I Hit Rock bottom, Then This Happened | Greg Laurie & Michael W. Smith

And I go down and I park on the corner. And I go down and I park on the corner. All these kids are cruising and I hear All these kids are cruising and I hear All these kids are cruising and I hear the voice of God. I don't say it very the voice of God. I don't say it very the voice of God. I don't say it very often. Like it's almost an audible often. Like it's almost an audible often. Like it's almost an audible thing. Build it and they'll come. I went thing. Build it and they'll come. I went thing. Build it and they'll come. I went that's the Kevin Cosner movie. >> So, I'm here with my friend Michael W. >> So, I'm here with my friend Michael W. Smith. Really a true legend. He has had Smith. Really a true legend. He has had Smith. Really a true legend. He has had a 40-year career. He's been nominated a 40-year career. He's been nominated a 40-year career. He's been nominated for Grammys 15 times. Is that right? 15, for Grammys 15 times. Is that right? 15, for Grammys 15 times. Is that right? 15, >> I think. I don't know. >> I think. I don't know. >> I think. I don't know. >> Okay. And won four times. Is that right? >> Okay. And won four times. Is that right? >> Okay. And won four times. Is that right? >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. Is that all? Come on, man. Three Is that all? Come on, man. Three Is that all? Come on, man. Three Grammys. 40 Dove awards. Does that sound Grammys. 40 Dove awards. Does that sound Grammys. 40 Dove awards. Does that sound right? right? right? 18 million. This is just designed to 18 million. This is just designed to 18 million. This is just designed to embarrass [laughter] you. 18 million embarrass [laughter] you. 18 million embarrass [laughter] you. 18 million albums sold, more than 36 number one albums sold, more than 36 number one albums sold, more than 36 number one songs on the radio. But the best thing songs on the radio. But the best thing songs on the radio. But the best thing about Michael W. Smith is he has given about Michael W. Smith is he has given about Michael W. Smith is he has given his gift to God. And he glorifies the his gift to God. And he glorifies the his gift to God. And he glorifies the Lord with his life, with his music, with Lord with his life, with his music, with Lord with his life, with his music, with all that the Lord has given. Well, all that the Lord has given. Well, all that the Lord has given. Well, Michael, thanks for being here.

Michael, thanks for being here. Michael, thanks for being here. >> You're welcome, sir. It's an honor. You >> You're welcome, sir. It's an honor. You >> You're welcome, sir. It's an honor. You just got off a plane and here you are just got off a plane and here you are just got off a plane and here you are respendant in white as I am dressed in respendant in white as I am dressed in respendant in white as I am dressed in black. black. black. >> I usually don't do the white, but I just >> I usually don't do the white, but I just >> I usually don't do the white, but I just for some reason that's for some reason that's for some reason that's >> Well, you know, you got to be you got to >> Well, you know, you got to be you got to >> Well, you know, you got to be you got to be thin to pull off white. I can't be thin to pull off white. I can't be thin to pull off white. I can't remember the last time I wore [laughter] remember the last time I wore [laughter] remember the last time I wore [laughter] all white. all white. all white. >> Well, that's why I usually wear black. >> Well, that's why I usually wear black. >> Well, that's why I usually wear black. >> I don't think you need to. You know, I >> I don't think you need to. You know, I >> I don't think you need to. You know, I was thinking about uh how you first were was thinking about uh how you first were was thinking about uh how you first were introduced to Christian music in introduced to Christian music in introduced to Christian music in particular. I saw you talk about it. You particular. I saw you talk about it. You particular. I saw you talk about it. You went to some little bookstore and you went to some little bookstore and you went to some little bookstore and you saw, we call it Marinath the one, but it saw, we call it Marinath the one, but it saw, we call it Marinath the one, but it was called the everlasting living was called the everlasting living was called the everlasting living >> Jesus music concert. >> Jesus music concert. >> Jesus music concert. >> Very unusual title. Yes. >> Very unusual title. Yes. >> Very unusual title. Yes. >> And uh, of course, I was there at >> And uh, of course, I was there at >> And uh, of course, I was there at Calvary Chapel and watching those bands Calvary Chapel and watching those bands Calvary Chapel and watching those bands >> live, you know, and then that album came >> live, you know, and then that album came >> live, you know, and then that album came out. And so you were, what state were out. And so you were, what state were out. And so you were, what state were you in when you saw that? you in when you saw that? you in when you saw that? >> I was 13. >> I was 13. >> I was 13. >> 13. >> 13. >> 13. >> I was writing songs. I was still playing >> I was writing songs. I was still playing >> I was writing songs. I was still playing baseball and wanted to be a professional baseball and wanted to be a professional baseball and wanted to be a professional baseball player, but I kept writing baseball player, but I kept writing baseball player, but I kept writing songs. songs. songs. >> Yeah. And I was buying all the Elton >> Yeah. And I was buying all the Elton >> Yeah. And I was buying all the Elton John and the Beatles and Angel and and John and the Beatles and Angel and and John and the Beatles and Angel and and so music was sort of starting to really so music was sort of starting to really so music was sort of starting to really take the hold of me because I kept take the hold of me because I kept take the hold of me because I kept thinking maybe this is what I'm supposed thinking maybe this is what I'm supposed thinking maybe this is what I'm supposed to do.

to do. to do. >> And then at 13 I walked in that store >> And then at 13 I walked in that store >> And then at 13 I walked in that store looking for a Beatles record. looking for a Beatles record. looking for a Beatles record. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And >> And >> And >> what was your favorite Beatles record? >> what was your favorite Beatles record? >> what was your favorite Beatles record? >> Oh gosh, that's a hard one. Um Hard Days >> Oh gosh, that's a hard one. Um Hard Days >> Oh gosh, that's a hard one. Um Hard Days Night maybe. I mean I love I think it Night maybe. I mean I love I think it Night maybe. I mean I love I think it was the beginning. I remember going to was the beginning. I remember going to was the beginning. I remember going to Davidson's record shop and buying the Davidson's record shop and buying the Davidson's record shop and buying the 45. I still have it 45. I still have it 45. I still have it >> thanks to my mom and dad. Wow. >> thanks to my mom and dad. Wow. >> thanks to my mom and dad. Wow. >> I want to hold your hand. >> I want to hold your hand. >> I want to hold your hand. >> And I saw her standing there. I had both >> And I saw her standing there. I had both >> And I saw her standing there. I had both those singles still. those singles still. those singles still. >> Those are great songs. Stood the test of >> Those are great songs. Stood the test of >> Those are great songs. Stood the test of time. Billy Joel, too. Amazing artist. time. Billy Joel, too. Amazing artist. time. Billy Joel, too. Amazing artist. Scenes from an Italian restaurant. Scenes from an Italian restaurant. Scenes from an Italian restaurant. >> That whole piece is incredible. >> That whole piece is incredible. >> That whole piece is incredible. >> It's brilliant. But when I got when I >> It's brilliant. But when I got when I >> It's brilliant. But when I got when I saw that record saw that record saw that record >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it said that big red marinas and I >> And it said that big red marinas and I >> And it said that big red marinas and I flipped it over and they all had long flipped it over and they all had long flipped it over and they all had long hair. hair. hair. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Singing about Jesus. And I remember and >> Singing about Jesus. And I remember and >> Singing about Jesus. And I remember and I remember I can tell you every detail I remember I can tell you every detail I remember I can tell you every detail about that moment going I remember going about that moment going I remember going about that moment going I remember going that's what I want that's what I want that's what I want >> just from looking at the cover. So you >> just from looking at the cover. So you >> just from looking at the cover. So you would would would >> because I thought because I I I would >> because I thought because I I I would >> because I thought because I I I would think I was think and then 15 I knew think I was think and then 15 I knew think I was think and then 15 I knew that's what God wanted me to do. But I that's what God wanted me to do. But I that's what God wanted me to do. But I kept loving the Elton John records and kept loving the Elton John records and kept loving the Elton John records and loving the Kansas records and going well loving the Kansas records and going well loving the Kansas records and going well why can't you make pop music and sing why can't you make pop music and sing why can't you make pop music and sing about Jesus about Jesus about Jesus >> and so when I saw that they were doing >> and so when I saw that they were doing >> and so when I saw that they were doing it then it then it then >> you know that might not be my style >> you know that might not be my style >> you know that might not be my style because I was up sort of more in the pop because I was up sort of more in the pop because I was up sort of more in the pop vein and stuff but that was my goal. I'm vein and stuff but that was my goal. I'm vein and stuff but that was my goal. I'm going to go get a record deal and I'm going to go get a record deal and I'm going to go get a record deal and I'm going to make pop music. At 13, you going to make pop music. At 13, you going to make pop music. At 13, you said, "I'm going to get a record deal."

said, "I'm going to get a record deal." said, "I'm going to get a record deal." >> Well, no. I said it, "That's what I want >> Well, no. I said it, "That's what I want >> Well, no. I said it, "That's what I want to do." Yeah. At 15, I knew that God to do." Yeah. At 15, I knew that God to do." Yeah. At 15, I knew that God that God really was calling me to do that God really was calling me to do that God really was calling me to do that. I'll never forget it. that. I'll never forget it. that. I'll never forget it. >> You were raised in a Christian home, >> You were raised in a Christian home, >> You were raised in a Christian home, right? I was. You wrote a book talking right? I was. You wrote a book talking right? I was. You wrote a book talking about things you learned from your about things you learned from your about things you learned from your father. father. father. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And what what was your father's name? >> And what what was your father's name? >> And what what was your father's name? >> Paul. >> Paul. >> Paul. >> Paul. And so, at what age were you when >> Paul. And so, at what age were you when >> Paul. And so, at what age were you when you made a commitment to Christ where you made a commitment to Christ where you made a commitment to Christ where you understood what you were doing or you understood what you were doing or you understood what you were doing or was it consistent back to your youth? was it consistent back to your youth? was it consistent back to your youth? No, I I knew what I was doing when I was No, I I knew what I was doing when I was No, I I knew what I was doing when I was 10. It was a It was a 10. It was a It was a 10. It was a It was a >> It was a epiphany. I mean, it was like >> It was a epiphany. I mean, it was like >> It was a epiphany. I mean, it was like It was like I was with my buddies on the It was like I was with my buddies on the It was like I was with my buddies on the back pew. back pew. back pew. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Had heard the heard the message over and >> Had heard the heard the message over and >> Had heard the heard the message over and over and all of a sudden the light bulb over and all of a sudden the light bulb over and all of a sudden the light bulb went went off and I remember going, "Oh went went off and I remember going, "Oh went went off and I remember going, "Oh my gosh, he really is who he said he my gosh, he really is who he said he my gosh, he really is who he said he was." was." was." >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And I got up >> And I got up >> And I got up >> and walked down the aisle and all my >> and walked down the aisle and all my >> and walked down the aisle and all my buddies were going, "What's he doing, buddies were going, "What's he doing, buddies were going, "What's he doing, dude? What are you doing?" Like, you dude? What are you doing?" Like, you dude? What are you doing?" Like, you know, know, know, >> and it was real. And then 15 is only >> and it was real. And then 15 is only >> and it was real. And then 15 is only second time I walked down the aisle and second time I walked down the aisle and second time I walked down the aisle and I told Stan Franklin who was my pastor I told Stan Franklin who was my pastor I told Stan Franklin who was my pastor who baptized me. I said, "I think God's who baptized me. I said, "I think God's who baptized me. I said, "I think God's called me into music and um and he laid called me into music and um and he laid called me into music and um and he laid hands on me and prayed for me."

hands on me and prayed for me." hands on me and prayed for me." >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And then I lost my way at 17. I thought >> And then I lost my way at 17. I thought >> And then I lost my way at 17. I thought I could play with a fire and and not get I could play with a fire and and not get I could play with a fire and and not get burned from 75 to 79. I almost died from burned from 75 to 79. I almost died from burned from 75 to 79. I almost died from a drug overdose. I've written all a drug overdose. I've written all a drug overdose. I've written all >> crazy stuff. So >> crazy stuff. So >> crazy stuff. So >> So 17 is the age I was when I came to >> So 17 is the age I was when I came to >> So 17 is the age I was when I came to Christ. Yeah. So, but 17 was the age you Christ. Yeah. So, but 17 was the age you Christ. Yeah. So, but 17 was the age you were at when you had a prodigal turn. were at when you had a prodigal turn. were at when you had a prodigal turn. What What was it that pulled you away What What was it that pulled you away What What was it that pulled you away away from your faith? Or was there away from your faith? Or was there away from your faith? Or was there something that was drawing you? I know something that was drawing you? I know something that was drawing you? I know it involved drugs. it involved drugs. it involved drugs. >> I think Well, I I think that I mean the >> I think Well, I I think that I mean the >> I think Well, I I think that I mean the whole thing began at 13 and the Jesus whole thing began at 13 and the Jesus whole thing began at 13 and the Jesus movement found its way into Kenova, West movement found its way into Kenova, West movement found its way into Kenova, West Virginia of all places. And so, but all Virginia of all places. And so, but all Virginia of all places. And so, but all while I was 13, 14, 15, all my buddies while I was 13, 14, 15, all my buddies while I was 13, 14, 15, all my buddies were smoking pot, drinking beer. So all were smoking pot, drinking beer. So all were smoking pot, drinking beer. So all my friends were college age and we would my friends were college age and we would my friends were college age and we would all meet almost every single night all meet almost every single night all meet almost every single night having Bible studies and playing Jesus having Bible studies and playing Jesus having Bible studies and playing Jesus music in people's living rooms music in people's living rooms music in people's living rooms >> and I was on fire. I wore this big >> and I was on fire. I wore this big >> and I was on fire. I wore this big wooden cross. I was a Jesus freak and wooden cross. I was a Jesus freak and wooden cross. I was a Jesus freak and and then all those people and then all those people and then all those people >> all went off to college and got married >> all went off to college and got married >> all went off to college and got married and and and I I didn't have a support team and I I I didn't have a support team and I I I didn't have a support team and I just and I started kind of hanging out just and I started kind of hanging out just and I started kind of hanging out with the wrong people. Maybe I you know with the wrong people. Maybe I you know with the wrong people. Maybe I you know maybe I can do a little bit of that.

maybe I can do a little bit of that. maybe I can do a little bit of that. Maybe I can Maybe I can Maybe I can >> play with the fire. And I got I got >> play with the fire. And I got I got >> play with the fire. And I got I got deceived. That's my favorite name for deceived. That's my favorite name for deceived. That's my favorite name for the devil. I mean, he's the great the devil. I mean, he's the great the devil. I mean, he's the great deceiver. Yes. And I think he was trying deceiver. Yes. And I think he was trying deceiver. Yes. And I think he was trying to kill me. And to kill me. And to kill me. And >> wow. >> wow. >> wow. >> And he sucked me in. And I then all of a >> And he sucked me in. And I then all of a >> And he sucked me in. And I then all of a sudden at that the fourth year of that sudden at that the fourth year of that sudden at that the fourth year of that prodal prodal prodal >> period when I almost lost my life from >> period when I almost lost my life from >> period when I almost lost my life from my crazy drug overdose, my crazy drug overdose, my crazy drug overdose, >> I knew that there was a call on my life >> I knew that there was a call on my life >> I knew that there was a call on my life and devil's trying to take me out. So and devil's trying to take me out. So and devil's trying to take me out. So I'm here I believe with every fiber of I'm here I believe with every fiber of I'm here I believe with every fiber of my being because of my mom and dad who my being because of my mom and dad who my being because of my mom and dad who never gave up on me and pray for me never gave up on me and pray for me never gave up on me and pray for me every every every >> Did they know you were doing this? >> Did they know you were doing this? >> Did they know you were doing this? >> Yeah, probably not to the extent. >> Yeah, probably not to the extent. >> Yeah, probably not to the extent. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> probably not >> probably not >> probably not >> the deep stuff, but they knew I was in >> the deep stuff, but they knew I was in >> the deep stuff, but they knew I was in trouble and they never kicked me out of trouble and they never kicked me out of trouble and they never kicked me out of the house. the house. the house. >> They never came down on me. They just >> They never came down on me. They just >> They never came down on me. They just kept loving me and um yeah. kept loving me and um yeah. kept loving me and um yeah. >> So what was the drug that you almost >> So what was the drug that you almost >> So what was the drug that you almost overdosed on? overdosed on? overdosed on? >> It was THC. It was some >> It was THC. It was some >> It was THC. It was some >> wow >> wow >> wow >> tranquilizer and I thought it was >> tranquilizer and I thought it was >> tranquilizer and I thought it was cocaine and it was something else and my cocaine and it was something else and my cocaine and it was something else and my blood's rushing out the sides of my nose blood's rushing out the sides of my nose blood's rushing out the sides of my nose and and and >> my gosh >> my gosh >> my gosh >> the guy was trying to clean me up and >> the guy was trying to clean me up and >> the guy was trying to clean me up and the two days I was like you know my the two days I was like you know my the two days I was like you know my brain was fried you know and brain was fried you know and brain was fried you know and >> and that's when I knew that's when I >> and that's when I knew that's when I >> and that's when I knew that's when I began to pray God do whatever you have began to pray God do whatever you have began to pray God do whatever you have to do to get my attention because to do to get my attention because to do to get my attention because >> I think you've got to call my life and >> I think you've got to call my life and >> I think you've got to call my life and I'm supposed to live and [snorts] and I'm supposed to live and [snorts] and I'm supposed to live and [snorts] and bring kingdom down to earth.

