Beware These Four Temptations | Greg Laurie & Chuck Swindoll

You can know this grace You can know this grace personally. You don't have to change personally. You don't have to change personally. You don't have to change anything. All you've got to do is come anything. All you've got to do is come anything. All you've got to do is come to Christ. Let Jesus become your channel to Christ. Let Jesus become your channel to Christ. Let Jesus become your channel to God. [snorts] to God. [snorts] to God. [snorts] >> Let him become your own personal Lord >> Let him become your own personal Lord >> Let him become your own personal Lord and Savior. [music] >> Last time on the Greg Glory Show, I sat >> Last time on the Greg Glory Show, I sat down with the legendary Pastor Chuck down with the legendary Pastor Chuck down with the legendary Pastor Chuck Swendall. You look back and you realize Swendall. You look back and you realize Swendall. You look back and you realize that God had a plan for us even before that God had a plan for us even before that God had a plan for us even before we were born. I just think, Lord, you're we were born. I just think, Lord, you're we were born. I just think, Lord, you're you're too good. How could you use us? you're too good. How could you use us? you're too good. How could you use us? [music] [music] [music] >> Yeah. A kid that wasn't even wanted. >> Yeah. A kid that wasn't even wanted. >> Yeah. A kid that wasn't even wanted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like you've used me and like you're >> Like you've used me and like you're >> Like you've used me and like you're using Greg. And what a absolute using Greg. And what a absolute using Greg. And what a absolute privilege.

privilege. privilege. >> So you lost your boy. >> So you lost your boy. >> So you lost your boy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Finally got back on your feet. >> Finally got back on your feet. >> Finally got back on your feet. Was there a difference in your Was there a difference in your Was there a difference in your preaching? preaching? preaching? >> Yes. You asked me if I took time off. I >> Yes. You asked me if I took time off. I >> Yes. You asked me if I took time off. I took a little time off, but I had this took a little time off, but I had this took a little time off, but I had this crusade scheduled two weeks after this crusade scheduled two weeks after this crusade scheduled two weeks after this event happened. event happened. event happened. >> Oh my. And people asked me, "Well, are >> Oh my. And people asked me, "Well, are >> Oh my. And people asked me, "Well, are you going to do the crusade?" And I you going to do the crusade?" And I you going to do the crusade?" And I said, "Of course I'm going to do the said, "Of course I'm going to do the said, "Of course I'm going to do the crusade." Yeah. crusade." Yeah. crusade." Yeah. >> Because when I was preaching, because >> Because when I was preaching, because >> Because when I was preaching, because you know, the Bible says, Jesus said, you know, the Bible says, Jesus said, you know, the Bible says, Jesus said, >> "There is joy in the presence of the >> "There is joy in the presence of the >> "There is joy in the presence of the angels over one sinner that comes to angels over one sinner that comes to angels over one sinner that comes to repentance." repentance." repentance." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I think that people in heaven >> You know, I think that people in heaven >> You know, I think that people in heaven may know more than we think they know. may know more than we think they know. may know more than we think they know. And there is an awareness in heaven of And there is an awareness in heaven of And there is an awareness in heaven of sinners coming to repentance. Every time sinners coming to repentance. Every time sinners coming to repentance. Every time a every time a person repents, heaven a every time a person repents, heaven a every time a person repents, heaven rejoices. And I thought, you know, is my rejoices. And I thought, you know, is my rejoices. And I thought, you know, is my son watching me from heaven? I don't son watching me from heaven? I don't son watching me from heaven? I don't know. I know the Lord's watching me. know. I know the Lord's watching me. know. I know the Lord's watching me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I know my son is in heaven. I >> I know my son is in heaven. I >> I know my son is in heaven. I >> That's a good statement. We don't know. >> That's a good statement. We don't know. >> That's a good statement. We don't know. >> Yeah. We don't know. >> Yeah. We don't know. >> Yeah. We don't know. >> We talk about people watching and all >> We talk about people watching and all >> We talk about people watching and all that. that. that. >> Well, they're seeing a lot of bad stuff.

>> Well, they're seeing a lot of bad stuff. >> Well, they're seeing a lot of bad stuff. They're watching this earth, you know. They're watching this earth, you know. They're watching this earth, you know. [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] >> But they're aware if they're aware of >> But they're aware if they're aware of >> But they're aware if they're aware of people coming to Christ. people coming to Christ. people coming to Christ. >> Oh, yeah. And so yeah, that was the one >> Oh, yeah. And so yeah, that was the one >> Oh, yeah. And so yeah, that was the one place where I found place where I found place where I found >> relief was when I was preaching and I >> relief was when I was preaching and I >> relief was when I was preaching and I wasn't thinking about myself or thinking wasn't thinking about myself or thinking wasn't thinking about myself or thinking about my pain. I was focused on about my pain. I was focused on about my pain. I was focused on >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> the Lord and on the gospel and on people >> the Lord and on the gospel and on people >> the Lord and on the gospel and on people hearing the gospel. Uh that that was I hearing the gospel. Uh that that was I hearing the gospel. Uh that that was I found a strangely a renewed strength. found a strangely a renewed strength. found a strangely a renewed strength. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> A a willingness to do things I would >> A a willingness to do things I would >> A a willingness to do things I would have never done before. A willingness to have never done before. A willingness to have never done before. A willingness to take risks. take risks. take risks. >> Let me ask you something here. Yeah. Did >> Let me ask you something here. Yeah. Did >> Let me ask you something here. Yeah. Did you start fearing for your other you start fearing for your other you start fearing for your other children? children? children? >> Uh, well, I have one other son. >> Uh, well, I have one other son. >> Uh, well, I have one other son. >> Oh, you have one other son? >> Oh, you have one other son? >> Oh, you have one other son? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did you Did you start thinking, "Oh, be >> Did you Did you start thinking, "Oh, be >> Did you Did you start thinking, "Oh, be careful. Be careful." careful. Be careful." careful. Be careful." >> Oh, yeah. For sure. Oh, yes. Yes. Of >> Oh, yeah. For sure. Oh, yes. Yes. Of >> Oh, yeah. For sure. Oh, yes. Yes. Of course. I was very aware of that. course. I was very aware of that. course. I was very aware of that. >> Premonitions like this is this could be >> Premonitions like this is this could be >> Premonitions like this is this could be dangerous. dangerous. dangerous. >> Yeah. But but it was more just because >> Yeah. But but it was more just because >> Yeah. But but it was more just because my son, my younger son Jonathan, he also my son, my younger son Jonathan, he also my son, my younger son Jonathan, he also had been a prodigal and his brother had been a prodigal and his brother had been a prodigal and his brother Christopher the night before he went to Christopher the night before he went to Christopher the night before he went to heaven said to Jonathan, "Jonathan, you heaven said to Jonathan, "Jonathan, you heaven said to Jonathan, "Jonathan, you need to get right with the Lord. What's need to get right with the Lord. What's need to get right with the Lord. What's it going to take?" And after Christopher it going to take?" And after Christopher it going to take?" And after Christopher died, that's I'm not saying God took died, that's I'm not saying God took died, that's I'm not saying God took Christopher so Jonathan would Christopher so Jonathan would Christopher so Jonathan would >> message >> message >> message >> would come he come to Christ, but it was >> would come he come to Christ, but it was >> would come he come to Christ, but it was more like despite that horrible tragedy, more like despite that horrible tragedy, more like despite that horrible tragedy, that is what it took to open Jonathan's that is what it took to open Jonathan's that is what it took to open Jonathan's eyes. And not only did Jonathan recommit

eyes. And not only did Jonathan recommit eyes. And not only did Jonathan recommit his life to the Lord, but he felt a call his life to the Lord, but he felt a call his life to the Lord, but he felt a call to ministry. to ministry. to ministry. >> And and so it was you could see how God >> And and so it was you could see how God >> And and so it was you could see how God >> works these things. You know, I I love >> works these things. You know, I I love >> works these things. You know, I I love your teaching on the sovereignty of God your teaching on the sovereignty of God your teaching on the sovereignty of God and Romans 8:28 in particular. I never and Romans 8:28 in particular. I never and Romans 8:28 in particular. I never get tired of thinking about Romans 8:28. get tired of thinking about Romans 8:28. get tired of thinking about Romans 8:28. >> Neither do I. >> Neither do I. >> Neither do I. >> It's just so rich and deep. And >> It's just so rich and deep. And >> It's just so rich and deep. And >> it isn't all good, but it all works >> it isn't all good, but it all works >> it isn't all good, but it all works together for good. together for good. together for good. >> Yeah. All things, >> Yeah. All things, >> Yeah. All things, >> yes, >> yes, >> yes, >> work together. >> work together. >> work together. >> They do. >> They do. >> They do. >> For good. >> For good. >> For good. >> They do. >> They do. >> They do. >> I mean, the classic example is Joseph to >> I mean, the classic example is Joseph to >> I mean, the classic example is Joseph to his brothers, you meant this for evil. his brothers, you meant this for evil. his brothers, you meant this for evil. God meant it for good. God meant it for good. God meant it for good. >> But there are things that happen in our >> But there are things that happen in our >> But there are things that happen in our life that are bad. I'll always think of life that are bad. I'll always think of life that are bad. I'll always think of this as a bad thing. this as a bad thing. this as a bad thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'll always think of this as a tragedy, >> I'll always think of this as a tragedy, >> I'll always think of this as a tragedy, the death of my son. However, I would the death of my son. However, I would the death of my son. However, I would also acknowledge that many good things also acknowledge that many good things also acknowledge that many good things have come into my life and out of this have come into my life and out of this have come into my life and out of this that God has brought. So, I don't have that God has brought. So, I don't have that God has brought. So, I don't have to understand all of that. But he, you to understand all of that. But he, you to understand all of that. But he, you know, as as scripture says, all things know, as as scripture says, all things know, as as scripture says, all things are his servants. And so, I just believe are his servants. And so, I just believe are his servants. And so, I just believe that it's in process. And yes, that it's in process. And yes, that it's in process. And yes, >> there are times, Chuck, I after it >> there are times, Chuck, I after it >> there are times, Chuck, I after it happened, I'd be driving along happened, I'd be driving along happened, I'd be driving along >> and I would have a memory. Something >> and I would have a memory. Something >> and I would have a memory. Something would remind me of Christopher.

