Good You Can’t See Yet | Romans 8:18-39

The best way I can look at it is, uh, The best way I can look at it is, uh, you guys ever seen Mad Max? you guys ever seen Mad Max? you guys ever seen Mad Max? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You've never seen Mad Max? >> You've never seen Mad Max? >> You've never seen Mad Max? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Like the old one? It's scary. >> Like the old one? It's scary. >> Like the old one? It's scary. >> No, it's ter- Anyway, it's it's scary. >> No, it's ter- Anyway, it's it's scary. >> No, it's ter- Anyway, it's it's scary. [laughter] It's terrible. I mean, not [laughter] It's terrible. I mean, not [laughter] It's terrible. I mean, not terrible, but it's awesome. And terrible, but it's awesome. And terrible, but it's awesome. And >> It's a dystopian world. >> It's a dystopian world. >> It's a dystopian world. >> There's there's a There's a vivid scene >> There's there's a There's a vivid scene >> There's there's a There's a vivid scene I remember in the movie where there's I remember in the movie where there's I remember in the movie where there's this carnage along this highway. And the this carnage along this highway. And the this carnage along this highway. And the car breaks through and there's blue sky car breaks through and there's blue sky car breaks through and there's blue sky ahead. ahead. ahead. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> The blue sky was always there. It was >> The blue sky was always there. It was >> The blue sky was always there. It was always there. We just had to get through always there. We just had to get through always there. We just had to get through the carnage. the carnage. the carnage. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And the the Now, could we have skipped >> And the the Now, could we have skipped >> And the the Now, could we have skipped it? Maybe. it? Maybe. it? Maybe. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Maybe, but who he was on the other side, >> Maybe, but who he was on the other side, >> Maybe, but who he was on the other side, he would not have been. he would not have been. he would not have been. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> is true for me. I I would not be who I >> is true for me. I I would not be who I >> is true for me. I I would not be who I am without the things I have suffered. am without the things I have suffered. am without the things I have suffered. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And praise God for suffering. >> And praise God for suffering. >> And praise God for suffering. >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No >> This is the Crossroads Daily. No experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when the Bible shows up in real life. >> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> I'm Jamie.

>> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Jamie. >> I'm Josh. [music] >> I'm Josh. [music] >> I'm Josh. [music] >> I'm Alex. >> I'm Alex. >> I'm Alex. >> All right, y'all. I'm a I need some >> All right, y'all. I'm a I need some >> All right, y'all. I'm a I need some help. help. help. I need some help cuz one of the things I need some help cuz one of the things I need some help cuz one of the things we want to reflect on in this one is we want to reflect on in this one is we want to reflect on in this one is have you ever experienced have you ever experienced have you ever experienced >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> God's goodness only in hindsight and >> God's goodness only in hindsight and >> God's goodness only in hindsight and what did you learn from that? And I feel what did you learn from that? And I feel what did you learn from that? And I feel like I'm in one of those seasons where like I'm in one of those seasons where like I'm in one of those seasons where I'm not on the other side of it yet. I'm not on the other side of it yet. I'm not on the other side of it yet. >> And you're in the middle of it. >> And you're in the middle of it. >> And you're in the middle of it. >> I'm in the middle of it. I feel like the >> I'm in the middle of it. I feel like the >> I'm in the middle of it. I feel like the hits just keep on coming. There's a lot hits just keep on coming. There's a lot hits just keep on coming. There's a lot [snorts] in my life. Like somebody [snorts] in my life. Like somebody [snorts] in my life. Like somebody [clears throat] put it to me this way. [clears throat] put it to me this way. [clears throat] put it to me this way. They said, "We need three homes. They said, "We need three homes. They said, "We need three homes. Our our home home, Our our home home, Our our home home, uh, a vocational home, uh, a vocational home, uh, a vocational home, and like a church home, a body of Christ and like a church home, a body of Christ and like a church home, a body of Christ home. home. home. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And when those are disrupted, it's >> And when those are disrupted, it's >> And when those are disrupted, it's challenging. And I'll just be honest and challenging. And I'll just be honest and challenging. And I'll just be honest and say all three of those are disrupted for say all three of those are disrupted for say all three of those are disrupted for me right now. me right now. me right now. >> Oh, man. >> Oh, man. >> Oh, man. >> All three of them. >> All three of them. >> All three of them. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> So So I'm asking I'm asking for a >> So So I'm asking I'm asking for a >> So So I'm asking I'm asking for a friend. I'm asking for this friend. friend. I'm asking for this friend. friend. I'm asking for this friend. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I'm the friend. Like can you think of a >> I'm the friend. Like can you think of a >> I'm the friend. Like can you think of a time where you've experienced God's time where you've experienced God's time where you've experienced God's provision, His goodness, but only in provision, His goodness, but only in provision, His goodness, but only in hindsight What did you learn from that? hindsight What did you learn from that? hindsight What did you learn from that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I feel like most of that is most of the >> I feel like most of that is most of the >> I feel like most of that is most of the time it's in hindsight.