bring kingdom down to earth. bring kingdom down to earth. >> Amen. And long story short, I hit rock >> Amen. And long story short, I hit rock >> Amen. And long story short, I hit rock bottom 19 November 1979. I lost my joy. bottom 19 November 1979. I lost my joy. bottom 19 November 1979. I lost my joy. I got depressed. I'd really never been I got depressed. I'd really never been I got depressed. I'd really never been depressed in my life. depressed in my life. depressed in my life. >> And I hit rock bottom. And I convulsed >> And I hit rock bottom. And I convulsed >> And I hit rock bottom. And I convulsed and twisted and I was having probably and twisted and I was having probably and twisted and I was having probably had a nervous breakdown. I on my had a nervous breakdown. I on my had a nervous breakdown. I on my lenolium floor in that apartment in lenolium floor in that apartment in lenolium floor in that apartment in Nashville and for three and a half hours Nashville and for three and a half hours Nashville and for three and a half hours from like midnight till 3:30 in the from like midnight till 3:30 in the from like midnight till 3:30 in the morning. And then I was just like I was morning. And then I was just like I was morning. And then I was just like I was sore, so worn out. And I felt like sore, so worn out. And I felt like sore, so worn out. And I felt like beyond a shadow of a doubt that Aba was beyond a shadow of a doubt that Aba was beyond a shadow of a doubt that Aba was laying on the floor with me with his arm laying on the floor with me with his arm laying on the floor with me with his arm around me. around me. around me. >> Said it's gonna be okay. And I haven't >> Said it's gonna be okay. And I haven't >> Said it's gonna be okay. And I haven't been the same. been the same. been the same. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Since that day. >> Since that day. >> Since that day. >> So, you know, in your book, The Way of >> So, you know, in your book, The Way of >> So, you know, in your book, The Way of the Father, lessons I learned from my the Father, lessons I learned from my the Father, lessons I learned from my dad, truths about God. So, your father dad, truths about God. So, your father dad, truths about God. So, your father really reflected the father and the really reflected the father and the really reflected the father and the prodigal son story. Sure did. prodigal son story. Sure did. prodigal son story. Sure did. >> Who welcomed the son home. >> Who welcomed the son home. >> Who welcomed the son home. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Even when he went astray. >> Even when he went astray. >> Even when he went astray. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, your dad Paul was key in that. You >> So, your dad Paul was key in that. You >> So, your dad Paul was key in that. You know, both my sons went prodigal, both know, both my sons went prodigal, both know, both my sons went prodigal, both got into drugs, and uh my oldest son, got into drugs, and uh my oldest son, got into drugs, and uh my oldest son, Christopher, he's been in heaven some Christopher, he's been in heaven some Christopher, he's been in heaven some time now.

time now. time now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh many years, like 18 years. >> Uh many years, like 18 years. >> Uh many years, like 18 years. >> And uh in fact, I remember after it >> And uh in fact, I remember after it >> And uh in fact, I remember after it happened, you called me. I don't know if happened, you called me. I don't know if happened, you called me. I don't know if you remember that, but I really you remember that, but I really you remember that, but I really appreciated that. appreciated that. appreciated that. >> And um but he got into drugs, but >> And um but he got into drugs, but >> And um but he got into drugs, but recommitted his life to Christ, was recommitted his life to Christ, was recommitted his life to Christ, was walking with the Lord when the Lord walking with the Lord when the Lord walking with the Lord when the Lord called him home unexpectedly. But his called him home unexpectedly. But his called him home unexpectedly. But his younger brother was [clears throat] younger brother was [clears throat] younger brother was [clears throat] really into drugs, Jonathan. And is really into drugs, Jonathan. And is really into drugs, Jonathan. And is Christopher was having a conversation Christopher was having a conversation Christopher was having a conversation with him and he said, "Jonathan, what's with him and he said, "Jonathan, what's with him and he said, "Jonathan, what's it going to take for you to not do this it going to take for you to not do this it going to take for you to not do this anymore? I've already been down this anymore? I've already been down this anymore? I've already been down this road. You don't want to do this. What's road. You don't want to do this. What's road. You don't want to do this. What's it going to take?" And Jonathan it going to take?" And Jonathan it going to take?" And Jonathan determined he was going to have another determined he was going to have another determined he was going to have another conversation with this brother conversation with this brother conversation with this brother Christopher. And then Christopher was Christopher. And then Christopher was Christopher. And then Christopher was gone. And I'm not saying that's what it gone. And I'm not saying that's what it gone. And I'm not saying that's what it took. took. took. >> Yeah. But the reality is is that event >> Yeah. But the reality is is that event >> Yeah. But the reality is is that event changed Jonathan's life and he changed Jonathan's life and he changed Jonathan's life and he recommitted his life to the Lord. He's a recommitted his life to the Lord. He's a recommitted his life to the Lord. He's a pastor now at our church. He's been pastor now at our church. He's been pastor now at our church. He's been walking with the Lord for many years. walking with the Lord for many years. walking with the Lord for many years. But you know those sometime it's been But you know those sometime it's been But you know those sometime it's been said when you get to the end of said when you get to the end of said when you get to the end of yourself, you get to the beginning of yourself, you get to the beginning of yourself, you get to the beginning of God, you know, God, you know, God, you know, >> real quick.

>> real quick. >> real quick. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Quick. >> Quick. >> Quick. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, have you carried the lessons >> Yeah. So, have you carried the lessons >> Yeah. So, have you carried the lessons you learned from your father Paul on to you learned from your father Paul on to you learned from your father Paul on to being a parent yourself? being a parent yourself? being a parent yourself? >> I think I have. I I >> I think I have. I I >> I think I have. I I >> You seem like you'd be a really good dad >> You seem like you'd be a really good dad >> You seem like you'd be a really good dad to me. to me. to me. >> I love being a dad. >> I love being a dad. >> I love being a dad. >> Does Michael W. Smith ever lose his >> Does Michael W. Smith ever lose his >> Does Michael W. Smith ever lose his temper? Do you [laughter] yell? temper? Do you [laughter] yell? temper? Do you [laughter] yell? >> Yes. From time to time. Yes. Yes. But, >> Yes. From time to time. Yes. Yes. But, >> Yes. From time to time. Yes. Yes. But, you know, not too often, but I do. I you know, not too often, but I do. I you know, not too often, but I do. I mean, you know, well, we all do, you mean, you know, well, we all do, you mean, you know, well, we all do, you know, and know, and know, and >> but I love being a dad. I love being a >> but I love being a dad. I love being a >> but I love being a dad. I love being a grandfather. grandfather. grandfather. >> How many grandkids do you have? >> How many grandkids do you have? >> How many grandkids do you have? >> 20. >> 20. >> 20. >> 20. Last time I saw you was not that >> 20. Last time I saw you was not that >> 20. Last time I saw you was not that many. Well, we thought we were holding many. Well, we thought we were holding many. Well, we thought we were holding at 18, but you know, it it went up two at 18, but you know, it it went up two at 18, but you know, it it went up two more. more. more. >> Do you know all their names? >> Do you know all their names? >> Do you know all their names? >> I do. >> I do. >> I do. >> That's incredible. >> That's incredible. >> That's incredible. >> Yeah. Birthdays. I have to look at the >> Yeah. Birthdays. I have to look at the >> Yeah. Birthdays. I have to look at the calendar. calendar. calendar. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know all 20 names. That's >> You know all 20 names. That's >> You know all 20 names. That's impressive. impressive. impressive. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, what a blessing that is. >> Now, what a blessing that is. >> Now, what a blessing that is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you got into music. Uh you love the >> So, you got into music. Uh you love the >> So, you got into music. Uh you love the Marinatha Record. You're I think you Marinatha Record. You're I think you Marinatha Record. You're I think you started out as a session player, right? started out as a session player, right? started out as a session player, right? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But you weren't really what we would >> But you weren't really what we would >> But you weren't really what we would call an artist. Yeah. You were writing call an artist. Yeah. You were writing call an artist. Yeah. You were writing songs, though.

songs, though. songs, though. >> I was writing songs. That's sort of >> I was writing songs. That's sort of >> I was writing songs. That's sort of that's how I got started was I wrote a that's how I got started was I wrote a that's how I got started was I wrote a song for Truth and then I wrote a song song for Truth and then I wrote a song song for Truth and then I wrote a song for Sandy Patty which is how Majestic for Sandy Patty which is how Majestic for Sandy Patty which is how Majestic How Majestic Is Your Name and How Majestic Is Your Name and How Majestic Is Your Name and >> and then I met a girl named Amy Grant >> and then I met a girl named Amy Grant >> and then I met a girl named Amy Grant and started writing songs for her age to and started writing songs for her age to and started writing songs for her age to age record. age record. age record. >> Yes. So you were her keyboard player >> Yes. So you were her keyboard player >> Yes. So you were her keyboard player >> and did she sort of launch you into >> and did she sort of launch you into >> and did she sort of launch you into music? music? music? >> I would say I wouldn't be here if it >> I would say I wouldn't be here if it >> I would say I wouldn't be here if it hadn't been for her. hadn't been for her. hadn't been for her. >> And have you been able to do that for >> And have you been able to do that for >> And have you been able to do that for any other artists as you've been any other artists as you've been any other artists as you've been successful like people you've discover? successful like people you've discover? successful like people you've discover? taken. Well, I have, but I I mean, I taken. Well, I have, but I I mean, I taken. Well, I have, but I I mean, I don't want to brag about that, but I don't want to brag about that, but I don't want to brag about that, but I mean, there's a lot of people that Well, mean, there's a lot of people that Well, mean, there's a lot of people that Well, Jars of Clay, uh Matt Mar was on the Jars of Clay, uh Matt Mar was on the Jars of Clay, uh Matt Mar was on the road with me. road with me. road with me. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Jordan Smith from American Idol. >> Jordan Smith from American Idol. >> Jordan Smith from American Idol. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Meinda Doolittle on the Christmas tour. >> Meinda Doolittle on the Christmas tour. >> Meinda Doolittle on the Christmas tour. Gosh, I could go on. Gosh, I could go on. Gosh, I could go on. >> Leland, too, right? I mean, >> Leland, too, right? I mean, >> Leland, too, right? I mean, >> who's that? >> who's that? >> who's that? >> Leland, too. >> Leland, too. >> Leland, too. >> Leland. I mean, we actually didn't go on >> Leland. I mean, we actually didn't go on >> Leland. I mean, we actually didn't go on the road together, but we we wrote songs the road together, but we we wrote songs the road together, but we we wrote songs together and I recorded a lot of his together and I recorded a lot of his together and I recorded a lot of his songs, you know. So, one of the people songs, you know. So, one of the people songs, you know. So, one of the people you worked with early on or maybe later you worked with early on or maybe later you worked with early on or maybe later in your career was Billy Graham.

in your career was Billy Graham. in your career was Billy Graham. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you know, and I was actually there >> And you know, and I was actually there >> And you know, and I was actually there at that time. I I've been on his board at that time. I I've been on his board at that time. I I've been on his board for probably 30 years. for probably 30 years. for probably 30 years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And uh I was helping him at that point >> And uh I was helping him at that point >> And uh I was helping him at that point because Billy was in his later years and because Billy was in his later years and because Billy was in his later years and I was just starting our crusade I was just starting our crusade I was just starting our crusade ministry. So he said, "I want you to ministry. So he said, "I want you to ministry. So he said, "I want you to help me with my messages and help make help me with my messages and help make help me with my messages and help make them more contemporary." So I was going them more contemporary." So I was going them more contemporary." So I was going through his messages and I was giving through his messages and I was giving through his messages and I was giving them fresher illustrations. I remember them fresher illustrations. I remember them fresher illustrations. I remember one time this marks it in time where it one time this marks it in time where it one time this marks it in time where it was I I found a lyric from Smashing was I I found a lyric from Smashing was I I found a lyric from Smashing Pumpkins uh called Rat in a Cage. And so Pumpkins uh called Rat in a Cage. And so Pumpkins uh called Rat in a Cage. And so I don't remember the lyrics, but it was I don't remember the lyrics, but it was I don't remember the lyrics, but it was something to the effect of I'm just a something to the effect of I'm just a something to the effect of I'm just a rat in a cage something another line or rat in a cage something another line or rat in a cage something another line or two. So I put it in there and I put a two. So I put it in there and I put a two. So I put it in there and I put a little note, Billy Smashing Pumpkins is little note, Billy Smashing Pumpkins is little note, Billy Smashing Pumpkins is the name of a band cuz I didn't want him the name of a band cuz I didn't want him the name of a band cuz I didn't want him to think it was literally someone to think it was literally someone to think it was literally someone smashing pumpkins. And it was in smashing pumpkins. And it was in smashing pumpkins. And it was in Minneapolis when he delivered that line. Minneapolis when he delivered that line. Minneapolis when he delivered that line. It was one of the greatest moments of my It was one of the greatest moments of my It was one of the greatest moments of my life because it was like anything I life because it was like anything I life because it was like anything I could do to help Billy, you know, we all could do to help Billy, you know, we all could do to help Billy, you know, we all loved him, but I know that uh he decided loved him, but I know that uh he decided loved him, but I know that uh he decided >> he wanted to reach younger people and >> he wanted to reach younger people and >> he wanted to reach younger people and this was a conflict on the board.

this was a conflict on the board. this was a conflict on the board. >> I was on the board at the time and there >> I was on the board at the time and there >> I was on the board at the time and there were board members that were adamantly were board members that were adamantly were board members that were adamantly against it and I was saying, "No, you against it and I was saying, "No, you against it and I was saying, "No, you guys got to do this. This is the best guys got to do this. This is the best guys got to do this. This is the best thing." And it was you. thing." And it was you. thing." And it was you. >> Cleveland Stadium 1994. >> Cleveland Stadium 1994. >> Cleveland Stadium 1994. >> Did you guys ever do an event? It seems >> Did you guys ever do an event? It seems >> Did you guys ever do an event? It seems like Oh, where was it? Georgia. Did you like Oh, where was it? Georgia. Did you like Oh, where was it? Georgia. Did you do one at Georgia as well? do one at Georgia as well? do one at Georgia as well? >> I mean I pro we I'm trying to think >> I mean I pro we I'm trying to think >> I mean I pro we I'm trying to think because I know we did Minneapolis. We because I know we did Minneapolis. We because I know we did Minneapolis. We did we I mean Cleveland was the did we I mean Cleveland was the did we I mean Cleveland was the beginning of many. Yeah. beginning of many. Yeah. beginning of many. Yeah. >> So every Billy Graham crusade from that >> So every Billy Graham crusade from that >> So every Billy Graham crusade from that point on Saturday night was youth night. point on Saturday night was youth night. point on Saturday night was youth night. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so I did probably 10 11 12 13 and >> And so I did probably 10 11 12 13 and >> And so I did probably 10 11 12 13 and then I phased out. I got a little older then I phased out. I got a little older then I phased out. I got a little older and and and >> they pulled in some younger bands to do >> they pulled in some younger bands to do >> they pulled in some younger bands to do it. And it. And it. And >> but that night was that's a top five for >> but that night was that's a top five for >> but that night was that's a top five for me of of anything in my life was that me of of anything in my life was that me of of anything in my life was that night. He would do a particular song night. He would do a particular song night. He would do a particular song before he would come come out and speak, before he would come come out and speak, before he would come come out and speak, wouldn't you? wouldn't you? wouldn't you? >> Yeah. And I'm trying to think I And I >> Yeah. And I'm trying to think I And I >> Yeah. And I'm trying to think I And I I'm trying to remember what that song I'm trying to remember what that song I'm trying to remember what that song is. I should know what that song was. I is. I should know what that song was. I is. I should know what that song was. I think I have introduced him that night. think I have introduced him that night. think I have introduced him that night. >> Was it Find Your Way? You had a song >> Was it Find Your Way? You had a song >> Was it Find Your Way? You had a song about finding your way home or about finding your way home or about finding your way home or something. something. something. >> I'll lead you home. >> I'll lead you home. >> I'll lead you home. >> I'll lead you home.

>> I'll lead you home. >> I'll lead you home. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> I That's what I recollect it being. >> I That's what I recollect it being. >> I That's what I recollect it being. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then and the funny thing is I >> Yeah. And then and the funny thing is I >> Yeah. And then and the funny thing is I remember like you guys would be out and remember like you guys would be out and remember like you guys would be out and do your thing and then Billy would come do your thing and then Billy would come do your thing and then Billy would come out. What I thought was so cool is Billy out. What I thought was so cool is Billy out. What I thought was so cool is Billy didn't like dress in a contemporary way. didn't like dress in a contemporary way. didn't like dress in a contemporary way. He just dressed like Billy, which was a He just dressed like Billy, which was a He just dressed like Billy, which was a suit. Yeah. suit. Yeah. suit. Yeah. >> And he came out and he probably got the >> And he came out and he probably got the >> And he came out and he probably got the biggest applause of the night. biggest applause of the night. biggest applause of the night. >> Oh, he did. Absolutely. >> Oh, he did. Absolutely. >> Oh, he did. Absolutely. >> Because he was this authentic >> Because he was this authentic >> Because he was this authentic >> standing ovation. >> standing ovation. >> standing ovation. >> Yes. Yeah. And you got to know him, too, >> Yes. Yeah. And you got to know him, too, >> Yes. Yeah. And you got to know him, too, didn't you? didn't you? didn't you? >> I did. >> I did. >> I did. >> That's a privilege, you know. >> That's a privilege, you know. >> That's a privilege, you know. >> H the stories of just >> H the stories of just >> H the stories of just >> Tell me a couple. >> Tell me a couple. >> Tell me a couple. >> H Well, nothing like Billy laying hands >> H Well, nothing like Billy laying hands >> H Well, nothing like Billy laying hands on you and praying for you. But I would on you and praying for you. But I would on you and praying for you. But I would go visit him. go visit him. go visit him. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And in this home. >> And in this home. >> And in this home. >> In his home. Yeah. >> In his home. Yeah. >> In his home. Yeah. >> Uh Montre. I would play that out of tune >> Uh Montre. I would play that out of tune >> Uh Montre. I would play that out of tune piano and piano and piano and >> love on him and Ruth when Ruth was still >> love on him and Ruth when Ruth was still >> love on him and Ruth when Ruth was still alive and then Ruth passed and then it alive and then Ruth passed and then it alive and then Ruth passed and then it was Billy and then I would just I just was Billy and then I would just I just was Billy and then I would just I just kept going back maybe a couple times a kept going back maybe a couple times a kept going back maybe a couple times a year sometimes three. year sometimes three. year sometimes three. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And we would just talk and then he got >> And we would just talk and then he got >> And we would just talk and then he got weak and he just and all of a sudden weak and he just and all of a sudden weak and he just and all of a sudden he's in a wheelchair and so he's in a wheelchair and so he's in a wheelchair and so >> and then but he always prayed for me. He >> and then but he always prayed for me. He >> and then but he always prayed for me. He always and so then I started setting up always and so then I started setting up always and so then I started setting up the piano beside his wheelchair in the the piano beside his wheelchair in the the piano beside his wheelchair in the bed. I'd bring electric piano and I'd bed. I'd bring electric piano and I'd bed. I'd bring electric piano and I'd play all his favorite hymns.