would remind me of Christopher. would remind me of Christopher. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and I would say, "I'll never see him >> And and I would say, "I'll never see him >> And and I would say, "I'll never see him again. I'll never hear his voice again." again. I'll never hear his voice again." again. I'll never hear his voice again." And I would start going into a dark And I would start going into a dark And I would start going into a dark hole. Yeah. hole. Yeah. hole. Yeah. >> And I would literally preach to myself >> And I would literally preach to myself >> And I would literally preach to myself and I would literally say, "Greg, shut and I would literally say, "Greg, shut and I would literally say, "Greg, shut up." up." up." >> Yeah. You're going to see him again. >> Yeah. You're going to see him again. >> Yeah. You're going to see him again. >> Yeah. I said, "The Bible says, >> Yeah. I said, "The Bible says, >> Yeah. I said, "The Bible says, >> oh boy. >> oh boy. >> oh boy. >> I am the resurrection and the life. He >> I am the resurrection and the life. He >> I am the resurrection and the life. He that believes in me, though he were that believes in me, though he were that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. Whosoever lives dead, yet shall he live. Whosoever lives dead, yet shall he live. Whosoever lives and believes in me shall never die. and believes in me shall never die. and believes in me shall never die. Right? Right? Right? >> You're going to see your son again. And >> You're going to see your son again. And >> You're going to see your son again. And immediately as I would just quote this immediately as I would just quote this immediately as I would just quote this scripture to myself, it would lift me scripture to myself, it would lift me scripture to myself, it would lift me out of that pit because I would get a out of that pit because I would get a out of that pit because I would get a heavenly perspective. And so I've tried heavenly perspective. And so I've tried heavenly perspective. And so I've tried to take this horrible event and use it to take this horrible event and use it to take this horrible event and use it as a tool to help people and and and to as a tool to help people and and and to as a tool to help people and and and to show them that show them that show them that >> God can walk with you through the most >> God can walk with you through the most >> God can walk with you through the most unbelievable difficulties in life. unbelievable difficulties in life. unbelievable difficulties in life. >> Okay. Switch over. >> Okay. Switch over. >> Okay. Switch over. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> What would you do differently if you had >> What would you do differently if you had >> What would you do differently if you had these 50 years to live over again? these 50 years to live over again? these 50 years to live over again? >> Wow. I've never been asked that before. >> Wow. I've never been asked that before. >> Wow. I've never been asked that before. >> Spend more time.

>> Spend more time. >> Spend more time. >> You You don't have to be profound. >> You You don't have to be profound. >> You You don't have to be profound. >> I would hang out with you more. >> I would hang out with you more. >> I would hang out with you more. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> What would I do differently? >> What would I do differently? >> What would I do differently? >> Well, we'd have fun. I'll tell you that. >> Well, we'd have fun. I'll tell you that. >> Well, we'd have fun. I'll tell you that. >> You know, I don't want to say that I >> You know, I don't want to say that I >> You know, I don't want to say that I wouldn't do anything differently, but wouldn't do anything differently, but wouldn't do anything differently, but but for the most part, I don't know that but for the most part, I don't know that but for the most part, I don't know that I would do anything regret. I would do anything regret. I would do anything regret. >> So, you don't have many regrets. Well, >> So, you don't have many regrets. Well, >> So, you don't have many regrets. Well, yes, little I mean things here and yes, little I mean things here and yes, little I mean things here and there, but there's not any big thing in there, but there's not any big thing in there, but there's not any big thing in life where I would say I should have life where I would say I should have life where I would say I should have done this or I No, I can't say I have done this or I No, I can't say I have done this or I No, I can't say I have any major regrets. any major regrets. any major regrets. >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> that's probably not good. Billy Graham >> that's probably not good. Billy Graham >> that's probably not good. Billy Graham once was asked, you know, what he would once was asked, you know, what he would once was asked, you know, what he would do differently. He said, I would preach do differently. He said, I would preach do differently. He said, I would preach half as much. I would spend more time half as much. I would spend more time half as much. I would spend more time praying, more time studying the word of praying, more time studying the word of praying, more time studying the word of God and telling the Lord how much I love God and telling the Lord how much I love God and telling the Lord how much I love them. Well, I could certainly say that. them. Well, I could certainly say that. them. Well, I could certainly say that. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Should I have prayed more throughout my >> Should I have prayed more throughout my >> Should I have prayed more throughout my life? Yes. life? Yes. life? Yes. >> Yeah, everybody could say that. >> Yeah, everybody could say that. >> Yeah, everybody could say that. >> Have I worried too much at times? >> Have I worried too much at times? >> Have I worried too much at times? Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Absolutely. Yes. >> Uh, have I been impulsive at times and >> Uh, have I been impulsive at times and >> Uh, have I been impulsive at times and run ahead of the Lord? Sure, I have.

run ahead of the Lord? Sure, I have. run ahead of the Lord? Sure, I have. >> But by and large, I would say that that >> But by and large, I would say that that >> But by and large, I would say that that I've found the will of God and I've I've found the will of God and I've I've found the will of God and I've sought to walk in it. sought to walk in it. sought to walk in it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so, I can't say I would do anything >> And so, I can't say I would do anything >> And so, I can't say I would do anything differently for the most part. What differently for the most part. What differently for the most part. What about you, I would have said yes I would have said yes more often, more often, more often, sooner sooner sooner than no than no than no >> to what? Opportunities, >> to what? Opportunities, >> to what? Opportunities, [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] open doors, open doors, open doors, um, stepping into stepping into something that I I never dreamed I would something that I I never dreamed I would something that I I never dreamed I would do. do. do. I I wouldn't be as reluctant. I I wouldn't be as reluctant. I I wouldn't be as reluctant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think that goes back to my very very >> I think that goes back to my very very >> I think that goes back to my very very early years. early years. early years. >> Yes. I I'm not trying to excuse it, but >> Yes. I I'm not trying to excuse it, but >> Yes. I I'm not trying to excuse it, but um my brother was not reluctant, man. um my brother was not reluctant, man. um my brother was not reluctant, man. and he would take on, you know, he went and he would take on, you know, he went and he would take on, you know, he went to mission field 33 and a half years in to mission field 33 and a half years in to mission field 33 and a half years in in Buenos Aries and uh and [snorts] when in Buenos Aries and uh and [snorts] when in Buenos Aries and uh and [snorts] when you go down there, uh when I go down you go down there, uh when I go down you go down there, uh when I go down there, I'm known as Orville's brother, there, I'm known as Orville's brother, there, I'm known as Orville's brother, you know, and really you know, and really you know, and really >> uh he just >> uh he just >> uh he just bore right into it.

bore right into it. bore right into it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh I was a little too cautious >> Uh I was a little too cautious >> Uh I was a little too cautious sometimes. I was a little too strong in sometimes. I was a little too strong in sometimes. I was a little too strong in with my children. Mhm. with my children. Mhm. with my children. Mhm. >> I'd have been a little um I should have >> I'd have been a little um I should have >> I'd have been a little um I should have been quicker to say, "Yeah, that'd be been quicker to say, "Yeah, that'd be been quicker to say, "Yeah, that'd be fine." fine." fine." >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that that'll be fine. Cynthia helped me >> that that'll be fine. Cynthia helped me >> that that'll be fine. Cynthia helped me with that. She said to me one day, "You with that. She said to me one day, "You with that. She said to me one day, "You know, honey, uh you and I are both know, honey, uh you and I are both know, honey, uh you and I are both really cautious about our children." And really cautious about our children." And really cautious about our children." And for that reason, we started saying no for that reason, we started saying no for that reason, we started saying no right away to most things they want to right away to most things they want to right away to most things they want to do. do. do. >> We need to stop that. And I came across >> We need to stop that. And I came across >> We need to stop that. And I came across the whole idea of a yes face when I the whole idea of a yes face when I the whole idea of a yes face when I wrote my book on grace. wrote my book on grace. wrote my book on grace. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And uh we needed to develop a yes face. >> And uh we needed to develop a yes face. >> And uh we needed to develop a yes face. >> And I think I probably frowned too much >> And I think I probably frowned too much >> And I think I probably frowned too much rather than gave my children a yes face. rather than gave my children a yes face. rather than gave my children a yes face. >> And told him I would have probably told >> And told him I would have probably told >> And told him I would have probably told him earlier how proud I am of them, him earlier how proud I am of them, him earlier how proud I am of them, >> how pleased I am with them.

>> how pleased I am with them. >> how pleased I am with them. Uh, I would have affirmed more and Uh, I would have affirmed more and Uh, I would have affirmed more and criticized less. criticized less. criticized less. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> I I would have um been more patient. Why >> I I would have um been more patient. Why >> I I would have um been more patient. Why are we so impatient? It's just are we so impatient? It's just are we so impatient? It's just our Lord is so patient with us and and our Lord is so patient with us and and our Lord is so patient with us and and we turn around and expect the next thing we turn around and expect the next thing we turn around and expect the next thing to perfection from others or they failed to perfection from others or they failed to perfection from others or they failed at this. Okay. at this. Okay. at this. Okay. Did the world stop turning? you know, Did the world stop turning? you know, Did the world stop turning? you know, did did did the did the sun stop did did did the did the sun stop did did did the did the sun stop burning? I mean, burning? I mean, burning? I mean, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> uh, life goes on. >> uh, life goes on. >> uh, life goes on. >> And I probably would have >> And I probably would have >> And I probably would have earlier on in my marriage, earlier on in my marriage, earlier on in my marriage, brought Cynthia into my life, and made brought Cynthia into my life, and made brought Cynthia into my life, and made her more of a partner. her more of a partner. her more of a partner. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I learned how to do that after I about >> I I learned how to do that after I about >> I I learned how to do that after I about ruined our marriage. And she said to me ruined our marriage. And she said to me ruined our marriage. And she said to me one day, we were in New England in a one day, we were in New England in a one day, we were in New England in a ministry and boy, it was tough sledding. ministry and boy, it was tough sledding. ministry and boy, it was tough sledding. And she said, "I don't want you to tell And she said, "I don't want you to tell And she said, "I don't want you to tell people we're partners anymore."

