The Most Dangerous Lie About the Bible| 2 Peter 2

>> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> I'm Kirsten. >> I'm Kirsten. >> I'm Kirsten. >> I'm Mish, and I'm Miko. >> I'm Mish, and I'm Miko. >> I'm Mish, and I'm Miko. >> Oh, man, 2 Peter. 2 Peter, Peter is like >> Oh, man, 2 Peter. 2 Peter, Peter is like >> Oh, man, 2 Peter. 2 Peter, Peter is like he's [music] he's going hard in the he's [music] he's going hard in the he's [music] he's going hard in the paint. paint. paint. >> Yeah, around false teaching, right? >> Yeah, around false teaching, right? >> Yeah, around false teaching, right? >> Hard in the paint. >> Hard in the paint. >> Hard in the paint. >> And the just the impact that it can have >> And the just the impact that it can have >> And the just the impact that it can have and you know, again, I I I this is why I and you know, again, I I I this is why I and you know, again, I I I this is why I love the Bible. I love the Bible for love the Bible. I love the Bible for love the Bible. I love the Bible for lots of reasons. I love the Bible lots of reasons. I love the Bible lots of reasons. I love the Bible because like it's impossible to not deal because like it's impossible to not deal because like it's impossible to not deal with the real stuff. with the real stuff. with the real stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you just read through the Bible. >> If you just read through the Bible. >> If you just read through the Bible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You just got to wrestle with it. And >> You just got to wrestle with it. And >> You just got to wrestle with it. And false teaching is very, very, very false teaching is very, very, very false teaching is very, very, very common and very, very, very toxic. It common and very, very, very toxic. It common and very, very, very toxic. It always has been and it absolutely is always has been and it absolutely is always has been and it absolutely is when we have it, you know, accessible on when we have it, you know, accessible on when we have it, you know, accessible on our phones like that. our phones like that. our phones like that. Um, Um, Um, so, why do you think though that false so, why do you think though that false so, why do you think though that false teaching is so hard or often can be hard teaching is so hard or often can be hard teaching is so hard or often can be hard to recognize as false teaching? to recognize as false teaching? to recognize as false teaching? >> I think it's affirming to >> I think it's affirming to >> I think it's affirming to so many parts of your what the Bible and so many parts of your what the Bible and so many parts of your what the Bible and what we in church will say your flesh. what we in church will say your flesh. what we in church will say your flesh. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, so there will be a freedom that's >> Um, so there will be a freedom that's >> Um, so there will be a freedom that's [snorts] I think often times offered you [snorts] I think often times offered you [snorts] I think often times offered you to think and act and be a certain way. I to think and act and be a certain way. I to think and act and be a certain way. I think there's a a want sometimes out of think there's a a want sometimes out of think there's a a want sometimes out of comparison.

comparison. comparison. Um, Um, Um, that a person can then that a person can then that a person can then attach themselves to to some of these attach themselves to to some of these attach themselves to to some of these teachings. Whether like for for men teachings. Whether like for for men teachings. Whether like for for men often times it's like how to be a man often times it's like how to be a man often times it's like how to be a man is what I find recently. is what I find recently. is what I find recently. Um, but ultimately it's affirming of Um, but ultimately it's affirming of Um, but ultimately it's affirming of something in you and I think it also something in you and I think it also something in you and I think it also shows like a true there like you know shows like a true there like you know shows like a true there like you know how everything almost has like an ounce how everything almost has like an ounce how everything almost has like an ounce of truth in it. of truth in it. of truth in it. It'll lock on to this like slight bit of It'll lock on to this like slight bit of It'll lock on to this like slight bit of truth. truth. truth. And make it a mile wide. And make it a mile wide. And make it a mile wide. >> That's really good. I mean that's the >> That's really good. I mean that's the >> That's really good. I mean that's the evil one's strategy. I mean if you look evil one's strategy. I mean if you look evil one's strategy. I mean if you look at the the apple, right? Like I mean he at the the apple, right? Like I mean he at the the apple, right? Like I mean he he wraps his lie in truth. he wraps his lie in truth. he wraps his lie in truth. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Around around well, you know, it was an >> Around around well, you know, it was an >> Around around well, you know, it was an apple. Whatever the fruit was. Yeah. He apple. Whatever the fruit was. Yeah. He apple. Whatever the fruit was. Yeah. He wraps his lie in truth. I think you're wraps his lie in truth. I think you're wraps his lie in truth. I think you're right. That's often a a common pattern right. That's often a a common pattern right. That's often a a common pattern or trait of false teaching is like or trait of false teaching is like or trait of false teaching is like there's something there's a nugget in there's something there's a nugget in there's something there's a nugget in there. there. there. But is that truth? But is that truth? But is that truth? >> I really like this chapter because >> I really like this chapter because >> I really like this chapter because if you want to write a best seller, you if you want to write a best seller, you if you want to write a best seller, you might not start with might not start with might not start with like this and like this and like this and >> It is a second letter.

