's resulted in the deaths of >> And it's resulted in the deaths of literally millions and millions of literally millions and millions of literally millions and millions of people. people. people. >> Yep. Yep. And and the way Christians are >> Yep. Yep. And and the way Christians are >> Yep. Yep. And and the way Christians are treated under these systems, the way treated under these systems, the way treated under these systems, the way Christians were treated in the Soviet Christians were treated in the Soviet Christians were treated in the Soviet Union. Yes. I meet I feel like every Union. Yes. I meet I feel like every Union. Yes. I meet I feel like every week I meet another Slavic Christian. My week I meet another Slavic Christian. My week I meet another Slavic Christian. My My dad was in prison for 10 years for My dad was in prison for 10 years for My dad was in prison for 10 years for being a Christian back in the Soviet being a Christian back in the Soviet being a Christian back in the Soviet Union. My uncle It It's awful. Union. My uncle It It's awful. Union. My uncle It It's awful. >> Yeah. So, a lot of this is amplified and >> Yeah. So, a lot of this is amplified and >> Yeah. So, a lot of this is amplified and spread online and and so you you know, spread online and and so you you know, spread online and and so you you know, you have your podcast and and you're out you have your podcast and and you're out you have your podcast and and you're out there making a difference. And so, let's there making a difference. And so, let's there making a difference. And so, let's talk a little bit about that. Let kind talk a little bit about that. Let kind talk a little bit about that. Let kind of focus a little bit on Gen Z. You of focus a little bit on Gen Z. You of focus a little bit on Gen Z. You know, they've been described by some as know, they've been described by some as know, they've been described by some as the hopeless generation. Uh 72% of them the hopeless generation. Uh 72% of them the hopeless generation. Uh 72% of them now are using AI companions instead of now are using AI companions instead of now are using AI companions instead of human interaction. They're literally human interaction. They're literally human interaction. They're literally going to chat or claude or whatever and going to chat or claude or whatever and going to chat or claude or whatever and they're asking questions they should be they're asking questions they should be they're asking questions they should be asking of God and asking at church with asking of God and asking at church with asking of God and asking at church with biblical response. So there's people who biblical response. So there's people who biblical response. So there's people who are older who maybe are perplexed by are older who maybe are perplexed by are older who maybe are perplexed by this generation. Gen Z like let's put this generation. Gen Z like let's put this generation. Gen Z like let's put myself in the position, okay, as an myself in the position, okay, as an myself in the position, okay, as an older person, a boomer, uh what do I older person, a boomer, uh what do I older person, a boomer, uh what do I need to know about Gen Z about what I need to know about Gen Z about what I need to know about Gen Z about what I can do to help them? Yeah, I think for can do to help them? Yeah, I think for can do to help them? Yeah, I think for starters, Gen Z is the most Jesus starters, Gen Z is the most Jesus starters, Gen Z is the most Jesus curious generation as well. Why do you curious generation as well. Why do you curious generation as well. Why do you say that?

say that? say that? >> Uh, well, the data shows that they h >> Uh, well, the data shows that they h >> Uh, well, the data shows that they h almost half of Gen Z is Jesus curious almost half of Gen Z is Jesus curious almost half of Gen Z is Jesus curious and Jesus open. That doesn't mean and Jesus open. That doesn't mean and Jesus open. That doesn't mean they're Christian. they're Christian. they're Christian. >> Would you contrast that to Gen X, which >> Would you contrast that to Gen X, which >> Would you contrast that to Gen X, which would be different? would be different? would be different? >> More secular. Yeah, Gen X is way more >> More secular. Yeah, Gen X is way more >> More secular. Yeah, Gen X is way more secular. secular. secular. >> Do you feel like they kind of feel like >> Do you feel like they kind of feel like >> Do you feel like they kind of feel like they got left out, the boomers, and then they got left out, the boomers, and then they got left out, the boomers, and then it went to Gen Z and like, hey, what it went to Gen Z and like, hey, what it went to Gen Z and like, hey, what about us? [laughter] Yeah. Well, you about us? [laughter] Yeah. Well, you about us? [laughter] Yeah. Well, you know the interesting thing I I went down know the interesting thing I I went down know the interesting thing I I went down the the I went deep on this and I found the the I went deep on this and I found the the I went deep on this and I found out that Gen Z, oddly enough, is the out that Gen Z, oddly enough, is the out that Gen Z, oddly enough, is the least sexually active generation. least sexually active generation. least sexually active generation. >> Isn't that interesting? >> Isn't that interesting? >> Isn't that interesting? >> Yeah. Least sexually. You know, the most >> Yeah. Least sexually. You know, the most >> Yeah. Least sexually. You know, the most sexually active generation was Gen Xers sexually active generation was Gen Xers sexually active generation was Gen Xers and boomers, and boomers, and boomers, >> all the free love stuff and the hippie >> all the free love stuff and the hippie >> all the free love stuff and the hippie stuff and you know that. So, they're stuff and you know that. So, they're stuff and you know that. So, they're they're the least sexually active. they're the least sexually active. they're the least sexually active. They're the most open to Jesus. They're They're the most open to Jesus. They're They're the most open to Jesus. They're the most isolated and alone, but they're the most isolated and alone, but they're the most isolated and alone, but they're most interconnected. So, they're like a most interconnected. So, they're like a most interconnected. So, they're like a walking talking paradox in time. uh walking talking paradox in time. uh walking talking paradox in time. uh they're very confused uh they're they're they're very confused uh they're they're they're very confused uh they're they're very anxious they're very stressed out very anxious they're very stressed out very anxious they're very stressed out and I think what is difficult in terms and I think what is difficult in terms and I think what is difficult in terms of dealing with them is they start of dealing with them is they start of dealing with them is they start thinking that their struggles are unique thinking that their struggles are unique thinking that their struggles are unique to them and they forget that every to them and they forget that every to them and they forget that every generation has had a unique struggle and generation has had a unique struggle and generation has had a unique struggle and so you you you think of the millennials so you you you think of the millennials so you you you think of the millennials I I got married in 2008 right as the I I got married in 2008 right as the I I got married in 2008 right as the housing market and the economy fell housing market and the economy fell housing market and the economy fell apart and it was very difficult just apart and it was very difficult just apart and it was very difficult just finding a part-time job so every finding a part-time job so every finding a part-time job so every generation has unique challenges they're generation has unique challenges they're generation has unique challenges they're going to deal with a bit more um going to deal with a bit more um going to deal with a bit more um inflation unfortunately and all the inflation unfortunately and all the inflation unfortunately and all the supply chain issues with COVID their, supply chain issues with COVID their, supply chain issues with COVID their, you know, senior, junior years of high you know, senior, junior years of high you know, senior, junior years of high school, freshman years of college, they school, freshman years of college, they school, freshman years of college, they were locked down. So they, so they feel were locked down. So they, so they feel were locked down. So they, so they feel like they were robbed of some stuff and like they were robbed of some stuff and like they were robbed of some stuff and they were uh considering that, you know, they were uh considering that, you know, they were uh considering that, you know, I think we locked down too hard and I think we locked down too hard and I think we locked down too hard and overdid it. And so there's a lot of

overdid it. And so there's a lot of overdid it. And so there's a lot of frustration and disorientation. And I frustration and disorientation. And I frustration and disorientation. And I think they're also not the most equipped think they're also not the most equipped think they're also not the most equipped with um processing information well. So with um processing information well. So with um processing information well. So they're very on to the next thing. So they're very on to the next thing. So they're very on to the next thing. So right now, oh, you know, Israel bad, so right now, oh, you know, Israel bad, so right now, oh, you know, Israel bad, so now they're on that train. Then, you now they're on that train. Then, you now they're on that train. Then, you know, before that it was BLM and police know, before that it was BLM and police know, before that it was BLM and police are bad and before that, you know, so are bad and before that, you know, so are bad and before that, you know, so it's like they they kind of move on from it's like they they kind of move on from it's like they they kind of move on from thing to thing and they and they love thing to thing and they and they love thing to thing and they and they love they want to change the world, but they they want to change the world, but they they want to change the world, but they don't want to change their world. So don't want to change their world. So don't want to change their world. So they're not thinking about what what's they're not thinking about what what's they're not thinking about what what's in front of me right now that I can in front of me right now that I can in front of me right now that I can influence. They want to think about influence. They want to think about influence. They want to think about what's happening 3,000 miles away. They what's happening 3,000 miles away. They what's happening 3,000 miles away. They want to think about this a action over want to think about this a action over want to think about this a action over here. And so they end up kind of missing here. And so they end up kind of missing here. And so they end up kind of missing what's right in front of them. And so what's right in front of them. And so what's right in front of them. And so what I'm trying to do is say, "Hey, hey what I'm trying to do is say, "Hey, hey what I'm trying to do is say, "Hey, hey guys, like there's a lot of stuff you guys, like there's a lot of stuff you guys, like there's a lot of stuff you can't control. We we can't the family we can't control. We we can't the family we can't control. We we can't the family we were born into, we the the year we were were born into, we the the year we were were born into, we the the year we were born, where we live, we can't control, born, where we live, we can't control, born, where we live, we can't control, but you can control what's in front of but you can control what's in front of but you can control what's in front of you." That's right. you." That's right. you." That's right. >> Let's work on what we control and doing >> Let's work on what we control and doing >> Let's work on what we control and doing those inputs. And I I think they need those inputs. And I I think they need those inputs. And I I think they need like every Gen Z person needs a good like every Gen Z person needs a good like every Gen Z person needs a good boomer in their life. Wow. boomer in their life. Wow. boomer in their life. Wow. >> They need someone in their life to >> They need someone in their life to >> They need someone in their life to remind them that um you're not that remind them that um you're not that remind them that um you're not that unique.

unique. unique. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're not that special. And let me tell >> You're not that special. And let me tell >> You're not that special. And let me tell you something. You think it's hard to you something. You think it's hard to you something. You think it's hard to buy a house? How about when interest buy a house? How about when interest buy a house? How about when interest rates were 15% or whatever they were in rates were 15% or whatever they were in rates were 15% or whatever they were in the 70s and the 80s, right? You you the 70s and the 80s, right? You you the 70s and the 80s, right? You you think it's difficult now? How about when think it's difficult now? How about when think it's difficult now? How about when we had the gas shortage in the 70s and we had the gas shortage in the 70s and we had the gas shortage in the 70s and all these things? Like we don't remember all these things? Like we don't remember all these things? Like we don't remember these things as millennials cuz we these things as millennials cuz we these things as millennials cuz we didn't live through these things, but didn't live through these things, but didn't live through these things, but you guys have gone through some serious you guys have gone through some serious you guys have gone through some serious things, wars, and crazy events. And so I things, wars, and crazy events. And so I things, wars, and crazy events. And so I think they need someone that's that's think they need someone that's that's think they need someone that's that's older that's that's a boomer that can older that's that's a boomer that can older that's that's a boomer that can sit there like you're not that unique. sit there like you're not that unique. sit there like you're not that unique. Like there's there's always uncertainty. Like there's there's always uncertainty. Like there's there's always uncertainty. There's always chaos. That's actually There's always chaos. That's actually There's always chaos. That's actually the natural state of the world is chaos. the natural state of the world is chaos. the natural state of the world is chaos. Like you're in a westernized American Like you're in a westernized American Like you're in a westernized American bubble where everything is orderly and bubble where everything is orderly and bubble where everything is orderly and there's laws. No, no, no. The natural there's laws. No, no, no. The natural there's laws. No, no, no. The natural state of the world is chaos. And so I state of the world is chaos. And so I state of the world is chaos. And so I I'm always encouraging a lot of the Gen I'm always encouraging a lot of the Gen I'm always encouraging a lot of the Gen Z like get get you a good boomer in your Z like get get you a good boomer in your Z like get get you a good boomer in your life. Get someone that you could just life. Get someone that you could just life. Get someone that you could just sit with and talk to. sit with and talk to. sit with and talk to. >> I love that. You know, um when I first >> I love that. You know, um when I first >> I love that. You know, um when I first came to Christ, I never had a father came to Christ, I never had a father came to Christ, I never had a father figure or for that matter a mother figure or for that matter a mother figure or for that matter a mother figure. So when I became a believer, I I figure. So when I became a believer, I I figure. So when I became a believer, I I wanted to meet godly older people. And wanted to meet godly older people. And wanted to meet godly older people. And it's funny, I didn't hang around people it's funny, I didn't hang around people it's funny, I didn't hang around people my age, but I like to hang around older my age, but I like to hang around older my age, but I like to hang around older people more because I thought I I have people more because I thought I I have people more because I thought I I have to figure these things out. I don't even to figure these things out. I don't even to figure these things out. I don't even know how to function really in a know how to function really in a know how to function really in a practical way. Uh Pastor Chuck Smith was practical way. Uh Pastor Chuck Smith was practical way. Uh Pastor Chuck Smith was a father figure for me. Uh later I had a father figure for me. Uh later I had a father figure for me. Uh later I had the privilege of getting to know Billy the privilege of getting to know Billy the privilege of getting to know Billy Graham, you know, a father type figure.

