Why Jesus Calls You a Sheep | John 10:11-18

>> Uh hey, I'm Chuck. >> Uh hey, I'm Chuck. >> I'm Mish. >> I'm Mish. >> I'm Mish. >> I'm Danny. >> I'm Danny. >> I'm Danny. >> I'm Jordan. >> I'm Jordan. >> I'm Jordan. >> And thanks for joining us. We're talking >> And thanks for joining us. We're talking >> And thanks for joining us. We're talking about Jesus about Jesus about Jesus calling himself the good shepherd. Not calling himself the good shepherd. Not calling himself the good shepherd. Not just calling himself the good shepherd. just calling himself the good shepherd. just calling himself the good shepherd. Jesus is the good shepherd. Um but he Jesus is the good shepherd. Um but he Jesus is the good shepherd. Um but he compares a good shepherd to a hired compares a good shepherd to a hired compares a good shepherd to a hired hand, to somebody who doesn't have that hand, to somebody who doesn't have that hand, to somebody who doesn't have that level of commitment. I'm just wondering, level of commitment. I'm just wondering, level of commitment. I'm just wondering, have you ever been under the guidance of have you ever been under the guidance of have you ever been under the guidance of a hired hand? a hired hand? a hired hand? Did that ever happen for you? Did that ever happen for you? Did that ever happen for you? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah? >> Yeah? >> Yeah? >> Hired hands disappear when things get >> Hired hands disappear when things get >> Hired hands disappear when things get messy. messy. messy. >> They sure do. >> They sure do. >> They sure do. >> When the mess [clears throat] starts to >> When the mess [clears throat] starts to >> When the mess [clears throat] starts to happen, I'm out. happen, I'm out. happen, I'm out. >> You got an example? You got an example? >> You got an example? You got an example? >> You got an example? You got an example? >> Oh gosh, probably too many. >> Oh gosh, probably too many. >> Oh gosh, probably too many. Um Um Um >> [laughter] >> Uh one that comes to mind is in a in a >> Uh one that comes to mind is in a in a former job. We were trying some new former job. We were trying some new former job. We were trying some new things and it was it got messy quick. things and it was it got messy quick. things and it was it got messy quick. And as soon as it got messy, the person And as soon as it got messy, the person And as soon as it got messy, the person that was in it with me, like we were in that was in it with me, like we were in that was in it with me, like we were in it. We were doing it together. Dipped. it. We were doing it together. Dipped. it. We were doing it together. Dipped. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Dipped. Left me there and I was like, >> Dipped. Left me there and I was like, >> Dipped. Left me there and I was like, you know what? I'm stubborn and I'mma you know what? I'm stubborn and I'mma you know what? I'm stubborn and I'mma keep going. But yeah, dipped.

keep going. But yeah, dipped. keep going. But yeah, dipped. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It happens. >> It happens. >> It happens. >> No, it does happen. It does happen. I >> No, it does happen. It does happen. I >> No, it does happen. It does happen. I think about um this is a this is a think about um this is a this is a think about um this is a this is a blanket statement, but like most blanket statement, but like most blanket statement, but like most customer service experiences I've had customer service experiences I've had customer service experiences I've had have been hired hand. have been hired hand. have been hired hand. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh my goodness. >> Yeah. Experiences. Not most. I shouldn't >> Yeah. Experiences. Not most. I shouldn't >> Yeah. Experiences. Not most. I shouldn't say that, but there's some painful ones, say that, but there's some painful ones, say that, but there's some painful ones, right? Where it's like you get to that right? Where it's like you get to that right? Where it's like you get to that point where you're like, I'm just point where you're like, I'm just point where you're like, I'm just talking to myself here. You really don't talking to myself here. You really don't talking to myself here. You really don't care [laughter] care [laughter] care [laughter] about what I'm saying. You're not going about what I'm saying. You're not going about what I'm saying. You're not going to help me. And I think yeah, there's to help me. And I think yeah, there's to help me. And I think yeah, there's that loyalty on the front end of a deal that loyalty on the front end of a deal that loyalty on the front end of a deal or a sale, but on the back end it's or a sale, but on the back end it's or a sale, but on the back end it's like, oh sorry, can't help you. like, oh sorry, can't help you. like, oh sorry, can't help you. >> 100%. >> 100%. >> 100%. Um Um Um I feel like there's a lot of hired hands I feel like there's a lot of hired hands I feel like there's a lot of hired hands just like content creators just like content creators just like content creators >> That's a good one. >> That's a good one. >> That's a good one. >> out there to be honest. Like people like >> out there to be honest. Like people like >> out there to be honest. Like people like the algorithm or whatever kind of makes the algorithm or whatever kind of makes the algorithm or whatever kind of makes you gives people the opportunity to be you gives people the opportunity to be you gives people the opportunity to be hired hands. I think the callout and the hired hands. I think the callout and the hired hands. I think the callout and the watch out sometimes is like within our watch out sometimes is like within our watch out sometimes is like within our own like church and Christian circles own like church and Christian circles own like church and Christian circles how easy it could be to be a hired hand how easy it could be to be a hired hand how easy it could be to be a hired hand for us. I'm just like good advice for us. I'm just like good advice for us. I'm just like good advice because for people who do have a because for people who do have a because for people who do have a following and are like our past well following and are like our past well following and are like our past well known pastors and stuff like that they known pastors and stuff like that they known pastors and stuff like that they can't always be around like what the can't always be around like what the can't always be around like what the good shepherd was for Jesus is he was good shepherd was for Jesus is he was good shepherd was for Jesus is he was around. He was able to around. He was able to around. He was able to lay his life down to the people who are lay his life down to the people who are lay his life down to the people who are surrounding him whereas like these surrounding him whereas like these surrounding him whereas like these people who are well known in the people who are well known in the people who are well known in the Christian circles don't always have that Christian circles don't always have that Christian circles don't always have that opportunity and how easy it could be to opportunity and how easy it could be to opportunity and how easy it could be to fall into the trap of being a hired fall into the trap of being a hired fall into the trap of being a hired hand.

