God Isn’t Disappointed in You | Romans 8:1-17

He's a good father. Yeah. He's a good father. Yeah. >> Like he he's not the father who's like >> Like he he's not the father who's like >> Like he he's not the father who's like >> I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. >> I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. >> I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> You know, like he's he's the father >> You know, like he's he's the father >> You know, like he's he's the father who's like I'm not mad. I'm not who's like I'm not mad. I'm not who's like I'm not mad. I'm not disappointed. I'm my heart breaks with disappointed. I'm my heart breaks with disappointed. I'm my heart breaks with you. Like my heart breaks for you. you. Like my heart breaks for you. you. Like my heart breaks for you. >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when the Bible shows up in real life. Hey, I'm Chuck. Hey, I'm Chuck. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Josh. >> I'm Josh. >> I'm Josh. >> I'm Alex. >> I'm Alex. >> I'm Alex. >> Romans 8. So thick, so meaty. We're >> Romans 8. So thick, so meaty. We're >> Romans 8. So thick, so meaty. We're going to break it up. I don't think going to break it up. I don't think going to break it up. I don't think we're going to get it all in in one we're going to get it all in in one we're going to get it all in in one conversation. So much here. Um boy, talk conversation. So much here. Um boy, talk conversation. So much here. Um boy, talk about freeing words. There is therefore about freeing words. There is therefore about freeing words. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in now no condemnation for those who are in now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Man, it's like talk about Christ Jesus. Man, it's like talk about Christ Jesus. Man, it's like talk about the release that we need. talk about the the release that we need. talk about the the release that we need. talk about the like deep breath that we can take like deep breath that we can take like deep breath that we can take knowing that that is true. And so um knowing that that is true. And so um knowing that that is true. And so um again we talked about we got to be real.

again we talked about we got to be real. again we talked about we got to be real. So like when you hear condemnation So like when you hear condemnation So like when you hear condemnation >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> like where have you experienced that? >> like where have you experienced that? >> like where have you experienced that? Where have you participated in that? Where have you participated in that? Where have you participated in that? Like what what does that bring up for Like what what does that bring up for Like what what does that bring up for all of us in terms of memories of all of us in terms of memories of all of us in terms of memories of condemnation? condemnation? condemnation? >> Yeah. Well, the first the first thing >> Yeah. Well, the first the first thing >> Yeah. Well, the first the first thing that comes to mind is not I'm sure I that comes to mind is not I'm sure I that comes to mind is not I'm sure I have experienced condemnation, but what have experienced condemnation, but what have experienced condemnation, but what is fresh on my brain is just the is fresh on my brain is just the is fresh on my brain is just the condemnation I have shown other people condemnation I have shown other people condemnation I have shown other people who share my faith, other Christians who share my faith, other Christians who share my faith, other Christians >> in the body. So, we call the body of of >> in the body. So, we call the body of of >> in the body. So, we call the body of of believers the body. And I have condemned believers the body. And I have condemned believers the body. And I have condemned many members in the body of Christ many members in the body of Christ many members in the body of Christ because I didn't agree with them because I didn't agree with them because I didn't agree with them theologically or politically. And I have theologically or politically. And I have theologically or politically. And I have treated them as less than myself. treated them as less than myself. treated them as less than myself. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it is easier for me to love someone that >> it is easier for me to love someone that >> it is easier for me to love someone that is so it's like it's like hating your is so it's like it's like hating your is so it's like it's like hating your own body. That's what it is. It's like own body. That's what it is. It's like own body. That's what it is. It's like hating your body. I've treated people hating your body. I've treated people hating your body. I've treated people who who who >> don't know Jesus could care less about >> don't know Jesus could care less about >> don't know Jesus could care less about Jesus Jesus Jesus >> better than I have people in in my own >> better than I have people in in my own >> better than I have people in in my own body. And body. And body. And >> that is fresh in my brain right now.

