Closeness for Casualness | 1 Samuel 6

It makes me think of getting too casual It makes me think of getting too casual with my parents as a child. [laughter] with my parents as a child. [laughter] with my parents as a child. [laughter] >> And have you tried that, Jamie? >> And have you tried that, Jamie? >> And have you tried that, Jamie? >> And my mom being like, I'm not one of >> And my mom being like, I'm not one of >> And my mom being like, I'm not one of your little friends [laughter] your little friends [laughter] your little friends [laughter] and y'all you and y'all you and y'all you and all of a sudden you have that and all of a sudden you have that and all of a sudden you have that realization of like, I found a line realization of like, I found a line realization of like, I found a line >> and I have crossed it. >> and I have crossed it. >> and I have crossed it. >> That's right. There is a level of >> That's right. There is a level of >> That's right. There is a level of respect regardless of how close God is respect regardless of how close God is respect regardless of how close God is to you or how close you are to God, how to you or how close you are to God, how to you or how close you are to God, how much you experience his love. There is a much you experience his love. There is a much you experience his love. There is a level of respect and awe and reverence level of respect and awe and reverence level of respect and awe and reverence that he is just due. that he is just due. that he is just due. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not because of anything he's done, but >> Not because of anything he's done, but >> Not because of anything he's done, but because of who he is. because of who he is. because of who he is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when the Bible shows up in real life. Hey, I'm Chuck. Hey, I'm Chuck. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Peter. [music] I'm Jordan. And we >> I'm Peter. [music] I'm Jordan. And we >> I'm Peter. [music] I'm Jordan. And we are in 1st Samuel 5 talking about the are in 1st Samuel 5 talking about the are in 1st Samuel 5 talking about the I'm sorry, six, talking about the return I'm sorry, six, talking about the return I'm sorry, six, talking about the return of the ark of the ark of the ark >> to Israel and this this epic. It's kind >> to Israel and this this epic. It's kind >> to Israel and this this epic. It's kind of been like a little mini saga with the of been like a little mini saga with the of been like a little mini saga with the ark, right? You know, we had a chapter ark, right? You know, we had a chapter ark, right? You know, we had a chapter where the ark, they thought the ark was where the ark, they thought the ark was where the ark, they thought the ark was a good luck charm and it didn't work out a good luck charm and it didn't work out a good luck charm and it didn't work out that way for Israel and we learned some that way for Israel and we learned some that way for Israel and we learned some things there. And now the then the things there. And now the then the things there. And now the then the Philistines have that hilarious thing Philistines have that hilarious thing Philistines have that hilarious thing happen with their god falling down in happen with their god falling down in happen with their god falling down in front of the ark and you know showing front of the ark and you know showing front of the ark and you know showing that our god reigns above it all. And that our god reigns above it all. And that our god reigns above it all. And then now today it's like the Philistines then now today it's like the Philistines then now today it's like the Philistines kind of get hip to the game and they're kind of get hip to the game and they're kind of get hip to the game and they're like okay we need to get this thing back like okay we need to get this thing back like okay we need to get this thing back [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> to its rightful owner which is not us.

>> to its rightful owner which is not us. >> to its rightful owner which is not us. Um and so I just it's interesting to Um and so I just it's interesting to Um and so I just it's interesting to think about the approach that even the think about the approach that even the think about the approach that even the Philistines versus the Israelites have Philistines versus the Israelites have Philistines versus the Israelites have to God in this chapter. So h how do you to God in this chapter. So h how do you to God in this chapter. So h how do you approach God? What are some ways you approach God? What are some ways you approach God? What are some ways you find yourself approaching God? find yourself approaching God? find yourself approaching God? >> I think it's beautiful. We we do have >> I think it's beautiful. We we do have >> I think it's beautiful. We we do have freedom and the ways we can approach God freedom and the ways we can approach God freedom and the ways we can approach God today because of Jesus today because of Jesus today because of Jesus >> and this and and his sacrifice that like >> and this and and his sacrifice that like >> and this and and his sacrifice that like the Israelites, the people in this time the Israelites, the people in this time the Israelites, the people in this time did not have that same level of freedom, did not have that same level of freedom, did not have that same level of freedom, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> It doesn't mean we can't still learn >> It doesn't mean we can't still learn >> It doesn't mean we can't still learn from their methods. So, a priest from their methods. So, a priest from their methods. So, a priest consecrating themselves before going consecrating themselves before going consecrating themselves before going into the temple. Yes, into the temple. Yes, into the temple. Yes, >> there are times where I feel a >> there are times where I feel a >> there are times where I feel a conviction to consecrate myself, conviction to consecrate myself, conviction to consecrate myself, >> to confess, to repent, to >> to confess, to repent, to >> to confess, to repent, to >> to prepare my heart to receive from God >> to prepare my heart to receive from God >> to prepare my heart to receive from God in a special way. in a special way. in a special way. >> Um, but there's also times where I think >> Um, but there's also times where I think >> Um, but there's also times where I think I mentioned earlier, you know, I'm doing I mentioned earlier, you know, I'm doing I mentioned earlier, you know, I'm doing the dishes and I'm talking to him, the dishes and I'm talking to him, the dishes and I'm talking to him, right? I mean, so it's right? I mean, so it's right? I mean, so it's >> we we have the benefit almost of of a >> we we have the benefit almost of of a >> we we have the benefit almost of of a cornucopia of options, cornucopia of options, cornucopia of options, >> but >> but >> but >> the other thing we have is the Holy >> the other thing we have is the Holy >> the other thing we have is the Holy Spirit, God's presence within us that Spirit, God's presence within us that Spirit, God's presence within us that will convict us and show us the way. will convict us and show us the way. will convict us and show us the way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so, we have to listen to that >> And so, we have to listen to that >> And so, we have to listen to that conviction. And there are probably times conviction. And there are probably times conviction. And there are probably times where, where, where, >> you know, I don't listen to that >> you know, I don't listen to that >> you know, I don't listen to that conviction in the right way. And that's conviction in the right way. And that's conviction in the right way. And that's and then, you know, that that can that and then, you know, that that can that and then, you know, that that can that can hurt my ability to engage with God.