hand. hand. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's so good. >> That's so good. >> That's so good. >> Chuck, what it reminds me of when you're >> Chuck, what it reminds me of when you're >> Chuck, what it reminds me of when you're saying that and what you're saying, it's saying that and what you're saying, it's saying that and what you're saying, it's transactional. transactional. transactional. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's not relational. >> It's not relational. >> It's not relational. >> relational. >> relational. >> relational. >> And the the good shepherd knows like a >> And the the good shepherd knows like a >> And the the good shepherd knows like a good shepherd and for real life like good shepherd and for real life like good shepherd and for real life like shepherds legit. They know their sheep. shepherds legit. They know their sheep. shepherds legit. They know their sheep. They recognize their their baas or They recognize their their baas or They recognize their their baas or whatever noise they [laughter] make. whatever noise they [laughter] make. whatever noise they [laughter] make. They know what they look like. They know They know what they look like. They know They know what they look like. They know how they walk. They they they're how they walk. They they they're how they walk. They they they're intimately engaged with those sheep. intimately engaged with those sheep. intimately engaged with those sheep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so yeah, I mean it's different. It's >> And so yeah, I mean it's different. It's >> And so yeah, I mean it's different. It's not transactional. It's super not transactional. It's super not transactional. It's super relational. relational. relational. >> That's so good. >> That's so good. >> That's so good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's so good. So when you think about >> That's so good. So when you think about >> That's so good. So when you think about your relationship with Jesus, your relationship with Jesus, your relationship with Jesus, what aspect of him calling himself the what aspect of him calling himself the what aspect of him calling himself the good shepherd is most challenging for good shepherd is most challenging for good shepherd is most challenging for you? Jordan, what's what's challenging you? Jordan, what's what's challenging you? Jordan, what's what's challenging about receiving Jesus as shepherd? about receiving Jesus as shepherd? about receiving Jesus as shepherd? >> Yeah, I feel like the first thing that >> Yeah, I feel like the first thing that >> Yeah, I feel like the first thing that comes to mind is I've just not in a lot comes to mind is I've just not in a lot comes to mind is I've just not in a lot of spaces where I interact with sheep or of spaces where I interact with sheep or of spaces where I interact with sheep or shepherds. So just like the concept of shepherds. So just like the concept of shepherds. So just like the concept of it is just kind of foreign to me. Like I it is just kind of foreign to me. Like I it is just kind of foreign to me. Like I just just just >> You said you're not in a lot of Are you >> You said you're not in a lot of Are you >> You said you're not in a lot of Are you in any in any in any >> I I don't [laughter] think any spaces, >> I I don't [laughter] think any spaces, >> I I don't [laughter] think any spaces, but but but >> heading zoo. >> heading zoo. >> heading zoo. >> Uh yeah, well I mean you know I've seen >> Uh yeah, well I mean you know I've seen >> Uh yeah, well I mean you know I've seen >> I've seen a [laughter] few sheep before, >> I've seen a [laughter] few sheep before, >> I've seen a [laughter] few sheep before, but but but >> the idea of shepherd is just like it's >> the idea of shepherd is just like it's >> the idea of shepherd is just like it's just foreign. It's not something I'm just foreign. It's not something I'm just foreign. It's not something I'm familiar with and so I even need to familiar with and so I even need to familiar with and so I even need to press in a little bit more to the press in a little bit more to the press in a little bit more to the scriptures there to just be like, "Okay, scriptures there to just be like, "Okay, scriptures there to just be like, "Okay, I kind of have an idea of shepherd. I I kind of have an idea of shepherd. I I kind of have an idea of shepherd. I got this picture in my head of who that got this picture in my head of who that got this picture in my head of who that is. He's got a a little cane staff thing is. He's got a a little cane staff thing is. He's got a a little cane staff thing and he walks around." But like I don't and he walks around." But like I don't and he walks around." But like I don't really know all the ins and outs of what really know all the ins and outs of what really know all the ins and outs of what he does.