play all his favorite hymns. play all his favorite hymns. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And then the last two times >> And then the last two times >> And then the last two times >> he couldn't pray for me because >> he couldn't pray for me because >> he couldn't pray for me because >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> that's so I pray for him. >> that's so I pray for him. >> that's so I pray for him. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> It's just like [snorts] >> It's just like [snorts] >> It's just like [snorts] and you're sitting there going, I can't and you're sitting there going, I can't and you're sitting there going, I can't believe I'm doing this, you know. believe I'm doing this, you know. believe I'm doing this, you know. >> But he I know he could hear me and he >> But he I know he could hear me and he >> But he I know he could hear me and he would I could hear him trying to hum cuz would I could hear him trying to hum cuz would I could hear him trying to hum cuz we put the headphones in so he could we put the headphones in so he could we put the headphones in so he could hear me a little better, you know. And hear me a little better, you know. And hear me a little better, you know. And it's so I always kind of feel bad it's so I always kind of feel bad it's so I always kind of feel bad because I always called him Billy. Yeah. because I always called him Billy. Yeah. because I always called him Billy. Yeah. and and but but out of respect, I think and and but but out of respect, I think and and but but out of respect, I think he's probably the one who said just call he's probably the one who said just call he's probably the one who said just call me Billy. me Billy. me Billy. >> Yeah. You know, um you want to call him >> Yeah. You know, um you want to call him >> Yeah. You know, um you want to call him Dr. Graham. That's what all of his team Dr. Graham. That's what all of his team Dr. Graham. That's what all of his team called him. He said that they call me called him. He said that they call me called him. He said that they call me Billy. It just Billy is such a It's a Billy. It just Billy is such a It's a Billy. It just Billy is such a It's a southern thing though, isn't it? You southern thing though, isn't it? You southern thing though, isn't it? You know, there's Johnny's, there's Billy's, know, there's Johnny's, there's Billy's, know, there's Johnny's, there's Billy's, there's and it seems too personal, but there's and it seems too personal, but there's and it seems too personal, but but he did want you to just call him but he did want you to just call him but he did want you to just call him Billy. Billy. Billy. >> He did. >> He did. >> He did. >> I think we kind of had a lot of things >> I think we kind of had a lot of things >> I think we kind of had a lot of things in common on some level. He's got five in common on some level. He's got five in common on some level. He's got five kids. I got five kids. Yeah, kids. I got five kids. Yeah, kids. I got five kids. Yeah, >> he travels. I travel >> he travels. I travel >> he travels. I travel >> keeping a family together and and we >> keeping a family together and and we >> keeping a family together and and we would talk a lot about our kids. Yeah. would talk a lot about our kids. Yeah. would talk a lot about our kids. Yeah. And And And >> and then we gosh, we talked about a lot >> and then we gosh, we talked about a lot >> and then we gosh, we talked about a lot a lot of stuff, you know, sometimes we a lot of stuff, you know, sometimes we a lot of stuff, you know, sometimes we talk about talk about talk about >> very few times about politics, but just >> very few times about politics, but just >> very few times about politics, but just world affairs, what's going on in the world affairs, what's going on in the world affairs, what's going on in the world and but he would always bring it world and but he would always bring it world and but he would always bring it back to just going, you know, just Jesus back to just going, you know, just Jesus back to just going, you know, just Jesus is the only answer there is. And is the only answer there is. And is the only answer there is. And >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> and we would edify each other. He would >> and we would edify each other. He would >> and we would edify each other. He would really edify me. So it when I would walk really edify me. So it when I would walk really edify me. So it when I would walk out of there, I just kind of felt like I out of there, I just kind of felt like I out of there, I just kind of felt like I was 10 feet tall. And was 10 feet tall. And was 10 feet tall. And >> I feel he's the most godly man I ever >> I feel he's the most godly man I ever >> I feel he's the most godly man I ever met.

met. met. >> I've met a lot of godly men as you have >> I've met a lot of godly men as you have >> I've met a lot of godly men as you have and women. and women. and women. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And but I just felt like, you know, as >> And but I just felt like, you know, as >> And but I just felt like, you know, as he got older, he just became sweeter he got older, he just became sweeter he got older, he just became sweeter >> and and he was to me it was like I think >> and and he was to me it was like I think >> and and he was to me it was like I think as close as you could get on earth just as close as you could get on earth just as close as you could get on earth just sitting down with Jesus and having a sitting down with Jesus and having a sitting down with Jesus and having a conversation. He just reflected Christ. conversation. He just reflected Christ. conversation. He just reflected Christ. I remember one time in his home, Ruth I remember one time in his home, Ruth I remember one time in his home, Ruth was very ill at this point and Dennis was very ill at this point and Dennis was very ill at this point and Dennis Egenian, you know him of course, he came Egenian, you know him of course, he came Egenian, you know him of course, he came over over over >> and uh Billy asked him to play. So >> and uh Billy asked him to play. So >> and uh Billy asked him to play. So Dennis played um Dennis played um Dennis played um uh Hendle's Messiah and and as he was uh Hendle's Messiah and and as he was uh Hendle's Messiah and and as he was playing it on the guitar on the guitar, playing it on the guitar on the guitar, playing it on the guitar on the guitar, he's playing it on his guitar and and Billy is is just looking at Ruth and and Billy is is just looking at Ruth and Ruth is just like even though she and Ruth is just like even though she and Ruth is just like even though she was very ill, she was almost like was very ill, she was almost like was very ill, she was almost like glowing. And I thought, "Wow, there's a glowing. And I thought, "Wow, there's a glowing. And I thought, "Wow, there's a story here. What's this all about?" out story here. What's this all about?" out story here. What's this all about?" out and then Billy at the song at the end of and then Billy at the song at the end of and then Billy at the song at the end of the song leaned over to Ruth and said the song leaned over to Ruth and said the song leaned over to Ruth and said that's a song they played on our first that's a song they played on our first that's a song they played on our first date.

date. date. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Cuz he took her to see Andel Smith >> Cuz he took her to see Andel Smith >> Cuz he took her to see Andel Smith >> Hallelujah chorus >> Hallelujah chorus >> Hallelujah chorus >> and it was such a sweet moment. He loved >> and it was such a sweet moment. He loved >> and it was such a sweet moment. He loved they loved each other so much. they loved each other so much. they loved each other so much. >> They did. >> They did. >> They did. >> I saw them disagree too. That was fun. >> I saw them disagree too. That was fun. >> I saw them disagree too. That was fun. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know over nothing. >> You know over nothing. >> You know over nothing. >> She was just she was opinionated. >> She was just she was opinionated. >> She was just she was opinionated. >> She'd speak her mind too. >> She'd speak her mind too. >> She'd speak her mind too. >> She would speak her mind. >> She would speak her mind. >> She would speak her mind. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you got to know George W. Bush. >> And you got to know George W. Bush. >> And you got to know George W. Bush. >> I did. And is that because you shared >> I did. And is that because you shared >> I did. And is that because you shared the same initial? Was that the the same initial? Was that the the same initial? Was that the connection? connection? connection? >> How did you I met George W through >> How did you I met George W through >> How did you I met George W through through his dad. through his dad. through his dad. >> Oh well. George HW. >> Oh well. George HW. >> Oh well. George HW. >> Yeah. And so I played a Christmas >> Yeah. And so I played a Christmas >> Yeah. And so I played a Christmas special NBC Christmas in Washington special NBC Christmas in Washington special NBC Christmas in Washington 1989. 1989. 1989. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> President was there and Barbara Bush and >> President was there and Barbara Bush and >> President was there and Barbara Bush and met them before. They're on the front met them before. They're on the front met them before. They're on the front row going dying on heaven. I'm playing row going dying on heaven. I'm playing row going dying on heaven. I'm playing for the president of the United States. for the president of the United States. for the president of the United States. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then after the show, we >> Yeah. Yeah. And then after the show, we >> Yeah. Yeah. And then after the show, we thought it was over. We're back having a thought it was over. We're back having a thought it was over. We're back having a party, celebrating the thing. And then I party, celebrating the thing. And then I party, celebrating the thing. And then I had a guy, the president of NBC and a had a guy, the president of NBC and a had a guy, the president of NBC and a Secret Service guy come up and says, Secret Service guy come up and says, Secret Service guy come up and says, "The president was requesting you and "The president was requesting you and "The president was requesting you and your wife to come to the White House."

your wife to come to the White House." your wife to come to the White House." >> So we got in a car, ran every red light >> So we got in a car, ran every red light >> So we got in a car, ran every red light and pulled up in front of the White and pulled up in front of the White and pulled up in front of the White House and walked in. House and walked in. House and walked in. >> How cool. >> How cool. >> How cool. >> And Barbara's telling stories. I'm with >> And Barbara's telling stories. I'm with >> And Barbara's telling stories. I'm with the president NBC and George Herbert the president NBC and George Herbert the president NBC and George Herbert Walker Bush. and he's giving us the Walker Bush. and he's giving us the Walker Bush. and he's giving us the playbyplay of his playbyplay of his playbyplay of his >> conversation with Gorbachoff on the >> conversation with Gorbachoff on the >> conversation with Gorbachoff on the ship. ship. ship. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> He had just gotten back from that. >> He had just gotten back from that. >> He had just gotten back from that. >> My goodness. >> My goodness. >> My goodness. >> I mean, it was like this is not >> I mean, it was like this is not >> I mean, it was like this is not happening. Then we go in the East Room. happening. Then we go in the East Room. happening. Then we go in the East Room. He says, "Hey, Michael, won't you leave He says, "Hey, Michael, won't you leave He says, "Hey, Michael, won't you leave us in some Christmas carols?" us in some Christmas carols?" us in some Christmas carols?" >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> And so I let us all have Christmas >> And so I let us all have Christmas >> And so I let us all have Christmas carols. And so then he started touching carols. And so then he started touching carols. And so then he started touching base with me and writing me. base with me and writing me. base with me and writing me. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> And saying, "Just let me know when >> And saying, "Just let me know when >> And saying, "Just let me know when you're watching. Come. You got to come you're watching. Come. You got to come you're watching. Come. You got to come and see me." I thought, "Does this guy and see me." I thought, "Does this guy and see me." I thought, "Does this guy not have anything else to do?" not have anything else to do?" not have anything else to do?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he meant it. I mean, and so I'd call >> And he meant it. I mean, and so I'd call >> And he meant it. I mean, and so I'd call Patty Prick assistant and I would go Patty Prick assistant and I would go Patty Prick assistant and I would go have hot dogs. We'd sit in the oval have hot dogs. We'd sit in the oval have hot dogs. We'd sit in the oval office and we'd chat. I I probably office and we'd chat. I I probably office and we'd chat. I I probably visited visited visited dad as much if not more than W. dad as much if not more than W. dad as much if not more than W. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> yeah. But I'm the crazy crazy W story is >> yeah. But I'm the crazy crazy W story is >> yeah. But I'm the crazy crazy W story is that we go to Kenny Buckport because that we go to Kenny Buckport because that we go to Kenny Buckport because because senior said, "You got to come to because senior said, "You got to come to because senior said, "You got to come to Kenny Buckport." That's great. So Deb Kenny Buckport." That's great. So Deb Kenny Buckport." That's great. So Deb and I go out and I go out and I go out >> and there's George W's there and Laura >> and there's George W's there and Laura >> and there's George W's there and Laura and they're big tennis players and they and they're big tennis players and they and they're big tennis players and they are very competitive.

are very competitive. are very competitive. >> Really? Even George HW at that age. >> Really? Even George HW at that age. >> Really? Even George HW at that age. >> Very competitive. And so it was me and >> Very competitive. And so it was me and >> Very competitive. And so it was me and his partner in the Texas Rangers. And his partner in the Texas Rangers. And his partner in the Texas Rangers. And I've to I've totally gone blank on on I've to I've totally gone blank on on I've to I've totally gone blank on on who it was, but it was him and I playing who it was, but it was him and I playing who it was, but it was him and I playing father and son. And u it was fierce, father and son. And u it was fierce, father and son. And u it was fierce, man. man. man. >> They played to win. >> They played to win. >> They played to win. >> It they played to win and we beat him >> It they played to win and we beat him >> It they played to win and we beat him >> and they weren't happy about it. >> and they weren't happy about it. >> and they weren't happy about it. >> That's so funny. >> That's so funny. >> That's so funny. >> Yeah. And uh I thought this would be the >> Yeah. And uh I thought this would be the >> Yeah. And uh I thought this would be the last time I get invited to Kenny Bport. last time I get invited to Kenny Bport. last time I get invited to Kenny Bport. But that's where I met W. And then I got But that's where I met W. And then I got But that's where I met W. And then I got to know him. Then he obviously became to know him. Then he obviously became to know him. Then he obviously became governor. governor. governor. >> Yeah. and then he becomes president and >> Yeah. and then he becomes president and >> Yeah. and then he becomes president and then I was on the presidential prayer then I was on the presidential prayer then I was on the presidential prayer team, you know, and praying for the team, you know, and praying for the team, you know, and praying for the president. Then I was on a council for president. Then I was on a council for president. Then I was on a council for the president. the president. the president. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, just a great thing honoring people, the just a great thing honoring people, the just a great thing honoring people, the people you don't ever hear about that people you don't ever hear about that people you don't ever hear about that are changing the world. And that was I are changing the world. And that was I are changing the world. And that was I was on that committee for over two was on that committee for over two was on that committee for over two years, almost three years. years, almost three years. years, almost three years. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And that was that was awesome. >> And that was that was awesome. >> And that was that was awesome. >> Have you met any other presidents? >> Have you met any other presidents? >> Have you met any other presidents? >> Uh, I spent some time with Reagan. >> Uh, I spent some time with Reagan. >> Uh, I spent some time with Reagan. >> Yeah. Oh, no. >> Yeah. Oh, no. >> Yeah. Oh, no. >> No way. Yeah. Uh, not a lot. We were >> No way. Yeah. Uh, not a lot. We were >> No way. Yeah. Uh, not a lot. We were together three I think three four times together three I think three four times together three I think three four times >> while he was still president.

>> while he was still president. >> while he was still president. >> No, after he got out out. I met Carter. >> No, after he got out out. I met Carter. >> No, after he got out out. I met Carter. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> he was already out. Um so the only >> he was already out. Um so the only >> he was already out. Um so the only really and Obama, you know, I met Trump really and Obama, you know, I met Trump really and Obama, you know, I met Trump just one time at the prayer breakfast, just one time at the prayer breakfast, just one time at the prayer breakfast, you know, but I don't really know him. you know, but I don't really know him. you know, but I don't really know him. Um Um Um >> so [snorts] but the it's interesting the >> so [snorts] but the it's interesting the >> so [snorts] but the it's interesting the the Bush thing how all that happened and the Bush thing how all that happened and the Bush thing how all that happened and I I I >> I just remained a friend of the family >> I just remained a friend of the family >> I just remained a friend of the family for and I still am. for and I still am. for and I still am. >> That's great. Well, I think that um you >> That's great. Well, I think that um you >> That's great. Well, I think that um you know, it's a it's an awesome thing to know, it's a it's an awesome thing to know, it's a it's an awesome thing to stand in the Oval Office. It stand in the Oval Office. It stand in the Oval Office. It >> is >> is >> is >> and just look around and the history >> and just look around and the history >> and just look around and the history that's in there and and you know, you've that's in there and and you know, you've that's in there and and you know, you've met some amazing people there. met some amazing people there. met some amazing people there. >> And so what a great open door. You know, >> And so what a great open door. You know, >> And so what a great open door. You know, thinking of Billy Graham. I mean, he had thinking of Billy Graham. I mean, he had thinking of Billy Graham. I mean, he had an impact, a dramatic impact on the an impact, a dramatic impact on the an impact, a dramatic impact on the whole Bush family. whole Bush family. whole Bush family. >> He effectively played a key role in >> He effectively played a key role in >> He effectively played a key role in George W. Bush coming to Christ or at George W. Bush coming to Christ or at George W. Bush coming to Christ or at least recommitting his life to Christ. least recommitting his life to Christ. least recommitting his life to Christ. And of course he was there in the And of course he was there in the And of course he was there in the Washington Cathedral after 9/11 at the Washington Cathedral after 9/11 at the Washington Cathedral after 9/11 at the request of President Bush, George W. request of President Bush, George W. request of President Bush, George W. Bush, Bush, Bush, >> and uh you know really influenced that >> and uh you know really influenced that >> and uh you know really influenced that family.

family. family. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that's that's a great thing that they >> So that's that's a great thing that they >> So that's that's a great thing that they had that behind you was a portrait of had that behind you was a portrait of had that behind you was a portrait of Johnny Cash. I'm sure you got met him Johnny Cash. I'm sure you got met him Johnny Cash. I'm sure you got met him more. more. more. >> I did. I did actually did a Christmas >> I did. I did actually did a Christmas >> I did. I did actually did a Christmas show with him. Wow. show with him. Wow. show with him. Wow. >> With Billy. >> With Billy. >> With Billy. >> Wow. What >> Wow. What >> Wow. What >> Billy? It was June and Johnny. George >> Billy? It was June and Johnny. George >> Billy? It was June and Johnny. George Beverly. Beverly. Beverly. >> Wow. Billy and Ruth and Amy Grat and I. >> Wow. Billy and Ruth and Amy Grat and I. >> Wow. Billy and Ruth and Amy Grat and I. >> Oh my goodness. How wonderful. >> Oh my goodness. How wonderful. >> Oh my goodness. How wonderful. >> I'm sure I saw that. That sounds very >> I'm sure I saw that. That sounds very >> I'm sure I saw that. That sounds very familiar. familiar. familiar. >> Yeah, it was we recorded like in the 80s >> Yeah, it was we recorded like in the 80s >> Yeah, it was we recorded like in the 80s or so. Maybe early, but I think it was or so. Maybe early, but I think it was or so. Maybe early, but I think it was the late ' 80s. But I just I couldn't the late ' 80s. But I just I couldn't the late ' 80s. But I just I couldn't believe I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm on believe I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm on believe I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm on this this this >> bull stage. I don't think it was at the >> bull stage. I don't think it was at the >> bull stage. I don't think it was at the Cove. It might have been at the Cove Cove. It might have been at the Cove Cove. It might have been at the Cove what the Cove was back then." what the Cove was back then." what the Cove was back then." >> And there's Johnny and he was just so >> And there's Johnny and he was just so >> And there's Johnny and he was just so delightful and so was June. And it was delightful and so was June. And it was delightful and so was June. And it was it was a good moment. He had such a it was a good moment. He had such a it was a good moment. He had such a special voice. You know, people say, special voice. You know, people say, special voice. You know, people say, "Well, he's country." He is country, of "Well, he's country." He is country, of "Well, he's country." He is country, of course. But I just feel like there he's course. But I just feel like there he's course. But I just feel like there he's just Johnny Cash. He's like in his own just Johnny Cash. He's like in his own just Johnny Cash. He's like in his own category cuz no one really sounded quite category cuz no one really sounded quite category cuz no one really sounded quite like him. like him. like him. >> Nobody. Nobody, >> Nobody. Nobody, >> Nobody. Nobody, >> you know? He and even as he was older, >> you know? He and even as he was older, >> you know? He and even as he was older, even when Johnny's health was failing, even when Johnny's health was failing, even when Johnny's health was failing, he still I still like to even listen to he still I still like to even listen to he still I still like to even listen to those songs because he would interpret a those songs because he would interpret a those songs because he would interpret a song and present it in such a way where song and present it in such a way where song and present it in such a way where it just it just it just >> it kind of touches you, you know, the >> it kind of touches you, you know, the >> it kind of touches you, you know, the songs he chosen and songs he wrote as songs he chosen and songs he wrote as songs he chosen and songs he wrote as well. And so what like talking with him well. And so what like talking with him well. And so what like talking with him privately, what was he like hanging out privately, what was he like hanging out privately, what was he like hanging out with? was very nice. He just very with? was very nice. He just very with? was very nice. He just very gracious, very nice. I don't think he gracious, very nice. I don't think he gracious, very nice. I don't think he knew much about me and that