people we're partners anymore." people we're partners anymore." >> We were doing the dishes together. And I >> We were doing the dishes together. And I >> We were doing the dishes together. And I said, said, said, I almost dropped the dish. I said, I almost dropped the dish. I said, I almost dropped the dish. I said, "Why?" "Why?" "Why?" Well, we're we're not. Yes, we are. No, Well, we're we're not. Yes, we are. No, Well, we're we're not. Yes, we are. No, no, we're not. no, we're not. no, we're not. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. No, we're not. No, we're not. No, we're not. Yes, we are. And she stayed at it and Yes, we are. And she stayed at it and Yes, we are. And she stayed at it and finally in tears had just burst out of finally in tears had just burst out of finally in tears had just burst out of her eyes. She almost screamed, "No, her eyes. She almost screamed, "No, her eyes. She almost screamed, "No, we're not." we're not." we're not." She put the dish rag down and walked She put the dish rag down and walked She put the dish rag down and walked upstairs upstairs upstairs and went into our bedroom and closed the and went into our bedroom and closed the and went into our bedroom and closed the door. And I thought as I finished, door. And I thought as I finished, door. And I thought as I finished, we're not because of me. we're not because of me. we're not because of me. Well, Greg, Well, Greg, Well, Greg, I went upstairs I went upstairs I went upstairs and with tears I laid down beside her and with tears I laid down beside her and with tears I laid down beside her and I said, "Uh, and I said, "Uh, and I said, "Uh, you're right."

you're right." you're right." She couldn't even talk by then. I said, She couldn't even talk by then. I said, She couldn't even talk by then. I said, "I have "I have "I have I have not entered you into my world as I have not entered you into my world as I have not entered you into my world as much as I could have." I know. I've I've not really I've I've not really presented you as I should have presented you as I should have presented you as I should have >> cuz you're very significant to me. She >> cuz you're very significant to me. She >> cuz you're very significant to me. She rolled her eyes and I said, "I'm going to change that." "I'm going to change that." >> I spent >> I spent >> I spent the next five to six years the next five to six years the next five to six years working on that. working on that. working on that. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> By the way, when the opportunity to to >> By the way, when the opportunity to to >> By the way, when the opportunity to to be on the air came up, I couldn't lead be on the air came up, I couldn't lead be on the air came up, I couldn't lead it. And I said to her, "Honey, it. And I said to her, "Honey, it. And I said to her, "Honey, I I can't I if we take on this extra I I can't I if we take on this extra I I can't I if we take on this extra dimension of ministry, I'm going to need dimension of ministry, I'm going to need dimension of ministry, I'm going to need help." help." help." And I said, "I would love to have you be And I said, "I would love to have you be And I said, "I would love to have you be the one that leads it.

the one that leads it. the one that leads it. >> If you think about it, pray. I'll pray >> If you think about it, pray. I'll pray >> If you think about it, pray. I'll pray with you. But I have no one else better with you. But I have no one else better with you. But I have no one else better qualified than you to do that. Well, she qualified than you to do that. Well, she qualified than you to do that. Well, she took it in 44 years. She led Insight for took it in 44 years. She led Insight for took it in 44 years. She led Insight for Living. Living. Living. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> All of our great ideas came from her. >> All of our great ideas came from her. >> All of our great ideas came from her. >> The whole way of doing cruises and tours >> The whole way of doing cruises and tours >> The whole way of doing cruises and tours and Israel trips and all the things we and Israel trips and all the things we and Israel trips and all the things we did uh and extra things. She was behind did uh and extra things. She was behind did uh and extra things. She was behind it. She came up with fresh ideas. She it. She came up with fresh ideas. She it. She came up with fresh ideas. She put together the the core uh values of put together the the core uh values of put together the the core uh values of our ministry and and how we would handle our ministry and and how we would handle our ministry and and how we would handle the staff and how we would handle our the staff and how we would handle our the staff and how we would handle our finances and how we would take care of finances and how we would take care of finances and how we would take care of the each station and you know what our the each station and you know what our the each station and you know what our procedure would be. procedure would be. procedure would be. time passed and one day I'm in a group time passed and one day I'm in a group time passed and one day I'm in a group over here and she's not far away in a over here and she's not far away in a over here and she's not far away in a group she's talking to and there's a group she's talking to and there's a group she's talking to and there's a little lull in my group and I hear her little lull in my group and I hear her little lull in my group and I hear her say, "Well, now that Chuck and I are say, "Well, now that Chuck and I are say, "Well, now that Chuck and I are partners, we do so and so and we do such partners, we do so and so and we do such partners, we do so and so and we do such and such and I hear the P word." The P and such and I hear the P word." The P and such and I hear the P word." The P word nice partner.

word nice partner. word nice partner. And that afternoon And that afternoon And that afternoon I'm in tears at lunch and she says, I'm in tears at lunch and she says, I'm in tears at lunch and she says, "What is wrong?" And I said, "Nothing is "What is wrong?" And I said, "Nothing is "What is wrong?" And I said, "Nothing is wrong wrong wrong today. You said it. today. You said it. today. You said it. What did I say? You called us partners." What did I say? You called us partners." What did I say? You called us partners." And she goes, "Well, we are." I said, And she goes, "Well, we are." I said, And she goes, "Well, we are." I said, "Hit the replay button and go back about "Hit the replay button and go back about "Hit the replay button and go back about seven years." seven years." seven years." >> Wow. She did. I said, "Remember?" He said, "I She did. I said, "Remember?" He said, "I do." She says it's nothing like that do." She says it's nothing like that do." She says it's nothing like that now. I wish I would not have kept her now. I wish I would not have kept her now. I wish I would not have kept her away. away. away. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Greg, there are so many people who long >> Greg, there are so many people who long >> Greg, there are so many people who long to help us do what we do and we can be to help us do what we do and we can be to help us do what we do and we can be so independent. so independent. so independent. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I'd be less independent. >> I'd be less independent. >> I'd be less independent. >> I'd be quicker to say, I need >> I'd be quicker to say, I need >> I'd be quicker to say, I need >> or could you help? Or would you be a >> or could you help? Or would you be a >> or could you help? Or would you be a part of this? Or would you lead this?

part of this? Or would you lead this? part of this? Or would you lead this? would you take over that would you take over that would you take over that or I'm convinced you'd be better at this or I'm convinced you'd be better at this or I'm convinced you'd be better at this than I would be and I'm I would mean than I would be and I'm I would mean than I would be and I'm I would mean that and I would lay it and I think the that and I would lay it and I think the that and I would lay it and I think the ministry would have just been on ministry would have just been on ministry would have just been on rollerblades rollerblades rollerblades rather than sometime on skids trying to rather than sometime on skids trying to rather than sometime on skids trying to get going because I was trying to do too get going because I was trying to do too get going because I was trying to do too much myself. much myself. much myself. >> Yeah. You gave a message a couple of >> Yeah. You gave a message a couple of >> Yeah. You gave a message a couple of years ago maybe where you talked about years ago maybe where you talked about years ago maybe where you talked about three things that a preacher faces. One three things that a preacher faces. One three things that a preacher faces. One was loneliness, one was disappointment, was loneliness, one was disappointment, was loneliness, one was disappointment, another was being the target of attacks. another was being the target of attacks. another was being the target of attacks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And for and you've been talking about >> And for and you've been talking about >> And for and you've been talking about that real realizing one's mistakes. that real realizing one's mistakes. that real realizing one's mistakes. You've talked about that quite candidly, You've talked about that quite candidly, You've talked about that quite candidly, >> right? >> right? >> right? Have you felt in your ministry from the Have you felt in your ministry from the Have you felt in your ministry from the beginning to this present day a beginning to this present day a beginning to this present day a loneliness or do you feel less of that loneliness or do you feel less of that loneliness or do you feel less of that maybe as you reach out and let people maybe as you reach out and let people maybe as you reach out and let people enter your word? enter your word? enter your word? >> When I let people enter in, I don't have >> When I let people enter in, I don't have >> When I let people enter in, I don't have that loneliness. When I don't do that, I that loneliness. When I don't do that, I that loneliness. When I don't do that, I do feel that loneliness. Very insightful do feel that loneliness. Very insightful do feel that loneliness. Very insightful observation on your part. I I've now observation on your part. I I've now observation on your part. I I've now boiled it down to four major boiled it down to four major boiled it down to four major temptations.

temptations. temptations. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And they're easy to remember because >> And they're easy to remember because >> And they're easy to remember because they all start with the same letter S. they all start with the same letter S. they all start with the same letter S. >> Okay. They hiss like a snake. >> Okay. They hiss like a snake. >> Okay. They hiss like a snake. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> The first is sloth. >> The first is sloth. >> The first is sloth. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You can really get lazy in ministry. >> You can really get lazy in ministry. >> You can really get lazy in ministry. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You'd get better at your golf game than >> You'd get better at your golf game than >> You'd get better at your golf game than you are at your preaching. you are at your preaching. you are at your preaching. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You You get better at fishing than you >> You You get better at fishing than you >> You You get better at fishing than you are working with people and on and on. are working with people and on and on. are working with people and on and on. You get You can really You can really You get You can really You can really You get You can really You can really get slothful. get slothful. get slothful. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Guarding and sloth. Second, silver. >> Guarding and sloth. Second, silver. >> Guarding and sloth. Second, silver. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Boy, the money can turn your head. Yeah, >> Boy, the money can turn your head. Yeah, >> Boy, the money can turn your head. Yeah, >> they'll offer this and they'll you say >> they'll offer this and they'll you say >> they'll offer this and they'll you say no and they'll offer more money if no and they'll offer more money if no and they'll offer more money if you'll do it. No, and you more money and you'll do it. No, and you more money and you'll do it. No, and you more money and then you start reckoning with uh well, I then you start reckoning with uh well, I then you start reckoning with uh well, I could certainly use that amount and then could certainly use that amount and then could certainly use that amount and then you get tempted. Start thinking of you get tempted. Start thinking of you get tempted. Start thinking of things you do for money. I've stopped things you do for money. I've stopped things you do for money. I've stopped taking money for funerals taking money for funerals taking money for funerals decades ago. decades ago. decades ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't take money to bury people.