he does. he does. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think that that's one of the >> And I think that that's one of the >> And I think that that's one of the challenges is I can assume but I challenges is I can assume but I challenges is I can assume but I actually don't really know the actually don't really know the actually don't really know the day-to-day operations of a shepherd. day-to-day operations of a shepherd. day-to-day operations of a shepherd. >> Yeah. Yeah, no, that's right. That's >> Yeah. Yeah, no, that's right. That's >> Yeah. Yeah, no, that's right. That's right. right. right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think for me one of the most >> I think for me one of the most >> I think for me one of the most challenging things is I don't want to be challenging things is I don't want to be challenging things is I don't want to be a sheep. a sheep. a sheep. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And I can actually believe I'm not. >> And I can actually believe I'm not. >> And I can actually believe I'm not. I can get to I've been thinking about I can get to I've been thinking about I can get to I've been thinking about this a lot lately like everything I have this a lot lately like everything I have this a lot lately like everything I have is by grace. is by grace. is by grace. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Saved by grace, I live by grace. If I'm >> Saved by grace, I live by grace. If I'm >> Saved by grace, I live by grace. If I'm helping you in anything I say right now, helping you in anything I say right now, helping you in anything I say right now, it's only being said by grace. Like it's it's only being said by grace. Like it's it's only being said by grace. Like it's not me but I can I can so be not me but I can I can so be not me but I can I can so be self-deceived to think, you know, what self-deceived to think, you know, what self-deceived to think, you know, what God, I got this one. God, I got this one. God, I got this one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You just I'll come to you for the big >> You just I'll come to you for the big >> You just I'll come to you for the big thing. I I got this and it's just not thing. I I got this and it's just not thing. I I got this and it's just not true. And so I think for me the true. And so I think for me the true. And so I think for me the challenge in Jesus saying he's the good challenge in Jesus saying he's the good challenge in Jesus saying he's the good shepherd is me humbling myself over and shepherd is me humbling myself over and shepherd is me humbling myself over and over again and recognizing I am a sheep. over again and recognizing I am a sheep. over again and recognizing I am a sheep. I need I need I need I need to I literally can't put on I need to I literally can't put on I need to I literally can't put on my pants on the right legs. I can't put my pants on the right legs. I can't put my pants on the right legs. I can't put on my shoe I can't tie my shoe. I can't on my shoe I can't tie my shoe. I can't on my shoe I can't tie my shoe. I can't do anything that really looks like do anything that really looks like do anything that really looks like fruitfulness without the good shepherd.

fruitfulness without the good shepherd. fruitfulness without the good shepherd. >> Guidance, protection, and >> Guidance, protection, and >> Guidance, protection, and >> it. >> it. >> it. I can't husband, father, friend, I can't I can't husband, father, friend, I can't I can't husband, father, friend, I can't I can't handle my money. I can't do I can't handle my money. I can't do I can't handle my money. I can't do anything anything anything without Jesus as the good shepherd. without Jesus as the good shepherd. without Jesus as the good shepherd. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And I resist that. >> And I resist that. >> And I resist that. >> Yeah. I mean I I celebrate my >> Yeah. I mean I I celebrate my >> Yeah. I mean I I celebrate my independence so much but really Jesus independence so much but really Jesus independence so much but really Jesus celebrates dependence on him, right? celebrates dependence on him, right? celebrates dependence on him, right? And that's where I fall short. And that's where I fall short. And that's where I fall short. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's really easy to not live in >> Yeah, it's really easy to not live in >> Yeah, it's really easy to not live in that identity of being a sheep also that identity of being a sheep also that identity of being a sheep also because everything in our culture tells because everything in our culture tells because everything in our culture tells us to be independent or be dependent on us to be independent or be dependent on us to be independent or be dependent on something completely different. something completely different. something completely different. And dude, I just like imagine you next And dude, I just like imagine you next And dude, I just like imagine you next week seeing like yeah, I bought a ranch. week seeing like yeah, I bought a ranch. week seeing like yeah, I bought a ranch. Leaned into Leaned into Leaned into >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> leaned into what being a shepherd is. I >> leaned into what being a shepherd is. I >> leaned into what being a shepherd is. I bought a ranch and now I'm going to lead bought a ranch and now I'm going to lead bought a ranch and now I'm going to lead some sheep. But no, for real like that some sheep. But no, for real like that some sheep. But no, for real like that understanding of what it means to truly understanding of what it means to truly understanding of what it means to truly be guided by this person who not only be guided by this person who not only be guided by this person who not only knows best for you, but will protect you knows best for you, but will protect you knows best for you, but will protect you against against against all odds.