>> It is a second letter. >> It is a second letter. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> In fairness, he was like let ME START >> In fairness, he was like let ME START >> In fairness, he was like let ME START WITH THIS. WITH THIS. WITH THIS. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> THAT IS FAIR. One of two and I >> THAT IS FAIR. One of two and I >> THAT IS FAIR. One of two and I think false prophets, how I see it, think false prophets, how I see it, think false prophets, how I see it, often is it makes it easy, make often is it makes it easy, make often is it makes it easy, make something easy, you know, like easier in something easy, you know, like easier in something easy, you know, like easier in your life. It's a shortcut. Usually, your life. It's a shortcut. Usually, your life. It's a shortcut. Usually, it's some way to be like, it's some way to be like, it's some way to be like, "Oh, well, like you know how I would "Oh, well, like you know how I would "Oh, well, like you know how I would make life easier? Da da da da da when in make life easier? Da da da da da when in make life easier? Da da da da da when in reality reality reality life just is not easy. Like in reading life just is not easy. Like in reading life just is not easy. Like in reading this book and meditating on it and this book and meditating on it and this book and meditating on it and making it making it making it knowing it's your truth is not easy. knowing it's your truth is not easy. knowing it's your truth is not easy. >> Following Jesus is not easy. >> Following Jesus is not easy. >> Following Jesus is not easy. >> Not easy and so >> Not easy and so >> Not easy and so I really love chapters like this cuz I'm I really love chapters like this cuz I'm I really love chapters like this cuz I'm reminded of like oh, yeah. reminded of like oh, yeah. reminded of like oh, yeah. Like this stuff that's written down is Like this stuff that's written down is Like this stuff that's written down is not not not easy because it's truth. easy because it's truth. easy because it's truth. Like Like Like >> I hear in that I hear surrender. Like it >> I hear in that I hear surrender. Like it >> I hear in that I hear surrender. Like it takes surrender to follow this, right? takes surrender to follow this, right? takes surrender to follow this, right? Whereas opposed to Whereas opposed to Whereas opposed to these different ideologies where it's these different ideologies where it's these different ideologies where it's like like like >> [clears throat and cough] >> [clears throat and cough] >> [clears throat and cough] >> if a person can appeal to your emotions >> if a person can appeal to your emotions >> if a person can appeal to your emotions you know, affirming you or whatever it's you know, affirming you or whatever it's you know, affirming you or whatever it's like then they can feed you a like then they can feed you a like then they can feed you a perspective and and then ultimately get perspective and and then ultimately get perspective and and then ultimately get you to adopt their beliefs, right? And you to adopt their beliefs, right? And you to adopt their beliefs, right? And you feel like convicted or you feel like you feel like convicted or you feel like you feel like convicted or you feel like at one with what they're saying because at one with what they're saying because at one with what they're saying because it appeals to, you know, something that it appeals to, you know, something that it appeals to, you know, something that you've all like whether it's your you've all like whether it's your you've all like whether it's your emotions or it's affirming to you, it's emotions or it's affirming to you, it's emotions or it's affirming to you, it's your flesh, you know what I mean? And your flesh, you know what I mean? And your flesh, you know what I mean? And it's like you're more alive in that it's like you're more alive in that it's like you're more alive in that space than you may be spiritually. And