>> I don't take money to bury people. >> I don't take money to bury people. They're in grief. I've sent money back They're in grief. I've sent money back They're in grief. I've sent money back to people. My mentor Bob Newkerk when I to people. My mentor Bob Newkerk when I to people. My mentor Bob Newkerk when I was in the Marine Corps meant so much to was in the Marine Corps meant so much to was in the Marine Corps meant so much to me when he died. His sweet darling me when he died. His sweet darling me when he died. His sweet darling daughter named Maria got a hold of me daughter named Maria got a hold of me daughter named Maria got a hold of me and Marie said, and Marie said, and Marie said, "Could you do Daddy's funeral?" I said, "Could you do Daddy's funeral?" I said, "Could you do Daddy's funeral?" I said, "Oh, I'd love to of the the eulogy." I "Oh, I'd love to of the the eulogy." I "Oh, I'd love to of the the eulogy." I said, "I can't come to Colorado Springs, said, "I can't come to Colorado Springs, said, "I can't come to Colorado Springs, but I'll do it and I'll send it to you but I'll do it and I'll send it to you but I'll do it and I'll send it to you on video." And she said, "I can't tell on video." And she said, "I can't tell on video." And she said, "I can't tell you how much it would mean." Well, she you how much it would mean." Well, she you how much it would mean." Well, she sent $300. And I I I wrote back, I tore sent $300. And I I I wrote back, I tore sent $300. And I I I wrote back, I tore it up. I said, "Marie, it up. I said, "Marie, it up. I said, "Marie, I could never take a penny after all he I could never take a penny after all he I could never take a penny after all he did for me." did for me." did for me." And I've I've regularly done that to And I've I've regularly done that to And I've I've regularly done that to stay away from the lure of doing it for stay away from the lure of doing it for stay away from the lure of doing it for the money. A big wedding, maybe a a big the money. A big wedding, maybe a a big the money. A big wedding, maybe a a big gathering, maybe. gathering, maybe. gathering, maybe. Well, would you do this for $20,000? No. Well, would you do this for $20,000? No. Well, would you do this for $20,000? No. No. I can't do it and no amount of money No. I can't do it and no amount of money No. I can't do it and no amount of money will turn my head. Watch out for silver.

will turn my head. Watch out for silver. will turn my head. Watch out for silver. Yeah. Third is self. Yeah. Third is self. Yeah. Third is self. Guard against anything that promotes Guard against anything that promotes Guard against anything that promotes you, you, you, >> especially your own tendency >> especially your own tendency >> especially your own tendency to build yourself up to present yourself to build yourself up to present yourself to build yourself up to present yourself as better than you are or to remind as better than you are or to remind as better than you are or to remind people of great things or to drop names people of great things or to drop names people of great things or to drop names or on and on we can we can do. Uh Martin or on and on we can we can do. Uh Martin or on and on we can we can do. Uh Martin Luther was getting ready to deliver the Luther was getting ready to deliver the Luther was getting ready to deliver the diet of worms uh his message there and diet of worms uh his message there and diet of worms uh his message there and he was you know in front of all the he was you know in front of all the he was you know in front of all the prelets and all that all the big shots prelets and all that all the big shots prelets and all that all the big shots from the church and one of his friends from the church and one of his friends from the church and one of his friends just before he walked onto the platform just before he walked onto the platform just before he walked onto the platform said to him oh brother Martin aren't you said to him oh brother Martin aren't you said to him oh brother Martin aren't you afraid afraid afraid Martin said now Luther said Martin said now Luther said Martin said now Luther said more than the pope and all his cardinals more than the pope and all his cardinals more than the pope and all his cardinals I fear most that great pope I fear most that great pope I fear most that great pope self lio.

lio. Give the other person the credit. Give the other person the credit. Give the other person the credit. Acknowledge your own staff. Acknowledge your own staff. Acknowledge your own staff. If she wrote the brochure, tell them she If she wrote the brochure, tell them she If she wrote the brochure, tell them she wrote it. I didn't write this. It's very wrote it. I didn't write this. It's very wrote it. I didn't write this. It's very well written. Of course, she's very well written. Of course, she's very well written. Of course, she's very gifted. But you can get credit for gifted. But you can get credit for gifted. But you can get credit for everything that comes out of the church. everything that comes out of the church. everything that comes out of the church. and you've done very little in it. and you've done very little in it. and you've done very little in it. >> Pass along the credit. And a fourth, of >> Pass along the credit. And a fourth, of >> Pass along the credit. And a fourth, of course, is sex. course, is sex. course, is sex. That pornography is eating us up, Greg. That pornography is eating us up, Greg. That pornography is eating us up, Greg. I don't know how many men in ministry I don't know how many men in ministry I don't know how many men in ministry have finally confessed it all started have finally confessed it all started have finally confessed it all started when I pulled the shades and locked the when I pulled the shades and locked the when I pulled the shades and locked the door, door, door, turned on the computer, and yeah, there turned on the computer, and yeah, there turned on the computer, and yeah, there it was. it was. it was. I've never viewed pornography, so I I've never viewed pornography, so I I've never viewed pornography, so I don't know what it looks like, but it don't know what it looks like, but it don't know what it looks like, but it must be very appealing, must be very appealing, must be very appealing, very very very u satisfying or something. u satisfying or something. u satisfying or something. And I say to people, look, if you if you And I say to people, look, if you if you And I say to people, look, if you if you would just stop that would just stop that would just stop that today's today's today's never too late to start doing what is never too late to start doing what is never too late to start doing what is right.

right. right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> One of my favorite sayings, I came up >> One of my favorite sayings, I came up >> One of my favorite sayings, I came up with it several years ago. It's never with it several years ago. It's never with it several years ago. It's never too late to start doing what is right. too late to start doing what is right. too late to start doing what is right. Start now. Start now. Start now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Don't go into all the things you've not >> Don't go into all the things you've not >> Don't go into all the things you've not done to all the things you should have done to all the things you should have done to all the things you should have done. Start now. done. Start now. done. Start now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Stop viewing anything >> Stop viewing anything >> Stop viewing anything >> that is even near pornography. >> that is even near pornography. >> that is even near pornography. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Don't go to the films. Don't read the >> Don't go to the films. Don't read the >> Don't go to the films. Don't read the books. Don't look at the magazines. books. Don't look at the magazines. books. Don't look at the magazines. Don't look at the things online. I have Don't look at the things online. I have Don't look at the things online. I have never had dinner alone with a single never had dinner alone with a single never had dinner alone with a single woman or a married woman unless my wife woman or a married woman unless my wife woman or a married woman unless my wife was there. I've never driven in a car was there. I've never driven in a car was there. I've never driven in a car without my wife present, unless someone without my wife present, unless someone without my wife present, unless someone was bringing me to work or taking me was bringing me to work or taking me was bringing me to work or taking me home from work. I've never sat on the home from work. I've never sat on the home from work. I've never sat on the bed at the hospital where a woman was bed at the hospital where a woman was bed at the hospital where a woman was there. I've never counseledled a woman there. I've never counseledled a woman there. I've never counseledled a woman alone without leaving the door open or alone without leaving the door open or alone without leaving the door open or having an intern sitting there with me. having an intern sitting there with me. having an intern sitting there with me. I do not give myself any leeway I do not give myself any leeway I do not give myself any leeway because I know that is a major weakness.

because I know that is a major weakness. because I know that is a major weakness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> In every man. I was at a you one more >> In every man. I was at a you one more >> In every man. I was at a you one more comment comment comment navigator conference years ago. Lawrence navigator conference years ago. Lawrence navigator conference years ago. Lawrence Sandy, the the new president was Sandy, the the new president was Sandy, the the new president was interviewing an older gentleman fresh interviewing an older gentleman fresh interviewing an older gentleman fresh off the mission field. He must have been off the mission field. He must have been off the mission field. He must have been in his 80s. in his 80s. in his 80s. and he sort of hobbled up to the and he sort of hobbled up to the and he sort of hobbled up to the microphone and Lord put his arm around microphone and Lord put his arm around microphone and Lord put his arm around him. I didn't know the man, but Lord him. I didn't know the man, but Lord him. I didn't know the man, but Lord knew him well and he said, "After all knew him well and he said, "After all knew him well and he said, "After all the things we've talked about, I've got the things we've talked about, I've got the things we've talked about, I've got to ask you this. to ask you this. to ask you this. When did you overcome the lure of sexual When did you overcome the lure of sexual When did you overcome the lure of sexual temptation?" temptation?" temptation?" I'll never forget his answer. "Well, I'll never forget his answer. "Well, I'll never forget his answer. "Well, Lord, Lord, Lord, it it it hasn't happened yet." it it it hasn't happened yet." it it it hasn't happened yet." >> Yeah. Here's this 85year-old guy still >> Yeah. Here's this 85year-old guy still >> Yeah. Here's this 85year-old guy still fighting the same old battles. fighting the same old battles. fighting the same old battles. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Greg, we will fight it till we're dead. >> Greg, we will fight it till we're dead. >> Greg, we will fight it till we're dead. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And we must. I don't care how old you >> And we must. I don't care how old you >> And we must. I don't care how old you get, Greg. You're never going to get get, Greg. You're never going to get get, Greg. You're never going to get past sexual temptation.

past sexual temptation. past sexual temptation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Of the four, that's the strongest. >> Of the four, that's the strongest. >> Of the four, that's the strongest. >> Yeah. Most men don't usually fall >> Yeah. Most men don't usually fall >> Yeah. Most men don't usually fall because of a a sloth or silver or self, because of a a sloth or silver or self, because of a a sloth or silver or self, but this one. but this one. but this one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You've seen it. >> You've seen it. >> You've seen it. >> Yes, I have. >> Yes, I have. >> Yes, I have. >> And it's an allurement that is always >> And it's an allurement that is always >> And it's an allurement that is always there. there. there. >> Yeah. If you were to give one last >> Yeah. If you were to give one last >> Yeah. If you were to give one last sermon, sermon, sermon, what would your text be and what would what would your text be and what would what would your text be and what would your topic be? your topic be? your topic be? Oh my. I've never been asked this. I've never been asked this. I believe I would speak on I believe I would speak on I believe I would speak on the grace of God. the grace of God. the grace of God. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yes. [laughter] [sighs] [sighs] [sighs] >> I I want to be known as a man of grace. >> I I want to be known as a man of grace. >> I I want to be known as a man of grace. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I I really do. >> I I I really do. >> I I I really do. >> It would revolve around Christ. It has >> It would revolve around Christ. It has >> It would revolve around Christ. It has to because that's where grace to because that's where grace to because that's where grace originates. It would take us to the originates. It would take us to the originates. It would take us to the cross. cross. cross. >> It would probably be from Romans.