knew much about me and that knew much about me and that >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> this earlier in my career and I don't >> this earlier in my career and I don't >> this earlier in my career and I don't didn't expect him to, but didn't expect him to, but didn't expect him to, but >> he was very cordial and he's very sweet >> he was very cordial and he's very sweet >> he was very cordial and he's very sweet and I think Debbie was there and he'd and I think Debbie was there and he'd and I think Debbie was there and he'd met Deb and met Deb and met Deb and >> and um yeah, he he's the legend and my >> and um yeah, he he's the legend and my >> and um yeah, he he's the legend and my favorite I mean my favorite thing I go I favorite I mean my favorite thing I go I favorite I mean my favorite thing I go I mean I loved the obviously all the old mean I loved the obviously all the old mean I loved the obviously all the old stuff but I went back and listened to stuff but I went back and listened to stuff but I went back and listened to her again the other day. It's like cuz I her again the other day. It's like cuz I her again the other day. It's like cuz I I have a song kind of like that and I I have a song kind of like that and I I have a song kind of like that and I was working with my producer going was working with my producer going was working with my producer going and I can't wait for you to hear it. But and I can't wait for you to hear it. But and I can't wait for you to hear it. But but I said let's go back and let's go but I said let's go back and let's go but I said let's go back and let's go back and watch the video of her because back and watch the video of her because back and watch the video of her because I want them to hear because we're sort I want them to hear because we're sort I want them to hear because we're sort of trying to kind of skew it in that of trying to kind of skew it in that of trying to kind of skew it in that sort of production. But it was I forgot sort of production. But it was I forgot sort of production. But it was I forgot how how how >> amazing it is. >> amazing it is. >> amazing it is. >> Yeah. the the video was as powerful as >> Yeah. the the video was as powerful as >> Yeah. the the video was as powerful as the song was and together I agree the song was and together I agree the song was and together I agree >> because he showed these old images of >> because he showed these old images of >> because he showed these old images of himself when he was the young vibrant himself when he was the young vibrant himself when he was the young vibrant Johnny Johnny Johnny >> right >> right >> right >> and then he showed himself as he was >> and then he showed himself as he was >> and then he showed himself as he was >> and and he's >> and and he's >> and and he's >> I was a little shocked by that actually >> I was a little shocked by that actually >> I was a little shocked by that actually when I when I when I >> Well, members of his family didn't want >> Well, members of his family didn't want >> Well, members of his family didn't want him to do it.

him to do it. him to do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because they thought it didn't present >> Because they thought it didn't present >> Because they thought it didn't present him in the best light. him in the best light. him in the best light. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I thought it was a beautiful thing >> But I thought it was a beautiful thing >> But I thought it was a beautiful thing to do at that stage in his career. He's to do at that stage in his career. He's to do at that stage in his career. He's making a statement, making a statement, making a statement, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> You can have this empire of dirt. I >> You can have this empire of dirt. I >> You can have this empire of dirt. I don't want it. You know, he's talking don't want it. You know, he's talking don't want it. You know, he's talking about what really matters to him about what really matters to him about what really matters to him >> and we all need to come to that >> and we all need to come to that >> and we all need to come to that conclusion. conclusion. conclusion. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I I recently did an interview with Rick >> I I recently did an interview with Rick >> I I recently did an interview with Rick Rubin. Rubin. Rubin. >> Yeah, I heard that. >> Yeah, I heard that. >> Yeah, I heard that. >> Yeah. So, it's it's coming out soon. >> Yeah. So, it's it's coming out soon. >> Yeah. So, it's it's coming out soon. It's It's It's >> Yeah, I want I want to I want to I want >> Yeah, I want I want to I want to I want >> Yeah, I want I want to I want to I want to see that podcast. to see that podcast. to see that podcast. >> He's a really cool guy and >> He's a really cool guy and >> He's a really cool guy and >> very talented. >> very talented. >> very talented. >> Well, no kidding because I actually know >> Well, no kidding because I actually know >> Well, no kidding because I actually know about his work cuz I'm a huge Johnny about his work cuz I'm a huge Johnny about his work cuz I'm a huge Johnny Cash fan. Okay. Cash fan. Okay. Cash fan. Okay. >> And I thought that Johnny's American >> And I thought that Johnny's American >> And I thought that Johnny's American Recordings were the best work of his Recordings were the best work of his Recordings were the best work of his life. I kind of feel like Johnny's life. I kind of feel like Johnny's life. I kind of feel like Johnny's musical career, it's like bookended musical career, it's like bookended musical career, it's like bookended early Johnny, which I loved, and then early Johnny, which I loved, and then early Johnny, which I loved, and then later Johnny, which I loved. later Johnny, which I loved. later Johnny, which I loved. >> And and Rick, you know, you know the >> And and Rick, you know, you know the >> And and Rick, you know, you know the story. Johnny was playing this really story. Johnny was playing this really story. Johnny was playing this really small venue and Rick went to see him and small venue and Rick went to see him and small venue and Rick went to see him and said, "Hey, I think I could produce you said, "Hey, I think I could produce you said, "Hey, I think I could produce you and do something with you." And Johnny's and do something with you." And Johnny's and do something with you." And Johnny's looking at this guy with long hair and a looking at this guy with long hair and a looking at this guy with long hair and a beard like, "What are you going to do beard like, "What are you going to do beard like, "What are you going to do for me that no other producer has done?"

for me that no other producer has done?" for me that no other producer has done?" Said, "Just come over to my house and Said, "Just come over to my house and Said, "Just come over to my house and I'll [clears throat] set up some I'll [clears throat] set up some I'll [clears throat] set up some recording equipment and just play your recording equipment and just play your recording equipment and just play your guitar and sing your favorite songs." guitar and sing your favorite songs." guitar and sing your favorite songs." Well, he ended up using those recordings Well, he ended up using those recordings Well, he ended up using those recordings for the actual because he thought they for the actual because he thought they for the actual because he thought they were capturing something. So, I talked were capturing something. So, I talked were capturing something. So, I talked to Rick about that. to Rick about that. to Rick about that. >> And I said, "I heard a story that you >> And I said, "I heard a story that you >> And I said, "I heard a story that you guys did communion together guys did communion together guys did communion together >> before you would record." He says, "Oh, >> before you would record." He says, "Oh, >> before you would record." He says, "Oh, yeah, that's true." And I said, "So, yeah, that's true." And I said, "So, yeah, that's true." And I said, "So, what's the origin of that?" He said, "It what's the origin of that?" He said, "It what's the origin of that?" He said, "It was actually my idea that I I had seen was actually my idea that I I had seen was actually my idea that I I had seen some preacher talking about it on some preacher talking about it on some preacher talking about it on television how important communion was." television how important communion was." television how important communion was." And so, I said, "Johnny, could we do And so, I said, "Johnny, could we do And so, I said, "Johnny, could we do that?" And we had communion every time that?" And we had communion every time that?" And we had communion every time we went in to record. And then even we went in to record. And then even we went in to record. And then even after we're done recording, we'd get on after we're done recording, we'd get on after we're done recording, we'd get on the phone and do communion together. the phone and do communion together. the phone and do communion together. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So Rick is very open >> So Rick is very open >> So Rick is very open >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> to >> to >> to >> spiritual things. Very open to the >> spiritual things. Very open to the >> spiritual things. Very open to the gospel. We had a very interesting gospel. We had a very interesting gospel. We had a very interesting conversation. I think you would be conversation. I think you would be conversation. I think you would be interested. interested. interested. >> Yeah, I I will definitely check it. >> Yeah, I I will definitely check it. >> Yeah, I I will definitely check it. >> So he said, "Tell me about Christian >> So he said, "Tell me about Christian >> So he said, "Tell me about Christian music." And I said, "Well, music." And I said, "Well, music." And I said, "Well, >> contemporary Christian music." He says, >> contemporary Christian music." He says, >> contemporary Christian music." He says, "I've just started listening to it." I "I've just started listening to it." I "I've just started listening to it." I said, 'Really?' He goes, "Yeah, I wasn't said, 'Really?' He goes, "Yeah, I wasn't said, 'Really?' He goes, "Yeah, I wasn't really even aware of that aware of it really even aware of that aware of it really even aware of that aware of it until recently."

until recently." until recently." >> And so I told him kind of the origin >> And so I told him kind of the origin >> And so I told him kind of the origin story, how we were at Calvary Chapel and story, how we were at Calvary Chapel and story, how we were at Calvary Chapel and the Jesus movement was happening and the Jesus movement was happening and the Jesus movement was happening and love song came out and Larry Norman. I love song came out and Larry Norman. I love song came out and Larry Norman. I was kind of telling about all these was kind of telling about all these was kind of telling about all these different people and he said, "Yeah." different people and he said, "Yeah." different people and he said, "Yeah." And then he he said, um, I listen to And then he he said, um, I listen to And then he he said, um, I listen to this some of this music and I feel that this some of this music and I feel that this some of this music and I feel that a lot of it kind of sounds the same and a lot of it kind of sounds the same and a lot of it kind of sounds the same and I feel like there needs to be more like I feel like there needs to be more like I feel like there needs to be more like conflict or things they're dealing with conflict or things they're dealing with conflict or things they're dealing with and struggling with that just seems too and struggling with that just seems too and struggling with that just seems too tidy and neat. Almost like a Hallmark tidy and neat. Almost like a Hallmark tidy and neat. Almost like a Hallmark movie to me. I thought I said, "Okay, I movie to me. I thought I said, "Okay, I movie to me. I thought I said, "Okay, I see what you're saying." see what you're saying." see what you're saying." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I said, "Well, some of the earlier music >> I said, "Well, some of the earlier music >> I said, "Well, some of the earlier music was maybe a little more graphic." I was maybe a little more graphic." I was maybe a little more graphic." I recited some of the lyrics of that song recited some of the lyrics of that song recited some of the lyrics of that song from Larry and Norman. from Larry and Norman. from Larry and Norman. >> Oh, I remember it. >> Oh, I remember it. >> Oh, I remember it. >> Why don't you look into Jesus? Right. >> Why don't you look into Jesus? Right. >> Why don't you look into Jesus? Right. >> I gonna on Valentine's Day and all that >> I gonna on Valentine's Day and all that >> I gonna on Valentine's Day and all that and um he was listening and then he and um he was listening and then he and um he was listening and then he said, "I want to do an outlaw Christian said, "I want to do an outlaw Christian said, "I want to do an outlaw Christian record." record." record." >> I go, "Really?" He goes, "Yeah." I said, >> I go, "Really?" He goes, "Yeah." I said, >> I go, "Really?" He goes, "Yeah." I said, "You should definitely do that." Yeah. "You should definitely do that." Yeah. "You should definitely do that." Yeah. >> That's fascinating, isn't it?

>> That's fascinating, isn't it? >> That's fascinating, isn't it? >> Well, like I mean, you've been there >> Well, like I mean, you've been there >> Well, like I mean, you've been there really from the beginning. You really from the beginning. You really from the beginning. You discovered it as it was just starting to discovered it as it was just starting to discovered it as it was just starting to blossom. Then it exploded. Then it blossom. Then it exploded. Then it blossom. Then it exploded. Then it became an industry and now it's huge as became an industry and now it's huge as became an industry and now it's huge as you look at and I know you're a big part you look at and I know you're a big part you look at and I know you're a big part of it, but you're an artist and you look of it, but you're an artist and you look of it, but you're an artist and you look at you have things you like and maybe at you have things you like and maybe at you have things you like and maybe things you don't like and I don't want things you don't like and I don't want things you don't like and I don't want you to diss anyone or critique anyone, you to diss anyone or critique anyone, you to diss anyone or critique anyone, but how do you feel about the general but how do you feel about the general but how do you feel about the general direction that Christian music is taking direction that Christian music is taking direction that Christian music is taking right now? right now? right now? >> Do you like what you're seeing? >> Do you like what you're seeing? >> Do you like what you're seeing? >> You wish there was more of this, less of >> You wish there was more of this, less of >> You wish there was more of this, less of that? Well, I like it that it's popular that? Well, I like it that it's popular that? Well, I like it that it's popular and I like it because there's millions and I like it because there's millions and I like it because there's millions of people hearing the gospel for the of people hearing the gospel for the of people hearing the gospel for the first time. first time. first time. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> Like the Force, right thing. I mean, >> Like the Force, right thing. I mean, >> Like the Force, right thing. I mean, it's just it's just it's just >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> a phenomena, you know. >> a phenomena, you know. >> a phenomena, you know. >> I think there's some healthy things and >> I think there's some healthy things and >> I think there's some healthy things and I I've got some concerns. I I've got some concerns. I I've got some concerns. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, it just And it's maybe the >> You know, it just And it's maybe the >> You know, it just And it's maybe the social media thing and social media thing and social media thing and >> it just feels like there's a lot of >> it just feels like there's a lot of >> it just feels like there's a lot of celebrity celebrity celebrity >> and I don't think we're called to be a >> and I don't think we're called to be a >> and I don't think we're called to be a celebrity. And you can sit there and celebrity. And you can sit there and celebrity. And you can sit there and talk all day long that you're not a talk all day long that you're not a talk all day long that you're not a celebrity.

celebrity. celebrity. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But actions speak louder than words, you >> But actions speak louder than words, you >> But actions speak louder than words, you know, but you know, it's just my opinion know, but you know, it's just my opinion know, but you know, it's just my opinion and I I don't again I don't I don't want and I I don't again I don't I don't want and I I don't again I don't I don't want to throw anybody under the bus. I go to throw anybody under the bus. I go to throw anybody under the bus. I go back and look at back and look at back and look at >> the stuff I did in the early days and >> the stuff I did in the early days and >> the stuff I did in the early days and how many records did we sell? How many how many records did we sell? How many how many records did we sell? How many people are coming to the show? Did we people are coming to the show? Did we people are coming to the show? Did we sell out the arena? You know, it's like sell out the arena? You know, it's like sell out the arena? You know, it's like all those immature things that I sort of all those immature things that I sort of all those immature things that I sort of went through and I don't really care went through and I don't really care went through and I don't really care about that stuff anymore, you know. So, about that stuff anymore, you know. So, about that stuff anymore, you know. So, >> thank [snorts] God I'm growing up. I'm >> thank [snorts] God I'm growing up. I'm >> thank [snorts] God I'm growing up. I'm not all there yet, but you know, I'll not all there yet, but you know, I'll not all there yet, but you know, I'll just say this. One of my greatest goals just say this. One of my greatest goals just say this. One of my greatest goals in life, and I'm almost there, is that in life, and I'm almost there, is that in life, and I'm almost there, is that I'll never ever be offended by anyone I'll never ever be offended by anyone I'll never ever be offended by anyone ever again. ever again. ever again. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And I'm getting there. You know, >> And I'm getting there. You know, >> And I'm getting there. You know, >> really, I'm going to try to offend you >> really, I'm going to try to offend you >> really, I'm going to try to offend you right now, then. [laughter] right now, then. [laughter] right now, then. [laughter] >> Come on, let's do it. But no, I think >> Come on, let's do it. But no, I think >> Come on, let's do it. But no, I think there's some there's some there's some >> Yeah. And and again, I'm trying not to >> Yeah. And and again, I'm trying not to >> Yeah. And and again, I'm trying not to be judgmental, and I know I'm like I'm be judgmental, and I know I'm like I'm be judgmental, and I know I'm like I'm not the new kid on the block, you know? not the new kid on the block, you know? not the new kid on the block, you know? I've been doing this for 43 years, I've been doing this for 43 years, I've been doing this for 43 years, >> but that's why you should say something. >> but that's why you should say something. >> but that's why you should say something. Well, I do because I feel like I feel Well, I do because I feel like I feel Well, I do because I feel like I feel like I had It's crazy. I've known this like I had It's crazy. I've known this like I had It's crazy. I've known this for a long time. Um Don Finto, my mentor for a long time. Um Don Finto, my mentor for a long time. Um Don Finto, my mentor who's 96 years old.

who's 96 years old. who's 96 years old. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Um has talked to me about this for years >> Um has talked to me about this for years >> Um has talked to me about this for years that I think I'm supposed to father. that I think I'm supposed to father. that I think I'm supposed to father. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's part of my role and I think >> And that's part of my role and I think >> And that's part of my role and I think I'm going to continue to make records. I I'm going to continue to make records. I I'm going to continue to make records. I think my best work is ahead and I'm think my best work is ahead and I'm think my best work is ahead and I'm having a lot of fun doing it. having a lot of fun doing it. having a lot of fun doing it. >> Um but I don't really care if it sells. >> Um but I don't really care if it sells. >> Um but I don't really care if it sells. I don't care if it's number one. I don't I don't care if it's number one. I don't I don't care if it's number one. I don't care if it's on the radio. It's like so care if it's on the radio. It's like so care if it's on the radio. It's like so all that stuff is a very freeing place all that stuff is a very freeing place all that stuff is a very freeing place to be. But I get lots of people, lots of to be. But I get lots of people, lots of to be. But I get lots of people, lots of these kids coming. How'd you do it? these kids coming. How'd you do it? these kids coming. How'd you do it? >> You're married to the same woman for >> You're married to the same woman for >> You're married to the same woman for almost 45 years this September. almost 45 years this September. almost 45 years this September. >> How'd you survive success? >> How'd you survive success? >> How'd you survive success? >> And >> And >> And I feel like I'm supposed to sew into I feel like I'm supposed to sew into I feel like I'm supposed to sew into these. these. these. >> Well, tell me the answer to that >> Well, tell me the answer to that >> Well, tell me the answer to that question because that is a good question because that is a good question because that is a good question. question. question. >> How have you had a long lasting marriage >> How have you had a long lasting marriage >> How have you had a long lasting marriage and survived all of this? Yeah. and survived all of this? Yeah. and survived all of this? Yeah. >> When others haven't. >> When others haven't. >> When others haven't. >> Yeah. Uh well, first of all, I married a >> Yeah. Uh well, first of all, I married a >> Yeah. Uh well, first of all, I married a great woman. Okay. great woman. Okay. great woman. Okay. >> Who's a woman of God? >> Who's a woman of God? >> Who's a woman of God? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I mean, just >> I mean, just >> I mean, just like makes me raise my game up because like makes me raise my game up because like makes me raise my game up because every morning I when I walk into the every morning I when I walk into the every morning I when I walk into the kitchen, she's in the word just Old kitchen, she's in the word just Old kitchen, she's in the word just Old Testament dude. She's just in the word Testament dude. She's just in the word Testament dude. She's just in the word every single morning.