space than you may be spiritually. And space than you may be spiritually. And this may not be the best theological this may not be the best theological this may not be the best theological description of it, but I'll notice like description of it, but I'll notice like description of it, but I'll notice like even in myself where like if there's even in myself where like if there's even in myself where like if there's something even if it's a pleasing to my something even if it's a pleasing to my something even if it's a pleasing to my flesh, often times there's something flesh, often times there's something flesh, often times there's something that's very unsettling in my spirit that's very unsettling in my spirit that's very unsettling in my spirit about it. You know what I mean? Where about it. You know what I mean? Where about it. You know what I mean? Where I'm like I don't [clears throat] like I'm like I don't [clears throat] like I'm like I don't [clears throat] like that. And I think that the less that. And I think that the less that. And I think that the less >> the Holy Spirit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. >> the Holy Spirit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. >> the Holy Spirit. Yeah, yeah, exactly. One of the things that Jesus says is the One of the things that Jesus says is the One of the things that Jesus says is the Holy Spirit will guide us into truth. Holy Spirit will guide us into truth. Holy Spirit will guide us into truth. And one of the ways that happens is like And one of the ways that happens is like And one of the ways that happens is like man, yeah, I like this. There's a part man, yeah, I like this. There's a part man, yeah, I like this. There's a part of this that's but there's that inner of this that's but there's that inner of this that's but there's that inner thing in you that's like thing in you that's like thing in you that's like wait a second. wait a second. wait a second. That's the Holy Spirit. That's the Holy Spirit. That's the Holy Spirit. >> So yeah, so I guess also then a lack of >> So yeah, so I guess also then a lack of >> So yeah, so I guess also then a lack of to answer your question specifically to answer your question specifically to answer your question specifically like um how did you word it exactly? like um how did you word it exactly? like um how did you word it exactly? Like how do you Like how do you Like how do you >> Oh, why is it so easy? Why why why do >> Oh, why is it so easy? Why why why do >> Oh, why is it so easy? Why why why do you think it's attractive? False you think it's attractive? False you think it's attractive? False teaching is attractive. teaching is attractive. teaching is attractive. >> I guess also then just that lack of >> I guess also then just that lack of >> I guess also then just that lack of relationship with the Holy Spirit then relationship with the Holy Spirit then relationship with the Holy Spirit then for people. Yeah. Yeah. for people. Yeah. Yeah. for people. Yeah. Yeah. >> Amen. Amen. Um >> Amen. Amen. Um >> Amen. Amen. Um I just want to this is like the pastor I just want to this is like the pastor I just want to this is like the pastor in me. Wants to say this like in me. Wants to say this like in me. Wants to say this like this is why it's so important and I want this is why it's so important and I want this is why it's so important and I want to encourage you cuz you're doing it. It to encourage you cuz you're doing it. It to encourage you cuz you're doing it. It is so important that you read the Bible is so important that you read the Bible is so important that you read the Bible for yourself.