can hurt my ability to engage with God. can hurt my ability to engage with God. >> That's good. It makes me think of a >> That's good. It makes me think of a >> That's good. It makes me think of a framework that we learned as a church framework that we learned as a church framework that we learned as a church some time ago that, you know, there are some time ago that, you know, there are some time ago that, you know, there are two reflections of God. If you want to two reflections of God. If you want to two reflections of God. If you want to break it down to like what are the break it down to like what are the break it down to like what are the simplest terms of how God reveals simplest terms of how God reveals simplest terms of how God reveals himself in scripture and there's two. himself in scripture and there's two. himself in scripture and there's two. God reveals himself as a father God reveals himself as a father God reveals himself as a father >> and God reveals himself as a king. Mhm. >> and God reveals himself as a king. Mhm. >> and God reveals himself as a king. Mhm. >> And a father is a posture. Both are >> And a father is a posture. Both are >> And a father is a posture. Both are postures of authority, but there's but postures of authority, but there's but postures of authority, but there's but there's a difference there. And one of there's a difference there. And one of there's a difference there. And one of the things we learn to kind of think the things we learn to kind of think the things we learn to kind of think about is like all of us probably have a about is like all of us probably have a about is like all of us probably have a default of those that's easier to engage default of those that's easier to engage default of those that's easier to engage God around. God around. God around. >> Right, wrong, or indifferent. Could be >> Right, wrong, or indifferent. Could be >> Right, wrong, or indifferent. Could be based on your conditioning, could be based on your conditioning, could be based on your conditioning, could be based on lots of things. But I I wonder based on lots of things. But I I wonder based on lots of things. But I I wonder if you would go, let's just go around if you would go, let's just go around if you would go, let's just go around the horn. Is it easier for you to relate the horn. Is it easier for you to relate the horn. Is it easier for you to relate to God as father or as king? to God as father or as king? to God as father or as king? >> Which what's your default? Mine mine is >> Which what's your default? Mine mine is >> Which what's your default? Mine mine is father. It's it's easier for me to father. It's it's easier for me to father. It's it's easier for me to relate to God as a loving father and the relate to God as a loving father and the relate to God as a loving father and the grace side of God, which is wonderful, grace side of God, which is wonderful, grace side of God, which is wonderful, but to diminish the authority of God. but to diminish the authority of God. but to diminish the authority of God. And sometimes I need to recognize God's And sometimes I need to recognize God's And sometimes I need to recognize God's trying to king me.

trying to king me. trying to king me. >> He He wants to king me and I need to be >> He He wants to king me and I need to be >> He He wants to king me and I need to be I need to be receptive to he loves me, I need to be receptive to he loves me, I need to be receptive to he loves me, >> but there's something he's calling me to >> but there's something he's calling me to >> but there's something he's calling me to come under his authority around. come under his authority around. come under his authority around. >> That'd be mine. >> That'd be mine. >> That'd be mine. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How about you, Jordan? Sure. >> How about you, Jordan? Sure. >> How about you, Jordan? Sure. >> Yeah. I I think I would agree with that. >> Yeah. I I think I would agree with that. >> Yeah. I I think I would agree with that. Um I think I would agree with that. Um I think I would agree with that. Um I think I would agree with that. Father is a little bit easier for me. Um Father is a little bit easier for me. Um Father is a little bit easier for me. Um I mean I became a dad in the last few I mean I became a dad in the last few I mean I became a dad in the last few years. And so the perspective on Okay, years. And so the perspective on Okay, years. And so the perspective on Okay, now I'm not just a son who has a father, now I'm not just a son who has a father, now I'm not just a son who has a father, but I also am a father who has children. but I also am a father who has children. but I also am a father who has children. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that changes the perspective of the >> And that changes the perspective of the >> And that changes the perspective of the father. And there's things I understand father. And there's things I understand father. And there's things I understand more deeply and profoundly uh about God more deeply and profoundly uh about God more deeply and profoundly uh about God because of that. But I also agree with because of that. But I also agree with because of that. But I also agree with you. There's definitely times where um I you. There's definitely times where um I you. There's definitely times where um I think about God through this lens. King think about God through this lens. King think about God through this lens. King King, the idea of king is just weird. King, the idea of king is just weird. King, the idea of king is just weird. Like even in our culture, king. I kind Like even in our culture, king. I kind Like even in our culture, king. I kind of get it, but I also like we don't live of get it, but I also like we don't live of get it, but I also like we don't live in that type of society. So there's in that type of society. So there's in that type of society. So there's elements to order and things like that elements to order and things like that elements to order and things like that that I don't fully have grasp of, but that I don't fully have grasp of, but that I don't fully have grasp of, but like that the Bible speaks about. And um like that the Bible speaks about. And um like that the Bible speaks about. And um so yeah, naturally it would be father.