Graham, you know, a father type figure. Graham, you know, a father type figure. others in my life that were very others in my life that were very others in my life that were very important, other godly women too that I important, other godly women too that I important, other godly women too that I could talk to and ask qu Chuck had a could talk to and ask qu Chuck had a could talk to and ask qu Chuck had a wife uh she they're both in heaven now wife uh she they're both in heaven now wife uh she they're both in heaven now but her name is Kay talk to her about but her name is Kay talk to her about but her name is Kay talk to her about things and I had my aunt my mother things and I had my aunt my mother things and I had my aunt my mother sister who helped me a lot but it's so sister who helped me a lot but it's so sister who helped me a lot but it's so important and it's so great for the important and it's so great for the important and it's so great for the older folks to have a place to share the older folks to have a place to share the older folks to have a place to share the things they've learned and I've also things they've learned and I've also things they've learned and I've also converted to older believers and new converted to older believers and new converted to older believers and new believers older believers need new believers older believers need new believers older believers need new believers in their life to energize them believers in their life to energize them believers in their life to energize them and new believers need older believers and new believers need older believers and new believers need older believers in their life to stabilize them. in their life to stabilize them. in their life to stabilize them. >> Yeah, that's good. >> Yeah, that's good. >> Yeah, that's good. >> So, it's kind of the same principle but >> So, it's kind of the same principle but >> So, it's kind of the same principle but over in the spiritual world a little over in the spiritual world a little over in the spiritual world a little bit. bit. bit. >> How how old were you in your early 20s >> How how old were you in your early 20s >> How how old were you in your early 20s as you're coming to faith? Teens, early as you're coming to faith? Teens, early as you're coming to faith? Teens, early 20s. And how old was Chuck at that time? 20s. And how old was Chuck at that time? 20s. And how old was Chuck at that time? >> Oh my good question. I was um Well, I >> Oh my good question. I was um Well, I >> Oh my good question. I was um Well, I was I came to Christ at 17. I started to was I came to Christ at 17. I started to was I came to Christ at 17. I started to get to know him at 18. He would have get to know him at 18. He would have get to know him at 18. He would have been in his early 40s at that point. been in his early 40s at that point. been in his early 40s at that point. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Which now sounds young to me. >> Which now sounds young to me. >> Which now sounds young to me. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> But but he seems so much older. >> But but he seems so much older. >> But but he seems so much older. >> And he was already married with >> And he was already married with >> And he was already married with had kids. And so he was, you know, had kids. And so he was, you know, had kids. And so he was, you know, >> I I learned kind of a work ethic from >> I I learned kind of a work ethic from >> I I learned kind of a work ethic from Chuck, too, cuz I I had to learn how to Chuck, too, cuz I I had to learn how to Chuck, too, cuz I I had to learn how to provide for myself, to take care of provide for myself, to take care of provide for myself, to take care of myself, cuz sometimes my mom wouldn't myself, cuz sometimes my mom wouldn't myself, cuz sometimes my mom wouldn't come home at night, so I had to scrge come home at night, so I had to scrge come home at night, so I had to scrge money up. I had to feed myself, get money up. I had to feed myself, get money up. I had to feed myself, get myself ready for school, etc. Yeah.

myself ready for school, etc. Yeah. myself ready for school, etc. Yeah. >> So, you know, but God used those things >> So, you know, but God used those things >> So, you know, but God used those things later in my life as I think he's used later in my life as I think he's used later in my life as I think he's used your upbringing as well. Yeah. your upbringing as well. Yeah. your upbringing as well. Yeah. >> And you know, he can bring beauty out of >> And you know, he can bring beauty out of >> And you know, he can bring beauty out of ashes as the Bible says. and even cause ashes as the Bible says. and even cause ashes as the Bible says. and even cause all things to work together for good uh all things to work together for good uh all things to work together for good uh for his glory. So for his glory. So for his glory. So >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> but but looking for advice from older >> but but looking for advice from older >> but but looking for advice from older people and I would always ask them lots people and I would always ask them lots people and I would always ask them lots of questions. But older folks can learn of questions. But older folks can learn of questions. But older folks can learn from younger people, too. Don't you from younger people, too. Don't you from younger people, too. Don't you think? think? think? >> Absolutely. And I think for for >> Absolutely. And I think for for >> Absolutely. And I think for for starters, older folks need to know that starters, older folks need to know that starters, older folks need to know that you don't need to be intimidated by you don't need to be intimidated by you don't need to be intimidated by these guys. these guys. these guys. >> Yeah. They they're they come off >> Yeah. They they're they come off >> Yeah. They they're they come off standoffish. They're too cool for standoffish. They're too cool for standoffish. They're too cool for school. But the moment you spend a school. But the moment you spend a school. But the moment you spend a little bit of time and those facads come little bit of time and those facads come little bit of time and those facads come down, they they they want to be known. down, they they they want to be known. down, they they they want to be known. >> They want to be known. They they want to >> They want to be known. They they want to >> They want to be known. They they want to they want to have time. A lot of these they want to have time. A lot of these they want to have time. A lot of these folks, they just want time. They don't folks, they just want time. They don't folks, they just want time. They don't they don't need you to have the house they don't need you to have the house they don't need you to have the house perfect. They don't need you to make a perfect. They don't need you to make a perfect. They don't need you to make a fancy dinner. Yeah. Just open up your fancy dinner. Yeah. Just open up your fancy dinner. Yeah. Just open up your home. And and and we have, you know, an home. And and and we have, you know, an home. And and and we have, you know, an influx right now of Gen Z coming to influx right now of Gen Z coming to influx right now of Gen Z coming to faith, especially young young gen men faith, especially young young gen men faith, especially young young gen men that are Gen Z that are coming to faith. that are Gen Z that are coming to faith. that are Gen Z that are coming to faith. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Um swarming back to churches. >> Um swarming back to churches. >> Um swarming back to churches. >> Is that still happening?

>> Is that still happening? >> Is that still happening? >> I think so. I mean, at our churches is a >> I think so. I mean, at our churches is a >> I think so. I mean, at our churches is a ton of men. I mean, women too, but I see ton of men. I mean, women too, but I see ton of men. I mean, women too, but I see a lot of men. a lot of men. a lot of men. >> So, still is it more uh young Gen Z men, >> So, still is it more uh young Gen Z men, >> So, still is it more uh young Gen Z men, young men than young women? That's what young men than young women? That's what young men than young women? That's what the data is showing. That's what the the data is showing. That's what the the data is showing. That's what the data data data >> I read that but I wonder if it shifted a >> I read that but I wonder if it shifted a >> I read that but I wonder if it shifted a little or not. little or not. little or not. >> Yeah, I I would say on a ground level >> Yeah, I I would say on a ground level >> Yeah, I I would say on a ground level I'm seeing 55 45 55% men, 45% women. Um I'm seeing 55 45 55% men, 45% women. Um I'm seeing 55 45 55% men, 45% women. Um >> because in the past it was more it >> because in the past it was more it >> because in the past it was more it seemed like women would always lead the seemed like women would always lead the seemed like women would always lead the way in all these things. way in all these things. way in all these things. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's I think >> Yeah. Yeah. It's I think >> Yeah. Yeah. It's I think >> that's an unusual shift. >> that's an unusual shift. >> that's an unusual shift. >> It's an it's a very unusual shift. Um >> It's an it's a very unusual shift. Um >> It's an it's a very unusual shift. Um and so I think these these folks just and so I think these these folks just and so I think these these folks just want relationship. They want to be want relationship. They want to be want relationship. They want to be around more caught than taught. And and around more caught than taught. And and around more caught than taught. And and you don't got to get the house perfect. you don't got to get the house perfect. you don't got to get the house perfect. You don't got to make a perfect meal for You don't got to make a perfect meal for You don't got to make a perfect meal for them. Just invite them over when you're them. Just invite them over when you're them. Just invite them over when you're doing yard work. Invite them over when doing yard work. Invite them over when doing yard work. Invite them over when you're running errands. Invite them over you're running errands. Invite them over you're running errands. Invite them over to take them on a walk. Like they to take them on a walk. Like they to take them on a walk. Like they appreciate those simple things. And I appreciate those simple things. And I appreciate those simple things. And I think it's the proximity that that think it's the proximity that that think it's the proximity that that matters. And and I would I would bet matters. And and I would I would bet matters. And and I would I would bet that in the same way, you know, Pastor that in the same way, you know, Pastor that in the same way, you know, Pastor Chuck wasn't intimidated by a bunch of Chuck wasn't intimidated by a bunch of Chuck wasn't intimidated by a bunch of young hippies and all these folks young hippies and all these folks young hippies and all these folks around. I would say that we need some of around. I would say that we need some of around. I would say that we need some of that fearlessness from the boomers to that fearlessness from the boomers to that fearlessness from the boomers to say I'm not afraid of you guys. Like say I'm not afraid of you guys. Like say I'm not afraid of you guys. Like whatever. Like, okay, so you you got Tik whatever. Like, okay, so you you got Tik whatever. Like, okay, so you you got Tik Tok brain. You know, you got a short Tok brain. You know, you got a short Tok brain. You know, you got a short attention span. Okay, come over. Come attention span. Okay, come over. Come attention span. Okay, come over. Come over. And so now we got these young over. And so now we got these young over. And so now we got these young folks folks folks >> and you got boomers who have homes and >> and you got boomers who have homes and >> and you got boomers who have homes and spaces for them to gather. That's spaces for them to gather. That's spaces for them to gather. That's another thing is like the death of the another thing is like the death of the another thing is like the death of the third space where what is the third third space where what is the third third space where what is the third space in between home and school? And a space in between home and school? And a space in between home and school? And a lot of them are coming from lot of them are coming from lot of them are coming from dysfunctional homes. So they don't want dysfunctional homes. So they don't want dysfunctional homes. So they don't want to be at home. And so opening up the to be at home. And so opening up the to be at home. And so opening up the home to just say come on over, come hang home to just say come on over, come hang home to just say come on over, come hang out. I love that. So, that's something out. I love that. So, that's something out. I love that. So, that's something anybody could do. Any like Christian

anybody could do. Any like Christian anybody could do. Any like Christian listening listening listening >> to this could open their home and when >> to this could open their home and when >> to this could open their home and when they have dinner, they could invite some they have dinner, they could invite some they have dinner, they could invite some younger people over and just say, "Hey, younger people over and just say, "Hey, younger people over and just say, "Hey, let's hang out." Someone did that for me let's hang out." Someone did that for me let's hang out." Someone did that for me after I became a Christian. A guy named after I became a Christian. A guy named after I became a Christian. A guy named Mark uh said, "Hey, um come over to my Mark uh said, "Hey, um come over to my Mark uh said, "Hey, um come over to my house for dinner." And I'd never been house for dinner." And I'd never been house for dinner." And I'd never been with a Christian family before. I'd with a Christian family before. I'd with a Christian family before. I'd never said grace before a meal. And so, never said grace before a meal. And so, never said grace before a meal. And so, we had the meal and then afterwards we we had the meal and then afterwards we we had the meal and then afterwards we had a little Bible study. We'd talk had a little Bible study. We'd talk had a little Bible study. We'd talk about the Bible and it was just like about the Bible and it was just like about the Bible and it was just like revelatory to me. This is what I'd been revelatory to me. This is what I'd been revelatory to me. This is what I'd been looking for. This is what I'd been looking for. This is what I'd been looking for. This is what I'd been wanting. And so I came to Christ during wanting. And so I came to Christ during wanting. And so I came to Christ during a spiritual awakening. We've talked a spiritual awakening. We've talked a spiritual awakening. We've talked about it a lot. The Jesus Revolution. about it a lot. The Jesus Revolution. about it a lot. The Jesus Revolution. They made a movie out of it. Do you They made a movie out of it. Do you They made a movie out of it. Do you think are you seeing signs of what could think are you seeing signs of what could think are you seeing signs of what could be another revival among Gen Z right be another revival among Gen Z right be another revival among Gen Z right now? now? now? >> I am on the ground in terms of our >> I am on the ground in terms of our >> I am on the ground in terms of our church has doubled. You've met my church has doubled. You've met my church has doubled. You've met my pastor, Pastor Jeff Moore. So within the pastor, Pastor Jeff Moore. So within the pastor, Pastor Jeff Moore. So within the last 18 months, our church has doubled last 18 months, our church has doubled last 18 months, our church has doubled in size. I'm I just spoke at college a in size. I'm I just spoke at college a in size. I'm I just spoke at college a church. Uh they've doubled church. Uh they've doubled church. Uh they've doubled >> and so I'm hearing a lot of church >> and so I'm hearing a lot of church >> and so I'm hearing a lot of church doubling tripling really quickly. So I I doubling tripling really quickly. So I I doubling tripling really quickly. So I I I do think there seems to be a shift I do think there seems to be a shift I do think there seems to be a shift happening happening happening >> and I think that that is a beautiful >> and I think that that is a beautiful >> and I think that that is a beautiful thing.