every single morning. every single morning. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Her prayer life's amazing. She's in >> Her prayer life's amazing. She's in >> Her prayer life's amazing. She's in three prayer groups. We have a prayer three prayer groups. We have a prayer three prayer groups. We have a prayer group that's been together for 35 years. group that's been together for 35 years. group that's been together for 35 years. >> Um I've had a mentor. >> Um I've had a mentor. >> Um I've had a mentor. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For 42 years. That's a 96 year old guy. >> For 42 years. That's a 96 year old guy. >> For 42 years. That's a 96 year old guy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's still alive and still kicking and >> He's still alive and still kicking and >> He's still alive and still kicking and sharp as ever. sharp as ever. sharp as ever. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Um and then just >> Um and then just >> Um and then just >> who do you surround yourself with? >> who do you surround yourself with? >> who do you surround yourself with? >> You surround yourself with good people. >> You surround yourself with good people. >> You surround yourself with good people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or you surround yourself with not so >> Or you surround yourself with not so >> Or you surround yourself with not so good people. good people. good people. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And there's ramifications of both of >> And there's ramifications of both of >> And there's ramifications of both of those. Surround yourself with great those. Surround yourself with great those. Surround yourself with great people, people, people, >> then you got a good chance of being able >> then you got a good chance of being able >> then you got a good chance of being able to do this pretty well, you know. Well, to do this pretty well, you know. Well, to do this pretty well, you know. Well, younger Michael found out what happened younger Michael found out what happened younger Michael found out what happened when you got around the wrong people when you got around the wrong people when you got around the wrong people that influenced you in a bad way. that influenced you in a bad way. that influenced you in a bad way. >> But then later, God, I I think you've >> But then later, God, I I think you've >> But then later, God, I I think you've just revealed part of it, just revealed part of it, just revealed part of it, >> which is you're grounded and connected >> which is you're grounded and connected >> which is you're grounded and connected with real people. with real people. with real people. >> It's very easy in what you do and even >> It's very easy in what you do and even >> It's very easy in what you do and even what I do, what I do, what I do, >> uh, is to be isolated and be in sort of >> uh, is to be isolated and be in sort of >> uh, is to be isolated and be in sort of a bubble. Yeah.

a bubble. Yeah. a bubble. Yeah. >> And you, you know, your wife's in prayer >> And you, you know, your wife's in prayer >> And you, you know, your wife's in prayer groups and you're you have a mentor. you groups and you're you have a mentor. you groups and you're you have a mentor. you have someone you listen to, someone who have someone you listen to, someone who have someone you listen to, someone who probably could correct you if necessary. probably could correct you if necessary. probably could correct you if necessary. You could ask advice from I know you're You could ask advice from I know you're You could ask advice from I know you're involved in the church. We've talked involved in the church. We've talked involved in the church. We've talked about that before because a lot of times about that before because a lot of times about that before because a lot of times when you're, you know, you can be a when you're, you know, you can be a when you're, you know, you can be a Christian artist traveling all the time, Christian artist traveling all the time, Christian artist traveling all the time, not be a part of a church, not be a part of a church, not be a part of a church, >> not be reading your Bible every day, not >> not be reading your Bible every day, not >> not be reading your Bible every day, not be just living really like a normal be just living really like a normal be just living really like a normal Christian to start with because it Christian to start with because it Christian to start with because it becomes a career there. It's not bad becomes a career there. It's not bad becomes a career there. It's not bad that it's your career, but it I think it that it's your career, but it I think it that it's your career, but it I think it needs to start from your relationship needs to start from your relationship needs to start from your relationship with God for it to be effective. with God for it to be effective. with God for it to be effective. >> Well, you you have to fight for it >> Well, you you have to fight for it >> Well, you you have to fight for it because um because um because um >> I'll just go on record and say it's a >> I'll just go on record and say it's a >> I'll just go on record and say it's a >> it's a wonderful and a strange life. >> it's a wonderful and a strange life. >> it's a wonderful and a strange life. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I mean, it's it's the the perks are >> I mean, it's it's the the perks are >> I mean, it's it's the the perks are amazing. I mean, golly, the fact I get amazing. I mean, golly, the fact I get amazing. I mean, golly, the fact I get to do what I love to do to do what I love to do to do what I love to do >> and that in my humble opinion, I think >> and that in my humble opinion, I think >> and that in my humble opinion, I think music is the most powerful music is the most powerful music is the most powerful universal language in the world.

universal language in the world. universal language in the world. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that the your music has completely >> And that the your music has completely >> And that the your music has completely changed millions of people. That blows changed millions of people. That blows changed millions of people. That blows my mind. my mind. my mind. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I I know that's not me. >> And I I know that's not me. >> And I I know that's not me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um but then it's the sort of accolades >> Um but then it's the sort of accolades >> Um but then it's the sort of accolades and all the people put you on a pedestal and all the people put you on a pedestal and all the people put you on a pedestal and then and then and then >> you try to >> you try to >> you try to lower the temp on the celebrity thing lower the temp on the celebrity thing lower the temp on the celebrity thing and sometimes that doesn't always work and sometimes that doesn't always work and sometimes that doesn't always work and then you don't feel like you can go and then you don't feel like you can go and then you don't feel like you can go anywhere. And then and then I like being anywhere. And then and then I like being anywhere. And then and then I like being by myself cuz I'm an introvert and an by myself cuz I'm an introvert and an by myself cuz I'm an introvert and an extrovert. extrovert. extrovert. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm the same way. Yeah. >> You know, I'm the same way. Yeah. >> You know, I'm the same way. Yeah. >> Yeah. And so, >> Yeah. And so, >> Yeah. And so, >> but I know every night I I do I do it >> but I know every night I I do I do it >> but I know every night I I do I do it every night when I go out there going, every night when I go out there going, every night when I go out there going, God, I know this is not about me. So, God, I know this is not about me. So, God, I know this is not about me. So, two things. I want to walk I'm walk I'm two things. I want to walk I'm walk I'm two things. I want to walk I'm walk I'm clothing myself with humility tonight clothing myself with humility tonight clothing myself with humility tonight >> and let my posture be beautiful to you. >> and let my posture be beautiful to you. >> and let my posture be beautiful to you. And any admiration or any stuff coming And any admiration or any stuff coming And any admiration or any stuff coming at me, I just def I deflect it. I just at me, I just def I deflect it. I just at me, I just def I deflect it. I just deflect the glory because I know this is deflect the glory because I know this is deflect the glory because I know this is not about me. So may you be glorified not about me. So may you be glorified not about me. So may you be glorified everything I say in everything I do.

everything I say in everything I do. everything I say in everything I do. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah. >> Well, you know, coming back to Billy >> Well, you know, coming back to Billy >> Well, you know, coming back to Billy Graham, I mean, he is one of the Graham, I mean, he is one of the Graham, I mean, he is one of the probably the most famous person I ever probably the most famous person I ever probably the most famous person I ever met. met. met. >> And I spent time with him as you did. >> And I spent time with him as you did. >> And I spent time with him as you did. And I remember one time we did a And I remember one time we did a And I remember one time we did a crusade. Well, he's preached. I was just crusade. Well, he's preached. I was just crusade. Well, he's preached. I was just there. Portland, Oregon. So, we come off there. Portland, Oregon. So, we come off there. Portland, Oregon. So, we come off the stage and there are people lined up the stage and there are people lined up the stage and there are people lined up in both sides, you know, just in awe of in both sides, you know, just in awe of in both sides, you know, just in awe of Billy. Like, it's almost like Moses was Billy. Like, it's almost like Moses was Billy. Like, it's almost like Moses was walking through the midst of Billy just walking through the midst of Billy just walking through the midst of Billy just kind of had his head down kind of had his head down kind of had his head down >> and we get in the car and so Billy's in >> and we get in the car and so Billy's in >> and we get in the car and so Billy's in the back seat. Franklin's sitting next the back seat. Franklin's sitting next the back seat. Franklin's sitting next to him. I'm riding shotgun. You may to him. I'm riding shotgun. You may to him. I'm riding shotgun. You may remember TWW Wilson. He was driving the remember TWW Wilson. He was driving the remember TWW Wilson. He was driving the car. So, we're driving out. car. So, we're driving out. car. So, we're driving out. >> So, I I turn around back toward I said, >> So, I I turn around back toward I said, >> So, I I turn around back toward I said, "Billy, that was a great message "Billy, that was a great message "Billy, that was a great message tonight." He looks at me and says, tonight." He looks at me and says, tonight." He looks at me and says, "Well, it's just gospel." We turn back "Well, it's just gospel." We turn back "Well, it's just gospel." We turn back around [laughter] like, "Well, I know." around [laughter] like, "Well, I know." around [laughter] like, "Well, I know." They thought, "Maybe I'll talk about a They thought, "Maybe I'll talk about a They thought, "Maybe I'll talk about a particular point." Billy [laughter] particular point." Billy [laughter] particular point." Billy [laughter] said, "I loved it when you said Christ said, "I loved it when you said Christ said, "I loved it when you said Christ can reensitize your conscience." And can reensitize your conscience." And can reensitize your conscience." And Billy said, "Well, he can." I just Billy said, "Well, he can." I just Billy said, "Well, he can." I just turned back around. So, here's my lesson turned back around. So, here's my lesson turned back around. So, here's my lesson I learned. That's funny.

I learned. That's funny. I learned. That's funny. >> He didn't want to be complimented. He >> He didn't want to be complimented. He >> He didn't want to be complimented. He did his job. did his job. did his job. >> Yeah. now. But then we go back to his >> Yeah. now. But then we go back to his >> Yeah. now. But then we go back to his hotel room and someone gave us some hotel room and someone gave us some hotel room and someone gave us some roast beef sandwiches at the beginning roast beef sandwiches at the beginning roast beef sandwiches at the beginning of the night which were now completely of the night which were now completely of the night which were now completely cold. So we go back to his room. We're cold. So we go back to his room. We're cold. So we go back to his room. We're going to eat these sandwiches. Billy going to eat these sandwiches. Billy going to eat these sandwiches. Billy disappears in a room. Comes back out in disappears in a room. Comes back out in disappears in a room. Comes back out in his pajamas in his dress shoes. So I his pajamas in his dress shoes. So I his pajamas in his dress shoes. So I guess he left his slippers at home. He guess he left his slippers at home. He guess he left his slippers at home. He was surrounded by these guys he's known was surrounded by these guys he's known was surrounded by these guys he's known for years. They're telling old stories. for years. They're telling old stories. for years. They're telling old stories. They're laughing like he wanted to be They're laughing like he wanted to be They're laughing like he wanted to be just regular guy. And and I thought this just regular guy. And and I thought this just regular guy. And and I thought this is this is really an important key. And is this is really an important key. And is this is really an important key. And I was with him in public places and I was with him in public places and I was with him in public places and people would approach him. He was always people would approach him. He was always people would approach him. He was always approachable. approachable. approachable. >> How are you? In fact, when you talk to >> How are you? In fact, when you talk to >> How are you? In fact, when you talk to Billy, you know, you would ask him Billy, you know, you would ask him Billy, you know, you would ask him questions. So, Billy, tell me about when questions. So, Billy, tell me about when questions. So, Billy, tell me about when you met Golden Air or tell me about when you met Golden Air or tell me about when you met Golden Air or tell me about when you met Muhammad Ali, and he would say a you met Muhammad Ali, and he would say a you met Muhammad Ali, and he would say a couple things and then he'd say, tell me couple things and then he'd say, tell me couple things and then he'd say, tell me about yourself. about yourself. about yourself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it was genuine, right? >> But it was genuine, right? >> But it was genuine, right? >> Uh those are great qualities. >> Uh those are great qualities. >> Uh those are great qualities. >> So, that that's good to be aware of >> So, that that's good to be aware of >> So, that that's good to be aware of that. You know, one thing I think in the that. You know, one thing I think in the that. You know, one thing I think in the early days of the Jesus movement, a lot early days of the Jesus movement, a lot early days of the Jesus movement, a lot of our songs spoke to non-believers.

of our songs spoke to non-believers. of our songs spoke to non-believers. Really, I think in its inception, it was Really, I think in its inception, it was Really, I think in its inception, it was designed to just express what we were designed to just express what we were designed to just express what we were experiencing. So, these musicians, you experiencing. So, these musicians, you experiencing. So, these musicians, you know, wrote these songs that talked know, wrote these songs that talked know, wrote these songs that talked about it. Love song as an example. They about it. Love song as an example. They about it. Love song as an example. They had a song, Two Hands. You may remember had a song, Two Hands. You may remember had a song, Two Hands. You may remember it. I did. it. I did. it. I did. >> The lyrics were, "We're all gathered >> The lyrics were, "We're all gathered >> The lyrics were, "We're all gathered here because we all believe. If there's here because we all believe. If there's here because we all believe. If there's a doubter in the crowd, we ask you not a doubter in the crowd, we ask you not a doubter in the crowd, we ask you not to leave. Give a listen to the story. to leave. Give a listen to the story. to leave. Give a listen to the story. you hear the message that we bring. Let you hear the message that we bring. Let you hear the message that we bring. Let the face swell up inside you. Lift your the face swell up inside you. Lift your the face swell up inside you. Lift your voice with us and sing. Accept him with voice with us and sing. Accept him with voice with us and sing. Accept him with your whole heart and use your own two your whole heart and use your own two your whole heart and use your own two hands. With one reach out to Jesus, with hands. With one reach out to Jesus, with hands. With one reach out to Jesus, with the other bring a friend. the other bring a friend. the other bring a friend. >> So if you would go to church, you would >> So if you would go to church, you would >> So if you would go to church, you would sit there and kind of hear the gospel. sit there and kind of hear the gospel. sit there and kind of hear the gospel. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so what I would like to see more of >> And so what I would like to see more of >> And so what I would like to see more of in Christian music, I love the praise. I in Christian music, I love the praise. I in Christian music, I love the praise. I love the worship. It's fantastic. We love the worship. It's fantastic. We love the worship. It's fantastic. We have it in the Crusades. And I think it have it in the Crusades. And I think it have it in the Crusades. And I think it just moves people powerfully and just moves people powerfully and just moves people powerfully and prepares their heart for the gospel. But prepares their heart for the gospel. But prepares their heart for the gospel. But I would like to hear more songs almost I would like to hear more songs almost I would like to hear more songs almost addressed to a non-believer. Yeah. addressed to a non-believer. Yeah. addressed to a non-believer. Yeah. >> Say this is what has happened. It could >> Say this is what has happened. It could >> Say this is what has happened. It could be testimony. It can be gospel be testimony. It can be gospel be testimony. It can be gospel proclamation done in an artistic way.

proclamation done in an artistic way. proclamation done in an artistic way. You know, You know, You know, >> I totally agree. >> I totally agree. >> I totally agree. >> You know, you should write a song about >> You know, you should write a song about >> You know, you should write a song about when you were 17 years old and having a when you were 17 years old and having a when you were 17 years old and having a drug overdose cuz no one would expect a drug overdose cuz no one would expect a drug overdose cuz no one would expect a song like that from you. Yeah. song like that from you. Yeah. song like that from you. Yeah. >> But I mean that's part of your life and >> But I mean that's part of your life and >> But I mean that's part of your life and kind of like you know cuz it's been said kind of like you know cuz it's been said kind of like you know cuz it's been said success builds walls and failure builds success builds walls and failure builds success builds walls and failure builds bridges. bridges. bridges. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know when you're all that and a bag >> You know when you're all that and a bag >> You know when you're all that and a bag of chips and I've had all these great of chips and I've had all these great of chips and I've had all these great things happen. Okay. You're successful. things happen. Okay. You're successful. things happen. Okay. You're successful. Who can relate to that? But when you Who can relate to that? But when you Who can relate to that? But when you talk about struggles and failures, talk about struggles and failures, talk about struggles and failures, everyone can relate to that. everyone can relate to that. everyone can relate to that. >> Yeah. I have a couple songs like that on >> Yeah. I have a couple songs like that on >> Yeah. I have a couple songs like that on my record. my record. my record. >> You're writing? >> You're writing? >> You're writing? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> It's not released yet, but >> It's not released yet, but >> It's not released yet, but >> Okay. Pretty. >> Okay. Pretty. >> Okay. Pretty. >> Pretty raw. >> Pretty raw. >> Pretty raw. >> Well, that's that would be surprising. >> Well, that's that would be surprising. >> Well, that's that would be surprising. and powerful. and powerful. and powerful. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so I encourage you to continue on >> And so I encourage you to continue on >> And so I encourage you to continue on doing that. doing that. doing that. >> So you started something called Rocket >> So you started something called Rocket >> So you started something called Rocket Town. Tell me what that is and what you Town. Tell me what that is and what you Town. Tell me what that is and what you do. do. do. >> Crazy story. Uh 1991 I was in a little >> Crazy story. Uh 1991 I was in a little >> Crazy story. Uh 1991 I was in a little red Miata. Thought I was having a red Miata. Thought I was having a red Miata. Thought I was having a midlife crisis. Probably not. But um midlife crisis. Probably not. But um midlife crisis. Probably not. But um there was a cruising problem in there was a cruising problem in there was a cruising problem in Franklin, Tennessee, where I live. Wow.