so yeah, naturally it would be father. so yeah, naturally it would be father. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Jamie. >> Jamie. >> Jamie. >> King. >> King. >> King. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That's that's the filter. um for like a >> That's that's the filter. um for like a >> That's that's the filter. um for like a couple different reasons. I'll just give couple different reasons. I'll just give couple different reasons. I'll just give two. One, um I've struggled with God as two. One, um I've struggled with God as two. One, um I've struggled with God as father because I have such a good father because I have such a good father because I have such a good earthly dad that I'm incredibly close to earthly dad that I'm incredibly close to earthly dad that I'm incredibly close to who so like whenever it's like who so like whenever it's like who so like whenever it's like if like in the New Testament it's like if like in the New Testament it's like if like in the New Testament it's like you if you an evil father would give you if you an evil father would give you if you an evil father would give your child a good gift like how much your child a good gift like how much your child a good gift like how much better would the gift be from God, better would the gift be from God, better would the gift be from God, right? I'm like but my dad gave me great right? I'm like but my dad gave me great right? I'm like but my dad gave me great gifts and he still does. Um, [laughter] gifts and he still does. Um, [laughter] gifts and he still does. Um, [laughter] so then that that's like that's hard. so then that that's like that's hard. so then that that's like that's hard. But also because there's things that But also because there's things that But also because there's things that I've wanted for my life that I feel like I've wanted for my life that I feel like I've wanted for my life that I feel like I haven't received yet from God and that I haven't received yet from God and that I haven't received yet from God and that makes it hard to see him as a good dad. makes it hard to see him as a good dad. makes it hard to see him as a good dad. >> And so like authority, >> And so like authority, >> And so like authority, >> um, order, like I have a real like >> um, order, like I have a real like >> um, order, like I have a real like logical brain, so I'm like I can I can logical brain, so I'm like I can I can logical brain, so I'm like I can I can get in line. I can't be a soldier in our get in line. I can't be a soldier in our get in line. I can't be a soldier in our military here in the United States. Uh, military here in the United States. Uh, military here in the United States. Uh, that wouldn't work for me. But it like that wouldn't work for me. But it like that wouldn't work for me. But it like for God. Like that just is that's clear.

for God. Like that just is that's clear. for God. Like that just is that's clear. It is not messy. It is not messy. It is not messy. >> Um and so I tend that way to see God as >> Um and so I tend that way to see God as >> Um and so I tend that way to see God as king king king >> and I know he's a good father and I >> and I know he's a good father and I >> and I know he's a good father and I that's the place where I have to spend that's the place where I have to spend that's the place where I have to spend more time reminding myself. more time reminding myself. more time reminding myself. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for unpacking that >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for unpacking that >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for unpacking that though. That's really helpful the way though. That's really helpful the way though. That's really helpful the way you unpack it. you unpack it. you unpack it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I I see God as a king more. >> I I see God as a king more. >> I I see God as a king more. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Probably. [laughter] >> Probably. [laughter] >> Probably. [laughter] >> Yeah. probably probably as a legacy of >> Yeah. probably probably as a legacy of >> Yeah. probably probably as a legacy of my more kind of legalistic religious my more kind of legalistic religious my more kind of legalistic religious performance-based kind of upbringing is performance-based kind of upbringing is performance-based kind of upbringing is is definitely so it's easier to see okay is definitely so it's easier to see okay is definitely so it's easier to see okay >> a king historically you know his >> a king historically you know his >> a king historically you know his relationship was defined in a hierarchal relationship was defined in a hierarchal relationship was defined in a hierarchal fashion and his he made demands of his fashion and his he made demands of his fashion and his he made demands of his subjects and then offered his subjects subjects and then offered his subjects subjects and then offered his subjects protection or offer subject benefit protection or offer subject benefit protection or offer subject benefit >> in exchange for for those tasks whatever >> in exchange for for those tasks whatever >> in exchange for for those tasks whatever those tasks would be and I'm like okay I those tasks would be and I'm like okay I those tasks would be and I'm like okay I can do that can do that can do that >> but that also means that's not a >> but that also means that's not a >> but that also means that's not a personal vulnerable relationship and personal vulnerable relationship and personal vulnerable relationship and that's and that's not a relationship that's and that's not a relationship that's and that's not a relationship where you receive where you receive where you receive in in in that kind of way. So, and it in in in that kind of way. So, and it in in in that kind of way. So, and it requires vulnerability from me. And I requires vulnerability from me. And I requires vulnerability from me. And I think that's really think that's really think that's really >> the way God continues to push me is, you >> the way God continues to push me is, you >> the way God continues to push me is, you know, be vulnerable with me, share with know, be vulnerable with me, share with know, be vulnerable with me, share with me. Let me let me father you. Let me let me. Let me let me father you. Let me let me. Let me let me father you. Let me let me come around you. Let me embrace you.