>> It would probably be from Romans. >> It would probably be from Romans. Maybe Maybe Maybe either chapter 5 or chapter 8 would be either chapter 5 or chapter 8 would be either chapter 5 or chapter 8 would be the text. Maybe both. the text. Maybe both. the text. Maybe both. >> For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus >> For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus >> For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ who though he was rich and for Christ who though he was rich and for Christ who though he was rich and for our sake he became poor that we through our sake he became poor that we through our sake he became poor that we through his poverty might be rich. That's his poverty might be rich. That's his poverty might be rich. That's Corinthians. But that kind of message Corinthians. But that kind of message Corinthians. But that kind of message >> and I would talk about you can know this >> and I would talk about you can know this >> and I would talk about you can know this grace grace grace >> personally >> personally >> personally and you don't have to clean up anything. and you don't have to clean up anything. and you don't have to clean up anything. You don't have to correct anything. You You don't have to correct anything. You You don't have to correct anything. You don't have to dress up in any way. You don't have to dress up in any way. You don't have to dress up in any way. You don't have to change anything. All don't have to change anything. All don't have to change anything. All you've got to do is come to Christ. Let you've got to do is come to Christ. Let you've got to do is come to Christ. Let Jesus become your channel to God. Mhm. Jesus become your channel to God. Mhm. Jesus become your channel to God. Mhm. >> Let him become your own personal Lord >> Let him become your own personal Lord >> Let him become your own personal Lord and Savior. and Savior. and Savior. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> And he will bring in the grace like >> And he will bring in the grace like >> And he will bring in the grace like you've never had it before. you've never had it before. you've never had it before. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he will take the the He will take >> And he will take the the He will take >> And he will take the the He will take the irksomeness out of your life. He the irksomeness out of your life. He the irksomeness out of your life. He will take the impatience out. And little will take the impatience out. And little will take the impatience out. And little by little, you you'll see changes come by little, you you'll see changes come by little, you you'll see changes come that you don't deserve. Blessings come that you don't deserve. Blessings come that you don't deserve. Blessings come that you don't earn. It's all grace. And that you don't earn. It's all grace. And that you don't earn. It's all grace. And I'd camp on grace.

I'd camp on grace. I'd camp on grace. >> Yeah. I love that. >> Yeah. I love that. >> Yeah. I love that. >> I drive it home. I might even do an >> I drive it home. I might even do an >> I drive it home. I might even do an across take on G R A C E. I've never across take on G R A C E. I've never across take on G R A C E. I've never done that before, but that comes to done that before, but that comes to done that before, but that comes to mind. mind. mind. >> I love that. Okay, here's questions >> I love that. Okay, here's questions >> I love that. Okay, here's questions you've probably never been asked. you've probably never been asked. you've probably never been asked. Lightning round, meaning just give me Lightning round, meaning just give me Lightning round, meaning just give me quick answers. quick answers. quick answers. >> Okay, go easy on me. >> Okay, go easy on me. >> Okay, go easy on me. >> Okay, these are not I'm not like explain >> Okay, these are not I'm not like explain >> Okay, these are not I'm not like explain the sovereignty of God. I was going to the sovereignty of God. I was going to the sovereignty of God. I was going to ask you, what's your favorite go-to ask you, what's your favorite go-to ask you, what's your favorite go-to food? food? food? >> I would I would get a bowl of homemade >> I would I would get a bowl of homemade >> I would I would get a bowl of homemade chili. chili. chili. >> Oh, nice. I I I would since this chili >> Oh, nice. I I I would since this chili >> Oh, nice. I I I would since this chili is the best ever. And I would I would is the best ever. And I would I would is the best ever. And I would I would unfreeze that. We keep it frozen. I unfreeze that. We keep it frozen. I unfreeze that. We keep it frozen. I would unfreeze it and I would eat that. would unfreeze it and I would eat that. would unfreeze it and I would eat that. That That's delicious. Some Fritos and a That That's delicious. Some Fritos and a That That's delicious. Some Fritos and a homemade chili, glass of iced tea. homemade chili, glass of iced tea. homemade chili, glass of iced tea. >> Have you ever been to In-N-Out Burger? >> Have you ever been to In-N-Out Burger? >> Have you ever been to In-N-Out Burger? >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Do you like it? >> Do you like it? >> Do you like it? >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> How do you order your burger at In-N-Out >> How do you order your burger at In-N-Out >> How do you order your burger at In-N-Out Burger? Burger? Burger? >> I order uh usually a double double. >> I order uh usually a double double. >> I order uh usually a double double. Okay. I admit with everything on it Okay. I admit with everything on it Okay. I admit with everything on it sometime I even order it. My kids have sometime I even order it. My kids have sometime I even order it. My kids have taught me this animal style.

taught me this animal style. taught me this animal style. >> I like it animal style too. >> I like it animal style too. >> I like it animal style too. >> That's really good, isn't it? >> That's really good, isn't it? >> That's really good, isn't it? >> It is good. Gets all over your wrist, >> It is good. Gets all over your wrist, >> It is good. Gets all over your wrist, all over your hands. Yeah, it's all over your hands. Yeah, it's all over your hands. Yeah, it's delicious. delicious. delicious. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I love them. >> I love them. >> I love them. >> Do What is your favorite movie? Like >> Do What is your favorite movie? Like >> Do What is your favorite movie? Like here's how I define my favorite movie. here's how I define my favorite movie. here's how I define my favorite movie. If I'm flipping channels on television If I'm flipping channels on television If I'm flipping channels on television and I see a movie maybe I've seen many and I see a movie maybe I've seen many and I see a movie maybe I've seen many times that if I stay and keep watching times that if I stay and keep watching times that if I stay and keep watching it till the commercial that's a favorite it till the commercial that's a favorite it till the commercial that's a favorite movie, you know, just and movie, you know, just and movie, you know, just and >> yeah, we have a lot of them. >> yeah, we have a lot of them. >> yeah, we have a lot of them. >> I do too. >> I do too. >> I do too. >> Uh my latest is Lincoln. >> Uh my latest is Lincoln. >> Uh my latest is Lincoln. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> I could see Lincoln um every other week >> I could see Lincoln um every other week >> I could see Lincoln um every other week for five weeks in a row. for five weeks in a row. for five weeks in a row. >> You told 10 weeks in a You told an >> You told 10 weeks in a You told an >> You told 10 weeks in a You told an amazing story about Lincoln about they amazing story about Lincoln about they amazing story about Lincoln about they had the art the contents of his what was had the art the contents of his what was had the art the contents of his what was in his pockets and he had I think a in his pockets and he had I think a in his pockets and he had I think a pocket watch and a and a handkerchief pocket watch and a and a handkerchief pocket watch and a and a handkerchief with his I do love that initials with his I do love that initials with his I do love that initials >> and then there was uh there was a little >> and then there was uh there was a little >> and then there was uh there was a little newspaper clipping. What was that about? newspaper clipping. What was that about? newspaper clipping. What was that about? >> How great Abraham Lincoln was. >> How great Abraham Lincoln was. >> How great Abraham Lincoln was. >> Yeah. And it was yellowed with age. And >> Yeah. And it was yellowed with age. And >> Yeah. And it was yellowed with age. And it tells me that even Lincoln it tells me that even Lincoln it tells me that even Lincoln in quiet lonely moments would turn to in quiet lonely moments would turn to in quiet lonely moments would turn to that box and read at least someone that box and read at least someone that box and read at least someone believed in him.

believed in him. believed in him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He was horribly criticized. >> He was horribly criticized. >> He was horribly criticized. >> He was >> He was >> He was >> He was called an ape, a baboon. Yeah. >> He was called an ape, a baboon. Yeah. >> He was called an ape, a baboon. Yeah. >> An idiot. I mean, these sophisticated >> An idiot. I mean, these sophisticated >> An idiot. I mean, these sophisticated northeasterners took him on with both northeasterners took him on with both northeasterners took him on with both fists. He plowed right on. fists. He plowed right on. fists. He plowed right on. I would love to have a dinner with I would love to have a dinner with I would love to have a dinner with Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln. Abraham Lincoln. >> Well, that's a good question. Let's >> Well, that's a good question. Let's >> Well, that's a good question. Let's expand that. If you were going to have expand that. If you were going to have expand that. If you were going to have dinner with maybe Abraham Lincoln, who dinner with maybe Abraham Lincoln, who dinner with maybe Abraham Lincoln, who else would you like to invite? else would you like to invite? else would you like to invite? >> Uh, if I could understand him, Winston >> Uh, if I could understand him, Winston >> Uh, if I could understand him, Winston Churchill, yes, would be another one. Churchill, yes, would be another one. Churchill, yes, would be another one. Um, I think I would enjoy Um, I think I would enjoy Um, I think I would enjoy um um um uh uh uh time with um Ronald Reagan. I would time with um Ronald Reagan. I would time with um Ronald Reagan. I would enjoy that. enjoy that. enjoy that. >> And uh maybe one more would be um Spurgeon. Spurgeon. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I would enjoy asking Spurgeon, >> I would enjoy asking Spurgeon, >> I would enjoy asking Spurgeon, how did you do it? So prolific was how did you do it? So prolific was how did you do it? So prolific was Spurgeon that when he died, Spurgeon that when he died, Spurgeon that when he died, they began to publish a sermon a week.