thing. thing. >> Do can you identify because you travel >> Do can you identify because you travel >> Do can you identify because you travel on you speak in different churches like on you speak in different churches like on you speak in different churches like I've noticed this type of church is I've noticed this type of church is I've noticed this type of church is doubling and tripling and this other doubling and tripling and this other doubling and tripling and this other type of church isn't. type of church isn't. type of church isn't. >> Oh that's a great question. Okay. So I >> Oh that's a great question. Okay. So I >> Oh that's a great question. Okay. So I would say the church the this is what would say the church the this is what would say the church the this is what makes Jingi unique is they want makes Jingi unique is they want makes Jingi unique is they want substance. They want to go deep. substance. They want to go deep. substance. They want to go deep. >> So define that. >> So define that. >> So define that. >> They want to know what the Greek says. >> They want to know what the Greek says. >> They want to know what the Greek says. >> They want to know about the manuscripts. >> They want to know about the manuscripts. >> They want to know about the manuscripts. They want to know uh about church They want to know uh about church They want to know uh about church history. Yeah. history. Yeah. history. Yeah. >> They they want to know and and be >> They they want to know and and be >> They they want to know and and be informed and so they want to go deep. So informed and so they want to go deep. So informed and so they want to go deep. So the churches that are exploding right the churches that are exploding right the churches that are exploding right now again Pastor Chris Hilin College a now again Pastor Chris Hilin College a now again Pastor Chris Hilin College a church right in SDSU. He's he's church right in SDSU. He's he's church right in SDSU. He's he's preaching an hour hard. Wow. There's not preaching an hour hard. Wow. There's not preaching an hour hard. Wow. There's not always an opening illustration. There's always an opening illustration. There's always an opening illustration. There's not a story. There's not a funny story. not a story. There's not a funny story. not a story. There's not a funny story. I think Jesus, All right, guys. We're uh I think Jesus, All right, guys. We're uh I think Jesus, All right, guys. We're uh in Colossians chapter 4, turn your in Colossians chapter 4, turn your in Colossians chapter 4, turn your Bibles. Boom. I just went to see Pastor Bibles. Boom. I just went to see Pastor Bibles. Boom. I just went to see Pastor Joby Martin out at 11:22. One of the I Joby Martin out at 11:22. One of the I Joby Martin out at 11:22. One of the I want to say top 20 churches in America want to say top 20 churches in America want to say top 20 churches in America right now. Over 30,000 35,000 people on right now. Over 30,000 35,000 people on right now. Over 30,000 35,000 people on a Sunday. Um taking them through the a Sunday. Um taking them through the a Sunday. Um taking them through the Gospel of Matthew verse by verse. Hey Gospel of Matthew verse by verse. Hey Gospel of Matthew verse by verse. Hey guys, Matthew. Boom. And he's taking guys, Matthew. Boom. And he's taking guys, Matthew. Boom. And he's taking them through Matthew. At Rhythm Church, them through Matthew. At Rhythm Church, them through Matthew. At Rhythm Church, we just finished Joshua. Um before that, we just finished Joshua. Um before that, we just finished Joshua. Um before that, we spent a year in Acts. So I would say we spent a year in Acts. So I would say we spent a year in Acts. So I would say they're they're preaching the the they're they're preaching the the they're they're preaching the the scriptures. They're preaching the text.

scriptures. They're preaching the text. scriptures. They're preaching the text. These churches are going along. These churches are going along. These churches are going along. >> They're they're 45 minutes minimal. >> They're they're 45 minutes minimal. >> They're they're 45 minutes minimal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> They're going sometimes an hour. >> They're going sometimes an hour. >> They're going sometimes an hour. >> Uh they're going deep. >> Uh they're going deep. >> Uh they're going deep. >> And there is some sort of applicable >> And there is some sort of applicable >> And there is some sort of applicable step. What can you do? Step in, serve, step. What can you do? Step in, serve, step. What can you do? Step in, serve, contribute. Don't just be a consumer. contribute. Don't just be a consumer. contribute. Don't just be a consumer. Don't just sit sit and take take take. Don't just sit sit and take take take. Don't just sit sit and take take take. No. Step in and do something with the No. Step in and do something with the No. Step in and do something with the faith. So those are some of the identity faith. So those are some of the identity faith. So those are some of the identity markers that I'm noticing. Anything markers that I'm noticing. Anything markers that I'm noticing. Anything else? Like would the ch styles of else? Like would the ch styles of else? Like would the ch styles of worship vary? Would they tend to be more worship vary? Would they tend to be more worship vary? Would they tend to be more contemporary? Because sometimes you contemporary? Because sometimes you contemporary? Because sometimes you hear, oh, young people are attracted now hear, oh, young people are attracted now hear, oh, young people are attracted now more to tradition or to a liturgy or or more to tradition or to a liturgy or or more to tradition or to a liturgy or or to something else. And to me, a lot of to something else. And to me, a lot of to something else. And to me, a lot of times it's action reaction. So like, you times it's action reaction. So like, you times it's action reaction. So like, you know, the generation before us, very know, the generation before us, very know, the generation before us, very formal traditional church. So gen uh you formal traditional church. So gen uh you formal traditional church. So gen uh you know, boomers, we're all we had the know, boomers, we're all we had the know, boomers, we're all we had the hippie thing. Okay. and we invented hippie thing. Okay. and we invented hippie thing. Okay. and we invented effectively contemporary Christian effectively contemporary Christian effectively contemporary Christian music, you know, electric guitars, music, you know, electric guitars, music, you know, electric guitars, drums. But then when you're a kid and drums. But then when you're a kid and drums. But then when you're a kid and you're raised in that now that's the you're raised in that now that's the you're raised in that now that's the norm. norm. norm. >> So, you know, we think it's cutting >> So, you know, we think it's cutting >> So, you know, we think it's cutting edge. So, look how cutting edge we are.

edge. So, look how cutting edge we are. edge. So, look how cutting edge we are. We have electric guitars and maybe they We have electric guitars and maybe they We have electric guitars and maybe they think, well, we don't think that's cool. think, well, we don't think that's cool. think, well, we don't think that's cool. And then they react and then then they And then they react and then then they And then they react and then then they get older and then the ne their kids, get older and then the ne their kids, get older and then the ne their kids, they react. So, it's all these actions they react. So, it's all these actions they react. So, it's all these actions reactions. reactions. reactions. >> Yes. Yeah. Old old things become new, >> Yes. Yeah. Old old things become new, >> Yes. Yeah. Old old things become new, don't they? So, absolutely. So that's don't they? So, absolutely. So that's don't they? So, absolutely. So that's that's great for AV budgets at churches. that's great for AV budgets at churches. that's great for AV budgets at churches. They don't care about the fog machine. They don't care about the fog machine. They don't care about the fog machine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> They don't need a fancy light show. This >> They don't need a fancy light show. This >> They don't need a fancy light show. This is the most marketed to generation ever. is the most marketed to generation ever. is the most marketed to generation ever. >> Everything has been marketed. So >> Everything has been marketed. So >> Everything has been marketed. So remember my generation, we as remember my generation, we as remember my generation, we as millennials, I remember a world before millennials, I remember a world before millennials, I remember a world before iPhone. iPhone. iPhone. >> I remember a world before social media. >> I remember a world before social media. >> I remember a world before social media. >> I remember a world before everyone >> I remember a world before everyone >> I remember a world before everyone walked around with their head down. walked around with their head down. walked around with their head down. >> These kids have always grown up with an >> These kids have always grown up with an >> These kids have always grown up with an iPad, a tablet, a phone in their hand. iPad, a tablet, a phone in their hand. iPad, a tablet, a phone in their hand. So they're the most marketed to So they're the most marketed to So they're the most marketed to generation. So they don't want to feel generation. So they don't want to feel generation. So they don't want to feel like you're trying to sell them like you're trying to sell them like you're trying to sell them something. They don't need an something. They don't need an something. They don't need an over-the-top production. They've seen it over-the-top production. They've seen it over-the-top production. They've seen it all. They've gone They've seen Taylor all. They've gone They've seen Taylor all. They've gone They've seen Taylor Swift. They've seen Drake at tour. Swift. They've seen Drake at tour. Swift. They've seen Drake at tour. You're not gonna out Drake. Just Just You're not gonna out Drake. Just Just You're not gonna out Drake. Just Just give us good, wholesome, reverent give us good, wholesome, reverent give us good, wholesome, reverent worship. That's what we want. And I worship. That's what we want. And I worship. That's what we want. And I don't think they're angry at the fog don't think they're angry at the fog don't think they're angry at the fog machines, but that's that's not drawing machines, but that's that's not drawing machines, but that's that's not drawing them in. That's not cool to them. They them in. That's not cool to them. They them in. That's not cool to them. They just they want simplicity. And I think just they want simplicity. And I think just they want simplicity. And I think that I mean, you're seeing that. Yes.

that I mean, you're seeing that. Yes. that I mean, you're seeing that. Yes. So, with the with the liturgy and the So, with the with the liturgy and the So, with the with the liturgy and the order and the structure, I think there's order and the structure, I think there's order and the structure, I think there's there's a hunger for that as well. Yeah. there's a hunger for that as well. Yeah. there's a hunger for that as well. Yeah. >> Wow. Now, on your podcast, you interview >> Wow. Now, on your podcast, you interview >> Wow. Now, on your podcast, you interview all kinds of people. You talk about all all kinds of people. You talk about all all kinds of people. You talk about all kinds of subjects. And it seems to me kinds of subjects. And it seems to me kinds of subjects. And it seems to me right now online that obviously you can right now online that obviously you can right now online that obviously you can grow your platform by controversy, by grow your platform by controversy, by grow your platform by controversy, by criticism. Some people seem to all it criticism. Some people seem to all it criticism. Some people seem to all it seems they do is criticize and and seems they do is criticize and and seems they do is criticize and and that's that's how they get, you know, that's that's how they get, you know, that's that's how they get, you know, likes or or followers or clicks or likes or or followers or clicks or likes or or followers or clicks or whatever platform they're utilizing to whatever platform they're utilizing to whatever platform they're utilizing to do that. and you are not doing that, but do that. and you are not doing that, but do that. and you are not doing that, but you do deal with subjects and you're not you do deal with subjects and you're not you do deal with subjects and you're not afraid to shy away from certain things. afraid to shy away from certain things. afraid to shy away from certain things. So, when something is like it's a trendy So, when something is like it's a trendy So, when something is like it's a trendy topic topic topic >> and you think, okay, should I do a >> and you think, okay, should I do a >> and you think, okay, should I do a podcast on this podcast on this podcast on this >> or should I just sit this one out, >> or should I just sit this one out, >> or should I just sit this one out, >> how do you make that determination? >> how do you make that determination? >> how do you make that determination? >> Yeah, I prayfully hopefully we're >> Yeah, I prayfully hopefully we're >> Yeah, I prayfully hopefully we're praying and we're thinking and uh we're praying and we're thinking and uh we're praying and we're thinking and uh we're also attempting to listen to our also attempting to listen to our also attempting to listen to our audience and what what are they what are audience and what what are they what are audience and what what are they what are their concerns? what are they fearful their concerns? what are they fearful their concerns? what are they fearful of? What are they worried about? Um and of? What are they worried about? Um and of? What are they worried about? Um and then there yeah there there are certain then there yeah there there are certain then there yeah there there are certain things that things that things that >> if something is publicly verified, these >> if something is publicly verified, these >> if something is publicly verified, these are public statements being made.