me come around you. Let me embrace you. me come around you. Let me embrace you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm not just a task master, >> You know, I'm not just a task master, >> You know, I'm not just a task master, you know. And I think that's really what you know. And I think that's really what you know. And I think that's really what you're getting at, Chuck, is you're getting at, Chuck, is you're getting at, Chuck, is >> everyone. We write a story about who God >> everyone. We write a story about who God >> everyone. We write a story about who God is, is, is, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And it's always one facet of many >> And it's always one facet of many >> And it's always one facet of many facets, and we tend to emphasize that facets, and we tend to emphasize that facets, and we tend to emphasize that one facet at the expense of all the one facet at the expense of all the one facet at the expense of all the other parts of God. other parts of God. other parts of God. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> And so I think at any point when okay, I >> And so I think at any point when okay, I >> And so I think at any point when okay, I only see God as a friend. I only see him only see God as a friend. I only see him only see God as a friend. I only see him as a counselor. I only see him as a as a counselor. I only see him as a as a counselor. I only see him as a father, a king, he has so many names in father, a king, he has so many names in father, a king, he has so many names in scripture, and we can just pick one and scripture, and we can just pick one and scripture, and we can just pick one and be like, that's the one I like. be like, that's the one I like. be like, that's the one I like. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it's not a choose your own >> But it's not a choose your own >> But it's not a choose your own adventure. adventure. adventure. >> No, it's not. Well, and I love that >> No, it's not. Well, and I love that >> No, it's not. Well, and I love that because I think the thing that's in this because I think the thing that's in this because I think the thing that's in this chapter that we just got to deal with is chapter that we just got to deal with is chapter that we just got to deal with is like, man, so the ark comes back, like, man, so the ark comes back, like, man, so the ark comes back, >> but there's a group of people who >> but there's a group of people who >> but there's a group of people who disrespect the ark, right? you know, and disrespect the ark, right? you know, and disrespect the ark, right? you know, and and and you you if you if you're and and you you if you if you're and and you you if you if you're connected to the Old Testament, like connected to the Old Testament, like connected to the Old Testament, like they're breaking very real laws. They they're breaking very real laws. They they're breaking very real laws. They like they knew and and by the way, the like they knew and and by the way, the like they knew and and by the way, the people in this village where it's coming people in this village where it's coming people in this village where it's coming back to are from the tribe of Levi. back to are from the tribe of Levi. back to are from the tribe of Levi. That's the priestly tribe. So, if That's the priestly tribe. So, if That's the priestly tribe. So, if anybody would have known like the anybody would have known like the anybody would have known like the wherefors and the whatnotss, they should wherefors and the whatnotss, they should wherefors and the whatnotss, they should have known that have known that have known that >> and they violated it. And um >> and they violated it. And um >> and they violated it. And um >> my my my daddy God, my dad who's a good >> my my my daddy God, my dad who's a good >> my my my daddy God, my dad who's a good father father father >> kills kills. How do you make sense of >> kills kills. How do you make sense of >> kills kills. How do you make sense of that? And it makes me realize there are that? And it makes me realize there are that? And it makes me realize there are times when I am too casual with God times when I am too casual with God times when I am too casual with God >> because again, everybody who's watching >> because again, everybody who's watching >> because again, everybody who's watching may not be there, but when I read these may not be there, but when I read these may not be there, but when I read these things in the Old Testament, it doesn't things in the Old Testament, it doesn't things in the Old Testament, it doesn't bring into question whether or not God bring into question whether or not God bring into question whether or not God is good. I know God is good.