they began to publish a sermon a week. they began to publish a sermon a week. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They did this every week. >> They did this every week. >> They did this every week. Never took a break for 25 years. And Never took a break for 25 years. And Never took a break for 25 years. And they ran out of money, they ran out of money, they ran out of money, [snorts] but they never ran out of [snorts] but they never ran out of [snorts] but they never ran out of sermons. sermons. sermons. >> Is that the Metropolitan Tabernacle >> Is that the Metropolitan Tabernacle >> Is that the Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit? Pulpit? Pulpit? >> Yep. And he was so prolific after all of >> Yep. And he was so prolific after all of >> Yep. And he was so prolific after all of those sermons were published. There were those sermons were published. There were those sermons were published. There were many more they could have, but they many more they could have, but they many more they could have, but they didn't have the mind to do it. didn't have the mind to do it. didn't have the mind to do it. >> In my office, I have a bust of Spurgeon, >> In my office, I have a bust of Spurgeon, >> In my office, I have a bust of Spurgeon, a bust of Churchill, and also a bust of a bust of Churchill, and also a bust of a bust of Churchill, and also a bust of DL Moody. Another one of my favorite DL Moody. Another one of my favorite DL Moody. Another one of my favorite preachers. preachers. preachers. >> Yeah, Moody would be interesting, too. >> Yeah, Moody would be interesting, too. >> Yeah, Moody would be interesting, too. >> Okay. So, Lincoln's one of your favorite >> Okay. So, Lincoln's one of your favorite >> Okay. So, Lincoln's one of your favorite movies. Any other movies? movies. Any other movies? movies. Any other movies? >> Sure. Um, >> Sure. Um, >> Sure. Um, >> I like Benur with Charlton H. >> I like Benur with Charlton H. >> I like Benur with Charlton H. >> Yes, that was wonderful. >> Yes, that was wonderful. >> Yes, that was wonderful. >> But I also like Tombstone. You ever seen >> But I also like Tombstone. You ever seen >> But I also like Tombstone. You ever seen Tombstone? Tombstone? Tombstone? >> I did. Yep. >> I did. Yep. >> I did. Yep. >> I'm not a big movie buff, but I will go >> I'm not a big movie buff, but I will go >> I'm not a big movie buff, but I will go >> a couple times a year, you know, if >> a couple times a year, you know, if >> a couple times a year, you know, if something is out that's really really something is out that's really really something is out that's really really good and kids tell me how much it how good and kids tell me how much it how good and kids tell me how much it how how great it was. Uh I love military how great it was. Uh I love military how great it was. Uh I love military movies.

movies. movies. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I enjoy >> I I enjoy >> I I enjoy >> Saving Private Ryan. Did you see? >> Saving Private Ryan. Did you see? >> Saving Private Ryan. Did you see? >> Yeah, I loved it. That was great. >> Yeah, I loved it. That was great. >> Yeah, I loved it. That was great. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That first scene of Private Ryan is as >> That first scene of Private Ryan is as >> That first scene of Private Ryan is as close to real combat as you'll ever see. close to real combat as you'll ever see. close to real combat as you'll ever see. I've heard that. I loved how it ended I've heard that. I loved how it ended I've heard that. I loved how it ended where it has the man starts and ends where it has the man starts and ends where it has the man starts and ends with the man at a cemetery and he's with the man at a cemetery and he's with the man at a cemetery and he's going to visit the grave of the officer going to visit the grave of the officer going to visit the grave of the officer who died saving him and he asks his who died saving him and he asks his who died saving him and he asks his grandchildren I believe uh you know grandchildren I believe uh you know grandchildren I believe uh you know something to the effect of did I live a something to the effect of did I live a something to the effect of did I live a meaningful life you know and I thought meaningful life you know and I thought meaningful life you know and I thought that was a a interesting way to enter that was a a interesting way to enter that was a a interesting way to enter that story. that story. that story. >> Yes. Uh, another one is uh the one on on >> Yes. Uh, another one is uh the one on on >> Yes. Uh, another one is uh the one on on the uh Holocaust. Uh, the uh Holocaust. Uh, the uh Holocaust. Uh, >> oh yeah. Uh, Schindler's >> oh yeah. Uh, Schindler's >> oh yeah. Uh, Schindler's >> powerful. I could have saved one. >> powerful. I could have saved one. >> powerful. I could have saved one. >> I wept in it. >> I wept in it. >> I wept in it. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I wept in it. >> I wept in it. >> I wept in it. >> Why do you think there's a rise of >> Why do you think there's a rise of >> Why do you think there's a rise of anti-semitism right now? anti-semitism right now? anti-semitism right now? >> That's that's the most wicked >> That's that's the most wicked >> That's that's the most wicked uh return of racism I've ever seen.

uh return of racism I've ever seen. uh return of racism I've ever seen. >> Yeah. And it's stronger than ever. The >> Yeah. And it's stronger than ever. The >> Yeah. And it's stronger than ever. The Jews have had it against them all along. Jews have had it against them all along. Jews have had it against them all along. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They get shot for no reason at all. >> They get shot for no reason at all. >> They get shot for no reason at all. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Their synagogues get get attacked and >> Their synagogues get get attacked and >> Their synagogues get get attacked and and uh and uh and uh messed up more than anything. messed up more than anything. messed up more than anything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Any other churches do. >> Any other churches do. >> Any other churches do. >> Yeah. And it's stronger today than maybe >> Yeah. And it's stronger today than maybe >> Yeah. And it's stronger today than maybe since the World War II. It seems like since the World War II. It seems like since the World War II. It seems like it's made a comeback. it's made a comeback. it's made a comeback. >> It's not let up. >> It's not let up. >> It's not let up. >> Do I know you love music? I know that >> Do I know you love music? I know that >> Do I know you love music? I know that you used to sing. you used to sing. you used to sing. >> I do. >> I do. >> I do. >> Uh in a boys kind of not a choir. Would >> Uh in a boys kind of not a choir. Would >> Uh in a boys kind of not a choir. Would it be a boy's choir? it be a boy's choir? it be a boy's choir? >> Yeah, we had a boy quartet. >> Yeah, we had a boy quartet. >> Yeah, we had a boy quartet. >> Boys quartet. That's it. >> Boys quartet. That's it. >> Boys quartet. That's it. >> I sang in it. Yeah. >> I sang in it. Yeah. >> I sang in it. Yeah. >> So like what are like when you're just >> So like what are like when you're just >> So like what are like when you're just driving around and you're going to sing driving around and you're going to sing driving around and you're going to sing a song. What songs do you sing? a song. What songs do you sing? a song. What songs do you sing? >> They will often be songs on grace, they >> They will often be songs on grace, they >> They will often be songs on grace, they will they will be usually uh the words will they will be usually uh the words will they will be usually uh the words of a hymn. of a hymn. of a hymn. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I love memorizing the words and I quote >> I love memorizing the words and I quote >> I love memorizing the words and I quote them to Cynthia in the evening.

them to Cynthia in the evening. them to Cynthia in the evening. Uh, here's one you've never heard. Uh, here's one you've never heard. Uh, here's one you've never heard. Majestic sweetness sits enthroned upon Majestic sweetness sits enthroned upon Majestic sweetness sits enthroned upon the Savior's brow. His head with radiant the Savior's brow. His head with radiant the Savior's brow. His head with radiant glories crown. His lips with grace or glories crown. His lips with grace or glories crown. His lips with grace or flow. flow. flow. His lips with grace or flow. He saw me His lips with grace or flow. He saw me His lips with grace or flow. He saw me plunged in deep distress and flew to my plunged in deep distress and flew to my plunged in deep distress and flew to my relief. [snorts] relief. [snorts] relief. [snorts] For me he bore the shameful cross and For me he bore the shameful cross and For me he bore the shameful cross and carried all my grief. Wow. carried all my grief. Wow. carried all my grief. Wow. >> And carried all my grief. >> And carried all my grief. >> And carried all my grief. >> To him I owe my life and breath and all >> To him I owe my life and breath and all >> To him I owe my life and breath and all the joys I have. He makes me triumph the joys I have. He makes me triumph the joys I have. He makes me triumph over death and will save me from the over death and will save me from the over death and will save me from the grave grave grave and will save me from the grave. and will save me from the grave. and will save me from the grave. Since from his bounty I receive such Since from his bounty I receive such Since from his bounty I receive such proofs of love divine. proofs of love divine. proofs of love divine. Had I a thousand hearts to give, Lord, Had I a thousand hearts to give, Lord, Had I a thousand hearts to give, Lord, they would all be thine. they would all be thine. they would all be thine. they would all be thine.

they would all be thine. they would all be thine. >> That song sums up your life, I think, in >> That song sums up your life, I think, in >> That song sums up your life, I think, in many ways, doesn't it? many ways, doesn't it? many ways, doesn't it? >> Yeah. I I I I will sing hymns. Uh and I >> Yeah. I I I I will sing hymns. Uh and I >> Yeah. I I I I will sing hymns. Uh and I will sing Amazing Grace. will sing Amazing Grace. will sing Amazing Grace. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I will sing over a thousand tongues. >> And I will sing over a thousand tongues. >> And I will sing over a thousand tongues. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I will sing uh And can it be? >> I will sing uh And can it be? >> I will sing uh And can it be? >> Uh I will sing uh shall we gather at the >> Uh I will sing uh shall we gather at the >> Uh I will sing uh shall we gather at the river. river. river. >> Oh yes. where a bright angel's feet have >> Oh yes. where a bright angel's feet have >> Oh yes. where a bright angel's feet have trod with its crystal tide forever trod with its crystal tide forever trod with its crystal tide forever flowing from the throne of God. Yes. flowing from the throne of God. Yes. flowing from the throne of God. Yes. Yes. We'll gather at the river, the Yes. We'll gather at the river, the Yes. We'll gather at the river, the beautiful, beautiful river. We'll gather beautiful, beautiful river. We'll gather beautiful, beautiful river. We'll gather with the saints at the river that flows with the saints at the river that flows with the saints at the river that flows from the throne of God. from the throne of God. from the throne of God. >> I quoted that at Paul Salehammer's >> I quoted that at Paul Salehammer's >> I quoted that at Paul Salehammer's funeral. funeral. funeral. >> I miss Paul to this day. >> I miss Paul to this day. >> I miss Paul to this day. >> I love Paul. >> I love Paul. >> I love Paul. >> When you were a young preacher, you >> When you were a young preacher, you >> When you were a young preacher, you worked with Ray Steedman. is one of my worked with Ray Steedman. is one of my worked with Ray Steedman. is one of my favorite authors. favorite authors. favorite authors. >> And there was another young man that was >> And there was another young man that was >> And there was another young man that was a part of that group, Luis Palao. a part of that group, Luis Palao. a part of that group, Luis Palao. >> Yes, he was. Ray went to South America >> Yes, he was. Ray went to South America >> Yes, he was. Ray went to South America and came back and said to the Gibb and came back and said to the Gibb and came back and said to the Gibb Martin and me, he said, "Hey, I've I've Martin and me, he said, "Hey, I've I've Martin and me, he said, "Hey, I've I've invited another guy to join us." We were invited another guy to join us." We were invited another guy to join us." We were his first two interns. And we said, his first two interns. And we said, his first two interns. And we said, "Great." He said he is his his English "Great." He said he is his his English "Great." He said he is his his English is not perfected yet, but I think he's is not perfected yet, but I think he's is not perfected yet, but I think he's really got an evangelism gift.