time it's in hindsight. time it's in hindsight. >> That's what I was going to say. It's not >> That's what I was going to say. It's not >> That's what I was going to say. It's not a season, it's a condition. a season, it's a condition. a season, it's a condition. >> I feel [laughter] like I rarely >> I feel [laughter] like I rarely >> I feel [laughter] like I rarely I rarely see the goodness in the moment. I rarely see the goodness in the moment. I rarely see the goodness in the moment. It's only like, "Oh God, you were there. It's only like, "Oh God, you were there. It's only like, "Oh God, you were there. You did the thing." Yeah. Like sometimes You did the thing." Yeah. Like sometimes You did the thing." Yeah. Like sometimes there are those those like mountain top there are those those like mountain top there are those those like mountain top moments where the thing happens. That's moments where the thing happens. That's moments where the thing happens. That's rare for me. It's always I feel like rare for me. It's always I feel like rare for me. It's always I feel like it's generally in hindsight unless I'm it's generally in hindsight unless I'm it's generally in hindsight unless I'm in a place in my life with a rhythm of in a place in my life with a rhythm of in a place in my life with a rhythm of gratitude. gratitude. gratitude. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> A rhythm of gratitude keeps me >> A rhythm of gratitude keeps me >> A rhythm of gratitude keeps me I'm able to see, "Oh, that was goodness. I'm able to see, "Oh, that was goodness. I'm able to see, "Oh, that was goodness. That was That was goodness." Even if That was That was goodness." Even if That was That was goodness." Even if it's pain, that was goodness. it's pain, that was goodness. it's pain, that was goodness. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> Yeah, I think like my default response >> Yeah, I think like my default response >> Yeah, I think like my default response in hardship, in stress, and anxiety is in hardship, in stress, and anxiety is in hardship, in stress, and anxiety is like my creature comforts or my vices like my creature comforts or my vices like my creature comforts or my vices and that kind of thing. And then there's and that kind of thing. And then there's and that kind of thing. And then there's like a moment of like external like a moment of like external like a moment of like external intervention cuz I would love to say it intervention cuz I would love to say it intervention cuz I would love to say it comes from me, but some sort of external comes from me, but some sort of external comes from me, but some sort of external prompt that points me back to God. Um prompt that points me back to God. Um prompt that points me back to God. Um and then gratitude. Yeah, if I'm not and then gratitude. Yeah, if I'm not and then gratitude. Yeah, if I'm not like you can tell when you're heart not like you can tell when you're heart not like you can tell when you're heart not in like the good way we're called to be in like the good way we're called to be in like the good way we're called to be salt, but like when your heart gets salt, but like when your heart gets salt, but like when your heart gets salty.

