What To Do When Faith Feels Dry | Psalm 80 & 1 John 4

>> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Chris. >> I'm Chris. >> I'm Chris. >> I'm Mish. [music] >> I'm Mish. [music] >> I'm Mish. [music] >> And we are talking about Psalm 80 and 1 >> And we are talking about Psalm 80 and 1 >> And we are talking about Psalm 80 and 1 John 4. 1 John 4 brings back such John 4. 1 John 4 brings back such John 4. 1 John 4 brings back such [music] warm memories for me. Uh little [music] warm memories for me. Uh little [music] warm memories for me. Uh little Chuck, my my big sister, not my little Chuck, my my big sister, not my little Chuck, my my big sister, not my little sister, but my big sister uh taught me a sister, but my big sister uh taught me a sister, but my big sister uh taught me a song based on 1 John 4:7 and 8 and I can song based on 1 John 4:7 and 8 and I can song based on 1 John 4:7 and 8 and I can still sing it to this day. So, beloved, still sing it to this day. So, beloved, still sing it to this day. So, beloved, let us love one another for love is of let us love one another for love is of let us love one another for love is of God and everyone that loves is born of God and everyone that loves is born of God and everyone that loves is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not God and knoweth God. He that loveth not God and knoweth God. He that loveth not It was King James version by the way. It was King James version by the way. It was King James version by the way. Knoweth not God for God is love. So, Knoweth not God for God is love. So, Knoweth not God for God is love. So, beloved, let us love one another. 1 John beloved, let us love one another. 1 John beloved, let us love one another. 1 John 4:7 and 8. 4:7 and 8. 4:7 and 8. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I still remember that song. Thank you, >> I still remember that song. Thank you, >> I still remember that song. Thank you, Lonnie. Thank you, my sister, for Lonnie. Thank you, my sister, for Lonnie. Thank you, my sister, for teaching me that. And I love That's one teaching me that. And I love That's one teaching me that. And I love That's one of my favorite verses. Uh maybe because of my favorite verses. Uh maybe because of my favorite verses. Uh maybe because I have a song that goes with it, but I have a song that goes with it, but I have a song that goes with it, but also because it just has so much to say also because it just has so much to say also because it just has so much to say about the power of love. So, my question about the power of love. So, my question about the power of love. So, my question is how has receiving God's love impacted is how has receiving God's love impacted is how has receiving God's love impacted how you love other people? Cuz that's how you love other people? Cuz that's how you love other people? Cuz that's what 1 John 4:7 and 8 is all about. And what 1 John 4:7 and 8 is all about. And what 1 John 4:7 and 8 is all about. And let me say this.

let me say this. let me say this. I I would say for me, I am receiving I I would say for me, I am receiving I I would say for me, I am receiving God's love and it is changing how I God's love and it is changing how I God's love and it is changing how I treat people. Like I have not arrived, treat people. Like I have not arrived, treat people. Like I have not arrived, right? There are depths of understanding right? There are depths of understanding right? There are depths of understanding of God's love that I have yet to come to of God's love that I have yet to come to of God's love that I have yet to come to and every time another one gets and every time another one gets and every time another one gets unlocked, it's like, oh, unlocked, it's like, oh, unlocked, it's like, oh, it gives me more of what I need, it gives me more of what I need, it gives me more of what I need, perspective, grace, patience, endurance perspective, grace, patience, endurance perspective, grace, patience, endurance to love people in my life better, to love people in my life better, to love people in my life better, hopefully, you know, over time. So, it's hopefully, you know, over time. So, it's hopefully, you know, over time. So, it's a process. a process. a process. >> Yeah, I would say like if I truly let >> Yeah, I would say like if I truly let >> Yeah, I would say like if I truly let myself be loved by God, myself be loved by God, myself be loved by God, I very quickly realize how much I need I very quickly realize how much I need I very quickly realize how much I need that love because of how messed up I am that love because of how messed up I am that love because of how messed up I am and I just desperately need that and and I just desperately need that and and I just desperately need that and then in turn then in turn then in turn it allows me to it allows me to it allows me to it gives me compassion and grace for it gives me compassion and grace for it gives me compassion and grace for people. I'm so much more quick to be people. I'm so much more quick to be people. I'm so much more quick to be judgemental and critical and judgemental and critical and judgemental and critical and short-tempered and lack of patience when short-tempered and lack of patience when short-tempered and lack of patience when I don't think I need God's love. And I'm I don't think I need God's love. And I'm I don't think I need God's love. And I'm like, I'm good. Like I've achieved some like, I'm good. Like I've achieved some like, I'm good. Like I've achieved some status where like I'm fine. And status where like I'm fine. And status where like I'm fine. And but his love for me makes me realize but his love for me makes me realize but his love for me makes me realize like, oh gosh, I need this badly. And like, oh gosh, I need this badly. And like, oh gosh, I need this badly. And it just gives me so much more patience it just gives me so much more patience it just gives me so much more patience with others cuz like we're all on the with others cuz like we're all on the with others cuz like we're all on the same playing field. We all need this same playing field. We all need this same playing field. We all need this love and grace and patience.