are public statements being made. are public statements being made. >> Um I think public statements uh open up >> Um I think public statements uh open up >> Um I think public statements uh open up public responses. Yeah. public responses. Yeah. public responses. Yeah. >> And I think I think that's a huge one. >> And I think I think that's a huge one. >> And I think I think that's a huge one. So if something is not public or if So if something is not public or if So if something is not public or if something is a rumor, I mean in in in my something is a rumor, I mean in in in my something is a rumor, I mean in in in my world I'm hearing a lot of stuff and and world I'm hearing a lot of stuff and and world I'm hearing a lot of stuff and and that's rumors and so I try not to speak that's rumors and so I try not to speak that's rumors and so I try not to speak on anything that's not publicly on anything that's not publicly on anything that's not publicly verified. So generally is it public? Is verified. So generally is it public? Is verified. So generally is it public? Is it coming from the horse's mouth? And it coming from the horse's mouth? And it coming from the horse's mouth? And and then is there more to this than and then is there more to this than and then is there more to this than meets the eye? Meaning this that meets the eye? Meaning this that meets the eye? Meaning this that sometimes Proverbs says, you know, he sometimes Proverbs says, you know, he sometimes Proverbs says, you know, he who presents his case first seems right who presents his case first seems right who presents his case first seems right and then until the one that comes and and then until the one that comes and and then until the one that comes and does the cross- examination. Right? I'm does the cross- examination. Right? I'm does the cross- examination. Right? I'm paraphrasing. So sometimes the being paraphrasing. So sometimes the being paraphrasing. So sometimes the being first isn't being right. Sometimes you first isn't being right. Sometimes you first isn't being right. Sometimes you can get to a a story or a topic or video can get to a a story or a topic or video can get to a a story or a topic or video first and you're not always right. So I first and you're not always right. So I first and you're not always right. So I think it's also slowing down and saying, think it's also slowing down and saying, think it's also slowing down and saying, "Wait a minute. Is there is there more "Wait a minute. Is there is there more "Wait a minute. Is there is there more here to this? Let's hit pause. I've here to this? Let's hit pause. I've here to this? Let's hit pause. I've intentionally tried to do videos where intentionally tried to do videos where intentionally tried to do videos where I'm doing Yes. and content and I'm I'm I'm doing Yes. and content and I'm I'm I'm doing Yes. and content and I'm I'm I'm trying to share something positive I'm trying to share something positive I'm trying to share something positive and not just tear down. I like that. and not just tear down. I like that. and not just tear down. I like that. >> Um because I think it's very easy to >> Um because I think it's very easy to >> Um because I think it's very easy to just tear down.

just tear down. just tear down. >> Yeah. I think you're very balanced. I I >> Yeah. I think you're very balanced. I I >> Yeah. I think you're very balanced. I I always appreciate your take on things always appreciate your take on things always appreciate your take on things and there'll be a subject coming up and and there'll be a subject coming up and and there'll be a subject coming up and I'll say, "Oh, Rouslan's dealing with I'll say, "Oh, Rouslan's dealing with I'll say, "Oh, Rouslan's dealing with this. I'm going to see what his take on this. I'm going to see what his take on this. I'm going to see what his take on it is." because I I like that you're it is." because I I like that you're it is." because I I like that you're you're not afraid to tackle a difficult you're not afraid to tackle a difficult you're not afraid to tackle a difficult subject, but you come at it with a subject, but you come at it with a subject, but you come at it with a biblical worldview and and I think biblical worldview and and I think biblical worldview and and I think you're very evenhanded with things and you're very evenhanded with things and you're very evenhanded with things and you want to know what is true and verify you want to know what is true and verify you want to know what is true and verify it. And so I think you do real I think it. And so I think you do real I think it. And so I think you do real I think you're a very important voice out there. you're a very important voice out there. you're a very important voice out there. And it's, you know, and I think And it's, you know, and I think And it's, you know, and I think [clears throat] some people will blow [clears throat] some people will blow [clears throat] some people will blow their things up bigger and then they'll their things up bigger and then they'll their things up bigger and then they'll crash and burn one day. And I would crash and burn one day. And I would crash and burn one day. And I would rather be steady, consistent, and do it rather be steady, consistent, and do it rather be steady, consistent, and do it in the right way. Even if I have less in the right way. Even if I have less in the right way. Even if I have less followers. followers. followers. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> You know, even if I have less clicks or >> You know, even if I have less clicks or >> You know, even if I have less clicks or if I have less whatever, I'll just say if I have less whatever, I'll just say if I have less whatever, I'll just say this is something I want to say and I'm this is something I want to say and I'm this is something I want to say and I'm going to say it. And I think it needs to going to say it. And I think it needs to going to say it. And I think it needs to be said and maybe it'll be responded to be said and maybe it'll be responded to be said and maybe it'll be responded to well and maybe it won't be. But then well and maybe it won't be. But then well and maybe it won't be. But then there are things that I'm surprised by there are things that I'm surprised by there are things that I'm surprised by how some things are responded to. Have how some things are responded to. Have how some things are responded to. Have you ever done a podcast just dealing you ever done a podcast just dealing you ever done a podcast just dealing with whatever subject and it blew up and with whatever subject and it blew up and with whatever subject and it blew up and became super viral and then something became super viral and then something became super viral and then something else you thought, "Oh, this is going to else you thought, "Oh, this is going to else you thought, "Oh, this is going to be super big and it wasn't as well be super big and it wasn't as well be super big and it wasn't as well responded to."

responded to." responded to." >> Yeah. All the time. All the time. I >> Yeah. All the time. All the time. I >> Yeah. All the time. All the time. I mean, I what I think happens what I mean, I what I think happens what I mean, I what I think happens what I think culturally is happening right now think culturally is happening right now think culturally is happening right now is a lot of people are falling into the is a lot of people are falling into the is a lot of people are falling into the big is bad fallacy. So there's an entire big is bad fallacy. So there's an entire big is bad fallacy. So there's an entire industry of just calling out big things industry of just calling out big things industry of just calling out big things >> like mega church >> like mega church >> like mega church >> mega church bad mega church pastor bad >> mega church bad mega church pastor bad >> mega church bad mega church pastor bad and immediately and immediately and immediately >> yeah and and so I end up defending a lot >> yeah and and so I end up defending a lot >> yeah and and so I end up defending a lot of people and trying to point out to the of people and trying to point out to the of people and trying to point out to the beauty of what they're doing instead of beauty of what they're doing instead of beauty of what they're doing instead of saying hey and and I often think that saying hey and and I often think that saying hey and and I often think that that that that >> the just because something is big >> the just because something is big >> the just because something is big doesn't make it good either but a lot of doesn't make it good either but a lot of doesn't make it good either but a lot of times especially today I think that the times especially today I think that the times especially today I think that the the person gets to decide whether the person gets to decide whether the person gets to decide whether something something something You can't trick people anymore. You You can't trick people anymore. You You can't trick people anymore. You can't market your way into can't market your way into can't market your way into effectiveness. You actually have to have effectiveness. You actually have to have effectiveness. You actually have to have the substance because they'll just move the substance because they'll just move the substance because they'll just move on to the next thing. And so now what on to the next thing. And so now what on to the next thing. And so now what we're seeing is we're seeing a lot of we're seeing is we're seeing a lot of we're seeing is we're seeing a lot of good men, a lot of good pastors that are good men, a lot of good pastors that are good men, a lot of good pastors that are being attacked for silly reasons. And being attacked for silly reasons. And being attacked for silly reasons. And we're not really processing what what we're not really processing what what we're not really processing what what why are we upset about this? And so I'll why are we upset about this? And so I'll why are we upset about this? And so I'll go in and say, "Okay, well, is this a a go in and say, "Okay, well, is this a a go in and say, "Okay, well, is this a a black or white issue or is this a black or white issue or is this a black or white issue or is this a personal conviction?" And and let's deal personal conviction?" And and let's deal personal conviction?" And and let's deal with that. And so I think that's the with that. And so I think that's the with that. And so I think that's the that's that's the heart of what I'm that's that's the heart of what I'm that's that's the heart of what I'm trying to do.

trying to do. trying to do. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> Yeah. It's weird because most, you know, >> Yeah. It's weird because most, you know, >> Yeah. It's weird because most, you know, we p I pastor I pastored for over 50 we p I pastor I pastored for over 50 we p I pastor I pastored for over 50 years and one day in the 80s I got a years and one day in the 80s I got a years and one day in the 80s I got a call from some magazine, Christian call from some magazine, Christian call from some magazine, Christian magazine, oh, as a mega church we wanted magazine, oh, as a mega church we wanted magazine, oh, as a mega church we wanted to interview. I never even heard the to interview. I never even heard the to interview. I never even heard the term before. We never set out to be a term before. We never set out to be a term before. We never set out to be a mega church. And I don't know that most mega church. And I don't know that most mega church. And I don't know that most people who pastor so-called megaurches people who pastor so-called megaurches people who pastor so-called megaurches did. it. To me, it'd be like, well, did. it. To me, it'd be like, well, did. it. To me, it'd be like, well, there's this one restaurant. There's a there's this one restaurant. There's a there's this one restaurant. There's a line around the block. People love to line around the block. People love to line around the block. People love to eat there. And then there's another eat there. And then there's another eat there. And then there's another restaurant that's, you know, has no restaurant that's, you know, has no restaurant that's, you know, has no clientele and they're basically close to clientele and they're basically close to clientele and they're basically close to going out of business. Now, we wouldn't going out of business. Now, we wouldn't going out of business. Now, we wouldn't criticize a restaurant with a line criticize a restaurant with a line criticize a restaurant with a line around the block. Why are we immediately around the block. Why are we immediately around the block. Why are we immediately critical of a church just because it's critical of a church just because it's critical of a church just because it's grown? However, having said that, you grown? However, having said that, you grown? However, having said that, you can grow a church in the wrong way with can grow a church in the wrong way with can grow a church in the wrong way with false teaching. and and and so there false teaching. and and and so there false teaching. and and and so there there is some validity but you have to there is some validity but you have to there is some validity but you have to evaluate it on the basis of of what's evaluate it on the basis of of what's evaluate it on the basis of of what's being preached there what kind of being preached there what kind of being preached there what kind of spiritual fruit you see from there over spiritual fruit you see from there over spiritual fruit you see from there over the years so there's a lot more to it the years so there's a lot more to it the years so there's a lot more to it than just yeah big is bad a than just yeah big is bad a than just yeah big is bad a >> and is the teaching bringing harm to >> and is the teaching bringing harm to >> and is the teaching bringing harm to people because there are teachers and people because there are teachers and people because there are teachers and teachings that I I'm not mad at the teachings that I I'm not mad at the teachings that I I'm not mad at the teacher per se but the culture they're teacher per se but the culture they're teacher per se but the culture they're ex exporting is actually now ex exporting is actually now ex exporting is actually now infiltrating our church and now I'm infiltrating our church and now I'm infiltrating our church and now I'm having to deal with, having to deal with, having to deal with, >> you know, fill in the blank whether it's >> you know, fill in the blank whether it's >> you know, fill in the blank whether it's hyper deliverance and everything is a hyper deliverance and everything is a hyper deliverance and everything is a demon now and so now we got to now we demon now and so now we got to now we demon now and so now we got to now we got to walk you through what it means to got to walk you through what it means to got to walk you through what it means to be saved and and and and so it's like I be saved and and and and so it's like I be saved and and and and so it's like I ha we have to deal with these things on

