What is this going to cost me? | Exodus 2

My confession is I'm probably more My confession is I'm probably more similar to you, Chris, where like I see similar to you, Chris, where like I see similar to you, Chris, where like I see injustice and I still can do that injustice and I still can do that injustice and I still can do that self-calculation of what's this going to self-calculation of what's this going to self-calculation of what's this going to cost me. cost me. cost me. And I wish that wasn't necessarily my And I wish that wasn't necessarily my And I wish that wasn't necessarily my initial response, but I think there's a initial response, but I think there's a initial response, but I think there's a part of me that always is calculating. part of me that always is calculating. part of me that always is calculating. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like Should I what's it going to cost >> Like Should I what's it going to cost >> Like Should I what's it going to cost me? This is the Crossroads daily. No me? This is the Crossroads daily. No me? This is the Crossroads daily. No experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest experts, no perfect people, just honest conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when conversations about what happens when the Bible shows up in real life. [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> Hey, I'm Chuck. >> I'm Kirsten. >> I'm Kirsten. >> I'm Kirsten. >> I'm Chris. >> I'm Chris. >> I'm Chris. >> I'm Sierra. >> I'm Sierra. >> I'm Sierra. >> And we are in Exodus. >> And we are in Exodus. >> And we are in Exodus. >> Woo! >> Woo! >> Woo! Yes! [screaming] Yes! [screaming] Yes! [screaming] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Don't ask me why. >> Don't ask me why. >> Don't ask me why. >> I know. It's just, you know, new Bible >> I know. It's just, you know, new Bible >> I know. It's just, you know, new Bible new Bible [laughter] new Bible book new new Bible [laughter] new Bible book new new Bible [laughter] new Bible book new book of the Bible. Um yeah, Ex- I mean, book of the Bible. Um yeah, Ex- I mean, book of the Bible. Um yeah, Ex- I mean, honestly, lots of people would say honestly, lots of people would say honestly, lots of people would say Exodus is kind of the motif of the Exodus is kind of the motif of the Exodus is kind of the motif of the entire story of scripture. entire story of scripture. entire story of scripture. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, Exodus is really really profound. >> So, Exodus is really really profound. >> So, Exodus is really really profound. And today we're looking at kind of the And today we're looking at kind of the And today we're looking at kind of the painful part of Exodus at the beginning painful part of Exodus at the beginning painful part of Exodus at the beginning where the Israelites are enslaved and where the Israelites are enslaved and where the Israelites are enslaved and they're dealing with injustice. And so, they're dealing with injustice. And so, they're dealing with injustice. And so, um what's your typical response when um what's your typical response when um what's your typical response when faced with injustice, either yours or faced with injustice, either yours or faced with injustice, either yours or someone else that you see being impacted someone else that you see being impacted someone else that you see being impacted by injustice?

by injustice? by injustice? >> Uh I black out, completely [snorts] >> Uh I black out, completely [snorts] >> Uh I black out, completely [snorts] rage, and just have no sense of rage, and just have no sense of rage, and just have no sense of anything going around me other than anything going around me other than anything going around me other than righting injustice. I'll tell you righting injustice. I'll tell you righting injustice. I'll tell you the I'm the small end of it. If you're the I'm the small end of it. If you're the I'm the small end of it. If you're into the enneagram at all, I'm an into the enneagram at all, I'm an into the enneagram at all, I'm an enneagram eight. enneagram eight. enneagram eight. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, anything as little as like >> So, anything as little as like >> So, anything as little as like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> not honoring a scheduled time. Like if >> not honoring a scheduled time. Like if >> not honoring a scheduled time. Like if we're scheduled to meet, like respect my we're scheduled to meet, like respect my we're scheduled to meet, like respect my time and show up. But also time and show up. But also time and show up. But also >> I was late here today. >> I was late here today. >> I was late here today. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> you said that. And you said that. He was >> you said that. And you said that. He was >> you said that. And you said that. He was a little bit late for this a little bit late for this a little bit late for this meeting. my time and every minute you meeting. my time and every minute you meeting. my time and every minute you >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> got further and further on my crap list. >> got further and further on my crap list. >> got further and further on my crap list. No, No, one time I was going to REI No, No, one time I was going to REI No, No, one time I was going to REI >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> and I'm walking out and a car is coming >> and I'm walking out and a car is coming >> and I'm walking out and a car is coming and there's like crosswalks everywhere, and there's like crosswalks everywhere, and there's like crosswalks everywhere, right? It's like you have places to get right? It's like you have places to get right? It's like you have places to get from your car to the store and someone's from your car to the store and someone's from your car to the store and someone's walking and a car comes and just lays on walking and a car comes and just lays on walking and a car comes and just lays on the horn like almost hits this person the horn like almost hits this person the horn like almost hits this person and I literally and I literally and I literally my poor husband, I was like, "Hold our my poor husband, I was like, "Hold our my poor husband, I was like, "Hold our stuff." And I was knocking [laughter] on stuff." And I was knocking [laughter] on stuff." And I was knocking [laughter] on the window and I I was like, I don't the window and I I was like, I don't the window and I I was like, I don't know what overcomes me but I'm like, know what overcomes me but I'm like, know what overcomes me but I'm like, "This is a crosswalk. Like let this "This is a crosswalk. Like let this "This is a crosswalk. Like let this person [laughter] like walk. Stop person [laughter] like walk. Stop person [laughter] like walk. Stop beeping at them. You have no right." And beeping at them. You have no right." And beeping at them. You have no right." And just little things like that, I just just little things like that, I just just little things like that, I just it's like you are in the wrong.