love and grace and patience. love and grace and patience. >> I echo all No, I just >> I echo all No, I just >> I echo all No, I just >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> The only thing I would add is just like >> The only thing I would add is just like >> The only thing I would add is just like I think I think I think sometimes when I realize things are out sometimes when I realize things are out sometimes when I realize things are out of whack in how I'm loving others or how of whack in how I'm loving others or how of whack in how I'm loving others or how I'm showing up for others I'm showing up for others I'm showing up for others and I start to like notice things, it's and I start to like notice things, it's and I start to like notice things, it's usually like an outage in me where God's usually like an outage in me where God's usually like an outage in me where God's trying to love me trying to love me trying to love me and help me get through something and and help me get through something and and help me get through something and I'm like, oh, I'm really sensitive to I'm like, oh, I'm really sensitive to I'm like, oh, I'm really sensitive to this with other people this with other people this with other people because it's the exact thing that I because it's the exact thing that I because it's the exact thing that I need. So I think like need. So I think like need. So I think like >> You're saying the same thing that you're >> You're saying the same thing that you're >> You're saying the same thing that you're seeing in them. It's a weird seeing in them. It's a weird seeing in them. It's a weird >> see it and I'm like, oh no, this is my >> see it and I'm like, oh no, this is my >> see it and I'm like, oh no, this is my blind spot, God. Thank you for allowing blind spot, God. Thank you for allowing blind spot, God. Thank you for allowing me to see the log in my or the speck in me to see the log in my or the speck in me to see the log in my or the speck in my neighbor's eye but not pick the log my neighbor's eye but not pick the log my neighbor's eye but not pick the log like what like what like what >> like it's actually like a superpower. >> like it's actually like a superpower. >> like it's actually like a superpower. Like you're saying No, no, no, seriously Like you're saying No, no, no, seriously Like you're saying No, no, no, seriously cuz you're saying like it's the log in cuz you're saying like it's the log in cuz you're saying like it's the log in your own eye and the speck but like most your own eye and the speck but like most your own eye and the speck but like most people don't acknowledge that. And I people don't acknowledge that. And I people don't acknowledge that. And I would say God's actually probably would say God's actually probably would say God's actually probably uniquely gifted you with that. Be uniquely gifted you with that. Be uniquely gifted you with that. Be when you're able to recognize people's when you're able to recognize people's when you're able to recognize people's misgivings or challenges or whatever misgivings or challenges or whatever misgivings or challenges or whatever because of your own as well. I don't because of your own as well. I don't because of your own as well. I don't know. Maybe.