>> that is fresh in my brain right now. >> that is fresh in my brain right now. >> And I feel a level of conviction over >> And I feel a level of conviction over >> And I feel a level of conviction over that and have for a long time. And have that and have for a long time. And have that and have for a long time. And have for a long time. Yeah, for a long time. Yeah, for a long time. Yeah, >> that's good. I I just want to I mean you >> that's good. I I just want to I mean you >> that's good. I I just want to I mean you use two words and I think it's really use two words and I think it's really use two words and I think it's really important to differentiate those, right? important to differentiate those, right? important to differentiate those, right? Talking about condemnation and you Talking about condemnation and you Talking about condemnation and you talked about the end of conviction. I talked about the end of conviction. I talked about the end of conviction. I think it's it's important to clarify, think it's it's important to clarify, think it's it's important to clarify, right? Like condemnation is never never right? Like condemnation is never never right? Like condemnation is never never never never never never never never a tool of the Lord. It's not a tool of the Lord. It's not a tool of the Lord. It's not >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> It's the evil one that condemns. >> It's the evil one that condemns. >> It's the evil one that condemns. >> It's broken humans like me that condemn. >> It's broken humans like me that condemn. >> It's broken humans like me that condemn. Right. Right. Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But there is conviction. >> But there is conviction. >> But there is conviction. >> Yeah. And conviction is the way I think >> Yeah. And conviction is the way I think >> Yeah. And conviction is the way I think about it is condemnation always pulls me about it is condemnation always pulls me about it is condemnation always pulls me further away from God. Yeah. Conviction further away from God. Yeah. Conviction further away from God. Yeah. Conviction can be painful, but it pulls me toward can be painful, but it pulls me toward can be painful, but it pulls me toward God. God. God. >> Here's a place in your life that I want >> Here's a place in your life that I want >> Here's a place in your life that I want to heal. to heal. to heal. >> Or I want you to see, you know, I I need >> Or I want you to see, you know, I I need >> Or I want you to see, you know, I I need you to make amends to this. Like, but you to make amends to this. Like, but you to make amends to this. Like, but it's always this pulling toward versus it's always this pulling toward versus it's always this pulling toward versus condemnation always pulls. Think about condemnation always pulls. Think about condemnation always pulls. Think about like when you condemn another person, like when you condemn another person, like when you condemn another person, you're you're doing this to that person. you're you're doing this to that person. you're you're doing this to that person. You're certainly not doing this You're certainly not doing this You're certainly not doing this >> whenever there's condemnation. Yeah, >> whenever there's condemnation. Yeah, >> whenever there's condemnation. Yeah, >> conviction is always conviction is >> conviction is always conviction is >> conviction is always conviction is always an invitation.

always an invitation. always an invitation. >> Always an invitation. >> Always an invitation. >> Always an invitation. >> And it's not always like comfortable. >> And it's not always like comfortable. >> And it's not always like comfortable. >> No. Right. >> No. Right. >> No. Right. >> But it is always an invitation. >> But it is always an invitation. >> But it is always an invitation. >> Sure. This might be stupid. I kind of >> Sure. This might be stupid. I kind of >> Sure. This might be stupid. I kind of think of it as two different light think of it as two different light think of it as two different light sources. Like sources. Like sources. Like >> Oh, that's good. >> Oh, that's good. >> Oh, that's good. >> Uh condemnation's like the flashlight >> Uh condemnation's like the flashlight >> Uh condemnation's like the flashlight being shined in your face that you're being shined in your face that you're being shined in your face that you're like, there's a separation here, right? like, there's a separation here, right? like, there's a separation here, right? >> And then conviction feels more like when >> And then conviction feels more like when >> And then conviction feels more like when a light is turned on in the room, but it a light is turned on in the room, but it a light is turned on in the room, but it has one of those dimmer switches and has one of those dimmer switches and has one of those dimmer switches and it's like brought up so your eyes can it's like brought up so your eyes can it's like brought up so your eyes can adjust. That's really good. adjust. That's really good. adjust. That's really good. >> And you were like there's a comfort in >> And you were like there's a comfort in >> And you were like there's a comfort in there even if there's a pain of like oh there even if there's a pain of like oh there even if there's a pain of like oh I'm waking up and oh now I'm aware of I'm waking up and oh now I'm aware of I'm waking up and oh now I'm aware of this like what comes next this like what comes next this like what comes next >> where I feel like the you know the >> where I feel like the you know the >> where I feel like the you know the you're in the dark and then the you're in the dark and then the you're in the dark and then the flashlight shine in your eyes and you're flashlight shine in your eyes and you're flashlight shine in your eyes and you're like okay I do feel the shame I'm in the like okay I do feel the shame I'm in the like okay I do feel the shame I'm in the spotlight. Um yeah it just makes me spotlight. Um yeah it just makes me spotlight. Um yeah it just makes me think of that. think of that. think of that. >> That's good. Yeah. >> That's good. Yeah. >> That's good. Yeah. >> I love that the two lights. That's a >> I love that the two lights. That's a >> I love that the two lights. That's a great way to think about those two great way to think about those two great way to think about those two things. things. things. >> Yeah >> Yeah >> Yeah >> man. I think growing up in the church, I >> man. I think growing up in the church, I >> man. I think growing up in the church, I had a fear of condemnation. had a fear of condemnation. had a fear of condemnation. >> And you said something, Chuck. You said >> And you said something, Chuck. You said >> And you said something, Chuck. You said we we get to breathe knowing that that's we we get to breathe knowing that that's we we get to breathe knowing that that's true, that there is no condemnation for true, that there is no condemnation for true, that there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. I think maybe I those in Christ Jesus. I think maybe I those in Christ Jesus. I think maybe I knew that, but I didn't believe it. Mhm.