ha we have to deal with these things on ha we have to deal with these things on the ground or you know the the hyper the ground or you know the the hyper the ground or you know the the hyper charismaniac God told me everything is a charismaniac God told me everything is a charismaniac God told me everything is a prophecy and so when I see these things prophecy and so when I see these things prophecy and so when I see these things being exported this hurts people on the being exported this hurts people on the being exported this hurts people on the ground and and those things do need to ground and and those things do need to ground and and those things do need to be addressed and they do need to be not be addressed and they do need to be not be addressed and they do need to be not not to attack people but to correct bad not to attack people but to correct bad not to attack people but to correct bad teaching. I mean, this is a whole new teaching. I mean, this is a whole new teaching. I mean, this is a whole new medium now where anyone can effectively medium now where anyone can effectively medium now where anyone can effectively have a voice. So, it's good because have a voice. So, it's good because have a voice. So, it's good because anyone can have a voice. It's bad anyone can have a voice. It's bad anyone can have a voice. It's bad because anyone can have a voice. And so, because anyone can have a voice. And so, because anyone can have a voice. And so, it's all out there. But, uh, but you've it's all out there. But, uh, but you've it's all out there. But, uh, but you've encouraged pastors. I heard you say uh encouraged pastors. I heard you say uh encouraged pastors. I heard you say uh today that every pastor should have a today that every pastor should have a today that every pastor should have a podcast. That's right. podcast. That's right. podcast. That's right. >> So, explain that. >> So, explain that. >> So, explain that. >> Yeah. Well, I I think most pastors >> Yeah. Well, I I think most pastors >> Yeah. Well, I I think most pastors already have the material. already have the material. already have the material. >> Yes. Because most pastors are spending >> Yes. Because most pastors are spending >> Yes. Because most pastors are spending hours, you know, sometimes 15, 20 hours hours, you know, sometimes 15, 20 hours hours, you know, sometimes 15, 20 hours a week prepping for their talk on a week prepping for their talk on a week prepping for their talk on Sunday. You're not squeezing everything Sunday. You're not squeezing everything Sunday. You're not squeezing everything you studied for in a 30 to 60 minute you studied for in a 30 to 60 minute you studied for in a 30 to 60 minute talk. So, they already have extra talk. So, they already have extra talk. So, they already have extra material that I wish I could have gotten material that I wish I could have gotten material that I wish I could have gotten to the top. It's okay. So, take your to the top. It's okay. So, take your to the top. It's okay. So, take your church deeper on that thing. You know, church deeper on that thing. You know, church deeper on that thing. You know, take them deeper on the thing I wish I take them deeper on the thing I wish I take them deeper on the thing I wish I could have gone into. Now, they're could have gone into. Now, they're could have gone into. Now, they're getting more time with you um in terms getting more time with you um in terms getting more time with you um in terms of of of >> receiving from you. And it's at scale.

>> receiving from you. And it's at scale. >> receiving from you. And it's at scale. In the same way that Paul utilized In the same way that Paul utilized In the same way that Paul utilized letters that they were sending to letters that they were sending to letters that they were sending to churches, right? Paul wasn't sitting churches, right? Paul wasn't sitting churches, right? Paul wasn't sitting onetoone with every single person. He onetoone with every single person. He onetoone with every single person. He was writing letters many times answering was writing letters many times answering was writing letters many times answering their questions and real concerns they their questions and real concerns they their questions and real concerns they had. And he was using the technology at had. And he was using the technology at had. And he was using the technology at the time. And so to me, I go, "Okay, the time. And so to me, I go, "Okay, the time. And so to me, I go, "Okay, well, you have extra material. well, you have extra material. well, you have extra material. >> Your your congregation needs you. They >> Your your congregation needs you. They >> Your your congregation needs you. They need to hear from you more. need to hear from you more. need to hear from you more. >> And it's not going to take a whole lot >> And it's not going to take a whole lot >> And it's not going to take a whole lot of effort for you to sit down for an of effort for you to sit down for an of effort for you to sit down for an hour or two and just say, "This is hour or two and just say, "This is hour or two and just say, "This is everything I wish I would have said everything I wish I would have said everything I wish I would have said Sunday." And then and then you could Sunday." And then and then you could Sunday." And then and then you could take that and you could say, "Okay, take that and you could say, "Okay, take that and you could say, "Okay, well, there's some things I want to well, there's some things I want to well, there's some things I want to speak into that that's a current event speak into that that's a current event speak into that that's a current event or that's a news story." I think that I or that's a news story." I think that I or that's a news story." I think that I pointed to Josh Howard who's a dear pointed to Josh Howard who's a dear pointed to Josh Howard who's a dear friend of mine, pastors a massive church friend of mine, pastors a massive church friend of mine, pastors a massive church out in Texas and his podcast is out in Texas and his podcast is out in Texas and his podcast is exploding and and a a lot of pastors exploding and and a a lot of pastors exploding and and a a lot of pastors already have the gift of communication. already have the gift of communication. already have the gift of communication. So transitioning to a podcast is not So transitioning to a podcast is not So transitioning to a podcast is not much different than a sermon. You much different than a sermon. You much different than a sermon. You already know how to tell stories, how to already know how to tell stories, how to already know how to tell stories, how to ex execute the text. And so Josh Howard ex execute the text. And so Josh Howard ex execute the text. And so Josh Howard has exploded. Pastor Joby Martin's has exploded. Pastor Joby Martin's has exploded. Pastor Joby Martin's exploded. um Pastor Philip Anthony exploded. um Pastor Philip Anthony exploded. um Pastor Philip Anthony Mitchell have exploded. They all have Mitchell have exploded. They all have Mitchell have exploded. They all have their podcast and it's just getting their podcast and it's just getting their podcast and it's just getting their congregation more time and then their congregation more time and then their congregation more time and then sometimes it goes way beyond their sometimes it goes way beyond their sometimes it goes way beyond their congregation which which I think is also congregation which which I think is also congregation which which I think is also a net positive for the kingdom.

a net positive for the kingdom. a net positive for the kingdom. >> Yeah. What do you think are people are >> Yeah. What do you think are people are >> Yeah. What do you think are people are really you kind of touched on it but are really you kind of touched on it but are really you kind of touched on it but are really hungry for and are really needing really hungry for and are really needing really hungry for and are really needing right now like topics we should be right now like topics we should be right now like topics we should be addressing in the podcasting platform or addressing in the podcasting platform or addressing in the podcasting platform or or other forms of social media. or other forms of social media. or other forms of social media. >> I I think >> I I think >> I I think >> or from the pulpit for that matter. I >> or from the pulpit for that matter. I >> or from the pulpit for that matter. I think a big concern I have is our modern think a big concern I have is our modern think a big concern I have is our modern education system has not done a great education system has not done a great education system has not done a great job of teaching young people how to job of teaching young people how to job of teaching young people how to think. think. think. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> As much as they've been teaching them >> As much as they've been teaching them >> As much as they've been teaching them what to think. what to think. what to think. >> So they're [clears throat] just being >> So they're [clears throat] just being >> So they're [clears throat] just being indoctrinated with critical theory and indoctrinated with critical theory and indoctrinated with critical theory and Marxism and all the and I'm not using Marxism and all the and I'm not using Marxism and all the and I'm not using these like boogie band terms like these these like boogie band terms like these these like boogie band terms like these are real things they're being are real things they're being are real things they're being indoctrinated with. Then they go to indoctrinated with. Then they go to indoctrinated with. Then they go to church and now they're just giving church and now they're just giving church and now they're just giving opposing ideas opposing ideas opposing ideas >> but they're not being taught how to >> but they're not being taught how to >> but they're not being taught how to think, how to process. What is a what is think, how to process. What is a what is think, how to process. What is a what is a logical fallacy? How do you understand a logical fallacy? How do you understand a logical fallacy? How do you understand the reason? How do you deduce what is the reason? How do you deduce what is the reason? How do you deduce what is true out of multiple theories? And so I true out of multiple theories? And so I true out of multiple theories? And so I think if we could help young people think if we could help young people think if we could help young people learn how to think and how to check learn how to think and how to check learn how to think and how to check their own biases. Uh you know the their own biases. Uh you know the their own biases. Uh you know the scriptures talk about uh people floating scriptures talk about uh people floating scriptures talk about uh people floating from the latest teaching and and all from the latest teaching and and all from the latest teaching and and all that sort of stuff. And um my buddy that sort of stuff. And um my buddy that sort of stuff. And um my buddy Matthew was talking about we were just Matthew was talking about we were just Matthew was talking about we were just hanging out earlier and he was talking hanging out earlier and he was talking hanging out earlier and he was talking about how Paul's writing the Corinthians about how Paul's writing the Corinthians about how Paul's writing the Corinthians and he's telling like you're still on and he's telling like you're still on and he's telling like you're still on milk. Yeah.

milk. Yeah. milk. Yeah. >> You're still on milk. You need to get on >> You're still on milk. You need to get on >> You're still on milk. You need to get on meat. You need to go a little deeper. meat. You need to go a little deeper. meat. You need to go a little deeper. And I think that comes as a byproduct of And I think that comes as a byproduct of And I think that comes as a byproduct of teaching people how to think. So I think teaching people how to think. So I think teaching people how to think. So I think how to think I think uh how to think I think uh how to think I think uh >> I wish more and this is going to be >> I wish more and this is going to be >> I wish more and this is going to be controversial. I wish more pastors spoke controversial. I wish more pastors spoke controversial. I wish more pastors spoke about financial literacy and finances about financial literacy and finances about financial literacy and finances more more more >> because I think a lot of young people >> because I think a lot of young people >> because I think a lot of young people are uncertain and they're scared are uncertain and they're scared are uncertain and they're scared >> and they got they got Dave Ramsey. >> and they got they got Dave Ramsey. >> and they got they got Dave Ramsey. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And they got the world >> And they got the world >> And they got the world >> and they got all the po and that and the >> and they got all the po and that and the >> and they got all the po and that and the gambling is up. The the speculation on gambling is up. The the speculation on gambling is up. The the speculation on the they're gambling on the weather now. the they're gambling on the weather now. the they're gambling on the weather now. I know, I know, I know, >> right? And and so I wish we had >> right? And and so I wish we had >> right? And and so I wish we had >> and it's all in your pocket. >> and it's all in your pocket. >> and it's all in your pocket. >> It's all in your pocket. It's in Robin. >> It's all in your pocket. It's in Robin. >> It's all in your pocket. It's in Robin. It's an investment app in Vegas. Now you It's an investment app in Vegas. Now you It's an investment app in Vegas. Now you can literally just pull your phone out. can literally just pull your phone out. can literally just pull your phone out. >> You can bet on the weather. >> You can bet on the weather. >> You can bet on the weather. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It is so weird. And so I wish we had >> It is so weird. And so I wish we had >> It is so weird. And so I wish we had more pastors talking about financial more pastors talking about financial more pastors talking about financial literacy, right? literacy, right? literacy, right? >> Why giving is good for you. >> Why giving is good for you. >> Why giving is good for you. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Why serving is good for you, why having >> Why serving is good for you, why having >> Why serving is good for you, why having a budget is good for you. Uh I think the a budget is good for you. Uh I think the a budget is good for you. Uh I think the Ramsey people are doing an amazing job. Ramsey people are doing an amazing job. Ramsey people are doing an amazing job. I think sometimes pastors avoid those I think sometimes pastors avoid those I think sometimes pastors avoid those topics because they may be afraid that topics because they may be afraid that topics because they may be afraid that they'll be criticized because all the they'll be criticized because all the they'll be criticized because all the church does is talk about money, which church does is talk about money, which church does is talk about money, which isn't true. I mean, maybe there are some isn't true. I mean, maybe there are some isn't true. I mean, maybe there are some churches and all they talk about is churches and all they talk about is churches and all they talk about is money, but by and large, that's not true money, but by and large, that's not true money, but by and large, that's not true of most churches. It's funny how, you of most churches. It's funny how, you of most churches. It's funny how, you know, a person won't think twice about know, a person won't think twice about know, a person won't think twice about paying some huge amount of money to go paying some huge amount of money to go paying some huge amount of money to go to a a movie, uh, a lot more money to go to a a movie, uh, a lot more money to go to a a movie, uh, a lot more money to go to a concert, even a relatively large to a concert, even a relatively large to a concert, even a relatively large amount of money to get a, you know, amount of money to get a, you know, amount of money to get a, you know, cappuccino. But all of a sudden when an cappuccino. But all of a sudden when an cappuccino. But all of a sudden when an offering plate is about what what I have offering plate is about what what I have offering plate is about what what I have to invest in this and and there is to invest in this and and there is to invest in this and and there is there's a blessing in giving. Amen. But there's a blessing in giving. Amen. But there's a blessing in giving. Amen. But but we're there's a responsibility