for yourself. for yourself. I mean I I I can't say this enough. If I mean I I I can't say this enough. If I mean I I I can't say this enough. If the only way you get the Bible is the only way you get the Bible is the only way you get the Bible is through a speaker on a stage and I'm one through a speaker on a stage and I'm one through a speaker on a stage and I'm one of those. I'm one of those speakers on of those. I'm one of those speakers on of those. I'm one of those speakers on the stage. No, I'm the only way you're the stage. No, I'm the only way you're the stage. No, I'm the only way you're getting the Bible or Brian or Ali, Kyle, getting the Bible or Brian or Ali, Kyle, getting the Bible or Brian or Ali, Kyle, whatever you're listening to. Oh my whatever you're listening to. Oh my whatever you're listening to. Oh my gosh, you are not going to be equipped gosh, you are not going to be equipped gosh, you are not going to be equipped to really discern false teaching. to really discern false teaching. to really discern false teaching. Because there's a relationship that the Because there's a relationship that the Because there's a relationship that the Spirit wants to have with you and the Spirit wants to have with you and the Spirit wants to have with you and the word of God that has nothing to do with word of God that has nothing to do with word of God that has nothing to do with me or any other teacher here. And so I'm me or any other teacher here. And so I'm me or any other teacher here. And so I'm sorry. I just had to I just had to say sorry. I just had to I just had to say sorry. I just had to I just had to say that. I'm passionate about that. that. I'm passionate about that. that. I'm passionate about that. >> I >> I >> I >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> love that because it says that the >> love that because it says that the >> love that because it says that the disciples wowed the people that they disciples wowed the people that they disciples wowed the people that they were around because they were uneducated were around because they were uneducated were around because they were uneducated followers of Jesus, but because they followers of Jesus, but because they followers of Jesus, but because they were were were like receivers of the truth from the like receivers of the truth from the like receivers of the truth from the Lord, they were wise in the spirit. And Lord, they were wise in the spirit. And Lord, they were wise in the spirit. And so like if anyone thinks I was one of so like if anyone thinks I was one of so like if anyone thinks I was one of them like I could never comprehend this. them like I could never comprehend this. them like I could never comprehend this. This is too much. Like I have to have This is too much. Like I have to have This is too much. Like I have to have someone teach me or I have to Yeah. a someone teach me or I have to Yeah. a someone teach me or I have to Yeah. a million devotionals and things attached million devotionals and things attached million devotionals and things attached to this. It's like, what a lie. Like to this. It's like, what a lie. Like to this. It's like, what a lie. Like this was taught to like this was taught to like this was taught to like what? Year zero followers.

what? Year zero followers. what? Year zero followers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It to understand >> It to understand >> It to understand >> of years, most people who were engaged >> of years, most people who were engaged >> of years, most people who were engaged in the word of God weren't literate. in the word of God weren't literate. in the word of God weren't literate. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And it wasn't written in a way that they >> And it wasn't written in a way that they >> And it wasn't written in a way that they could get it. And yet the truth was able could get it. And yet the truth was able could get it. And yet the truth was able to be absorbed as they were in spaces to be absorbed as they were in spaces to be absorbed as they were in spaces learning it together. learning it together. learning it together. >> If I can just add to >> If I can just add to >> If I can just add to >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> reading for yourself, reading it amongst >> reading for yourself, reading it amongst >> reading for yourself, reading it amongst like a setting like we're waiting at. like a setting like we're waiting at. like a setting like we're waiting at. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Um >> Um >> Um the ancient Hebrews they called it a the ancient Hebrews they called it a the ancient Hebrews they called it a midrash, which is so churchy. But it's midrash, which is so churchy. But it's midrash, which is so churchy. But it's so important. We get to just talk about so important. We get to just talk about so important. We get to just talk about scripture. And I love that you ask these scripture. And I love that you ask these scripture. And I love that you ask these questions that like make us force questions that like make us force questions that like make us force ourselves to think about ourselves cuz ourselves to think about ourselves cuz ourselves to think about ourselves cuz it's really difficult. But that's the it's really difficult. But that's the it's really difficult. But that's the way that you're able to reflect on God's way that you're able to reflect on God's way that you're able to reflect on God's love for you specifically in his word. love for you specifically in his word. love for you specifically in his word. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So >> So >> So >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> encourage you if you >> encourage you if you >> encourage you if you we can put a plug for our church. Please we can put a plug for our church. Please we can put a plug for our church. Please find a group to do this with because find a group to do this with because find a group to do this with because it's so so crucial to growing in your it's so so crucial to growing in your it's so so crucial to growing in your faith. faith. faith. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's an aspect of this truth I >> Yeah. There's an aspect of this truth I >> Yeah. There's an aspect of this truth I only get only get only get from Kirsten, Mish, and Miko.