knew that, but I didn't believe it. Mhm. knew that, but I didn't believe it. Mhm. >> I think that I thought that if I sinned >> I think that I thought that if I sinned >> I think that I thought that if I sinned or if I did something wrong that was or if I did something wrong that was or if I did something wrong that was outside of what I thought Jesus wanted outside of what I thought Jesus wanted outside of what I thought Jesus wanted for my life, then it would be like him for my life, then it would be like him for my life, then it would be like him shining a flashlight on me and being shining a flashlight on me and being shining a flashlight on me and being like, "You did the thing wrong." And like, "You did the thing wrong." And like, "You did the thing wrong." And then that would wreck my life. then that would wreck my life. then that would wreck my life. >> And so I held certain things really, >> And so I held certain things really, >> And so I held certain things really, really close. things like really close. things like really close. things like I didn't cuss and [snorts] things like I didn't cuss and [snorts] things like I didn't cuss and [snorts] things like well my friends in high school are well my friends in high school are well my friends in high school are drinking and I'm better than them drinking and I'm better than them drinking and I'm better than them because I don't drink alcohol and all of because I don't drink alcohol and all of because I don't drink alcohol and all of those were also a version of those were also a version of those were also a version of >> sin in my life things like my virginity >> sin in my life things like my virginity >> sin in my life things like my virginity >> and then because I placed my identity in >> and then because I placed my identity in >> and then because I placed my identity in being the good girl being the good girl being the good girl >> a night in college when alcohol was >> a night in college when alcohol was >> a night in college when alcohol was involved and I had fallen in with the involved and I had fallen in with the involved and I had fallen in with the wrong crowd and And one night my wrong crowd and And one night my wrong crowd and And one night my virginity was gone. virginity was gone. virginity was gone. >> It crumbled me. >> It crumbled me. >> It crumbled me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like it absolutely >> Like it absolutely >> Like it absolutely >> wrecked me because I don't think that I >> wrecked me because I don't think that I >> wrecked me because I don't think that I believed that there was no condemnation.

believed that there was no condemnation. believed that there was no condemnation. >> I think that I thought, >> I think that I thought, >> I think that I thought, >> well, I messed up. >> well, I messed up. >> well, I messed up. >> It's over for me now. >> It's over for me now. >> It's over for me now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I wish even though like I grew up >> And I wish even though like I grew up >> And I wish even though like I grew up knowing that this was true, but I don't knowing that this was true, but I don't knowing that this was true, but I don't know if I know if I know if I >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if I believed it. And I >> I don't know if I believed it. And I >> I don't know if I believed it. And I I'll get the soap box again. I think I'll get the soap box again. I think I'll get the soap box again. I think that is what you received from the that is what you received from the that is what you received from the church. church. church. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it is it is a distorted [clears throat] >> it is it is a distorted [clears throat] >> it is it is a distorted [clears throat] gospel. gospel. gospel. >> Could have been. Yeah, >> Could have been. Yeah, >> Could have been. Yeah, >> it is the is it is a for maybe not >> it is the is it is a for maybe not >> it is the is it is a for maybe not intentionally but the way we receive the intentionally but the way we receive the intentionally but the way we receive the gospel and understand it is I perform gospel and understand it is I perform gospel and understand it is I perform well then Jesus dies for me. well then Jesus dies for me. well then Jesus dies for me. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Jesus dies for me regardless of what I Jesus dies for me regardless of what I Jesus dies for me regardless of what I do. That's right. And there's an again do. That's right. And there's an again do. That's right. And there's an again that invitation that conviction that that invitation that conviction that that invitation that conviction that brings you in. Sure. brings you in. Sure. brings you in. Sure. >> So there is grace upon grace, but I >> So there is grace upon grace, but I >> So there is grace upon grace, but I don't don't don't >> I don't think we deliver it as the >> I don't think we deliver it as the >> I don't think we deliver it as the church. church. church. >> Well, yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> But once I learned that and I I knew >> But once I learned that and I I knew >> But once I learned that and I I knew that and I got to go through that that and I got to go through that that and I got to go through that process, process, process, >> I experienced so much grace in that. And >> I experienced so much grace in that. And >> I experienced so much grace in that. And there were even people in my life who I there were even people in my life who I there were even people in my life who I thought, "Oh, they're going to be so thought, "Oh, they're going to be so thought, "Oh, they're going to be so mad. They're my parents will be so mad. They're my parents will be so mad. They're my parents will be so disappointed in me. They didn't raise me disappointed in me. They didn't raise me disappointed in me. They didn't raise me this way or whatever." And that this way or whatever." And that this way or whatever." And that >> that's not how they responded at all.