all odds. all odds. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Amen. >> Yeah. What does he say? He says, "I'll >> Yeah. What does he say? He says, "I'll >> Yeah. What does he say? He says, "I'll lay down my life lay down my life lay down my life for the sheep." So, for the sheep." So, for the sheep." So, >> We talked about the challenging part. >> We talked about the challenging part. >> We talked about the challenging part. What's been encouraging? How has Jesus What's been encouraging? How has Jesus What's been encouraging? How has Jesus shepherded you? What are some real ways shepherded you? What are some real ways shepherded you? What are some real ways that you've been shepherded by Jesus? that you've been shepherded by Jesus? that you've been shepherded by Jesus? >> I was thinking about this a little bit >> I was thinking about this a little bit >> I was thinking about this a little bit ago actually. I was talking to somebody ago actually. I was talking to somebody ago actually. I was talking to somebody about the idea of being a protector. about the idea of being a protector. about the idea of being a protector. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're talking We're having conversation >> We're talking We're having conversation >> We're talking We're having conversation about being a you know, a dad, which is about being a you know, a dad, which is about being a you know, a dad, which is like a whole different discussion, but like a whole different discussion, but like a whole different discussion, but you know, I think one of the big roles you know, I think one of the big roles you know, I think one of the big roles of being a dad is a protector. of being a dad is a protector. of being a dad is a protector. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the idea of protection is really >> And the idea of protection is really >> And the idea of protection is really strange because I know there's so many strange because I know there's so many strange because I know there's so many times in my life that God's protected me times in my life that God's protected me times in my life that God's protected me from things either like from things either like from things either like a decision or a move or a dream or this a decision or a move or a dream or this a decision or a move or a dream or this or that, but then there's also times or that, but then there's also times or that, but then there's also times where where where I don't know I was protected because I I don't know I was protected because I I don't know I was protected because I was protected. was protected. was protected. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Like >> Like >> Like >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Does that make kind of make sense what >> Does that make kind of make sense what >> Does that make kind of make sense what I'm saying? I'm saying? I'm saying? >> My mom used to pray a prayer, "Protect >> My mom used to pray a prayer, "Protect >> My mom used to pray a prayer, "Protect us from danger seen and unseen." us from danger seen and unseen." us from danger seen and unseen." >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> There's a lot of unseen, right? >> There's a lot of unseen, right? >> There's a lot of unseen, right? >> I know there have been things that I've >> I know there have been things that I've >> I know there have been things that I've seen that I've been protected of. I'm seen that I've been protected of. I'm seen that I've been protected of. I'm sure there's 10 times the amount of sure there's 10 times the amount of sure there's 10 times the amount of things that were unseen where God things that were unseen where God things that were unseen where God protected me and I'm I'm so protected me and I'm I'm so protected me and I'm I'm so simple-minded or or whatever, you know, simple-minded or or whatever, you know, simple-minded or or whatever, you know, as a sheep that I don't even know that I as a sheep that I don't even know that I as a sheep that I don't even know that I was about to walk off a cliff.