Franklin, Tennessee, where I live. Wow. Franklin, Tennessee, where I live. Wow. And they started doing curfews and I And they started doing curfews and I And they started doing curfews and I just thought and and let me just back up just thought and and let me just back up just thought and and let me just back up and say that I thought if the whole and say that I thought if the whole and say that I thought if the whole music thing doesn't work out for me, I'm music thing doesn't work out for me, I'm music thing doesn't work out for me, I'm going to be a youth pastor. going to be a youth pastor. going to be a youth pastor. >> Wow, that's so cool. >> Wow, that's so cool. >> Wow, that's so cool. >> Because of what I went through. >> Because of what I went through. >> Because of what I went through. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I can identify. >> I can identify. >> I can identify. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think I So I can identify the >> And I think I So I can identify the >> And I think I So I can identify the whole drug thing. Whatever. Whatever. whole drug thing. Whatever. Whatever. whole drug thing. Whatever. Whatever. 1991 I just released Go Man record and I 1991 I just released Go Man record and I 1991 I just released Go Man record and I go down and I park on the corn and all go down and I park on the corn and all go down and I park on the corn and all these kids are cruising and I hear the these kids are cruising and I hear the these kids are cruising and I hear the voice of God. I don't say it very often voice of God. I don't say it very often voice of God. I don't say it very often like it's almost an audible thing. Build like it's almost an audible thing. Build like it's almost an audible thing. Build it and they'll come. I went it and they'll come. I went it and they'll come. I went >> that's the Kevin Cosner. That's what >> that's the Kevin Cosner. That's what >> that's the Kevin Cosner. That's what dreams. dreams. dreams. >> Yeah. F that's filled of dreams. I kept >> Yeah. F that's filled of dreams. I kept >> Yeah. F that's filled of dreams. I kept hearing build it and they'll come. Build hearing build it and they'll come. Build hearing build it and they'll come. Build it and they'll come. M it and they'll come. M it and they'll come. M >> and I thought and I started flushing out >> and I thought and I started flushing out >> and I thought and I started flushing out my egg going build a facility and uh my egg going build a facility and uh my egg going build a facility and uh impact the youth of this city. Wow. impact the youth of this city. Wow. impact the youth of this city. Wow. >> Not just Franklin but Nashville. >> Not just Franklin but Nashville. >> Not just Franklin but Nashville. >> And I did all this research. They said >> And I did all this research. They said >> And I did all this research. They said it wouldn't work. We opened up in '94.

it wouldn't work. We opened up in '94. it wouldn't work. We opened up in '94. >> Had a little coffee house. Then we moved >> Had a little coffee house. Then we moved >> Had a little coffee house. Then we moved to this church that gave us their to this church that gave us their to this church that gave us their building and we had 600 people show up building and we had 600 people show up building and we had 600 people show up the first night. No advertisement. It the first night. No advertisement. It the first night. No advertisement. It had the big things waving in the air, had the big things waving in the air, had the big things waving in the air, the big lights, you know, the big lights, you know, the big lights, you know, >> and it was back then it was the rave. >> and it was back then it was the rave. >> and it was back then it was the rave. The rays were the big thing, the whole The rays were the big thing, the whole The rays were the big thing, the whole dancing thing. So, we just tried to pull dancing thing. So, we just tried to pull dancing thing. So, we just tried to pull kids in, kids in, kids in, >> tried to make it >> tried to make it >> tried to make it >> very >> very >> very non-Christian from a from, you know, non-Christian from a from, you know, non-Christian from a from, you know, being like a Bible club. We were trying being like a Bible club. We were trying being like a Bible club. We were trying to attract kids who don't know the Lord. to attract kids who don't know the Lord. to attract kids who don't know the Lord. >> And we made lots of mistakes. God trying >> And we made lots of mistakes. God trying >> And we made lots of mistakes. God trying to be all things to all people. And then to be all things to all people. And then to be all things to all people. And then >> it's a long story. I'm going to write a >> it's a long story. I'm going to write a >> it's a long story. I'm going to write a book about it one day, but whatever. We book about it one day, but whatever. We book about it one day, but whatever. We closed in 97. Coline happened. We were closed in 97. Coline happened. We were closed in 97. Coline happened. We were still meeting people, kids in coffee still meeting people, kids in coffee still meeting people, kids in coffee houses and Coline happened and I came houses and Coline happened and I came houses and Coline happened and I came back and thought if we had had a rocket back and thought if we had had a rocket back and thought if we had had a rocket town in Littleton, Colorado, I think we town in Littleton, Colorado, I think we town in Littleton, Colorado, I think we could have prevented that tragedy. So, could have prevented that tragedy. So, could have prevented that tragedy. So, we reopened and I had a good very good we reopened and I had a good very good we reopened and I had a good very good friend who I I can't say his name, I'll friend who I I can't say his name, I'll friend who I I can't say his name, I'll tell you later. Who said I'll match tell you later. Who said I'll match tell you later. Who said I'll match whatever you can raise whatever you can raise whatever you can raise >> in three months and we raised $2.3 >> in three months and we raised $2.3 >> in three months and we raised $2.3 million.

million. million. >> And then he matched it with 2.4. George >> And then he matched it with 2.4. George >> And then he matched it with 2.4. George Herbert Walker Bush was my campaign Herbert Walker Bush was my campaign Herbert Walker Bush was my campaign chairman. Uh-huh. chairman. Uh-huh. chairman. Uh-huh. >> And we built this facility in downtown >> And we built this facility in downtown >> And we built this facility in downtown Nashville. We had to move one time just Nashville. We had to move one time just Nashville. We had to move one time just three blocks away and we're still in the three blocks away and we're still in the three blocks away and we're still in the heart of Nashville. Everything is brand heart of Nashville. Everything is brand heart of Nashville. Everything is brand new around us. They've torn everything new around us. They've torn everything new around us. They've torn everything down down down >> and we're right in the heart of it. And >> and we're right in the heart of it. And >> and we're right in the heart of it. And we're seeing kids come know Christ every we're seeing kids come know Christ every we're seeing kids come know Christ every single week. single week. single week. >> So that's been going on a long time. >> So that's been going on a long time. >> So that's been going on a long time. >> Long time. There's a quote you gave in >> Long time. There's a quote you gave in >> Long time. There's a quote you gave in an interview. The greatest joy of my an interview. The greatest joy of my an interview. The greatest joy of my life is not another music award, but life is not another music award, but life is not another music award, but hearing a kid tell me, "I was hearing a kid tell me, "I was hearing a kid tell me, "I was contemplating suicide, but I came to contemplating suicide, but I came to contemplating suicide, but I came to Rocket Town. heard the truth and got Rocket Town. heard the truth and got Rocket Town. heard the truth and got loved on. That's a good statement. loved on. That's a good statement. loved on. That's a good statement. >> Doesn't get much better than that. >> Doesn't get much better than that. >> Doesn't get much better than that. >> And you've seen that happen. >> And you've seen that happen. >> And you've seen that happen. >> Week weekly. It's happening. >> Week weekly. It's happening. >> Week weekly. It's happening. >> What's more important? >> What's more important? >> What's more important? >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Saving a life. >> Saving a life. >> Saving a life. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. That's >> Wow. That's >> Wow. That's >> that's really all. We have indoor skate >> that's really all. We have indoor skate >> that's really all. We have indoor skate park and there's there's a church that park and there's there's a church that park and there's there's a church that meets there. We have a we have a music meets there. We have a we have a music meets there. We have a we have a music studio. We have a dance deal. We have studio. We have a dance deal. We have studio. We have a dance deal. We have after school programs. Found out kids after school programs. Found out kids after school programs. Found out kids were starving. We have food program. We were starving. We have food program. We were starving. We have food program. We have a lot of kids from the projects have a lot of kids from the projects have a lot of kids from the projects that come. But we have all that come. But we have all that come. But we have all >> We got them all.

>> We got them all. >> We got them all. >> Wow. And they love it because they come >> Wow. And they love it because they come >> Wow. And they love it because they come because they're not judged and every because they're not judged and every because they're not judged and every staff member knows everything about staff member knows everything about staff member knows everything about them, their dog's name, everything. them, their dog's name, everything. them, their dog's name, everything. >> Typical kid. Mom's a prostitute, dad's >> Typical kid. Mom's a prostitute, dad's >> Typical kid. Mom's a prostitute, dad's in jail. in jail. in jail. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> You know, so and we're seeing some >> You know, so and we're seeing some >> You know, so and we're seeing some really beautiful things happen. really beautiful things happen. really beautiful things happen. >> Have you met Alice Cooper? >> Have you met Alice Cooper? >> Have you met Alice Cooper? >> I haven't. I know Alice. >> I haven't. I know Alice. >> I haven't. I know Alice. >> So Alice, >> So Alice, >> So Alice, >> he's got we kind of the same thing. >> he's got we kind of the same thing. >> he's got we kind of the same thing. >> It's such a similar story >> It's such a similar story >> It's such a similar story >> cuz he's been he's been to Rocket Town. >> cuz he's been he's been to Rocket Town. >> cuz he's been he's been to Rocket Town. Yeah, I've been to his place. We've tal Yeah, I've been to his place. We've tal Yeah, I've been to his place. We've tal we've we've talked a lot about we've we've talked a lot about we've we've talked a lot about >> he was overdosing on a he said a a rock >> he was overdosing on a he said a a rock >> he was overdosing on a he said a a rock of cocaine the size of a softball of cocaine the size of a softball of cocaine the size of a softball >> and it was so bad he said he looked in >> and it was so bad he said he looked in >> and it was so bad he said he looked in the mirror and saw blood coming out of the mirror and saw blood coming out of the mirror and saw blood coming out of his eyes. He said I don't know if I was his eyes. He said I don't know if I was his eyes. He said I don't know if I was hallucinating or if it was hallucinating or if it was hallucinating or if it was >> real but all I knew is I was going to >> real but all I knew is I was going to >> real but all I knew is I was going to die and he called out to God and he got die and he called out to God and he got die and he called out to God and he got right with the Lord. Yeah. right with the Lord. Yeah. right with the Lord. Yeah. >> And then later he started something very >> And then later he started something very >> And then later he started something very similar to what you're talking about. similar to what you're talking about. similar to what you're talking about. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> Yeah. So now let me ask you some kind of >> Yeah. So now let me ask you some kind of >> Yeah. So now let me ask you some kind of um um um >> I don't know how to describe these.

>> I don't know how to describe these. >> I don't know how to describe these. >> Don't go full on theology on me. I'll be >> Don't go full on theology on me. I'll be >> Don't go full on theology on me. I'll be in trouble. in trouble. in trouble. >> Yes. Okay. [laughter] What's What's the >> Yes. Okay. [laughter] What's What's the >> Yes. Okay. [laughter] What's What's the order of end time events? No. Ex explain order of end time events? No. Ex explain order of end time events? No. Ex explain I'm in trouble. Explain the sovereignty I'm in trouble. Explain the sovereignty I'm in trouble. Explain the sovereignty of God. No kidding. Okay. So here's some of God. No kidding. Okay. So here's some of God. No kidding. Okay. So here's some simple questions. Um now you've met a simple questions. Um now you've met a simple questions. Um now you've met a lot of famous people. You don't brag. I lot of famous people. You don't brag. I lot of famous people. You don't brag. I like that about you. But you have met a like that about you. But you have met a like that about you. But you have met a lot of famous people. lot of famous people. lot of famous people. >> Who were you most starruck by? Like oh >> Who were you most starruck by? Like oh >> Who were you most starruck by? Like oh whoa. tongue tied maybe like I don't whoa. tongue tied maybe like I don't whoa. tongue tied maybe like I don't know what to say. know what to say. know what to say. >> Probably John Williams who's my musical >> Probably John Williams who's my musical >> Probably John Williams who's my musical hero who's hero who's hero who's >> what a talent. >> what a talent. >> what a talent. >> Raiders lost. >> Raiders lost. >> Raiders lost. >> You see that documentary on him? >> You see that documentary on him? >> You see that documentary on him? >> Oh, it's unbelievable. I cry every time >> Oh, it's unbelievable. I cry every time >> Oh, it's unbelievable. I cry every time I watch it. I watch it. I watch it. >> I didn't realize how many songs he had >> I didn't realize how many songs he had >> I didn't realize how many songs he had written until I watched that. written until I watched that. written until I watched that. >> It's the melodies. The melodies and he's >> It's the melodies. The melodies and he's >> It's the melodies. The melodies and he's still my musical hero. still my musical hero. still my musical hero. >> Wow. When you write a song, do you >> Wow. When you write a song, do you >> Wow. When you write a song, do you usually start with a melody with the usually start with a melody with the usually start with a melody with the lyric or does it vary from song to song? lyric or does it vary from song to song? lyric or does it vary from song to song? >> It's usually a melody and sometimes >> It's usually a melody and sometimes >> It's usually a melody and sometimes there's an idea. I mean, I don't know. there's an idea. I mean, I don't know. there's an idea. I mean, I don't know. One day I'm one hour I'm writing a One day I'm one hour I'm writing a One day I'm one hour I'm writing a worship song. The next day I'm writing worship song. The next day I'm writing worship song. The next day I'm writing some jazz number. Then I'm writing a some jazz number. Then I'm writing a some jazz number. Then I'm writing a cinematic piece of music. You know I've cinematic piece of music. You know I've cinematic piece of music. You know I've scored films.

scored films. scored films. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Um you know I've done two instrumental >> Um you know I've done two instrumental >> Um you know I've done two instrumental records. You know I just never know records. You know I just never know records. You know I just never know what's going to come out you know. So what's going to come out you know. So what's going to come out you know. So >> but John's [snorts] been the he's been >> but John's [snorts] been the he's been >> but John's [snorts] been the he's been >> Have you met him? >> Have you met him? >> Have you met him? >> I have. So that was the guy you were >> I have. So that was the guy you were >> I have. So that was the guy you were starruck by. starruck by. starruck by. >> What did you say to him? >> What did you say to him? >> What did you say to him? >> I just said you have no idea. I mean he >> I just said you have no idea. I mean he >> I just said you have no idea. I mean he did he know who you were? did he know who you were? did he know who you were? >> I don't think so. And that's okay. you >> I don't think so. And that's okay. you >> I don't think so. And that's okay. you know, you just had no idea how much of know, you just had no idea how much of know, you just had no idea how much of an influence you've been in my life. an influence you've been in my life. an influence you've been in my life. Thank you. That's what do you do? You Thank you. That's what do you do? You Thank you. That's what do you do? You can't really start a conversation. Just can't really start a conversation. Just can't really start a conversation. Just just thank you. Well, thank you very just thank you. Well, thank you very just thank you. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. So, much. I appreciate that. So, much. I appreciate that. So, >> yeah. I the guy I was the most star >> yeah. I the guy I was the most star >> yeah. I the guy I was the most star struck by is on a I was on a beach in struck by is on a I was on a beach in struck by is on a I was on a beach in Maui and I'm sitting there in my Maui and I'm sitting there in my Maui and I'm sitting there in my backpack is a cassette. This marks it in backpack is a cassette. This marks it in backpack is a cassette. This marks it in time of the Beatles love songs. It was a time of the Beatles love songs. It was a time of the Beatles love songs. It was a Ruby Lee of their love songs. Ruby Lee of their love songs. Ruby Lee of their love songs. >> Who sits behind me? George Harrison. >> Who sits behind me? George Harrison. >> Who sits behind me? George Harrison. >> Wow. and I hear his voice, that familiar >> Wow. and I hear his voice, that familiar >> Wow. and I hear his voice, that familiar liver podian accent. So I was so liver podian accent. So I was so liver podian accent. So I was so nervous. What do I say to George nervous. What do I say to George nervous. What do I say to George Harrison? Because I'm a huge Beatles Harrison? Because I'm a huge Beatles Harrison? Because I'm a huge Beatles fan. So I turned around, I said, fan. So I turned around, I said, fan. So I turned around, I said, "Appreciate all the music you've done "Appreciate all the music you've done "Appreciate all the music you've done over the years. He's just wearing over the years. He's just wearing over the years. He's just wearing sunglasses. He just looks at me. He sunglasses. He just looks at me. He sunglasses. He just looks at me. He doesn't even respond. He literally doesn't even respond. He literally doesn't even respond. He literally didn't acknowledge my existence." I turn didn't acknowledge my existence." I turn didn't acknowledge my existence." I turn back around. It's kind of like Billy in back around. It's kind of like Billy in back around. It's kind of like Billy in the car. No, really. I think, okay, the car. No, really. I think, okay, the car. No, really. I think, okay, forget it. So then the day went by, we forget it. So then the day went by, we forget it. So then the day went by, we were down at the beach and um actually were down at the beach and um actually were down at the beach and um actually it's funny, his son Danny didn't know it's funny, his son Danny didn't know it's funny, his son Danny didn't know how to boogie board and my oldest son how to boogie board and my oldest son how to boogie board and my oldest son Christopher was really good at it. So he Christopher was really good at it. So he Christopher was really good at it. So he spent the day showing Danny how to catch spent the day showing Danny how to catch spent the day showing Danny how to catch waves. So it's time to leave and this is waves. So it's time to leave and this is waves. So it's time to leave and this is the era of the traveling Wilburries.

the era of the traveling Wilburries. the era of the traveling Wilburries. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So I brought that up. I said, "Oh, you >> So I brought that up. I said, "Oh, you >> So I brought that up. I said, "Oh, you know, I wasn't giving up on this guy. know, I wasn't giving up on this guy. know, I wasn't giving up on this guy. You know, I love the Traveling You know, I love the Traveling You know, I love the Traveling Wilburries." Then he came to life. Then Wilburries." Then he came to life. Then Wilburries." Then he came to life. Then he started talking and oh, you're going he started talking and oh, you're going he started talking and oh, you're going to love the next record. And so it was a to love the next record. And so it was a to love the next record. And so it was a nice conversation. Then I read I was nice conversation. Then I read I was nice conversation. Then I read I was looking at a biography on him and it looking at a biography on him and it looking at a biography on him and it said George never liked to talk about said George never liked to talk about said George never liked to talk about the Beatles. I thought there that's I the Beatles. I thought there that's I the Beatles. I thought there that's I brought the wrong topic up. [laughter] brought the wrong topic up. [laughter] brought the wrong topic up. [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That's really >> That's really >> That's really >> So what what makes you angry? >> So what what makes you angry? >> So what what makes you angry? >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh probably the injustice that goes on in probably the injustice that goes on in probably the injustice that goes on in the world. the world. the world. >> Yeah, there's a lot of it. >> Yeah, there's a lot of it. >> Yeah, there's a lot of it. >> Sex slave. Yeah. The >> Sex slave. Yeah. The >> Sex slave. Yeah. The >> trafficking >> trafficking >> trafficking >> just just >> just just >> just just boils my blood. boils my blood. boils my blood. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And people get by with it. >> And people get by with it. >> And people get by with it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So >> Yeah. So >> Yeah. So >> a lot of injustice in this world. >> a lot of injustice in this world. >> a lot of injustice in this world. >> There is. >> There is. >> There is. >> So what makes you laugh? >> So what makes you laugh? >> So what makes you laugh? >> My grandkids. >> My grandkids. >> My grandkids. >> Oh yeah. Same for me. >> Oh yeah. Same for me. >> Oh yeah. Same for me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now this is you've heard this question >> Now this is you've heard this question >> Now this is you've heard this question before. It was kind of an interesting before. It was kind of an interesting before. It was kind of an interesting one. If you could have dinner with one. If you could have dinner with one. If you could have dinner with anyone alive or gone, anyone alive or gone, anyone alive or gone, maybe three other guests, you and three maybe three other guests, you and three maybe three other guests, you and three other guests, who would you want to have other guests, who would you want to have other guests, who would you want to have dinner with, hang out with?