is good. I know God is good. is good. I know God is good. >> Um, so there's something there that I'm >> Um, so there's something there that I'm >> Um, so there's something there that I'm not understanding about why it was good not understanding about why it was good not understanding about why it was good for him to do that. So, how do you how for him to do that. So, how do you how for him to do that. So, how do you how do you make sense of that? How do you do you make sense of that? How do you do you make sense of that? How do you make sense of how God responds to the make sense of how God responds to the make sense of how God responds to the violation these people do? violation these people do? violation these people do? >> It it makes me think of getting too >> It it makes me think of getting too >> It it makes me think of getting too casual with my parents as a child. casual with my parents as a child. casual with my parents as a child. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] And have you tried that Jamie? And have you tried that Jamie? And have you tried that Jamie? >> And my mom being like, I'm not one of >> And my mom being like, I'm not one of >> And my mom being like, I'm not one of your little friends [laughter] your little friends [laughter] your little friends [laughter] >> and y'all you >> and y'all you >> and y'all you and then all of a sudden you have that and then all of a sudden you have that and then all of a sudden you have that realization of like I found a line realization of like I found a line realization of like I found a line >> and I have crossed it. That's right. >> and I have crossed it. That's right. >> and I have crossed it. That's right. >> Now how do I back it up? >> Now how do I back it up? >> Now how do I back it up? >> That's right. If I know it's good for me >> That's right. If I know it's good for me >> That's right. If I know it's good for me >> without receiving a spanking cuz I lived >> without receiving a spanking cuz I lived >> without receiving a spanking cuz I lived in one of those homes. Um and it just in one of those homes. Um and it just in one of those homes. Um and it just was one of those things of like was one of those things of like was one of those things of like >> now you're right. >> now you're right. >> now you're right. >> Okay. Um it just like puts things in >> Okay. Um it just like puts things in >> Okay. Um it just like puts things in order like you get that kind of shock order like you get that kind of shock order like you get that kind of shock back to reality back to reality back to reality >> and and understanding like there is a >> and and understanding like there is a >> and and understanding like there is a level of respect regardless of how close level of respect regardless of how close level of respect regardless of how close God is to you or how close you are to God is to you or how close you are to God is to you or how close you are to God, how much you experience his love, God, how much you experience his love, God, how much you experience his love, there is a level of respect and awe and there is a level of respect and awe and there is a level of respect and awe and reverence that he is just due.

reverence that he is just due. reverence that he is just due. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not because of anything he's done, but >> Not because of anything he's done, but >> Not because of anything he's done, but because of who he is. Yeah. because of who he is. Yeah. because of who he is. Yeah. >> And so like and sometimes I just need to >> And so like and sometimes I just need to >> And so like and sometimes I just need to be reminded be reminded be reminded >> and he knows that like all the times >> and he knows that like all the times >> and he knows that like all the times when God's like remember. when God's like remember. when God's like remember. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. That's >> Mhm. That's >> Mhm. That's >> this is another one where he's like >> this is another one where he's like >> this is another one where he's like >> remember. >> remember. >> remember. >> Yeah. I think about >> Yeah. I think about >> Yeah. I think about God in the Bible having just preferences God in the Bible having just preferences God in the Bible having just preferences or things that he says that he likes. or things that he says that he likes. or things that he says that he likes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like all different times throughout the >> Like all different times throughout the >> Like all different times throughout the Old Testament, New Testament, there's Old Testament, New Testament, there's Old Testament, New Testament, there's things that he God is just like, I want things that he God is just like, I want things that he God is just like, I want you to do this. I like it. you to do this. I like it. you to do this. I like it. >> Yeah. [laughter] like it makes me happy, >> Yeah. [laughter] like it makes me happy, >> Yeah. [laughter] like it makes me happy, you know, or or I I just like it. And I you know, or or I I just like it. And I you know, or or I I just like it. And I just think about even like my just think about even like my just think about even like my relationship that I have with friends or relationship that I have with friends or relationship that I have with friends or even like my wife and there's, you know, even like my wife and there's, you know, even like my wife and there's, you know, you can talk about love languages or you can talk about love languages or you can talk about love languages or ways that she likes to be loved and ways that she likes to be loved and ways that she likes to be loved and through acts of service and I can look through acts of service and I can look through acts of service and I can look at it and be like, at it and be like, at it and be like, >> I don't necessarily care about that or >> I don't necessarily care about that or >> I don't necessarily care about that or wait, it's just this little thing and wait, it's just this little thing and wait, it's just this little thing and you just care a lot about that thing. you just care a lot about that thing. you just care a lot about that thing. It's like I don't have to understand it. It's like I don't have to understand it. It's like I don't have to understand it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I know it's like she likes it.