salty. salty. And then you're just like, And then you're just like, And then you're just like, "The sky is super blue, but I'm still "The sky is super blue, but I'm still "The sky is super blue, but I'm still annoyed about everything." annoyed about everything." annoyed about everything." Um like I'm the rainy cloud, right? And Um like I'm the rainy cloud, right? And Um like I'm the rainy cloud, right? And so I Yeah, I would love to tell you that so I Yeah, I would love to tell you that so I Yeah, I would love to tell you that like, "And then I just walk through like, "And then I just walk through like, "And then I just walk through every hardship like God's got this." every hardship like God's got this." every hardship like God's got this." I might know that. I might know that. I might know that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But just in that space of like >> But just in that space of like >> But just in that space of like Yeah, this just sucks. And okay, God, Yeah, this just sucks. And okay, God, Yeah, this just sucks. And okay, God, I'm going to choose to show you I'm going to choose to show you I'm going to choose to show you gratitude because I need something to gratitude because I need something to gratitude because I need something to look at other than look at other than look at other than all of this disarray. Yeah. all of this disarray. Yeah. all of this disarray. Yeah. >> Yeah, I mean, we know Paul says >> Yeah, I mean, we know Paul says >> Yeah, I mean, we know Paul says you will have suffering in your life. you will have suffering in your life. you will have suffering in your life. And I think even And I think even And I think even knowing that, there's still a piece of knowing that, there's still a piece of knowing that, there's still a piece of me when hits happen that feels surprised me when hits happen that feels surprised me when hits happen that feels surprised in a way. in a way. in a way. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Like >> Like >> Like Yeah, but Yeah, but Yeah, but I am living in the goodness of God or I am living in the goodness of God or I am living in the goodness of God or whatever. Like there's still [laughter] whatever. Like there's still [laughter] whatever. Like there's still [laughter] some part of me that's like, yeah, but some part of me that's like, yeah, but some part of me that's like, yeah, but not suffering for me. Like not not my not suffering for me. Like not not my not suffering for me. Like not not my life. Like I don't deserve this or life. Like I don't deserve this or life. Like I don't deserve this or whatever whatever it is. There's still whatever whatever it is. There's still whatever whatever it is. There's still that piece. So even even though I've that piece. So even even though I've that piece. So even even though I've seen the faithfulness of God so many seen the faithfulness of God so many seen the faithfulness of God so many times.

times. times. A specific example I think that felt so A specific example I think that felt so A specific example I think that felt so confusing to me is having a relationship confusing to me is having a relationship confusing to me is having a relationship with Jesus and struggling with with Jesus and struggling with with Jesus and struggling with depression at the same time. depression at the same time. depression at the same time. >> Oh, preach, sister. >> Oh, preach, sister. >> Oh, preach, sister. >> Yeah. Like so yeah, if you if you know, >> Yeah. Like so yeah, if you if you know, >> Yeah. Like so yeah, if you if you know, you know. That is that is so hard cuz you know. That is that is so hard cuz you know. That is that is so hard cuz you know these promises are true. You you know these promises are true. You you know these promises are true. You know there's the joy of the Lord and know there's the joy of the Lord and know there's the joy of the Lord and healing and all of these things and yet healing and all of these things and yet healing and all of these things and yet you're struggling with this weight, this you're struggling with this weight, this you're struggling with this weight, this cloud that's over you and it is so it is cloud that's over you and it is so it is cloud that's over you and it is so it is so hard to sometimes see the goodness or so hard to sometimes see the goodness or so hard to sometimes see the goodness or be in gratitude be in gratitude be in gratitude in those seasons and it's not it's not in those seasons and it's not it's not in those seasons and it's not it's not until hindsight where you until hindsight where you until hindsight where you see the Lord working. see the Lord working. see the Lord working. >> Yeah. That's right. That's really >> Yeah. That's right. That's really >> Yeah. That's right. That's really helpful. So what I'm hearing is like, helpful. So what I'm hearing is like, helpful. So what I'm hearing is like, yes, it's usually in hindsight. Usually yes, it's usually in hindsight. Usually yes, it's usually in hindsight. Usually not in the moment. not in the moment. not in the moment. >> And and I do think about gratitude. >> And and I do think about gratitude. >> And and I do think about gratitude. Gratitude is an act of resistance Gratitude is an act of resistance Gratitude is an act of resistance against the evil one.