dinner with, hang out with? dinner with, hang out with? >> Like three pe three guests. >> Like three pe three guests. >> Like three pe three guests. >> Anybody? It could be CS Lewis. It could >> Anybody? It could be CS Lewis. It could >> Anybody? It could be CS Lewis. It could be be be >> Yeah, I would say I would say uh >> Yeah, I would say I would say uh >> Yeah, I would say I would say uh >> you can't have Jesus. >> you can't have Jesus. >> you can't have Jesus. >> You can't have Jesus >> You can't have Jesus >> You can't have Jesus >> because we know he's going to be number >> because we know he's going to be number >> because we know he's going to be number one. one. one. >> I would say CS Lewis is probably a pick. >> I would say CS Lewis is probably a pick. >> I would say CS Lewis is probably a pick. Charles H. Charles H. Charles H. >> Yeah, he is cool. >> Yeah, he is cool. >> Yeah, he is cool. >> And Ronald Reagan. >> And Ronald Reagan. >> And Ronald Reagan. >> Oh yeah. when you got to meet Reagan for >> Oh yeah. when you got to meet Reagan for >> Oh yeah. when you got to meet Reagan for a reason. a reason. a reason. >> I know, but the >> I know, but the >> I know, but the >> I would go to that dinner. [laughter] >> I would go to that dinner. [laughter] >> I would go to that dinner. [laughter] >> I I'm a huge Reagan fan. >> I I'm a huge Reagan fan. >> I I'm a huge Reagan fan. >> Yeah, me too. >> Yeah, me too. >> Yeah, me too. >> And just watch Charlton H. >> And just watch Charlton H. >> And just watch Charlton H. >> Well, so am I, too. The the the movies, >> Well, so am I, too. The the the movies, >> Well, so am I, too. The the the movies, but but I I love going back and watching but but I I love going back and watching but but I I love going back and watching these YouTube clips of Reagan, these YouTube clips of Reagan, these YouTube clips of Reagan, >> these little snippet of the speeches >> these little snippet of the speeches >> these little snippet of the speeches that are unbelievable. They're just that are unbelievable. They're just that are unbelievable. They're just amazing. amazing. amazing. >> He was incredible. He was I mean I was >> He was incredible. He was I mean I was >> He was incredible. He was I mean I was thinking if they were going to put thinking if they were going to put thinking if they were going to put another face at Mount Rushmore, it another face at Mount Rushmore, it another face at Mount Rushmore, it should be Reagan. should be Reagan. should be Reagan. >> It should be Reagan. >> It should be Reagan. >> It should be Reagan. >> I mean I can there's other others you >> I mean I can there's other others you >> I mean I can there's other others you could consider but Ronald Reagan I mean could consider but Ronald Reagan I mean could consider but Ronald Reagan I mean he he changed things in the nation in a he he changed things in the nation in a he he changed things in the nation in a significant way. significant way. significant way. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> He is one of a kind. >> He is one of a kind. >> He is one of a kind. >> So like when what's your favorite kind >> So like when what's your favorite kind >> So like when what's your favorite kind of go-to food when you're hungry? Like of go-to food when you're hungry? Like of go-to food when you're hungry? Like oh man this is cuz you're so skinny.

oh man this is cuz you're so skinny. oh man this is cuz you're so skinny. Have you ever been overweight? Have you ever been overweight? Have you ever been overweight? Oh, maybe in the early days when I Yeah, Oh, maybe in the early days when I Yeah, Oh, maybe in the early days when I Yeah, maybe when I first moved to Nashville, I maybe when I first moved to Nashville, I maybe when I first moved to Nashville, I was like 180 or something like that, but was like 180 or something like that, but was like 180 or something like that, but I lo I lost it, you know. I got a high I lo I lost it, you know. I got a high I lo I lost it, you know. I got a high high metabolism. high metabolism. high metabolism. >> Do you >> Do you >> Do you >> um >> um >> um >> you know, I love sushi. I have to be >> you know, I love sushi. I have to be >> you know, I love sushi. I have to be careful with parasites and that kind of careful with parasites and that kind of careful with parasites and that kind of thing, you know, and because I've had thing, you know, and because I've had thing, you know, and because I've had some issues with some issues with some issues with >> you, especially when you go to these out >> you, especially when you go to these out >> you, especially when you go to these out with Franklin. We're all around the with Franklin. We're all around the with Franklin. We're all around the world and eating all this crazy Asian world and eating all this crazy Asian world and eating all this crazy Asian food and so you got to be really food and so you got to be really food and so you got to be really careful. careful. careful. >> Franklin loves McDonald's, doesn't he? >> Franklin loves McDonald's, doesn't he? >> Franklin loves McDonald's, doesn't he? >> Oh, believe me. >> Oh, believe me. >> Oh, believe me. >> I mean, it's real. He actually wrote a >> I mean, it's real. He actually wrote a >> I mean, it's real. He actually wrote a post the other day and he say, post the other day and he say, post the other day and he say, "McDonald's, please keep the fried apple "McDonald's, please keep the fried apple "McDonald's, please keep the fried apple pie and make sure it's the fried one." pie and make sure it's the fried one." pie and make sure it's the fried one." Then he says, "It's actually lower Then he says, "It's actually lower Then he says, "It's actually lower calorie than the baked one." I didn't calorie than the baked one." I didn't calorie than the baked one." I didn't never knew this. And it was like a whole never knew this. And it was like a whole never knew this. And it was like a whole post he did post he did post he did >> pleading with McDonald's to keep that >> pleading with McDonald's to keep that >> pleading with McDonald's to keep that pineapple. [laughter] pineapple. [laughter] pineapple. [laughter] >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> It's amazing. So sushi, that's it. >> It's amazing. So sushi, that's it. >> It's amazing. So sushi, that's it. >> Uh, you know, >> Uh, you know, >> Uh, you know, this is what I really love this is what I really love this is what I really love it comes to food. Deb and I have a new it comes to food. Deb and I have a new it comes to food. Deb and I have a new hobby and we've had it for five or six hobby and we've had it for five or six hobby and we've had it for five or six years. We built a greenhouse on our years. We built a greenhouse on our years. We built a greenhouse on our farm. We have a 200 acre farm 20 minutes farm. We have a 200 acre farm 20 minutes farm. We have a 200 acre farm 20 minutes 20 minutes from our house.

20 minutes from our house. 20 minutes from our house. >> And with this massive garden. >> And with this massive garden. >> And with this massive garden. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And like like the other day I picked >> And like like the other day I picked >> And like like the other day I picked >> 200 green beans. >> 200 green beans. >> 200 green beans. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> And thought I'd got them all and then >> And thought I'd got them all and then >> And thought I'd got them all and then found another 150. I picked eight found another 150. I picked eight found another 150. I picked eight squash. I picked four zucchini. squash. I picked four zucchini. squash. I picked four zucchini. >> And you take that food >> And you take that food >> And you take that food >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> and you eat it that night. >> and you eat it that night. >> and you eat it that night. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't get any better >> It doesn't get any better >> It doesn't get any better >> because it's so fresh. >> because it's so fresh. >> because it's so fresh. >> You're eating food right out of your >> You're eating food right out of your >> You're eating food right out of your garden. That's my favorite thing to do garden. That's my favorite thing to do garden. That's my favorite thing to do when it comes. when it comes. when it comes. >> I can see that. And the green beans can >> I can see that. And the green beans can >> I can see that. And the green beans can be really sweet, can't they? be really sweet, can't they? be really sweet, can't they? >> They can. >> They can. >> They can. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I asked Marco Rubio, "What is your >> So, I asked Marco Rubio, "What is your >> So, I asked Marco Rubio, "What is your favorite go-to food?" Chicken parm and favorite go-to food?" Chicken parm and favorite go-to food?" Chicken parm and pizza. [laughter] pizza. [laughter] pizza. [laughter] >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> Those are comfort foods, though, aren't >> Those are comfort foods, though, aren't >> Those are comfort foods, though, aren't they? they? they? >> I do love pizza, but I like healthy >> I do love pizza, but I like healthy >> I do love pizza, but I like healthy pizza, you know, but I don't eat a lot pizza, you know, but I don't eat a lot pizza, you know, but I don't eat a lot of bread, you know. of bread, you know. of bread, you know. >> What is healthy pizza like? What would >> What is healthy pizza like? What would >> What is healthy pizza like? What would your pizza order be? Uh, it would your pizza order be? Uh, it would your pizza order be? Uh, it would probably be it' be well it would be probably be it' be well it would be probably be it' be well it would be dough from Italy. dough from Italy. dough from Italy. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That's gonna limit you. >> That's gonna limit you. >> That's gonna limit you. >> Yeah. But you know, you can go to Costco >> Yeah. But you know, you can go to Costco >> Yeah. But you know, you can go to Costco and you can you can find some of these and you can you can find some of these and you can you can find some of these things where this dough is from Italy.

things where this dough is from Italy. things where this dough is from Italy. >> From Italy. >> From Italy. >> From Italy. >> It really makes a difference. >> It really makes a difference. >> It really makes a difference. >> And to me, I can taste the difference. >> And to me, I can taste the difference. >> And to me, I can taste the difference. The soil. The soil. The soil. >> I can get it. >> I can get it. >> I can get it. >> How about their tomatoes? Like a tomato >> How about their tomatoes? Like a tomato >> How about their tomatoes? Like a tomato from Italy is it's not the most from Italy is it's not the most from Italy is it's not the most beautiful thing you've ever seen, but beautiful thing you've ever seen, but beautiful thing you've ever seen, but the flavor. the flavor. the flavor. >> The flavor. Well, it's a fruit, isn't >> The flavor. Well, it's a fruit, isn't >> The flavor. Well, it's a fruit, isn't it? it? it? >> It is. Well, it is. It is. It is >> It is. Well, it is. It is. It is >> It is. Well, it is. It is. It is technically. Okay. technically. Okay. technically. Okay. >> But that I would take it I would take it >> But that I would take it I would take it >> But that I would take it I would take it something from Italy and then I would something from Italy and then I would something from Italy and then I would add other things like basil from our add other things like basil from our add other things like basil from our garden. garden. garden. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> I would put garlic on it. >> I would put garlic on it. >> I would put garlic on it. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And I would probably put olive oil on it >> And I would probably put olive oil on it >> And I would probably put olive oil on it cuz I'm a big olive. cuz I'm a big olive. cuz I'm a big olive. >> So, you're not I want a pepperoni pizza. >> So, you're not I want a pepperoni pizza. >> So, you're not I want a pepperoni pizza. That's not going to be the one. That's not going to be the one. That's not going to be the one. >> Probably not. [laughter] >> Probably not. [laughter] >> Probably not. [laughter] >> That sounds pretty good though. I think >> That sounds pretty good though. I think >> That sounds pretty good though. I think anything pizza I love it. But the pizza anything pizza I love it. But the pizza anything pizza I love it. But the pizza in Italy is so amazing. Yeah. in Italy is so amazing. Yeah. in Italy is so amazing. Yeah. >> And uh it's great. So can tell me what >> And uh it's great. So can tell me what >> And uh it's great. So can tell me what like when you're listening to the Do you like when you're listening to the Do you like when you're listening to the Do you listen to the radio? Like listen to the radio? Like listen to the radio? Like >> not much. >> not much. >> not much. >> Not that much. But you hear songs every >> Not that much. But you hear songs every >> Not that much. But you hear songs every everywhere while we go we hear songs. everywhere while we go we hear songs. everywhere while we go we hear songs. >> Are there songs like I have a thing on >> Are there songs like I have a thing on >> Are there songs like I have a thing on Apple. It's Greg's playlist Apple. It's Greg's playlist Apple. It's Greg's playlist >> and it just picks songs that it that it >> and it just picks songs that it that it >> and it just picks songs that it that it thinks I will like. And a lot of the thinks I will like. And a lot of the thinks I will like. And a lot of the times it's pretty good. I think these times it's pretty good. I think these times it's pretty good. I think these are good because I have a lot of I it'll are good because I have a lot of I it'll are good because I have a lot of I it'll be like a Frank Sinatra song, a Beatles be like a Frank Sinatra song, a Beatles be like a Frank Sinatra song, a Beatles song, and then some other random thing song, and then some other random thing song, and then some other random thing because I like all kinds of things. And because I like all kinds of things. And because I like all kinds of things. And I guess maybe if you go next, it just I guess maybe if you go next, it just I guess maybe if you go next, it just found out, oh, he doesn't like that found out, oh, he doesn't like that found out, oh, he doesn't like that song. I'm not sure how it works, right?

song. I'm not sure how it works, right? song. I'm not sure how it works, right? >> But like what is if you hear a song on >> But like what is if you hear a song on >> But like what is if you hear a song on the radio, you go, "Oh, I love this." the radio, you go, "Oh, I love this." the radio, you go, "Oh, I love this." And you still lean in and to listen even And you still lean in and to listen even And you still lean in and to listen even though you've heard it a million times. though you've heard it a million times. though you've heard it a million times. >> You mentioned I want to hold your hand. >> You mentioned I want to hold your hand. >> You mentioned I want to hold your hand. Did you? Did you? Did you? >> I did earlier. >> I did earlier. >> I did earlier. >> What would be like a song? Oh, I love >> What would be like a song? Oh, I love >> What would be like a song? Oh, I love that song. that song. that song. >> I would say I would say probably >> I would say I would say probably >> I would say I would say probably anything from the 80s. anything from the 80s. anything from the 80s. >> Yeah. Oh, 80s. >> Yeah. Oh, 80s. >> Yeah. Oh, 80s. >> Like like I'm I have a hard time find >> Like like I'm I have a hard time find >> Like like I'm I have a hard time find things that I like, honestly. things that I like, honestly. things that I like, honestly. >> I do, too. >> I do, too. >> I do, too. >> Um, but like I I'm loving the new Keith >> Um, but like I I'm loving the new Keith >> Um, but like I I'm loving the new Keith Urban record. Urban record. Urban record. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> And it's Yacht Rock. >> And it's Yacht Rock. >> And it's Yacht Rock. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And you will know there's maybe two new >> And you will know there's maybe two new >> And you will know there's maybe two new song. Everything Yes. song. Everything Yes. song. Everything Yes. >> You will know. And it's incredible. >> You will know. And it's incredible. >> You will know. And it's incredible. >> I heard him do a recording of Summer >> I heard him do a recording of Summer >> I heard him do a recording of Summer Breeze by Seals and Cofts. Is that from Breeze by Seals and Cofts. Is that from Breeze by Seals and Cofts. Is that from that record? That's on that record. that record? That's on that record. that record? That's on that record. >> It's very close to the original. Yes, it >> It's very close to the original. Yes, it >> It's very close to the original. Yes, it is. is. is. >> I always thought that was a great song. >> I always thought that was a great song. >> I always thought that was a great song. >> It's a great song. >> It's a great song. >> It's a great song. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, there's a bunch of great songs on >> So, there's a bunch of great songs on >> So, there's a bunch of great songs on that record. that record. that record. >> I didn't even know there was yacht rock >> I didn't even know there was yacht rock >> I didn't even know there was yacht rock until I saw some dunk on it and went, until I saw some dunk on it and went, until I saw some dunk on it and went, "Oh, yeah. I know that." I mean, sure, "Oh, yeah. I know that." I mean, sure, "Oh, yeah. I know that." I mean, sure, that music. that music. that music. >> It's a It's a strange title that they've >> It's a It's a strange title that they've >> It's a It's a strange title that they've called this whole thing yacht rock.

called this whole thing yacht rock. called this whole thing yacht rock. >> Yeah. But it has a certain sound. I was, >> Yeah. But it has a certain sound. I was, >> Yeah. But it has a certain sound. I was, you know, I'm a little older than you, you know, I'm a little older than you, you know, I'm a little older than you, so I'm more into like mid60s music, 70s so I'm more into like mid60s music, 70s so I'm more into like mid60s music, 70s music, but I like music, but I like music, but I like >> music from the 80s. Were you an ELO fan? >> music from the 80s. Were you an ELO fan? >> music from the 80s. Were you an ELO fan? >> I was. >> I was. >> I was. >> Yeah. Jeff Lynn. That's >> Yeah. Jeff Lynn. That's >> Yeah. Jeff Lynn. That's >> Jeff Lynn and and Doobie Brothers, >> Jeff Lynn and and Doobie Brothers, >> Jeff Lynn and and Doobie Brothers, Michael McDonald. Michael McDonald. Michael McDonald. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I love British music. Yeah. >> I love British music. Yeah. >> I love British music. Yeah. >> Um Yeah. Just a lot of that stuff was >> Um Yeah. Just a lot of that stuff was >> Um Yeah. Just a lot of that stuff was contagious, you know. But the 80s, they contagious, you know. But the 80s, they contagious, you know. But the 80s, they were just great moments from the 80s were just great moments from the 80s were just great moments from the 80s were the melodies. Like were the melodies. Like were the melodies. Like >> And your career was taking off too in >> And your career was taking off too in >> And your career was taking off too in the 80s. the 80s. the 80s. >> It started taking off. >> It started taking off. >> It started taking off. >> That had been sort of your pop career >> That had been sort of your pop career >> That had been sort of your pop career phase, right? phase, right? phase, right? >> Well, 80s and through the 90s. The >> Well, 80s and through the 90s. The >> Well, 80s and through the 90s. The worship record didn't come out till worship record didn't come out till worship record didn't come out till 2001, right? which was released on 911, 2001, right? which was released on 911, 2001, right? which was released on 911, believe it or not, of all days. But believe it or not, of all days. But believe it or not, of all days. But >> yeah, I was I was a worship leader for >> yeah, I was I was a worship leader for >> yeah, I was I was a worship leader for 19 years and still doing pop music, you 19 years and still doing pop music, you 19 years and still doing pop music, you know. know. know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, the the the British thing was >> But yeah, the the the British thing was >> But yeah, the the the British thing was a big thing for me. Like I loved Yes. a big thing for me. Like I loved Yes. a big thing for me. Like I loved Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um I was a big Kansas fan because I >> Um I was a big Kansas fan because I >> Um I was a big Kansas fan because I loved doing loved doing loved doing >> Carrie Lren became a Christian. >> Carrie Lren became a Christian. >> Carrie Lren became a Christian. >> Yeah. I've met Carrie.