it's like you are in the wrong. it's like you are in the wrong. >> Feisty Kirsten. >> Feisty Kirsten. >> Feisty Kirsten. >> Chill out. Yes. I just have business to >> Chill out. Yes. I just have business to >> Chill out. Yes. I just have business to get done and that is that's one of them. get done and that is that's one of them. get done and that is that's one of them. So, I don't know. I love I love this So, I don't know. I love I love this So, I don't know. I love I love this because because because as as as complicated as it is, like, you know, complicated as it is, like, you know, complicated as it is, like, you know, murder's involved. I don't know. God murder's involved. I don't know. God murder's involved. I don't know. God does crazy things through redemption in does crazy things through redemption in does crazy things through redemption in that but I can't help but think like that but I can't help but think like that but I can't help but think like like, man, would I like, man, would I like, man, would I be Moses? I just can't imagine when I be Moses? I just can't imagine when I be Moses? I just can't imagine when I see a fight outside of my work, I see a fight outside of my work, I see a fight outside of my work, I everyone else is like, "Let's call everyone else is like, "Let's call everyone else is like, "Let's call someone." I'm like, "I'm going to go and someone." I'm like, "I'm going to go and someone." I'm like, "I'm going to go and I get them to stop fighting." Cuz I just I get them to stop fighting." Cuz I just I get them to stop fighting." Cuz I just can't stand by. It just is something can't stand by. It just is something can't stand by. It just is something that is like that is like that is like built in me. built in me. built in me. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you know what? >> And you know what? >> And you know what? So be it. So be it. So be it. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Well, and to encourage you though, like >> Well, and to encourage you though, like >> Well, and to encourage you though, like there's a place for righteous anger and there's a place for righteous anger and there's a place for righteous anger and we see that even in this story like God we see that even in this story like God we see that even in this story like God burns burns burns >> It's a hot take. >> It's a hot take. >> It's a hot take. >> with anger at injustice. >> with anger at injustice. >> with anger at injustice. God is not passive. He's not like, God is not passive. He's not like, God is not passive. He's not like, okay, like, you know, I think it's okay, like, you know, I think it's okay, like, you know, I think it's important for us to remember that cuz important for us to remember that cuz important for us to remember that cuz cuz sometimes it feels like the justice cuz sometimes it feels like the justice cuz sometimes it feels like the justice perpetuates but like God's heart toward perpetuates but like God's heart toward perpetuates but like God's heart toward justice is very, very clear, so that's justice is very, very clear, so that's justice is very, very clear, so that's good.