against the evil one. against the evil one. >> It's our only weapon. >> It's our only weapon. >> It's our only weapon. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> I believe it's our only it's our only >> I believe it's our only it's our only >> I believe it's our only it's our only weapon. weapon. weapon. >> And so in the middle even in the middle >> And so in the middle even in the middle >> And so in the middle even in the middle of it, the one thing we can do is look of it, the one thing we can do is look of it, the one thing we can do is look for those gratitudes. I think that's for those gratitudes. I think that's for those gratitudes. I think that's really really powerful. I there's so really really powerful. I there's so really really powerful. I there's so much here. Paul says nothing can much here. Paul says nothing can much here. Paul says nothing can separate us from God and just to just to separate us from God and just to just to separate us from God and just to just to reread kind of the list that he comes up reread kind of the list that he comes up reread kind of the list that he comes up with here, you know, with here, you know, with here, you know, neither death nor life nor angels or neither death nor life nor angels or neither death nor life nor angels or rulers, things present or things to rulers, things present or things to rulers, things present or things to come, powers, height or depth, anything come, powers, height or depth, anything come, powers, height or depth, anything else in all creation, nothing will be else in all creation, nothing will be else in all creation, nothing will be able to separate us from the love of God able to separate us from the love of God able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus. And I This is where I in Christ Jesus. And I This is where I in Christ Jesus. And I This is where I love Paul. Like, you know, I grew up in love Paul. Like, you know, I grew up in love Paul. Like, you know, I grew up in a in in the urban context. And so, in my a in in the urban context. And so, in my a in in the urban context. And so, in my neighborhood, we had what we called OGs. neighborhood, we had what we called OGs. neighborhood, we had what we called OGs. Uh it stands for original gangster. Uh it stands for original gangster. Uh it stands for original gangster. And um many of them were actually And um many of them were actually And um many of them were actually gangsters. They actually were. But gangsters. They actually were. But gangsters. They actually were. But [laughter] But even if they hadn't have [laughter] But even if they hadn't have [laughter] But even if they hadn't have that in their background, that in their background, that in their background, just guys who had lived life and were just guys who had lived life and were just guys who had lived life and were willing to talk about what's real. And I willing to talk about what's real. And I willing to talk about what's real. And I think the reason that Paul is relatable think the reason that Paul is relatable think the reason that Paul is relatable in saying nothing can separate us from in saying nothing can separate us from in saying nothing can separate us from God is because this bro's been tested. God is because this bro's been tested. God is because this bro's been tested. He's seen it, right? And I think there's He's seen it, right? And I think there's He's seen it, right? And I think there's something powerful about that. As you something powerful about that. As you something powerful about that. As you think about what he names, is there think about what he names, is there think about what he names, is there anything that just really resonates for anything that just really resonates for anything that just really resonates for your life or for this season of like, your life or for this season of like, your life or for this season of like, yeah, I've seen it and I know that even yeah, I've seen it and I know that even yeah, I've seen it and I know that even this is something that God works this is something that God works this is something that God works through. I think that might be through. I think that might be through. I think that might be encouraging for other people. We get to encouraging for other people. We get to encouraging for other people. We get to be OGs today. You get to be OGs.

be OGs today. You get to be OGs. be OGs today. You get to be OGs. Somebody might be listening. Somebody might be listening. Somebody might be listening. >> Well, to the I mean, to the >> Well, to the I mean, to the >> Well, to the I mean, to the depression discussion, I mean, that that depression discussion, I mean, that that depression discussion, I mean, that that has that has been for me the entirety of has that has been for me the entirety of has that has been for me the entirety of my life dealing with my life dealing with my life dealing with um depression and anxiety and and I um depression and anxiety and and I um depression and anxiety and and I So, I'm 50 now. So, I'm 50 now. So, I'm 50 now. And And And at 50, I'm happier than I have ever been at 50, I'm happier than I have ever been at 50, I'm happier than I have ever been in my life. in my life. in my life. Now, Now, Now, it didn't happen in a day. It didn't it didn't happen in a day. It didn't it didn't happen in a day. It didn't even happen in 20 years. even happen in 20 years. even happen in 20 years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But now I can look back at I can look >> But now I can look back at I can look >> But now I can look back at I can look back at the journey that the Lord has back at the journey that the Lord has back at the journey that the Lord has taken me through, the suffering, taken me through, the suffering, taken me through, the suffering, um um um and I go, "Oh my gosh." and I go, "Oh my gosh." and I go, "Oh my gosh." >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And I I was actually having a >> And I I was actually having a >> And I I was actually having a conversation with one of my kids about conversation with one of my kids about conversation with one of my kids about it. And he said he said, "Did it I mean, it. And he said he said, "Did it I mean, it. And he said he said, "Did it I mean, it just sound We were talking about our it just sound We were talking about our it just sound We were talking about our lives and and my growing up life." And lives and and my growing up life." And lives and and my growing up life." And he's like, "That just feels hard." And I he's like, "That just feels hard." And I he's like, "That just feels hard." And I was like, "Yeah, and I wouldn't change a was like, "Yeah, and I wouldn't change a was like, "Yeah, and I wouldn't change a single thing." single thing." single thing." I would not change a single thing. I would not change a single thing. I would not change a single thing. >> And why is that? Talk about that. >> And why is that? Talk about that. >> And why is that? Talk about that. >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, well, further on Paul says um well, further on Paul says um well, further on Paul says um we are heirs of God and co-heirs of we are heirs of God and co-heirs of we are heirs of God and co-heirs of Christ if indeed we share in his Christ if indeed we share in his Christ if indeed we share in his suffering.