>> that's not how they responded at all. >> that's not how they responded at all. you know like you know like you know like >> like I got to experience >> like I got to experience >> like I got to experience >> what was actually true of Jesus in this. >> what was actually true of Jesus in this. >> what was actually true of Jesus in this. >> Yes. That is so that's so powerful. And >> Yes. That is so that's so powerful. And >> Yes. That is so that's so powerful. And you know in my own experience you know in my own experience you know in my own experience >> similarly I I I would say I was like 24 >> similarly I I I would say I was like 24 >> similarly I I I would say I was like 24 25 when like all of my sexual crap just 25 when like all of my sexual crap just 25 when like all of my sexual crap just kind of came out. M kind of came out. M kind of came out. M >> and as I think about the grace I >> and as I think about the grace I >> and as I think about the grace I received from that moment received from that moment received from that moment >> from my fiance now wife but like wasn't >> from my fiance now wife but like wasn't >> from my fiance now wife but like wasn't wasn't married yet to people that were wasn't married yet to people that were wasn't married yet to people that were discipling me and mentoring me. Um I've discipling me and mentoring me. Um I've discipling me and mentoring me. Um I've said it this way. I don't know if I got said it this way. I don't know if I got said it this way. I don't know if I got saved at the age of eight. saved at the age of eight. saved at the age of eight. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Or at the age of 25. >> Or at the age of 25. >> Or at the age of 25. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> But what I know is I know what grace >> But what I know is I know what grace >> But what I know is I know what grace felt like at the age of 25. Yeah. Like felt like at the age of 25. Yeah. Like felt like at the age of 25. Yeah. Like that's how profound that experience is that's how profound that experience is that's how profound that experience is of having that lived out in community is of having that lived out in community is of having that lived out in community is it's it's literally salvific in its it's it's literally salvific in its it's it's literally salvific in its effect in our lives. If that makes effect in our lives. If that makes effect in our lives. If that makes sense. sense. sense. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What this this is uh Paul's saying this >> What this this is uh Paul's saying this >> What this this is uh Paul's saying this because it's true. He's also revealing because it's true. He's also revealing because it's true. He's also revealing something about God's charact. What does something about God's charact. What does something about God's charact. What does this reveal about the character of God this reveal about the character of God this reveal about the character of God >> that Paul can so confidently say that >> that Paul can so confidently say that >> that Paul can so confidently say that despite the sin condition, the sin despite the sin condition, the sin despite the sin condition, the sin disease, all this, there is no What does disease, all this, there is no What does disease, all this, there is no What does that say about God's character?