good. good. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's a really interesting I was >> That's a really interesting I was >> That's a really interesting I was talking about this with my mentor the talking about this with my mentor the talking about this with my mentor the other day like that [clears throat] other day like that [clears throat] other day like that [clears throat] I feel like I try to live my life pretty I feel like I try to live my life pretty I feel like I try to live my life pretty balanced often and be like balanced often and be like balanced often and be like you know you know you know very Thanos ask of like everything's very Thanos ask of like everything's very Thanos ask of like everything's [laughter] perfectly balanced of like [laughter] perfectly balanced of like [laughter] perfectly balanced of like and that's the way to life and that's and that's the way to life and that's and that's the way to life and that's how Jesus was and like but he he was how Jesus was and like but he he was how Jesus was and like but he he was like hot and cold at times and like like hot and cold at times and like like hot and cold at times and like I think the safer route outing myself is I think the safer route outing myself is I think the safer route outing myself is like to just have more of a balanced like to just have more of a balanced like to just have more of a balanced approach or to like only lean on one approach or to like only lean on one approach or to like only lean on one side or the other cuz it's more control side or the other cuz it's more control side or the other cuz it's more control in that way where you're like I'm in that way where you're like I'm in that way where you're like I'm sticking like this is my stake in the sticking like this is my stake in the sticking like this is my stake in the ground is I'm being this kind of person ground is I'm being this kind of person ground is I'm being this kind of person but like there's nuance but like there's nuance but like there's nuance in moments of injustice where it's like in moments of injustice where it's like in moments of injustice where it's like you got to be spirit-led and know what's you got to be spirit-led and know what's you got to be spirit-led and know what's like what does this moment call for and like what does this moment call for and like what does this moment call for and like cuz I can just be so like okay well like cuz I can just be so like okay well like cuz I can just be so like okay well let's just like think about this for a let's just like think about this for a let's just like think about this for a long time and not jump in not pull back long time and not jump in not pull back long time and not jump in not pull back and but Jesus it's like there was times and but Jesus it's like there was times and but Jesus it's like there was times where he rushed in he's flipping tables where he rushed in he's flipping tables where he rushed in he's flipping tables and there's other times where he's like and there's other times where he's like and there's other times where he's like I need to go pray on a mountainside or I need to go pray on a mountainside or I need to go pray on a mountainside or like I'm going to let these people deal like I'm going to let these people deal like I'm going to let these people deal with this and with this and with this and so it's convicting for me that like you so it's convicting for me that like you so it's convicting for me that like you got you got to be spirit-led to know got you got to be spirit-led to know got you got to be spirit-led to know what to do in the moment and not just what to do in the moment and not just what to do in the moment and not just lean on what's like well no I'm this lean on what's like well no I'm this lean on what's like well no I'm this kind of person so I always do this in kind of person so I always do this in kind of person so I always do this in this moment this moment this moment >> I can't imagine how much injustice Moses >> I can't imagine how much injustice Moses >> I can't imagine how much injustice Moses has already experienced up to that has already experienced up to that has already experienced up to that moment like he's older at this point so moment like he's older at this point so moment like he's older at this point so it's like he might have just had a it's like he might have just had a it's like he might have just had a moment that's like snap you know moment that's like snap you know moment that's like snap you know >> My confession is I'm probably more >> My confession is I'm probably more >> My confession is I'm probably more similar to you Chris where like I see similar to you Chris where like I see similar to you Chris where like I see injustice and

injustice and injustice and I I I I still can do that I I I I still can do that I I I I still can do that self-calculation of what's this going to self-calculation of what's this going to self-calculation of what's this going to cost me cost me cost me and I wish that wasn't necessarily my and I wish that wasn't necessarily my and I wish that wasn't necessarily my initial response but I think there's a initial response but I think there's a initial response but I think there's a part of me that always is calculating part of me that always is calculating part of me that always is calculating like like like should I what's it going to cost me and should I what's it going to cost me and should I what's it going to cost me and it's like man I just think sometimes it's like man I just think sometimes it's like man I just think sometimes that keeps me from stepping into things that keeps me from stepping into things that keeps me from stepping into things where God has called me to where God has called me to where God has called me to right a wrong you know or to right a right a wrong you know or to right a right a wrong you know or to right a wrong more quickly so wrong more quickly so wrong more quickly so >> Yeah that's good I really like to see >> Yeah that's good I really like to see >> Yeah that's good I really like to see myself as a princess of peace myself as a princess of peace myself as a princess of peace and I you are a [laughter] Thanks guys Thanks guys >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> and I think most times, but when I feel >> and I think most times, but when I feel >> and I think most times, but when I feel anger, anger, anger, I'm just like, this doesn't feel safe I'm just like, this doesn't feel safe I'm just like, this doesn't feel safe because I don't want to be impulsive. because I don't want to be impulsive. because I don't want to be impulsive. But then also, like you were saying, I But then also, like you were saying, I But then also, like you were saying, I think think think like the character of God, like he is like the character of God, like he is like the character of God, like he is just. And I think and like that's not just. And I think and like that's not just. And I think and like that's not always safe, you know? always safe, you know? always safe, you know? >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> In Exodus, you know, it talks about God >> In Exodus, you know, it talks about God >> In Exodus, you know, it talks about God hearing the cries of his people. And I hearing the cries of his people. And I hearing the cries of his people. And I think like what whether you're think like what whether you're think like what whether you're experiencing injustice or if you're just experiencing injustice or if you're just experiencing injustice or if you're just in a place of suffering or difficulty, in a place of suffering or difficulty, in a place of suffering or difficulty, it it it there is something in you that wants to there is something in you that wants to there is something in you that wants to cry [snorts] out. And so I wonder, what cry [snorts] out. And so I wonder, what cry [snorts] out. And so I wonder, what have you learned, um what practices or have you learned, um what practices or have you learned, um what practices or even they're clumsy, like hey, I I try even they're clumsy, like hey, I I try even they're clumsy, like hey, I I try I'm trying this, I don't know if it's I'm trying this, I don't know if it's I'm trying this, I don't know if it's perfect. What have you learned helps you perfect. What have you learned helps you perfect. What have you learned helps you stay engaged with God when you're in a stay engaged with God when you're in a stay engaged with God when you're in a place of difficulty?