>> But I know it's like she likes it. >> But I know it's like she likes it. >> Yeah. And if I want to love her and >> Yeah. And if I want to love her and >> Yeah. And if I want to love her and honor her, I can just do that thing and honor her, I can just do that thing and honor her, I can just do that thing and I don't have to get it. I just I'm just I don't have to get it. I just I'm just I don't have to get it. I just I'm just like, if it makes you happy and it makes like, if it makes you happy and it makes like, if it makes you happy and it makes you feel loved and this is how you've you feel loved and this is how you've you feel loved and this is how you've told me that you want to be loved, told me that you want to be loved, told me that you want to be loved, >> then I can love you like that. >> then I can love you like that. >> then I can love you like that. >> That's so good. >> That's so good. >> That's so good. >> And so I also think about like, yeah, >> And so I also think about like, yeah, >> And so I also think about like, yeah, the other side of this is just going the other side of this is just going the other side of this is just going like, man, there's things I see like, man, there's things I see like, man, there's things I see throughout the Bible and I'm like, I throughout the Bible and I'm like, I throughout the Bible and I'm like, I don't really get it. But if God tells me don't really get it. But if God tells me don't really get it. But if God tells me that he likes when I raise my hands when that he likes when I raise my hands when that he likes when I raise my hands when I sing or when I approach him and talk I sing or when I approach him and talk I sing or when I approach him and talk to him this certain way, then I'm just to him this certain way, then I'm just to him this certain way, then I'm just like, "All right, well then I'll just do like, "All right, well then I'll just do like, "All right, well then I'll just do it." And it might be a little weird or it." And it might be a little weird or it." And it might be a little weird or uncomfortable or whatever, but if you uncomfortable or whatever, but if you uncomfortable or whatever, but if you like it, then I I want to do it. like it, then I I want to do it. like it, then I I want to do it. >> I love that. Oh, I love that, man. And >> I love that. Oh, I love that, man. And >> I love that. Oh, I love that, man. And what I love about that is you're what I love about that is you're what I love about that is you're connecting this idea of authority with connecting this idea of authority with connecting this idea of authority with relationship. relationship. relationship. >> Like, yes, I'll do it because you're >> Like, yes, I'll do it because you're >> Like, yes, I'll do it because you're powerful. powerful. powerful. >> Yeah. Yeah. or or it's your right maybe >> Yeah. Yeah. or or it's your right maybe >> Yeah. Yeah. or or it's your right maybe the way you were saying even with your the way you were saying even with your the way you were saying even with your wife like it's her right to ask for it wife like it's her right to ask for it wife like it's her right to ask for it this way. this way. this way. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Sure. Yeah. >> And I want to be in relationship with >> And I want to be in relationship with >> And I want to be in relationship with you. So I'm gonna honor that. I'm gonna you. So I'm gonna honor that. I'm gonna you. So I'm gonna honor that. I'm gonna come under that authority. I I think come under that authority. I I think come under that authority. I I think that's so good.

that's so good. that's so good. >> Yeah. The thing I think of is like when >> Yeah. The thing I think of is like when >> Yeah. The thing I think of is like when you're grandma like gets you a gift for you're grandma like gets you a gift for you're grandma like gets you a gift for Christmas that she really wanted you to Christmas that she really wanted you to Christmas that she really wanted you to have but you're like have but you're like have but you're like >> I didn't want a dictionary for >> I didn't want a dictionary for >> I didn't want a dictionary for Christmas, you know? Like uh and it's I Christmas, you know? Like uh and it's I Christmas, you know? Like uh and it's I don't want to do that with God. Like I don't want to do that with God. Like I don't want to do that with God. Like I don't want to love him in a way where don't want to love him in a way where don't want to love him in a way where I'm like don't you like really like this I'm like don't you like really like this I'm like don't you like really like this thing? and he's like, "I don't I don't thing? and he's like, "I don't I don't thing? and he's like, "I don't I don't want I don't want that." want I don't want that." want I don't want that." >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Uh I want this thing over here. And I'm >> Uh I want this thing over here. And I'm >> Uh I want this thing over here. And I'm like, "Oh, okay. Cool." like, "Oh, okay. Cool." like, "Oh, okay. Cool." >> Oh, it's so good, man. I I love that. >> Oh, it's so good, man. I I love that. >> Oh, it's so good, man. I I love that. That's a a powerful example. And it That's a a powerful example. And it That's a a powerful example. And it makes me just think about like even in makes me just think about like even in makes me just think about like even in this story, I I do think there's this story, I I do think there's this story, I I do think there's something about when you know better, something about when you know better, something about when you know better, >> you're expected to you're expected to do >> you're expected to you're expected to do >> you're expected to you're expected to do better. Like I And I feel convicted better. Like I And I feel convicted better. Like I And I feel convicted around that, you know? Like I I I think around that, you know? Like I I I think around that, you know? Like I I I think God has total grace, lots of grace for God has total grace, lots of grace for God has total grace, lots of grace for for me and for everybody. Um, I think for me and for everybody. Um, I think for me and for everybody. Um, I think about people who innocently do something about people who innocently do something about people who innocently do something that violates God's will. that violates God's will. that violates God's will. >> Innocently meaning like they they may >> Innocently meaning like they they may >> Innocently meaning like they they may not know the chapter and verse around not know the chapter and verse around not know the chapter and verse around like and I think that there there's a like and I think that there there's a like and I think that there there's a different way God's dealing with them different way God's dealing with them different way God's dealing with them than when when I who you know read and than when when I who you know read and than when when I who you know read and teach this. The Bible says it in the New teach this. The Bible says it in the New teach this. The Bible says it in the New Testament. It says those who teach will Testament. It says those who teach will Testament. It says those who teach will be judged more severely.