know. Maybe. know. Maybe. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> superhero. >> superhero. >> superhero. >> Hey, and that's what I heard today, >> Hey, and that's what I heard today, >> Hey, and that's what I heard today, guys. I'm a superhero. >> Now, we all, like I said, it's a process >> Now, we all, like I said, it's a process on how and when we're receiving the love on how and when we're receiving the love on how and when we're receiving the love of God. And we also have dry spells. of God. And we also have dry spells. of God. And we also have dry spells. That's a normal part of a relationship That's a normal part of a relationship That's a normal part of a relationship with Jesus. with Jesus. with Jesus. I wonder what helps you reconnect if I wonder what helps you reconnect if I wonder what helps you reconnect if you've been in a dry place. And you've been in a dry place. And you've been in a dry place. And sometimes it's not up to you I'm never sometimes it's not up to you I'm never sometimes it's not up to you I'm never up to us. Up to the Holy Spirit. But up to us. Up to the Holy Spirit. But up to us. Up to the Holy Spirit. But like, are there things that you've like, are there things that you've like, are there things that you've learned help you reconnect to the love learned help you reconnect to the love learned help you reconnect to the love of God and and to your relationship with of God and and to your relationship with of God and and to your relationship with God? God? God? >> I mean, I would love to hear from you >> I mean, I would love to hear from you >> I mean, I would love to hear from you guys because I feel like it's a hard guys because I feel like it's a hard guys because I feel like it's a hard question for me because I question for me because I question for me because I I wrestle with the thought of like, I wrestle with the thought of like, I wrestle with the thought of like, okay, okay, okay, what like if I'm not doing well with God what like if I'm not doing well with God what like if I'm not doing well with God or I feel like I'm in a dry season, I'm or I feel like I'm in a dry season, I'm or I feel like I'm in a dry season, I'm like, all right, new worship playlist or like, all right, new worship playlist or like, all right, new worship playlist or like let's read the New Testament so the like let's read the New Testament so the like let's read the New Testament so the Old Testament or like I will change a Old Testament or like I will change a Old Testament or like I will change a bunch of things and I feel like in that bunch of things and I feel like in that bunch of things and I feel like in that I can make it about like, well, this is I can make it about like, well, this is I can make it about like, well, this is about me just feeling something. Like I about me just feeling something. Like I about me just feeling something. Like I wasn't feeling something at the end of wasn't feeling something at the end of wasn't feeling something at the end of the day. I'm just chasing this feeling. the day. I'm just chasing this feeling. the day. I'm just chasing this feeling. Like I want to feel closer to God. So Like I want to feel closer to God. So Like I want to feel closer to God. So I'm just going to manufacture a bunch of I'm just going to manufacture a bunch of I'm just going to manufacture a bunch of stuff and stuff and stuff and I feel like I've seen some like I guess I feel like I've seen some like I guess I feel like I've seen some like I guess the unsexy answer in some ways is like the unsexy answer in some ways is like the unsexy answer in some ways is like staying the course.

staying the course. staying the course. When in reality, everything I want to do When in reality, everything I want to do When in reality, everything I want to do is jump ship and like find the next is jump ship and like find the next is jump ship and like find the next stimulating thing. Like that new worship stimulating thing. Like that new worship stimulating thing. Like that new worship song or like that new verse or that new song or like that new verse or that new song or like that new verse or that new sermon to make me feel on fire again. sermon to make me feel on fire again. sermon to make me feel on fire again. And at the end of the day, it's like And at the end of the day, it's like And at the end of the day, it's like about me about me about me creating this love as opposed to just creating this love as opposed to just creating this love as opposed to just staring down the barrel at God's love staring down the barrel at God's love staring down the barrel at God's love for me for me for me and letting that over time like go and letting that over time like go and letting that over time like go through the waves of life cuz it's often through the waves of life cuz it's often through the waves of life cuz it's often like a circumstantial thing that made me like a circumstantial thing that made me like a circumstantial thing that made me feel dry. It's like feel dry. It's like feel dry. It's like something in life is hard or like it's something in life is hard or like it's something in life is hard or like it's kind of boring and I'm just like, all kind of boring and I'm just like, all kind of boring and I'm just like, all right, I need a new feeling and I kind right, I need a new feeling and I kind right, I need a new feeling and I kind of just make it all about myself. So I of just make it all about myself. So I of just make it all about myself. So I don't know. I feel like I wrestle with don't know. I feel like I wrestle with don't know. I feel like I wrestle with the like changing habits versus staying the like changing habits versus staying the like changing habits versus staying the course kind of tension. the course kind of tension. the course kind of tension. >> Yeah. That's so good and convicting cuz >> Yeah. That's so good and convicting cuz >> Yeah. That's so good and convicting cuz I was about to say my answer is a new I was about to say my answer is a new I was about to say my answer is a new playlist. A new worship playlist. No, I playlist. A new worship playlist. No, I playlist. A new worship playlist. No, I mean, here's here I mean, music helps mean, here's here I mean, music helps mean, here's here I mean, music helps me, right? Music helps me and that's me, right? Music helps me and that's me, right? Music helps me and that's true. But I I I'm really I think I'm so true. But I I I'm really I think I'm so true. But I I I'm really I think I'm so glad you said that, Chris, cuz it's like glad you said that, Chris, cuz it's like glad you said that, Chris, cuz it's like yeah, how much of that though is about yeah, how much of that though is about yeah, how much of that though is about me trying to chase an emotion me trying to chase an emotion me trying to chase an emotion versus maybe sitting in the discomfort versus maybe sitting in the discomfort versus maybe sitting in the discomfort of the dryness without that stimuli. So of the dryness without that stimuli. So of the dryness without that stimuli. So dude, man, that I'm glad you said that.