from Kirsten, Mish, and Miko. from Kirsten, Mish, and Miko. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Or you name it. You we swap people in. >> Or you name it. You we swap people in. >> Or you name it. You we swap people in. >> And that's part of like it's meant to be >> And that's part of like it's meant to be >> And that's part of like it's meant to be a communal experience engaging the word a communal experience engaging the word a communal experience engaging the word of God. I would say that's one of the of God. I would say that's one of the of God. I would say that's one of the ways that we can protect ourselves from ways that we can protect ourselves from ways that we can protect ourselves from false teaching. false teaching. false teaching. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Is when we're in a context of community >> Is when we're in a context of community >> Is when we're in a context of community where it's not just me taking in a where it's not just me taking in a where it's not just me taking in a medium. [snorts] What are some other medium. [snorts] What are some other medium. [snorts] What are some other practical ways you think for people to practical ways you think for people to practical ways you think for people to just equip themselves and not be just equip themselves and not be just equip themselves and not be uh uh uh I don't know as susceptible to false I don't know as susceptible to false I don't know as susceptible to false teaching. It's There's a lot of false teaching. It's There's a lot of false teaching. It's There's a lot of false teaching out there. teaching out there. teaching out there. >> I For me >> I For me >> I For me I have to ask God daily to humble me. I have to ask God daily to humble me. I have to ask God daily to humble me. And I use Peter as an example of again, And I use Peter as an example of again, And I use Peter as an example of again, if he was not in if he did not put if he was not in if he did not put if he was not in if he did not put himself into community right when he was himself into community right when he was himself into community right when he was given that type of authority he was given that type of authority he was given that type of authority he was given, I wonder what would have given, I wonder what would have given, I wonder what would have happened. because earlier in the Bible happened. because earlier in the Bible happened. because earlier in the Bible he also was like "Oh, Gentiles who want he also was like "Oh, Gentiles who want he also was like "Oh, Gentiles who want to come to the faith, like I don't know, to come to the faith, like I don't know, to come to the faith, like I don't know, you might need to get a circumcision." you might need to get a circumcision." you might need to get a circumcision." And it was around community that And it was around community that And it was around community that actually debated against that and said, actually debated against that and said, actually debated against that and said, "No, no, no, no, no, no, once you accept "No, no, no, no, no, no, once you accept "No, no, no, no, no, no, once you accept Christ, you are grafted and you are Christ, you are grafted and you are Christ, you are grafted and you are you're adopted into that son- that you're adopted into that son- that you're adopted into that son- that sonship."

sonship." sonship." Um and still he writes this afterwards. Um and still he writes this afterwards. Um and still he writes this afterwards. And so And so And so to me it's the humility. Peter had to me it's the humility. Peter had to me it's the humility. Peter had humility to say, "Yes, you're right." humility to say, "Yes, you're right." humility to say, "Yes, you're right." I have to have that [snorts] humility to I have to have that [snorts] humility to I have to have that [snorts] humility to be like, "My thought, my opinion, my be like, "My thought, my opinion, my be like, "My thought, my opinion, my feeling might be totally wrong." And I feeling might be totally wrong." And I feeling might be totally wrong." And I have to pray for that daily. have to pray for that daily. have to pray for that daily. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> Yeah, I think social media is so >> Yeah, I think social media is so >> Yeah, I think social media is so dangerous dangerous dangerous for false prophets. And so something for false prophets. And so something for false prophets. And so something tangible, like an episode ago we talked tangible, like an episode ago we talked tangible, like an episode ago we talked about like how the minority voice is about like how the minority voice is about like how the minority voice is like sometimes God convicting us. like sometimes God convicting us. like sometimes God convicting us. The discernment between a healthy Holy The discernment between a healthy Holy The discernment between a healthy Holy Spirit-led voice versus just a hot take Spirit-led voice versus just a hot take Spirit-led voice versus just a hot take to like what's it called? Like a to like what's it called? Like a to like what's it called? Like a >> clickbait [clears throat] >> clickbait [clears throat] >> clickbait [clears throat] >> Clickbait, yes, yes. I'm like nothing >> Clickbait, yes, yes. I'm like nothing >> Clickbait, yes, yes. I'm like nothing drives me more crazy than drives me more crazy than drives me more crazy than [clears throat] someone twisting around [clears throat] someone twisting around [clears throat] someone twisting around scripture to be clickbait. And I'm scripture to be clickbait. And I'm scripture to be clickbait. And I'm sorry, you're not going to get a sorry, you're not going to get a sorry, you're not going to get a download of like the fullness of what download of like the fullness of what download of like the fullness of what God's trying to say in a 1-minute like God's trying to say in a 1-minute like God's trying to say in a 1-minute like rage rage rage >> a 10-minute thing that we're doing.