that say about God's character? that say about God's character? >> That he's good and he desires good for >> That he's good and he desires good for >> That he's good and he desires good for us. us. us. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He's not he's not the white bearded man >> He's not he's not the white bearded man >> He's not he's not the white bearded man in the sky with the sledgehammer in the sky with the sledgehammer in the sky with the sledgehammer waiting. waiting. waiting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, he is he is good and he has >> You know, he is he is good and he has >> You know, he is he is good and he has his desire is good for me. his desire is good for me. his desire is good for me. >> Yeah. his desire is relationship >> Yeah. his desire is relationship >> Yeah. his desire is relationship under his his terms and his conditions. under his his terms and his conditions. under his his terms and his conditions. Yes, Yes, Yes, >> I want his terms and his and it's good. >> I want his terms and his and it's good. >> I want his terms and his and it's good. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it is good. >> it is good. >> it is good. >> He's a good father. Yeah. >> He's a good father. Yeah. >> He's a good father. Yeah. >> Like he he's not the father who's like >> Like he he's not the father who's like >> Like he he's not the father who's like I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> You know, he's he's the father who's >> You know, he's he's the father who's >> You know, he's he's the father who's like, I'm not mad. I'm not disappointed. like, I'm not mad. I'm not disappointed. like, I'm not mad. I'm not disappointed. I'm my heart breaks with you. Like my I'm my heart breaks with you. Like my I'm my heart breaks with you. Like my heart breaks for you. heart breaks for you. heart breaks for you. like come to me. like come to me. like come to me. >> I have to remind myself of that. >> I have to remind myself of that. >> I have to remind myself of that. >> I have never sinned and God has been >> I have never sinned and God has been >> I have never sinned and God has been surprised. surprised. surprised. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> And I don't even mean like >> And I don't even mean like >> And I don't even mean like >> like a jump start. >> like a jump start. >> like a jump start. >> Right. Right. Right. I don't even mean >> Right. Right. Right. I don't even mean >> Right. Right. Right. I don't even mean like surprised because God knows the like surprised because God knows the like surprised because God knows the future. I don't even mean that. He knows future. I don't even mean that. He knows future. I don't even mean that. He knows my heart. He knows humans. Like he's not my heart. He knows humans. Like he's not my heart. He knows humans. Like he's not surprised.

surprised. surprised. >> Doesn't mean that he's not inviting me >> Doesn't mean that he's not inviting me >> Doesn't mean that he's not inviting me to more. But like God's not sitting to more. But like God's not sitting to more. But like God's not sitting >> I can't believe it. >> I can't believe it. >> I can't believe it. >> Oh my goodness. Give me a moment, Chuck. >> Oh my goodness. Give me a moment, Chuck. >> Oh my goodness. Give me a moment, Chuck. I got to I got to process what you just I got to I got to process what you just I got to I got to process what you just did. like, did. like, did. like, >> "No, [laughter] >> "No, [laughter] >> "No, [laughter] >> no." And so he's ready to woo. >> no." And so he's ready to woo. >> no." And so he's ready to woo. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Cuz he's not surprised, you know. >> Cuz he's not surprised, you know. >> Cuz he's not surprised, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And to that end, there is fallout >> And to that end, there is fallout >> And to that end, there is fallout >> from our sin. There is fallout. But that >> from our sin. There is fallout. But that >> from our sin. There is fallout. But that invitation of conviction invites us in invitation of conviction invites us in invitation of conviction invites us in to address it. to address it. to address it. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Yeah. Conviction [clears throat] doesn't >> Yeah. Conviction [clears throat] doesn't >> Yeah. Conviction [clears throat] doesn't mean there's a lack of consequences. Not mean there's a lack of consequences. Not mean there's a lack of consequences. Not at all. at all. at all. >> But you're also not in it alone. That's >> But you're also not in it alone. That's >> But you're also not in it alone. That's good. Yes. good. Yes. good. Yes. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's so good. So much in this chapter. >> That's so good. So much in this chapter. >> That's so good. So much in this chapter. We We haven't even [laughter] talked on We We haven't even [laughter] talked on We We haven't even [laughter] talked on the Holy Spirit, but [snorts] here's the Holy Spirit, but [snorts] here's the Holy Spirit, but [snorts] here's what I would say real quick. like just what I would say real quick. like just what I would say real quick. like just talk about maybe an experience you've talk about maybe an experience you've talk about maybe an experience you've had recently had recently had recently >> where you would say the Holy Spirit was >> where you would say the Holy Spirit was >> where you would say the Holy Spirit was real to me in this way real to me in this way real to me in this way >> and we'll just maybe share a couple of >> and we'll just maybe share a couple of >> and we'll just maybe share a couple of those as we close. those as we close. those as we close. >> I um got into a very public disagreement >> I um got into a very public disagreement >> I um got into a very public disagreement with my mother. with my mother. with my mother. >> Um like it felt like straight up attack >> Um like it felt like straight up attack >> Um like it felt like straight up attack on my character. Um if you watch this, on my character. Um if you watch this, on my character. Um if you watch this, sorry I'm sharing it out with everyone.