really got an evangelism gift. really got an evangelism gift. What's his name? Uh Luis, not Lewis, What's his name? Uh Luis, not Lewis, What's his name? Uh Luis, not Lewis, Luis Palao. He has little twin babies. Luis Palao. He has little twin babies. Luis Palao. He has little twin babies. His wife's name is Patricia. His wife's name is Patricia. His wife's name is Patricia. >> Two days later, they walked in the door >> Two days later, they walked in the door >> Two days later, they walked in the door and we met Luis and he was an intern and we met Luis and he was an intern and we met Luis and he was an intern with us. Wow. with us. Wow. with us. Wow. >> With Ray Steedman. >> With Ray Steedman. >> With Ray Steedman. >> Ray Steedman was a really gifted >> Ray Steedman was a really gifted >> Ray Steedman was a really gifted communicator, too. communicator, too. communicator, too. >> Love Ray Steedman. One of my mentors. >> Love Ray Steedman. One of my mentors. >> Love Ray Steedman. One of my mentors. >> Yes. And Dwight Pentecost. You >> Yes. And Dwight Pentecost. You >> Yes. And Dwight Pentecost. You >> I served him for four and a half years. >> I served him for four and a half years. >> I served him for four and a half years. >> I love everything he's written. Boy, >> I love everything he's written. Boy, >> I love everything he's written. Boy, you're you you've got depth. You you you you're you you've got depth. You you you you're you you've got depth. You you you really have depth if you really enjoy really have depth if you really enjoy really have depth if you really enjoy him. The Dwight Pentecost stand Bruce him. The Dwight Pentecost stand Bruce him. The Dwight Pentecost stand Bruce Walke Howard Hendricks. Yes. I'm telling Walke Howard Hendricks. Yes. I'm telling Walke Howard Hendricks. Yes. I'm telling you, I sat at the feet of giants you, I sat at the feet of giants you, I sat at the feet of giants and and Greg, this is not a not and and Greg, this is not a not and and Greg, this is not a not exaggeration. exaggeration. exaggeration. I sat right in the center in the front I sat right in the center in the front I sat right in the center in the front even though I was accepted on probation even though I was accepted on probation even though I was accepted on probation because I didn't have all the degrees because I didn't have all the degrees because I didn't have all the degrees that I needed to get in and for two that I needed to get in and for two that I needed to get in and for two years they kept me on probation. Then years they kept me on probation. Then years they kept me on probation. Then they let me go when they saw my grades.

they let me go when they saw my grades. they let me go when they saw my grades. But anyway, I I thought I have to sit in But anyway, I I thought I have to sit in But anyway, I I thought I have to sit in the back if I'm on probation. But I the back if I'm on probation. But I the back if I'm on probation. But I didn't. I could sit anywhere I want. So didn't. I could sit anywhere I want. So didn't. I could sit anywhere I want. So I sat in the front in the center. When I sat in the front in the center. When I sat in the front in the center. When the classes were over, I often couldn't the classes were over, I often couldn't the classes were over, I often couldn't move. move. move. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. And I would just sit there And I would just sit there And I would just sit there and weep thinking, "How did I ever get in this thinking, "How did I ever get in this school? How did I ever get a seat, a school? How did I ever get a seat, a school? How did I ever get a seat, a chair of my own in a desk in this chair of my own in a desk in this chair of my own in a desk in this school?" Yeah. school?" Yeah. school?" Yeah. How could I possibly be allowed to study How could I possibly be allowed to study How could I possibly be allowed to study here? [laughter] here? [laughter] here? [laughter] [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] And when I graduated, And when I graduated, And when I graduated, I just cried my eyes out. I just cried my eyes out. I just cried my eyes out. First thing my parents came to that I First thing my parents came to that I First thing my parents came to that I had been a part of. had been a part of. had been a part of. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> My graduation seminary. [snorts] They >> My graduation seminary. [snorts] They >> My graduation seminary. [snorts] They didn't stay for the dinner, but they didn't stay for the dinner, but they didn't stay for the dinner, but they they came for the graduation. I said to they came for the graduation. I said to they came for the graduation. I said to Cynthia, "Look who's here."

Cynthia, "Look who's here." Cynthia, "Look who's here." I don't know what to make of it. They I don't know what to make of it. They I don't know what to make of it. They had never been to anything I'd done. had never been to anything I'd done. had never been to anything I'd done. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> I wish you could have been with me. Oh, >> I wish you could have been with me. Oh, >> I wish you could have been with me. Oh, I wish you would have been sitting right I wish you would have been sitting right I wish you would have been sitting right there by me. there by me. there by me. >> Yes. Well, I can read their books. >> Yes. Well, I can read their books. >> Yes. Well, I can read their books. >> I'm telling you, you Yeah, that's right. >> I'm telling you, you Yeah, that's right. >> I'm telling you, you Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And when you see Bruce Walke cradle >> And when you see Bruce Walke cradle >> And when you see Bruce Walke cradle the uh Old KD, Old Testament, Hebrew the uh Old KD, Old Testament, Hebrew the uh Old KD, Old Testament, Hebrew Bible, and read from it, whether it's Bible, and read from it, whether it's Bible, and read from it, whether it's Hebrew or English, he could read like Hebrew or English, he could read like Hebrew or English, he could read like you like you're reading a novel. M you like you're reading a novel. M you like you're reading a novel. M >> he would read it through and look up and >> he would read it through and look up and >> he would read it through and look up and there'd be tears coming out of his eyes. there'd be tears coming out of his eyes. there'd be tears coming out of his eyes. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> He went to Harvard, got his second PhD. >> He went to Harvard, got his second PhD. >> He went to Harvard, got his second PhD. They offered him a teaching position They offered him a teaching position They offered him a teaching position before he graduated and he said, "No, before he graduated and he said, "No, before he graduated and he said, "No, thank you. There's a little school in thank you. There's a little school in thank you. There's a little school in Dallas that I'm committed to." And they Dallas that I'm committed to." And they Dallas that I'm committed to." And they said, "No, you haven't heard the offer." said, "No, you haven't heard the offer." said, "No, you haven't heard the offer." He said, "I don't need to hear the He said, "I don't need to hear the He said, "I don't need to hear the offer." offer." offer." >> Wow.

>> Wow. >> Wow. >> And he went back to Dallas. came back to >> And he went back to Dallas. came back to >> And he went back to Dallas. came back to teach us three years. I had teach us three years. I had teach us three years. I had >> Oh, you were there at just the right >> Oh, you were there at just the right >> Oh, you were there at just the right moment. moment. moment. >> Oh, man. He was wonderful. >> Oh, man. He was wonderful. >> Oh, man. He was wonderful. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> You would have loved him. >> You would have loved him. >> You would have loved him. >> I I I've never even heard of him. I need >> I I I've never even heard of him. I need >> I I I've never even heard of him. I need Did he Did he Did he >> Walt Key W A L T K E? >> Walt Key W A L T K E? >> Walt Key W A L T K E? >> Did he write is are >> Did he write is are >> Did he write is are >> He's written some. >> He's written some. >> He's written some. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Are there recordings of his uh messages? >> Are there recordings of his uh messages? >> Are there recordings of his uh messages? >> There may be. >> There may be. >> There may be. >> Okay. I'll look for those. >> Okay. I'll look for those. >> Okay. I'll look for those. >> Soft, easy voice, almost feminine. He >> Soft, easy voice, almost feminine. He >> Soft, easy voice, almost feminine. He just just just >> when he would preach I would like melt >> when he would preach I would like melt >> when he would preach I would like melt >> Hen Robinson, you know, and Howie >> Hen Robinson, you know, and Howie >> Hen Robinson, you know, and Howie Hendris and and Don Campbell and it's so Hendris and and Don Campbell and it's so Hendris and and Don Campbell and it's so one after another in that chapel. I'm one after another in that chapel. I'm one after another in that chapel. I'm just like drinking it in. And the guest just like drinking it in. And the guest just like drinking it in. And the guest preachers, yeah, preachers, yeah, preachers, yeah, >> Jay Bernard McGee. Oh, >> Jay Bernard McGee. Oh, >> Jay Bernard McGee. Oh, >> I love Jay Bern and and and Steedman, of >> I love Jay Bern and and and Steedman, of >> I love Jay Bern and and and Steedman, of course, course, course, >> and Dr. McGee, Dr. Mitchell. >> and Dr. McGee, Dr. Mitchell. >> and Dr. McGee, Dr. Mitchell. >> I could go on and on about that. Greg, >> I could go on and on about that. Greg, >> I could go on and on about that. Greg, excuse me for excuse me for excuse me for saying more than you asked me to say, saying more than you asked me to say, saying more than you asked me to say, but but but >> No, >> No, >> No, >> I will never get over >> I will never get over >> I will never get over Dallas Seminary and the impact in my Dallas Seminary and the impact in my Dallas Seminary and the impact in my life.