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um I I I would just lean back into Um I I I would just lean back into Um I I I would just lean back into community. I think for me, um that's community. I think for me, um that's community. I think for me, um that's just something I think that God's really just something I think that God's really just something I think that God's really shown me just over the last few years. shown me just over the last few years. shown me just over the last few years. For so long it was like, "Okay, this is For so long it was like, "Okay, this is For so long it was like, "Okay, this is about having a personal relationship about having a personal relationship about having a personal relationship with Jesus." And over the past few years with Jesus." And over the past few years with Jesus." And over the past few years I recognized it's about having a I recognized it's about having a I recognized it's about having a personal relationship with Jesus lived personal relationship with Jesus lived personal relationship with Jesus lived out amongst other believers. Like that out amongst other believers. Like that out amongst other believers. Like that is the other piece that I and the fruit is the other piece that I and the fruit is the other piece that I and the fruit of it, also just the the protection that of it, also just the the protection that of it, also just the the protection that comes in it, where you're not um comes in it, where you're not um comes in it, where you're not um you don't just have this silo echo you don't just have this silo echo you don't just have this silo echo chamber. I love how you say it like chamber. I love how you say it like chamber. I love how you say it like there's just certain perspectives that there's just certain perspectives that there's just certain perspectives that you get from the people around you. And you get from the people around you. And you get from the people around you. And when you said that I was reminded of when you said that I was reminded of when you said that I was reminded of like that verse where it says we all like that verse where it says we all like that verse where it says we all know in part. Say but what if we don't know in part. Say but what if we don't know in part. Say but what if we don't all know the same part? You know what all know the same part? You know what all know the same part? You know what I'm saying? It's like oh I didn't know I'm saying? It's like oh I didn't know I'm saying? It's like oh I didn't know that part and this is you know from the that part and this is you know from the that part and this is you know from the divine wisdom God's giving you now I get divine wisdom God's giving you now I get divine wisdom God's giving you now I get to actually benefit from you guys' to actually benefit from you guys' to actually benefit from you guys' relationship and we're all surrendered relationship and we're all surrendered relationship and we're all surrendered to like the same truth. to like the same truth. to like the same truth. So it's like it aligns. You know what So it's like it aligns. You know what So it's like it aligns. You know what I'm saying? So I'm saying? So I'm saying? So >> I'll leave you with this. >> I'll leave you with this. >> I'll leave you with this. If you want to do a little bit of extra If you want to do a little bit of extra If you want to do a little bit of extra credit, look up who the Bereans were in credit, look up who the Bereans were in credit, look up who the Bereans were in the scripture in the New Testament. And the scripture in the New Testament. And the scripture in the New Testament. And it's a group of people who took this it's a group of people who took this it's a group of people who took this seriously. They they and then and they seriously. They they and then and they seriously. They they and then and they were known for that. They were they were were known for that. They were they were were known for that. They were they were people who they vigorously searched the people who they vigorously searched the people who they vigorously searched the scriptures to make sure that what these scriptures to make sure that what these scriptures to make sure that what these teachers were saying to them are true.

teachers were saying to them are true. teachers were saying to them are true. And if there's ever been a season and a And if there's ever been a season and a And if there's ever been a season and a moment to be like the Bereans it's right moment to be like the Bereans it's right moment to be like the Bereans it's right now. So just look that up in the New now. So just look that up in the New now. So just look that up in the New Testament as another encouragement to Testament as another encouragement to Testament as another encouragement to continue to walk this journey with continue to walk this journey with continue to walk this journey with Jesus.