>> Yeah. I've met Carrie. >> Yeah. I've met Carrie. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Long time ago. >> Yeah. Long time ago. >> Yeah. Long time ago. >> He formed a band after Kansas called AD. >> He formed a band after Kansas called AD. >> He formed a band after Kansas called AD. I had it. I had it. I had it. >> It was like a Christian band. >> It was like a Christian band. >> It was like a Christian band. >> And uh so we had them at our church >> And uh so we had them at our church >> And uh so we had them at our church >> and they're doing their own songs and I >> and they're doing their own songs and I >> and they're doing their own songs and I said, "Can you do Carry On My Wayward said, "Can you do Carry On My Wayward said, "Can you do Carry On My Wayward Son?" He goes, "At church?" I said, Son?" He goes, "At church?" I said, Son?" He goes, "At church?" I said, "Absolutely." [laughter] "Absolutely." [laughter] "Absolutely." [laughter] >> And and the guitar solo on Carry On My >> And and the guitar solo on Carry On My >> And and the guitar solo on Carry On My Wayward Son that carried us is insane. Wayward Son that carried us is insane. Wayward Son that carried us is insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So they're playing it. They blew our >> So they're playing it. They blew our >> So they're playing it. They blew our entire sound system out. entire sound system out. entire sound system out. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And I thought I think maybe it was worth >> And I thought I think maybe it was worth >> And I thought I think maybe it was worth it to hear that song. it to hear that song. it to hear that song. >> I bet that was a great >> I bet that was a great >> I bet that was a great >> I thought I don't want to be thinking >> I thought I don't want to be thinking >> I thought I don't want to be thinking that song that bothers me in church. You that song that bothers me in church. You that song that bothers me in church. You know, it's pretty carry on my wayward know, it's pretty carry on my wayward know, it's pretty carry on my wayward son. There'll be peace when you are son. There'll be peace when you are son. There'll be peace when you are done, you know. So, it worked out pretty done, you know. So, it worked out pretty done, you know. So, it worked out pretty well. So, what is your Are you a coffee well. So, what is your Are you a coffee well. So, what is your Are you a coffee guy? guy? guy? >> I'm not a coffee guy. >> I'm not a coffee guy. >> I'm not a coffee guy. >> Not a coffee. >> Not a coffee. >> Not a coffee. >> I'm a tea guy. Green >> I'm a tea guy. Green >> I'm a tea guy. Green >> tea guy. >> tea guy. >> tea guy. >> Love tea. Both Deb and I are green tea >> Love tea. Both Deb and I are green tea >> Love tea. Both Deb and I are green tea drinkers. drinkers. drinkers. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're a very healthy person. >> You're a very healthy person. >> You're a very healthy person. >> Trying to be. >> Trying to be. >> Trying to be. >> I think I may be the opposite of you >> I think I may be the opposite of you >> I think I may be the opposite of you [laughter] in all things food. I like [laughter] in all things food. I like [laughter] in all things food. I like tea fine, but I like coffee. And but tea fine, but I like coffee. And but tea fine, but I like coffee. And but though your description of your perfect though your description of your perfect though your description of your perfect pizza was pretty appealing, I have to pizza was pretty appealing, I have to pizza was pretty appealing, I have to say. So are you a movie fan?

say. So are you a movie fan? say. So are you a movie fan? >> I am, but I have a hard time finding >> I am, but I have a hard time finding >> I am, but I have a hard time finding something that I love something that I love something that I love >> movies today. What are some like I >> movies today. What are some like I >> movies today. What are some like I define my favorite movie as if I see it define my favorite movie as if I see it define my favorite movie as if I see it on TV, even though I've seen it a on TV, even though I've seen it a on TV, even though I've seen it a million times, if I keep watching it, million times, if I keep watching it, million times, if I keep watching it, that means it's one of my favorite that means it's one of my favorite that means it's one of my favorite films. Like Tombstone. If Tombstone's on films. Like Tombstone. If Tombstone's on films. Like Tombstone. If Tombstone's on my TV, I'm going to watch it till the my TV, I'm going to watch it till the my TV, I'm going to watch it till the commercial comes because it has so many commercial comes because it has so many commercial comes because it has so many amazing lines. or Braveheart. amazing lines. or Braveheart. amazing lines. or Braveheart. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or The Patriot. I'm going to just watch >> Or The Patriot. I'm going to just watch >> Or The Patriot. I'm going to just watch that movie. Do you have movies like that that movie. Do you have movies like that that movie. Do you have movies like that that like what would they be? that like what would they be? that like what would they be? >> Well, Raiders of Lost Star is my >> Well, Raiders of Lost Star is my >> Well, Raiders of Lost Star is my favorite movie of all time. favorite movie of all time. favorite movie of all time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That was 80s, wasn't it? >> That was 80s, wasn't it? >> That was 80s, wasn't it? >> That was 80 81 I think. And then >> That was 80 81 I think. And then >> That was 80 81 I think. And then >> obviously love the Star Wars. You know, >> obviously love the Star Wars. You know, >> obviously love the Star Wars. You know, it got it got off track a little bit. it got it got off track a little bit. it got it got off track a little bit. You know, Empire Strikes Back is still I You know, Empire Strikes Back is still I You know, Empire Strikes Back is still I think probably the best of all of them, think probably the best of all of them, think probably the best of all of them, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So, I was a Star Wars fan. Um I still >> So, I was a Star Wars fan. Um I still >> So, I was a Star Wars fan. Um I still like Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade like Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade like Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade with Sean Gy and Harrison Ford. Did you with Sean Gy and Harrison Ford. Did you with Sean Gy and Harrison Ford. Did you you met John Williams? Did you ever meet you met John Williams? Did you ever meet you met John Williams? Did you ever meet Spielberg? Spielberg? Spielberg? >> I never met Spielberg. >> I never met Spielberg. >> I never met Spielberg. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Loved ET. Still love ET. [laughter] >> Loved ET. Still love ET. [laughter] >> Loved ET. Still love ET. [laughter] I mean, uh, Schindler's List. I mean, I mean, uh, Schindler's List. I mean, I mean, uh, Schindler's List. I mean, it's a it's probably the dark. I mean, it's a it's probably the dark. I mean, it's a it's probably the dark. I mean, it's so hard to watch, it's so hard to watch, it's so hard to watch, >> but amazing.

>> but amazing. >> but amazing. >> But I'll never forget I was in I was in >> But I'll never forget I was in I was in >> But I'll never forget I was in I was in Orange County. I was at a movie theater Orange County. I was at a movie theater Orange County. I was at a movie theater all by myself, but I saw Schindler's all by myself, but I saw Schindler's all by myself, but I saw Schindler's >> a long time ago. And it just And I've >> a long time ago. And it just And I've >> a long time ago. And it just And I've not been able I don't think I've watched not been able I don't think I've watched not been able I don't think I've watched the whole thing since then. the whole thing since then. the whole thing since then. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yeah, >> I rewatched it recently and I thought >> I rewatched it recently and I thought >> I rewatched it recently and I thought this is such cuz it was shot in black this is such cuz it was shot in black this is such cuz it was shot in black and white and white and white >> except that opening scene with the >> except that opening scene with the >> except that opening scene with the little girl, they had her in a red coat little girl, they had her in a red coat little girl, they had her in a red coat >> and so you're kind of following this >> and so you're kind of following this >> and so you're kind of following this little girl in the red coat and then at little girl in the red coat and then at little girl in the red coat and then at the end you're hoping she survives of the end you're hoping she survives of the end you're hoping she survives of course and then you see she was killed course and then you see she was killed course and then you see she was killed >> by the Nazis and that was a really >> by the Nazis and that was a really >> by the Nazis and that was a really powerful way to to personalize it and powerful way to to personalize it and powerful way to to personalize it and and you know amazing performances and and you know amazing performances and and you know amazing performances and heartbreaking but the scene at the end heartbreaking but the scene at the end heartbreaking but the scene at the end when Schindler says when Schindler says when Schindler says I could have saved just one more. I use I could have saved just one more. I use I could have saved just one more. I use that as an illustration for evangelism, that as an illustration for evangelism, that as an illustration for evangelism, you know, just you know, just you know, just >> we can reach one more person. >> we can reach one more person. >> we can reach one more person. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Who are people that you've some >> Who are people that you've some >> Who are people that you've some unexpected people maybe you've been able unexpected people maybe you've been able unexpected people maybe you've been able to share the gospel with? to share the gospel with? to share the gospel with? >> Do do those opportunities come up when >> Do do those opportunities come up when >> Do do those opportunities come up when you meet different folks? you meet different folks? you meet different folks? >> Yeah, a lot. Um well, not as much as I'd >> Yeah, a lot. Um well, not as much as I'd >> Yeah, a lot. Um well, not as much as I'd like. Yeah. Um like. Yeah. Um like. Yeah. Um >> I will never forget when I don't know >> I will never forget when I don't know >> I will never forget when I don't know why I go to this story every time. Uh, why I go to this story every time. Uh, why I go to this story every time. Uh, I'll never forget being I'll never forget being I'll never forget being I was hosting the VH1 Countdown, which I I was hosting the VH1 Countdown, which I I was hosting the VH1 Countdown, which I caught a lot of flack for was being caught a lot of flack for was being caught a lot of flack for was being Luther Vandross.

Luther Vandross. Luther Vandross. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Hosting the VH1 Countdown during my >> Hosting the VH1 Countdown during my >> Hosting the VH1 Countdown during my >> Why would you catch flack for that? >> Why would you catch flack for that? >> Why would you catch flack for that? >> Well, because there was Budweiser >> Well, because there was Budweiser >> Well, because there was Budweiser commercial and so I had stores in commercial and so I had stores in commercial and so I had stores in Alabama pull my records. Alabama pull my records. Alabama pull my records. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> All that kind of that's a whole and I >> All that kind of that's a whole and I >> All that kind of that's a whole and I would never debate because I didn't would never debate because I didn't would never debate because I didn't think there was anything to debate. think there was anything to debate. think there was anything to debate. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Saying all that, >> Saying all that, >> Saying all that, >> I'm in the makeup chair and there's this >> I'm in the makeup chair and there's this >> I'm in the makeup chair and there's this beautiful woman doing my makeup and I'm beautiful woman doing my makeup and I'm beautiful woman doing my makeup and I'm sitting, God, just keep me focused. Keep sitting, God, just keep me focused. Keep sitting, God, just keep me focused. Keep me focused. this and I got a lot I got me focused. this and I got a lot I got me focused. this and I got a lot I got team around me [snorts] but she's doing team around me [snorts] but she's doing team around me [snorts] but she's doing my makeup. We just start talking and my makeup. We just start talking and my makeup. We just start talking and then she says, "Can I just ask you a then she says, "Can I just ask you a then she says, "Can I just ask you a question?" I said, "Yeah." She said, question?" I said, "Yeah." She said, question?" I said, "Yeah." She said, "There's something different about you." "There's something different about you." "There's something different about you." >> Really? I said, "Well, I said, "Well, do you want to know what it is?" She do you want to know what it is?" She do you want to know what it is?" She said, "I do." And I said, "I'm in love said, "I do." And I said, "I'm in love said, "I do." And I said, "I'm in love with Jesus with Jesus with Jesus >> and he loves me and he loves you." >> and he loves me and he loves you." >> and he loves me and he loves you." >> And she started to cry. >> And she started to cry. >> And she started to cry. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. I never knew what happened because it I never knew what happened because it I never knew what happened because it was sort of like well they got me out of was sort of like well they got me out of was sort of like well they got me out of the chair when I was nice to meet you the chair when I was nice to meet you the chair when I was nice to meet you and it was that kind of that big sew the and it was that kind of that big sew the and it was that kind of that big sew the seed moment. Yeah.

seed moment. Yeah. seed moment. Yeah. >> I've never forgotten her. >> I've never forgotten her. >> I've never forgotten her. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And I hope and trust that she >> And I hope and trust that she >> And I hope and trust that she >> gave her heart to the Lord. >> gave her heart to the Lord. >> gave her heart to the Lord. >> That's the best kind of witness when you >> That's the best kind of witness when you >> That's the best kind of witness when you effectively earn the right to share your effectively earn the right to share your effectively earn the right to share your faith by the way that you live. faith by the way that you live. faith by the way that you live. >> And that's what we do at Rocket Town. >> And that's what we do at Rocket Town. >> And that's what we do at Rocket Town. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To me it's like Yeah. >> To me it's like Yeah. >> To me it's like Yeah. This is my second greatest goal other This is my second greatest goal other This is my second greatest goal other than not being offended. Like when Don than not being offended. Like when Don than not being offended. Like when Don Finto when Donfinto walks into a room, Finto when Donfinto walks into a room, Finto when Donfinto walks into a room, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> the whole atmosphere changes. >> the whole atmosphere changes. >> the whole atmosphere changes. >> Just like And it's not because he drinks >> Just like And it's not because he drinks >> Just like And it's not because he drinks carrot juice, you know, he's got the carrot juice, you know, he's got the carrot juice, you know, he's got the >> sort of got the the glow. There's >> sort of got the the glow. There's >> sort of got the the glow. There's something and I want to be able to walk something and I want to be able to walk something and I want to be able to walk into a room of people I've never met and into a room of people I've never met and into a room of people I've never met and they go, "Whoa, whoa, what's going on they go, "Whoa, whoa, what's going on they go, "Whoa, whoa, what's going on here?" here?" here?" >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's amazing. >> That's what I that that's a big dream >> That's what I that that's a big dream >> That's what I that that's a big dream and prayer of mine. and prayer of mine. and prayer of mine. >> Wow. That's a great goal. You know, >> Wow. That's a great goal. You know, >> Wow. That's a great goal. You know, Michael, I want to just thank you for, Michael, I want to just thank you for, Michael, I want to just thank you for, you know, being such a great model. You you know, being such a great model. You you know, being such a great model. You talked about being like a father figure. talked about being like a father figure. talked about being like a father figure. You know, you've been a great model, not You know, you've been a great model, not You know, you've been a great model, not just in Christian music, but just in the just in Christian music, but just in the just in Christian music, but just in the church as a representative of Jesus church as a representative of Jesus church as a representative of Jesus Christ and the many environments you've Christ and the many environments you've Christ and the many environments you've been in that could turn many ahead and been in that could turn many ahead and been in that could turn many ahead and sabotage many a career, sabotage many a sabotage many a career, sabotage many a sabotage many a career, sabotage many a marriage.

marriage. marriage. >> And you've held your course and you've >> And you've held your course and you've >> And you've held your course and you've been faithful. And uh I want to thank been faithful. And uh I want to thank been faithful. And uh I want to thank you for doing that because it's uh it's you for doing that because it's uh it's you for doing that because it's uh it's great to have you out there representing great to have you out there representing great to have you out there representing us. us. us. >> Well, thank you. >> Well, thank you. >> Well, thank you. >> You know how I know you're one of the >> You know how I know you're one of the >> You know how I know you're one of the good guys? Because you're dressed all in good guys? Because you're dressed all in good guys? Because you're dressed all in white. [laughter] white. [laughter] white. [laughter] >> Well, I'm not going to forget that. >> Well, I'm not going to forget that. >> Well, I'm not going to forget that. >> Yeah. And I don't know what that says >> Yeah. And I don't know what that says >> Yeah. And I don't know what that says about me being dressed in black. But um about me being dressed in black. But um about me being dressed in black. But um in closing, in closing, in closing, who is Jesus Christ to you and why who is Jesus Christ to you and why who is Jesus Christ to you and why should a person follow him? should a person follow him? should a person follow him? Well, he's the lover of my soul. Well, he's the lover of my soul. Well, he's the lover of my soul. [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] >> And as Don >> And as Don >> And as Don spoke about it the other day on his spoke about it the other day on his spoke about it the other day on his little Facebook page, it's it's the little Facebook page, it's it's the little Facebook page, it's it's the Romans 3 thing. It's like it's like he Romans 3 thing. It's like it's like he Romans 3 thing. It's like it's like he knew he knew that we couldn't we knew he knew that we couldn't we knew he knew that we couldn't we couldn't do it. couldn't do it. couldn't do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We couldn't do it. Obviously, the law is >> We couldn't do it. Obviously, the law is >> We couldn't do it. Obviously, the law is there for a reason, but we knew we there for a reason, but we knew we there for a reason, but we knew we couldn't do it. So, couldn't do it. So, couldn't do it. So, by faith, by faith, by faith, he's going to make us righteous. he's going to make us righteous. he's going to make us righteous. >> Mhm. That's astounding to me.

>> Mhm. That's astounding to me. >> Mhm. That's astounding to me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to give you righteousness. If >> I'm going to give you righteousness. If >> I'm going to give you righteousness. If you have faith, I'm going to give you you have faith, I'm going to give you you have faith, I'm going to give you righteousness. righteousness. righteousness. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's the greatest news. That's what >> That's the greatest news. That's what >> That's the greatest news. That's what the world needs to hear. the world needs to hear. the world needs to hear. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And I just am just I wake up every >> And I just am just I wake up every >> And I just am just I wake up every morning going, "God, I just can't morning going, "God, I just can't morning going, "God, I just can't believe I'm such a mess and still trying believe I'm such a mess and still trying believe I'm such a mess and still trying to pull it together." And you just love to pull it together." And you just love to pull it together." And you just love me regardless. me regardless. me regardless. >> And so he's the perfect father. >> And so he's the perfect father. >> And so he's the perfect father. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> He's a good father. Not to not to borrow >> He's a good father. Not to not to borrow >> He's a good father. Not to not to borrow from the song. Yeah. from the song. Yeah. from the song. Yeah. >> And uh and I know it beyond a shadow of >> And uh and I know it beyond a shadow of >> And uh and I know it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Doesn't matter how I feel. a doubt. Doesn't matter how I feel. a doubt. Doesn't matter how I feel. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Sometimes you don't you don't feel it. >> Sometimes you don't you don't feel it. >> Sometimes you don't you don't feel it. Sometimes there's some number weeks you Sometimes there's some number weeks you Sometimes there's some number weeks you go back on, God, where are you? Like why go back on, God, where are you? Like why go back on, God, where are you? Like why do I feel like I'm in the funk? I feel I do I feel like I'm in the funk? I feel I do I feel like I'm in the funk? I feel I feel a little off. What is that? feel a little off. What is that? feel a little off. What is that? >> But I know in the midst of all that, >> But I know in the midst of all that, >> But I know in the midst of all that, he still loves me. he still loves me. he still loves me. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, thanks for doing this. >> Well, thanks for doing this. >> Well, thanks for doing this. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Thank you. >> Great hanging out with you. >> Great hanging out with you. >> Great hanging out with you. >> It's good. [music] Hey, thanks for >> It's good. [music] Hey, thanks for >> It's good. [music] Hey, thanks for joining me today. Subscribe to my joining me today. Subscribe to my joining me today. Subscribe to my YouTube channel, follow me on social YouTube channel, follow me on social YouTube channel, follow me on social media, and be sure to download the media, and be sure to download the media, and be sure to download the Harvest Plus app, where you will find Harvest Plus app, where you will find Harvest Plus app, where you will find exclusive content just for you. See you exclusive content just for you. See you exclusive content just for you. See you next time.

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