life. life. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Ever. >> Ever. >> Ever. >> Yeah. Well, in my way, you know, getting >> Yeah. Well, in my way, you know, getting >> Yeah. Well, in my way, you know, getting to know you. Yeah. to know you. Yeah. to know you. Yeah. >> Billy Graham. Yeah. >> Billy Graham. Yeah. >> Billy Graham. Yeah. >> Dr. Dobson. >> Dr. Dobson. >> Dr. Dobson. >> Well, you're well read. You're well >> Well, you're well read. You're well >> Well, you're well read. You're well read. That's a secret. read. That's a secret. read. That's a secret. >> Well, it helps. It helps. And I >> Well, it helps. It helps. And I >> Well, it helps. It helps. And I >> It helps immensely. I [clears throat] >> It helps immensely. I [clears throat] >> It helps immensely. I [clears throat] feel like I'm been sitting at the feet feel like I'm been sitting at the feet feel like I'm been sitting at the feet of a giant listening to you. of a giant listening to you. of a giant listening to you. >> It adds depth to your to your pulpit. >> It adds depth to your to your pulpit. >> It adds depth to your to your pulpit. >> My concern, Chuck, as a young generation >> My concern, Chuck, as a young generation >> My concern, Chuck, as a young generation of preachers, of preachers, of preachers, I'm wondering where where's the next I'm wondering where where's the next I'm wondering where where's the next generation of Chuck Swindolls and David generation of Chuck Swindolls and David generation of Chuck Swindolls and David Jeremiah's and and people that love the Jeremiah's and and people that love the Jeremiah's and and people that love the word of God and love to open the word of word of God and love to open the word of word of God and love to open the word of God. I just hear a lot of preaching God. I just hear a lot of preaching God. I just hear a lot of preaching today. today. today. >> I've got to believe that they're hidden >> I've got to believe that they're hidden >> I've got to believe that they're hidden away and they will emerge. away and they will emerge. away and they will emerge. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Oh, where was I in 19, you know, 45? Oh, where was I in 19, you know, 45? Oh, where was I in 19, you know, 45? You never heard of me. And You never heard of me. And You never heard of me. And >> 55, you never We got married in 55 and >> 55, you never We got married in 55 and >> 55, you never We got married in 55 and we'll celebrate 71 years next month. we'll celebrate 71 years next month. we'll celebrate 71 years next month. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Congratulations. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Pray for Cynthia. Pray for Cynthia. Pray for Cynthia. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> She suffers >> She suffers >> She suffers with with with dementia. dementia. dementia. >> Yeah. And >> Yeah. And >> Yeah. And it's slowly slowly I'm watching that it's slowly slowly I'm watching that it's slowly slowly I'm watching that that that that beautiful mind beautiful mind beautiful mind fade. fade. fade. I hold her in my arms every day. I hold her in my arms every day. I hold her in my arms every day. I caress her. I tell her what she means I caress her. I tell her what she means I caress her. I tell her what she means to me. We had such a marvelous romantic to me. We had such a marvelous romantic to me. We had such a marvelous romantic marriage and fun and and travel and so marriage and fun and and travel and so marriage and fun and and travel and so many of the things that she came up with many of the things that she came up with many of the things that she came up with and [snorts] and uh they worked out and [snorts] and uh they worked out and [snorts] and uh they worked out beautifully and we were able beautifully and we were able beautifully and we were able often to take one or more of our kids often to take one or more of our kids often to take one or more of our kids and when they were married and and they and when they were married and and they and when they were married and and they came along and uh oh it was so great. came along and uh oh it was so great. came along and uh oh it was so great. >> Yeah. So, >> Yeah. So, >> Yeah. So, my advice to you, my advice to you, my advice to you, love Kathy.

love Kathy. love Kathy. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Tell her often how much. >> Tell her often how much. >> Tell her often how much. Set aside time for romance. Set aside time for romance. Set aside time for romance. Splurge a weekend or two or a few weeks Splurge a weekend or two or a few weeks Splurge a weekend or two or a few weeks of the year and and do something really of the year and and do something really of the year and and do something really expensive and really tell her, "It's for expensive and really tell her, "It's for expensive and really tell her, "It's for you. This is for you." you. This is for you." you. This is for you." I can never ever repay you. So, this is I can never ever repay you. So, this is I can never ever repay you. So, this is for us to enjoy together for us to enjoy together for us to enjoy together because she may not always be exactly as because she may not always be exactly as because she may not always be exactly as she is today. she is today. she is today. >> And you will never forget those times. >> And you will never forget those times. >> And you will never forget those times. I'm so glad Cynthia and I did that. I'm so glad Cynthia and I did that. I'm so glad Cynthia and I did that. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. Greg, it is an absolute Greg, it is an absolute Greg, it is an absolute pleasure to know you and to see you, pleasure to know you and to see you, pleasure to know you and to see you, though you are young and have grown though you are young and have grown though you are young and have grown through the years, to see you stay so through the years, to see you stay so through the years, to see you stay so committed, committed, committed, so in love with Jesus and still reading, so in love with Jesus and still reading, so in love with Jesus and still reading, still probing the theology, still still probing the theology, still still probing the theology, still preaching faithfully and delivering preaching faithfully and delivering preaching faithfully and delivering on a regular basis. is the truth of on a regular basis. is the truth of on a regular basis. is the truth of God's word. Don't ever stop until you God's word. Don't ever stop until you God's word. Don't ever stop until you have to. That's when I stopped. I was have to. That's when I stopped. I was have to. That's when I stopped. I was 90. [snorts] I had finished uh the five 90. [snorts] I had finished uh the five 90. [snorts] I had finished uh the five messages out of second Timothy, which I messages out of second Timothy, which I messages out of second Timothy, which I had to memorize.

had to memorize. had to memorize. You memorize them loosely. You know, you You memorize them loosely. You know, you You memorize them loosely. You know, you don't memorize them word line by line. don't memorize them word line by line. don't memorize them word line by line. But But But >> I wanted to take second Timothy because >> I wanted to take second Timothy because >> I wanted to take second Timothy because it's Paul's final swan song. it's Paul's final swan song. it's Paul's final swan song. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> And I I stepped down from the pulpit at >> And I I stepped down from the pulpit at >> And I I stepped down from the pulpit at age 90. age 90. age 90. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And left the church after 26 years. >> And left the church after 26 years. >> And left the church after 26 years. You've been at your church You've been at your church You've been at your church >> uh 52 years. >> uh 52 years. >> uh 52 years. >> Good for [laughter] you. >> Good for [laughter] you. >> Good for [laughter] you. >> Well, thank you. Thank you for taking >> Well, thank you. Thank you for taking >> Well, thank you. Thank you for taking the time. the time. the time. >> And the same to you, Greg. >> And the same to you, Greg. >> And the same to you, Greg. >> My pleasure. Of course. >> My pleasure. Of course. >> My pleasure. Of course. >> I really mean that. Let me pray. >> I really mean that. Let me pray. >> I really mean that. Let me pray. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Dear Father, thank you for your grace >> Dear Father, thank you for your grace >> Dear Father, thank you for your grace [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] that found us when we were not looking that found us when we were not looking that found us when we were not looking and saved us when we were unworthy and changed us when we were so stubborn and changed us when we were so stubborn and softened us when we were so hard. and softened us when we were so hard. and softened us when we were so hard. Thank you for giving us such magnificent Thank you for giving us such magnificent Thank you for giving us such magnificent wives wives wives >> to help shape our lives and to give us >> to help shape our lives and to give us >> to help shape our lives and to give us someone to love, someone to love, someone to love, to learn from, to learn from, to learn from, to care about, and to care for. Thank to care about, and to care for. Thank to care about, and to care for. Thank you for our families, you for our families, you for our families, for Greg's sons, and for the one who for Greg's sons, and for the one who for Greg's sons, and for the one who left and the one who's still with him.

left and the one who's still with him. left and the one who's still with him. bless them abundantly as he and Kathy bless them abundantly as he and Kathy bless them abundantly as he and Kathy continue to live for you. Lift your name up through his words as Lift your name up through his words as he speaks them whether from a pulpit or he speaks them whether from a pulpit or he speaks them whether from a pulpit or quietly with a friend quietly with a friend quietly with a friend or in gatherings where he's asked to or in gatherings where he's asked to or in gatherings where he's asked to speak. speak. speak. May he lie low and let Christ be May he lie low and let Christ be May he lie low and let Christ be exalted. exalted. exalted. >> And use him mightily in ways he couldn't >> And use him mightily in ways he couldn't >> And use him mightily in ways he couldn't even imagine right now. even imagine right now. even imagine right now. >> Yes, Lord. >> Yes, Lord. >> Yes, Lord. >> And bless millions through him. I pray. >> And bless millions through him. I pray. >> And bless millions through him. I pray. Thank you for these fleeting moments Thank you for these fleeting moments Thank you for these fleeting moments we've had together. we've had together. we've had together. They mean so much to us. They mean so much to us. They mean so much to us. They make us love you more, Lord, They make us love you more, Lord, They make us love you more, Lord, and make us love one another more as and make us love one another more as and make us love one another more as well. In the name of Christ who loved us and In the name of Christ who loved us and gave himself for us, gave himself for us, gave himself for us, we pray.

we pray. we pray. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Well, it's an honor to be with you, >> Well, it's an honor to be with you, >> Well, it's an honor to be with you, Greg, and you mean the world to me and Greg, and you mean the world to me and Greg, and you mean the world to me and to my family. Thank you for all you do to my family. Thank you for all you do to my family. Thank you for all you do and all you represent. May Christ be and all you represent. May Christ be and all you represent. May Christ be glorified in it all. glorified in it all. glorified in it all. >> Amen. Well, thanks so much for being >> Amen. Well, thanks so much for being >> Amen. Well, thanks so much for being here, Chuck. here, Chuck. here, Chuck. >> You're welcome. >> You're welcome. >> You're welcome. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Hey, thanks for joining me today. Subscribe to my YouTube channel, follow Subscribe to my YouTube channel, follow Subscribe to my YouTube channel, follow me on social media, and be sure to me on social media, and be sure to me on social media, and be sure to download the Harvest Plus app, where you download the Harvest Plus app, where you download the Harvest Plus app, where you will find exclusive content just for will find exclusive content just for will find exclusive content just for you. See you next time. [music]