be judged more severely. be judged more severely. >> That's a real thing for us to think >> That's a real thing for us to think >> That's a real thing for us to think about in our relationship with God. And about in our relationship with God. And about in our relationship with God. And I think it's healthy and good for us to I think it's healthy and good for us to I think it's healthy and good for us to think about that authority side of God. think about that authority side of God. think about that authority side of God. And there's something in this that helps And there's something in this that helps And there's something in this that helps us with that because what we're really us with that because what we're really us with that because what we're really saying is God is holy. saying is God is holy. saying is God is holy. >> He's not us. He ain't one of your little >> He's not us. He ain't one of your little >> He's not us. He ain't one of your little friends. I love your mom. He ain't friends. I love your mom. He ain't friends. I love your mom. He ain't [laughter] one of your little friends, [laughter] one of your little friends, [laughter] one of your little friends, right? right? right? >> He ain't one of your little friends. >> He ain't one of your little friends. >> He ain't one of your little friends. >> He ain't one of your little friends. >> He ain't one of your little friends. >> He ain't one of your little friends. He's holy. And so what is how do we He's holy. And so what is how do we He's holy. And so what is how do we relate to our holy God? relate to our holy God? relate to our holy God? >> Taking the fullness of his grace and his >> Taking the fullness of his grace and his >> Taking the fullness of his grace and his kindness and also his authority and his kindness and also his authority and his kindness and also his authority and his power and his his right to say, "I want power and his his right to say, "I want power and his his right to say, "I want this cuz I like it this way." Mhm. this cuz I like it this way." Mhm. this cuz I like it this way." Mhm. >> How do we relate to our holy God? >> How do we relate to our holy God? >> How do we relate to our holy God? >> There's I know there's so many things to >> There's I know there's so many things to >> There's I know there's so many things to say about this, but say about this, but say about this, but >> I would say one way is to pursue >> I would say one way is to pursue >> I would say one way is to pursue holiness holiness holiness >> in honor of him to look more like Jesus >> in honor of him to look more like Jesus >> in honor of him to look more like Jesus who he gave to us to model, right? It's who he gave to us to model, right? It's who he gave to us to model, right? It's like like like >> the the the more we and I also love the >> the the the more we and I also love the >> the the the more we and I also love the phrase pursue holiness is not be holy phrase pursue holiness is not be holy phrase pursue holiness is not be holy because we actually can't do that, because we actually can't do that, because we actually can't do that, right? right? right? >> There's we don't have the capability of >> There's we don't have the capability of >> There's we don't have the capability of being holy because we are not God. But being holy because we are not God. But being holy because we are not God. But we can pursue it. M we can pursue it. M we can pursue it. M >> we can't and and I think that's that's >> we can't and and I think that's that's >> we can't and and I think that's that's what God asks of us.

what God asks of us. what God asks of us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, and and so >> You know, and and so >> You know, and and so >> um and so really I I use that as a >> um and so really I I use that as a >> um and so really I I use that as a filter for am I am I pursuing holiness filter for am I am I pursuing holiness filter for am I am I pursuing holiness with what I'm doing here or not? with what I'm doing here or not? with what I'm doing here or not? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, and that can that can there is >> You know, and that can that can there is >> You know, and that can that can there is room for that to look different for room for that to look different for room for that to look different for different people. And that's that's different people. And that's that's different people. And that's that's where where where >> when you get to too religious side, >> when you get to too religious side, >> when you get to too religious side, we're going to put too many rules around we're going to put too many rules around we're going to put too many rules around what pursuit of holiness looks like and what pursuit of holiness looks like and what pursuit of holiness looks like and then that's where it becomes not freeing then that's where it becomes not freeing then that's where it becomes not freeing anymore. It becomes another religious anymore. It becomes another religious anymore. It becomes another religious system. But system. But system. But >> yeah, and I think I think it's that. I >> yeah, and I think I think it's that. I >> yeah, and I think I think it's that. I think it's that and I think it's also think it's that and I think it's also think it's that and I think it's also surrendering my need for an explanation surrendering my need for an explanation surrendering my need for an explanation for everything is the other thing. I for everything is the other thing. I for everything is the other thing. I think that's similar you were talking think that's similar you were talking think that's similar you were talking about Jordan where about Jordan where about Jordan where >> that that was making me think about that >> that that was making me think about that >> that that was making me think about that too. I often will be like well I want to too. I often will be like well I want to too. I often will be like well I want to understand this first before I understand this first before I understand this first before I >> and it's like no whenever I start >> and it's like no whenever I start >> and it's like no whenever I start thinking like that I'm like okay I'm thinking like that I'm like okay I'm thinking like that I'm like okay I'm >> I'm no longer humble enough right now. >> I'm no longer humble enough right now. >> I'm no longer humble enough right now. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking about like >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking about like >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking about like a few foundational beliefs that I have a few foundational beliefs that I have a few foundational beliefs that I have that is just like that is just like that is just like >> God loves me. He knows best for my life. >> God loves me. He knows best for my life. >> God loves me. He knows best for my life. He wants good things for me. And like He wants good things for me. And like He wants good things for me. And like when I have just like the foundational when I have just like the foundational when I have just like the foundational things, yes, there's always questions things, yes, there's always questions things, yes, there's always questions that I want to know the answer to, but that I want to know the answer to, but that I want to know the answer to, but it helps me grow in my ability to just it helps me grow in my ability to just it helps me grow in my ability to just trust.