sorry I'm sharing it out with everyone. sorry I'm sharing it out with everyone. Um, Um, Um, but there was this thing of like it but there was this thing of like it but there was this thing of like it happened and then it made everything happened and then it made everything happened and then it made everything weird but then we had to talk about it weird but then we had to talk about it weird but then we had to talk about it like can't. And so when I brought it up like can't. And so when I brought it up like can't. And so when I brought it up to her, there was just this peace and to her, there was just this peace and to her, there was just this peace and like I knew for a fact that if me from like I knew for a fact that if me from like I knew for a fact that if me from like 5 days earlier was having the like 5 days earlier was having the like 5 days earlier was having the conversation, then I had like my own conversation, then I had like my own conversation, then I had like my own arms to bring to the table to like fire arms to bring to the table to like fire arms to bring to the table to like fire back. But I just felt this presence of back. But I just felt this presence of back. But I just felt this presence of like like like >> this is your mom. I blessed you with >> this is your mom. I blessed you with >> this is your mom. I blessed you with her. How do you honor her in this her. How do you honor her in this her. How do you honor her in this conversation? And I feel very strongly conversation? And I feel very strongly conversation? And I feel very strongly that that was only the Holy Spirit. And that that was only the Holy Spirit. And that that was only the Holy Spirit. And so now we can go through the things that so now we can go through the things that so now we can go through the things that are like triggering her and the things are like triggering her and the things are like triggering her and the things that she's frustrated with. And I can that she's frustrated with. And I can that she's frustrated with. And I can just listen and even just listen and even just listen and even >> see her perspective. >> see her perspective. >> see her perspective. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that was just 5 days before she had >> And that was just 5 days before she had >> And that was just 5 days before she had no perspective as far as I was no perspective as far as I was no perspective as far as I was concerned. [laughter] concerned. [laughter] concerned. [laughter] Um, and I just I think that's totally Um, and I just I think that's totally Um, and I just I think that's totally like a surrenderedness of like that felt like a surrenderedness of like that felt like a surrenderedness of like that felt like condemnation when I was going like condemnation when I was going like condemnation when I was going through it the first time and then through it the first time and then through it the first time and then walking through it the second time walking through it the second time walking through it the second time >> it felt like a re like a reconciliation.

>> it felt like a re like a reconciliation. >> it felt like a re like a reconciliation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That would be >> That would be >> That would be >> like a sweet conviction too. What I hear >> like a sweet conviction too. What I hear >> like a sweet conviction too. What I hear in you is a conviction. Not again not a in you is a conviction. Not again not a in you is a conviction. Not again not a shameful, oh man, here's why I miss my shameful, oh man, here's why I miss my shameful, oh man, here's why I miss my mom's perspective, but the invitation mom's perspective, but the invitation mom's perspective, but the invitation >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> to see it a different way and therefore >> to see it a different way and therefore >> to see it a different way and therefore be able to engage her a different way. be able to engage her a different way. be able to engage her a different way. >> That's great. That's great. So like I >> That's great. That's great. So like I >> That's great. That's great. So like I was having a quiet time which if was having a quiet time which if was having a quiet time which if whenever I hear someone say I had my whenever I hear someone say I had my whenever I hear someone say I had my quiet time I just want to throw up in my quiet time I just want to throw up in my quiet time I just want to throw up in my hands [laughter] hands [laughter] hands [laughter] >> out of your mouth you want to produce >> out of your mouth you want to produce >> out of your mouth you want to produce during my quiet time. during my quiet time. during my quiet time. >> I was spending time I was spending time >> I was spending time I was spending time >> I was spending time I was spending time just trying to focus my attention on the just trying to focus my attention on the just trying to focus my attention on the Lord and I was overwhelmed Lord and I was overwhelmed Lord and I was overwhelmed >> by the grace of Jesus >> by the grace of Jesus >> by the grace of Jesus >> out of nowhere. Um like so much so that >> out of nowhere. Um like so much so that >> out of nowhere. Um like so much so that it crumpled me to the floor. I was it crumpled me to the floor. I was it crumpled me to the floor. I was actually sitting outside so it crumpled actually sitting outside so it crumpled actually sitting outside so it crumpled me to the stairs. me to the stairs. me to the stairs. >> Uh and I was just overcome not by like >> Uh and I was just overcome not by like >> Uh and I was just overcome not by like the list of all the bad things I've done the list of all the bad things I've done the list of all the bad things I've done though that is there though that is there though that is there >> but just the fact that in my life grace >> but just the fact that in my life grace >> but just the fact that in my life grace upon grace upon grace has existed and it upon grace upon grace has existed and it upon grace upon grace has existed and it >> in the best way ruined me.