but we're there's a responsibility but we're there's a responsibility attached to it as well. attached to it as well. attached to it as well. >> Yeah. And and I think to me I think we >> Yeah. And and I think to me I think we >> Yeah. And and I think to me I think we we we we should be leading in that and we we we should be leading in that and we we we should be leading in that and not not afraid. And I've said this not not afraid. And I've said this not not afraid. And I've said this before and I I love call being called before and I I love call being called before and I I love call being called into a church to give the to give the into a church to give the to give the into a church to give the to give the giving talk. I love it because when we giving talk. I love it because when we giving talk. I love it because when we were in debt um were in debt um were in debt um >> we gave and tithe through that >> we gave and tithe through that >> we gave and tithe through that >> consistently. Hey, we gave 10% while we >> consistently. Hey, we gave 10% while we >> consistently. Hey, we gave 10% while we were getting out of debt and it's the were getting out of debt and it's the were getting out of debt and it's the best thing we could have done. And then best thing we could have done. And then best thing we could have done. And then people argue and is it a is it an Old people argue and is it a is it an Old people argue and is it a is it an Old Testament law for the New Testament? Testament law for the New Testament? Testament law for the New Testament? Most of you aren't giving anything. Most of you aren't giving anything. Most of you aren't giving anything. >> That's the point. >> That's the point. >> That's the point. >> I you know I never hear people >> I you know I never hear people >> I you know I never hear people >> it's entry level. >> it's entry level. >> it's entry level. >> I never hear people that are giving 20% >> I never hear people that are giving 20% >> I never hear people that are giving 20% or 30% of their income want to argue or 30% of their income want to argue or 30% of their income want to argue about if it's a law, if it's off the net about if it's a law, if it's off the net about if it's a law, if it's off the net or the gross. It's always the people or the gross. It's always the people or the gross. It's always the people that don't give anything. They got a lot that don't give anything. They got a lot that don't give anything. They got a lot of opinions. And so to me, we've always of opinions. And so to me, we've always of opinions. And so to me, we've always given 10%. I don't think it's a law in given 10%. I don't think it's a law in given 10%. I don't think it's a law in the sense that I don't think it's a law the sense that I don't think it's a law the sense that I don't think it's a law like the Sabbath is a law, but I think like the Sabbath is a law, but I think like the Sabbath is a law, but I think it's a great principle to take rest it's a great principle to take rest it's a great principle to take rest every week. And in the same way, I think every week. And in the same way, I think every week. And in the same way, I think it's a great principle to give at least it's a great principle to give at least it's a great principle to give at least 10% of your income. And there's 10% of your income. And there's 10% of your income. And there's something that happens when I release my something that happens when I release my something that happens when I release my money. And so I I wish again I wish more money. And so I I wish again I wish more money. And so I I wish again I wish more pastors talked about financial literacy, pastors talked about financial literacy, pastors talked about financial literacy, living on a budget, living on less than living on a budget, living on less than living on a budget, living on less than what you make, avoiding debt, avoiding what you make, avoiding debt, avoiding what you make, avoiding debt, avoiding gambling, um having a plan for your gambling, um having a plan for your gambling, um having a plan for your future. Um and and I I think it's future. Um and and I I think it's future. Um and and I I think it's necessary. I think it's needed.

necessary. I think it's needed. necessary. I think it's needed. >> Yeah. So, let's just say I remember when >> Yeah. So, let's just say I remember when >> Yeah. So, let's just say I remember when when Twitter first came out, now called when Twitter first came out, now called when Twitter first came out, now called X and it was controversial. I was at a X and it was controversial. I was at a X and it was controversial. I was at a pastor's conference and there we're pastor's conference and there we're pastor's conference and there we're literally some of these older guys were literally some of these older guys were literally some of these older guys were like, I don't know. We shouldn't go on like, I don't know. We shouldn't go on like, I don't know. We shouldn't go on Twitter. Should we go on Twitter? I'm Twitter. Should we go on Twitter? I'm Twitter. Should we go on Twitter? I'm like, Twitter's like, it's like a like, Twitter's like, it's like a like, Twitter's like, it's like a microphone hooked up to two speakers. microphone hooked up to two speakers. microphone hooked up to two speakers. Should I speak into the microphone? Of Should I speak into the microphone? Of Should I speak into the microphone? Of course you should. Let's imagine for a course you should. Let's imagine for a course you should. Let's imagine for a moment you're going up to a microphone a moment you're going up to a microphone a moment you're going up to a microphone a and you're speaking to an audience of 1 and you're speaking to an audience of 1 and you're speaking to an audience of 1 million Gen Z kids and you've got maybe million Gen Z kids and you've got maybe million Gen Z kids and you've got maybe two or three minutes. Like what do you two or three minutes. Like what do you two or three minutes. Like what do you want to say to them? want to say to them? want to say to them? >> Man, I I'd want to say one, the very >> Man, I I'd want to say one, the very >> Man, I I'd want to say one, the very best thing you can do is to surrender best thing you can do is to surrender best thing you can do is to surrender your life to the lordship of Jesus. your life to the lordship of Jesus. your life to the lordship of Jesus. >> And explain what that means. Well, I I >> And explain what that means. Well, I I >> And explain what that means. Well, I I think a lot of people want Jesus as think a lot of people want Jesus as think a lot of people want Jesus as their savior, as their friend, as their their savior, as their friend, as their their savior, as their friend, as their homeboy, as their buddy, as their pal, homeboy, as their buddy, as their pal, homeboy, as their buddy, as their pal, as their sidekick. as their sidekick. as their sidekick. >> Uh they don't want Jesus as Lord. >> Uh they don't want Jesus as Lord. >> Uh they don't want Jesus as Lord. >> Remember when that hat, Jesus is my >> Remember when that hat, Jesus is my >> Remember when that hat, Jesus is my homeboy, was popular. Yeah. So, they homeboy, was popular. Yeah. So, they homeboy, was popular. Yeah. So, they they need to know about knowing him as they need to know about knowing him as they need to know about knowing him as savior and lord.

savior and lord. savior and lord. >> And lord, and and if someone's lord, if >> And lord, and and if someone's lord, if >> And lord, and and if someone's lord, if someone's king over my life, that means someone's king over my life, that means someone's king over my life, that means that king has dominion. Yeah. that king has dominion. Yeah. that king has dominion. Yeah. >> And and the the paradoxical part is when >> And and the the paradoxical part is when >> And and the the paradoxical part is when I live by the king's ways, it's actually I live by the king's ways, it's actually I live by the king's ways, it's actually in my best interest. and God's ways are in my best interest. and God's ways are in my best interest. and God's ways are good for me. And so I always encourage good for me. And so I always encourage good for me. And so I always encourage people if you want God's will for your people if you want God's will for your people if you want God's will for your life, if you want God's goodness for life, if you want God's goodness for life, if you want God's goodness for your life, you have to get aligned with your life, you have to get aligned with your life, you have to get aligned with God's ways for your life. And you want God's ways for your life. And you want God's ways for your life. And you want to know what God's will is. It's not to know what God's will is. It's not to know what God's will is. It's not always a fork in the road moment. It's always a fork in the road moment. It's always a fork in the road moment. It's often how you go about doing those often how you go about doing those often how you go about doing those boring mundane things that you don't boring mundane things that you don't boring mundane things that you don't want to think about. But if you can if want to think about. But if you can if want to think about. But if you can if you can extract God's ways for your you can extract God's ways for your you can extract God's ways for your life, you'll always be in God's will. life, you'll always be in God's will. life, you'll always be in God's will. How do we get to God's ways? We get in How do we get to God's ways? We get in How do we get to God's ways? We get in God's word. So I think that's one of the God's word. So I think that's one of the God's word. So I think that's one of the best things you could do is get in God's best things you could do is get in God's best things you could do is get in God's word. I am astonished by the amount of word. I am astonished by the amount of word. I am astonished by the amount of people that claim to be Christian, have people that claim to be Christian, have people that claim to be Christian, have never read the Bible cover to cover. Um, never read the Bible cover to cover. Um, never read the Bible cover to cover. Um, I am doing a currently a reading plan I am doing a currently a reading plan I am doing a currently a reading plan that I design Monday through Friday. Old that I design Monday through Friday. Old that I design Monday through Friday. Old Testament, New Testament, Psalm and Testament, New Testament, Psalm and Testament, New Testament, Psalm and Proverb, two-year plan. I do it every Proverb, two-year plan. I do it every Proverb, two-year plan. I do it every morning. It's I mean, sometimes I'll go morning. It's I mean, sometimes I'll go morning. It's I mean, sometimes I'll go deeper. deeper. deeper. >> How long will it take you to go through >> How long will it take you to go through >> How long will it take you to go through a day's reading? a day's reading? a day's reading? >> Uh, seven minutes. >> Uh, seven minutes. >> Uh, seven minutes. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Seven minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And so, seven >> Seven minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And so, seven >> Seven minutes. Yeah. Yeah. And so, seven minutes. And then often I'll go deeper.

minutes. And then often I'll go deeper. minutes. And then often I'll go deeper. I'll want to jump in the Greek. I'll I'll want to jump in the Greek. I'll I'll want to jump in the Greek. I'll pull up the Google I'm sorry, the Logos pull up the Google I'm sorry, the Logos pull up the Google I'm sorry, the Logos um study app. I'll I'll sometimes I'll um study app. I'll I'll sometimes I'll um study app. I'll I'll sometimes I'll throw it on while I'm on Facebook. throw it on while I'm on Facebook. throw it on while I'm on Facebook. >> So, for people that don't know, Logos >> So, for people that don't know, Logos >> So, for people that don't know, Logos has an amazing has an amazing has an amazing >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> app you can download. >> app you can download. >> app you can download. >> Yeah. And Logos used to just be for >> Yeah. And Logos used to just be for >> Yeah. And Logos used to just be for pastors. Like 10 years ago, it was it pastors. Like 10 years ago, it was it pastors. Like 10 years ago, it was it was only for pastors. Now, it's I think was only for pastors. Now, it's I think was only for pastors. Now, it's I think my plan is 15 bucks a month. And and my plan is 15 bucks a month. And and my plan is 15 bucks a month. And and there's also something to, you know, there's also something to, you know, there's also something to, you know, when you pay, you pay attention. When when you pay, you pay attention. When when you pay, you pay attention. When you pay a little something, you pay you pay a little something, you pay you pay a little something, you pay attention. So, I'm a big advocate for attention. So, I'm a big advocate for attention. So, I'm a big advocate for logos. So, yeah, I think carving out logos. So, yeah, I think carving out logos. So, yeah, I think carving out time to get in the word, carving out time to get in the word, carving out time to get in the word, carving out time to to to to pray. I think prayer is time to to to to pray. I think prayer is time to to to to pray. I think prayer is huge. Um I'm a big advocate of prayer huge. Um I'm a big advocate of prayer huge. Um I'm a big advocate of prayer journaling. So, I like writing out journaling. So, I like writing out journaling. So, I like writing out prayers. Um, we forget and we need to be prayers. Um, we forget and we need to be prayers. Um, we forget and we need to be reminded often way more than we need to reminded often way more than we need to reminded often way more than we need to be taught be taught be taught >> of the faithfulness of the Lord. >> of the faithfulness of the Lord. >> of the faithfulness of the Lord. >> Of the faithfulness of the Lord. How >> Of the faithfulness of the Lord. How >> Of the faithfulness of the Lord. How he's already answered your prayers. he's already answered your prayers. he's already answered your prayers. >> How he already answered your prayers. >> How he already answered your prayers. >> How he already answered your prayers. >> Yeah. So, I love prayer journaling. >> Yeah. So, I love prayer journaling. >> Yeah. So, I love prayer journaling. Starting with praise reports, then Starting with praise reports, then Starting with praise reports, then praying for other people. praying for other people. praying for other people. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Then praying for yourself and you know, >> Then praying for yourself and you know, >> Then praying for yourself and you know, that's where you would confess some sins that's where you would confess some sins that's where you would confess some sins and then reflecting on what God is and then reflecting on what God is and then reflecting on what God is doing, teaching you through the word. doing, teaching you through the word. doing, teaching you through the word. Um, and then I would say lastly, like Um, and then I would say lastly, like Um, and then I would say lastly, like become useful. Become useful. Become become useful. Become useful. Become become useful. Become useful. Become useful to your current employer. What useful to your current employer. What useful to your current employer. What skills do you have? What skills can you skills do you have? What skills can you skills do you have? What skills can you build on top of? Um become useful and build on top of? Um become useful and build on top of? Um become useful and faithful to right where you are. Because faithful to right where you are. Because faithful to right where you are. Because often it's being faithful in the little often it's being faithful in the little often it's being faithful in the little things that'll lead you to the next things that'll lead you to the next things that'll lead you to the next seat.