trust. trust. >> All right, God, you're holy. There's >> All right, God, you're holy. There's >> All right, God, you're holy. There's things that are like too wonderful for things that are like too wonderful for things that are like too wonderful for me to understand. I can't comprehend me to understand. I can't comprehend me to understand. I can't comprehend them. But if I can be on those them. But if I can be on those them. But if I can be on those foundational like beliefs, it's like, foundational like beliefs, it's like, foundational like beliefs, it's like, "All right, if this is what you want, "All right, if this is what you want, "All right, if this is what you want, this what this is the way you want me to this what this is the way you want me to this what this is the way you want me to live." live." live." >> Um, yeah, I'm gonna pursue the holiness >> Um, yeah, I'm gonna pursue the holiness >> Um, yeah, I'm gonna pursue the holiness without all of the other, without all of the other, without all of the other, >> you know, puzzle pieces kind of filled >> you know, puzzle pieces kind of filled >> you know, puzzle pieces kind of filled in, right? in, right? in, right? >> Um, and I'm going to trust that >> Um, and I'm going to trust that >> Um, and I'm going to trust that >> it's going to be good. >> it's going to be good. >> it's going to be good. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. We uh in a previous series, we >> Yeah. We uh in a previous series, we >> Yeah. We uh in a previous series, we were talking a lot about um Jesus's were talking a lot about um Jesus's were talking a lot about um Jesus's words in Matthew 11:28 where he says, words in Matthew 11:28 where he says, words in Matthew 11:28 where he says, "Come to me all who are weary and heavy "Come to me all who are weary and heavy "Come to me all who are weary and heavy laden. I will give you rest. Mhm. laden. I will give you rest. Mhm. laden. I will give you rest. Mhm. >> Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, >> Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, >> Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart and for I am gentle and lowly in heart and for I am gentle and lowly in heart and you'll find rest for your souls. And I you'll find rest for your souls. And I you'll find rest for your souls. And I think that, you know, there's a part of think that, you know, there's a part of think that, you know, there's a part of the the way that we respond to a holy the the way that we respond to a holy the the way that we respond to a holy God that reminds me a lot of the best God that reminds me a lot of the best God that reminds me a lot of the best way to ride on the back of a motorcycle. way to ride on the back of a motorcycle. way to ride on the back of a motorcycle. So, I don't know if you've ever done So, I don't know if you've ever done So, I don't know if you've ever done this, but if you're riding on the this, but if you're riding on the this, but if you're riding on the motorcycle and you're not the driver, um motorcycle and you're not the driver, um motorcycle and you're not the driver, um the best thing you can do as a passenger the best thing you can do as a passenger the best thing you can do as a passenger is get to be one with the person on the is get to be one with the person on the is get to be one with the person on the motorcycle. The most dangerous thing you motorcycle. The most dangerous thing you motorcycle. The most dangerous thing you can do is if they're leaning to the can do is if they're leaning to the can do is if they're leaning to the right, you start leaning in a different right, you start leaning in a different right, you start leaning in a different direction.

direction. direction. >> You know, that's not good for the writer >> You know, that's not good for the writer >> You know, that's not good for the writer and it's not good for you. And I think and it's not good for you. And I think and it's not good for you. And I think there's [clears throat] a picture there there's [clears throat] a picture there there's [clears throat] a picture there about the crazy wonderful about the crazy wonderful about the crazy wonderful counterintuitive thing is our holy God counterintuitive thing is our holy God counterintuitive thing is our holy God says actually, you know what? says actually, you know what? says actually, you know what? >> The closer you get to me, >> The closer you get to me, >> The closer you get to me, >> the closer you get to me, the more >> the closer you get to me, the more >> the closer you get to me, the more you'll be able to live in my holiness. you'll be able to live in my holiness. you'll be able to live in my holiness. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> And it's counterintuitive, but it is the >> And it's counterintuitive, but it is the >> And it's counterintuitive, but it is the invitation that we have is to to trust invitation that we have is to to trust invitation that we have is to to trust that like I love what you said, God that like I love what you said, God that like I love what you said, God loves you and he knows what's best for loves you and he knows what's best for loves you and he knows what's best for you. you. you. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And if we can just keep it as simple as >> And if we can just keep it as simple as >> And if we can just keep it as simple as that, life goes life goes fairly well. that, life goes life goes fairly well. that, life goes life goes fairly well. It won't be perfect, but life goes It won't be perfect, but life goes It won't be perfect, but life goes fairly well. So today, whatever it looks fairly well. So today, whatever it looks fairly well. So today, whatever it looks like for you to lean in to literally like for you to lean in to literally like for you to lean in to literally like say, "God, I want to I want to get like say, "God, I want to I want to get like say, "God, I want to I want to get closer to you. I want to walk with you closer to you. I want to walk with you closer to you. I want to walk with you in holiness." in holiness." in holiness." >> Man, do that cuz that is where it will >> Man, do that cuz that is where it will >> Man, do that cuz that is where it will go well for you and it will go well for go well for you and it will go well for go well for you and it will go well for me.