place of difficulty? place of difficulty? I may have I may have said this before, I may have I may have said this before, I may have I may have said this before, I have learned that when I the way that I have learned that when I the way that I have learned that when I the way that I carry stress and even the way that I I carry stress and even the way that I I carry stress and even the way that I carry anger, carry anger, carry anger, I need to move I need to move I need to move in order to express it. in order to express it. in order to express it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, for me, if I'm in a place like that, >> So, for me, if I'm in a place like that, >> So, for me, if I'm in a place like that, it is really helpful for me to walk and it is really helpful for me to walk and it is really helpful for me to walk and talk to God. Not just get on my knees or talk to God. Not just get on my knees or talk to God. Not just get on my knees or be quiet, but like actually move. And be quiet, but like actually move. And be quiet, but like actually move. And sometimes I'm yelling at God. Sometimes sometimes I'm yelling at God. Sometimes sometimes I'm yelling at God. Sometimes I'm just screaming. Sometimes I'm just I'm just screaming. Sometimes I'm just I'm just screaming. Sometimes I'm just whatever, but I need to whatever, but I need to whatever, but I need to let it out let it out let it out and let it dissipate to the point where and let it dissipate to the point where and let it dissipate to the point where then I can have wiser then I can have wiser then I can have wiser better grounded responses to the better grounded responses to the better grounded responses to the situation. situation. situation. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I think I have to take >> Yeah, I think I have to take >> Yeah, I think I have to take literal inventory of all the things literal inventory of all the things literal inventory of all the things I feel like are working against me. Like I feel like are working against me. Like I feel like are working against me. Like I feel like I doubt I feel like I doubt I feel like I doubt the Lord and and his purposes for me. the Lord and and his purposes for me. the Lord and and his purposes for me. Like I have heard Like I have heard Like I have heard um from God, not audibly, but through um from God, not audibly, but through um from God, not audibly, but through circumstances and scripture, like, this circumstances and scripture, like, this circumstances and scripture, like, this is where I'm taking you. And I'm like, is where I'm taking you. And I'm like, is where I'm taking you. And I'm like, okay, I believe in that, I hope in that. okay, I believe in that, I hope in that. okay, I believe in that, I hope in that. And then I doubt when I don't get enough And then I doubt when I don't get enough And then I doubt when I don't get enough sleep, when something bad happens at sleep, when something bad happens at sleep, when something bad happens at work, when a friend is mean to me. And work, when a friend is mean to me. And work, when a friend is mean to me. And then it's like usually all within 48 then it's like usually all within 48 then it's like usually all within 48 hours and you're like hours and you're like hours and you're like And then you just start acting out and And then you just start acting out and And then you just start acting out and and I think taking inventory and being and I think taking inventory and being and I think taking inventory and being like, "Oh, like, "Oh, like, "Oh, all of these things are it's kind of all of these things are it's kind of all of these things are it's kind of like an equation like this plus this like an equation like this plus this like an equation like this plus this times this equals a negative version of times this equals a negative version of times this equals a negative version of of me that is doubting and angry or of me that is doubting and angry or of me that is doubting and angry or whatever." And when I can kind of lay it

whatever." And when I can kind of lay it whatever." And when I can kind of lay it all out and all out and all out and um um um make it feel more real why I'm feeling make it feel more real why I'm feeling make it feel more real why I'm feeling that way and almost validate it and take that way and almost validate it and take that way and almost validate it and take it to the Lord and just it to the Lord and just it to the Lord and just be on my knees and say, "God, I need you be on my knees and say, "God, I need you be on my knees and say, "God, I need you to do this cuz I can't get out of this to do this cuz I can't get out of this to do this cuz I can't get out of this funk on my own." And then it's like funk on my own." And then it's like funk on my own." And then it's like each morning is new. each morning is new. each morning is new. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that is a real thing. Like every >> And that is a real thing. Like every >> And that is a real thing. Like every morning is is new and so I morning is is new and so I morning is is new and so I >> new. >> new. >> new. >> Um >> Um >> Um I believe that. I believe that. I believe that. >> Yeah, I think similarly mine is >> Yeah, I think similarly mine is >> Yeah, I think similarly mine is isolation. It's it's feels so easy isolation. It's it's feels so easy isolation. It's it's feels so easy when there's chaos and when there's chaos and when there's chaos and yeah, it's just not always fruitful for yeah, it's just not always fruitful for yeah, it's just not always fruitful for me to be isolated, so. me to be isolated, so. me to be isolated, so. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um I'm going to I'm going to leave you Um I'm going to I'm going to leave you Um I'm going to I'm going to leave you this thought cuz this this there's a this thought cuz this this there's a this thought cuz this this there's a verse at the end of Exodus 2 that um verse at the end of Exodus 2 that um verse at the end of Exodus 2 that um really hit me powerfully on my first really hit me powerfully on my first really hit me powerfully on my first trip to India. I've only been to India trip to India. I've only been to India trip to India. I've only been to India one time. So, on my trip to India one time. So, on my trip to India one time. So, on my trip to India >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> we're going to India for um the work >> we're going to India for um the work >> we're going to India for um the work that Crossroads still is a part of there that Crossroads still is a part of there that Crossroads still is a part of there helping, you know, rescue people and helping, you know, rescue people and helping, you know, rescue people and from forced slavery and even forced from forced slavery and even forced from forced slavery and even forced prostitution. And I remember as we were prostitution. And I remember as we were prostitution. And I remember as we were flying, it was a night time, we're on flying, it was a night time, we're on flying, it was a night time, we're on the flight, we're about to be landing in the flight, we're about to be landing in the flight, we're about to be landing in Mumbai. And I just remember this Mumbai. And I just remember this Mumbai. And I just remember this heaviness coming over me and I was just heaviness coming over me and I was just heaviness coming over me and I was just like, "God, why?

like, "God, why? like, "God, why? Why do you allow this injustice?" Like Why do you allow this injustice?" Like Why do you allow this injustice?" Like all these these are kids. Like and I was all these these are kids. Like and I was all these these are kids. Like and I was really in the plane wrestling with what really in the plane wrestling with what really in the plane wrestling with what we were about to experience. And Exodus we were about to experience. And Exodus we were about to experience. And Exodus 2:24 came to mind. I want to read it to 2:24 came to mind. I want to read it to 2:24 came to mind. I want to read it to you. It says, "And God heard their you. It says, "And God heard their you. It says, "And God heard their groaning groaning groaning and God remembered his covenant with and God remembered his covenant with and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob God Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob God Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob God saw of people of Israel, and God knew. saw of people of Israel, and God knew. saw of people of Israel, and God knew. And the thing that God really struck me And the thing that God really struck me And the thing that God really struck me with, and I think this is important if with, and I think this is important if with, and I think this is important if you're in a place of suffering, all you're in a place of suffering, all you're in a place of suffering, all those verbs, God hears the cries of the those verbs, God hears the cries of the those verbs, God hears the cries of the suffering. He remembers the commitment suffering. He remembers the commitment suffering. He remembers the commitment he has. he has. he has. He sees He sees He sees and he knows. and he knows. and he knows. And man, for me, that helped lower my And man, for me, that helped lower my And man, for me, that helped lower my temperature, and I pray that that can temperature, and I pray that that can temperature, and I pray that that can lower your temperature. If you're in a lower your temperature. If you're in a lower your temperature. If you're in a place of suffering or struggle today to place of suffering or struggle today to place of suffering or struggle today to know that the God of the universe sees know that the God of the universe sees know that the God of the universe sees you, he hears you, he remembers you, and you, he hears you, he remembers you, and you, he hears you, he remembers you, and he knows you.