seat. seat. >> And so many of the parables of Jesus >> And so many of the parables of Jesus >> And so many of the parables of Jesus that was so amplified, you know, that was so amplified, you know, that was so amplified, you know, personal responsibility and you are personal responsibility and you are personal responsibility and you are awarded according to your faithfulness awarded according to your faithfulness awarded according to your faithfulness and with taking that responsibility like and with taking that responsibility like and with taking that responsibility like the par parable of the of the talents the par parable of the of the talents the par parable of the of the talents and so so forth and and then there's a and so so forth and and then there's a and so so forth and and then there's a multiply blessing and response. So multiply blessing and response. So multiply blessing and response. So >> yep. And and I would say lastly to Jenz, >> yep. And and I would say lastly to Jenz, >> yep. And and I would say lastly to Jenz, like man, like man, like man, >> your great great grandparents would >> your great great grandparents would >> your great great grandparents would trade places with you in a heartbeat. trade places with you in a heartbeat. trade places with you in a heartbeat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> To live the life that you live with all >> To live the life that you live with all >> To live the life that you live with all of our unique challenges and the economy of our unique challenges and the economy of our unique challenges and the economy and the cost of like all of that is and the cost of like all of that is and the cost of like all of that is fair, but they would trade places with fair, but they would trade places with fair, but they would trade places with you in a heartbeat to be here and now. you in a heartbeat to be here and now. you in a heartbeat to be here and now. And I would also say when when you're And I would also say when when you're And I would also say when when you're reading the scriptures, remember of the reading the scriptures, remember of the reading the scriptures, remember of the freedom that we have in our context to freedom that we have in our context to freedom that we have in our context to share our faith, of the freedom that we share our faith, of the freedom that we share our faith, of the freedom that we have to build businesses and build have to build businesses and build have to build businesses and build ministries and build nonprofits and do ministries and build nonprofits and do ministries and build nonprofits and do good and help people. Um, we have such a good and help people. Um, we have such a good and help people. Um, we have such a huge opportunity to do good. And I would huge opportunity to do good. And I would huge opportunity to do good. And I would hate for us to squander it because we're hate for us to squander it because we're hate for us to squander it because we're obsessed about the latest controversy or obsessed about the latest controversy or obsessed about the latest controversy or the latest conspiracy theory or the the latest conspiracy theory or the the latest conspiracy theory or the latest latest latest >> e economic uncertainty and the political >> e economic uncertainty and the political >> e economic uncertainty and the political state of the world. And it's like, man, state of the world. And it's like, man, state of the world. And it's like, man, look at the opportunity we all have.

look at the opportunity we all have. look at the opportunity we all have. That's right. Yeah, that those are great That's right. Yeah, that those are great That's right. Yeah, that those are great words. Uh just kind of a quick lightning words. Uh just kind of a quick lightning words. Uh just kind of a quick lightning round of of more mundane things. Uh so round of of more mundane things. Uh so round of of more mundane things. Uh so like when Rouslan's hungry, what's your like when Rouslan's hungry, what's your like when Rouslan's hungry, what's your favorite food to have? Is it Pizza Hut? favorite food to have? Is it Pizza Hut? favorite food to have? Is it Pizza Hut? Pizza. Pizza. Pizza. >> No, I can't eat Pizza Hut no more. No, >> No, I can't eat Pizza Hut no more. No, >> No, I can't eat Pizza Hut no more. No, no, no. I uh I'm a very simple guy. I'm no, no. I uh I'm a very simple guy. I'm no, no. I uh I'm a very simple guy. I'm a I'm a chicken sweet potato guy now. Oh a I'm a chicken sweet potato guy now. Oh a I'm a chicken sweet potato guy now. Oh yeah. yeah. yeah. >> Yeah. And fruit. Yeah. >> Yeah. And fruit. Yeah. >> Yeah. And fruit. Yeah. >> Yeah. So when you go to a co Do you like >> Yeah. So when you go to a co Do you like >> Yeah. So when you go to a co Do you like coffee? coffee? coffee? >> I'm a I'm a tea guy. >> I'm a I'm a tea guy. >> I'm a I'm a tea guy. >> Wow. You know, Michael W. Smith said >> Wow. You know, Michael W. Smith said >> Wow. You know, Michael W. Smith said that to me. Yeah, it that to me. Yeah, it that to me. Yeah, it >> was very disappointing, too. >> was very disappointing, too. >> was very disappointing, too. >> Yeah, I like disappointed in you. No, >> Yeah, I like disappointed in you. No, >> Yeah, I like disappointed in you. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. >> I like Yerba Mate. >> I like Yerba Mate. >> I like Yerba Mate. >> Are we talking matcha, though? >> Are we talking matcha, though? >> Are we talking matcha, though? >> I I like matcha. I like mate. So, yerba >> I I like matcha. I like mate. So, yerba >> I I like matcha. I like mate. So, yerba mate from South America. That's my jam. mate from South America. That's my jam. mate from South America. That's my jam. >> I don't know what that is. >> I don't know what that is. >> I don't know what that is. >> Okay, we're going to get you hip. >> Okay, we're going to get you hip. >> Okay, we're going to get you hip. >> Yeah, a friend of mine got me going on >> Yeah, a friend of mine got me going on >> Yeah, a friend of mine got me going on matcha. And uh so I have a cappuccino in matcha. And uh so I have a cappuccino in matcha. And uh so I have a cappuccino in the morning. Then after I eat lunch, I the morning. Then after I eat lunch, I the morning. Then after I eat lunch, I have a iced matcha. And the cool thing have a iced matcha. And the cool thing have a iced matcha. And the cool thing is it's an antioxidant and the caffeine is it's an antioxidant and the caffeine is it's an antioxidant and the caffeine is released slower. So you don't get the is released slower. So you don't get the is released slower. So you don't get the immediate boom, you know, but it but immediate boom, you know, but it but immediate boom, you know, but it but it's a nice slow caffeine release and it's a nice slow caffeine release and it's a nice slow caffeine release and but it has to be done right because but it has to be done right because but it has to be done right because matcha can taste really weird. Yes.

matcha can taste really weird. Yes. matcha can taste really weird. Yes. >> If it's not done right, but I found a >> If it's not done right, but I found a >> If it's not done right, but I found a guy, he has a place called Moonongo guy, he has a place called Moonongo guy, he has a place called Moonongo Coffee. They're in Orange County. Little Coffee. They're in Orange County. Little Coffee. They're in Orange County. Little commercial for him. He he nails the ice commercial for him. He he nails the ice commercial for him. He he nails the ice matcha. matcha. matcha. >> Yeah. My son loves matcha. So mate is >> Yeah. My son loves matcha. So mate is >> Yeah. My son loves matcha. So mate is similar in that it's it's less of a similar in that it's it's less of a similar in that it's it's less of a spike and it's less of a crash. It's spike and it's less of a crash. It's spike and it's less of a crash. It's more of an arc. more of an arc. more of an arc. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So for deep work, it's it's perfect. >> So for deep work, it's it's perfect. >> So for deep work, it's it's perfect. >> So who's your favorite like band of all >> So who's your favorite like band of all >> So who's your favorite like band of all time? Oo, band of all time. time? Oo, band of all time. time? Oo, band of all time. >> Or or me artist, single artist. >> Or or me artist, single artist. >> Or or me artist, single artist. >> I am a big fan of Fred Hammond. >> I am a big fan of Fred Hammond. >> I am a big fan of Fred Hammond. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Gospel Worship. That like if I'm jamming >> Gospel Worship. That like if I'm jamming >> Gospel Worship. That like if I'm jamming anything, it's probably going to be Fred anything, it's probably going to be Fred anything, it's probably going to be Fred Hammond. Hammond. Hammond. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then I listen to a lot of my >> And then I listen to a lot of my >> And then I listen to a lot of my friends. I listen to Indie Tribe. I friends. I listen to Indie Tribe. I friends. I listen to Indie Tribe. I listen to Forest Frank. I listen to listen to Forest Frank. I listen to listen to Forest Frank. I listen to Jake. I listen to um a lot of my whole Jake. I listen to um a lot of my whole Jake. I listen to um a lot of my whole >> Does Fred play guitar, too? >> Does Fred play guitar, too? >> Does Fred play guitar, too? >> Fred plays uh bass. >> Fred plays uh bass. >> Fred plays uh bass. >> Bass? >> Bass? >> Bass? >> Yeah. Sorry. Did you say Frank? >> Yeah. Sorry. Did you say Frank? >> Yeah. Sorry. Did you say Frank? >> No, I was think it's Fred Hammond. >> No, I was think it's Fred Hammond. >> No, I was think it's Fred Hammond. >> Fred Hammond. Yes. He plays bass. >> Fred Hammond. Yes. He plays bass. >> Fred Hammond. Yes. He plays bass. >> Yeah. Okay. Right. Good. I don't know >> Yeah. Okay. Right. Good. I don't know >> Yeah. Okay. Right. Good. I don't know that I've ever heard his music. that I've ever heard his music. that I've ever heard his music. >> His music is great. Yeah. It's like '90s >> His music is great. Yeah. It's like '90s >> His music is great. Yeah. It's like '90s gospel music. I love gospel music. I love gospel music. I love >> it. >> it. >> it. >> Wow. That's cool. Um what like movies >> Wow. That's cool. Um what like movies >> Wow. That's cool. Um what like movies like what are your top three movies?

like what are your top three movies? like what are your top three movies? >> Oh gosh. So I'm into whatever my kids >> Oh gosh. So I'm into whatever my kids >> Oh gosh. So I'm into whatever my kids are into right now. So we're big on the are into right now. So we're big on the are into right now. So we're big on the Marvel universe. So yeah, Marvel universe. So yeah, Marvel universe. So yeah, >> Spider-Man and Star Wars. That's that's >> Spider-Man and Star Wars. That's that's >> Spider-Man and Star Wars. That's that's where we're living right now. My where we're living right now. My where we're living right now. My favorite movies um I loved Inception. favorite movies um I loved Inception. favorite movies um I loved Inception. >> I thought that was a great movie. >> I thought that was a great movie. >> I thought that was a great movie. >> I don't know if I ever fully understood >> I don't know if I ever fully understood >> I don't know if I ever fully understood that one. that one. that one. >> That's a great movie. about going into >> That's a great movie. about going into >> That's a great movie. about going into dreams. Christopher Nolan Christopher. dreams. Christopher Nolan Christopher. dreams. Christopher Nolan Christopher. >> Did you see the Odyssey? >> Did you see the Odyssey? >> Did you see the Odyssey? >> I have not seen the Odyssey yet. >> I have not seen the Odyssey yet. >> I have not seen the Odyssey yet. >> It's pretty good. >> It's pretty good. >> It's pretty good. >> I heard it was good. >> I heard it was good. >> I heard it was good. >> I mean, there was so much criticism >> I mean, there was so much criticism >> I mean, there was so much criticism about, you know, the casting. about, you know, the casting. about, you know, the casting. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> And and and frankly, when you watch the >> And and and frankly, when you watch the >> And and and frankly, when you watch the movie, it Yeah. No, that that was movie, it Yeah. No, that that was movie, it Yeah. No, that that was especially uh I'm forgetting the actor's especially uh I'm forgetting the actor's especially uh I'm forgetting the actor's name, actress's name that uh name, actress's name that uh name, actress's name that uh >> Elliot Paige. >> Elliot Paige. >> Elliot Paige. >> Yeah. Elliot Page. Why? Why'd you do >> Yeah. Elliot Page. Why? Why'd you do >> Yeah. Elliot Page. Why? Why'd you do this? But apart from that, it was this? But apart from that, it was this? But apart from that, it was actually a pretty interesting film. And actually a pretty interesting film. And actually a pretty interesting film. And I even saw sort of a a good spiritual I even saw sort of a a good spiritual I even saw sort of a a good spiritual message. You know, it's a story of message. You know, it's a story of message. You know, it's a story of Odysius trying to make his way home. Odysius trying to make his way home. Odysius trying to make his way home. Yeah. And all the obstacles he has to Yeah. And all the obstacles he has to Yeah. And all the obstacles he has to overcome and the various Greek gods he overcome and the various Greek gods he overcome and the various Greek gods he has to face off with. And to me, it was has to face off with. And to me, it was has to face off with. And to me, it was a message of, you know, returning home, a message of, you know, returning home, a message of, you know, returning home, home to God, home to what is true. But, home to God, home to what is true. But, home to God, home to what is true. But, but I enjoyed it. I It was an hour too but I enjoyed it. I It was an hour too but I enjoyed it. I It was an hour too long for me.