suffering. suffering. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> And I just think we are who we are >> And I just think we are who we are >> And I just think we are who we are when we come out the other side of when we come out the other side of when we come out the other side of suffering with Jesus, you know, the the suffering with Jesus, you know, the the suffering with Jesus, you know, the the yoke, we yoke to Jesus, we are there yoke, we yoke to Jesus, we are there yoke, we yoke to Jesus, we are there with Jesus on the other side of it we with Jesus on the other side of it we with Jesus on the other side of it we go, yes, yes. go, yes, yes. go, yes, yes. And the the the thing we are inheriting, And the the the thing we are inheriting, And the the the thing we are inheriting, the the the the the the the it's not, you know, it's not a the it's not, you know, it's not a the it's not, you know, it's not a castle, it's not it's it's not a bank, castle, it's not it's it's not a bank, castle, it's not it's it's not a bank, it is it is hope. It is hope beyond it is it is hope. It is hope beyond it is it is hope. It is hope beyond hope. hope. hope. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's the thing we're inheriting. >> That's the thing we're inheriting. >> That's the thing we're inheriting. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, what I hear you saying, my mom >> Yeah, what I hear you saying, my mom >> Yeah, what I hear you saying, my mom used to say it this way, like, there are used to say it this way, like, there are used to say it this way, like, there are things you need to know in your knower. things you need to know in your knower. things you need to know in your knower. I don't know where your knower I don't know where your knower I don't know where your knower [laughter] is, [laughter] is, [laughter] is, but you understand what she's saying and but you understand what she's saying and but you understand what she's saying and I think that's what I hear you saying is I think that's what I hear you saying is I think that's what I hear you saying is like suffering puts some truths about like suffering puts some truths about like suffering puts some truths about God in your knower. God in your knower. God in your knower. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That you don't get even if you have a >> That you don't get even if you have a >> That you don't get even if you have a discipline of reading this every day, discipline of reading this every day, discipline of reading this every day, which you should read this every day, which you should read this every day, which you should read this every day, but like but there's some stuff that you but like but there's some stuff that you but like but there's some stuff that you get through suffering and that's what I get through suffering and that's what I get through suffering and that's what I hear you saying and I think, you know, hear you saying and I think, you know, hear you saying and I think, you know, tie to the happiness though. Like for tie to the happiness though. Like for tie to the happiness though. Like for you to say you're the happiest you've you to say you're the happiest you've you to say you're the happiest you've been at 50. been at 50. been at 50. >> The happiest I've ever been at 50, yes.

>> The happiest I've ever been at 50, yes. >> The happiest I've ever been at 50, yes. And I think I think it's because And I think I think it's because And I think I think it's because so the best the best way I can look at so the best the best way I can look at so the best the best way I can look at it is, uh, you guys ever seen Mad Max? it is, uh, you guys ever seen Mad Max? it is, uh, you guys ever seen Mad Max? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> You've never seen Mad Max? >> You've never seen Mad Max? >> You've never seen Mad Max? >> No. >> No. >> No. Scary. Scary. Scary. >> No, it's terri- Anyway, it's terri- >> No, it's terri- Anyway, it's terri- >> No, it's terri- Anyway, it's terri- >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> it's terrible. I mean, not terrible, but >> it's terrible. I mean, not terrible, but >> it's terrible. I mean, not terrible, but it's awesome and it's awesome and it's awesome and >> Apocalyptic world. >> Apocalyptic world. >> Apocalyptic world. >> I'll take your recap. There's a vivid >> I'll take your recap. There's a vivid >> I'll take your recap. There's a vivid scene I remember in the movie where scene I remember in the movie where scene I remember in the movie where there's this carnage along this highway there's this carnage along this highway there's this carnage along this highway and the car breaks through and there's and the car breaks through and there's and the car breaks through and there's blue sky ahead. blue sky ahead. blue sky ahead. The blue sky was always there. The blue sky was always there. The blue sky was always there. It was always there. We just had to get It was always there. We just had to get It was always there. We just had to get through the carnage. through the carnage. through the carnage. And the the Now, could we have skipped And the the Now, could we have skipped And the the Now, could we have skipped it? Maybe. it? Maybe. it? Maybe. Maybe, but who he was on the other side, Maybe, but who he was on the other side, Maybe, but who he was on the other side, he would not have been. The same is true he would not have been. The same is true he would not have been. The same is true for me. for me. for me. I would not be who I am without the I would not be who I am without the I would not be who I am without the things I have suffered. things I have suffered. things I have suffered. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And praise God for suffering. The uh >> And praise God for suffering. The uh >> And praise God for suffering. The uh Stephen Colbert did an interview with um Stephen Colbert did an interview with um Stephen Colbert did an interview with um I can't remember who who his name was, I can't remember who who his name was, I can't remember who who his name was, but he but he but he the interviewer said he quoted him, he the interviewer said he quoted him, he the interviewer said he quoted him, he said, "There is no said, "There is no said, "There is no punishments of God that aren't a gift."