was about to walk off a cliff. was about to walk off a cliff. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And >> And >> And he pulled me in and I'm just like he pulled me in and I'm just like he pulled me in and I'm just like I didn't know that happened. I didn't know that happened. I didn't know that happened. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of a wild thought, but >> It's kind of a wild thought, but >> It's kind of a wild thought, but >> is. Yeah, it is. >> is. Yeah, it is. >> is. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> How about you guys? >> How about you guys? >> How about you guys? How has Jesus shepherded you? Or how is How has Jesus shepherded you? Or how is How has Jesus shepherded you? Or how is he shepherding you right now? he shepherding you right now? he shepherding you right now? >> I think that's the bigger one, how he's >> I think that's the bigger one, how he's >> I think that's the bigger one, how he's shepherding me right now. It's really shepherding me right now. It's really shepherding me right now. It's really easy for me to be like confrontational easy for me to be like confrontational easy for me to be like confrontational in the sight of like what I believe in the sight of like what I believe in the sight of like what I believe might be injustice. And I hope what might be injustice. And I hope what might be injustice. And I hope what Jesus is guiding me to see injustice. Jesus is guiding me to see injustice. Jesus is guiding me to see injustice. Um it's really easy for me to stray away Um it's really easy for me to stray away Um it's really easy for me to stray away from confronting my own pride, from confronting my own pride, from confronting my own pride, especially as it relates to like especially as it relates to like especially as it relates to like my family, whether it's like ambitions my family, whether it's like ambitions my family, whether it's like ambitions and desires and things that I want to do and desires and things that I want to do and desires and things that I want to do as opposed to ways he's guiding me, as opposed to ways he's guiding me, as opposed to ways he's guiding me, whether it's with my career, whether whether it's with my career, whether whether it's with my career, whether it's with like how our family is living, it's with like how our family is living, it's with like how our family is living, dying to my wife, things like that. dying to my wife, things like that. dying to my wife, things like that. And so, I think it's shepherding me to And so, I think it's shepherding me to And so, I think it's shepherding me to have like be very communicative with my have like be very communicative with my have like be very communicative with my wife in particular, but also just like wife in particular, but also just like wife in particular, but also just like with my extended family and people who with my extended family and people who with my extended family and people who care with me or care about me so much care with me or care about me so much care with me or care about me so much and care about my family so much. Um to and care about my family so much. Um to and care about my family so much. Um to just be communicative. Like not just be communicative. Like not just be communicative. Like not confrontational but communicative and up confrontational but communicative and up confrontational but communicative and up front and honest and like where I'm at.

front and honest and like where I'm at. front and honest and like where I'm at. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I feel like Jesus shepherds me >> I feel like Jesus shepherds me >> I feel like Jesus shepherds me thankfully gently with the with the thankfully gently with the with the thankfully gently with the with the staff, not the rod. I mean staff, not the rod. I mean staff, not the rod. I mean but he he does it through a lot of times but he he does it through a lot of times but he he does it through a lot of times through people and but I have to pay through people and but I have to pay through people and but I have to pay attention. So like I heard somebody attention. So like I heard somebody attention. So like I heard somebody talking about another person saying, you talking about another person saying, you talking about another person saying, you know, they're quiet and they don't know, they're quiet and they don't know, they're quiet and they don't really say much but boy they live a loud really say much but boy they live a loud really say much but boy they live a loud life. And that struck me and I was like, life. And that struck me and I was like, life. And that struck me and I was like, oh, wait a minute. I think I think oh, wait a minute. I think I think oh, wait a minute. I think I think there's somebody talking to me right there's somebody talking to me right there's somebody talking to me right now. now. now. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> And recognize like, no, I want to make >> And recognize like, no, I want to make >> And recognize like, no, I want to make sure I'm living a loud life, you know? sure I'm living a loud life, you know? sure I'm living a loud life, you know? >> Anyway, that's kind of what that's fresh >> Anyway, that's kind of what that's fresh >> Anyway, that's kind of what that's fresh right now. right now. right now. >> That's cool. I love that. I love that. >> That's cool. I love that. I love that. >> That's cool. I love that. I love that. You know, as we wrap up it makes me You know, as we wrap up it makes me You know, as we wrap up it makes me think about Yeah, I love that. Live a think about Yeah, I love that. Live a think about Yeah, I love that. Live a loud life. Like loud life. Like loud life. Like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> how do you loudly follow the shepherd? >> how do you loudly follow the shepherd? >> how do you loudly follow the shepherd? Doesn't mean it has come from your Doesn't mean it has come from your Doesn't mean it has come from your words, but it does come from your words, but it does come from your words, but it does come from your obedience, you know? The invitation is obedience, you know? The invitation is obedience, you know? The invitation is constantly there and what a good sheep constantly there and what a good sheep constantly there and what a good sheep does is a good sheep knows the voice of does is a good sheep knows the voice of does is a good sheep knows the voice of the shepherd. the shepherd. the shepherd. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And they follow it. And so today in your >> And they follow it. And so today in your >> And they follow it. And so today in your life, whatever that looks like for you, life, whatever that looks like for you, life, whatever that looks like for you, where are you hearing the voice of the where are you hearing the voice of the where are you hearing the voice of the shepherd and what does it look like to shepherd and what does it look like to shepherd and what does it look like to follow it so that your life loudly follow it so that your life loudly follow it so that your life loudly speaks to the goodness of Jesus as a speaks to the goodness of Jesus as a speaks to the goodness of Jesus as a shepherd?

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