long for me. long for me. >> Yeah, Spider-Man was similar. It was It >> Yeah, Spider-Man was similar. It was It >> Yeah, Spider-Man was similar. It was It was like a really good seen. was like a really good seen. was like a really good seen. >> I think you'll like I think it's weird >> I think you'll like I think it's weird >> I think you'll like I think it's weird that major blockbuster movies are having that major blockbuster movies are having that major blockbuster movies are having these kind of biblical undertones to these kind of biblical undertones to these kind of biblical undertones to them and these them and these them and these >> it's interesting how Christian films and >> it's interesting how Christian films and >> it's interesting how Christian films and and series like the house of David and and series like the house of David and and series like the house of David and the chosen the chosen the chosen >> I mean and really the quality of >> I mean and really the quality of >> I mean and really the quality of Christian film making has increased Christian film making has increased Christian film making has increased dramatically dramatically dramatically >> and uh you know I know you've >> and uh you know I know you've >> and uh you know I know you've interviewed John Irwin right the best interviewed John Irwin right the best interviewed John Irwin right the best and John when John is you know he's on and John when John is you know he's on and John when John is you know he's on the cutting edge his brother Andy really the cutting edge his brother Andy really the cutting edge his brother Andy really talented over there at kingdom they used talented over there at kingdom they used talented over there at kingdom they used to do more together but now they're both to do more together but now they're both to do more together but now they're both in separate projects and uh you know in separate projects and uh you know in separate projects and uh you know with all the films they've done and and with all the films they've done and and with all the films they've done and and of course Dallas Jenkins with the chosen of course Dallas Jenkins with the chosen of course Dallas Jenkins with the chosen now Mel Gibson's got you know uh sequels now Mel Gibson's got you know uh sequels now Mel Gibson's got you know uh sequels to the passion coming out. So I mean I to the passion coming out. So I mean I to the passion coming out. So I mean I love this cuz it's a great way to reach love this cuz it's a great way to reach love this cuz it's a great way to reach people. It can open their heart up for people. It can open their heart up for people. It can open their heart up for the preaching of the gospel. the preaching of the gospel. the preaching of the gospel. >> Well I what I also love about John is >> Well I what I also love about John is >> Well I what I also love about John is he's he really is on the cutting edge of he's he really is on the cutting edge of he's he really is on the cutting edge of the tech and so he's not afraid of the tech and so he's not afraid of the tech and so he's not afraid of technology. He's leaning in. He's technology. He's leaning in. He's technology. He's leaning in. He's charging it. charging it. charging it. >> He's actually doing stuff no one else is >> He's actually doing stuff no one else is >> He's actually doing stuff no one else is doing right now.

doing right now. doing right now. >> Yeah. He's using AI and other things >> Yeah. He's using AI and other things >> Yeah. He's using AI and other things kind of like what they've done with kind of like what they've done with kind of like what they've done with Mandalorian, but he's taking it to the Mandalorian, but he's taking it to the Mandalorian, but he's taking it to the next level in a in an amazing way. next level in a in an amazing way. next level in a in an amazing way. >> Yeah, he's he's doing great. So, I think >> Yeah, he's he's doing great. So, I think >> Yeah, he's he's doing great. So, I think what what Hollywood is noticing, I what what Hollywood is noticing, I what what Hollywood is noticing, I think, is some of the shift that's think, is some of the shift that's think, is some of the shift that's happening. They're starting to see it. happening. They're starting to see it. happening. They're starting to see it. They're making investments. And so, They're making investments. And so, They're making investments. And so, yeah, I'm I'm a big proponent of yeah, I'm I'm a big proponent of yeah, I'm I'm a big proponent of everything they're doing. I I love The everything they're doing. I I love The everything they're doing. I I love The Chosen. I love House of David. We watch Chosen. I love House of David. We watch Chosen. I love House of David. We watch those regularly. Uh Momentto is a really those regularly. Uh Momentto is a really those regularly. Uh Momentto is a really good movie. I don't know if anybody's good movie. I don't know if anybody's good movie. I don't know if anybody's ever seen that. Haven't seen that for a ever seen that. Haven't seen that for a ever seen that. Haven't seen that for a long time. That's I think Christopher long time. That's I think Christopher long time. That's I think Christopher Nolan's first breakout. Nolan's first breakout. Nolan's first breakout. >> So, you're a big Christopher Nolan? I >> So, you're a big Christopher Nolan? I >> So, you're a big Christopher Nolan? I love Christopher and and you could see love Christopher and and you could see love Christopher and and you could see some of his worldview sneak in. I think some of his worldview sneak in. I think some of his worldview sneak in. I think he grew up Catholic, so you could see he grew up Catholic, so you could see he grew up Catholic, so you could see some of these themes. I'm not going to some of these themes. I'm not going to some of these themes. I'm not going to say they're biblical themes in the say they're biblical themes in the say they're biblical themes in the movies, but there's definitely Christian movies, but there's definitely Christian movies, but there's definitely Christian worldview things sneaking in there. worldview things sneaking in there. worldview things sneaking in there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, Rousan, >> Yeah. So, Rousan, >> Yeah. So, Rousan, like are there go-to scriptures that you like are there go-to scriptures that you like are there go-to scriptures that you find yourself turning to over and over find yourself turning to over and over find yourself turning to over and over again? Like maybe when you're stressed again? Like maybe when you're stressed again? Like maybe when you're stressed out about something, uncertain about out about something, uncertain about out about something, uncertain about your future, uh like these are verses I your future, uh like these are verses I your future, uh like these are verses I go to and I remind myself of. Yeah. go to and I remind myself of. Yeah. go to and I remind myself of. Yeah. Oddly enough, the ver the first verse I Oddly enough, the ver the first verse I Oddly enough, the ver the first verse I memorize is often a verse I go back to.

memorize is often a verse I go back to. memorize is often a verse I go back to. What is it? It's Matthew 7:7. Ask and it What is it? It's Matthew 7:7. Ask and it What is it? It's Matthew 7:7. Ask and it will be given. will be given. will be given. >> Seek and you will find. Knock and the >> Seek and you will find. Knock and the >> Seek and you will find. Knock and the door will be open. And that's in the door will be open. And that's in the door will be open. And that's in the context of prayer. context of prayer. context of prayer. >> So, I just preached this message on the >> So, I just preached this message on the >> So, I just preached this message on the paradox of prayer and how does our paradox of prayer and how does our paradox of prayer and how does our prayers work with God's sovereignty. I prayers work with God's sovereignty. I prayers work with God's sovereignty. I just said that stuff's above my pay just said that stuff's above my pay just said that stuff's above my pay grade. But what I do know is I'm called grade. But what I do know is I'm called grade. But what I do know is I'm called to pray to God. I'm pray called to to pray to God. I'm pray called to to pray to God. I'm pray called to commune with God. Called to pray for commune with God. Called to pray for commune with God. Called to pray for other people. And I often find myself other people. And I often find myself other people. And I often find myself just going back to that Matthew 7:7. just going back to that Matthew 7:7. just going back to that Matthew 7:7. >> That's great. And there's an ascending >> That's great. And there's an ascending >> That's great. And there's an ascending intensity uh to the words that are used. intensity uh to the words that are used. intensity uh to the words that are used. Ask, seek, knock. It gets a little more Ask, seek, knock. It gets a little more Ask, seek, knock. It gets a little more aggressive. And of course, it's aggressive. And of course, it's aggressive. And of course, it's something you do continuously, something you do continuously, something you do continuously, >> you know, because sometimes we pray >> you know, because sometimes we pray >> you know, because sometimes we pray about things and we don't get an answer about things and we don't get an answer about things and we don't get an answer or we don't like the answer we get, or we don't like the answer we get, or we don't like the answer we get, which is basically no or wait. which is basically no or wait. which is basically no or wait. >> But that doesn't mean we should stop >> But that doesn't mean we should stop >> But that doesn't mean we should stop praying. You know, Paul had a stone in praying. You know, Paul had a stone in praying. You know, Paul had a stone in the flesh. We don't know what it was the flesh. We don't know what it was the flesh. We don't know what it was exactly. Three times he asked the Lord exactly. Three times he asked the Lord exactly. Three times he asked the Lord to take it away. But there are other to take it away. But there are other to take it away. But there are other times you pray and you pray like you times you pray and you pray like you times you pray and you pray like you know I love Acts 12 where uh James was know I love Acts 12 where uh James was know I love Acts 12 where uh James was killed, Peter was put in prison and we killed, Peter was put in prison and we killed, Peter was put in prison and we read constant prayer was offered for him read constant prayer was offered for him read constant prayer was offered for him to God by the church and it was like to God by the church and it was like to God by the church and it was like boom the prayer was answered. In fact boom the prayer was answered. In fact boom the prayer was answered. In fact the prayer was answered so quickly that the prayer was answered so quickly that the prayer was answered so quickly that when Peter showed up at the house of the when Peter showed up at the house of the when Peter showed up at the house of the place where the people were praying and place where the people were praying and place where the people were praying and a girl named Roa answers the door, she a girl named Roa answers the door, she a girl named Roa answers the door, she can't believe it's Peter. Like what? You can't believe it's Peter. Like what? You can't believe it's Peter. Like what? You know, so sometimes the Lord will take know, so sometimes the Lord will take know, so sometimes the Lord will take his sweet time because he has his timing his sweet time because he has his timing his sweet time because he has his timing and other times boom, just you have not and other times boom, just you have not and other times boom, just you have not because you ask not.

because you ask not. because you ask not. >> That's right. And then James talks about >> That's right. And then James talks about >> That's right. And then James talks about sometimes we ask with with bad motives, sometimes we ask with with bad motives, sometimes we ask with with bad motives, you know. So the motives of the heart I you know. So the motives of the heart I you know. So the motives of the heart I think is huge. So the motives, the think is huge. So the motives, the think is huge. So the motives, the prayer, the asking and then I love this prayer, the asking and then I love this prayer, the asking and then I love this quote. They they quote it to Augustine. quote. They they quote it to Augustine. quote. They they quote it to Augustine. I don't think it's an Augustine quote, I don't think it's an Augustine quote, I don't think it's an Augustine quote, but it's um but it's um but it's um >> pray like it all depends on God and work >> pray like it all depends on God and work >> pray like it all depends on God and work like it all depends on you. And so I like it all depends on you. And so I like it all depends on you. And so I think when we when we're waiting, think when we when we're waiting, think when we when we're waiting, usually there's some work that we need usually there's some work that we need usually there's some work that we need to be doing in the process. That's okay. to be doing in the process. That's okay. to be doing in the process. That's okay. >> Well, thanks so much for your time. It's >> Well, thanks so much for your time. It's >> Well, thanks so much for your time. It's great being with you, great being with you, great being with you, >> Pastor Greg. Thank you so much. This is >> Pastor Greg. Thank you so much. This is >> Pastor Greg. Thank you so much. This is a this is a huge blessing. a this is a huge blessing. a this is a huge blessing. >> Thanks. Hey, [music] thanks for joining >> Thanks. Hey, [music] thanks for joining >> Thanks. Hey, [music] thanks for joining me today. Subscribe to my YouTube me today. Subscribe to my YouTube me today. Subscribe to my YouTube channel, follow me on social media, and channel, follow me on social media, and channel, follow me on social media, and be sure to download the Harvest Plus be sure to download the Harvest Plus be sure to download the Harvest Plus app, where you will find exclusive app, where you will find exclusive app, where you will find exclusive content just for you. See you next time. content just for you. See you next time. content just for you. See you next time. [music]