dude, man, that I'm glad you said that. dude, man, that I'm glad you said that. I I I to hear that. I needed to hear I I I to hear that. I needed to hear I I I to hear that. I needed to hear that. that. that. >> I don't think both of those things can >> I don't think both of those things can >> I don't think both of those things can be true. right? be true. right? be true. right? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um I I I have found a deep >> Um I I I have found a deep >> Um I I I have found a deep satisfaction for some of like these satisfaction for some of like these satisfaction for some of like these older older older I people would probably call them very I people would probably call them very I people would probably call them very religious like indoctrino um disciplines religious like indoctrino um disciplines religious like indoctrino um disciplines that I did not grow up taking part in that I did not grow up taking part in that I did not grow up taking part in because I didn't grow up in the church. because I didn't grow up in the church. because I didn't grow up in the church. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Like there's almost like this reverence >> Like there's almost like this reverence >> Like there's almost like this reverence towards like these disciplines that I towards like these disciplines that I towards like these disciplines that I feel like has been teaching me more feel like has been teaching me more feel like has been teaching me more about the love of Christ. But the the about the love of Christ. But the the about the love of Christ. But the the second one I say the main one honestly second one I say the main one honestly second one I say the main one honestly >> What's an example of that though? You >> What's an example of that though? You >> What's an example of that though? You you mentioned it. So what's an example you mentioned it. So what's an example you mentioned it. So what's an example of a of a of a >> Like >> Like >> Like uh reciting like the Apostolic Creed or uh reciting like the Apostolic Creed or uh reciting like the Apostolic Creed or like the Aaronic uh blessing and stuff like the Aaronic uh blessing and stuff like the Aaronic uh blessing and stuff like that. Stuff that you would do in like that. Stuff that you would do in like that. Stuff that you would do in some more like older denominational type some more like older denominational type some more like older denominational type um or even like Eastern Orthodox type um or even like Eastern Orthodox type um or even like Eastern Orthodox type >> Like structured prayers. Prayers that >> Like structured prayers. Prayers that >> Like structured prayers. Prayers that are already are already are already >> prayers. I have a funny story about that >> prayers. I have a funny story about that >> prayers. I have a funny story about that that we don't have time to share, but that we don't have time to share, but that we don't have time to share, but >> Cut that. >> Cut that. >> Cut that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Uh but the second one honestly has been >> Uh but the second one honestly has been >> Uh but the second one honestly has been like just brokenness. I think like God like just brokenness. I think like God like just brokenness. I think like God breaking me. I'm so thankful that I was breaking me. I'm so thankful that I was breaking me. I'm so thankful that I was able to receive the Holy Spirit through able to receive the Holy Spirit through able to receive the Holy Spirit through a relationship with Jesus because a relationship with Jesus because a relationship with Jesus because there's so many times when like there's so many times when like there's so many times when like there's a dry spell of like the love of there's a dry spell of like the love of there's a dry spell of like the love of Christ that it's coming from me and it's Christ that it's coming from me and it's Christ that it's coming from me and it's only through brokenness over time that only through brokenness over time that only through brokenness over time that allows me to discern allows me to discern allows me to discern >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> that brokenness. Discern that lack of >> that brokenness. Discern that lack of >> that brokenness. Discern that lack of love and retrib- reattribute myself back love and retrib- reattribute myself back love and retrib- reattribute myself back to God. to God. to God. >> Yeah. So good. Well, I mean as we think >> Yeah. So good. Well, I mean as we think >> Yeah. So good. Well, I mean as we think about today and lots of scripture there, about today and lots of scripture there, about today and lots of scripture there, man man man whatever serves love. whatever serves love. whatever serves love. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Whatever serves love. >> Whatever serves love. >> Whatever serves love. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> That is the highest order in God's >> That is the highest order in God's >> That is the highest order in God's universe. universe. universe. Um and love we know is not just a Um and love we know is not just a Um and love we know is not just a feeling, but it's a person, right? So feeling, but it's a person, right? So feeling, but it's a person, right? So when we are connecting with Jesus, we when we are connecting with Jesus, we when we are connecting with Jesus, we are experiencing love [music] in its are experiencing love [music] in its are experiencing love [music] in its truest form. So may you do that today truest form. So may you do that today truest form. So may you do that today and may you do that in the days to come.