punishments of God that aren't a gift." punishments of God that aren't a gift." >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And the Anderson Cooper. It was Anderson >> And the Anderson Cooper. It was Anderson >> And the Anderson Cooper. It was Anderson Cooper and he he asked that question and Cooper and he he asked that question and Cooper and he he asked that question and he broke down and cried and said, "Do he broke down and cried and said, "Do he broke down and cried and said, "Do you really believe that?" you really believe that?" you really believe that?" >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And and Stephen Colbert said, "Yeah, I >> And and Stephen Colbert said, "Yeah, I >> And and Stephen Colbert said, "Yeah, I do. do. do. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And they had both gone through suffering >> And they had both gone through suffering >> And they had both gone through suffering >> and lots of grief and lots of loss and >> and lots of grief and lots of loss and >> and lots of grief and lots of loss and lots of grief and lots of loss. lots of grief and lots of loss. lots of grief and lots of loss. >> And for Anderson, it just it touched his >> And for Anderson, it just it touched his >> And for Anderson, it just it touched his soul like he it was he was in such a soul like he it was he was in such a soul like he it was he was in such a place of pain and that statement for him place of pain and that statement for him place of pain and that statement for him was not alien, but it was just like, was not alien, but it was just like, was not alien, but it was just like, "Please, you got to tell me help me "Please, you got to tell me help me "Please, you got to tell me help me understand. Help me understand." And understand. Help me understand." And understand. Help me understand." And that's the gift we have. that's the gift we have. that's the gift we have. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's the gift we have. >> That's the gift we have. >> That's the gift we have. >> And now you get to share >> And now you get to share >> And now you get to share hope and experience with people who are hope and experience with people who are hope and experience with people who are going through that suffering like you've going through that suffering like you've going through that suffering like you've been there. been there. been there. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Amen. So Paul's right. Paul's telling >> Amen. So Paul's right. Paul's telling >> Amen. So Paul's right. Paul's telling the truth. the truth. the truth. >> Sounds like it. >> Sounds like it. >> Sounds like it. >> You know, it's truth. [laughter] There's >> You know, it's truth. [laughter] There's >> You know, it's truth. [laughter] There's nothing Listen, I nothing Listen, I nothing Listen, I >> I don't think no. >> I don't think no. >> I don't think no. >> I don't think Paul got that. >> I don't think Paul got that. >> I don't think Paul got that. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You know, I would imagine that there are >> You know, I would imagine that there are >> You know, I would imagine that there are folks who are watching right now who are folks who are watching right now who are folks who are watching right now who are going through hell. going through hell. going through hell. Going through hell. And maybe it is Going through hell. And maybe it is Going through hell. And maybe it is depression or maybe it is something else depression or maybe it is something else depression or maybe it is something else in your life. Um in your life. Um in your life. Um >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> One of the things that was helpful to me >> One of the things that was helpful to me >> One of the things that was helpful to me and a counselor gave me this. They said, and a counselor gave me this. They said, and a counselor gave me this. They said, "You know what? "You know what? "You know what? Chuck, I know that you don't see hope in Chuck, I know that you don't see hope in Chuck, I know that you don't see hope in this situation. this situation. this situation. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Borrow my hope. And so I want to just >> Borrow my hope. And so I want to just >> Borrow my hope. And so I want to just give you permission to borrow our hope, give you permission to borrow our hope, give you permission to borrow our hope, to borrow the hope of our brother Paul. to borrow the hope of our brother Paul. to borrow the hope of our brother Paul. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That no matter what you're going >> That no matter what you're going >> That no matter what you're going through, nothing, absolutely nothing can through, nothing, absolutely nothing can through, nothing, absolutely nothing can separate you from God's love.