>> in the best way ruined me. >> in the best way ruined me. >> Just broke me and I wasn't praying for >> Just broke me and I wasn't praying for >> Just broke me and I wasn't praying for it. I wasn't asking for it. it. I wasn't asking for it. it. I wasn't asking for it. >> I was just in the moment and available >> I was just in the moment and available >> I was just in the moment and available and the Holy Spirit was like, "Okay, and the Holy Spirit was like, "Okay, and the Holy Spirit was like, "Okay, here's a gift for you today." here's a gift for you today." here's a gift for you today." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Wow. Yeah. >> And it just drew me again. It didn't >> And it just drew me again. It didn't >> And it just drew me again. It didn't send me to that conviction place, Josh, send me to that conviction place, Josh, send me to that conviction place, Josh, your bad. It sent me to this grace upon your bad. It sent me to this grace upon your bad. It sent me to this grace upon grace. Jesus, you love me and you adore grace. Jesus, you love me and you adore grace. Jesus, you love me and you adore me. me. me. >> And you're [clears throat] here for me. >> And you're [clears throat] here for me. >> And you're [clears throat] here for me. >> Praise God. >> Praise God. >> Praise God. >> That was it was incredible. >> That was it was incredible. >> That was it was incredible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That I mean, I feel like that's one of >> That I mean, I feel like that's one of >> That I mean, I feel like that's one of the things I love about the Holy Spirit the things I love about the Holy Spirit the things I love about the Holy Spirit is there's these deep overwhelming is there's these deep overwhelming is there's these deep overwhelming moments that the Holy Spirit moments that the Holy Spirit moments that the Holy Spirit >> where he can um convict and change and >> where he can um convict and change and >> where he can um convict and change and overwhelm you. And then there's like the overwhelm you. And then there's like the overwhelm you. And then there's like the little things like my example was I little things like my example was I little things like my example was I gossiped about someone the other day and gossiped about someone the other day and gossiped about someone the other day and felt I think was the Holy Spirit later felt I think was the Holy Spirit later felt I think was the Holy Spirit later on when I was in my car of I don't like on when I was in my car of I don't like on when I was in my car of I don't like that you said that about that person in that you said that about that person in that you said that about that person in that way that wasn't honoring that way that wasn't honoring that way that wasn't honoring >> and I actually texted the person who I >> and I actually texted the person who I >> and I actually texted the person who I was talking with and I said hey I did was talking with and I said hey I did was talking with and I said hey I did not speak about this person in an not speak about this person in an not speak about this person in an honoring way and I want to apologize and honoring way and I want to apologize and honoring way and I want to apologize and repent of that and that just repent of that and that just repent of that and that just >> that wasn't great and that was really >> that wasn't great and that was really >> that wasn't great and that was really that was really good for me. And I think that was really good for me. And I think that was really good for me. And I think that's the conviction and the help of that's the conviction and the help of that's the conviction and the help of the Holy Spirit in that.

the Holy Spirit in that. the Holy Spirit in that. >> That's right. Yes. Paul says it this way >> That's right. Yes. Paul says it this way >> That's right. Yes. Paul says it this way as we close. He says, "For to set the as we close. He says, "For to set the as we close. He says, "For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set mind on the flesh is death, but to set mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the spirit is life and the mind on the spirit is life and the mind on the spirit is life and peace." peace." peace." >> The Holy Spirit makes for, brings to >> The Holy Spirit makes for, brings to >> The Holy Spirit makes for, brings to mind, invites us into those things that mind, invites us into those things that mind, invites us into those things that make for life and peace. So I bless you. make for life and peace. So I bless you. make for life and peace. So I bless you. I bless you with life and peace by the I bless you with life and peace by the I bless you with life and peace by the power of the Holy Spirit today.